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  • Immortal Empires approaches and so too do some new features for Total War: Warhammer 3! End game scenarios will likely get you dead...
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ความคิดเห็น • 579

  • @michaeldunkerton3805
    @michaeldunkerton3805 2 ปีที่แล้ว +502

    Its good to see that the crisis armies seem inclined to fan out instead of all moving around together...

    • @CornRecords972
      @CornRecords972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      just that detail will make it less frustrating than the chaos invasion

    • @高若嵩-t6r
      @高若嵩-t6r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      @@CornRecords972 Normal people: "it's so annoying when they bunch 20 armies together"
      Cheese masters: "oh boi, I can just kill all their leaders and end the entire invasion on the turn they spawn!"

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@高若嵩-t6r maybe they're fanning the crisis out to give a middle finger to cheesers, i would

    • @easytooner55
      @easytooner55 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@amandag.6186 with all the ai cheating in these games, I dont blame people for wantin to cheese the ai sometimes

    • @RimshotKiller
      @RimshotKiller 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@高若嵩-t6r When you played as Alith Anar and placed 3 ritual assassin heroes in their spawn location beforehand
      :Chaos Invasion what?

  • @AedFuidan
    @AedFuidan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +245

    Cool fact: Battles on frozen rivers or lakes did in fact occur. Famously the "Battle on the ice" where the Republic of Novgorod fought the Teutonic Knights. Turns out even if it's a bit slippery large flat grounds to maneuver are still nice!

    • @Larow17
      @Larow17 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Also, french cavalery once captured dutch warships by charging them over frozen water

    • @Nick154999
      @Nick154999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Larow17 How do you charge a warship, i doubt a warship is afraid to get hit by a horse or a spear

    • @dannickgiroux1269
      @dannickgiroux1269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@Nick154999 Hit and run tactics + cycle charging obviously

    • @krixpop
      @krixpop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Nick154999
      How to charge a warship ?
      Phart in their general direction !
      And slurs, lots of shouted slurs with a serious composure, like you mean it !
      Of course, one can use Chasseurs à Cheval and Horse Artillery but that would be overkill ...

    • @shi77e20
      @shi77e20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      and the dutch would outfit their military with ice skates

  • @richardshiflett5181
    @richardshiflett5181 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    The modding community is gonna go crazy with these endgame and midgame scenarios.

  • @rubz1390
    @rubz1390 2 ปีที่แล้ว +810

    Lack of Chaos and Skaven end game scenarios is kinda weird, since they are literally the world ending forces. Especially Skaven, who outnumber even the Undead and Greenskins. It's weird that these 2 are omitted, when Dwarfs of all get a endgame scenario. I mean they are barely surviving and struggling to regain their old holds.

    • @Sivart343
      @Sivart343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +234

      Literally can just title them "Vermintide" and "The End Times" too.

    • @TheBLITZCRAFT
      @TheBLITZCRAFT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +206

      Gives me hope that we will get an end times scenario in the future. Thats the only reason i can think of why they have left chaos and the skaven out of this.

    • @MelficeN7
      @MelficeN7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +112

      Maybe skaven get their one with a verminlord dlc

    • @amandag.6186
      @amandag.6186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +105

      They'll probably come back to it later and add more scenarios. It will just be in it's infancy stage

    • @undertakernumberone1
      @undertakernumberone1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Consideringwe have a Dwarf End Game Scenario, there should be a Empire/Bretonnia one as well.

  • @schippes24
    @schippes24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +349

    I think it's fine to give the player a lead with the short/long objectives.. It also gives the devs the opportunity to bring some lore in. So I'm all up for a "don't do whatever you like and win with that" objective. These new objectives seem pretty nice

    • @HH-hd7nd
      @HH-hd7nd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      What I like is that the longer campaigns include the short campaign goals as victory conditions - so each time you achieve a victory you can decide if you're done with that campaign or go on for the next level.

    • @axelt6312
      @axelt6312 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is nothing news, this is just the classic total war victory goal

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@axelt6312 Yep. CA bringing back old features and advertising it as new is a classic strategy lol

    • @maartent9697
      @maartent9697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would be nice if they made the objectives and sub-objectives heavily lore focused, just an objective overhaul or create a mission tree giving bonusses to the lords army or global faction bonus/specific unit bonus/building bonus as rewards. SEGA is on a good way making the game better with each update, we should thank the active community that is currently testing and giving advice to SEGA as well!

    • @Marcusianery
      @Marcusianery 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Give us the options to do both.

  • @Nozomivamp
    @Nozomivamp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    i wonder what will happen if you're allied with one of the factions that becomes the endgame disaster, like do they immediately declare war on you or do you stay allied with them? or if your playing as a faction that becomes the disaster and you haven't confederated all the lords yet do you just lose those lords because you have to declare war to finish the game?

    • @TacticalProjectGaming
      @TacticalProjectGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      this

    • @stephencronin1080
      @stephencronin1080 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think the end game fabric will be a new npc one with generic Lords.

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@stephencronin1080 No it won't. It's using pre-existing factions for each Legendary Lord. Watch the vid.

    • @JayvH
      @JayvH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's also the first question that came to my mind.

    • @slaaneshshewhothirst9136
      @slaaneshshewhothirst9136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Playing as one of these factions will probably make that scenario not available. For the alliance one, I feel that it will break your alliance with the one who happens to be part of the scenario.

  • @childoftheeternalsky2382
    @childoftheeternalsky2382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    Gotta say it's pretty cool a feature. Just can't wait for the skaven one. It made me think they might link it with an upcoming thanquol dlc, Alla vermintide. By the way the new campaign ending goals are so good.

    • @dan7564
      @dan7564 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wheres the chaos one? Is the chaos invasion still a thing or t's own thing you can have alongside these?

    • @childoftheeternalsky2382
      @childoftheeternalsky2382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dan7564 funnily there's no chaos invasion so far too

    • @dan7564
      @dan7564 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@childoftheeternalsky2382 Makes me wonder if they have grander Ambitions that they want to do properly so they don't double handle. Norsca rework will be next, maybe with that they will do a full scale chaos invasion, maybe even incorporating the chaos realms. You'd think the Skaven were complete enough to do a vermintide, but again perhaps they want the time to give it special mechanics. However, they did the Vampires and you'd think they'd do it properly with Nagash? There's no cross species yet which means the Vampire coast don't trigger with the counts, maybe waiting for legions to unite the undead. And also no official order tide. I mean, why the dwarfs? Why not the empire and Kislev with them?

    • @childoftheeternalsky2382
      @childoftheeternalsky2382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dan7564 dawi left me shocked too. Who knows one thing for sure they LL add more . I really want skaven and chaos soon tho.

    • @slaaneshshewhothirst9136
      @slaaneshshewhothirst9136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dan7564 i mean to be fair, the chaos invasion of old cannot happen. Most of the legendary lords from Chaos (if not all) will all be there already. While it sounds fun, Just imagine the number of armies you are gonna deal with if it is made like the other scenario… Since that scenario will probably give armies to all of the Chaos faction meaning you will be in a war on all fronts ( imagine a combined legion of all of the Monogod armies + the deamon prince + All of the Chaos undivided LL armies + The Norscan armies). Unless you have unlimited funds, and a massive amount of armies and defence, it’s probably going to be extremely hard to beat it…

  • @kjades8788
    @kjades8788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    This reminds me of Stellaris' endgame crisis mechanic...
    Nice touch.

    • @thorstenfinke2751
      @thorstenfinke2751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      yeah i think they copied paradox homework there. But i aint mad about it ;)

    • @mikabakker1
      @mikabakker1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yea it works really well to fix endgame bcs, it used to be really boring just slowly capturing all settlements

    • @kjades8788
      @kjades8788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, it kinda fixes the mid-late game challenge issue that titles like these seem to suffer a lot from...
      Let's cross our fingers.

    • @jtowensbyiii6018
      @jtowensbyiii6018 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is just giving us control over when and where it happens, it's not a new feature just new controls over the feature

    • @dnietsche-f
      @dnietsche-f 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      MUGANI? HAK HAK HAK!

  • @Ultimafire1258
    @Ultimafire1258 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I kinda hope that with the end game crisis it can end up more personalized for lack of a better term.
    Like if you're an order faction, the Dwarf Crisis wont auto war you, or hell maybe make it so if the Orc crisis happens and if you are losing, the Dwafs get a mini version of their crisis to help out.

    • @ThaLedg
      @ThaLedg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can also disable certain Endgame scenarios
      So while it is a small extra step, you can make the Endgame Lore friendly

    • @Kimbie
      @Kimbie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's probably an auto-declared war even if you're an order faction. Just turn it off if you think your campaign will involve allying with them, because it'd kind of suck... or don't, if you're a masochist.

    • @TheInnerstrife
      @TheInnerstrife 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      eh i mean most of the time they are killing each other. Only 20% of the time are they actually fighting chaos.

    • @kiryukazuma8089
      @kiryukazuma8089 ปีที่แล้ว

      THE DAWI TIDE COMES TO AIDE YOU

  • @mastery7901
    @mastery7901 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Bro, the Southlands bowl just got more intense with the Black Pyramid end game event at an early turn.

  • @wolferegalia
    @wolferegalia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I'm more hyped for IE than I was when WH3 released.

    • @mmorkinism
      @mmorkinism 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Those 2 are not even close to one another.

    • @alext1352
      @alext1352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ie is what everyone (myself included) were expecting for wh3, no one expected (nor wanted) the realms of chaos campaign

    • @Robotron56
      @Robotron56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@alext1352 ... everyone expected the realm of chaos campaign, mortal empires wasnt at launch for tww2 either.

    • @alext1352
      @alext1352 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Robotron56 I'm pretty sure most people would agree that IE should've come at launch.

    • @Robotron56
      @Robotron56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alext1352 maybe, but noone expected it. Especially pre launch

  • @M0DIDDLY
    @M0DIDDLY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    Something I hope is added if it doesn't already exist with the end game scenarios is for an option to have them occur multiple times. After beating the chaos invasion the game just feels over, and having them just keep occuring every x amount of turns is something I'd be interested in

    • @shyvini4026
      @shyvini4026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I hope we get one for every faction.

    • @manuelsoto94
      @manuelsoto94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      End times endgame scenario maybe?

    • @KyleWB1989
      @KyleWB1989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had a chaos invasion happen twice on my IE campaign in Warhammer 2 so I think it's already a thing. Not sure if you can set the amount of turns between each one yet though.

    • @karacox6979
      @karacox6979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Im pretty sure the factions boosted by the scenario do continue pumping out super stacks as long as theyre alive. Info taken from MilkandCookies Vid today

    • @HighRevolver
      @HighRevolver 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KyleWB1989 there were multiple waves for the chaos invasion in Mortal Empires

  • @GamblingGator
    @GamblingGator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Imagine being Settra and seeing Nagash come out his pyramid, he must be overjoyed to be able to try and kill him.

  • @ScottLufkin
    @ScottLufkin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    RE: That sand swept map you didn't like - I actually prefer the new version, and I think it's the sky that's selling me on it. It's darker and might make the units and spells pop more (maybe) but mostly I love the horizon views and skybox.

    • @Pawn2e4
      @Pawn2e4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I like both. Would honestly be nice if both were in the game, more variety is better

    • @l.m.srensen4559
      @l.m.srensen4559 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like new one best as well

  • @90snetworkproductions79
    @90snetworkproductions79 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At this point, I’m sure there’s an endgame scenario for every faction.
    Dwarven Second coming, Waagh of Waaghs, Mankind crusade, Elven crusade, Dark Elf purge, Skaven plague-armies, warp-extermination armies, Lizardmen purge armies, (canon) Vampire ascension, Warpstorm armies, Tomb King second coming, Nagash crusade, and so many more.

  • @PhilosophicallyAmerican
    @PhilosophicallyAmerican 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The fact that there is a dwarf endgame scenario but not a Skaven one is..... interesting.

    • @voodoodummie
      @voodoodummie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      That-That is a Grudge-Grievance! Write-Read that in Book-thing!

  • @zimtwiers9726
    @zimtwiers9726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Sounds fun, hope all others get a option as well:
    Empire: Elector counts asembled!
    Lizardmen: The great planned Purge
    Brettonia: Lady of the World
    H.Elves: Nobles rule the world
    Coast: Get ALL the treasure
    Khemri: Tomb World
    D.Elves: Enslaving the world
    Ogres: World hunger
    Probably missed a decent amount

    • @blaat44
      @blaat44 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The tomb kings already have one though. Cool thing is that the flavor text mentions that Nagash has risen and that's why all those armies appear.

    • @mattiamoro1988
      @mattiamoro1988 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think i would prefer if they combined some races togheter for variety's sake.
      examples:
      The Age of men: Empire+Bret+Kislev+Cathay
      Absolute Order: High Elves+Lizardmen
      Depravity Unveiled: Dark Elves + Slaanesh marked Chaos
      Slaughter and Karnage: Khorne+Greenskins+Ogres
      Fighting 5+ full stacks a turn of the same race gets tiring no matter what race it is

    • @Guisherobest
      @Guisherobest 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattiamoro1988 that's actually a good idea

  • @danhaas9730
    @danhaas9730 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    My biggest question for the end-hand scenarios is do those factions automatically declare war on you? If you’re playing as Thorgim, do all the other dwarf factions declare war on you when the dwarven end-game scenario occurs? Can you even have a Dwarven end-game scenario if you’re playing a Dwarven campaign?

    • @childoftheeternalsky2382
      @childoftheeternalsky2382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This

    • @thegethconsensus393
      @thegethconsensus393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Same goes for The Empire. If I’m playing The Empire and my dwarven allies turn on me for no reason I’d be very annoyed.

    • @DarkOfTheMist
      @DarkOfTheMist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      They will almost 100% declare war on you. I think that they wanted an order faction end-game when you play a chaos faction.
      If you do play Empire or Dwarves you can always just turn it off

    • @tajmonrvnge3483
      @tajmonrvnge3483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@thegethconsensus393 You could just uncheck the Dwarf endgame scenario right at the beginning if you don't want it to happen.

    • @thegethconsensus393
      @thegethconsensus393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@tajmonrvnge3483 True enough. I was just saying that it would suck if I forgot too.

  • @Twilight5007
    @Twilight5007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That wood elf end game scenario sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

    • @botep5529
      @botep5529 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm dealing with it right now and it's awful. Drycha came back from the dead but I put her down again. I was allied with Orion for most the game but now I'm at war with him. He just took helmgart and are spilling into reikland. Luckily gelt and Franz are standing by ready to defend

  • @BeeWaifu
    @BeeWaifu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm getting Mongol and Timurid invasion PTSD.

  • @nakenmil
    @nakenmil 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    - Adds nighttime map.
    - Still no bloody moon.

  • @medli7725
    @medli7725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:30 Turin's Volkmar stream proved that factions that have been defeated *do* come back with the end game event. So if you're playing Malekith, wiped out Grombrindal early, and then moved on and left your whole homeland undefended when the Dwarfs come back... You're gonna have a bad time.

  • @anamericangrizzlybear8315
    @anamericangrizzlybear8315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bro, this has so much potential, when Nagash comes he HAS to have an option involving this mechanic from Nagashizaar

  • @Olav_Hansen
    @Olav_Hansen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    6:20 take out eataine...
    If you don't rush it before turn 50, taking out eataine is the same as taking out the entire high elves. I am not sure how to feel about that.

  • @Noobformer
    @Noobformer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It looks like all maps look better to me, even the desert one you mentioned. Overall Wh 3 did something to light/shadows that makes it look much less washed out then wh 2. The shadows also got an artistic touch on coulor, something you rarely see in this kind of games.

  • @nielsviax5964
    @nielsviax5964 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I hope that one day when it comes to environment changes, they can finally make trees vulnerable to Artillery or fire.

    • @serax126
      @serax126 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      All I can think of is the lag if that were to happen

    • @MrEddieLomax
      @MrEddieLomax 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@serax126 You could dial it up/down, a simple result where an area became burnt tree's, or a complex one with raging fires that hogs the CPU.

  • @pppppffffffmmmmmmmnn
    @pppppffffffmmmmmmmnn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I just want them to reduce the player bias. Stop making everyone laser focus you. The AI should be attacking the rest of the world too

    • @20storiesunder
      @20storiesunder 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha I want the opposite, campaign is so wildly passive

    • @jakegray1723
      @jakegray1723 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Outside of Legendary, it's all pretty passive usually, except for Legendary, where everyone is watching you (they also don't like *you* specifically)

    • @20storiesunder
      @20storiesunder 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakegray1723 May have to try legendary then. I dislike that it removes some quality of life features

  • @SusaVile
    @SusaVile 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing I kinda dislike about the endgame scenarios is they are pretty localized for now.
    None has any influence in Lustria, for example; Cathay is also quite away, only the Waagh one (Grimgor) and Vampire one (Ghorst); Naggarond only has the Dwarf and Wood elf one.
    If they add more, like a Chaos and Skaven, or even Dark elf one, then all areas are truly covered.

    • @Shidan174
      @Shidan174 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm really shocked there is not a Chaos or Skaven one. Those are two of the most plausible end game scenario factions (the other being Greenskins), and they didn't get any. Seems odd.
      Dark Elf doesn't quite fit as well imo, but I'd put it on the same level as the Wood Elves, Dwarfs, and Tomb Kings, so I'd be down for it.

  • @ApsisApocynthion
    @ApsisApocynthion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think I will be turning off the end game scenarios. I enjoy running a large empire and don't usually get bored till after turn 300. By that point, I'm not sure an endless wave of copy and paste land battles against generic lords is going to change that. What keeps things interesting in the late game is the diplomatic stuff. Old friends become enemies and old enemies become friends.
    If you put it on early, then you're not doing sandbox at all at that point. It just takes over the game and then by the time it's over, you're left with a lv50 lord and very little territory so you're just going to either faceroll everything after that or die to multiple AI with 80+ settlements, which were basically gifted to them.
    Overall, I find these scenarios just lazy. The game is plenty hard enough already on legendary and if you want to make it harder just do a TTW campaign. Spawning generic armies everywhere has always been tedious and unfun. Instead, CA should look into other ways of making late campaigns interesting. Imagine a GoT (early seasons) style late game. A sudden event could force a peace treaty with your biggest rival. Meanwhile one of your lv45 lords creates a rebellion and takes 3 complete provinces. Then becomes a vassal of your top ally so you cant even reclaim the territory right away and this causes tension over time. This would be so much more interesting because it plays around with the tools the player is actually invested in. Killing generic armies over and over again has no emotional depth to it.

    • @edwardsantiago9109
      @edwardsantiago9109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hear you, but control is key. Suddenly losing land you had zero control over is rage inducing, a bunch of armies comes knocking on your doorstep might lead to diplomacy anyway as you suddenly have to pull forces from whatever front you have, possibly white peace (blasphemy!), And unlikely allies can form. It depends on AI intelligence first and foremost. Fortunately/Unfortunately, Total War is not a Paradox game, and has never really been about huge interconnected webs of intrigue and diplomacy. What you described is why I play CK3, but not why I play Total War

    • @lynx-eyed9426
      @lynx-eyed9426 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As someone who has 2600 hours across warhammer 1 and 2 and only plays on Very Hard... there is ALWAYS massive doomtide/s to deal with already so this option I find redundant.

    • @Benthesniperof8
      @Benthesniperof8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lynx-eyed9426 IE AI empires are very skittish.
      According to multiple creators I watch, largest ai empire seen by turn 75 has been 13 settlements.
      On legend difficulty its the same.
      Doomtide ai empires are likely not a thing in IE as of the current build.

    • @lynx-eyed9426
      @lynx-eyed9426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Benthesniperof8 Yes I have been following Indy and Legend... it is disheartening

  • @lonk9183
    @lonk9183 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I’m curious as to how victory conditions work with multiplayer? Especially head-to-head, does the player with the easiest conditions just get the advantage in that scenario?

    • @poyloos4834
      @poyloos4834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I feel like there’ll be mp victory conditions that are separate. And let’s be real, even if they aren’t different, who on earth plays a whole mp campaign through to the end?

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@poyloos4834 I would certainly like to. Especially if these victory conditions are in place. Immortal Empires with 8 players is gonna be the ultimate multi campaign lol.

  • @slapmywilly
    @slapmywilly 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Zerkovitch The Daytime Altdorf map u remember is the Quest map for the grand theologist when he fights the Ulrich worshipers.

  • @central652
    @central652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    two questions
    1.what happens if you only allow the endgame scenario of the race that you yourself play as and you confederate all the other LL's of that race? do the armies go to a non legendary lord or will there simply be no end game scenario?
    2. do all the engame scenarios auto declare war on you even if you are allied with them when the event triggers?

    • @ludwig-alice
      @ludwig-alice 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah that are the first questions that comes in everyones mind when you hear about that, yet none of the Content Partners answered that yet

  • @InternetMameluq
    @InternetMameluq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:50: 'Short campaign': stop armegeddon. which happens at the end of everything ever.
    How is that any shorter than the longest victory.
    But glass half full: these new conditions are almost exactly what I wanted in excessive detail... the only single comment I have that is not validating the addition for how vain it would be, is that ideally the 'endgame' scenarios aren't arbitrary, but rather when the ascension of a certain race happens on the map, the endgame scenario triggers. For example the Greentide happens if the Greenskin factions unite, and dominate their home region, then bonus armies spawn and begin the Greentide scenario. Same thing with Vermintide/Endtimes/Undead.
    Also I think that both flavours of Undead should be one scenario, not two.

  • @samarkand1585
    @samarkand1585 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:54 Settra must be like "oh come on! I'm not suffering enough alreacy?"

  • @Hydrakk
    @Hydrakk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder what the endgame scenarios for the other races would be called? I have some ideas listed for names but idk too much. If you guys have any better names or can think of any for other races I'm very curious on your thoughts:
    Skaven: Vermintide/The Horned Rat's Decree
    Lizardmen: The Great Purge/Avenging the Old Ones
    Chaos(All the mono-god races and the WoC): The End Times/Darkest Hour.
    Norsca: The Ice Age Comes.
    Beastmen: Call of Morrslieb.

  • @basedggallin4556
    @basedggallin4556 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually love this addition if these endgame scenarios work in conjuction with the Chaos invasion and they add a Skaven endgame we can have a proper Vermintide

  • @keys6556
    @keys6556 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glacial Lake actually looks like the one you see in the Trailer for Warhammer 1, thats pretty cool

  • @superhumantrueman
    @superhumantrueman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There is no Chaos end scenario?! That seems a little odd.

    • @Eunostos
      @Eunostos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This time around the Chaos Invasion is the default map state (with every lord/champion of chaos in full smash) - and we had them as the horde event last game.

  • @dragonscaleshields
    @dragonscaleshields 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What I've always disliked about total war warhammer is that the AI doesn't play the same game as you - doesn't pay unit upkeep, doesn't properly develop settlements or characters and literally has to cheat in order to beat you rather than work his way from the ground up. It really kills the immersion. Also, they completely did away with the complex settlement wealth systems of the old total war for a much simpler one. Shogun 2 FOTS had such a good settlement building system I don't know why they did away with it.
    What I'm saying is that the wealth of the settlements in warhammer is predetermined and theres no passive growth like in Shogun 2 so you cannot choose which settlements you will sink your money into for development. In warhammer a settlement reaches into maximum potential quite easily and there's nothing you can do to increase that. In Shogun the more money you invest in a settlement the more it grows in terms of wealth and keeps on growing - it leads to absurd levels of disparity in wealth among settlements - settlements which are raided a lot have a measly 600 wealth whereas those that are protected from battles can reach as high as 7000. In warhammer every settlement's wealth is predetermined by it's strategic buildings and resources.

  • @duross101
    @duross101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The grimhammer 3 mod that will come out with this is going to be legendary

  • @iverdaza4221
    @iverdaza4221 ปีที่แล้ว

    the beastmen endgame i think would be terrifying, with many hostile armies worldwide hidden and attacking random locations each time (and the damn high ambush chances).
    Still, would be interesting

  • @Juria1987
    @Juria1987 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That ice lake map...is the last place you wanna be if Kislev comes at you with the bear cav...you slip and get mauled.

  • @Stephen-N
    @Stephen-N 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    one thing i would love is buffs and debuffs for some maps, like the ice lake gives a speed debuff because you cant run as fast over the ice or something like that.

  • @Celadil
    @Celadil 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Im kind of surprised there isnt a skaven one yet, that would have been my favorite for sure!

    • @edwardsantiago9109
      @edwardsantiago9109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm pretty sure Skaven will come. I think it's a tech thing, unlike all the other races (besides maybe the dwarves) Skaven shouldn't be marching across the world in giant death balls, it should be more like undercity explosions and a bunch popping up all over the place in a very sudden strike. Maybe they're waiting for Verminlords

    • @Celadil
      @Celadil 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@edwardsantiago9109 yeah i thought maybe they are waiting for a Hornet Rat dlc or something but still a bit of a bummer for now

  • @ares106
    @ares106 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Back in my day short victory conditions actually meant something….

  • @Connordaboss45
    @Connordaboss45 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Definitely going to be doing the wood elf one on my bretonnian campaigns

  • @SniperLumChannel
    @SniperLumChannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:17 So they added Pavona to ME, maybe as a ruin controlled by Skaven (Queekwell)

  • @theonesithtorulethemall
    @theonesithtorulethemall 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The scave censrio: the warp moon, triggern when playing in lustrya only, removed continent

  • @warlordmegaton8096
    @warlordmegaton8096 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i wonder what the coop victory conditions looks like, since that's what im most looking forward to!

  • @jooseppi4728
    @jooseppi4728 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's actually quite common to fight on lakes in history :D

  • @AnnaelTallithiel
    @AnnaelTallithiel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The lighting on some of the battle maps looks really weird. Except for the shown Mortis Wastes, I've also noticed during my Kislev campaign that the sky sometimes looks like a blown-up nuke. But that's probably nothing the mod community could not take care of.

  • @CommissarMitch
    @CommissarMitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can not wait for a 10 turn full difficulty game.

    • @13g0man
      @13g0man 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Legend will do it as Clan Skyre, and give them a head start too. And still win.

  • @ashardalondragnipurake
    @ashardalondragnipurake 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    damn that western coast is close to the map edge, would have been better with a little extra sea to make it look less squished

  • @gmaillastname8591
    @gmaillastname8591 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't wait for the Armageddon Mod that makes all of the End Game scenarios pop at the same time.

  • @alagass6466
    @alagass6466 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man if they do more O&G releases I'd like to see Black Orcs with dual weapons and Shields. When this video started with Grimgor and his boys behind him part of me was hoping for that... Somehow lol

  • @ahmedkeremsayar
    @ahmedkeremsayar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    imagine enabling end game scenarios for chaos skaven and tombkings but with skaven dlc. true end times experience

  • @DeathEatsCurry
    @DeathEatsCurry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Of all the potential endgame scenarios, I did not expect a Dwarf one. Kind of hope that if they add more, they'll do some thematic mixes as well. Such as Nurgle + Skaven, so you can pretend you're playing Vermintide, or a united elf front.

  • @Fallub
    @Fallub 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now that you showed me the campaign victories, I am finally excited for the game. Such a great change. Thank you.

  • @JustMaxim37
    @JustMaxim37 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    5:14 "its no wonder. Noobody ever finihed their god damn campaigns."
    me with finished campaigns of 4 different races: "hmm yes"

  • @SageOfHeaven
    @SageOfHeaven 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I tried vampiric ascenssion, well Old world was gone in a few turns, except a few areas who managed to hold out.
    I was Tor Yvress, so i had a good view, before they started invading me :P

  • @marcgw496
    @marcgw496 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dwarf end game scenario? Maybe fitting if you’re playing a chaos/evil faction, but it is a bit weird.

    • @jonstalin5992
      @jonstalin5992 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Obviously makes sense to give it to order factions so you get to have fun if your playing as chaos or other evil factions

  • @reedofwater
    @reedofwater 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Zerkovich 11:40 You misspelled "Altar".

  • @bradpitt5355
    @bradpitt5355 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So you tell me: Everyone hates rifts and random spawn of xy armies in the middle of your empire , so they make some endgema that factions spawn 20 arimes in middle of your empire :-)

  • @letsplaysvonaja1714
    @letsplaysvonaja1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be fair, taking out eataine might be synonymous with conquering all of ulthuan, which would be comparable to having to beat up all of norsca, imo

  • @jonesygood
    @jonesygood 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i was hoping that with game 3 when they made immortal empires that all the faction would be able to play the choas ralm mode like we could have seen the empire trying to fight korne in his plane

  • @alpharius4819
    @alpharius4819 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd like to see a endgame scenario for every faction. Like all the lizard men get sick of your shit and decide to kill you. The empire goes on crusade. The ordertide decides to exist. Stuff like that.

  • @KTBX9000
    @KTBX9000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    love this. But we need an option for army cost caps. I rly hate doomstacks.

  • @leadpaintchips9461
    @leadpaintchips9461 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The one thing that I really wished came to Warhammer was how they did characters and armies in 3K. The basic systems in that game were _miles_ ahead for character based settings, and WHF is all about those larger than life characters. You could have strong dueling leaders also give strong buffs to the army and have good army utility. Like from what I've currently seen, Franz has to choose between being good personally in combat, giving his rather diverse army buffs across the board, or have utility bonuses for his army. From what I know of the lore, he was fantastic at all three but we can't do that.

  • @tybaltmarr2158
    @tybaltmarr2158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Weird that the dwarves get an end game horde, and the wood elves too

    • @mmorkinism
      @mmorkinism 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes doesn't make much sense to have "good" faction endgame invasion.

    • @mikabakker1
      @mikabakker1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      think eventually they all get one, lore wise its weird yea but I guess its fun gameplay wise

    • @darkomihajlovski3135
      @darkomihajlovski3135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      evil factions need challenges too you know

  • @demoulius1529
    @demoulius1529 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its nice that they went over some of the older maps so they dont look alot worse then the newer maps.

  • @Stormtrooper990
    @Stormtrooper990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really like the new maps. The color seems to fit better, now it seems like a very forsaken place where no man should go.

  • @peacephan2974
    @peacephan2974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Endgame scenario means certain factions just get a massive military boost? Do they all go after you or are some alliance able?

  • @therighttap6873
    @therighttap6873 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m so glad you took the time to go over these changes. Well done as always man! Definitely helped me understand the scenario mechanics

  • @ORO323
    @ORO323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing that I HATED in wh2 were some of the battlefield maps. In a defensive battle, why the heck would my army place itself downhill? Makes no sense.

  • @ashardalondragnipurake
    @ashardalondragnipurake 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    corruption changed maps in basegame warhammer3
    not as significantly as bjornlings gathering, mostly just background clouds
    but there was change, maybe the snowy one is when in kislev possession with their winter attrition
    there where often several flavors of the same map, usually towns, its cool they are doing something similar for field battles

  • @philosofool
    @philosofool 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For what it's worth, TWW3 had some very flat subterranean maps for your unit test experiments. Might be worth checking those out for them.

  • @sup1602
    @sup1602 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I kinda miss the generated contextual map from the older games. It gave more strategy in placing your armies on the campaign maps.

  • @BartSmoorenburg88
    @BartSmoorenburg88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the sieges of the Warhammer 1 and 2 cities? Could you show those? Altdorf siege, nagarond siege. Just to name a few

  • @mechanicobra
    @mechanicobra 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really do bet they will add more to the EndGame scenarios. Feels almost wrong that there aren't any Chaos scenarios. And with the demon factions all having targets on them from turn 1 having them come back as an endgame threat will probably make them more relevant and scary. Them being locked out if a lord is missing too seems pretty odd. Having them appear in full force outside their original starting point as a rebel army could be a way to bring the defeated LL's bac into the fold.

  • @TheFireFox36
    @TheFireFox36 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the lore explanation of the Bearded tide? The stunty stampede? The half-pint flood?
    They just spring out of holes all them dwarves xD

    • @TheFireFox36
      @TheFireFox36 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Order Tide 2, Thunderer Boogaloo

  • @arkorat3239
    @arkorat3239 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is really cool, tough a part of me really hopes they will be expanded upon them somewhat, not just "oops all the armies". Maybe some extra gimmick attached to shake things up:
    Like; Chaos spawns in a bunch of rifts. While Vampires/Tomb Kings might interact with casualties and great battle sites in some way.

  • @InternetMameluq
    @InternetMameluq 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    9:40: I think that was there before... I don't recall seasonal changes, but I think I noticed time of day changes... but it's been months since I last played TW:WHIII

  • @mikalopes1058
    @mikalopes1058 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    there should be one for each race , and instead of being random there could be trigers , that can choose when , and who are gonna bring the tide

  • @jeambeam3173
    @jeambeam3173 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It be cool for mods to expand on this and let u set different scenarios to be set off at different times and hell even choose which LL's are affected from each scenario

  • @ecargfosreya
    @ecargfosreya 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think they should have it randomization slider as well where you could set A minimum and a maximum. For example, the earliest I could start would be turn 20 and the latest it would start would be turned 100. Also, I’d love to see where you could randomize what the endgame scenario would be so you don’t know what would be in advance

  • @HeraldofNurgle7
    @HeraldofNurgle7 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Need to have a southlands FFA thunderdome with Black Pyramid event spawning turn 10

  • @goshbrindal
    @goshbrindal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fact that battlemaps now have the ability to be in a different season could bring alot to the table. I'd love to see some less snowy Kislev maps.

  • @lluis9650
    @lluis9650 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The endgame scenarios are a fantastic idea, I hope it gets expanded in the future even if it's with dlc to get specific mechanics. Simply spamming a lot of armies is ok but can get old fast. It would be cool to have to conquer a specific crazily defended city, having to do rituals or killing a now overpowered faction leader to deal with the scenarios instead of only killing all the armies.

  • @rodmrc5863
    @rodmrc5863 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the only thing that matters is if they add more damn maps to the empire area, that sigmar statue is worst than the "ogres, my lord" thing

  • @TacticalBeard
    @TacticalBeard 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Going to be wild when some one makes a mod that’s a halfling end game invasion

  • @biggumstevens1784
    @biggumstevens1784 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait wait wait... The black pyrmid scenario...
    Negash is coming

  • @yoshiprime3949
    @yoshiprime3949 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This looks awesome!!! Very exciting!! Having a big challenge near end game when your empire it at its peak will be fantastic!!

  • @d.weltenbummler1535
    @d.weltenbummler1535 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I started a Slaven campaign with Ikit on normal. It felt just too easy and right then the Wild Hunt Szenario was triggered.
    Now I have to deal with 70+ (60 Talsyn + 15 Argwylon) full stacked Wood Elves armies. Now I'm crying and have no clue how to beat them😭

  • @MultiPixelLP
    @MultiPixelLP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fighting battles on icy lakes? Ask the Teutonic Order and Russians about it!

    • @childoftheeternalsky2382
      @childoftheeternalsky2382 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can ask the Russians, I think the warrior monks are tougher to reach at the bottom of the lake lol

  • @chowchow1319
    @chowchow1319 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Concerning maps, I've heard that some maps have corruption visual effects depending on what factions play. I've heard that if you play as Nurgle on Eschen the map will show a bunch of Nurgle corruption for instance.

    • @xanderlaskey2753
      @xanderlaskey2753 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That has been a thing for awhile now

  • @jare3459
    @jare3459 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    weather and Day/Night maps make world feel more alive.

  • @brickdanger8815
    @brickdanger8815 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We need an endgame scenario involving the real boogieman of the warhammer series.... the Ordertide!

  • @yapalskippy1807
    @yapalskippy1807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope we get some narrative campaigns like the lost god.

  • @badrhetoric5637
    @badrhetoric5637 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd like to see a timeline as seen in 3 Kingdoms, it will address the overcrowding and pacing issues. More interesting research that really changes how factions and even individual armies can be customised. Also, grand alliances, orde factions can confederate and you get EVERYTHING for the end times...

  • @TheAzorg
    @TheAzorg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So *that's* why o had problems finishing campaigns in game 2... Well.
    Looking forward to game 3's immortal empires!