Classical Composer Reacts to Walk in the Shadows (Queensryche) | The Daily Doug (Episode 109)
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In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to the the opening track off of Queensryche's second studio album, Rage For Order. The song is called Walk in the Shadows, and we're viewing their official video for the song (as listed on their TH-cam channel). It's not flashy or complicated, but it's an effective rock song. I enjoyed it!
Reference Video: • Queensryche - Walk In ...
Another vote here for Suite Sister Mary. Definitely the most ambitious piece they recorded, and features orchestration and a chorus. Plenty to talk about.
The whole album was great. The mission is my favourite.
@@wou79 Best Prog Metal Album Ever!!! my favourite is Speak
SSM is just amazing. On another note, I wish you'd listened to the studio version of Walk in the Shadows. You want high? Check out his studio stuff.
The ending of SSM is epic.
Agree. In “take hold…” Geoff jumps from his natural baritone to E5 in the blink of an eye.
It’ll definitely impress any vocal coach out there.
While your on a Queensryche trip, listen to Suite Sister Mary!
yesss
Yip
just go all in on operation mind crime..
And get the priest too!
@@johnnyalphabet 25 bucks a Fuk and johns a happy man
Most of Queensryche's work with Chris DeGarmo as lead guitarist and harmonic singer before he became a business plane pilot, no that's not a typo, is incredible. Works like Queen of the Reich, The Lady Wore Black, Screaming in Digitial, The Mission, Suite Sister Mary should be on the list. And I know that's far from all that should be. Super underrated band.
DeGarmo is absolutely one of the most underrated guitarists in heavy metal. Shame he doesn't do music anymore.
Steve Morse almost went full in as an airline pilot too with smaller jets though. Then he got the call from the Deep Purple camp.
DeGarmo what the soul of that band. They weren't the same after he left
Entire Rage for Order album is one of a kind.
A vastly underappreciated album.
I think "Rage" is the Ryche's finest hour.
@@natejacobs5879 agreed
My favorite QR album
Damn right. The 80s weren't my favorite decade for rock, but every track on Rage is 🔥
Geoff is actually a natural baritone, but he can sing really high as well. I think a much better song to listen to is Take hold of the flame. The live in Tokyo performance is excellent. I Will Remember from VH1 unplugged is also great.
Good pick. I've seen a couple of vocal coach TH-camrs reacting to/analysing that performance. Geoff's first high note always prompts some interesting facial expressions.
I think the studio version of WitS hits a bit harder than this live performance for Geoff. In the THotF Tokyo performance he isn't falling short or subbing. Just killing it. When Geoff's voice was on he really was mind blowing.
Yes. Take Hold the Flame definitely shows his low to high range much more than this one does. I Will Remember also shows his vocal talent too. I was at one of those unplugged shows.
Agreed, I kept thinking the whole time Doug should do Take Hold Of The Flame instead. ;-)
Yes... take hold of the flame!
Geoff is actually a Baritone but has an incredible range.
Yeah, I read him say that. He does go really low in Silent Lucidity. Micheal Kiske of Helloween sounds a lot like him. Is Kiske a baritone too? He too can go pretty deep.
@@crisoliveira2644 They are both Tenors, this fairy tale of Geoff tate being a Baritone spread around, but it is simply nonsense. Geoff does have a nice round lower register, but that does not a Baritone make.
Geoff and Kiske sound similar because they use the same technique. Their technique is often called early bridging. Basically they start using mixed voice before their voice actually demands it.
The reason they use early bridging is that their music often spends most of the time above the vocal break, so it is less effort for then to sing in mixed voice the whole time than to be constantly making the register shift. It is a reversal of the traditional approach, rather than push chest voice up, they push head voice down into the chest register.
@@juyifan7933 To my ears there is nothing that says tenor about Tate's voice, he definitely sounds much more natural in his lower range and there's nothing about his high notes that would indicate that he's a tenor. Actually tenors usually have a much harder time pulling off a head voice/falsetto like that than baritones.
Yes, Geoff is a Baritone who can sing up into the Tenor range, much like Matt Barlow.
@@juyifan7933 He's definitely not a tenor
Anybody Listening from Empire, great song
Honestly, a good chunk of Empire and Operation: Mindcrime are incredible. My personal favorite from each album is Jet City Woman and The Mission, respectively.
Rage for Order had state of the art production in it's day. The synths used at the time were all cutting edge. You should give the album version a listen.
A true fact about the recording of Operation Mondcrime. The cymbals and some other different percussion were layered in over the drums. The drum tracks were not recorded as a whole per se. I was told this by a now famous re Orting engineer named Steve Evetts. He recorded a couple of albums for a thrash/ death metal band I was affiliated with in the late 80-90's. Steve has recorded albums for Sepultuta, Symphony X, Devil Driver, Hatebreed, Sucicidr Silene, and Dillinger Escape Plan.
I saw in 2001 on México City Iron Maiden, Rob Halford and Queensryche.... the Best voices from a era of heavy metal...in 6 hours of show!!! Awesome!
Wow. That’s ridiculous!! Trying to think of my best one. Maybe Maiden, Dio, and Motörhead. Lemme is no classic singer but you know 🤘
I was at the Chicago venue. \m/
@@RedLP5000S Brave New World Tour...and Halford....mmmm ¿Resurrection Tour?
Brave New World, Resurrection, and Q2K, if I'm not mistaken.
I saw that tour in Detroit and Dio was also on the bill. By far the best lineup I've ever seen.
Queensryche is one of my all-time favorite bands!! I am so happy to see you taking on some of the songs of this band. I would highly suggest the CD Operation: Mindcrime, but specifically, for your background, the song Suite Sister Mary.
@@ytusersumone I stopped after Q2K...just couldn't bring myself to keep trying.
Strange choice for your first Queensryche song. Yes, an enjoyable powerful Rock song... You will definetly enjoy their concept album - or let's say Metal Opera - "Operation: Mindcrime". "Suite Sister Mary" would be a great choice.
Maybe it's because I'm just partial to F# minor but this is my favorite Queensryche song.
Almost every queensryche song on albums ‘Rage for order’, ‘operation:mindcrime’, ‘empire’, and ‘promised land’ is a masterpiece
For me, its EP, Warning, Rage, and Mindcrime.
true
Don't forget "The Warning "
a few fillers on Promised Land but the great songs are AWESOME.
Another vote for Suite Sister Mary!
Queensryche were fucking awesome in their prime.
Still say Metropolis Pt. 1:The Miracle and The Sleeper by Dream Theater is well worth your time. Fantastic melodies and very interesting time signature changes.
Yes, absolutely. Anything by Dream Theater would be awesome.
Suite Sister Mary from Operation Mind Crime is a must...
This video is from the 1991 "Building Empires" tour, where they played the "Operation: Mindcrime" album in it's entirety for the first time. This was the second song of the show.
Yes Sir! That was my 1st “real” concert, with Suicidal Tendencies opening. The night I learned what a mosh pit was.
My favorite live Queensryche performance is Take Hold of the Flame, the live version in Tokyo, highly recommended. Also, their Operation: Mindcrime album is phenomenal from start to finish.
That was a live recording. He hits even higher notes on the studio recording.
Absolutely, that scream right after the guitar solo in the studio version is amazing, and I truly missed it here.
I agree, was hoping for the studio. Great deep track choice.
Was coming to say this.
I've heard plenty of Queensryche, but haven't really seen much of them live. Their stage presence is just amazing. The way they were moving around on stage as they performed was pretty awesome; it's always cool to see that the musicians themselves are emotionally invested in what they are playing. I also love that Doug took the time to look up the lyrics to understand what the song was about. Doug, I think you would LOVE Stargazer by Rainbow though! One of the original epic rock songs. I really think you'd enjoy it.
Roads to Madness Detroit 91......you won't be sorry.
Queensryche is one of the Big Three of progressive metal, the other two being Dream Theater and Fates Warning. Geoff Tate high range is insane, "Take Hold Of The Flame" is a clear example.
Also, again, I'll drop a suggestion: "Stargazer" by Rainbow. Me and I bet more people would love to hear your insights on the compositional aspect of that song and why it is awesome.
I keep hoping that someday we'll have a Fates Warning reaction.
@@powerslave7876 ‘The Guardian’ or ‘Kyrie Elaison’.
Fate’s Warning - criminally underrated
As a La Brie-hater from the start, I have often dreamed of THE prog metal band of Tate-Petrucci-Kevin Moore-Myung-Portnoy. (Or add Chris De Garmo as second guitarist and then with strong songwriter pick your favorite DT keyboard player. For me it's Kevin Moore as he seemed to be the soul/heart of that band and wrote the best tracks. Tate is/was much more than his range - for example his vocals in 'Someone else' is ... well something else! 8)
Fates! I would like to see him do Fates.
2112. Album version. I'll never stop.
Seconded. You will lose your mind
It's on the list. Soon!
@@Doug.Helvering Suite Sister Mary. Live or album version, does not matter. Both are perfect. Rock/metal opera. Plus a guest female vocalist to spice things up. You will not regret.
HA!! Love this
Take hold the flame (live Tokyo) and Empire are 2 other songs that is a pretty different variations than Silent Lucidity and Walk in the Shadows. They really have covered a lot of range with their music. Their music covered as much range as Geoff's voice does.
Queensrÿche was the biggest name in progressive metal before Dream Theater became synonym with the subgenre, though now it's more common for prog metal bands to be more on the extreme side of metal.
An underrated song that came out a bit later and truly shows.off Geoff's voice is Someone Else, from Promised Land. Mostly just Tate and a piano, but extreme emotion and amazing vocals.
I’m throwing in on Suite Sister Mary as well! Sheer brilliance!
Doug, you must react to the song Take Hold of the Flame !!! Tokio version...
Their 'Roads to Madness' track from that era would be better for a composer reaction IMO
Yes. I requested Suite Sister Mary many videos ago. The official version is live, taken from the Video Mindcrime DVD. The whole album is gritty metal opera. Read the entire lyrics and change about four words and it's applicable today.
Cant believe you reacted to this one. Damn amazing!!!!!
Thanks. Queensryche have really good song. In particular I like the moody ones, such as Jet City Woman or Empire. But they are quite straight forward songs. If you want to hear high background singing notes check out Mike Anthony of Van Halen in for example Best of Both Worlds, from Live without a net-DVD.
I love Queensryche! Ever since the 80’s. I saw them in concert about 15 years ago at Universal. It was a GREAT concert!
Thanks again for this review. I love Queensryche music with Geoff Tate as vocalist. After he quit, I lost the whole band. They still üerform today and they still are a good band. But tje voice of Geoff together with their music was and is unique.
Their song ‚Wanna get close to you‘ was at the time very important to me after an emotionel bad unlucky episode. 🙂
From Queensryche, i think someone already say to listen Take The Hold of the Flame. But i also would like to sugest When The Wild Wind Blows, from Iron Maiden.
From a composition standpoint, there are better choices: Suite Sister Mary, Roads to Madness, Take hold of the Flame, Lady Jane, London, Anybody Listening, or Someone Else.
More to consider
1.Somewhere in time of IRON MAIDEN
2.Epic of Faith no more
3.Sleepless nights of King Diamond
Definitely Epic!
I first time I heard this song was in 1986, when the album Rage For Order was released. I was reading an interview with Ozzy Osbourne and the interviewer said something like, "Hey Ozz, who you listening to these days?" Ozzy answered "Queensryche, "Rage For Order". The next day I went and bought the album.
At one point, they were my favorite band. I saw them on the "Building Empires" tour, when they played Operation:Mindcrime in its entirety. Straight 2 hours and 10 minutes. Geoff's voice almost held through the entire show. I'm surprised it held as long as it did.
I read an interview where they said this was written in their Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles phase. This song makes complete sense when viewed through that lens.
he has a naturally unbeliavably DEEP vpoice actually.
He is just an outstanding singer
I didn't know - after listening for decades to this song - that what I wanted was you to play backing piano on it. Nicely done on the fly.
For something of theirs on the proggier side I would suggest Suite Sister Mary, one of the crowning jewels of their celebrated concept album Operation Mindcrime. This live performance with Pamela Moore is mesmerizing: th-cam.com/video/8CZGion20E4/w-d-xo.html
The entire Empire album is 100% epic win. So good with a mix of jazz, prog rock and metal
Gotta love the piano as you played along. Just beautiful.
Maravilhoso Doug!
Parabéns! Aqui no Brasil nós sempre reconhecemos o Queensryche como uma das grandes bandas de Metal!
Muito técnicos, com melodias bem complexas...
E sua análise está espectacular... muito legal!😀
I'm sure many will love Take Hold of the Flame. The studio is great, but also great live with live in Tokyo 1984-5.
I love this track and it stood out when I saw them on the Empire tour where they did the entire Operation: Mindcrime album live. Amazing show and Suicidal Tendencies opened!
Silent Lucidity is one of the greatest songs to me in my life time. It got me through a lot of my not so good high school years.
absolutely loved your piano take on this at the end ... beautiful.
Have always loved QR and this album is probably my fave. But more importantly, one of the most knowledgable reactions I've seen.
I believe their standard tuning is a half step down....Eb. So when you are playing a C#, they are really playing it as a D but tuned down a half step. F# is a G, etc. Pretty standard tuning for hard rock and metal during that time....before the insane tunings of today.
This was in the 90's. Check out their live performance from tokyo in 85.
Another vote for Suite Sister Mary! The entirety of Mindcrime is a rarity at that time. A well thought out rock concept album, while Motley Crue was putting out pop-ish "Girls, Girls, Girls" and "Dr Feelgood", guitar players everywhere were still coming to grips with Yngwie Malmsteen's neoclassical virtuosity resulting in bands like Racer X and the rest of the shred factory coming from Shrapnel Records.. David Lee Roth had split with Van Halen, Joe Satriani released his 1st big album "Surfing with the Alien" and thrash metal bands like Voivod, Metallica, Slayer and Megadeth etc were obliterating what many thought rock and roll was. Mindcrime, while certainly of the era (when I was in high school/college and IMMERSED in it all as a guitar player), is still a standout I personally think has aged well. However, we must all have the acknowledgement, the songs and sounds of those formative 15-20 something year old days, will always be our most endearing auditory touchstones. It's still Elvis for my 78 year old uncle Ned, Miles Davis The Beatles for Dad, Fleetwood Mac for Mom, Depeche Mode for my younger sister and will be some band I've never heard of for my 12 year old nephew. Above them all, resides a musical genius of the modern era, Zappa. Please do play this score on the piano: th-cam.com/video/CyH8A_XPXeM/w-d-xo.html
Cheers!
Try Queensrÿche - Take Hold of the Flame live in Tokyo 84, you will not be disappointed.
You are correct. There is a tremendous amount more to this band than what the radio reveals.
The Mission, or Suite Sister Mary...Also by Queensryche, they are a bit longer songs.
Suite Sister Mary - great song!
Love your reviews. It helps me better understand the songs I like.
From Rage for Order, check out "I Will Remember" and "Neue Regel"
On the studio version, right after the guitar solo, Geoff hits and "ear piercing" scream which he doesn't do live. Made me sad. He can't sing like that anymore but back in the 80's he was the best vocalist in Metal. His range was as wide as the Grand Canyon. To experience that check out Take Hold of the Flame from Tokyo '84 Live.
New subscriber here. Love the reactions and really the musical opinions from a classical composer. Now that you've brought Queensryche to your library of videos. My recommendation would be for you to do the whole Operation Mindcrime Album in it's entirety. I just listened to your Rush 2112 - which was fantastic by the way and well worth the 30 plus minute watch/listen. So if you want to do a long video again, the whole Operation Mindcrime album is about an hour (maybe you could split it up over 2 videos, or two drinks!). In my opinion it's one of the top five albums of all time, their other works are great, but that album is fantastic. And it really needs the whole album, not just one of the songs (I see all the Suite Sister Mary requests), to capture everything as the album is a story from beginning to end. Much like 2112 of course (BTW, if you're looking for another Rush song, try Cygnus X-1 Book 1 and 2 about 30 minutes for both songs).
Thanks!!!
About Queensryche, I'm looking forward for Doug's reaction on:
1) Suite sister mary
2) Silent Lucidity
3) Eyes of a stranger
suite sister Mary from the live in Madison WI, best version ever!!!!
Check out I Will Remember, Take Hold of the Flame, Roads to Madness or Suite Sister Mary or Anybody Listening all great Queensryche songs
+1 on Roads to Madness for a composer reaction
Tate is a baritone with phenomenal range, a clean head voice, and DeGarmo writes almost all their stuff in minor keys (and regularly plays complimentary chords with Wilton). As others have said, Suite Sister Mary.
yesss Queensryche!!
As others said before me...the epic Suite Sister Mary!!!With "I don' tbelieve in love", they are my favorites from Operation Mindcrime.
1 of the greatest albums ever recorded!
Your accompaniment sounds so beautiful. ❤!
i'd say the memorable part is the swapping guitar solos, and then how the guitars join together in harmony at the end of the guitar solos. Chris DeGarmo and Michael Wilton were a beast together. They are super technical guitarists. May I suggest checking out Eyes Of A Stranger, Della Brown, and even I Will Remember (unplugged).
Wait until you hear Geoff’s natural speaking voice! Deep baritone. Really makes you appreciate his range. Please take a listen to the live version of Take Hold Of The Flame from Tokyo. Great demonstration of his vocal ability.
Chris Degarmo mostly on backing vocal. He's a commercial pilot now, I pray for the day I hear Captian Degarmo on a flight introduction. Tremendous guitarist and Songwriter. Geöffnet Tate the vocalist is actually a baritone speaking voice.
This is A personal all time favorite song to me from Queensryche. This is off the Rage For Order Album 🤘👊🙂 💘
Doug, thanks for doing this. If you like this song, pls do search for an "analogue" version, either on vinyl or here on youtube. The production value is amazing! And of course, his vocals. Peace out, from Singapore.
you should check out Starless by King Crimson, one of the best songs ever written on the entire universe imo.
OMG ! 2:49 I loved this piano chord fill and the sustain.
When CDs came out this was my first one :) Great headphone album.
Got Queensrych's entire discography 👍🔥 Operation Mindcrime is a must listen from start to finish.
Take hold of the flame Tokyo live
The Road to Madness is one of my favorites.
Holy shit! Old Qeensryrch! Home run for this old metal.head.
Love to see you......LIsten and Play......Just GO For IT.
Devin Townsend- Spirits will Collide....bombast and choir's, your cup of tea
Seen em 3 times. QR. Big fan. Love your show. mtw in L.A. Ps: they often open with Walk In shadows.
All of their earlier stuff is classic.
Check out Blind Guardian - Wheel of Time, it's perfect for your breakdowns with orchestral pieces aswell!
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Definitely listen to the studio versions of these - Geoff was a beast in the 80s.
This love version is really tasty. But you should treat yourself to the studio version. Geoff is all over those notes and even hits higher ones on the recording. The entire Rage For Order album is fantastic. They went in a slightly different direction for that album. Then came back with the masterpiece "Operation: Mindcrime" which has to be listened to in it's entirety since it is a rock opera. You would enjoy that one. The true gems of Mindcrime are: I Don't Believe in Love, Operation: Mindcrime, Spreading the Disease, The Mission, Suite Sister Mary and Eyes of a Stranger. But again. Should be listened to in it's entirety. Keep up the good work.
Man I would love to hear you do piano versions of some of these songs. The noodling around you do on the spot sounds better than a lot of piano versions I've heard of songs.
Queensryche is my favorite band, my top 5 Queensryche songs:
1. Silent Lucidity
2. I don't believe in love
3. Operation Mindcrime
4. Anybody Listening?
5. Best I can
queensryche great musicians great band underrated
Geoff's speaking voice is quite deep, I always wondered why he sings so high most of the time.
Hey Doug, if you end up doing another Queensryche reaction video, I would highly recommend something off their first concept album (and my personal favorite of theirs) Operation: Mindcrime from 1988. There's some really incredible song writing on it and lot's to explore.
This is one of my favorite Queensryche songs. The Lady Wore Black, Queen of the Reich, The Whisper, Another Lonely Night, and Jet City Woman are also really good. Anyways, some people have pontificated that Geoff is actually a baritone with a great range.
For the record, that is actually a live version from “ building empires” tour.
That track is fully live.
The only official video from Rage for Order was Gonna get close to you. I wouldn't call this an official video because it was filmed during their 'Building Empires' tour.
Piece of advice.. always listen first time original version of any song. Some think it's not necessary but I say it's a must.
All this love for "Suite Sister Mary" in this thread makes my heart happy. This is a must listen.
Great reaction and insight as always. You will probably be interested in an earlier tune, NM 156 from The Warning, a prophetic sci fi tune, it's killer! these guys are an equal part Prog rock and metal.
You should listen to SUITE SYSTER MARY!
That’s what I was thinking when I saw this video.
You said that this song would be a great first song to open an album or concert. You genuinely comprehend their energy because it is the first song on the album Rage for Order. I'm not going to recommend a song for you to check out but I will recommend an entire album by them. Operation Mindcrime is without a doubt the best compilation album ever made. It is absolutely a masterpiece of perfection. Of Story, production, engineering and musical ability. All members are super talented. Grab a bite to eat and a couple of cold ones and put on the headphones and you will fall into the plot. Mindcrime=Mindblowing! Cheers!
Suite Sister Mary has a lot more orchestration and drama and mood.