Gotta admit Rubio has balls to stand in a room, surrounded by thousands of people who despise him and everything he stands for, without any allies. It shows he is willing to essentially be crucified for the sake of trying to establish conversation. VERY few human beings have the courage to do something like that, and I have gained a tremendous amount of respect for him.
@DJA Nothing to do with "guts"; just the calculation that the next time he runs for president, he won't face an opponent calling him a coward for not showing up. He knows that him showing up will stick in memory more than how embarrassing his performance was.
He was only alone cause he’s so called “allies” didn’t want to come it doesn’t matter what the audience did what mattered was the people who were on stage they wanted to talk and were listening and that’s what matters
I will give Rubio this, at least he had the balls to show up to this town hall meeting and answer question. All the other republicans are hiding in Washington
Ryan I totally agree. I'm a liberal, for sure, but I respect the guy for showing up when he knew he'd be the least popular guy in the room. I feel like he did a good job of practicing what he's preaching re: the need for people from opposing stances to communicate and compromise. I'd love it if he'd be for a ban on all assault weapons (as well as a good and proper definition of what should be considered an assault weapon), but I was happy even to just hear him say that he might be changing his stance on high capacity magazines..... Baby steps, I guess? At least they're baby steps in the right direction, though...
I`m watching this debate about a year later and what`s left of it? Literally nothing. Does anyone even remember? American politics seriously makes me wanna throw up..
More gun control wont make a difference. Guns are already everywhere. You think people are just going to give them up? LOL law abiding citizens are the ones getting fucked. Criminals will always get their hands on firearms. Criminals dont obey gun laws. Thats why it will NEVER change.
@@maxxmatlock212 but gun control can help prevent others from getting guns like the dude who got 47 guns at the las vegas shooting LEGALLY and the parkland shooting... it will make a difference and it should be there
@@shreyassaride194 first of all the shooter had 23 guns, and no matter how many guns he had, a person can only fire one or two at a time. there are already background checks on a federal and state level when you buy a firearm. more laws won't matter, as is evident in other states that have more restrictive gun laws. we already have over 20,000 gun laws on the books. we need less regulation so people can defend themselves against these types of threats more effectively.
Sheriff Israel...your deputies stood outside when these young people deserved an immediate response from your staff. You should be ashamed! And removed from your position.
Plus, in that rebuttal by Sheriff Isreal said (in his 39 years of law enforcement) that he and his deputies have taken weapons away from mentally ill people in the past. Well, his department visited Cruz's house 39 times...why didn't his experience enact the same response? If the Sheriff is so good at protecting people, he had ample opportunity to do so in that case. I call foul on the Sheriff and his political agenda.
Glenn Quagmire agreed this is just a further Testament that you need to own guns to protect yourself cuz the police are incapable of doing it for you why trust your lives to them when they failed the simple task
Two people wearing "police" type uniform WERE in the room with kids when shooting took place. Was shown on video from phone but has been taken down. No reports on claims of second shooter by students. WHY??? Plenty of time for these stage productions, but no time for real reports?????
Did I go down the rabbit hole? Why are they shouting down the VALID point that major mental health red flags were IGNORED?! You can't keep firearms away from every psychopath but a lot could have been done to address this particular gunman.
Ev Ye one of the survivors in another interview said "we weren't surprised when where TOLD who the shooter was. Not at all" that just means the expected it and didn't do a damn thing. I don't think the problem is one specific thing, it's a little bit of everything. It's not black or white, or red or blue. It's an array of colors and there is so much more to the story and the problem. It can't be solved with yes or no answers. And it kept pissing me off that the crowd was shouting things and wouldn't let them finish, and I understand the victims are upset but they need to let them answer or they will accomplish nothing. I have so much respect for Rubio because he didn't start yelling and throwing a fit when people wouldn't listen to him. And the guy in the middle, he was dodging every question and kept answering with "let's just get the guns off the street" even if it had nothing to do with the question. At least the other two actually answered (or attempted)
the first kid looked dead inside and it broke my heart. siblings are rough with each other, i just hope he got to tell his brother he loved him before he died.
That's what I was thinking. What a lot of people in the Comments Section don't realize is: Those kids just survived an attack on their school. A few days, prior to the airing of this video. Of course they'll feel this way.
He looked dead inside because they think it’s totally fine to drug small kids and bring them up in single parent homes that is the problem learn some responsibility don’t sleep around don’t have kids if your unable to feed them yourself. These are the problems that need solved long before gun violence.
I think you are right. However, remember they were just victims of a terrible tragedy, and are understandably not particularly looking to hear other viewpoints at that time. Remember they aren't the only ones seeing this. You and the other 750 thousand people who saw this video also heard the logic and reasoning spoken that night.
Very Disrespectful on the part of many of those minors AND the adults who enabled this CNN setup. True mob mentality where emotionalism supersedes rationality. Loesch needed a private security team just to get in and out of the building.
Because of woke culture. The law enforcement guy said what people wanted to hear "guns are bad" who cares what the real problem is go along with the narrative and you get rewarded. Also the questions were all obviously written by CNN and given out to people before hand so of course none of the questions are going to stray from the narrative CNN is trying to push.
They all had their eyes fixed. Comments prepared. The father who lost his daughter, after his questions, when Rubio was speaking, the audience attacked and he smiled. 🤔
did you think it was? literally nobody there gives two shits apart from the victims, not CNN and definitely not the politicians. Your political system has gotten worse, most of them are sprouting Q Anon nonsense or playing party politics.
That is in large degree down to the debate not ebing about the attributes of the gun, how to prevent ILLEGAL guns, how to prevent criminals from getting guns. When the aargument is to ban assault weapons and then giving the reason that a non assult weapon is used or looks a certain way? Are all subaru Impreza rally cars, or ar ONLY rally cars, made for Rally actually rally cars, should we than ban a car for LOOKING like one? What is worse, being shot by a 5 round revolver or a 15 round semi automatic, you are just as dead, and I am sure your family is just as sad. As to a school shooting, the shooter is determined, this means that if he has o gun at home he goes and gets a gun illegally, now how does making a law so that prevents a shooter from having a gun at home prevent hime from getting one illegally. Scenario: I have been having thoughts of shooting up my school, I am determined, BUT there is LAW out there preventing me from having a gun at my home? Does this prevent me from going to shchool and shoot everyone? No in no way does it prevent this. Since I am determined I now seek out criminal elements and buy a gun. I then take the gun to school and shoot people. The solution: is to really not solve the problem, by demanding a law that serves no purpose. After all bank robbery is illegal................do people rob banks? But how can they it is illegal? Crminals do not care about the law, ergo making a gun law will not in any way prevent people from getting an illagal gun. Also by the argument that becuse someone used a legal gun to kill a dozen kiids, this was BAD, but the same argument will then by default also say that had he brought an illegal gun and killed the same dozen then everthing is ok, after all it was not a LEGAL gun, and maybe it didn't "look" a certain way
From what I can tell its that in america you have a right to own a gun its not a privilage like driving a car, it is a right. That have to change if you want to see real gun reform
Getrundina Melow I understand that. All they did was kill time for others to have a chance of speaking and possibly address whatever they were yelling about. Go to counselling, therapy, loved ones etc., not at a forum to attempt political reform. What they went through was terrible yes, but yelling and being a nuisance was disrespectful to all who want action.
No what was stupid when somebody proposed an idea like better background checks, better mental evalutions to keep the insane from obtaining firearms.....crickets. A person just says "ban ar 15s!" And everybody just loses their minds!
Lisa Bella What are they cheering about? It is a free country and they can do what they want but when they cheer and boo it becomes more like a football game. If they really were traumatized I’d expect them to listen to the conversations and not sound so much like a mob. It’s ironic that the farther in time we go from the shooting the more we find that government incompetence at all levels was by far the biggest factor that allowed this shooting to happen.
Lisa Bella I said it is their right. It’s just hard for people like me to take them seriously with an obvious mob mentality. Do you think during a criminal trial people in the gallery people are allowed to boo and cheer? I think I can understand what is going on without your help. If you like this style of interaction good for you. Many find it distasteful and I find it less than serious.
The crowd is obnoxious. If you want to actually have a discussion, you need to let your opponents speak. You're not going to get anywhere by screaming whenever your opponents make a point.
I just had this same argument with someone...Make the legal age to own an “assault rifle” 25, but only if our government agrees and excepts the legal age of enlistment is 25 as well...but we all know that’s never going to happen.
AmericaTheBlind I'd prefer, if we are changing these numbers, to be 21. Or, move the drinking age to match at 25. Same with tobacco, gambling, driving a car, etc.
That’s fine...I’m down with 21, but it’s asinine to say a child who knows nothing and ignorant to life can go fight a war for political and financial motives at 18, but can’t buy a gun or drink etc. Whether its 21 or 25 the age should change...even though I don’t think that’s going to change what’s happening in our society, and eliminate these mass shootings.
As a democrat, I can say Rubio did a great job speaking in a whole room against him he tried even with all the boos..this is what starts change dialogue
Alex Rivera Respectfully, my fellow American, I disagree. What starts dialogue is being able to listen to your opponent without interrupting him or calling him a murderer. This was a dog and pony show, not a debate. These people did not want to debate.
Richard Rychetsky I don't know what show you're watching Rubio is not being truthful if you know anything about guns you know about gas recoil and there's difference saying that I don't believe guns the problem but I believe in being truthful
kiss keep it simple stupid of course Rubio is being truthful, you might not agree with his solution but basically half the american people do. Show some respect dumbass
Rubio changed his stance on several issues in order to please the crowd. I suppose this is what most politicians do, but I was embarrassed for him. They all still wanted to burn him at the stake in the end regardless.
But also that NRA bitch was trying to make him responsible for every police officer's failure in the entire US. Seriously? HE didn't fail to enter the building. And HE suspended and investigated the guy who did. Yeah, he fucked up. But it's real convenient to try to blame him when the heat is turned up on you and you know your organization specifically pushed to end the very legislation that you are now claiming would have helped prevent the tragedy. Bitch knows damn well they worked to soften mental health provisions in the background check and reporting laws. Sooooo manipulative and dishonest. That's why everyone was booing her. She was just mean spirited and rude and full of crap. Trying to butter up that young student at the beginning. Greasy as hell.
At least both agencies took responsibility by admitting it, when is Trump going to do the same? He blocked Obama-era background checks on the mentally ill.
Like the Terror watch list the NRA HAD to fight the laws because they did not allow the restoration of rights once you recovered OR if you were on the terror watch list by mistake... the NRA is very consistent and by the books...."NO guns for nut-os"
Like the Terror watch list the NRA and TRUMP had to fight the laws because they did not allow the restoration of rights once you recovered OR if you were on the terror watch list by mistake... the NRA is very consistent and by the books...."NO guns for Wackos"
What about psychological services? Clearly, our society is fractured. We need stronger families. Let's look at the root cause. What is causing people to kill? Let's figure that out!
The Killers are Unhinged Millenials who were raised in a home where there is no Family Unit ! Both parents work and the kid is playing Video games all day !
Even more disgusting the Sheriff and FBI did NOTHING after being warned about the shooter. Cowardice on the part of this deputy should be prosecuted.Outrageous!!
Jude Blanch i agree... he just stood outside of the building, listening to kids being murdered , kids he was SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING ... he just stood there...
Its amazing how easy it is to make people tools of idiocy and theft of public life and wealth. You parrot what your masters say because you think it's the smart or right thing to say. My NRA book describes taking cover. Not running into a gun fight with a pistol against an AR. When you see events on TV or in the street this has always been how law enforcement has handled these situations and still is. Pure hero fantasies to expect otherwise. More lives will be lost and teachers will be targets, have to leave their kids to go get shot instead of locking doors, and the kids wont be able to get near teachers because the teachers, all of them regardless of concealed weapons or not, will be potential perceived threats by the shooter. Thank you to Trump for saying that teachers are going to shoot the hell out of them. Trump slaps a bullseye on their back gives them a p shooter and says go get'em while saying we can save money on security. Trump is a sociopathic ventriloquist dummy for the NRA. 700,000 more teachers with guns in schools is the plan he is promoting. He talks like a common person but I really hoped for a smart president.. Are we going to start ridiculing and firing teachers who don't run fast enough to their likely death with a handgun against an AR? They will be the new targets to blame when children die an expected to engage even while officers are trained not to. Officers shoot unarmed compliant people very quickly at one end of the spectrum and there are heroes like you want them all to be but that isn't their training. If you want guns pulled from anyone who has a complaint made about them or seems a little off, lets get that into law and start ripping back some of these 300 million guns out there. I am sure law enforcement would love to make the streets safer for themselves.
I didn't see a solution in what anything you said. Just a giant list of improbable things that have to all go right to get to your fantasy ending after kids have been shot. Schools have long open hallways that are easy for a shooter with a rifle to control despite the imagined perfect response scenario. Nobody has said what teachers will be expected to do specifically yet but Trump said they would save money on security so that sounds a lot like running towards the gunman. Going into the school for LEO's isn't as simple as get 'em and they are too late to get there anyway. Plenty of other ways to set schools up to lock down a shooter, protect students, evacuate students. locking doors, corridors, safe rooms, patents for desks with armor. Im not suggesting a huddling mass of unprotected children. Non lethal weapons distractions. smoke. Use you brain you seem to have one but you have to put that peanut to some wider thought than a hero with a gun fantasy. And just so we're even, Moron. lol
You say government "FAILED" then go on to excuse the people running the government from responsibility. How does your brain work like that? There is no hope if the people in charge don't believe in government or that they have no responsibility. The groups you've named and Trump are in charge and refer to half of Americans as enemies ( Trump, the NRA, the 2nd Amendment, Conservatives, Constitutionalists, Christians, patriots, guns nor their accessories,) but they aren't responsible for failures you say? Leaders in power who only blame other people and more than half the country is weak. Patriots don't call half the country enemies. I have saved all kinds of people and I don't care who they are. You can't even have a conversation without hate, blame, and lies spilling out to maintain your perfect irresponsible stance. The NRA had congress remove the law in 2017 that required the SSA to report to NICS people so severely mentally disabled that they couldn't manage their own social security checks. The NRA and therefore its GOP talking parrots do not want the things you say they do. Hipaa does not get in the way of mandated reporting of abuse, a threat to self, or others Like NRA Dana Loesch claimed. I could go on and on but since you are just picking sides and absolving the people in power of responsibility there is no point.
Here we go the false accusation of a fabricated insult I never made to a person to try to discredit me. This is why it is dangerous to have a discussion with people like you. Your mind creates all sorts of perceived insults and victims who's honor you'll have to what avenge through more lies about me? Sounds like a good guy of course you imagined I said something bad about him to begin with. Your thinking is delusional and you should not have a gun if you do. We are done discussing. I won't be reading anything else you write because you are dangerous and for my own mental hygiene.
So if someone gave you millions of dollars to vote on laws in their favor you mean to tell me you wouldn't do that? Ok so if getting rid of ARs is not the solution then why don't he stop taking the NRAs millions to at least appease his constituents so they don't look at him like he's doing the NRAs bidding? Another thing is that countries like Japan 🇯🇵, Australia 🇦🇺, and the UK 🇬🇧 have tight gun laws and mass shootings are non existent. So that very fact shows that Rubio can do more to represent Florida so to say he can't do much is nonsense and the fact he take the NRA's money makes him look even worse. Especially at this town hall with the words coming out of his mouth.
I’m a conservative high school student. Let me say that guns aren’t the problem. Our society has done a terrible job of promoting personal responsibility.
I really wanted to watch this town hall meeting - to actually hear ALL the thoughts and opinions - but, no, this was NOT a town hall to discuss how to make our schools safe; it was a bashing of any idea that wasn't of an already held democrat position. What a sad waste of an opportunity for an honest, thought provoking , discussion of ideas to make our country a safer place to live. I commend Senator Rubio for having the courage to stand on that stage and speak - when he was actually allowed to do so, without being rudely interrupted - about some solid ideas that could be implemented in order to make all of us safer. Congressman Deutch, who, sitting on that stage, took every opportunity to sneer and show distaste for anything Senator Rubio had to say, was an absolute representation of partisanship, and as such, is a prime example of why real and needed changes, through legislation, cannot be passed in this country.
Philippe Hunt yeah, they were after him and I think he raised a lot more awareness around some issues people were previously not aware of. I think he killed it, but he also got caught up by some of the students because he didn’t have a clear answer
Nick Jermichalesactionjackson and Hillary Clinton gets millions a year from law firms, oil companies, and foreign countries and people try and claim she’s brave for writing a stupid book where she blames everybody but herself for her 2016 loss
This is why we can't find common ground. Good God, you people are so blinded by party allegiances. You'd probably be pissed if he didn't show up. Why is it that most liberals I encounter act like spoiled children throwing temper tantrums. He's something that will surely piss you off and I don't care, it needs to be said. We should not be basing policy off the opinions of children. No one denies that they've lived through tragedy and I'm sure everyone empathize with them. But their experience in this matter does not substantiate their opinion over mine and I've been researching political topics for well over 2 decades. I'm sorry, needs to be said. The fact you liberals are putting these kids in the forefront as the voice of our country is disgusting and as soon as you call it as such, they turn around and say we're cruel. You're all being duped and exploited by your political masters yet again. You people really are slaves to this system.
It made me think of Orwell's "2 Minutes of Hate". I would not feel safe standing in the middle of that crowd. An emotional, hysterical mob being manipulated for political purposes is to be feared, history has plenty of examples of that.
Kevin Shauger yeh seriously that’s what pissed me off the most if your gonna blame anyone, blame them. It’s pretty obvious their just using this to push their own agenda I hate this so much
@@haer8570 Yup they failed in most of the other shootings you hear on the news also, you won't hear anything about when the police do stop a mass shooting those kind of stories don't get ratings and views.
It wasn't really a town hall. CNN scripted this and it was a biased bashing. The sheriff/officer was a joke. None of the changes can happen without the votes. The students basically want over 2000, not the 200 on the law they talk about passing. There's no way the votes would come close. The sheriff blames the shooter and is cheered. But when the Dana or Rubio tried to blame the shooter it wasn't accepted with that applause. The lady who lost her daughter Alyssa the soccer player completely from a cue card was a massive joke. Sheriff Israel blames lawmakers while the deputies waited outside for the shooter to stop and sneak out. He wants to build schools harder to get inside. But that makes it harder to get out. Israel lied. The police and sheriff's deputies stood down. Its all sad for the losses, but the meeting is a joke that looks like talk show drama.
I don’t think this audience was purely anti gun or one sided. I think it was a room full of hurt and grieving individuals which over anything we should acknowledge and show some sympathy for.
Sorry, the design of the AR was for military use, they were turned into civillian versions with the exclusion of a trigger pack enabling burst or full auto. Nothing else differenciates the two (which are not impossible to attain), the ammunition difference hardly matters when you have zero body armor protecting you. You can buy a mod 0 kit and anything else to have the exact same product as you see on any special forces (military) image - with aftermarket suppliers giving you access to parts of very high quality. Anyone who ignores this needs to be educated.
@@dfjdskf9234j4fisd You do know that no army today trains in full auto, it wastes ammo and is inaccurate. Go and use full auto in the Army, you will get hit so fast you'd swear they full auto'd your ass it got kicked so damn quick. If I was a first responder, or anyone else and I had someone with one of these converted to FA and thousands of rounds on hand running loose I would quit on the spot. But hey enjoy your flex plinking with mates or your doomsday prepping drills. Which is all people really care about.
The Sheriff didn't say the same thing as her. She was avoiding placing blame on gun availability and instead blamed mental illness. The problem is the ease with which this kid was able to buy a gun. Not just him being insane. She didn't say "we need to ban assault weapons to civilians." She said "we need to keep them out of the hands of the loons." Problem is, this ignores the fact that the shooter in this case PASSED A BACKGROUND CHECK and was sold a gun. Her response ignores the entire cause of the tragedy: the kid being sold the gun in the first place. If guns were banned, that shooting would not have happened.
TheUltimateBeing 01 I’m pretty sure the NRA lady said we should focus on our background checks and got booed. Then the Sheriff says focus on background checks and got cheered
TheUltimateBeing 01 You are right, a bombing would of occurred instead of a shooting... Cruz would of used a bomb instead like McVeigh did....which took out 168 people and 680 injured
so let me get the liberal logic correct...the fbi is notified that a guy wants to be a professional school shooter, they do nothing at all, and somehow guns are the problem? maybe liberals need more education possibly??
paul thomas as a devout conservative will you help legislate that education? Because after Republicans have made every attempt to cut taxes in the last 50 years, there's not enough money for even adequate standards of education. It's a joke on account of Conservative voters.
@@iheartlreoy8134 Sure. But Republicans, unless they are big-time philanthropists, do next to nothing to help. They're the anti-education, anti-labor union, pro- mass shootings party.
Sheriff Scott Israel should be held responsible for this !! he knew of this kid's behavior. his department was called on him over 39 times.. the FBI had multiple tips.. the whole school joked about him being a mass shooter... there is no excuse. 1 domestic violence call is all it takes to get a regular person from owning guns for 7 years. why did they not have him do a psychological evaluation after being called 39 times? don't let Scott Israel shift his incompetence unto gun laws . IF he ENFORCED EXISTING LAWS ,THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN
Leo, I'm not sure if you were speaking to me directly when you said "dumb ass," but it came back to my replies. As in life, I choose not to disrespect anyone here in my comments. What I will say is that I can only hope you are actually correct in your comment that they were "fake deaths." That would be the best thing ever. That would mean precious children are not gone. Blessings to you.
Quille Sanders honestly... if all of that happens I’ll probably be super old and have lived my long life or not have a chance in comparison to a nuke. Between now and then I can at least do my part and try to be a more connected, understanding and healing individual those are the changers in the world, not some money hungry politician. Like Ghandi, Oprah, people who pushed envelopes for women’s suffrage etc it’s bigger than just politics, you can’t fight anger with anger, you need the opposite. At least that’s what I think. 🤷🏾♀️
The reason why 18 is the age of majority for the most part these days is because the voting age was lowered to 18, and that was because 18’s the age of enlistment to begin with. But that being said, I do think that the majority of firearm varieties should be reserved for those 21+, and that young adults between 18-20 years old should only own long, less practical firearms.
I must say, even though I disagree completely with Senator Rubio stands on guns, I applaud him for coming out and speaking his mind and offering his answers to whatever questions may come his way. His opening speech was perfect and completely true. That took guts.
I was a junior in high school when this happened, and although it was across the country, it shook everyone here. I watched my normally stoic criminal justice and civics teacher break down because of what happened in Parkland. She's the one who taught us the constitution front to back, she supported the second amendment, but she told us she never wanted it to get to the point where teachers needed to be armed.
I feel bad for the victims but what a joke this "debate" was. All the comments were 95% emotion and 5% logic. This is exactly what Rubio warned about at the very beginning of his speech.
Stanley George Nazi is an acronym for National SOCIALIST German Worker's Party. (In German) Obviously a self-declared socialist worker's party is very clearly left-wing. Contrary to popular belief, fascism can be most accurately defined as the political belief that the state is more important than the individual. This belief is what allowed fascists to justify pursuing "racial purification" of humanity. They considered the individual rights of those they killed as less important than the greater good that they fervently believed would come to humanity through the supremacy of a certain race. Essentially, fascism focussed on community, rather than the individual, which is undoubtedly a hallmark of the left wing. Also, the right-wing is always considered to be more focused on religion than the left, and fascist states were bitterly opposed to religion. The Nazis actually set up a religion called positive christianity which incorporated racial elements and the swastika, and was intended to gradually move Germany away from Christianity toward "mystical Darwinist vitalism" based on ancient Vedic (aryan) rituals. Mussolini was forced to cooperate with the Catholic Church to some extent because the Italian people were overwhelmingly devout Catholics. However, on a personal level, Mussolini was always very contemptuous of religion, and often privately referred to priests as "black flies". Finally, when fascism was on the rise throughout Europe, it was the ideology of young liberals, based on bold new ideas like eugenics that conservatives shunned. Mussolini, like Marx and Lenin, saw the party as the vanguard of the working class, a force from without the system that would usher in change. Mussolini was in fact a member of the socialist party of Italy, although he broke with the party on the issue of neutrality during World War I. It was later that Mussolini thought to combine socialism with nationalism, and form a new party. He called the combination “fascism.” A fasces is a bundle of rods, each individually weak while the bundle is strong. Mussolini’s counterpart in Germany called the combination “national socialism.” In Germany, where they like long words, this became “Nationalsozialistische.” In America, where we like short words, this became “Nazi.” Adolph Hitler was in many ways like Mussolini. Hitler, like Mussolini, was a great admirer of Marx,and was originally a member of the socialist party. Hitler, like Mussolini, served in the army of his country during World War I, and both rose to the rank of corporal. Hitler, like Mussolini, said that the members of the working class were not easily drawn to revolutionary socialism, but were responsive to a combination of socialism and nationalism. The new national socialist parties of Italy and Germany clashed with the communist parties of those countries. This was a clash of rivals both of which were revolutionary socialist and had the will to power. Then, when the traditional conservative, liberal and democratic socialist parties were in decline, the national socialists rose to power with the support of certain industrialists (we would say “crony capitalists”). The main difference between Hitler’s form of national socialism and Mussolini’s concerned the meaning of “nationalism.” Hitler thought of nationalism along genetic lines, while Mussolini thought of nationalism along cultural lines. American progressives were, at the time, sympathetic to both points of view. Woodrow Wilson was definitely in the racist camp. Theodore Roosevelt in the cultural camp. Family planning, abortion and forced sterilization were part of the agenda, along with establishing labor colonies for the undesirable elements of society and using public schools to indoctrinate the next generation. In Oregon, the KKK was successful in outlawing private or religious schools until the Supreme Court ruled that to be unconstitutional. Then came, with the end of World War II, knowledge of the horrors that the Nazis had unleashed upon the world. Certainly, American progressives did not want to be associated with that. So, there was a whitewash of history. The connections of American progressives with the KKK, forced sterilization, experimentation on prisoners, advocacy of labor colonies, internment of Americans of Japanese descent, and admiration of fascism had to disappear from history. Even more, fascism and racism were redefined as right-wing, instead of left-wing.
that is a GOOD piece of DEFLECTION that has NOTHING TO do with this issue in this society. If the Nazis were so leftist why were they supported by "Conservative right-wing christians?" And why start those death camps for people who were ethnically different? Why so much racism like the KKK? Don't tell me that the KKK is a leftist group? Both are racists and conservative "good christian" right wing shitbags! Just because they used a good idea of nationalism regarding taking care of fellow citizens basic needs does not automatically make them "leftists." Nazis/Hitler hated the Communists Russians. And by the way, GET THE F*CK OUTTA' HERE WITH YOUR UNRELATED BULL$H!T!!!!!
P Lewin 1. First of all, yes you are correct that the formal name of the Nazi party is the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, however most historians, and really anyone who actually understands the definitions of fascist and Socialist, agree that the name speaks to the image that the Nazis wanted to project, and not what they actually espoused. They wanted to attract workers and lead them away from the Communists, so they projected an image of egalitarianism and individuals' rights, and not the image of raw totalitarianism that they intended to act on. So in actuality, the Nazis rebranded themselves to win power, and were so NOT "clearly left-wing." This guy, an actual teacher and historian does a better job of explaining the misnomer. www.google.com/amp/www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001%3famp 2. There is no community under fascism. Fascism preemptively tears down community before it can interfere with the interests of the party in power and the state. Saying that fascism focuses on the community is crazy naive. A fascist state makes sure your neighbors are the first ones to turn you in. 4. You're correct in saying that Mussolini was a leading figure of Italy's socialist wing, and that he opposed the Socialists' objection to war, however you conveniently leave out that he was kicked out of the party for this very reason, and that by the time he became known for the personality we remember him for, he was completely against socialism, fought against socialists and covetted authoritarian power, which goes against the foundations of socialism. 5. It's just so wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism. Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to destroy them. A good source that talks about this is Richard Evans book, The Coming of the Third Reich. 6. Again, national Socialists and Socialists are not the same thing! Everyone say it with me now. National socialists want superiority. They focus on ethnicity, more specifically race, to build pride in one's people and nation. National Socialism is an oxymoron that gets bundled together with socialism, whose aim is equal distribution of the world’s resources among all its peoples, only in name and not in ideology. 7. Progressives weren't the only ones who approved of Japanese internment, many other ideologies were also on the train, however I agree with you that eugenics is an unfortunate detail in America's history of progressivism. Just one of the many consequences of social darwinism that somehow attracted people in the 1920's. Although, the fact that you're associating fascism and the KKK removing religion from schools with today's progressives is so utterly stupid. What does someone think when a Republican politician today says "we're the party of Lincoln?" They think the comparison is retarded, because it's so out of touch. Nice try with the misinformation campaign, though.
Theaterishish Ava the NRA aren’t “giving away” guns to people. They are a political pro-gun organization, meant to represent gun owners. That’s it.The NRA is not responsible for the background checking of weapon purchases. The NRA does not provide, nor advise/direct what weapons people buy, nor how they use them. They are simply an organization of people who are pro-gun, wether for hunting, sport, self-defense, or training, or whatever other reason. No one at the NRA *wants* a school shooting. Just look at the video, anyone representing them gets crucified simply because of some inaccurate assumption that being pro-gun means being pro-murder.
A woman rushed the stage to attack Danna the NRA representative. She had to immediately leave with security. Interesting that CNN chose to edit that out
Or maybe it’s because they wanted to fill their air time with actually important discussion and to not distract/shift attention away from this community who want their voice to be heard.
I don’t even completely agree with Loesch or Rubio necessarily but these people are only hearing what they want to hear. There were very valid points made that even though I didn’t agree with I was able to understand and get behind and the booing and yelling was totally mindless. As a liberal I wish some other liberals had the ability to listen.
@@Mosezgarceay’all some disgusting ppls I hope it’s not a school sitting at talk kids school never ppls never understand anything until it happens to them
@@adambennett805 That is more or less what you need too do. So lets just be honest everyone that is for an assault wepon ban is acualy against all semi auto guns
mario gonzales Exactly! To own a gun and not hurt someone, you just keep it hidden and dont keep amuntition. To vote on the other hand you need to have a deep sense of the reprocussions that your vote will have.
@@sirpillowofbread7904 red waves never have effects on Florida. When there was a red wave in 2014, republicans FLIPPED 34 house seats, 7 senate seats, and 4 governorships by large margins. Rick Scott only won re-election by A POINT that year
I fucking hate that Cameron kid and the dad that stood up to talk to Rubio at the beginning, I fell bad for what happened to them and I know they are emotional right now but they are both just idiotic leftists who literally think Rubio is as bad as the shooter. These are the people who the media is pushing as the “revolutionaries” of the movement.
Hey Donny, stop trying to belittle the future of America with uneducated remarks. these children are standing strong to fight for what they believe in and use their voices. you have no right to take their voice away.
Laura McNeill I'm what way did I attempt to take their voice away? Did I start a petition? Did I attempt to persuade my congressman to ratify the first amendment? If children want to play in the realm of adults fine, but by god they will then be open to the exact same scrutiny you and I both enjoy out in the world of open ideas.
It’s sad that we’re at a point where people can just get booed for trying to explain their own opinion. I️ myself am a liberal and I️ find it disgusting how instead of being able to participate in an intellectual conversation to solve the problem, my counterparts would rather gang up on people having opposing viewpoints to their own.
What do u mean at a point? Thats mean normal for 1000s of years Humans hate submitting to humans be subjective reality doesn't follow subjective reality..subjective reality follows objective reality This happens when someone speaks not out of Self interest completely
When people have tried being civil and have tried being respectful and continue to see atrocities occurring every other month, how can you expect to be civil and peaceful? Peaceful didn't work. Now there are students who haven't even got to see the world yet, who have been closer to death than most of us have ever been. Kids' blood, shed, in classes that are suppose to give them the ticket to see the world, has become a graveyard. Now I am 21, and I can't even fathom going through what those kids went through and being able to stand on a stage. I could not. They're strong and everyone on that stage, who's survived a shooting, who've lost someone to a shooting has every damn right to raise hell. We don't know what our fate is or what the fate of our family members is, and with that let them express their damn right.
Brought tears to my eyes for all the families that have to endure and suffer through tragedies like this...and here it is years later and another shooting in Texas....after watching this video I got very upset and infuriated that many changes still need to happen!!! Do something already!!!!!! For the sake of the children and their futures!!! Do something already!!!!
I love how these same people applauding the sheriff for wanting less guns in the hands of citizens and more power for the police are the same people that just a few weeks ago were crying about police brutality and the cops having too much power.
The thing that people like you don't seem to understand is that nobody thinks all cops commit brutality. See most people can separate groups of people from the actions of a few. I completely disagree with that sheriff on giving police more power to commit people to mental institutions though. I can see so many things wrong with that when the comes to the "bad apples" who will misuse that authority. That should be left up to psychiatrists.
Actually, I take that back. There are people who mistrust all cops due to a long history of bad experiences. That doesn't mean those people are in this room though.
Give credit to the students and teachers for starting this movement. They went through something extremely dramatic and without skipping a beat spoke out and said enough. And credit to CNN for helping them out and bringing this situation to the rest of the country. Tbh guns scare me. In fact i think people who feel like they need to carry a gun in a mall or grocery store are cowards and thugs. It should be much harder for anyone to purchase a gun. It should be the hardest to obtain item in the country. And especially the military assault rifles such as the AR-15 have no place anywhere outside of the military. Handguns fine BUT KEEP THEM IN YOUR HOME. For those of you saying “we need to protect ourselves” that is a cop out.
If you knew you were gonna be on national television and ask the Senators of your state questions, wouldn't YOU premeditate what the questions would be? Journalists do it all the time. Script. Questions. Its to save time.
Well you wasn’t listening he don’t give a fckk until his kids school get shooting up I bet he want to ban them than it if your child get killed you’re going feel the way then parents students and teachers feel
The shooting was terrible no dought, but just because these members of the N.R.A don't say "we are going to ban guns" doesn't mean they don't care about what happened they are trying to get to the root of the problem, and these teenagers don't understand that. They think banning guns is the answer. Even when their questions are being answered they don't listen, all they want to hear is "bann guns" they are clearly not educated enough on guns. This was soo hard to watch because of the ignorance of students and some of the parents.
Emanthegman They have been indoctrinated into Socialism by the corrupt Socialist teachers unions , they are being taught to hate our form of government.
Be that as it may, shootings have been going on for many years and they continue to happen. If NRA are truly working to reach a compromise, then why has it taken this long to do it? Because the way I see it, If the NRA wanted change it would take weeks not decades. Can you blame these kids for wanting to ban guns? They lost their brothers, sisters, friends and teachers. As I said shootings have been going on for years and whatever the Government is doing is not working they need a different approach.
Watching this again 4 and a half years later, and a week after the sentencing of the Parkland shooter. I will start by saying this… in 1993, when I was a senior in high school here in Brooklyn, NY, a student was stabbed and killed in the hallway. Even though it was an isolated incident, metal detectors were installed pretty much immediately. We had to go through them every morning as well as having random scannings. As kids, we all felt like it was an inconvenience, but as an adult I feel like the school 100 percent did the right thing. Unfortunately, we live in a time where every single school in this country should have every possible preventative measure installed. And don’t even get me started on the gun issue!! On another note, I give all the credit in the world to the family members and students who got up on that stage a week after the shooting!! I probably would have been curled up in a ball in my bed.
@@dru70292 I wasn’t even going to respond to this but I have to… all I did was write about my high school experience and that schools should do the same for their own safety… ESPECIALLY if these monsters like the Parkland shooter will still be able to get AR 15’s!! So obviously that’s the OPPOSITE of what you responded with!
@@dru70292 why don’t you reread my original comment?? We wouldn’t need metal detectors if we didn’t have guns or knives brought into schools in the first place!!! Kindly don’t make assumptions about what I’m saying!! Because you couldn’t be more wrong!!!
@@randinatkowitz2487 Guns and knife are already banned from school. If you are advocating for metal detectors then you agree with the NRA. Sorry you can't handle that fact.
@MR. Right I don't know what a survival instance is, but I do know that the banning of semi-auto rifles in those countries hasn't solved shit. The very specific crime of school shootings may have gone down, but the over all statistic of violent murders has actually INCREASED and is continuing to RISE according to FBI and CDC statistics. It's SOOOO bad that they are now trying to ban KNIVES in the UK LMAO XDD If the goal is to save lives then they have FAILED miserably. Nice try though.
MR. Right it doesn’t mean you throw your fellow and future citizens under the bus just because they didn’t do anything wrong. You don’t have the right to stomp on someone’s individual liberty.
LIve in a 'gun free zone'... die waiting for the police. 911 is something you call after something bad happens - it is not a security policy, nor can it work as a fence or a choke point.
kalikasurf i said BARELY, not NOTHING. The founding documents r what we have been protecting. But wut we r not protecting is our image from the rest of the world. Read carefully before u argue
KIEN TRAN we’re Americans.....what do we give a shit about what other countries think of us. Even with the issues we have, EVERYONE is sneaking into our country!!! Dont make ignorant statements, get called on it and pretend that your delicate sensibilities have been injured!!!
The coward Sheriff failed them. -4 Deputies waited outside with their guns (the ones everyone says will protect us) -They visited his home 38 times and nothing happened -FBI was notified twice about him being a potential shooter -The shooter was able to walk off the campus and go to McDonald's -The response time was around 20 minutes -The Sheriff failed. He's the coward.
I am watching this now after the Uvalde school screening. TH-cam recommended. I just started watching, this is powerful. CNN and other media needs to hold these forums more often and ask the elected officials questions. Let these elected officials hear from all people in their communities, not just listen to their supporters.
Yess me too it’s a shame because these kids were begging lawmakers to let their school be the last massacre. Unfortunately it fell on deaf ears because 21 lives were lost in uvalde.
@Big smelly Willy, 2 minutes hate in 1984 is a fictional event in which the authoritarian government provides a scapegoat for all the people to project their anger and frustration onto. Once the 2 minutes of hate ends, they continue on with their subservient lives without changing anything or doing anything else. This is used as a manipulation tactic by the government to prevent people from taking any action to improve their lot, it makes them feel better, like they have done something, but in reality they did nothing but yell at a screen.
Anesu 32 he’s just summarizing what happens in the book & saying how it relates to what our modern politicians do in response to school shootings . tbhhh marco rubio may have gotten the most mixed response of all his colleagues but he’s the only one who seems to understand how legislation in this country works . the people who run this nation are those who have the most $$$ ultimately when it comes to the NRA , once that check or transaction comes the (R) party would accept it in heartbeat with no questions asked . Take for example in countries like the United Kingdom , Australia, & Canada passing laws comes much more smoother cause the government don’t give af about filling their pockets but instead protecting the people within it . It also makes sense why he simply ducked the hard hitting questions cause he knows that he’ll take funding to lessen the laws on firearms , overall this change they present to us won’t come especially with a radical being known as Donald Trump is still in office & if Obama couldn’t do it for Sandy Hook and Pulse it damn sure won’t happen under Trump .
Lena Ghio this is all being orchestrated to take her weapons away. To leave Americans defenseless. Against to take over. Please do your homework. This is happened throughout history. They're using are used as a propaganda tool.
When students wish that weapons of war not be accessible to crazy people, they are not trying to repeal the right to bear arms. What is a tragedy is that the NRA is more intent on selling arms in a country that is free and not at war. They describe the US like a country filled with the Zombie Apocalypse. Is it the GREATEST country in the world or a dead zone filled with people so terrified they need to be weaponized to the hilt on a daily basis? Did you ever have to kill a murderer aiming for you? What makes you think there is one coming towards you now? What makes you believe this killer is armed? The NRA propaganda. The killer is armed thanks to them, so you better be armed to, thanks to them. In the end, who profits? Rubio? Trump? America? Students?
Lena Ghio it is not free. And we are at War. We're at war with people who running this government and the governments around the world. And purposely orchestrating these attacks whether they really kill people or don't in the process.. It's called Problem reaction solution. They create the problem. Cause people to panic and then create a solution to take away more freedoms. . And yes I've had a gun pointed at me twice. My life in jeopardy twice other than that. I had to put a man in prison. And he's not getting out anytime soon. I know what it feels like to have a gun pointed at me and not be armed. I was beaten tortured and raped. I only wish I could have shot him in the f****** head. they want to take weapons away from all Americans. That is their final and ultimate goal. Pay attention closely it is happening to all countries right now as we speak they're doing the same thing. Look what happened in all past Wars when they were able to take all their weapons away. Look at the Holocaust if it did happen. They took all their weapons away prior. And the only people that did survive were the people that were armed.
Lena Ghio add to that if they disarm us. Mass amounts of immigrants from third world countries. With no backgrounds.. adult men of fighting age hundreds of thousands of them. Into every European country right now. look at what's going on in Australia Germany Sweden and Britain. There in distress and unarmed. the clues are all around us.. Take the name Walmart for instance switch a few letters around Mart law. Martial law. Their logo which is 6 lines in a circle. Makes a Jewish star. Now you tell me who's running all these countries.
I am sorry you feel this threatened in America. I sincerely hope that if you have guns you will kill your true enemy and not a member of your family as it happened in my family when a child shot my 15 year old nephew to death while playing. I hope that you never ever need to use deadly force or that it be used against you. You have my sincere condolences.
It’s funny that when the kid asked the very first question to the democratic senator and he didn’t answer the question immediately, everyone clapped and cheered for him. But when republican senator Rubio did the same thing, everyone booed him.
I'm just now catching this video. 27 years old. Been shooting and hunting since I was 6. I completely agree with you. I'm like a half hour into this and have already screamed during work. My best thought, the age restrictions are fine. The background checks are there. But there needs to be more focus on psychology. Obviously I'm pro gun, but I've had education drilled into me, morals drilled into, and practice with tons of experience. So no, at 18 you should be allowed to, handguns are 21 years of age which is also good. If you go into the military, know that we will probably never meet, or hang, or anything else. But I support you. I hope you come back safe. I tried to join but was declined due to epilepsy, so if you join, please do what I could not.
Rex Tracy so we’re old enough to go to school and be killed but half us not able to even acquire a drivers license? Or drive on a highway alone? Or drink?
1:18:54 no one claps for her when she makes a fair point saying the cop should of did his fucking job. fair point for any side, but it's not on the fake news script.
Just trying to switch the blame. A 19 year old kid should have never had been able to buy an AR 15. Fuck the NRA. And where the fuck was your "president"?
Scottish All those facts just invalidate the NRA's talking points. A 19 year old kid should have never been able to purchase an AR 15, and there is no such thing as a "good guy with a gun" who would stop a shooter armed with an assault rifle. Again, the NRA is responsible for lobbying against gun regulations, so they OWN THIS. If a sheriff deputy on scene cannot stop a the mass shooter, where do we go from here to prevent another shooting? Trump should have been at the town hall, but he is a BITCH who hides behind his Twitter.
Scottish We can start with assault weapons such as the AR 15, then limit the number of ammunitions, strengthen the background checks, increase the minimum age. The good guy with a gun and theory is out the window. Keep watching fox news and Alex Jones. TRUMP is a BITCH.
Disagree with Rubio all you want, he's the only one that was actually answering questions, explaining his stance, and giving details to the bills he supports. The others just kept repeating "something needs to be done" ok but what?other than banning the guns, what else? the first kid asked what is being done to specifically make the school safer, there was no answer other than "we will collaborate with the local law enforcement" who literally waited outside while these kids were getting killed.
So if you're reading this right now, I just want to say I don't care what your political party is. You and I both have every right to have children in school with the expectation that they will be safe. That being said it's not just about kids. We should be able to go to fast food joints or country music concerts without someone raining down death from above. People argue that this is about emotions... Which is stupid. Of course people care. They've had enough. They watched people they care about die. This isn't about the myth of a slippery slope. It's not about being armed so we can over throw a government. It's not about Hitler disarming his people. Don't act like for one second you are looking at anything objectively, and that the rest of us are not. This is going to change. Either contribute constructively, or go walk your little baby nuts around the corner. We're here to save the country. To all my like minded brothers and sisters out here just trying to live your little life, trying one way or another to effect change.... STAND YOUR MOTHERF*CKING GROUND.
Wynter Phantom .... 100%. And if someone can't put that benefit of common sense gun laws above their own obsession with guns and/or the 2nd, then they need to do some intense self-reflection...... #justsayin
GUN CONTROL IS PEOPLE OF COLOR CONTROL.... WAKE UP white privilege is assuming you'll never need a rifle to defend yourself white privilege is assuming the police will actually come help you
i agree pete holmes just a other attempt by these white supremacists like wynter phanton and peter woloszyn to take even more rights from people of color look all all the innocent people of color getting shot in the street just think how embolden the racist police will be when we strip the only defense these innocent law abiding people of color have it will be a genocide
What’s sad is that we have gun laws and restrictions. Yet stuff like this keeps happening. So no, it’s not a matter of not having harsh enough regulations and restrictions. If someone is determined enough to get their hands on a weapon, they will get their hands on one. I see so many comments saying that the legal age to purchase a firearm is 18, yet you have to be 21 to legally drink. Yet, 18 year olds can go and serve our country... People don’t want to face the fact that the mental health epidemic in this country is growing. It’s not guns and it’s not the fact that a teenage boy could access one. Normal teenage boys are sane enough to own a weapon and use it responsibly. There were a lot of things that could have prevented this from happening. Perhaps if law enforcement took his threats and comments seriously something could have been done before hand. No sane person makes comments like those. Why wasn’t he taken in for a psych evaluation? And then there are comments saying that we shouldn’t even have guns since they are so commonly used in crimes. What kind of comment is that? It’s in our 2nd amendment that we have the right to bear arms and the minute that is taken away from us, we lose freedom. It doesn’t matter if times have changed since it was written. You shouldn’t take people’s rights because there are mentally challenged people. Perhaps if we stepped up once and for all and actually did something other than shove mental illness under a rug a lot of the tragedies that occur could be prevented.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin. I realize that these people went through a horrible ordeal, but slowly picking away at one of your fundamental rights for governmental security (because, presumably, they're the only option left for defense against criminals such as this murderer ) will inevitably lead them down this same path. Especially if they [the government] fails to protect them at the moment of truth, and more people die because of the devaluing of lives by the killers.
MrCamzeys alright, but how does it hurt law-abiding gun owners that we’re demanding stricter gun control? it shouldn’t. if you’re mentally sane and responsible, keep your gun. but you can’t put them at fault for wanting it to be more difficult to acquire a weapon of war, especially at such a young age.
prettylittlevampires , my problem is not with law-abiding gun owners givingup their own weapons, it is with the people that want to ban assult weapons (like the father who questioned Rubio)because of their subjective need of said weapon and interpretation of the constitution, and those who believe that because I'm a young adult, I cannot understand the value of a life well enough to own my own firearms. If push came to shove and i needed to defend myself from an attacker with a firearm, i would want to have comparable means of defense against the attacker.
prettylittlevampires I don't have a problem with people giving up their firearms becuase of their applicability or neccesity in their situation(s). My problem is with restricting the right, not the need, to own a rifle based off of relative necessities of each individual person. I had an interesting conversation about this with a family member based off of the practicality of owning an assult rifle for defense and i have to say that I agree with them (and you since the argument was relatively the same) on the point that you both gave. But i don't believe that waiting for that time when it's necessity, restricting people from owning/using a rifle because of necessity, and the believe of commiting a crime (going back to the minimum age requirement change), is reason enough to restrict firearm use and purchase.
prettylittlevampires You don't ? So on TH-cam there's camera footage of a group of guys attempting to rob a man's home. A pistol wouldn't have the capacity to fend off 4 guys with pistols. But a school shooter could do as much damage with a pistol. A pistol has a larger caliber but doesn't have the anmo capacity . Even if ar15s are illegal you KNOW a shooter hell bent on killing kids is gonna find one. They can be made with a 3d printer. They won't vanish into thin air
They were never talking about muskets. They founders left the terminology vague on purpose. For this exact situation in the future. This MSM propaganda spin and asinine questioning is unbearable.
I find it very funny to see how seemingly all of you Americans exactly know what the founders meant, why they did something or how they had foreseen the future. I'm guessing the founders if we told the founders that we're sharing our opinion with someone at the other side of the world, they'd make a three-double flip-flop and ask "WHAT?!?!?!". En plus, the founders aren't GOD. Everytime I hear anyone speaking about Jefferson, Madison and Washington (the three that are mostly mentioned) it's like they're the holy trinity or something. You know, ever IF they meant it like you assume they do, they CAN be wrong.
The founding fathers papers are a good idea on how they thought. None of them state a limitatiion on the type of weapon. If you wanna chnage the 2A get 38 states to support a change to it. Otherwise it shall not be infringed.
Yeah, sure they are, but it was also not what I was saying. I said that yelling "the founding fathers said it!!!!" is not an argument in a gun debate. The founding fathers wrote down the 2A like this and until that's changed it will be on paper as such, but it's not an argument to whether it is good or bad. The Founding Fathers were not God, they did not have eternal wisdom and they certainly are not always right. As to your other argument - banning some types of weapons is not an infringement on your 2A. No constitutional right is limitless. They also didn't specify in the 1A what you could and could not say, that doesn't mean you can say whatever the hell you want to.
Zoom Salad, before you get too butthurt over what Leah is saying, remember that Thomas Jefferson straight up agrees with her. Leah is saying that the founding fathers laid a foundation, but that they are not Gods with eternal wisdom. Well......here's Jefferson's words on that very subject. *"But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors"* Basically what i'm saying is that Leah and Thomas Jefferson are in complete agreement. Funny how that quote often eludes these debates. The second amendment is not all encompassing nor was it expected to be. We have made advancements in guns that have far and away eclipsed what was available to the founders and they would certainly agree that in lieu of those advancements, amendments to the constitution MUST be made in kind. Lest we remain as "barbarous" as they were. And we ARE barborous now. Leah is right. Her wisdom isn't at all impaired because she wasn't born an American because her wisdom is shared by one of the greatest Americans of all time. Her "interpretation" of the amendments, or rather, her consideration of them........is exactly in line with what Jefferson wanted. She knows, as well as he did, that the 2nd amendment will be and is NOW.........outdated. Now it's true that 38 states need to support a change to it before change happens and i'm damned sure that change will happen if these kids and the rest of the country continue to push for it. And that's because you can't hurt them the same way you can hurt a political opponent. They literally have nothing to lose and it's making the NRA and conservative republicans cringe hard.
They applauded the loud mouth sheriff that didn’t do his job by protecting them kids. Remember kids 39 complaints went to the department and they didn’t do nothing about it.
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Gotta admit Rubio has balls to stand in a room, surrounded by thousands of people who despise him and everything he stands for, without any allies. It shows he is willing to essentially be crucified for the sake of trying to establish conversation.
VERY few human beings have the courage to do something like that, and I have gained a tremendous amount of respect for him.
DJApok It's a shame the audience didn't want to actually have that conversation. :(
DJApok agreed. I'm a Ted Cruz n Trump are my guys but Rubio was ballsy yes.
I personally like him but in this situation he and the NRA are in the wrong there’s no deny it we will win
@DJA Nothing to do with "guts"; just the calculation that the next time he runs for president, he won't face an opponent calling him a coward for not showing up. He knows that him showing up will stick in memory more than how embarrassing his performance was.
He was only alone cause he’s so called “allies” didn’t want to come it doesn’t matter what the audience did what mattered was the people who were on stage they wanted to talk and were listening and that’s what matters
I will give Rubio this, at least he had the balls to show up to this town hall meeting and answer question. All the other republicans are hiding in Washington
Ryan I totally agree. I'm a liberal, for sure, but I respect the guy for showing up when he knew he'd be the least popular guy in the room. I feel like he did a good job of practicing what he's preaching re: the need for people from opposing stances to communicate and compromise. I'd love it if he'd be for a ban on all assault weapons (as well as a good and proper definition of what should be considered an assault weapon), but I was happy even to just hear him say that he might be changing his stance on high capacity magazines..... Baby steps, I guess? At least they're baby steps in the right direction, though...
He is their senator he really has to go, would look terrible if he didn't go.
Too stupid to realize that Rubio is a goddamn SENATOR OF FLORIDA. You demoturds are goddamn stupid I swear.
Rick Scott was particularly gutless
Really? Such a low standard?! Trump did most debates, do you give it to Trump too?
We need to stop dehumanizing people who have different opinions.
No, they need to stop having inhuman opinions.
KingZ whats the inhuman opinion?
I said it to trigger you SJW's GET REKT.
KingZ Shut your gob and attempt to bring peace to THE EARTH
Guys chill. The audience was not respectful. We must be respectful for them and lead a civil discussion in their place
I`m watching this debate about a year later and what`s left of it? Literally nothing. Does anyone even remember? American politics seriously makes me wanna throw up..
yea man, lke fr tho.. people dont want gun control still...
More gun control wont make a difference. Guns are already everywhere. You think people are just going to give them up? LOL law abiding citizens are the ones getting fucked. Criminals will always get their hands on firearms. Criminals dont obey gun laws. Thats why it will NEVER change.
@@maxxmatlock212 but gun control can help prevent others from getting guns like the dude who got 47 guns at the las vegas shooting LEGALLY and the parkland shooting... it will make a difference and it should be there
Dominik Baumgartner instead of taking guns AWAY they decided to give teachers right to carry guns at school that’s like a STEP BACK
@@shreyassaride194 first of all the shooter had 23 guns, and no matter how many guns he had, a person can only fire one or two at a time. there are already background checks on a federal and state level when you buy a firearm. more laws won't matter, as is evident in other states that have more restrictive gun laws. we already have over 20,000 gun laws on the books. we need less regulation so people can defend themselves against these types of threats more effectively.
Sheriff Israel...your deputies stood outside when these young people deserved an immediate response from your staff. You should be ashamed!
And removed from your position.
Plus, in that rebuttal by Sheriff Isreal said (in his 39 years of law enforcement) that he and his deputies have taken weapons away from mentally ill people in the past. Well, his department visited Cruz's house 39 times...why didn't his experience enact the same response? If the Sheriff is so good at protecting people, he had ample opportunity to do so in that case. I call foul on the Sheriff and his political agenda.
Glenn Quagmire agreed this is just a further Testament that you need to own guns to protect yourself cuz the police are incapable of doing it for you why trust your lives to them when they failed the simple task
Two people wearing "police" type uniform WERE in the room with kids when shooting took place. Was shown on video from phone but has been taken down. No reports on claims of second shooter by students. WHY??? Plenty of time for these stage productions, but no time for real reports?????
He should resign if there is any accountability any more
they didn't go in because there was no shooter.
Did I go down the rabbit hole? Why are they shouting down the VALID point that major mental health red flags were IGNORED?! You can't keep firearms away from every psychopath but a lot could have been done to address this particular gunman.
Ev Ye one of the survivors in another interview said "we weren't surprised when where TOLD who the shooter was. Not at all" that just means the expected it and didn't do a damn thing. I don't think the problem is one specific thing, it's a little bit of everything. It's not black or white, or red or blue. It's an array of colors and there is so much more to the story and the problem. It can't be solved with yes or no answers. And it kept pissing me off that the crowd was shouting things and wouldn't let them finish, and I understand the victims are upset but they need to let them answer or they will accomplish nothing. I have so much respect for Rubio because he didn't start yelling and throwing a fit when people wouldn't listen to him. And the guy in the middle, he was dodging every question and kept answering with "let's just get the guns off the street" even if it had nothing to do with the question. At least the other two actually answered (or attempted)
The shooter was reported to both the police and the FBI. It's them who didn't do anything.
Ev Ye 👏🏻
Didn't like Rubio during the election but he has some big balls going to that....
scott ellam not so big he can't realize that weapons are indeed dangerous
Yeah... I still hope Florida votes him out though
Props to Rubio
If he behaved, like this in the election
I think he would've done so much better
Not really the NRA probably told him to look into those magazines.
the first kid looked dead inside and it broke my heart. siblings are rough with each other, i just hope he got to tell his brother he loved him before he died.
That's what I was thinking.
What a lot of people in the Comments Section don't realize is:
Those kids just survived an attack on their school.
A few days, prior to the airing of this video.
Of course they'll feel this way.
He looked dead inside because they think it’s totally fine to drug small kids and bring them up in single parent homes that is the problem learn some responsibility don’t sleep around don’t have kids if your unable to feed them yourself. These are the problems that need solved long before gun violence.
@@jonk6137 Huh? Who drugged him, how do you know he is in a single parent home. Very random
@@jonk6137 You sound stupid
@@johnnyjoestar7143 his mother died when he was young but he has a step mother
The crowd is only hearing what they want and not listening objectively.
it's what happens when you invite kids and immature adults
Skaarf Is A Badass. Well the kids are the victims. They have every right to be at this gathering.
I think you are right. However, remember they were just victims of a terrible tragedy, and are understandably not particularly looking to hear other viewpoints at that time.
Remember they aren't the only ones seeing this. You and the other 750 thousand people who saw this video also heard the logic and reasoning spoken that night.
Very Disrespectful on the part of many of those minors AND the adults who enabled this CNN setup. True mob mentality where emotionalism supersedes rationality. Loesch needed a private security team just to get in and out of the building.
Too many liberals in the audience. Get conservatives in there to balance it out.
how are these people not roasting the local law enforcement for failing to properly protect them after they had so many red flags about this person?
Right.
Because liberals don't wanna research anything they wanna blame the gun not the people who did it or the people who didn't prevent it
Because of woke culture. The law enforcement guy said what people wanted to hear "guns are bad" who cares what the real problem is go along with the narrative and you get rewarded. Also the questions were all obviously written by CNN and given out to people before hand so of course none of the questions are going to stray from the narrative CNN is trying to push.
They all had their eyes fixed. Comments prepared. The father who lost his daughter, after his questions, when Rubio was speaking, the audience attacked and he smiled. 🤔
Oh that's easy to answer. Because it doesn't support their narrative. Yw👍
This video was made two years ago... and NOTHING has changed. That’s UNACCEPTABLE
did you think it was? literally nobody there gives two shits apart from the victims, not CNN and definitely not the politicians. Your political system has gotten worse, most of them are sprouting Q Anon nonsense or playing party politics.
Because nobody presented anything good
Because all movements in the wrong direction die out.
That is in large degree down to the debate not ebing about the attributes of the gun, how to prevent ILLEGAL guns, how to prevent criminals from getting guns.
When the aargument is to ban assault weapons and then giving the reason that a non assult weapon is used or looks a certain way?
Are all subaru Impreza rally cars, or ar ONLY rally cars, made for Rally actually rally cars, should we than ban a car for LOOKING like one?
What is worse, being shot by a 5 round revolver or a 15 round semi automatic, you are just as dead, and I am sure your family is just as sad.
As to a school shooting, the shooter is determined, this means that if he has o gun at home he goes and gets a gun illegally, now how does making a law so that prevents a shooter from having a gun at home prevent hime from getting one illegally.
Scenario: I have been having thoughts of shooting up my school, I am determined, BUT there is LAW out there preventing me from having a gun at my home?
Does this prevent me from going to shchool and shoot everyone? No in no way does it prevent this.
Since I am determined I now seek out criminal elements and buy a gun. I then take the gun to school and shoot people.
The solution: is to really not solve the problem, by demanding a law that serves no purpose.
After all bank robbery is illegal................do people rob banks? But how can they it is illegal?
Crminals do not care about the law, ergo making a gun law will not in any way prevent people from getting an illagal gun.
Also by the argument that becuse someone used a legal gun to kill a dozen kiids, this was BAD, but the same argument will then by default also say that had he brought an illegal gun and killed the same dozen then everthing is ok, after all it was not a LEGAL gun, and maybe it didn't "look" a certain way
Stop commenting on your soy boy alt David Hogg.
True story. Not a single damn thing changed with gun control
Couldn’t have said it better myself
@@waterblog If the teachers had guns, would the shooter have killed any of those kids? No. This would be like trying to shoot up a gun range.
From what I can tell its that in america you have a right to own a gun its not a privilage like driving a car, it is a right. That have to change if you want to see real gun reform
Now 2024 nothing Happens 😢only bla bla bla
The people yelling in the crowd are just being detrimental to everyone.
Getrundina Melow I understand that. All they did was kill time for others to have a chance of speaking and possibly address whatever they were yelling about. Go to counselling, therapy, loved ones etc., not at a forum to attempt political reform. What they went through was terrible yes, but yelling and being a nuisance was disrespectful to all who want action.
I think they have every right to yell. Get fired up America!
No what was stupid when somebody proposed an idea like better background checks, better mental evalutions to keep the insane from obtaining firearms.....crickets. A person just says "ban ar 15s!" And everybody just loses their minds!
The reaction of the people in the audience keep pissing me off. I want to hear the conversation, not their reactions.
This is what I call the two minutes of hate scene from 1984.
It’s a pep rally.
Honestly this thing would have been a half hour shorter 🤣
Lisa Bella
What are they cheering about? It is a free country and they can do what they want but when they cheer and boo it becomes more like a football game. If they really were traumatized I’d expect them to listen to the conversations and not sound so much like a mob. It’s ironic that the farther in time we go from the shooting the more we find that government incompetence at all levels was by far the biggest factor that allowed this shooting to happen.
Lisa Bella
I said it is their right. It’s just hard for people like me to take them seriously with an obvious mob mentality. Do you think during a criminal trial people in the gallery people are allowed to boo and cheer? I think I can understand what is going on without your help. If you like this style of interaction good for you. Many find it distasteful and I find it less than serious.
"18 year old kids should not have a rifle". I agree, 18 year old kids shouldn't be able to enlist in the military.
The crowd is obnoxious. If you want to actually have a discussion, you need to let your opponents speak. You're not going to get anywhere by screaming whenever your opponents make a point.
I just had this same argument with someone...Make the legal age to own an “assault rifle” 25, but only if our government agrees and excepts the legal age of enlistment is 25 as well...but we all know that’s never going to happen.
AmericaTheBlind I'd prefer, if we are changing these numbers, to be 21. Or, move the drinking age to match at 25. Same with tobacco, gambling, driving a car, etc.
Oh, and voting, too.
That’s fine...I’m down with 21, but it’s asinine to say a child who knows nothing and ignorant to life can go fight a war for political and financial motives at 18, but can’t buy a gun or drink etc. Whether its 21 or 25 the age should change...even though I don’t think that’s going to change what’s happening in our society, and eliminate these mass shootings.
“Be the voice for those who don’t have one” that gave me chills
You know that is a slogan from the pro life movement right?
As a democrat, I can say Rubio did a great job speaking in a whole room against him he tried even with all the boos..this is what starts change dialogue
Alex Rivera Respectfully, my fellow American, I disagree. What starts dialogue is being able to listen to your opponent without interrupting him or calling him a murderer. This was a dog and pony show, not a debate. These people did not want to debate.
Richard Rychetsky I don't know what show you're watching Rubio is not being truthful if you know anything about guns you know about gas recoil and there's difference saying that I don't believe guns the problem but I believe in being truthful
kiss keep it simple stupid of course Rubio is being truthful, you might not agree with his solution but basically half the american people do. Show some respect dumbass
I really liked how you told him to show respect and then called him a dumbass.
Rubio changed his stance on several issues in order to please the crowd. I suppose this is what most politicians do, but I was embarrassed for him. They all still wanted to burn him at the stake in the end regardless.
This cop is saying what he needs to say to get applause lmao.
Pretty much all of them are.
LMFAOO i thought this same shit
Except Dana. She was just talking sense. Sounds like the NRA has the answers and are willing to help but politicians don't want to give up power.
That sheriff is a total D-Bag panderer- his department dropped the ball
He's a corrupt NYC POS that moved south.
Wooowww...... Deflect much Sheriff Scott Israel? You guys dropped the ball. PERIOD.
But also that NRA bitch was trying to make him responsible for every police officer's failure in the entire US. Seriously? HE didn't fail to enter the building. And HE suspended and investigated the guy who did. Yeah, he fucked up. But it's real convenient to try to blame him when the heat is turned up on you and you know your organization specifically pushed to end the very legislation that you are now claiming would have helped prevent the tragedy. Bitch knows damn well they worked to soften mental health provisions in the background check and reporting laws. Sooooo manipulative and dishonest. That's why everyone was booing her. She was just mean spirited and rude and full of crap. Trying to butter up that young student at the beginning. Greasy as hell.
Janessa Welch I'm shocked to see so many anti-gun types applauding a cop lol.
At least both agencies took responsibility by admitting it, when is Trump going to do the same? He blocked Obama-era background checks on the mentally ill.
Like the Terror watch list the NRA HAD to fight the laws because they did not allow the restoration of rights once you recovered OR if you were on the terror watch list by mistake... the NRA is very consistent and by the books...."NO guns for nut-os"
Like the Terror watch list the NRA and TRUMP had to fight the laws because they did not allow the restoration of rights once you recovered OR if you were on the terror watch list by mistake... the NRA is very consistent and by the books...."NO guns for Wackos"
To all the families and students of stoneman douglas school ♥️ I'm so sorry for your loss🙏🏻 hold your head up high and fight for what you believe in!!
Did #GOP senators and #trump keep their promises??
On #gun control???
By the ways Rick scott looks like a MESSED up nazi infantry dude 🤮
What about psychological services? Clearly, our society is fractured. We need stronger families. Let's look at the root cause. What is causing people to kill? Let's figure that out!
ngl, i still think guns kill people...
@@shreyassaride194 guns just kill on their own ?
The Killers are Unhinged Millenials who were raised in a home where there is no Family Unit ! Both parents work and the kid is playing Video games all day !
The root cause of every problem is the lack of meaning in people's lives
Amara Vincent PREACH
Even more disgusting the Sheriff and FBI did NOTHING after being warned about the shooter. Cowardice on the part of this deputy should be prosecuted.Outrageous!!
Jude Blanch i agree... he just stood outside of the building, listening to kids being murdered , kids he was SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING ... he just stood there...
Its amazing how easy it is to make people tools of idiocy and theft of public life and wealth. You parrot what your masters say because you think it's the smart or right thing to say. My NRA book describes taking cover. Not running into a gun fight with a pistol against an AR. When you see events on TV or in the street this has always been how law enforcement has handled these situations and still is. Pure hero fantasies to expect otherwise. More lives will be lost and teachers will be targets, have to leave their kids to go get shot instead of locking doors, and the kids wont be able to get near teachers because the teachers, all of them regardless of concealed weapons or not, will be potential
perceived threats by the shooter. Thank you to Trump for saying that teachers are going to shoot the hell out of them. Trump slaps a bullseye on their back gives them a p shooter and says go get'em while saying we can save money on security. Trump is a sociopathic ventriloquist dummy for the NRA. 700,000 more teachers with guns in schools is the plan he is promoting. He talks like a common person but I really hoped for a smart president.. Are we going to start ridiculing and firing teachers who don't run fast enough to their likely death with a handgun against an AR? They will be the new targets to blame when children die an expected to engage even while officers are trained not to. Officers shoot unarmed compliant people very quickly at one end of the spectrum and there are heroes like you want them all to be but that isn't their training. If you want guns pulled from anyone who has a complaint made about them or seems a little off, lets get that into law and start ripping back some of these 300 million guns out there. I am sure law enforcement would love to make the streets safer for themselves.
I didn't see a solution in what anything you said. Just a giant list of improbable things that have to all go right to get to your fantasy ending after kids have been shot. Schools have long open hallways that are easy for a shooter with a rifle to control despite the imagined perfect response scenario. Nobody has said what teachers will be expected to do specifically yet but Trump said they would save money on security so that sounds a lot like running towards the gunman. Going into the school for LEO's isn't as simple as get 'em and they are too late to get there anyway. Plenty of other ways to set schools up to lock down a shooter, protect students, evacuate students. locking doors, corridors, safe rooms, patents for desks with armor. Im not suggesting a huddling mass of unprotected children. Non lethal weapons distractions. smoke. Use you brain you seem to have one but you have to put that peanut to some wider thought than a hero with a gun fantasy. And just so we're even, Moron. lol
You say government "FAILED" then go on to excuse the people running the government from responsibility. How does your brain work like that? There is no hope if the people in charge don't believe in government or that they have no responsibility. The groups you've named and Trump are in charge and refer to half of Americans as enemies ( Trump, the NRA, the 2nd Amendment, Conservatives, Constitutionalists, Christians, patriots, guns nor their accessories,) but they aren't responsible for failures you say? Leaders in power who only blame other people and more than half the country is weak. Patriots don't call half the country enemies. I have saved all kinds of people and I don't care who they are. You can't even have a conversation without hate, blame, and lies spilling out to maintain your perfect irresponsible stance. The NRA had congress remove the law in 2017 that required the SSA to report to NICS people so severely mentally disabled that they couldn't manage their own social security checks. The NRA and therefore its GOP talking parrots do not want the things you say they do. Hipaa does not get in the way of mandated reporting of abuse, a threat to self, or others Like NRA Dana Loesch claimed. I could go on and on but since you are just picking sides and absolving the people in power of responsibility there is no point.
Here we go the false accusation of a fabricated insult I never made to a person to try to discredit me. This is why it is dangerous to have a discussion with people like you. Your mind creates all sorts of perceived insults and victims who's honor you'll have to what avenge through more lies about me? Sounds like a good guy of course you imagined I said something bad about him to begin with. Your thinking is delusional and you should not have a gun if you do. We are done discussing. I won't be reading anything else you write because you are dangerous and for my own mental hygiene.
Rubio has fair points but people just keep hating. He’s not as bad as people make him out to be, that crowd was really toxic.
Bazz "toxic"
Rubio basically said that he would rather take money from companies then save human lives
So if someone gave you millions of dollars to vote on laws in their favor you mean to tell me you wouldn't do that? Ok so if getting rid of ARs is not the solution then why don't he stop taking the NRAs millions to at least appease his constituents so they don't look at him like he's doing the NRAs bidding? Another thing is that countries like Japan 🇯🇵, Australia 🇦🇺, and the UK 🇬🇧 have tight gun laws and mass shootings are non existent. So that very fact shows that Rubio can do more to represent Florida so to say he can't do much is nonsense and the fact he take the NRA's money makes him look even worse. Especially at this town hall with the words coming out of his mouth.
Toxic is being bought by the NRA as opposed to protecting the people.
I'm not sure these stupid brainwashed zombies qualify as "people"
I’m a conservative high school student. Let me say that guns aren’t the problem. Our society has done a terrible job of promoting personal responsibility.
Joshua Young I’m a liberal highschool student. you can’t remove mentally ill people, but you can remove guns.
Liam Murray I like the way you think
A.J. Fuller
How are you going to do that?
Kurt Vonfricken I can’t really do anything
You are absolutely Right ! and Fake News Media Like CNN doesn’t help !
I really wanted to watch this town hall meeting - to actually hear ALL the thoughts and opinions - but, no, this was NOT a town hall to discuss how to make our schools safe; it was a bashing of any idea that wasn't of an already held democrat position. What a sad waste of an opportunity for an honest, thought provoking , discussion of ideas to make our country a safer place to live. I commend Senator Rubio for having the courage to stand on that stage and speak - when he was actually allowed to do so, without being rudely interrupted - about some solid ideas that could be implemented in order to make all of us safer. Congressman Deutch, who, sitting on that stage, took every opportunity to sneer and show distaste for anything Senator Rubio had to say, was an absolute representation of partisanship, and as such, is a prime example of why real and needed changes, through legislation, cannot be passed in this country.
Susan Warren well said
Agreed
I don’t like Rubio but I commend him for basically going into a room all the people in it against you and still give good answers
Philippe Hunt yeah, they were after him and I think he raised a lot more awareness around some issues people were previously not aware of. I think he killed it, but he also got caught up by some of the students because he didn’t have a clear answer
He's their senator. That's his damn job.
He gets paid multiple hundreds of thousands a year to work essentially 3-4 months a year. No, he gets no credit for that kind of shit.
Nick Jermichalesactionjackson and Hillary Clinton gets millions a year from law firms, oil companies, and foreign countries and people try and claim she’s brave for writing a stupid book where she blames everybody but herself for her 2016 loss
This is why we can't find common ground. Good God, you people are so blinded by party allegiances. You'd probably be pissed if he didn't show up. Why is it that most liberals I encounter act like spoiled children throwing temper tantrums. He's something that will surely piss you off and I don't care, it needs to be said.
We should not be basing policy off the opinions of children. No one denies that they've lived through tragedy and I'm sure everyone empathize with them. But their experience in this matter does not substantiate their opinion over mine and I've been researching political topics for well over 2 decades. I'm sorry, needs to be said. The fact you liberals are putting these kids in the forefront as the voice of our country is disgusting and as soon as you call it as such, they turn around and say we're cruel. You're all being duped and exploited by your political masters yet again. You people really are slaves to this system.
That whole Town Hall was a joke.
So is CNN
Not a town hall. More like a witch hunt mob mentality.
It made me think of Orwell's "2 Minutes of Hate". I would not feel safe standing in the middle of that crowd. An emotional, hysterical mob being manipulated for political purposes is to be feared, history has plenty of examples of that.
MR. Right is an idiot. And a typical liberal moron with a troll account.
North Korea welcomes you.
@@spicecrop ok chill don't answer to this piece of shit that's only gonna make the argument more heated so just ignore this troll son of a bitch
Yes law-enforcement failed why won’t they realize that
Kevin Shauger yeh seriously that’s what pissed me off the most if your gonna blame anyone, blame them. It’s pretty obvious their just using this to push their own agenda I hate this so much
In one mass shooting. What about the other 100’s of mass shootings ?
@@haer8570 Yup they failed in most of the other shootings you hear on the news also, you won't hear anything about when the police do stop a mass shooting those kind of stories don't get ratings and views.
Because that's not the narrative. The narrative is guns are the problem.
That's an easy question. The answer is... Drum roll please.... It doesn't fit their narrative. Yw👍
Rubio was the only one up there not repeating himself for every fucking question
This shit looks more like Wrestlemania than a town hall meeting!
Criticality This isn’t a debate. It is a town hall meeting. 🤦🏻♂️
It's a dog-and-pony show is what it is. What a farce.
You're right, the stage just needs matching black rubber ropes XD
It usually does
It wasn't really a town hall. CNN scripted this and it was a biased bashing. The sheriff/officer was a joke. None of the changes can happen without the votes. The students basically want over 2000, not the 200 on the law they talk about passing. There's no way the votes would come close. The sheriff blames the shooter and is cheered. But when the Dana or Rubio tried to blame the shooter it wasn't accepted with that applause. The lady who lost her daughter Alyssa the soccer player completely from a cue card was a massive joke. Sheriff Israel blames lawmakers while the deputies waited outside for the shooter to stop and sneak out. He wants to build schools harder to get inside. But that makes it harder to get out. Israel lied. The police and sheriff's deputies stood down. Its all sad for the losses, but the meeting is a joke that looks like talk show drama.
Thanks CNN for posting the Town hall for people who miss it.
RockyRockyRoc CNN IS FAKE NEWS
I agree. Thanks. Great comedy from the Clown News Network.
@@stanh8512 or Clinton News Network
Let's pass a law that makes murder illegal. Problem solved.
The teacher is asking for id badges, bullet proof glass, metal detectors... She's on to something right there...
My school doesn't require that. You want to know why? Because it's the firearm owners who need id badges.
do you know how much that would cost?
You understand how much that shit costs? And for every school
Tim Hossain nra is offering school shield grants to schools 🤷🏽♂️
I don’t think this audience was purely anti gun or one sided.
I think it was a room full of hurt and grieving individuals which over anything we should acknowledge and show some sympathy for.
Yes of course but it’s not right to point fingers at ones who don’t deserve to be accused.
How do you expect to have your argument heard if you don't give the person your trying to change to finish a sentence? It's disgusting.
Sinfull that's because it's not a platform to argue. It's there to virtue signal and give the angry mob a face to hate.
The whole thing was scripted anyway
@@pylotlight I see you've never been to any sort of debate or debate class ....you always write your shit before hand
No “weapons of war” or “assault rifles” were using in this shooting. These people need to be educated….
Sorry, the design of the AR was for military use, they were turned into civillian versions with the exclusion of a trigger pack enabling burst or full auto. Nothing else differenciates the two (which are not impossible to attain), the ammunition difference hardly matters when you have zero body armor protecting you. You can buy a mod 0 kit and anything else to have the exact same product as you see on any special forces (military) image - with aftermarket suppliers giving you access to parts of very high quality.
Anyone who ignores this needs to be educated.
@@MT-lv3ls so they’re not weapons of war, no army would give their army a semi-auto rifle…. Thanks for reinforcing my point 🙏🏼
@@dfjdskf9234j4fisd You do know that no army today trains in full auto, it wastes ammo and is inaccurate. Go and use full auto in the Army, you will get hit so fast you'd swear they full auto'd your ass it got kicked so damn quick.
If I was a first responder, or anyone else and I had someone with one of these converted to FA and thousands of rounds on hand running loose I would quit on the spot. But hey enjoy your flex plinking with mates or your doomsday prepping drills. Which is all people really care about.
@@MT-lv3ls well now I know you know absolutely nothing about the military, learn more
NRA spokesman gets booed but when the sherif says the same exact thing everyone cheers
The Sheriff didn't say the same thing as her. She was avoiding placing blame on gun availability and instead blamed mental illness.
The problem is the ease with which this kid was able to buy a gun. Not just him being insane.
She didn't say "we need to ban assault weapons to civilians."
She said "we need to keep them out of the hands of the loons."
Problem is, this ignores the fact that the shooter in this case PASSED A BACKGROUND CHECK and was sold a gun. Her response ignores the entire cause of the tragedy: the kid being sold the gun in the first place. If guns were banned, that shooting would not have happened.
He passed a background check because the sheriff and the FBI shit the bed. Had the system worked, he would not have been able to do so.
TheUltimateBeing 01 I’m pretty sure the NRA lady said we should focus on our background checks and got booed. Then the Sheriff says focus on background checks and got cheered
TheUltimateBeing 01 1:19:35 and 1:28:41
TheUltimateBeing 01 You are right, a bombing would of occurred instead of a shooting... Cruz would of used a bomb instead like McVeigh did....which took out 168 people and 680 injured
so let me get the liberal logic correct...the fbi is notified that a guy wants to be a professional school shooter, they do nothing at all, and somehow guns are the problem? maybe liberals need more education possibly??
paul thomas as a devout conservative will you help legislate that education? Because after Republicans have made every attempt to cut taxes in the last 50 years, there's not enough money for even adequate standards of education. It's a joke on account of Conservative voters.
CHRIS TALKS CRAP you can’t blame shitty schools on Republicans that is so dishonest and ignores so many other factors besides funding
@@iheartlreoy8134 Sure. But Republicans, unless they are big-time philanthropists, do next to nothing to help. They're the anti-education, anti-labor union, pro- mass shootings party.
paul thomas true
Guns are definitely part of the problem moron
I was a teacher in Broward County for nearly 20 years. Red? Blue? Who cares? Children are dead. My heart is broken.
Sheriff Scott Israel should be held responsible for this !! he knew of this kid's behavior.
his department was called on him over 39 times..
the FBI had multiple tips..
the whole school joked about him being a mass shooter... there is no excuse.
1 domestic violence call is all it takes to get a regular person from owning guns for 7 years.
why did they not have him do a psychological evaluation after being called 39 times?
don't let Scott Israel shift his incompetence unto gun laws . IF he ENFORCED EXISTING LAWS ,THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN
Pete Holmes U know who should be blamed the fucking shooter
Exactly right.
Exactly.
Leo, I'm not sure if you were speaking to me directly when you said "dumb ass," but it came back to my replies. As in life, I choose not to disrespect anyone here in my comments. What I will say is that I can only hope you are actually correct in your comment that they were "fake deaths." That would be the best thing ever. That would mean precious children are not gone. Blessings to you.
2 years later nothing has changed
except Bill Nelson lost reelection.
NRA is going down
state law was passed, but its not enough
@@kmc3851 what is NRA?
How is it that they want to avoid 18 yo having guns but an 18 yo can join the military and shoot a gun overseas? 🤔 not buying it.
Willa Wonka Your problem is you’re expecting them to make sense or have any form of foresight.
in military you get instructions on how to handle a fire arm and to respect it when you have one on you
schouvler15 😂 good point, they’re doing the usual
Quille Sanders honestly... if all of that happens I’ll probably be super old and have lived my long life or not have a chance in comparison to a nuke. Between now and then I can at least do my part and try to be a more connected, understanding and healing individual those are the changers in the world, not some money hungry politician. Like Ghandi, Oprah, people who pushed envelopes for women’s suffrage etc it’s bigger than just politics, you can’t fight anger with anger, you need the opposite. At least that’s what I think. 🤷🏾♀️
Willa Wonka... Which is exactly why they DON'T want to change the age from 18 to 21... makes no sense.
If owning any gun is seen as justifiable only after the age of 21, then the same should go for serving the military.
The reason why 18 is the age of majority for the most part these days is because the voting age was lowered to 18, and that was because 18’s the age of enlistment to begin with. But that being said, I do think that the majority of firearm varieties should be reserved for those 21+, and that young adults between 18-20 years old should only own long, less practical firearms.
And voting
@@SuperHeatherrussell Oh you touch a nerve there, that any politician dont want to hear!
I must say, even though I disagree completely with Senator Rubio stands on guns, I applaud him for coming out and speaking his mind and offering his answers to whatever questions may come his way. His opening speech was perfect and completely true. That took guts.
I was a junior in high school when this happened, and although it was across the country, it shook everyone here. I watched my normally stoic criminal justice and civics teacher break down because of what happened in Parkland. She's the one who taught us the constitution front to back, she supported the second amendment, but she told us she never wanted it to get to the point where teachers needed to be armed.
I feel bad for the victims but what a joke this "debate" was. All the comments were 95% emotion and 5% logic. This is exactly what Rubio warned about at the very beginning of his speech.
I hope you're just a troll
yeah thoughts and prayers are the LOGICAL solution to mass shooters. Normalizing mass shootings is illogical.
I think PETA is closer to being categorized as a criminal organization.
I think he's mocking the folks that actually say this about the NRA
Of course the kids are emotional. They just saw their friends and teachers slaughtered. It is time to get emotional and stop the killings.
Even the coach died to protect the kids and 4 cops couldnt do the job they were trained for.
Orwell’s novel becoming a reality right in front of you America
This was the Two Hours Hate.
How many guns do you own sir?
Stanley George
Nazi is an acronym for National SOCIALIST German Worker's Party. (In German) Obviously a self-declared socialist worker's party is very clearly left-wing.
Contrary to popular belief, fascism can be most accurately defined as the political belief that the state is more important than the individual. This belief is what allowed fascists to justify pursuing "racial purification" of humanity. They considered the individual rights of those they killed as less important than the greater good that they fervently believed would come to humanity through the supremacy of a certain race. Essentially, fascism focussed on community, rather than the individual, which is undoubtedly a hallmark of the left wing.
Also, the right-wing is always considered to be more focused on religion than the left, and fascist states were bitterly opposed to religion. The Nazis actually set up a religion called positive christianity which incorporated racial elements and the swastika, and was intended to gradually move Germany away from Christianity toward "mystical Darwinist vitalism" based on ancient Vedic (aryan) rituals. Mussolini was forced to cooperate with the Catholic Church to some extent because the Italian people were overwhelmingly devout Catholics. However, on a personal level, Mussolini was always very contemptuous of religion, and often privately referred to priests as "black flies".
Finally, when fascism was on the rise throughout Europe, it was the ideology of young liberals, based on bold new ideas like eugenics that conservatives shunned.
Mussolini, like Marx and Lenin, saw the party as the vanguard of the working class, a force from without the system that would usher in change. Mussolini was in fact a member of the socialist party of Italy, although he broke with the party on the issue of neutrality during World War I. It was later that Mussolini thought to combine socialism with nationalism, and form a new party. He called the combination “fascism.” A fasces is a bundle of rods, each individually weak while the bundle is strong. Mussolini’s counterpart in Germany called the combination “national socialism.” In Germany, where they like long words, this became “Nationalsozialistische.” In America, where we like short words, this became “Nazi.”
Adolph Hitler was in many ways like Mussolini. Hitler, like Mussolini, was a great admirer of Marx,and was originally a member of the socialist party. Hitler, like Mussolini, served in the army of his country during World War I, and both rose to the rank of corporal. Hitler, like Mussolini, said that the members of the working class were not easily drawn to revolutionary socialism, but were responsive to a combination of socialism and nationalism.
The new national socialist parties of Italy and Germany clashed with the communist parties of those countries. This was a clash of rivals both of which were revolutionary socialist and had the will to power. Then, when the traditional conservative, liberal and democratic socialist parties were in decline, the national socialists rose to power with the support of certain industrialists (we would say “crony capitalists”).
The main difference between Hitler’s form of national socialism and Mussolini’s concerned the meaning of “nationalism.” Hitler thought of nationalism along genetic lines, while Mussolini thought of nationalism along cultural lines. American progressives were, at the time, sympathetic to both points of view. Woodrow Wilson was definitely in the racist camp. Theodore Roosevelt in the cultural camp. Family planning, abortion and forced sterilization were part of the agenda, along with establishing labor colonies for the undesirable elements of society and using public schools to indoctrinate the next generation. In Oregon, the KKK was successful in outlawing private or religious schools until the Supreme Court ruled that to be unconstitutional.
Then came, with the end of World War II, knowledge of the horrors that the Nazis had unleashed upon the world. Certainly, American progressives did not want to be associated with that. So, there was a whitewash of history.
The connections of American progressives with the KKK, forced sterilization, experimentation on prisoners, advocacy of labor colonies, internment of Americans of Japanese descent, and admiration of fascism had to disappear from history. Even more, fascism and racism were redefined as right-wing, instead of left-wing.
that is a GOOD piece of DEFLECTION that has NOTHING TO do with this issue in this society. If the Nazis were so leftist why were they supported by "Conservative right-wing christians?" And why start those death camps for people who were ethnically different? Why so much racism like the KKK? Don't tell me that the KKK is a leftist group? Both are racists and conservative "good christian" right wing shitbags! Just because they used a good idea of nationalism regarding taking care of fellow citizens basic needs does not automatically make them "leftists." Nazis/Hitler hated the Communists Russians.
And by the way, GET THE F*CK OUTTA' HERE WITH YOUR UNRELATED BULL$H!T!!!!!
P Lewin
1. First of all, yes you are correct that the formal name of the Nazi party is the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, however most historians, and really anyone who actually understands the definitions of fascist and Socialist, agree that the name speaks to the image that the Nazis wanted to project, and not what they actually espoused. They wanted to attract workers and lead them away from the Communists, so they projected an image of egalitarianism and individuals' rights, and not the image of raw totalitarianism that they intended to act on. So in actuality, the Nazis rebranded themselves to win power, and were so NOT "clearly left-wing."
This guy, an actual teacher and historian does a better job of explaining the misnomer. www.google.com/amp/www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001%3famp
2. There is no community under fascism. Fascism preemptively tears down community before it can interfere with the interests of the party in power and the state. Saying that fascism focuses on the community is crazy naive. A fascist state makes sure your neighbors are the first ones to turn you in.
4. You're correct in saying that Mussolini was a leading figure of Italy's socialist wing, and that he opposed the Socialists' objection to war, however you conveniently leave out that he was kicked out of the party for this very reason, and that by the time he became known for the personality we remember him for, he was completely against socialism, fought against socialists and covetted authoritarian power, which goes against the foundations of socialism.
5. It's just so wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism. Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to destroy them. A good source that talks about this is Richard Evans book, The Coming of the Third Reich.
6. Again, national Socialists and Socialists are not the same thing! Everyone say it with me now. National socialists want superiority. They focus on ethnicity, more specifically race, to build pride in one's people and nation. National Socialism is an oxymoron that gets bundled together with socialism, whose aim is equal distribution of the world’s resources among all its peoples, only in name and not in ideology.
7. Progressives weren't the only ones who approved of Japanese internment, many other ideologies were also on the train, however I agree with you that eugenics is an unfortunate detail in America's history of progressivism. Just one of the many consequences of social darwinism that somehow attracted people in the 1920's. Although, the fact that you're associating fascism and the KKK removing religion from schools with today's progressives is so utterly stupid. What does someone think when a Republican politician today says "we're the party of Lincoln?" They think the comparison is retarded, because it's so out of touch.
Nice try with the misinformation campaign, though.
Can people be real about this issue that NRA do not control what people do with a firearm
Theaterishish Ava the NRA aren’t “giving away” guns to people. They are a political pro-gun organization, meant to represent gun owners. That’s it.The NRA is not responsible for the background checking of weapon purchases. The NRA does not provide, nor advise/direct what weapons people buy, nor how they use them.
They are simply an organization of people who are pro-gun, wether for hunting, sport, self-defense, or training, or whatever other reason. No one at the NRA *wants* a school shooting. Just look at the video, anyone representing them gets crucified simply because of some inaccurate assumption that being pro-gun means being pro-murder.
@@goofyguuk1966 now you see the lack of knowledge of these people who want to change what they know nothing about.
Marvin Howard ikr
They need a protagonist like in a movie.
Come on, have you seen some of their ads.
A woman rushed the stage to attack Danna the NRA representative. She had to immediately leave with security. Interesting that CNN chose to edit that out
seansimmons73 wow
seansimmons73 because they dont want to let us know the left and these kids are tyrants, which they all are
it's called criminal news network they suck and soon i hear will be out of business
Or maybe it’s because they wanted to fill their air time with actually important discussion and to not distract/shift attention away from this community who want their voice to be heard.
They were yelling to burn her also.
It's important to remember that regardless of opinions people must remain respectful.
The left doesn't follow those rules..
No. Especially on the internet. You can say whatever and nothing happens. It’s great!
Why?
Sam Mitchell Fuck that. People are dying because these pro gun Republican bastard's.
Some opinions are indefensible and disrespectable.
I don’t even completely agree with Loesch or Rubio necessarily but these people are only hearing what they want to hear. There were very valid points made that even though I didn’t agree with I was able to understand and get behind and the booing and yelling was totally mindless. As a liberal I wish some other liberals had the ability to listen.
This was executed like a public hanging, some of those "questions" were so disgusting.
@@theochasid8996 they were scripted, CNN gave out questions, a student came out talking about it.
You people are just sick af.
@@Mosezgarceay’all some disgusting ppls I hope it’s not a school sitting at talk kids school never ppls never understand anything until it happens to them
Rubio: "To close every loophole you'd have to ban every assault rifle"
*Crowd goes wild*
To close every loophole you have to ban every semiautomatic gun
@@MrSinEon oh no!
@@adambennett805 That is more or less what you need too do. So lets just be honest everyone that is for an assault wepon ban is acualy against all semi auto guns
@@MrSinEon sure id be happy with that
@@adambennett805 so you are basicly against the 2A?
Gotta say Rubio has huge balls for jumping into the fire
If 18 to young to own guns then 18 to young to join USA military
+too young to vote.
indeed
Exactly.
No lol omg you have to be extremely thick headed to not see one involves training while the other doesn’t.
mario gonzales Exactly! To own a gun and not hurt someone, you just keep it hidden and dont keep amuntition. To vote on the other hand you need to have a deep sense of the reprocussions that your vote will have.
Why don’t we STOP pointing fingers, and resolve this issue...
Freedom 1 we’re all ears if you have a plan.
I like how Senator Nelson was sitting down all happy with a big smile thinking he had the upper hand. Only to be voted out a short time later. LOL
@Frederic Menjivar Rick Scott is an amazing politician.
He beat Nelson in a blue wave year 😂 imagine his margin in a red wave year, or a neutral one!?
@@sirpillowofbread7904 red waves never have effects on Florida. When there was a red wave in 2014, republicans FLIPPED 34 house seats, 7 senate seats, and 4 governorships by large margins. Rick Scott only won re-election by A POINT that year
@Frederic Menjivar Rick Scott is a fascist conservatard
@@joshuakelley4908 Rubio won by 7.5 pts. in 2016.
@@deus_vult8111 yes yes. Great observation!
Sheriff Scott PLEASE be accountable for your FAILURE~
ISRAEL will never be held accountable for their actions
David Chang He isn't a sheriff. He's a POLITICIAN.
Why didn't he attend?
Saskia Grace sheriff Scott Israel did attend.
so cringey to watch at times
I fucking hate that Cameron kid and the dad that stood up to talk to Rubio at the beginning, I fell bad for what happened to them and I know they are emotional right now but they are both just idiotic leftists who literally think Rubio is as bad as the shooter. These are the people who the media is pushing as the “revolutionaries” of the movement.
that's what happens when you have a generation that eats tide pods to lead your "revolution"
Hey Donny, stop trying to belittle the future of America with uneducated remarks. these children are standing strong to fight for what they believe in and use their voices. you have no right to take their voice away.
GhostofAlanGrant Nope. Those kids spoke with an eloquence and dignity that I would not have if I were in their position.
Laura McNeill I'm what way did I attempt to take their voice away? Did I start a petition? Did I attempt to persuade my congressman to ratify the first amendment? If children want to play in the realm of adults fine, but by god they will then be open to the exact same scrutiny you and I both enjoy out in the world of open ideas.
It’s sad that we’re at a point where people can just get booed for trying to explain their own opinion. I️ myself am a liberal and I️ find it disgusting how instead of being able to participate in an intellectual conversation to solve the problem, my counterparts would rather gang up on people having opposing viewpoints to their own.
Instead off How can you be a Liberal ? If you know anything about Liberals is if you don’t think like them you must be eliminated !
What do u mean at a point? Thats mean normal for 1000s of years
Humans hate submitting to humans be subjective reality doesn't follow subjective reality..subjective reality follows objective reality
This happens when someone speaks not out of Self interest completely
Steve Sanzari most liberals speak out of ignorance and fear neither of those traits are beneficial when confronting a serious issue
@@36742650885 and conservatives don't do the same?
When people have tried being civil and have tried being respectful and continue to see atrocities occurring every other month, how can you expect to be civil and peaceful? Peaceful didn't work. Now there are students who haven't even got to see the world yet, who have been closer to death than most of us have ever been. Kids' blood, shed, in classes that are suppose to give them the ticket to see the world, has become a graveyard. Now I am 21, and I can't even fathom going through what those kids went through and being able to stand on a stage. I could not. They're strong and everyone on that stage, who's survived a shooting, who've lost someone to a shooting has every damn right to raise hell. We don't know what our fate is or what the fate of our family members is, and with that let them express their damn right.
Brought tears to my eyes for all the families that have to endure and suffer through tragedies like this...and here it is years later and another shooting in Texas....after watching this video I got very upset and infuriated that many changes still need to happen!!! Do something already!!!!!! For the sake of the children and their futures!!! Do something already!!!!
😔❤️🙏🕊
@@liviamoon here's some love right back at you;) ♥️
@@flyhigh7918 Thank you. ❤️🤗
@@liviamoon no prob... Hope your night is going well
@@liviamoon what's up?
I love how these same people applauding the sheriff for wanting less guns in the hands of citizens and more power for the police are the same people that just a few weeks ago were crying about police brutality and the cops having too much power.
thats exactly what i was thinking. they think cops are pigs unless they insult an NRA member
The thing that people like you don't seem to understand is that nobody thinks all cops commit brutality. See most people can separate groups of people from the actions of a few. I completely disagree with that sheriff on giving police more power to commit people to mental institutions though. I can see so many things wrong with that when the comes to the "bad apples" who will misuse that authority. That should be left up to psychiatrists.
Actually, I take that back. There are people who mistrust all cops due to a long history of bad experiences. That doesn't mean those people are in this room though.
Time for Broward County Sheriff to RESIGN!!!!!!!
I don’t agree with Rubio but man did I gain respect for him for doing this!
Ron DeSantis giving Scott Israel the boot was one of DeSantis’s best moves.
Gotta give Rubio props for going to a building full of democrats to endure the slander of the audience and students.
gotta give the students and others affected props for going to a building to discuss a terribly traumatizing tragedy
@@andrewmyers__ fr and they had to go back to school and couldn't even hear the ppl who are supposed to protect them reassure them
@@yabsera4975 exactly.
Give credit to the students and teachers for starting this movement. They went through something extremely dramatic and without skipping a beat spoke out and said enough. And credit to CNN for helping them out and bringing this situation to the rest of the country. Tbh guns scare me. In fact i think people who feel like they need to carry a gun in a mall or grocery store are cowards and thugs. It should be much harder for anyone to purchase a gun. It should be the hardest to obtain item in the country. And especially the military assault rifles such as the AR-15 have no place anywhere outside of the military. Handguns fine BUT KEEP THEM IN YOUR HOME. For those of you saying “we need to protect ourselves” that is a cop out.
@@jordanroman841 yes!!!
These questions feel hella scripted
uhm? no.
Well... it is CNN. Lol
If you knew you were gonna be on national television and ask the Senators of your state questions, wouldn't YOU premeditate what the questions would be? Journalists do it all the time. Script. Questions. Its to save time.
It was scripted... i was there and students sent questions before being approved
Hawkie 22 if u were there and u boo and cried over dumb ass shit then fuck u
honestly, i feel like Rubio was the only one that truly answered the questions that was being asked, everyone else just went in a circle
Well you wasn’t listening he don’t give a fckk until his kids school get shooting up I bet he want to ban them than it if your child get killed you’re going feel the way then parents students and teachers feel
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Turning 19 magically makes someone sane.
The change is from 18-21, and, on average, there is a difference.
Sending love and support to all the students and victims of gun violence 💞 keep fighting for change because you deserve it and it’s your right!!
The shooting was terrible no dought, but just because these members of the N.R.A don't say "we are going to ban guns" doesn't mean they don't care about what happened they are trying to get to the root of the problem, and these teenagers don't understand that. They think banning guns is the answer. Even when their questions are being answered they don't listen, all they want to hear is "bann guns" they are clearly not educated enough on guns. This was soo hard to watch because of the ignorance of students and some of the parents.
There are other factors too sure but how will you do a shooting without a gun if banning them doesn't solve the issue?
Emanthegman They have been indoctrinated into Socialism by the corrupt Socialist teachers unions , they are being taught to hate our form of government.
Emanthegman 'ban guns'? Or ban assault rifles?
Exactly
Be that as it may, shootings have been going on for many years and they continue to happen. If NRA are truly working to reach a compromise, then why has it taken this long to do it? Because the way I see it, If the NRA wanted change it would take weeks not decades. Can you blame these kids for wanting to ban guns? They lost their brothers, sisters, friends and teachers. As I said shootings have been going on for years and whatever the Government is doing is not working they need a different approach.
Watching this again 4 and a half years later, and a week after the sentencing of the Parkland shooter. I will start by saying this… in 1993, when I was a senior in high school here in Brooklyn, NY, a student was stabbed and killed in the hallway. Even though it was an isolated incident, metal detectors were installed pretty much immediately. We had to go through them every morning as well as having random scannings. As kids, we all felt like it was an inconvenience, but as an adult I feel like the school 100 percent did the right thing. Unfortunately, we live in a time where every single school in this country should have every possible preventative measure installed. And don’t even get me started on the gun issue!! On another note, I give all the credit in the world to the family members and students who got up on that stage a week after the shooting!! I probably would have been curled up in a ball in my bed.
That is what the NRAs shield programs does. Thanks for agreeing with the NRA.
@@dru70292 I wasn’t even going to respond to this but I have to… all I did was write about my high school experience and that schools should do the same for their own safety… ESPECIALLY if these monsters like the Parkland shooter will still be able to get AR 15’s!! So obviously that’s the OPPOSITE of what you responded with!
@@randinatkowitz2487 Yeah and you mentioned metal detectors at schools, which is what the NRA recommends. So you agree with the NRA.
@@dru70292 why don’t you reread my original comment?? We wouldn’t need metal detectors if we didn’t have guns or knives brought into schools in the first place!!! Kindly don’t make assumptions about what I’m saying!! Because you couldn’t be more wrong!!!
@@randinatkowitz2487 Guns and knife are already banned from school.
If you are advocating for metal detectors then you agree with the NRA. Sorry you can't handle that fact.
No one is ever 100% safe. Breathe people.
@MR. Right Getting rid of them isn't the answer either
@MR. Right I don't know what a survival instance is, but I do know that the banning of semi-auto rifles in those countries hasn't solved shit. The very specific crime of school shootings may have gone down, but the over all statistic of violent murders has actually INCREASED and is continuing to RISE according to FBI and CDC statistics. It's SOOOO bad that they are now trying to ban KNIVES in the UK LMAO XDD If the goal is to save lives then they have FAILED miserably. Nice try though.
MR. Right it doesn’t mean you throw your fellow and future citizens under the bus just because they didn’t do anything wrong. You don’t have the right to stomp on someone’s individual liberty.
Taking GUNS away isn't the answer to GUN deaths?
I actually side with Rubio this time... what he is saying is right
Agreed.
I’m so proud of these students. They are truly amazing and I hope something gets done about this.
Read the protocols of Zion
Sadly, nothing did, because 21 innocent people died at a school in texas.
getting assault rifles off the streets won't change anything
Black Dragon it won’t make a huge difference but it will
Black Dragon wtf is this stupid logic?
CRINGEWORTHY.
Rose Noire although I support gun control, this was cringe af
Did you vote for Trump?
live by the gun die by the gun.
LIve in a 'gun free zone'... die waiting for the police. 911 is something you call after something bad happens - it is not a security policy, nor can it work as a fence or a choke point.
This little bitch said she was supposed to be at a funeral tonight but it was more important to go on CNN. Disgusting creatures.
why are americans so good at avoiding questions?
Stacynow were also good at avoiding tyranny
We r also good at supporting barely anything necessary
KIEN TRAN yeah, like supporting the founding documents are unnecessary..... youre the smartest tard in your class, arent you.
kalikasurf i said BARELY, not NOTHING. The founding documents r what we have been protecting. But wut we r not protecting is our image from the rest of the world. Read carefully before u argue
KIEN TRAN we’re Americans.....what do we give a shit about what other countries think of us.
Even with the issues we have, EVERYONE is sneaking into our country!!!
Dont make ignorant statements, get called on it and pretend that your delicate sensibilities have been injured!!!
The coward Sheriff failed them.
-4 Deputies waited outside with their guns (the ones everyone says will protect us)
-They visited his home 38 times and nothing happened
-FBI was notified twice about him being a potential shooter
-The shooter was able to walk off the campus and go to McDonald's
-The response time was around 20 minutes
-The Sheriff failed. He's the coward.
I am watching this now after the Uvalde school screening. TH-cam recommended. I just started watching, this is powerful. CNN and other media needs to hold these forums more often and ask the elected officials questions. Let these elected officials hear from all people in their communities, not just listen to their supporters.
Yess me too it’s a shame because these kids were begging lawmakers to let their school be the last massacre. Unfortunately it fell on deaf ears because 21 lives were lost in uvalde.
They talk and talk and nothing happens
This reminds me of 1984
Heather Walker why
@Big smelly Willy, 2 minutes hate in 1984 is a fictional event in which the authoritarian government provides a scapegoat for all the people to project their anger and frustration onto. Once the 2 minutes of hate ends, they continue on with their subservient lives without changing anything or doing anything else. This is used as a manipulation tactic by the government to prevent people from taking any action to improve their lot, it makes them feel better, like they have done something, but in reality they did nothing but yell at a screen.
Poor analogy. This is what the people want not what the Corporate owned politicians want.
Anesu 32 he’s just summarizing what happens in the book & saying how it relates to what our modern politicians do in response to school shootings . tbhhh marco rubio may have gotten the most mixed response of all his colleagues but he’s the only one who seems to understand how legislation in this country works . the people who run this nation are those who have the most $$$ ultimately when it comes to the NRA , once that check or transaction comes the (R) party would accept it in heartbeat with no questions asked . Take for example in countries like the United Kingdom , Australia, & Canada passing laws comes much more smoother cause the government don’t give af about filling their pockets but instead protecting the people within it . It also makes sense why he simply ducked the hard hitting questions cause he knows that he’ll take funding to lessen the laws on firearms , overall this change they present to us won’t come especially with a radical being known as Donald Trump is still in office & if Obama couldn’t do it for Sandy Hook and Pulse it damn sure won’t happen under Trump .
My condolences to all families who lost loved ones to gun violence.
Lena Ghio this is all being orchestrated to take her weapons away. To leave Americans defenseless. Against to take over. Please do your homework. This is happened throughout history. They're using are used as a propaganda tool.
When students wish that weapons of war not be accessible to crazy people, they are not trying to repeal the right to bear arms. What is a tragedy is that the NRA is more intent on selling arms in a country that is free and not at war. They describe the US like a country filled with the Zombie Apocalypse. Is it the GREATEST country in the world or a dead zone filled with people so terrified they need to be weaponized to the hilt on a daily basis? Did you ever have to kill a murderer aiming for you? What makes you think there is one coming towards you now? What makes you believe this killer is armed? The NRA propaganda. The killer is armed thanks to them, so you better be armed to, thanks to them. In the end, who profits? Rubio? Trump? America? Students?
Lena Ghio it is not free. And we are at War. We're at war with people who running this government and the governments around the world. And purposely orchestrating these attacks whether they really kill people or don't in the process.. It's called Problem reaction solution. They create the problem. Cause people to panic and then create a solution to take away more freedoms. . And yes I've had a gun pointed at me twice. My life in jeopardy twice other than that. I had to put a man in prison. And he's not getting out anytime soon. I know what it feels like to have a gun pointed at me and not be armed. I was beaten tortured and raped. I only wish I could have shot him in the f****** head. they want to take weapons away from all Americans. That is their final and ultimate goal. Pay attention closely it is happening to all countries right now as we speak they're doing the same thing. Look what happened in all past Wars when they were able to take all their weapons away. Look at the Holocaust if it did happen. They took all their weapons away prior. And the only people that did survive were the people that were armed.
Lena Ghio add to that if they disarm us. Mass amounts of immigrants from third world countries. With no backgrounds.. adult men of fighting age hundreds of thousands of them. Into every European country right now. look at what's going on in Australia Germany Sweden and Britain. There in distress and unarmed. the clues are all around us.. Take the name Walmart for instance switch a few letters around Mart law. Martial law. Their logo which is 6 lines in a circle. Makes a Jewish star. Now you tell me who's running all these countries.
I am sorry you feel this threatened in America. I sincerely hope that if you have guns you will kill your true enemy and not a member of your family as it happened in my family when a child shot my 15 year old nephew to death while playing. I hope that you never ever need to use deadly force or that it be used against you. You have my sincere condolences.
It’s funny that when the kid asked the very first question to the democratic senator and he didn’t answer the question immediately, everyone clapped and cheered for him. But when republican senator Rubio did the same thing, everyone booed him.
no one on the planet watches CNN and doesn't realize it's 97% democrats
This not politics 🤡 it’s kids lives maga illiterate delusional disconnected from reality until it hit home close to you
Your all in my pryers. I pray for safety and healing in this world. From Australia 💛
This is the 2 minutes of hate that George Orwell predicted.
Julio Lopez love that book!!
So im old enough to get my ass sent over seas and die for this country but I'm not supposed to be allowed to own a rifle?
I'm just now catching this video. 27 years old. Been shooting and hunting since I was 6. I completely agree with you. I'm like a half hour into this and have already screamed during work.
My best thought, the age restrictions are fine. The background checks are there. But there needs to be more focus on psychology. Obviously I'm pro gun, but I've had education drilled into me, morals drilled into, and practice with tons of experience. So no, at 18 you should be allowed to, handguns are 21 years of age which is also good.
If you go into the military, know that we will probably never meet, or hang, or anything else. But I support you. I hope you come back safe. I tried to join but was declined due to epilepsy, so if you join, please do what I could not.
Rex Tracy why do you need a rifle when not fighting for the country? It’s ridiculous. You do not NEED a rifle.
YOU DO NOT NEED A FUCKING RIFLE IN YOUR HOME YOU NEED A RIFLE TO FIGHT A WAR LEARN THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE
Rex Tracy so we’re old enough to go to school and be killed but half us not able to even acquire a drivers license? Or drive on a highway alone? Or drink?
A guy called Lamont
What’s the problem with rifles? Most murders are committed with pistols. It’s not even close.
Why did 4, I REPEAT 4 Broward County Deputies REFUSE TO GO IN THAT SCHOOL WHILE SHOOTING WAS GOING ON?
LaRee Weatherman they should not have be able to still have their jobs because they are part of the reason that 17 people died
Great question. They should all be fired
And prevent fire rescue and ambulance workers from going in and saving those bleeding out!
LaRee Weatherman that's because all of this has been orchestrated. Purposely done to disarm Americans.
Mel G Yep!
Anyone else coming back after the Texas school shooting just to see how it was in fact nothing but talk
1:18:54 no one claps for her when she makes a fair point saying the cop should of did his fucking job. fair point for any side, but it's not on the fake news script.
Minty Mint LOL YEP!!!
Just trying to switch the blame. A 19 year old kid should have never had been able to buy an AR 15. Fuck the NRA. And where the fuck was your "president"?
Scottish All those facts just invalidate the NRA's talking points. A 19 year old kid should have never been able to purchase an AR 15, and there is no such thing as a "good guy with a gun" who would stop a shooter armed with an assault rifle. Again, the NRA is responsible for lobbying against gun regulations, so they OWN THIS. If a sheriff deputy on scene cannot stop a the mass shooter, where do we go from here to prevent another shooting? Trump should have been at the town hall, but he is a BITCH who hides behind his Twitter.
Scottish We can start with assault weapons such as the AR 15, then limit the number of ammunitions, strengthen the background checks, increase the minimum age. The good guy with a gun and theory is out the window. Keep watching fox news and Alex Jones. TRUMP is a BITCH.
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Tell me how banning assault rifles would have stopped this school shooting?
this is a fucking circus. Unreal
even the host looks disappointed with how it turned out
Disagree with Rubio all you want, he's the only one that was actually answering questions, explaining his stance, and giving details to the bills he supports. The others just kept repeating "something needs to be done" ok but what?other than banning the guns, what else? the first kid asked what is being done to specifically make the school safer, there was no answer other than "we will collaborate with the local law enforcement" who literally waited outside while these kids were getting killed.
If teachers should just teach then policemen should police, sheriff. Meaning they should go in there and engage the active shooter. Sheriff.
What a disgusting, immoral comment from that kid who said they can't look at Rubio without seeing the shooter.
So if you're reading this right now, I just want to say I don't care what your political party is. You and I both have every right to have children in school with the expectation that they will be safe.
That being said it's not just about kids. We should be able to go to fast food joints or country music concerts without someone raining down death from above.
People argue that this is about emotions... Which is stupid. Of course people care. They've had enough. They watched people they care about die. This isn't about the myth of a slippery slope. It's not about being armed so we can over throw a government. It's not about Hitler disarming his people. Don't act like for one second you are looking at anything objectively, and that the rest of us are not.
This is going to change. Either contribute constructively, or go walk your little baby nuts around the corner. We're here to save the country.
To all my like minded brothers and sisters out here just trying to live your little life, trying one way or another to effect change.... STAND YOUR MOTHERF*CKING GROUND.
Wynter Phantom .... 100%. And if someone can't put that benefit of common sense gun laws above their own obsession with guns and/or the 2nd, then they need to do some intense self-reflection...... #justsayin
GUN CONTROL IS PEOPLE OF COLOR CONTROL.... WAKE UP
white privilege is assuming you'll never need a rifle to defend yourself
white privilege is assuming the police will actually come help you
i agree pete holmes just a other attempt by these white supremacists like wynter phanton and peter woloszyn to take even more rights from people of color look all all the innocent people of color getting shot in the street just think how embolden the racist police will be when we strip the only defense these innocent law abiding people of color have it will be a genocide
We stand with Marco Rubio and Trump!!!! We support the NRA 100%
What’s sad is that we have gun laws and restrictions. Yet stuff like this keeps happening. So no, it’s not a matter of not having harsh enough regulations and restrictions. If someone is determined enough to get their hands on a weapon, they will get their hands on one. I see so many comments saying that the legal age to purchase a firearm is 18, yet you have to be 21 to legally drink. Yet, 18 year olds can go and serve our country... People don’t want to face the fact that the mental health epidemic in this country is growing. It’s not guns and it’s not the fact that a teenage boy could access one. Normal teenage boys are sane enough to own a weapon and use it responsibly. There were a lot of things that could have prevented this from happening. Perhaps if law enforcement took his threats and comments seriously something could have been done before hand. No sane person makes comments like those. Why wasn’t he taken in for a psych evaluation? And then there are comments saying that we shouldn’t even have guns since they are so commonly used in crimes. What kind of comment is that? It’s in our 2nd amendment that we have the right to bear arms and the minute that is taken away from us, we lose freedom. It doesn’t matter if times have changed since it was written. You shouldn’t take people’s rights because there are mentally challenged people. Perhaps if we stepped up once and for all and actually did something other than shove mental illness under a rug a lot of the tragedies that occur could be prevented.
Amen
Your correct the root of all this is mental health .. make sure ppl are okay and they're doing fine
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin.
I realize that these people went through a horrible ordeal, but slowly picking away at one of your fundamental rights for governmental security (because, presumably, they're the only option left for defense against criminals such as this murderer ) will inevitably lead them down this same path. Especially if they [the government] fails to protect them at the moment of truth, and more people die because of the devaluing of lives by the killers.
MrCamzeys alright, but how does it hurt law-abiding gun owners that we’re demanding stricter gun control? it shouldn’t. if you’re mentally sane and responsible, keep your gun. but you can’t put them at fault for wanting it to be more difficult to acquire a weapon of war, especially at such a young age.
prettylittlevampires , my problem is not with law-abiding gun owners givingup their own weapons, it is with the people that want to ban assult weapons (like the father who questioned Rubio)because of their subjective need of said weapon and interpretation of the constitution, and those who believe that because I'm a young adult, I cannot understand the value of a life well enough to own my own firearms.
If push came to shove and i needed to defend myself from an attacker with a firearm, i would want to have comparable means of defense against the attacker.
MrCamzeys ok, then keep your handgun. but you don’t need a rifle
capable of taking dozens of life in a few seconds to fight off a robber.
prettylittlevampires I don't have a problem with people giving up their firearms becuase of their applicability or neccesity in their situation(s). My problem is with restricting the right, not the need, to own a rifle based off of relative necessities of each individual person. I had an interesting conversation about this with a family member based off of the practicality of owning an assult rifle for defense and i have to say that I agree with them (and you since the argument was relatively the same) on the point that you both gave. But i don't believe that waiting for that time when it's necessity, restricting people from owning/using a rifle because of necessity, and the believe of commiting a crime (going back to the minimum age requirement change), is reason enough to restrict firearm use and purchase.
prettylittlevampires You don't ? So on TH-cam there's camera footage of a group of guys attempting to rob a man's home. A pistol wouldn't have the capacity to fend off 4 guys with pistols. But a school shooter could do as much damage with a pistol. A pistol has a larger caliber but doesn't have the anmo capacity . Even if ar15s are illegal you KNOW a shooter hell bent on killing kids is gonna find one. They can be made with a 3d printer. They won't vanish into thin air
They were never talking about muskets. They founders left the terminology vague on purpose. For this exact situation in the future.
This MSM propaganda spin and asinine questioning is unbearable.
I find it very funny to see how seemingly all of you Americans exactly know what the founders meant, why they did something or how they had foreseen the future. I'm guessing the founders if we told the founders that we're sharing our opinion with someone at the other side of the world, they'd make a three-double flip-flop and ask "WHAT?!?!?!". En plus, the founders aren't GOD. Everytime I hear anyone speaking about Jefferson, Madison and Washington (the three that are mostly mentioned) it's like they're the holy trinity or something. You know, ever IF they meant it like you assume they do, they CAN be wrong.
The founding fathers papers are a good idea on how they thought. None of them state a limitatiion on the type of weapon. If you wanna chnage the 2A get 38 states to support a change to it. Otherwise it shall not be infringed.
Yeah, sure they are, but it was also not what I was saying. I said that yelling "the founding fathers said it!!!!" is not an argument in a gun debate. The founding fathers wrote down the 2A like this and until that's changed it will be on paper as such, but it's not an argument to whether it is good or bad. The Founding Fathers were not God, they did not have eternal wisdom and they certainly are not always right.
As to your other argument - banning some types of weapons is not an infringement on your 2A. No constitutional right is limitless. They also didn't specify in the 1A what you could and could not say, that doesn't mean you can say whatever the hell you want to.
Pixie9012 they had cannons, too. nitwit
Zoom Salad, before you get too butthurt over what Leah is saying, remember that Thomas Jefferson straight up agrees with her.
Leah is saying that the founding fathers laid a foundation, but that they are not Gods with eternal wisdom.
Well......here's Jefferson's words on that very subject.
*"But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors"*
Basically what i'm saying is that Leah and Thomas Jefferson are in complete agreement.
Funny how that quote often eludes these debates. The second amendment is not all encompassing nor was it expected to be. We have made advancements in guns that have far and away eclipsed what was available to the founders and they would certainly agree that in lieu of those advancements, amendments to the constitution MUST be made in kind.
Lest we remain as "barbarous" as they were.
And we ARE barborous now.
Leah is right. Her wisdom isn't at all impaired because she wasn't born an American because her wisdom is shared by one of the greatest Americans of all time. Her "interpretation" of the amendments, or rather, her consideration of them........is exactly in line with what Jefferson wanted.
She knows, as well as he did, that the 2nd amendment will be and is NOW.........outdated.
Now it's true that 38 states need to support a change to it before change happens and i'm damned sure that change will happen if these kids and the rest of the country continue to push for it.
And that's because you can't hurt them the same way you can hurt a political opponent. They literally have nothing to lose and it's making the NRA and conservative republicans cringe hard.
They applauded the loud mouth sheriff that didn’t do his job by protecting them kids. Remember kids 39 complaints went to the department and they didn’t do nothing about it.