I asked a professional now, new blue board has been mapped by oscilloscope for signal: With the new, blue ESC/RX unit it is not possible to use an external ESC. There is no signal on any spot on the board, which could directly be used by an ESC, no matter if brushed or brushless (as many of us did or do in Blade mCPx, NanoCP brushed or Eflite UMX boards). Seems Axial does not want us to use upgrade ESCs.
@@auggysimcity The days of radio shack are well behind us, it sucks. I'm getting very irritated about things like this. The only thing it costs the company is a lot of frustrated customers who, like me, bought the vehicle and furitek esc beforehand. Every other video review or demo I've seen of the furitek ESC never quite explained this odd incompatibility for just this one specific model of the scx24. I don't think I'll ever go near these 2 companies again 😮💨 and certainly not for this kind of money.
I don't really see why it's a big deal. The new setup works amazing and isn't expensive at all compared to aftermarket units. If you want to use an upgrade ESC just buy one of the old V1 units and plug in to that.
All valid points in comments section..I'd suspect that Axial will be making their own step ups of receivers and such with bluetooth etc.. lock the customer into Axial, like Apple does with their products..
I feel like furitek is giving the Oem axial esc a bad reputation.. in a way but also furitek is charging a good bit of $$$ in some cases. I paid 100 cad for Eguana pro.. & don’t forget the brushless kit is 130$US>CAD 164$ 😳 that’s almost a new axial product 😉 see where the problem is…… they are almost piggy backing off axial lol that’s my opinion
Maybe it’s like the rest of the world dealing with a shortage. Maybe they had to outsource new electronics and I think the white jeep is their best seller.
Based on this video there is less noise and possibly a slightly better throttle control. th-cam.com/video/nr8Grl-A9is/w-d-xo.html. Maybe that is why? Awesome video btw 😊
@@bcochener Looks a little bit like the Flysky FS-G4P 4, the new cheapo (www.flysky-cn.com/gt2g-description ), but with foam wheel, carbon style stickers... First I thought, this is like the new Radios of FMS/RocHobby, as for example comes with the 1/12 Willys Jeep. But checked it, no... looks similar, but the Willys radio is much, much smaller. Finally I ordered a new SCX24 Jeep today only to check the new electronics - even if I probably will not use those ;-)
This is actually pretty funny timing, a Reddit thread started on this very topic like 4 hours after you posted this video. IMO the v2 ESC is SO MUCH BETTER than the v1 that the lack of easy ESC drop-in is an acceptable trade-off. Now you already get very solid low speed torque and I suspect that dropping a MofoRC Torquebeast 2 or Injora 66T will provide a proportionally MUCH cheaper, satisfying upgrade than having to buy either that same motor+Lizard or brushless+lizard. I also suspect they'll continue to offer the V1; so far only the Jeeps are going to V2 and I kinda think they have a TON of Deadbolt stock they're still trying to unload around the world. If you have a V2 JLU, could you maybe do a comparison video between a completely stock V2 and a stock V1+Lizard? I suspect the results will be shockingly close from my own time with the V2, and if that is the case, I personally MUCH prefer being able to drop a $10-35 USD motor to get this crazy low end torque than having to ALSO spend a MINIMUM of $40 USD (and in almost all situations $80 USD for all proper connectors and BT connection)
I agree the new esc is superior. Better low speed control, especially paired with injora 66t, also with dual steering setup the channel 3 switch can be toogled by your left hand thumb.
Yesterday (in a German forum) was the first time I heard about this, when a guy asked how to upgrade/repair his brandnew SCX24, which he had fried the board (battery in motor plug) and posted a pic without ch2. Today I ordered one of the new ones, only to see how it is.
Well. I wont be purchasing this rig. Sick of jeep.. they should have done an old Defender, Merc, or Urus!!!! Plus center of gravity is lousy.. weight distribution is really bad. I will stick with my c10 with nano beast and lizard pro! Dial in till my hearts content!
Dont mind the jeep myself, but to each their own. If I already owned an scx24 I wouldn’t buy another. They are all essentially the same (I know I know what am I saying). Maybe if I had different uses say one trail one rock crawler. That’s the thing in this hobby so many variables-back in the day everything worth having was a kit and you put in your own electronics etc to get what u wanted. Now most are r2r and u need to upgrade everything to get there.
I can get some being bothered by not being able to plug in their own ESC, but the stock ESC had such low resolution that you basically HAD to use your own ESC in order to do any scale crawling. So many times you'd be up against a rock, and the throttle response was either load with no tire movement, or the truck lurched forwards. The real issue here is the companies shaving cost by having 2-in-1 units, as these are always worse than having a seperate ESC/Rx. As far as a stock ESC combo unit, it is still technically better than the V1 in terms of how it works out of the box. And that is technically how a RC company should sell their models, looking at how they will operate out of the box.
Yes, that new ESC came with my Jeep. I don't care though because I'm installing an MR.de ESC and DasMikro nano receiver. Bummer though for all those who wanted a simple upgrade with the stock ESC.
If you watch a video with the new ESC with the super hard dragbrake, I fear, the motor will get fried even faster in the new one (if it is the same motor).
I like using the old electronics, so I can use the remote without buying a whole new electrical system and for quick ESC hookup. especially after spending a lot of money on upgrades. so the old electronics having a second Channel really save some money. but it's all in my opinion. everyone have a great day and a great crawl that's all that matters
A Stretch But maybe Axial has plans to offer upgrade reciever/esc brushless and brushed for later upgrade of motors.., I'd still try to find a work-around or just use 1 of my Futaba Radios Axial makes no sense on this move though to be sure!
Maybe they do have a sinister plan? Maybe they plan to introduce their own upgrade esc, that won't use ch2 in a traditional way, and this way they will have an exclusive non standard upgrade. Then they may release upgrade radio with no ch2 out, for those that invested in esc and locked themselves in Axial environment.
... yes, cannot think of anything else. By using external ESCs from other companies Axial did not loose anything, nothing... But same stuff with using ISDT technology (Smart) but different hardware, with special plugs for Horizon/Axial/Eflite etc. and Traxxas does the same. I hate this.
Makes no common sense. Even if the new esc is better, not allowing one to easily switch to brushless is not a smart thing to do. Maybe horizon plan to start selling a special esc and brushless motor combo that fit perfectly with this?
Hey ich muss dich nochmal was fragen, ich finde nirgends ne Antwort. Das ae-6 esc hat n 5v bec kann ich da trotzdem nen esc mit 6v bec an ch2 anstecken? Du hast hier gesagt man kann jedes esc dran tun,... Ich bin mir nich nicht ganz sicher
Um people this is a Horizon Hobbie issue not Axial. Remember that Axial is now a Horizon brand, it was done as a cost saving thing. The more platforms using the same equipment (notice the HR in the part number? stands for Horizon) means less over head in parts and man power to keep those parts organized, not to mention cheaper production cost of parts. Simple economics, no big conspiracy to lock people into using one brand
But they also try to log people, also with their plugs, etc.... There is a CH5 and 6 for turning lights now, would not know, why they couldn't have included a CH2 out again.
@@donaldsneffe I get where you're coming from for sure makes no real sense to me either, all I can figure is like I mentioned a money saving thing by using a piece of electronics from another platform. Possibly even having to use what was available because of supply problems.
I have some land to sell you on the moon if you're such a believer.. Axial was bought. U think they didn't plan ahead? U think they just pay millions on a company and then leave everything the same allowing aftermarket to leave their company? U think the esc was so terrible before? This scx24 is the best rated model car of its category
Just watched another video by "sator rotas" about the functions of the cl ports on the the V2 ESC. They seem to be for turn signals. Was pretty cool actually, but something I'd probably never use. I did notice the V2 in my new jeep Wrangler has better control than the ae-6 in my old C10.
They did this because they were bought out by HORIZON! Whenever a company is bought by a bogger company the product suffers ! This is a given. I am glad that I watched your video because I was planning to buy my first SCX24. I was going to buy the new Gladiator, however I will not be buying it or another Axial product. I have MANY RC cars but I only currently have one Axial product and I will be selling it in protest of the reduction in the quality of their products. I have respect for Traxxas for telling Tower Hobbies to go stuff themselves when they tried to force Traxxas to sell the company to Tower and pulled their products from Tower Hobbies. I had been a TH customer for 25 years when they did this and began buying from A main hobbies! Capitalism Is A Bitch!
Heh... Yes, it does look suspicious... I'm just using stock electronics on my SCX24, they aren't dead yet... So when I do upgrade, I'll probably swap radio system in the same go... I've been considering that German ESC you mentioned, I also saw it in one of your other videos at some point...
No go with the Furitek lizard pro honestly that's the best rather you use their motors or not, I own both the Komodo outrigger and the Godzilla motor and they are bothe amazing in their own ways (the Godzilla is a Fu&$ing beast does flips and pops Wheelies where as the Komodo is so slow on crawl mode you don't see it move but has enough torque to rip the wheels off (no joke). Furitek ESC has alot of settings and gives you alot of control, I love the furitek products I would 1000% recommend them all day long!! No affiliation or or product reimbursement here.
Hi Donald! I found something nice about the V2 transmitter! Its actually a rebranded FS-G4P transmitter with Flysky ANT protocol! You can buy separate receivers that binds to the transmitter: Flysky FS-R4D, FS-R4P, FS-R4M (for tiny builds) This way its only a 13$ plus to go brushless, and you can keep the transmitter and the 4 channel.
Hi, thanks. I knew it will work with the FCX24 (and CR-18P) radios and receivers. I have to test, have a ton of FS-R4M ANT receivers. I did already test and it did not bind... will check again. Will keep you updated!
@@Mironscrafts So, I tested now, but it did not work. Tested with FS-R4M, FS-R4P and FS-SR8 ANT receivers. Tried every way I know for binding, but did not work. Where do you have this information from? (It was tested with FG-G7P before, with SCX24 v2, but this also did not work)
I just blew my ESC from my new jeep now I can't find a replacement for it except for the other one with the channel out. I was told my controller won't bind with the old ESC so now I'm debating even staying in the hobby. I'm already a few 100 into my build and now I need a new controller and ESC. unless there's a link to the new ESC that I'm missing. very unhappy since I've only had this a few months also.
My new jeeps esc accelerates on its own without me hitting the trigger to forward and also a faulty servo it makes a jittery noise. ☹️ I want to send it back but I'm debating if I should just get the new lizard and komodo with new servo but wondering if the esc will still be a problem.
V2 is a better and more efficient esc than v1, with much better modulation. No out of box upgrades needed unless you want to go brushless, then you will want to rebuild the entire platform with a better esc and a new receiver and better controller of your choice anyways. As always, everyone misses the point completely.
The new esc/receiver is much better than the axial unit, no need for anything better than the 66t motor with it in my opinion. I bought a second new type unit for my deadbolt.
I asked a professional now, new blue board has been mapped by oscilloscope for signal: With the new, blue ESC/RX unit it is not possible to use an external ESC. There is no signal on any spot on the board, which could directly be used by an ESC, no matter if brushed or brushless (as many of us did or do in Blade mCPx, NanoCP brushed or Eflite UMX boards). Seems Axial does not want us to use upgrade ESCs.
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@@auggysimcity The days of radio shack are well behind us, it sucks. I'm getting very irritated about things like this. The only thing it costs the company is a lot of frustrated customers who, like me, bought the vehicle and furitek esc beforehand. Every other video review or demo I've seen of the furitek ESC never quite explained this odd incompatibility for just this one specific model of the scx24.
I don't think I'll ever go near these 2 companies again 😮💨 and certainly not for this kind of money.
I don't really see why it's a big deal. The new setup works amazing and isn't expensive at all compared to aftermarket units. If you want to use an upgrade ESC just buy one of the old V1 units and plug in to that.
All valid points in comments section..I'd suspect that Axial will be making their own step ups of receivers and such with bluetooth etc.. lock the customer into Axial, like Apple does with their products..
Axial is told what electronics to use now, remember they are a Horizon brand now
I feel like furitek is giving the Oem axial esc a bad reputation.. in a way but also furitek is charging a good bit of $$$ in some cases. I paid 100 cad for Eguana pro.. & don’t forget the brushless kit is 130$US>CAD 164$ 😳 that’s almost a new axial product 😉 see where the problem is…… they are almost piggy backing off axial lol that’s my opinion
Yup that's what horizon execs think too I'm sure
Maybe it’s like the rest of the world dealing with a shortage. Maybe they had to outsource new electronics and I think the white jeep is their best seller.
I do not have a Jeep ;-) (but a Chevy, a Betty, 2 Deadbolts and a totally custom SXC24).
But I guess, you are right, Jeep most popular.
Based on this video there is less noise and possibly a slightly better throttle control. th-cam.com/video/nr8Grl-A9is/w-d-xo.html. Maybe that is why? Awesome video btw 😊
Someone in the comments (link above) said the V2 is actually made by Flysky.
@@bcochener Yea! Do you think axial will release an SCX24 with a diff body this year?
@@JoshJ12 ...yes.
@@bcochener Looks a little bit like the Flysky FS-G4P 4, the new cheapo (www.flysky-cn.com/gt2g-description ), but with foam wheel, carbon style stickers... First I thought, this is like the new Radios of FMS/RocHobby, as for example comes with the 1/12 Willys Jeep. But checked it, no... looks similar, but the Willys radio is much, much smaller.
Finally I ordered a new SCX24 Jeep today only to check the new electronics - even if I probably will not use those ;-)
@@JoshJ12 Check out SBGuild today… just posted the new Gladiator SCX24…
This is actually pretty funny timing, a Reddit thread started on this very topic like 4 hours after you posted this video.
IMO the v2 ESC is SO MUCH BETTER than the v1 that the lack of easy ESC drop-in is an acceptable trade-off. Now you already get very solid low speed torque and I suspect that dropping a MofoRC Torquebeast 2 or Injora 66T will provide a proportionally MUCH cheaper, satisfying upgrade than having to buy either that same motor+Lizard or brushless+lizard.
I also suspect they'll continue to offer the V1; so far only the Jeeps are going to V2 and I kinda think they have a TON of Deadbolt stock they're still trying to unload around the world.
If you have a V2 JLU, could you maybe do a comparison video between a completely stock V2 and a stock V1+Lizard? I suspect the results will be shockingly close from my own time with the V2, and if that is the case, I personally MUCH prefer being able to drop a $10-35 USD motor to get this crazy low end torque than having to ALSO spend a MINIMUM of $40 USD (and in almost all situations $80 USD for all proper connectors and BT connection)
I agree the new esc is superior. Better low speed control, especially paired with injora 66t, also with dual steering setup the channel 3 switch can be toogled by your left hand thumb.
What is reddit? Well, maybe I should order a new Jeep, only to see how it is...???
Yesterday (in a German forum) was the first time I heard about this, when a guy asked how to upgrade/repair his brandnew SCX24, which he had fried the board (battery in motor plug) and posted a pic without ch2.
Today I ordered one of the new ones, only to see how it is.
Well. I wont be purchasing this rig. Sick of jeep.. they should have done an old Defender, Merc, or Urus!!!! Plus center of gravity is lousy.. weight distribution is really bad. I will stick with my c10 with nano beast and lizard pro! Dial in till my hearts content!
Dont mind the jeep myself, but to each their own. If I already owned an scx24 I wouldn’t buy another. They are all essentially the same (I know I know what am I saying). Maybe if I had different uses say one trail one rock crawler. That’s the thing in this hobby so many variables-back in the day everything worth having was a kit and you put in your own electronics etc to get what u wanted. Now most are r2r and u need to upgrade everything to get there.
I can get some being bothered by not being able to plug in their own ESC, but the stock ESC had such low resolution that you basically HAD to use your own ESC in order to do any scale crawling. So many times you'd be up against a rock, and the throttle response was either load with no tire movement, or the truck lurched forwards. The real issue here is the companies shaving cost by having 2-in-1 units, as these are always worse than having a seperate ESC/Rx. As far as a stock ESC combo unit, it is still technically better than the V1 in terms of how it works out of the box. And that is technically how a RC company should sell their models, looking at how they will operate out of the box.
Yes, that new ESC came with my Jeep. I don't care though because I'm installing an MR.de ESC and DasMikro nano receiver. Bummer though for all those who wanted a simple upgrade with the stock ESC.
well the motors get fried quickly maybe the esc had something to do with that.
If you watch a video with the new ESC with the super hard dragbrake, I fear, the motor will get fried even faster in the new one (if it is the same motor).
I like using the old electronics, so I can use the remote without buying a whole new electrical system and for quick ESC hookup. especially after spending a lot of money on upgrades. so the old electronics having a second Channel really save some money. but it's all in my opinion. everyone have a great day and a great crawl that's all that matters
Wow, that’s surprising. Looks like I need to list all my V1 Axial ESCs for sale! People may need them now…
Supply. The old esc/rec combo and transmitter were out of stock and the manufacturer couldnt keep up production.
A Stretch But maybe Axial has plans to offer upgrade reciever/esc brushless and brushed for later upgrade of motors.., I'd still try to find a work-around or just use 1 of my Futaba Radios Axial makes no sense on this move though to be sure!
Because you think it's axial. It's now a horizon product that was paid for and needs to mKe more income
Maybe they do have a sinister plan? Maybe they plan to introduce their own upgrade esc, that won't use ch2 in a traditional way, and this way they will have an exclusive non standard upgrade. Then they may release upgrade radio with no ch2 out, for those that invested in esc and locked themselves in Axial environment.
... yes, cannot think of anything else. By using external ESCs from other companies Axial did not loose anything, nothing...
But same stuff with using ISDT technology (Smart) but different hardware, with special plugs for Horizon/Axial/Eflite etc. and Traxxas does the same.
I hate this.
It's a Horizon issue, remember people Axial is a Horizon brand, the new board is a Horizon board not an Axial
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nice video,i will try to my old electrical system
Makes no common sense. Even if the new esc is better, not allowing one to easily switch to brushless is not a smart thing to do. Maybe horizon plan to start selling a special esc and brushless motor combo that fit perfectly with this?
Honestly:
I would love an SCX24 "Roller" - but probably this would be only about 10 bucks cheaper than the RtR...
Hey ich muss dich nochmal was fragen, ich finde nirgends ne Antwort.
Das ae-6 esc hat n 5v bec kann ich da trotzdem nen esc mit 6v bec an ch2 anstecken?
Du hast hier gesagt man kann jedes esc dran tun,... Ich bin mir nich nicht ganz sicher
Um people this is a Horizon Hobbie issue not Axial. Remember that Axial is now a Horizon brand, it was done as a cost saving thing. The more platforms using the same equipment (notice the HR in the part number? stands for Horizon) means less over head in parts and man power to keep those parts organized, not to mention cheaper production cost of parts. Simple economics, no big conspiracy to lock people into using one brand
But they also try to log people, also with their plugs, etc....
There is a CH5 and 6 for turning lights now, would not know, why they couldn't have included a CH2 out again.
@@donaldsneffe I get where you're coming from for sure makes no real sense to me either, all I can figure is like I mentioned a money saving thing by using a piece of electronics from another platform. Possibly even having to use what was available because of supply problems.
I have some land to sell you on the moon if you're such a believer.. Axial was bought. U think they didn't plan ahead? U think they just pay millions on a company and then leave everything the same allowing aftermarket to leave their company? U think the esc was so terrible before? This scx24 is the best rated model car of its category
Just watched another video by "sator rotas" about the functions of the cl ports on the the V2 ESC. They seem to be for turn signals. Was pretty cool actually, but something I'd probably never use. I did notice the V2 in my new jeep Wrangler has better control than the ae-6 in my old C10.
Yes, I did already get it... did already ad this info to the other, "long" video v1 vs. v2...
My guess is once you switch to the first your attack
They did this because they were bought out by HORIZON! Whenever a company is bought by a bogger company the product suffers ! This is a given. I am glad that I watched your video because I was planning to buy my first SCX24. I was going to buy the new Gladiator, however I will not be buying it or another Axial product. I have MANY RC cars but I only currently have one Axial product and I will be selling it in protest of the reduction in the quality of their products. I have respect for Traxxas for telling Tower Hobbies to go stuff themselves when they tried to force Traxxas to sell the company to Tower and pulled their products from Tower Hobbies. I had been a TH customer for 25 years when they did this and began buying from A main hobbies! Capitalism Is A Bitch!
you are confused. the new gladiator is so much better. they fixed all the issues. the new esc is amazing. the new steering servos are quieter too.
Will the hrz00015 work in a v1 scx 24 with the ax-4 transmitter?
No
Heh... Yes, it does look suspicious... I'm just using stock electronics on my SCX24, they aren't dead yet... So when I do upgrade, I'll probably swap radio system in the same go... I've been considering that German ESC you mentioned, I also saw it in one of your other videos at some point...
... you can see it in many of my videos - starting here about 1 year ago: th-cam.com/video/0d_WOpvopjs/w-d-xo.html
No go with the Furitek lizard pro honestly that's the best rather you use their motors or not, I own both the Komodo outrigger and the Godzilla motor and they are bothe amazing in their own ways (the Godzilla is a Fu&$ing beast does flips and pops Wheelies where as the Komodo is so slow on crawl mode you don't see it move but has enough torque to rip the wheels off (no joke). Furitek ESC has alot of settings and gives you alot of control, I love the furitek products I would 1000% recommend them all day long!! No affiliation or or product reimbursement here.
Can someone explaine where you plug in the servo when doing the channel 2 out
In CH 1, what is always the servo channel.
Good info.
Hi Donald! I found something nice about the V2 transmitter! Its actually a rebranded FS-G4P transmitter with Flysky ANT protocol! You can buy separate receivers that binds to the transmitter: Flysky FS-R4D, FS-R4P, FS-R4M (for tiny builds)
This way its only a 13$ plus to go brushless, and you can keep the transmitter and the 4 channel.
Hi, thanks. I knew it will work with the FCX24 (and CR-18P) radios and receivers. I have to test, have a ton of FS-R4M ANT receivers. I did already test and it did not bind... will check again. Will keep you updated!
@@donaldsneffe Thank you Donald! Then i will wait with my cart until you confirm it. I'm really hoping :)
@@Mironscrafts If it works, I will for sure make a video about this (and give credit to you, of course). I will test it soon...
Thank you Donald! :)
@@Mironscrafts So, I tested now, but it did not work.
Tested with FS-R4M, FS-R4P and FS-SR8 ANT receivers. Tried every way I know for binding, but did not work. Where do you have this information from? (It was tested with FG-G7P before, with SCX24 v2, but this also did not work)
I just blew my ESC from my new jeep now I can't find a replacement for it except for the other one with the channel out. I was told my controller won't bind with the old ESC so now I'm debating even staying in the hobby. I'm already a few 100 into my build and now I need a new controller and ESC. unless there's a link to the new ESC that I'm missing. very unhappy since I've only had this a few months also.
After buying axial it makes sense horizon doesn't want to lose u as a customer. So lock-in is a method for this
My new jeeps esc accelerates on its own without me hitting the trigger to forward and also a faulty servo it makes a jittery noise. ☹️ I want to send it back but I'm debating if I should just get the new lizard and komodo with new servo but wondering if the esc will still be a problem.
The new electronics will not accept an external ESC, no CH2 out. You will have to use different radio gear.
Does anyone know if the AE-6 ESC can work with the new Horizon Hobby 4 channel radio?
It does not work with the new radio.
Will the ae6 work with the hrz00014 transmitter?
No.
What does each channel mean on the HRZ00015?
The unused channels are for lights (turing lights right and left).
My lights quit working
Turn plug 180°
@@donaldsneffe they work if i put them down a hole but wont work with the transmiter i cant turn on or offf unles i put them lights on diferent port
@@kush6891 Wrong channel? Try to rebind. Black wire of the light plug has to be on top position (signal), not on bottom (black/negative).
What did you plug in to the Betty??
(Soldered) AS12/6RW ESC (it is the receiver unit of this video: th-cam.com/video/MMyQmCwmfD4/w-d-xo.html )
V2 is a better and more efficient esc than v1, with much better modulation. No out of box upgrades needed unless you want to go brushless, then you will want to rebuild the entire platform with a better esc and a new receiver and better controller of your choice anyways. As always, everyone misses the point completely.
ASX24-Crawler, AS12/6 are still way better plus silent.
@@donaldsneffe There is a certain allure to this 1/24 scale RC, that is unmistakable, and that is what this discussion is about.
@@toddp5026 I cannot follow you. What is your point? This video is from January...?
@@donaldsneffe smfh
The new esc/receiver is much better than the axial unit, no need for anything better than the 66t motor with it in my opinion.
I bought a second new type unit for my deadbolt.