This video is many things for me. It's a salute to the greatest comics writer from Europe. It's me trying to process my obsession for all things Goscinny. It's one more story to tell about Franco-Belgian comics that might otherwise stay forever behind the French language barrier. It's also my interpretation of history. I have pieced this story together from a big pile of books and documents. It's my theory of what happened in May 68 and this being a small obsession I'd be happy to get varied opinions, facts or ideas. I'm not sure if this type of content is what you'd like to see but I'm pretty sure there'll be more😄Producers notice: While filming, our noob host kept kicking the microphone cable and you can hear it. No time(read:motivation) for re-shoot so we just have to do better the next time.
This channel is my sanctuary for EU comics on TH-cam. I thought I had a pretty good understanding of the history and the creators involved, but you add a lot of colour and context I didn't have. Thank you for your efforts and the passion in bringing it to a wider audience.
Your comment means a lot to me as I consciously try to bring in more than just the facts. I try to excavate info from the Impenetrable Fortress of French language😅It's time consuming but fun at the same time. I keep learning new things all the time, too
I take this compliment with a relief and joy. I had lots of doubt about this one and was thinking of aborting many times. Getting support like this means a lot to me.
Even by your usual high standards, this video is a banger! I love the insight and pssion you brought to this story (one that i was not familiar with). Your research and editing skills are perfectly complemented by your script amd delivery. I am thrilled to see this evolution and heres to many more such lovely videos!
@@ftloc Thank you🤘🏻Editing took a lot of time which I didn’t really have. This video was important to me personally. I’m happy most seem to be OK with the tone it brings. I was uncertain and about to abandon the ship many times. Goscinny’s life has many more stories and fortunately not all are as gloomy. Some really fun bits there too. I’ll most likely return to them at some point but now I have my sights on other characters and creators.
There is more to tell for sure and Goscinny will pop up somewhere. It's unavoidable as he's been around and everywhere. Also I'd like to do at least one about his life through happier circumstances.
This was a very interesting but also surprisingly moving video, even to the point of being a bit depressing, but I'm glad I've watched it. Fun fact about the surname Goscinny: the adjective _gościnny_ means 'hospitable' in Polish. I think it fits René, and it doesn't seem to be just a coincidence, as his family originally came from Poland (and Ukraine, on his mother's side).
This is a very interesting comment as it shows an angle I didn't see. I found the story moving also but I didn't categorize it as depressing. Having said that It is at least a sad story no matter how you approach it. Gladly there are many funny stories about Goscinny too - which I'd like to document in future. Being a Finn I started from the dark side first😬 Very interesting detail about his surname. Thanks!
@analogcomics Yeah, but it's a name of Polish origin. Polish is my native language, and I accidentally misspelled that. Imagine if he had a Finnish surname (a simple, common word in Finnish), and *that's* what you tripped on, not the French part. 😄
@ BTW do they translate biographies of these European famous creators in Polish? We only get stuff about Herge in Finnish. I’ve heard Poland has an active comics scene.
Wow!!! I have been waiting patiently for this MASTERPIECE ever since your amazing historic video: ASTERIX AND THE EVOLUTION OF BANDE DESSINÉE: Pilote magazine and René Goscinny. As an avid comics fan in the USA i had no idea about this meeting and this video is a true revelation and education. If i can only tell you how much more respect i have for Goscinny now that i know what he went through and his personal struggles. I love the wink and a nod towards "The Strange Death of Alex Raymond." Very clever. I am assuming that the next natural progression from this masterpiece will be an equally salacious encore ballad of WHAT IS THE TRUE STORY THAT LED TO THE MESSY BREAKUP OF THE CREATORS OF METAL HURLANT. This story has been shrouded in mystery and from what i understand Moebius (once again) is right in the middle of the chaos. it is ironic that these young creators got exactly what they wanted and still would not be satisfied with their immediate success. Thank you for sharing your ART with the world😍💝🎨
Wow! Ah, If I could only tell you how poorly I'm equipped to receive compliments of this caliber😳At the same time it's exactly comments like this that make all the effort worthwhile. I really appreciate this. Thank you. There's still many good stories of Goscinny that I had to leave out. I hope to document them some day. Metal Hurlant Team of Druillet, Moebius and Dionnet must have been one wild human experiment😅All very esoteric and focused deeply in their craft. It's very hard to run a business like that. I have an idea why it all self destruct but I'd have to excavate more info before putting it on video. I think I'll move away from Goscinny on purpose for the next parts. I want to expand the landscape of BD a bit. I know I'll return to Goscinny at least when it's time to tackle the case of Lucky Luke.
@@analogcomics This is all very exciting!! Wow! I have heard that the relationship between Morris and Goscinny (during Lucky Luke) had it's ups and downs. Also I would LOVE to find out more details about how that partnership compared to Goscinny and Uderzo (Asterix). Another great video would be investigating the MIND OF MOEBIUS as far as did he ever have any "creative" relationship with peers that he worked with that actually lasted? I am currently reading an Awesome biography on him called: Doctor Moebius and Mister Gir and it is giving some interesting insight into this creative, chaotic and esoteric mind of his. Cheers🍻
I was in Nice, France last April on a overnight trip to see the two Herge/Tintin exhibitions. I walked from one exhibition in the port of Nice up to the top of Castle Hill I knew that Goscinny was interred in the local cemetery I had hoped to visit his grave but couldnt find it and then hadn't the time and was rather hungry/thirsty after walking up the hill. Shame i would have liked to pay my respects as Herge grave in Brussels is so well sign posted and easy to find.
The way I see it, just with the effort, you did pay your respects. I understand it would feel more tangible next to his grave. I wonder if there not being a sign is a decision of the family or the restrictions of the graveyard.
Thank you very many ;-) . Great video essay. My favorite author ist Charlier and my favorite artist is Giraud. I never heard of this tribunal, even so I am a fan of franco belgian comics since the 70s, when I bought the first Zack-Magazin, in which most of the stuff from Pilote was published in Germany.
Thank YOU multiple much! I had reservations about this one so having comments like this means a lot to me. Getting these stories together is like excavating info nuggets from the forgotten ruins of French language comics history😄
I remember the first time i heard about the ambush. I felt so bad for Goscinny. He had done so much work to uplift French comics only for a bunch of creators to decide to dogpile on him just to vent.
There's nothing like it - before or since. Morris' art also found a voice of it's own. It's very much in Marcinelle School-style and yet distinctly it's own thing. Lucky Luke will definitely be the subject of one these vids at some point. My big question is if I should read all Lucky Lukes or all Spirous next. I know it's going to be either or as I've wanted to do both for some time now. The best thing is that you found Lucky Luke! I'm also late for many other long running series and I try to enjoy the fact that there is already so much to read in them😊
As much as Goscinny may have had the motivation to create a working environment that was beneficial to creators, I also wonder how much there was a desire to have a proper magazine made in France by French professionals. The Belgians dominated the publishing of "serious" children's comics in the French world (both Tintin and Spirou were run from Belgium by Belgians), and the most successful French magazines of the 1950s were from the "outlaw" Lyon-based publishers, like Aventures & Voyages, Lug or Arédit-Artima, which were always under attack from the 1949 French Comics Code.
Very good points. I talk about this subject in the video I mentioned in this one(link in the description). Having a BD magazine in France was definitely important part of the business reasoning. I assume the French Comic Code made the decision easier too as it was sometimes more gentle with local content. Goscinny felt the Comics Code hard through Lucky Luke as he had to come up with stories of the fastest gunman in the west where noone gets killed😅Jean-Michel Charlier was even summoned to appear in person in front of French Ministry of Information to explain his comics. He'd penned a story that showed communists in a bad light(Vietnam War) and it was a no-no for these guardians of righteousness. It was purely a political decision.
I have it in my TBR-pile☺It's the first comic I show on my previous TBR-video. I remember it well because in that hastily done vid I mixed the writer and artist😬
I have that book somewhere. The book of the mutiny in Pilote. I read the beginning but for some reason I stopped. Thank you, I am going to give it a second chance .
It's a bit esoteric as each section accentuates different creators personality. And oh boy, the creators from that time were quite chracters! I can only imagine how much inner strenght and balancing it required from Goscinny to keep it all together. The Pilote Revolution book is not that interesting alone but when put into larger context(which I try to achieve here) it becomes very useful.
@@alenmemic2269 YT doesn’t like links so I’ll give you the info you need to find it: La Revolution Pilote 1968-1972. Publisher: Dargaud. Creators: Aeschimann & Nicoby
You are already doing what I'm thinking of doing!😊I'm torn between Lucky Luke Morris/Goscinny run and complete Spirou run. Both have been calling my name everytime I walk past my comics cabinet.
I am planning to read all Valerian albums by Mezieres-Christin in a chronological order. I had ordered Pilote when the Metro Chatelet direction cassiopee -run begun there. It was a mind-blowing experience! And it was Black and white. Oh boy! Was Mezieres there among the rebellions?
@ Mezieres played big part in the meeting. If I’m correct meeting was originally planned to happen in Mezieres’ home. He and Moebius were long time friends.
@ I read all Valerian albums chronologically not that long ago. I knew right away I need to make a video about the series. It is so unique in structure, style, timeline(in so many ways), progress and they way it changes during the run that it’s fun and demanding at the same time. A true classic.
@ Yes. Moeb and Mezi went together to see Jijé and they showed him the planches they had made. And Giraud got the assisstant job. And the rest is history. During the years I have seen many videos of Mezieres and he seems to be very nice and gentle fellow. It’s hard to believe that he was one of the most eager lynchers of Goscinny.
Samaa mietin. Olin 51 kun aloitin viime vuonna tämän tarinan kartoittamisen. Pisti miettimään. Goscinnyn tuotantomäärä ja - laatu oli huikea siihen nähden miten lyhyeksi hänen elämä jäi. Mitä kaikkea sieltä olisikaan vielä ollut tarjolla...Hänen elämäntapansa oli kuitenkin isoin syy yllättävään loppuun. Tupakoinnin lisäksi hänen ravitsemusideologiansa jäljitteli Asterix-albumien loppujuhlia.
Beevor has a great style for history! I especially love his Stalingrad book. It was like being there among the foot soldiers. He writes as if it's a novel despite all being facts. And yes...the French. They have the revolution in their blood😄 In fact there's another really really good story about that inside BD that I hope get documented one day. It makes me smile every time I think about it.
This video is many things for me. It's a salute to the greatest comics writer from Europe. It's me trying to process my obsession for all things Goscinny. It's one more story to tell about Franco-Belgian comics that might otherwise stay forever behind the French language barrier. It's also my interpretation of history. I have pieced this story together from a big pile of books and documents. It's my theory of what happened in May 68 and this being a small obsession I'd be happy to get varied opinions, facts or ideas.
I'm not sure if this type of content is what you'd like to see but I'm pretty sure there'll be more😄Producers notice: While filming, our noob host kept kicking the microphone cable and you can hear it. No time(read:motivation) for re-shoot so we just have to do better the next time.
Your contribution to the appreciation of European comics, and comics in general, is very much appreciated.
Excellent video. Never knew about this story. fascinating.
This channel is my sanctuary for EU comics on TH-cam. I thought I had a pretty good understanding of the history and the creators involved, but you add a lot of colour and context I didn't have. Thank you for your efforts and the passion in bringing it to a wider audience.
Your comment means a lot to me as I consciously try to bring in more than just the facts. I try to excavate info from the Impenetrable Fortress of French language😅It's time consuming but fun at the same time. I keep learning new things all the time, too
Hands down one of your most well made videos. Well done good sir
I take this compliment with a relief and joy. I had lots of doubt about this one and was thinking of aborting many times. Getting support like this means a lot to me.
Even by your usual high standards, this video is a banger! I love the insight and pssion you brought to this story (one that i was not familiar with).
Your research and editing skills are perfectly complemented by your script amd delivery.
I am thrilled to see this evolution and heres to many more such lovely videos!
@@ftloc Thank you🤘🏻Editing took a lot of time which I didn’t really have. This video was important to me personally. I’m happy most seem to be OK with the tone it brings. I was uncertain and about to abandon the ship many times.
Goscinny’s life has many more stories and fortunately not all are as gloomy. Some really fun bits there too. I’ll most likely return to them at some point but now I have my sights on other characters and creators.
Excellent, thanks! What a hero Goscinny was.
Fortunately there are also many great stories with more positive note. I hope to get those documented some day.
@ I look forward to watching them. I’m a new subscriber, thrilled to have stumbled across your channel!
Fascinating listen! Thank you for making this history available in English! 😊
Thank you! It's also fascinating to look and find all these stories so we all win🤘
This made me cry a little bit. I didn't know much about Goscinny the man but have loved his work for over 40 years
It is an emotional story. I'm happy - but also surprised - if the emotional bit carried over as we Finns can be a bit hard to read.
Amazing video. Please make more about René Goscinny's life.
There is more to tell for sure and Goscinny will pop up somewhere. It's unavoidable as he's been around and everywhere. Also I'd like to do at least one about his life through happier circumstances.
This was a very interesting but also surprisingly moving video, even to the point of being a bit depressing, but I'm glad I've watched it.
Fun fact about the surname Goscinny: the adjective _gościnny_ means 'hospitable' in Polish. I think it fits René, and it doesn't seem to be just a coincidence, as his family originally came from Poland (and Ukraine, on his mother's side).
This is a very interesting comment as it shows an angle I didn't see. I found the story moving also but I didn't categorize it as depressing. Having said that It is at least a sad story no matter how you approach it.
Gladly there are many funny stories about Goscinny too - which I'd like to document in future. Being a Finn I started from the dark side first😬
Very interesting detail about his surname. Thanks!
@@analogcomics I've somehow made a spelling error in Goscinny. It's fixed. 😅
@@Artur_M. I misspell French names all the time😄
@analogcomics Yeah, but it's a name of Polish origin. Polish is my native language, and I accidentally misspelled that. Imagine if he had a Finnish surname (a simple, common word in Finnish), and *that's* what you tripped on, not the French part. 😄
@ BTW do they translate biographies of these European famous creators in Polish? We only get stuff about Herge in Finnish. I’ve heard Poland has an active comics scene.
Wow!!! I have been waiting patiently for this MASTERPIECE ever since your amazing historic video: ASTERIX AND THE EVOLUTION OF BANDE DESSINÉE: Pilote magazine and René Goscinny. As an avid comics fan in the USA i had no idea about this meeting and this video is a true revelation and education. If i can only tell you how much more respect i have for Goscinny now that i know what he went through and his personal struggles. I love the wink and a nod towards "The Strange Death of Alex Raymond." Very clever. I am assuming that the next natural progression from this masterpiece will be an equally salacious encore ballad of WHAT IS THE TRUE STORY THAT LED TO THE MESSY BREAKUP OF THE CREATORS OF METAL HURLANT. This story has been shrouded in mystery and from what i understand Moebius (once again) is right in the middle of the chaos. it is ironic that these young creators got exactly what they wanted and still would not be satisfied with their immediate success. Thank you for sharing your ART with the world😍💝🎨
Wow! Ah, If I could only tell you how poorly I'm equipped to receive compliments of this caliber😳At the same time it's exactly comments like this that make all the effort worthwhile. I really appreciate this. Thank you.
There's still many good stories of Goscinny that I had to leave out. I hope to document them some day.
Metal Hurlant Team of Druillet, Moebius and Dionnet must have been one wild human experiment😅All very esoteric and focused deeply in their craft. It's very hard to run a business like that. I have an idea why it all self destruct but I'd have to excavate more info before putting it on video.
I think I'll move away from Goscinny on purpose for the next parts. I want to expand the landscape of BD a bit. I know I'll return to Goscinny at least when it's time to tackle the case of Lucky Luke.
@@analogcomics This is all very exciting!! Wow! I have heard that the relationship between Morris and Goscinny (during Lucky Luke) had it's ups and downs. Also I would LOVE to find out more details about how that partnership compared to Goscinny and Uderzo (Asterix). Another great video would be investigating the MIND OF MOEBIUS as far as did he ever have any "creative" relationship with peers that he worked with that actually lasted? I am currently reading an Awesome biography on him called: Doctor Moebius and Mister Gir and it is giving some interesting insight into this creative, chaotic and esoteric mind of his. Cheers🍻
I was in Nice, France last April on a overnight trip to see the two Herge/Tintin exhibitions. I walked from one exhibition in the port of Nice up to the top of Castle Hill I knew that Goscinny was interred in the local cemetery I had hoped to visit his grave but couldnt find it and then hadn't the time and was rather hungry/thirsty after walking up the hill. Shame i would have liked to pay my respects as Herge grave in Brussels is so well sign posted and easy to find.
The way I see it, just with the effort, you did pay your respects. I understand it would feel more tangible next to his grave. I wonder if there not being a sign is a decision of the family or the restrictions of the graveyard.
Thank you very many ;-) . Great video essay. My favorite author ist Charlier and my favorite artist is Giraud. I never heard of this tribunal, even so I am a fan of franco belgian comics since the 70s, when I bought the first Zack-Magazin, in which most of the stuff from Pilote was published in Germany.
Thank YOU multiple much! I had reservations about this one so having comments like this means a lot to me. Getting these stories together is like excavating info nuggets from the forgotten ruins of French language comics history😄
I remember the first time i heard about the ambush. I felt so bad for Goscinny. He had done so much work to uplift French comics only for a bunch of creators to decide to dogpile on him just to vent.
I started reading the Goscinny run of Lucky Luke and my goodness...I missed out as a child.
There's nothing like it - before or since. Morris' art also found a voice of it's own. It's very much in Marcinelle School-style and yet distinctly it's own thing.
Lucky Luke will definitely be the subject of one these vids at some point. My big question is if I should read all Lucky Lukes or all Spirous next. I know it's going to be either or as I've wanted to do both for some time now.
The best thing is that you found Lucky Luke! I'm also late for many other long running series and I try to enjoy the fact that there is already so much to read in them😊
As much as Goscinny may have had the motivation to create a working environment that was beneficial to creators, I also wonder how much there was a desire to have a proper magazine made in France by French professionals. The Belgians dominated the publishing of "serious" children's comics in the French world (both Tintin and Spirou were run from Belgium by Belgians), and the most successful French magazines of the 1950s were from the "outlaw" Lyon-based publishers, like Aventures & Voyages, Lug or Arédit-Artima, which were always under attack from the 1949 French Comics Code.
Very good points. I talk about this subject in the video I mentioned in this one(link in the description).
Having a BD magazine in France was definitely important part of the business reasoning. I assume the French Comic Code made the decision easier too as it was sometimes more gentle with local content. Goscinny felt the Comics Code hard through Lucky Luke as he had to come up with stories of the fastest gunman in the west where noone gets killed😅Jean-Michel Charlier was even summoned to appear in person in front of French Ministry of Information to explain his comics. He'd penned a story that showed communists in a bad light(Vietnam War) and it was a no-no for these guardians of righteousness. It was purely a political decision.
You should check out Yann and Schwartz’ Gringos Locos Where Morris, Jije. Franquin meet up with Goscinny in the US.
I have it in my TBR-pile☺It's the first comic I show on my previous TBR-video. I remember it well because in that hastily done vid I mixed the writer and artist😬
I have that book somewhere. The book of the mutiny in Pilote.
I read the beginning but for some reason I stopped. Thank you, I am going to give it a second chance .
It's a bit esoteric as each section accentuates different creators personality. And oh boy, the creators from that time were quite chracters! I can only imagine how much inner strenght and balancing it required from Goscinny to keep it all together. The Pilote Revolution book is not that interesting alone but when put into larger context(which I try to achieve here) it becomes very useful.
Could you put some link for the Pilote comic you showed, about that meeting.
@@alenmemic2269 YT doesn’t like links so I’ll give you the info you need to find it:
La Revolution Pilote 1968-1972. Publisher: Dargaud.
Creators: Aeschimann & Nicoby
im just reading all 40 lucky lukes from morris/goscinny... an complete issue with box...
You are already doing what I'm thinking of doing!😊I'm torn between Lucky Luke Morris/Goscinny run and complete Spirou run. Both have been calling my name everytime I walk past my comics cabinet.
I am planning to read all Valerian albums by Mezieres-Christin in a chronological order. I had ordered Pilote when the Metro Chatelet direction cassiopee -run begun there. It was a mind-blowing experience! And it was Black and white. Oh boy!
Was Mezieres there among the rebellions?
@ Mezieres played big part in the meeting. If I’m correct meeting was originally planned to happen in Mezieres’ home. He and Moebius were long time friends.
@ I read all Valerian albums chronologically not that long ago. I knew right away I need to make a video about the series. It is so unique in structure, style, timeline(in so many ways), progress and they way it changes during the run that it’s fun and demanding at the same time. A true classic.
@ Yes. Moeb and Mezi went together to see Jijé and they showed him the planches they had made. And Giraud got the assisstant job. And the rest is history.
During the years I have seen many videos of Mezieres and he seems to be very nice and gentle fellow. It’s hard to believe that he was one of the most eager lynchers of Goscinny.
Kauhea kuolema. Olen 51v.
Samaa mietin. Olin 51 kun aloitin viime vuonna tämän tarinan kartoittamisen. Pisti miettimään. Goscinnyn tuotantomäärä ja - laatu oli huikea siihen nähden miten lyhyeksi hänen elämä jäi. Mitä kaikkea sieltä olisikaan vielä ollut tarjolla...Hänen elämäntapansa oli kuitenkin isoin syy yllättävään loppuun. Tupakoinnin lisäksi hänen ravitsemusideologiansa jäljitteli Asterix-albumien loppujuhlia.
Well... the French... I'm reading 'Paris after the occupation', by Antony Beevor and Artemis Cooper. The French... An easily agitated, fiery bunch.
Beevor has a great style for history! I especially love his Stalingrad book. It was like being there among the foot soldiers. He writes as if it's a novel despite all being facts.
And yes...the French. They have the revolution in their blood😄 In fact there's another really really good story about that inside BD that I hope get documented one day. It makes me smile every time I think about it.