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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- 1952-9-23 Municipal Stadium, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Jersey Joe Walcott (51-16-2) vs Rocky Marciano (42-0-0)
World Heavyweight Championship
Referee: Charlie Daggert
Judges: Pete Tomasco, Zach Clayton
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The Ring Magazine Fight of the Year 1952
"I have always adhered to two principles. The first one is to train hard and get in the best possible physical condition. The second is to forget all about the other fellow until you face him in the ring and the bell sounds for the fight." -- Rocky Marciano
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
Ooto 😊😊😊😊😊
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
No he's not. Gene Tunney ended his heavyweight career with no defeat.
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
Rocky Marciano 🎵 simply the best , better than the rest 🎵
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
MARCIANO=PERFECTION!
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
HEROES GET REMEMBERED, BUT LEGENDS NEVER DIE!
If they weren't ruined before, they were after.
"What could be better than walking down any street and knowing you are the heavyweight champ of the world." - Rocky Marciano
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
ROCKY PROVED THAT HEIGHT, WEIGHT, REACH, EXPERIENCE, DON'T MATTER!
Respect for fellow boxers. Something Ali never learned. 😮
Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
Marciano Magnificent Perfection
Wherever Marciano went, destruction followed
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
Rocky is the pinnacle of heart, courage, and determination of his time.
Rocky was relentless and fought with brutal fury.....a champions desire to win at all costs.....and the perfect gentleman outside of the ring.
49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is
Rocky my favorite!
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
@@Samantha_Lavery_Medici Other fighters had more finesse. But none of them during the Rock's era were better conditioned, could hit as hard or had as much heart and desire to win. That's why he went undefeated during his reign as heavyweight champion. Had he not retired in 1956, he would have run into such up and comers as Floyd Patterson, Ingmar Johansen and maybe Sonny Liston. It's anyone's guess who would have come out on top in those matches.
"In the ring, i never really knew fear." - Rocky Marciano
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
MARCIANO=PERFECTION!
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
"Rocky would often take a nap in the dressing room before a big fight. The kid had ice water in his veins." -- Rocky's manager Charlie Goldman
"I have always adhered to two principles. The first one is to train hard and get in the best possible physical condition. The second is to forget all about the other fellow until you face him in the ring and the bell sounds for the fight." -- Rocky Marciano
If he would have..he never would have been undefeated...
Great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...a beast in the ring...and class outside of it...put The Rock in with anyone!
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
"Rocky would often take a nap in the dressing room before a big fight. The kid had ice water in his veins." -- Rocky's manager Charlie Goldman
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is
Joe Walcott was a great fighter. He hit like a mule kick and could take a hard punches and combinations with barely any effect, then keep on fighting like nothing hit him at all. In boxing history, he is under rated, and if he were fighting today, would beat most, and perhaps all Heavy weight opponents. ROCKY MARCIANO, well, one of a kind. Incredible endurance, as fresh in the last round, as in the first. Exceedingly aggressive, tenacious and very strong He could take the hardest punches thrown at him and keep fighting as if he didn't get hit at all. Marciano was one of the hardest punchers in history. If we are talking pound for pound, I would say he is the hardest puncher. I'm almost certain, if fighting today, or any time in history he would beat any Heavy weight, why you may ask... Style. As George Foreman has said: "Marciano was right at your chest, the minute the bell rang." He gave fighters with longer arms no room to box and set him up. In the words of Muhammad Ali: “Marciano hit harder than Joe Frazer." and continued by saying: " No other fighter in history could take a beating like Marciano,' with his nose split in two and partially hanging off, and continue fighting, knocking out his opponent. You have to be born that way, it can’t be taught or learned in the gym.”’
empirical43 a few words to that pile of garbage
Ted lowery ,Colley Wallace, and the host of young youthful fighters he ducked and avoid who wouldn't stand for any bollocks and who wouldn't take any shit from. Anyone .
Roberto Day-Are you talking about Walcott or Marciano?
empirical43 grandad and road sweeper beater sloppy mafiano of course
empirical43 How would Ali know how hard Marciano hit? Your quote doesn’t ring true. Where did you get it?
From the computer fight they did.That was a 45 year old and very out of shape, fat from overeating, Marciano, mind you
Don't be fooled by his size or awkward style, Marciano was a beast.
Marciano Magnificent Perfection
Wherever Marciano went, destruction followed
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
MARCIANO=PERFECTION!
"Why waltz with a guy for 10 rounds if you can knock him out in one?" - Rocky Marciano
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
One of the things I love about Rocky is after every round no matter what he just goes back to his corner and never gets upset with any fighter.
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime.
40yr old cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was already fighting pro when little Rocky was only 7yrs old!
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease in 1951.
*Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the little 189 lb cruiser. Exactly 95% of Moore's 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruisers.
*Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky quit bcz he was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. I have the source.
*If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, and his trainers (Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera, Bill Gore) said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
In the 11th and 12th rounds , Rocky and his brother even admitted that Walcott beat him up so badly that they were unsure if Rocky could continue the fight after each of those rounds. 12th round especially into the mid point of 13th, Joe looked like he was about to finish it. Had Walcott been 25 to 30 yrs old instead of 40, he definitely would have finished it.
@@Bobby.D.1776get out of the past and stop making excuses for yourself🐸🍿any jackass knows why boxing lost it's audience ?
Any one of those 50 people would have bitch slapped you or me!
@@Bobby.D.1776Indeed! Long before the ALS, Ezzard had killed Sam Baroudi inside the ring in 1948 and he lost his killer instinct after that.
Obviously prime Louis from 1938-1944 , would've destroyed Rocky and prime Charles would've beaten Marciano too
Walcott and Moore never would've beaten Marciano and the only reason that Walcott was dominating in their first Title Fight was because Rocky was blinded for 4 rounds .
All of the top young Heavyweights like Valdes, Baker Henry, Jackson, Walls and Buccerino never got a shot at the Title.
Rocky was smart to retire on top at 32 years of age. He wasn't brain damaged like Louis Charles, Ali, Frazier, etc.
Archie Moore was 39, and on a 21 fight win streak, the longest of his career, all against younger opposition. He was prime. Joe Walcott was 38 and the Heavyweight Champion. He was also prime. Charles was 33, a year and a half older, and prime. Louis was 37, but had just won 8 straight. Rocky only had four years under his belt when he faced Joe Louis. Rocky had great wins over great fighters and champions.
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Charles, Walcott and Louis were all unquestionably far past their primes.
Moore was 41 actually, he was born in 1914 according to his mother.
this was the greatest effort of walcott's career, he fought like a man possessed, not wanting to give up the belt. and ironically he engaged in a slugfest with Marciano despite the fact that he was a slick boxer. one of the best fights ive ever seen. these guys were throwing haymakers from the opening bell. Marciano was the greatest late round fighter that ever lived.
That Right of his!!!
Gotta give Marcianos pressure, aggression n his power punching credit for Jersey Joe having a slugfest, it was that or get KOd defending/Waltzing
The most overlooked and underrated aspect of Marcianos game was that he was really difficult to keep at the end of your punches and land the jab on. His overall defense wasn’t anything special but his jab defense in particular was really good, he rarely got hit with jabs as a contender to champion
yeah but jersey joe got knocked out in the rematch in the 1st round because he remembered the 13th round shot that crippled him and he could have gotten up but didn't want to take another shot from old rocky
Jersey Joe Walcott was 38 in this fight and Rocky 29! That is quite a big age gap. That's why Rocky is not rated as the greatest, he did fight a lot of older fighters, Joe Loius and Archie Moore, etc! Rocky also had big gaps between fighting to keep himself strong!
Yes he had huge punching power, but i don't he could have handled Joe Frazier let alone ALI!
Ezzard Charles spit his nose in their first fight, ALI would have cut his face to ribbons and the fight would have been stopped!
ALI beat Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman! Rocky never fought men of that caliber, except Ezzard!
What a fascinating fight. Walcott looks like the best of our modern fighters... size, power, physique and skills. Marciano is a total anomaly. He's small(184 pounds), and very unorthodox. Yet he's always stalking, and relentless. He has dynamite in both hands. What a devastating KO.
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You're very true I boxed a long time and not much has changed from the 1910s 1908 until Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali course did the road to go he also pulled you in and pulled you down where you out hold on your neck these old fights are really good
If you like these older fights look at jet Jack Johnson he was a modern boxer
Walcott is nowhere close to the best of modern fighters. Both of these men are snail slow brawlers.
Marciano is the single greatest fighter this sport will ever produce!
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
HEROES GET REMEMBERED, BUT LEGENDS NEVER DIE!
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
What an outstanding fight. Two monster legends, RIP.
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
@@Jabbing_Jack I think you are being a little hard on Marciano. That first fight with Walcott required the heart of a lion to win. Walcott was punishing Marciano badly but Marciano never quit. Most fighters would have laid down and taken the lose. That fight and the fight with Charles, where Marciano's nose was split, tells me all I need to know about the guy. He wasn't a quitter. He was smart enough to quit while he was ahead and still have a fully functioning brain.
@@Jabbing_Jack You sound like a leftist with your little hate spat. You got the point accrues you hate the fact Rocky Marciano was the only undefeated heavy weight champion of the world and a Sonny Liston fan but hey you can't change real history as much as you people like to think so. Here is a little fun fact, Rocky never ducked anybody ever and beat their ass equally regardless of race, creed or color and here is another little fun fact, it took his wife to talk him out of boxing or he would have ran that record up even more. He was a equal opportunity ass kicker. Deal with it.
@@Jabbing_Jack Sonny Liston was best ever, wasn't he? 🙂
@@Jabbing_Jack here you are you black racist troll doing everything you can to troll rocky. You just can't stand that rocky beat up your black idols and retired undeafeated.
I’m going on 87 years old and remember watching this fight through a furniture store window. The store would turn on a black and white TV, and turn it toward the storefront window. Always liked the Saturday Night Fights.
I was around 15 years old.
this must have been a time when balding men ruled the world.
it was fought on my 15th birthday and i am now 84 the date is 7-27-22
WOW !!!!!! THAT IS GREAT !!!!!!!! You cannot forget that !
You witnessed the pinnacle of the sport of boxing in your day. And, the pinnacle of this greatest country on Earth, the United States of America.
@@thejerseyj5479🇺🇸 😁👍👍🇺🇲 ,👍😁 🥊💥🥊💥🌠🌛
This fight was the first time I ever saw television! I was in the first grade, and a friend of my Dad had a television set...the only one in town! Thanks for reviving my memories!
Joe Walcott was an awesome fighter.. He was just too damn old in this fight. Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily.
To be fair, Joe was smart enough to know Rocky wasn't hurt after that 1st round Knock down and took a longer approach to the bout. He was going for a points decision, and he was ahead on all 3 scorecards into the 13th round. I'd say if Rocky hadn't fooled him so expertly in that final exchange, had they not been throwing at the same time, Walcott would've retained the belt.
Rocky said "that night I thought Joe was the greatest boxer in the world!" He said he learned a lot from it.
@@paysonfox88 "Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily." Yeah, ok, lol.
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
*By the 1950s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers around the world were trying to get their hands on some. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s and by the 1950s they were prolific* 💊🤢💉
*To think millionaire Marciano was drug free is ludacris. During his time Marciano was the most popular athlete in America and he had Best Physicians helping him!!!*
💊💊💊🤢💉💉💉
Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%.
Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%.
Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
My all time favorite Heavyweight championship fight. This upload is the best quality in the world bar none. Thanks so much!
70 years later and this is still impressive.
Indeed. What an abrupt ending!
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach.
Shocking isn't it.
Those other small guys weren't so small after all.
They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems.
On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!
If little Marciano had just ONE draw (48-0-1) everyone would have abandoned his ship long ago. But his '0' is the ONLY thing that keeps him afloat. Marciano's top 10 ranking is determined by computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man made program was coded to exclude WEIGHT from the equation. That's why 165 lb 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible 185 lb Marciano ranks higher than Fury Ibeabuchi Holmes Lewis Bowe Vitali Wladimir Foreman etcetera? Now we know why. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165 to 275 lbs, ranking bodies still exclude WEIGHT from their metric, yet they acknowledge (17) different WEIGHT classes, imagine that. Top 10 rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt!!! Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.
Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he had 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Charles/Moore ranked higher than Spinks? Because they fought little Marciano which automatically makes them immortal even though they Lost "FORTY-EIGHT" times and were "KTFO-FOURTEEN" times. It's no wonder HOF Greats Jimmy Cannon and Bert Sugar said, "Marciano's era was horseshit."
@@Robert.Levi.Miller You're a crazy brown person, aren't you?
He was a high-school dropout who worked a series of dead-end jobs - delivering coal, laboring in factories making candy, beverages, and shoes, slinging hash in a diner, digging ditches, clearing land, and fixing sidewalks. But Marciano had two world-class skills. He could absorb a frightful beating, and he could knock men out cold. “I was a nobody,” he was fond of saying. “In the ring, I became a somebody."
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
"Rocky's punches were equivalent to a small car hitting you." - Peter Marciano
"Rocky would often take a nap in the dressing room before a big fight. The kid had ice water in his veins." -- Rocky's manager Charlie Goldman
The chins these guys used to have, it's unbelievable
Would of hated to see some of these guys in later life.they would be vegetables.
@@joshuatree5620 ... yea I knew a man back in the early 1980's from the late 40's and 50's pro boxing scene in Oakland ca. ... he was damaged severely from the " sport " .... walked with a limp .. had a slurred speech impediment ... drooled from his mouth considerably ... he was a vibrant man despite his permanent injuries .... God bless him ....
And I'll bet they had little to no padding in those gloves. 🙄
@@joshuatree5620 well recived
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Walcott was an all time great fighter who probably beats any heavyweight in history on that night. His movement, agility, punching power and guile would be a nightmare for any heavyweight in history. I believe this was his greatest performance. He just went up against the most relentless and determined heavyweight in history. The Marciano right hand bomb that ended the fight was so monstrous that it sounded like a thunder clap. According to ringside observers, women and children ran toward the exit signs of Municipal stadium crying because they thought Walcott was dead.
@studentofsweetscience I agree that Walcott might have thought that Marciano was not on his level but I think he knew he had to hold his ground and get Marciano's respect, especially early in the fight. Also, it would be very hard for somebody to move for 15 rounds without running out of gas. Marciano actually got stronger as the fight went on. His conditioning and belief in his strength were unbelievable. Walcott was incredibly slick but also tough and powerful in his own right.Some of the exchanges they had in the middle rounds were ferocious. Neither fighter had any fear of the other. The lead left hook that dropped Marciano early was a great shot . Walcott starched the great Ezzard Charles with a similar punch. It seemed like once Marciano got warmed up he became almost indestructible, because Walcott hit him with much harder shots later in the fight and Marciano didn't blink. This was no doubt a great fight between 2 truly great fighters.
@studentofsweetscience I had Walcott winning the Joe Louis fight as most people did, however Marciano was a pure pressure fighter where Louis was a stand up boxer. Walcott was able to rest in spaces throughout the Louis fight. Marciano forced the pace by constantly coming forward. No doubt Walcott was in tremendous shape and didn't really slow down much in the Marciano fight. He just got caught on the chin by one of the great shots in ring history. Jersey Joe Walcott's courage might have cost him the championship. Right before the knockout shot, Walcott backed up to the ropes trying to make Marciano walk into a shot. Marciano shuffled forward and threw a range finding jab that was not intended to land but to measure Walcott. The jab also turned his shoulders , putting Marciano into perfect position to launch the right hand with full leverage. They both threw right hands at the same time. Marciano started his right slightly before Walcott started his and the rest is history. I had Walcott ahead on points but the tide was turning. In the middle and especially the late rounds Walcott started to realize that he couldn't knockout Marciano which is why he started to box and move a lot more. I thought Walcott fought an almost perfect fight but that one mistake cost him the title. If you look closely, after Walcott landed the great left hook that dropped Rocky in the first round, Marciano got up on steady legs and went right at Walcott and won the rest of that round. The fact that Marciano was able to recover so quickly from a knockout shot like that is one of the reasons he was so hard to beat.
@@mariealbergo7991 Two great fighters one over rated the other underrated, but both great fighters.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 i smell the brown bomber troll
Walcott's brain froze or he gassed. Why did he stopped moving like he had done up till then? Incomprehensible.
"A perfect record does not mean that someone is the greatest. Rocky Marciano never lost a fight, but I never hear anyone say he's the greatest Heavyweight champion of all time." - Authored by: Steve Sabol
Sabol was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2011 as a contributor due to his works with NFL Films. While NFL Films has won over 100 Emmys, Sabol himself has received 35 of those Emmys for writing, cinematography, editing, directing, and producing. No one else in all of television has earned as many Emmys in as many different categories. He was also a boxing scholar/historian.
So much respect for ALL these greats. Warriors, Gladiators, MEN. Never hate on any man that’s willing to get in the ring. They are scared, yet they are feared. What a great fight! Beautiful fight between two beautiful champions.
But wow they had to scrape Walcott off the canvas
great comment perfectly put
Couldn't have put it better myself Mr. Hinkle well said. 👍
Addressed to John Hinkle. I couldn't have said this better myself you are correct sir
♦️How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter.
Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula.
Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges.
Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!!
Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Man gets knocked down for the first time in his career...he's gets cut...blinded for 3 or 4 rounds...JJW is pounding the shit out of him...he's behind on all scorecards...and then in the 13th round..."POW"...he throws the best right hand ever...KO's Joe Walcott...and wins the title!!! The man was a FIGHTER...he wasn't there to do anything else!
Knocked out an old man. And had PLENTY of trouble. Not Impressive at all.
Not impressive? You're kidding!
Jim Cushman Why would I be impressed with a man who is more than 12 years younger than his Old Opponent winning a fight in which he was LOSING, GOT CUT, HURT AND KNOCKED DOWN???????
You mean when Ali beat Liston...who was 10 years older than Ali....
...Brian London...who was 8 years older than Ali....George Chuvalo...was was 5 years older than Ali...Floyd Patterson...who was 7 years older than Ali...Cleveland Williaams...who was 9 years older than Ali.....you mean Zora Folley...who was 11 years older than Ali. You mean Henry Cooper...who was 8 years older than Ali?These are the ages of Ali's opponents when he was in his prime from 1963 to 1967. You wanna talk ages?
Ali wasn't knocked down, cut, beat up and behind in those fights. THAT'S THE POINT! He handled those fighters the way he was SUPPOSED TO. So did Tyson when HE was younger. THAT'S THE POINT! NOT THE AGE.
RIP, Rocky. Undefeated, nobody can ever take that away.
Undefeated cause he retiered young. JOE Louis had to keep fighting after his prime ,becaus the govetment got him in Debt while he served in world war 2.
@@lovenlightman spelling isn't your strong point is it?
BAlboa Rocky ?
Few fights too
id agree if walcott and others werent much older over the hill fighters i dont know but i think lewis was older not sure
Imagine the pain the next day after being involved in this onslaught, what a fight, your average man is down and out after one of them body slugs. Brilliant classic fight, cheers for the upload, it should remain on TH-cam forever. 👍
The rematch Walcott decided not to get up for more of that. They asked him about it and he said look I tried everything I had in the first fight.
The average man might not get up after being hit by either one of these greats.
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 185 lb Marciano with his extraordinarily shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach.
Shocking isn't it.
Those other small guys weren't so small after all.
They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems.
On the other hand little 185 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
Marciano was the toughest baddest dude to step into the ring and never tired never stopped punching for 15 rounds was never hurt bad, was never on the ropes, never backed up., his legs were so strong.got stronger as the fight went on.he turned every boxing match into a fight.into his fight.when someone landed on him they could,nt follow up.
I don't care how big they are, both Walcott and rock would be to much for them, these guys had way more heart than the modern fighters but usyk is good.
@@mikemilliken3596 *It's funny how you pretend boxing fans cannot grasp that Rocky was a 185 lb guy so he was not Heavyweight by modern standards.*
@@mikemilliken3596 *AT LEAST 6' 3" 223-LB USYK WASN'T A TINY 5' 9" MIDDLEWEIGHT LIKE AFRICAN-ITALIAN ROCKY WAS.*
@@mikemilliken3596 *If you can answer this question about Rocky then I'll give you an opportunity to debate me. My question is why did little 5' 9" dwarfism arms only weigh 184 lbs when he won his Huge Super Heavyweight title? Please explain why he was so tiny?*
What a classic, appreciate the upload. Interesting that both had a sort of broken rhythm that made them hard to hit cleanly, even without much footwork compared to some others, but both were also powerful and accurate punchers, so they connected heavy and often. Marciano's defense was very underrated, with lots of erratic head movement. And if one went for his body, he'd catch them with his own sledgehammer blows. Jersey Joe was in great shape, too, certainly not looking "over the hill". Exceptional boxing skills on display, but Rocky managed to get that sledgehammer to connect cleanly and that's al she wrote. Two of the greatest ever to enter the ring.
Not over the hill, but likely didn’t have the cardio or chin a man with less mileage would have had. I wonder how this fight would have gone ten years earlier when Walcott had more of his body to sacrifice.
Marciano gave real meaning to the saying: "Powerful things come in small packages"..... Rocky was knockout magic and never lost a fight.
He.lost.2.as.an
Ammater..read.the.book.
A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise... Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was a relentless , swarming, bludgeoning type of fighter, who simply outfought, outpunched and outlasted everyone he stepped into the ring with. Tremendous will and stamina, and raw bonecrunching power made him formidable , you just couldn't discourage him in his obsessed craving to win at all costs.......A really tough fighter.......and a great unbeaten champ
Not to mention probably smallest heavyweight ever with t Rex arms and still went undefeated
@@favoriteofalltimefoat also hes 188 lbs and can hit harder than pretty much everyone
@@yes-qw6om smallest heavyweight ever
@@favoriteofalltimefoat Tommy Burns, Dwight Qawi, Sam Langford...
Rocky only had six title defenses, in my opinion you should have a minimum of ten/twelve title defenses to be considered an all time great. IJS..they have minimum at bats and minimum innings pitched in baseball, minimum games played, minimum pass attempts in football, IJS.
Wow, two titans smashing each other. I had no idea of how formidable Walcott was. And the relentlessly attacking Marciano is a sight to behold.
Marciano was always coming at you even if you hurt him. Much respect to both.
Yes
How they didn't both have broken ribs I don't know
First off comparing what round who beat who is nonsensical. Styles make fights. Ali went 15 rounds almost with Chuck Wepner and the year before knocked Foreman in his peak out in 8 rounds. In your ridiculous theory you're saying Chuck Wepner was way better than Foreman! Yeah right! Furthermore no fighter was ever better conditioned than Rocky. Read his training regimen. Rocky's lunches hit with the same force as an armor piercing bullet. Get that an armor piercing bullet. He beat every person he was ever in front of and was often a a big size disadvantage. He stalked you the entire fight and applied pressure like no other fighter. He had a killer instinct that maybe only Tyson, Foreman, and Liston could have matched. And would have given any heavyweight in history fits with his style. 49-0 with 43ko's. No one even close to that in history! His prime was later than most but what a prime he had for about 5 years. And was smart enough to quit on top and be remembered as a legend and all time great that he is!
Walcott in the day was a monster!
In his prime jersey Joe would have beat Rocky!!
Archie Moore's turn finally arrived in 1952 when he was a veteran of, at a conservative estimate, 170 contests. He had enlisted the help of leading writers to campaign on his behalf. The world light heavyweight champion, Joey Maxim, was an Italian-American whose real name was Giuseppe Antonio Berardinelli. Maxim's manager, Jack "Doc" Kearns, who had managed the great 1920s heavyweight Jack Dempsey, insisted on Maxim being paid $100,000 in return for allowing the fight to go ahead in St Louis. Moore took what was left, which turned out to be $800. By the time he had paid off his sparring partners and other pre-fight expenses, there was nothing left.
Nevertheless, he won the world light heavyweight title at the age of 39. After the decision, he walked over to Maxim, but was brushed aside by Kearns. "Never mind the condolences, kid," said the old man. "We've got all the money." More than that, Kearns had threatened to pull Maxim out of the fight unless Moore cut him in as his co-manager. Moore had signed - and then discovered Kearns had also negotiated a rematch clause. As a result, Moore had to beat Maxim twice more. Kearns earned a fortune.
*This is another perfect example of how the underworld monopolized every single facet of boxing during that era. The International Boxing Club Mafioso President Norris and his Boss Carbo owned Marciano's manager Al Weill. Including ticket sales they took 60% of everything Marciano earned. They had theiy collar-n-leash around Marciano and made Millions!!!
this is important information you give here. But I don't think it takes away from Marciano's greatness.
@@andrewmartin538 it sure does..
Also when Moore knocked Rocky down they gave him a 20+ count to get up
They insured he wasn't gonna lose
Moore was aged very aged and still smh
@@WARS187 no ! They did not give him a 20 count ! Were did you get this stuff ! He got up emediatly! You have no facts and bpno credibility. You are a racist.
I feel fortunate that I can watch this in 2022. Props to BoxNights.
No matter how old Walcott was in this bout, he gave Rocky his toughest fight other than Charles. Walcott got better age, crafty, slick, a ring cutie. Had it gone to distance he would've won on points.....Rocky is just pure class, not many escaped his KO power. RIP to both of these legends...gotta love this sport
this was Marciano's first ass whooping, he was never the same again
Hedz B ass whooping?!what fight were you watching?!
Bun B don't forget the great other Charles the cobra in Cincinnati Ohio that was a brawl as well Ezzard Charles
Bun B
I like wat yer saying but theres no way Jersey Joe was gonna win that on points.
Rocky had him on the way out from rd 9 on, it was only Joes guts, heart, skillz n pride that was keeping him in it.
Rocky wore him down with top class pressure.
@@dannyburch2122 I assume that's who he meant.
It's interesting how people who experienced watching Marciano in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record.
But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc.
It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of all-time since he's 50-0,, right?
What do you mean he was managed to preserve his record? This man didn't cherry pick his fights like Mayweather, force favorable catch weights, sign to fight somebody then chicken out like Floyd did with Winky Wright. He fought the best fighters available: Of his six title defenses, 5 of them were against the #1, or top available contender, and the sixth was against the #2 contender who had just beaten the #1 contender in a title elimination bout. I've read a lot of boxing history and the statements you're making aren't agreed with by guys like Emanuel Steward, Red Smith, Don Turner and I could go on. I'm going to venture a guess they know a hell of a lot more about boxing than you. Personally I consider GOAT arguments silly and I certainly wouldn't say Marciano is the greatest heavyweight ever, though he deserves to be in the conversation. But you're denigrating a guy that lived and trained like a warrior monk the entire time he was in the fight game and that's just wrong. Let me correct that: Ignorant and wrong.
@@baronvonraschke77 Mayweather was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2010s by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA), a two-time winner of The Ring magazine's Fighter of the Year award (1998 and 2007), a three-time winner of the BWAA Fighter of the Year award (2007, 2013, and 2015), and a six-time winner of the Best Fighter ESPY Award (2007-2010, 2012-2014). In 2016, ESPN ranked him the greatest boxer, pound for pound, of the last 25 years. As of May 2021, BoxRec ranks him the greatest boxer of all time, pound for pound. Many sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BoxRec, Fox Sports, and Yahoo! Sports, ranked Mayweather as the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world twice in a span of ten years.
Since the existence of CompuBox, Mayweather is the most accurate puncher among professional boxers, having the highest plus-minus ratio in recorded boxing history. He has a record of 26 consecutive wins in world title fights (10 by KO), 23 wins (9 KOs) in lineal title fights, 24 wins (7 KOs) against former or current world titlists, 12 wins (3 KOs) against former or current lineal champions, and 5 wins (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the class of 2021.
Mayweather topped the Forbes and Sports Illustrated lists of the 50 highest-paid athletes of 2012 and 2013, and the Forbes list again in both 2014 and 2015, as the highest-paid athlete in the world. In 2006, he founded his own boxing promotional firm, Mayweather Promotions, after leaving Bob Arum's Top Rank. He has generated approximately 24 million PPV buys and $1.67 billion in revenue throughout his career, surpassing the likes of former top PPV attractions including Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Oscar De La Hoya. In 2018, he was the highest-paid athlete in the world, with total earnings, including endorsements, of $285 million, according to Forbes. In November, 2021, Sportico released an all-time athlete earnings list, in which Mayweather ranked no. 6 of all time, totaling an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion in his career.
@@baronvonraschke77 Out of all the boxers in history *why* is little Marciano the *only-one* that must be defended through *QUOTES???* Quote after quote after endless quotes. Cuz y'all can't defend him with-is *resume alone!!!*
*Quotes are spec·u·la·tion /ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun, and speculation is the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.. Similar: opinion, hypothesize, guess, surmise, notion, prediction, forecast, gamble, venture, risk.*
Just cuz Muhammad Ali said, "Marciano *"Might"* have beaten me," does that make it true?? "Might" does not mean would have. It means maybe or possibly. *Ali was showing respect...Or like how you would say about a kids punch...Whew that little boy can knock me out...ooo he hits hard*
Holmes said, *"Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap,"* does that make it true??
Funniest Quote is Don Turner saying, *"Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time."* Who actually believes that?? Think, people. Think. He also said, *"Marciano would KO Wladimir with the first punch he landed,"* and *"The Klitschko's couldn't punch down."* Don's opinions change like the wind.
Foreman recently listed his own top-10 greatest Heavyweights of all time yet he didn't even include himself. Why?? Bcz it's called being humble, showing ones respects, or creating an image.
Ali's famous speech directly after he KO'd Foreman:
*"EVERYBODY STOP TALKING NOW"*
*"I TOLD Y'ALL I WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"*
*"I TOLD Y'ALL I'M STILL THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"*
[ Does that sound lik' Ali is conceding to little dwarfism-arms? ]
Find *"ONE"* professional boxer, manager, boxing historian or trainer that has little Rocky ranked higher than the cultural phenomenon Muhammad Ali.
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Muhammad Ali bcz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Lennox Lewis bcz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Larry Holmes bcz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Wladimir Klitschko bcz his *resume speaks for itself.*
On the other hand little Rocky's resume needs *serious help* bcz it's horrendous,, *hence all the futile Quotes to protect him!*
@@baronvonraschke77 Don Turner said, *"Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Marciano??? Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Lewis and Wladimir as the hardest punchers. 84yr old Don Turner is entitled to his opinion just as George Foreman has his opinion. Earnie Shavers also has an opinion just as Ron Lyle and Riddick Bowe have theirs.
*Why wasn't trainer Don Turner out there looking for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies??? Instead he chose 6' 7" 250-lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!!! Think, people. Think.*
Marciano had his last fight in New York 1955. Turner was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!!!*
Turner said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." Turner explains how Charles and Marciano were always his favorites @ A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74.
Here's some of the top rated trainers of all time;
Cus D' Amato
Eddie Futch
Freddie Roach
Ignacio "Nacho"
Beristain
Lou Duva
Emanuel Steward
Angelo Dundee
Jack Blackburn
Teddy Atlas
Roger Mayweather
Gil Clancy
Ray Arcel
BUT NO DON.. WON'T SEE DON TURNER ANYWHERE!!!!
Vitali fans, Wladimir fans, Fury fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans, Frazier fans, Lewis fans, Holmes fans, Tyson fans, Bowe fans, Ibeabuchi fans *NEVER* discuss Don Turner,, only Rocky fanboys ever discuss Turner's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth.
Don lost all credibility when he convinced Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing." Needless to say the lack of a cutman was the determining factor that cost Holyfield the Heavyweight championship against Michael Moorer.
Evander Holyfield fired him. Michael Grant fired him. Everyone gave Don the-boot. Fighters only worked with him as a last resort. Emanuel Steward and other trainers despised him.
Turner also said, "Charles was never the same after his first fight with Marciano." *That is 100% False!!!* He was never the same after all his wars with Walcott, Moore, Maxim, Valdez, Johnson, Bivins, etcetera. Ezzard Charles was already showing symptoms of ALS before he ever faced Marciano -@- William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life
@@Robert.Levi.Miller You seem obsessed to denigrate Marciano for no clear reason and want to drag Mayweather into the conversation. The two are unrelated. I never said Mayweather wasn't a great fighter btw. At any rate, most top 10 heavyweight champion lists I've seen have Marciano on them, deservedly so in my opinion. The man was an over achiever and his career should be respected, not run down by the likes of you, a keyboard warrior. It's as simple as that.
I have a feeling that right hand that took Joe down would have killed an average man. I'm a big Marciano fan but became a bit annoyed when the announcer constantly mentioned Joe's age. They both took one hell of a beating that night!
howard Cosell would have done a much better job
The announcer did that in most of Marciano's fights,probably to demean rocky's ability.
That last right didn't connect Walcott took a drive.
kevlarunderwear22 Cosell would have talked about the evils of boxing for 14 rounds. How fun is that?
johnny brize Probablh because it was true and its an important factor in the “story” of a fight.
Marciano hits like a bolt of lightning, I had to rewind the viedo 5 times to see the right hand knock out punch, unbelievable indurance and power.
Same here. Couldn't hardly catch it he swung so fast.
I did the same, I think I rewatched that knock out punch 8 or 10 times, it didn’t even look like it was much, but when you saw Joe Walcott’s head jerk back and to the right, you knew that was a super powerful right hand, so fast, and the left that followed didn’t help Joe much either, what a fight, modern day gladiators for their time, these men made boxing exciting, The Rock always was, and still is one of my all time favorites to this day.
I totally agree. I know for a fact that the hand is quicker than the eye and the camera too, but man at 56:33 I played that video over and over again and never could see Rocky's glove actually contact Walcott's head. I honestly could not swear that I actually saw that punch connect. This is not the first time I saw a quicker than the eye punch though. But most of the time I can stop the film and see the contact. This time I could not.
@@tonyhelton2788 Took a "dive"?
@booch326 took a dive after he got jackhammered by Rocky's right hand
Combined, Walcott Charles Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Had little Rocky never existed nobody would even be talkin bout Walcott Charles Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott Charles Moore otherwise they would never denigrate and belittle other black fighters such as Ali Liston Holmes Tyson Wilder. I've studied Marciano extensively for one year and it just dawned on me that is exactly what's happening. Rocky fans always besmirch black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott Charles Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston Holmes Tyson, yet pure Love for Walcott Charles Moore.
Sounds like somebody got a some hate going on for "LITTLE" Rocky.. the Rock did exist, 40 times undefeated and had to retire cause nobody NOBODY on the up and coming would fight him. Little Rocky hurt fighters when it got down to blood and grid he came alive. Nobody wanted a lose, nobody wanted thier fighter hurt. That's a fact.
Not totally true. I am an ITALIAN AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVED MARCIANO, I LOVED TYSON IN HIS PRIME, HOLYFIELD, WALCOTT AND LISTON AND LOUIS. BUT I COULDNT STAND CASIOUS CLAY AND HOMES BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK..
Is Walcott Charles Moore joe Wolcatta or Archie moore?
@@aldonelson5757 Yes. Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore. Two were light heavyweights masquerading and moonlighting as Heavyweights. And Jersey Joe was Cruiserweight. Compared to today's Super Heavyweights they're tiny.
@@snickersberet4792 Incorrect. You don't know what your talking about. Little Rocky ducked many fighters and Quit bcz he was "embarrassed of losing." That's what his younger brother Peter said. Truth hurts. That's a fact!
One of the most underrated heavyweight championship bouts.
It’s pretty iconic actually
It is so cool to hear the audience ambient background talk and shouts with those old omni directional microphones...
Rocky's numbers may not lie, *but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion.* So let's examine those 13 opponents *(not in order)* that he supposedly *FORCED INTO RETIREMENT* instantaneously.
#1) *Amateur* Lee Epperson - *0 wins 0 losses.* Shameful to even count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Retired from what??* He never even had a career. Epperson was probably *15 years old like Walcott and Moore were* when they first started.
#2) *Amateur* Jimmy Weeks - *0 wins 0 losses.* Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Probably another 15 year old.*
#3) *Amateur* John Edwards - *1 win 1 loss.* Y'all gonna count this as *"Forced Retirement"* also???
#4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the *IRS-FORCED him to.* As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was *finally outta there for good!!!!*
#5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another *easy $250K.* Walcott received the *lions share both fights.* Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a *fraction* of that. *$250K back then is $2.6 million today.* Little Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he *"QUIT"!!!!*
#6) Lee Savold age was 36 with *153 bouts.* His manager, *Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow."* Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. *Completely washed* Savold was only there for his last *Big-Paycheck!!!!*
#7) 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson - *4 wins 2 losses* with 28% KO's *F-LEVEL* Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better.
#8) Jimmy Evans - *18 wins 8 losses* with 50% KO's *F-LEVEL* Evans fought *10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Evans weighed 178 lbs. *Too many light heavyweights.*
#9) Harry Haft - *12 wins 8 losses* with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. *Isn't this supposed to be the Heavyweight division???*
#10) Gino Buonvino - *24 wins 15 losses* with *10%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fights Buonvino *"TWICE"* ..why???
#11) Eldridge Eatman - *22 wins 21 losses* with 22% KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost *8 of his last 9 fights* Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. *"'Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano,'" according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, "'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT'"* ..Eatman's profession was *paddin records.*
#12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Pete fought *amateur* Willie James with a *0-0-0 debut* record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought *10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut* records. For Pete's sake he also fought another *20 opponents that had 10 or less fights.*
#13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks okay until you see *ALL 16* wins came against *F-LEVEL* opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."*
So it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin*
After all this time i was *mislead* into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD --Carmine Vingo*
*IT APPEARS LITTLE ROCKY DID NOT FORCE-RETIRE ""ANY"" OF THESE BOXERS*
Shut up. Even a flyweight would kick your butt.
You sound like a hater
Thank you!
Now tell me about George Foreman's 'retirement' run to fight Evander Holyfield?
@@jfweimar Shall we start with Big George winning the Gold medal in 68 or-is slugfest with Ron Lyle??? How bout when he bounced Frazier up and down lik' a Basket🏀ball??? .....Little 184-lb cruiserweight dwarfism-arms LMFAO 😂
@@Robert.Levi.Miller The Foreman / Lyle fight is my favorite & probably the all time greatest fight. My comparison with 'older' Foreman and Marciano was to suggest a desired outcome.
Marciano didn’t beat an old man. He eat a great fighter during an excellent stretch in his in career. Joe Walcott is an all time great and did some of his best boxing at the end of his career.
But he was old, just like the other fighters he fought.
The Rock fought who was in font of him but his defenses were against older past their prime fighters.
I'm 52 now , looking back when i was in my 30s I was still in my prime
38 is only old to lazy, fat, chain-smoking slobs.
@@rrizo6846 everybody is past their prime in their thirties, though they may think they're not.
Incredible fight. Everyone remembers the KO at the ending, but I (having to seen it in a few years) forgot what an incredible brawl it was before the 13th. New respect for both men. Two of my favorite heavys.
Anyway I scored it
1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, and 12 for Walcott
Marciano won 3, 5, 9, and 10. He definitely needed that KO to win.
Respect.
How did you score round 6? I gave 6 to Marciano.
Well there were 3 more rds to go so who knows what the cards would said aside what a fight guts and glory...and to think the gloves were a hellva thinner than today's gloves. Rocky took a beating but gave as good as he got
@@robertwilkinson5971 As I understand it, gloves are to protect hands, not heads. Maybe in totality more padding allows more hard punches to be thrown? And it looks like Rocky gave slightly better than he got...
no matter how many rounds he got the KO failed walcott!!
The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."*
So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin*
Nobody knows how that particular ring in 1949 was actually constructed at that particular venue. Regardless of the flooring, Vingo *tooth-pick* Bingo was 6' 4" 189 lbs with an abysmal 38% KO's. A closer look at his eighteen opponents:
#1) Vingo 188¼ vs Barney Metten 192¾ lbs CAREER *6 wins 3 losses* with 44% KO's *F-LEVEL*
#2) Vingo 187 lbs vs Fred Ramsey 186 lbs CAREER *8 wins 12 losses* with 28% KO's *F-LEVEL*
#3) Vingo 190 lbs vs Earl Turner 198 lbs CAREER *2 wins 21 losses* with *0%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Turner's *only purpose* was *Paddin Records.*
#4) Vingo 190 lbs vs George Washington 187 lbs CAREER *12 wins 33 losses* with 17% KO's *F-LEVEL* Another *Paid Diver.*
#5) Vingo 194½ lbs vs Joe Lindsay 182½ lbs CAREER *28 wins 7 losses* with 29% KO's *C-LEVEL* Vingo *"LOSES"*
#6) Vingo 194 lbs vs Freddie McManus 179½ lbs CAREER *18 wins 19 losses* with *7%* KO's *F-LEVEL*
#7) Vingo 197 lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER *9 wins 15 losses* with *4%* KO's *F-LEVEL*
#8) Vingo 192 lbs vs Jimmy Walls 189½ lbs CAREER *20 wins 41 losses* with *8%* KO's *F-LEVEL* *"Another Diver"*
#9) Vingo 189½ lbs vs Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER *9 wins 15 losses* with *4%* KO's *F-LEVEL* *"SECOND" time* Vingo fights this undercard boxer. *Why???*
#10) Vingo 188 lbs vs Johnny Williams 183 lbs CAREER *2 wins 13 losses* with *6%* KO's *F-LEVEL* *This isn't even boxing anymore. It's charity for the homeless.*
#11) Vingo 188 lbs vs Don Mogard 191¼ lbs CAREER *20 wins 16 losses* with *15%* KO's *F-LEVEL*
#12) Vingo 195 lbs vs Freddie McManus 178 lbs CAREER *18 wins 19 losses* with *7%* KO's *F-LEVEL* *"SECOND" time* Vingo fights this opponent. *Why???*
#13) Vingo 195 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 191½ lbs CAREER *5 wins 9 losses* with 21% KO's *F-LEVEL*
#14) Vingo 185 lbs vs Ernie Conyer 187½ lbs CAREER *5 wins 9 losses* with 21% KO's *F-LEVEL* *"SECOND" time* Vingo fights this opponent. *Why???*
#15) Vingo 188½ lbs vs Joe Modzele 183 lbs CAREER *18 wins 8 losses* with 26% KO's *D to F-LEVEL* *Light* heavyweights *moonlighting as Heavyweights were dime a dozen back then.*
#16) Vingo 192½ lbs vs George Washington 189 lbs CAREER *12 wins 33 losses* *F-LEVEL* *"SECOND" time* Vingo fights this *Diver.* Vingo fought *"FOUR"* opponents *"TWICE"* within *16* bouts. *Why?* Even the *majority* of his opponents have *losing* records. *Why???* This is all very reminiscent of Roland LaStarza's first 37 opponents. *This isn't even funny anymore.* It's downright shameful.
#17) Vingo 193 lbs vs Al Robinson 193 lbs CAREER *0 wins 5 losses* with *0%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Vingo actually fights a *debuting 0-0-0 amateur just before* he faces little Rocky. *Why???*
#18) Vingo 189 lbs vs Rocky Marciano 180¼ lbs CAREER *49 wins 0 losses* with 87.76% KO's *B-LEVEL* Vingo was completely outclassed and never had a chance from the get-go. I saw their Getty Museum pics and Marciano didn't have a single mark on his face, and his eyes were wide open and clear. *What they did to Vingo was a Travesty.*
*THE WORST PREDETERMINED 16-2 BOXING RESUME OF ALL TIME*
All this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD --Carmine Vingo*
Vingo was a 4 to 6 round fighter. He was stepping up to 10 rounders for first time. Marciano already was fighting 10 rounders. Marciano had the advantage.
Last time I checked Vingo was a man, who could have refused the fight. But he did not, and since he accepted, he should keep his mouth shut. Price of admission.
Never a more devastating single punch in boxing history. It was perfect.
Ray Mancini said it was textbook… Like his glove barely left his chest… Short accurate… Right on the button
It could have sunk an aircraft carrier. Imagine being on the other end of it. A dark specter.
@@MaximusWolfe Rocky was very appropriate at the post fight press conference,he was a true champion,word
Rocky Marciano was Champion of the World and in his career never lost one fight.
*ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."*
*People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
*In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."*
*Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Any excuse will do.
@@michaelmettry6120 Lou Gehrig's Disease is not an excuse.
Had enough strength to sign the contracts and cash the checks though. Guess we should ignore the 8 ko victories he had between '51 and the loss to Marciano.
@@manny4mayor He didn't have 8 KO's. ALL yer credibility just flew out the window. Try again Mr. Whiteboy.
*Famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's disease for 55 years after he was diagnosed in 1963.* Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* ... Charles lost the title to Walcott in 51. He attempted to regain the title 3 times, losing once to Walcott in 52 and twice to Marciano in 54. *There's no room for debate. Too many reputable witnesses. Charles was 100% factually handicapped when he fought Marciano!*
My God! These guys are incredible. Just one of those body shots by the Rock to the average man would have broken all their ribs 3 x over! And Joe keeps on fighting? How? True champions both!
This fight just makes my respect for Jersey Joe grow even more. He was slicker than oil, could punch like a sledgehammer, especially with the hook, he knew every trick in the book, and in this fight looked almost ready to defend his title to the death if need be.
Jersey Joe was way underrated, in my opinion. One helluva fighter, grew up in tough times. In my personal Hall of Fame.
ATG.
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky with 67" flyweight reach was a great champ in his own era and a credit to the sport of boxing, however he boxed in a weak post war drained era where boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost, Rocky, in fact never beat one 200+lbs, prime, genuine Heavyweight and struggled badly with some of the old opposition that he did beat. *Since then there's been many, many other topnotch genuine 220 to 300+lbs Heavyweights similar to:*
Miller - 333 lbs
Zhang - 287
Joyce - 280
Fury - 277
Ngannou - 272
Makhmudov - 260
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Foreman - 260
Lennox - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Wladimir - 245
Parker - 250
Bowe - 245
Anderson - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Sanchez - 245
Whyte - 250
Joshua - 250
Ruddock - 245
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Liston - 220
Tyson - 220
Thomas - 225
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 230
Lyle - 220
Usyk - 222
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
*Marciano - 184*
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns!
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
Fourteen months after Marciano fights Moore he calls the Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore match at-ringside. The defeatism in Marciano's voice is undeniably resigned to futility. He is flabbergasted at Patterson's blinding speed and immediately realizes it would be pointless to make a comeback even though every sportswriter across America is begging him to come out of retirement after Patterson just walked through everything Moore threw without blinking and KO’d Archie in 5.
Directly after Patterson beat Moore for the vacant heavyweight championship Cus D'Amato suggested that the return of Rocky Marciano to the ring would be most welcome and would draw "the greatest gate in history." Marciano "declined" --written by Vault | SI 1956
It says in the book-( The Greatest Fights.. That Never Were ) -by Matthew Bazell, that Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Patterson. Marciano was offered 2 MILLION dollars. The Patterson people including Cus wanted that fight so bad. But Marciano wouldn't take it no matter how much he was offered.
( Marciano discusses his multi-million dollar offers @-( The Marciano Tapes #3 )
[[ Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore by SPORTvidos ]]
Rocky Marciano would have demolished Floyd Patterson with the greatest of ease. No defeatism in Rocky Marciano, that was reserved for all his opponents, Rocky couldn't be beat period..
2 legend boxers. RIP..
Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?
@Studentofsweetscience Is that supposed to hurt my feelings? 😂 LOL
Ali,Tyson, Foreman, Liston,Shavers, holmes, wilder, all would've had out in less than 1 round.
Studentofsweetscience...
Your husbands little but you love him.
The abundance of excuses Marciano fans come up with are hilarious. The best one is *"size does not matter."* If that were the case why does boxing have 18 different weight classes??? A Marciano fan replies, *"well that's becuz weight does not matter at Heavyweight."* If that's true,, *why hasn't a 190-lb man ever beat an elite Super Heavyweight boxing champion before???*
Why are there no 190-lb offensive or defensive linemen in the NFL??? Becus it would be impossible to stop other 300-lb elite linemen!!!
Why hasn't a 190-lb man won the Super Heavyweight weightlifting competition in the Olympics??? Becus it's impossible for a 190-lb man to clean and jerk 580-lbs!!!
little 184-lb Rocky with-is-shortest-ever-dwarfism-reach did not have the bone structure to be effective at Super Heavyweight today!!!
*""SIZE MATTERS LIKE IT OR NOT""*
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what is your stupid point???
Money!
One thing that helped Marciano a lot was his excellent conditioning. The opponent was not going to win by tiring him out.
His age
This is the best fight of Walcott's career. It is astounding that he didn't demolish Rocky -- aside from knocking him down with a left hook that knocked out Ezzard Charles, he was lifting Marciano off the canvas in the later rounds. Incredible bout.
Unlucky 13 round for Wolcott Lucky 13 for Rocky!
@@frankpaya690 ws
A right to the chin knocked joe out cold...unconcious...lights out...
Ali would have chopped Rocky to pieces. Rocky would never lay a glove on Ali.
@@richardscott7377 I agree ,Rocky would be swinging his devastating punches at fresh air ha !.
Funny how the folks who wanna consider little Rocky the greatest Heavyweight simply becus he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of all-time since he's 50-0, right?
Mayweather was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2010s by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA), a two-time winner of The Ring magazine's Fighter of the Year award (1998 and 2007), a three-time winner of the BWAA Fighter of the Year award (2007, 2013, and 2015), and a six-time winner of the Best Fighter ESPY Award (2007-2010, 2012-2014). In 2016, ESPN ranked him the greatest boxer, pound for pound, of the last 25 years. As of May 2021, BoxRec ranks him the greatest boxer of all time, pound for pound. Many sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BoxRec, Fox Sports, and Yahoo! Sports, ranked Mayweather as the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world twice in a span of ten years.
Since the existence of CompuBox, Mayweather is the most accurate puncher among professional boxers, having the highest plus-minus ratio in recorded boxing history. He has a record of 26 consecutive wins in world title fights (10 by KO), 23 wins (9 KOs) in lineal title fights, 24 wins (7 KOs) against former or current world titlists, 12 wins (3 KOs) against former or current lineal champions, and 5 wins (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the class of 2021.
Mayweather is one of the most lucrative pay-per-view attractions of all time, in any sport. He topped the Forbes and Sports Illustrated lists of the 50 highest-paid athletes of 2012 and 2013, and the Forbes list again in both 2014 and 2015, as the highest-paid athlete in the world. In 2006, he founded his own boxing promotional firm, Mayweather Promotions, after leaving Bob Arum's Top Rank. He has generated approximately 24 million PPV buys and $1.67 billion in revenue throughout his career, surpassing the likes of former top PPV attractions including Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Oscar De La Hoya. In 2018, he was the highest-paid athlete in the world, with total earnings, including endorsements, of $285 million, according to Forbes. In November, 2021, Sportico released an all-time athlete earnings list, in which Mayweather ranked no. 6 of all time, totaling an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion in his career.
Hall of Fame All Time Great Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, yet only lost by split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
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Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 21 opponents (not in order).
Bobo Olson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Clinton Bacon 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Harold Johnson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Harold Johnson (twice) 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim (twice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim (thrice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Sonny Andrews 177 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Jimmy Slade 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Bob Dunlap 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Clarence Henry 184 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Toxie Hall 188 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career record 22 wins 32 losses (F-level) with (two) 2% KOs
Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses (F-level) with an abysmal 24% KOs
Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 25% KOs
Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 29% KOs
Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses (D-level) with a low-power 51% KOs
Nino Valdes 209 lbs (twice)
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky?
This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
EXPLAIN HOW LITTLE 185 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 5 HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023?
Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,, imagine that?
"AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Algorithms don't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0.. That's why all Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
Just like you speculateers would bet on the 130# Wolf over 50# Wolverine....and you'd lose watching the wolf become Wolverine scat...OR... bet on the bigger Jackal over a Honeybadger and be wrong again...lol
Rocky was like them and trained to be that tuff...!
It only takes one good hit and if you watch Rocky carefully he patiently waits for that split second opening to appear while he nonstop pummels away...!
One can notice Tyson once rocked good gets scared which is why he goes in with both guns blazing unless someone clocks him enuff his reaction and fearfulness is apparent where Rocky just keeps coming and fights close on the inside where the bigger longer reached fighters are useless and kept off guard and he never lets up- Esp never ending liver & rib shots you can hear and sêê the reverb effects...!
So - to each his own opinion...!
It's not the ranking system's fault that you are stupid. Boxers are ranked compared to their competition of the time. 70 years ago boxers didn't have human growth hormone, steroids and other drugs that improve performance. The very same Rocky born today (or any fighter of his era) would have been taller and stronger, if only from better nutrition of the modern age. Now go back to your mom's basement and play your video games.
There are *few* Heavyweight champions in the history of boxing that are *better known* for *their losses* than *their wins.* Jersey Joe Walcott's *high profile losses* is what *elevated his status* and built up his credentials, *not his wins.*
*During his peak championship years, Walcott scored 7 wins with 5 KO's. Only one of those KO's came against a ranked fighter, that being Ezzard Charles. During this time Walcott also lost 7 times and suffered 10 count KO's 3 times and a 9 count once. In total fights during this time Walcott's record was 7-7. In title fights he went 2-6 with 1 KO win and 3 KO losses. He fought 3 different men in his 8 title fights, was defeated by each of them twice, KO'd by two of them and only defeated one of them.*
In his overall career Walcott had a *49-20-1* record and was *KO'd 6 times* (BoxRec). Based on these *less than impressive stats* it is difficult to consider him anymore than a *good Journeyman.*
Walcott scored 32 KO's in 70 fights. The *'only two'* 'ranked' fighters Walcott ever KO'd was an off the floor 10th round win over Curtis Sheppard and the *lightning in the bottle* KO of Ezzard Charles.
Walcott is a prime example of boxing historians rating a fighter *higher than he deserves* based on *impressive losses.* Walcott was *winless* in all *4* of his fights vs. Louis/Marciano and was KO'd *3* times.
*The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division must have been at this time. ""Five"" of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss.*
Had Walcott been fighting in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, there is *no-way* he would have been granted this many opportunities after losing *so-many* title attempts.
Walcott should at best be remembered not as a great Heavyweight champion, but a *good C-LEVEL Journeyman.*
*If a fighter today had 20 losses and was KO'd 6 times he'd be considered F-LEVEL all day every day.* Wilder and Joshua *only have 5 losses between them* yet they are already considered *has-beens.* But it's *perfectly fine* for Walcott Charles Moore to have *(68)* losses, *double standard.*
*Lennox Lewis was only KO'd 2 times and his top-10 ranking has suffered ever since.* But it's *perfectly fine* for Walcott Charles Moore to have been *KO'd (20)* times, *double standard.*
Sonny had an-albatross 84 inch reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67 inch reach. A 17 inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano.
No argument against your view with Walcott or Ezzard Charles. But are bringing Archie Moore into this conversation?? One of the greatest Light Heavies, if not the greatest of all time. Stop with that.
@@baalbezub6848 U wrote Archie Moore was one of the greatest "LIGHT" heavyweights..... Okay,,, there you go,,, he was a "LIGHT" heavyweight "NOT" Heavyweight!!! Correct?? Rocky was the little cruiserweight champion "NOT" HEAVYWEIGHT champion.
@@Robert.Levi.Miller Wrong. RM fought exclusively as a heavyweight, as did many men his size in that era. My point is don't bring Moore into your argument. He wasn't a great heavyweight when he moved up to fight in that division. As a light heavyweight his record is astonishing and he is unquestionably one of the great boxers, of any weight division, of all time.
If 42 year old light heavyweight Moore and 38 year old cruiserweight Walcott could drop little white Rocky then the Tyson's, Foreman's, Klitschko's and Ibeabuchi's of the world woulda kilt him. How can a 185 pound man even be considered an ATG Super Heavyweight when he was barely cruiserweight?
Shall we start with his 15 opponents that had losing records or all his opponents that had 20 30 40 50+ losses and were KO'd too many times to count??? Walcott Charles Moore Savold lost (113) times and were KO'd (32) times.
Ted Lowry was another middleweight turned light heavyweight who had (57) losses. Lowry took Marciano the distance twice and everyone that witnessed their first fight convincingly said Lowry won. Marciano even admitted he was "lucky to have won."
There's a pic of Ezzard Charles standing next to middleweight Sugar Ray Robinson and Ray looked bigger! Charles was another middleweight turned light heavyweight with a very slender build and the lowest ever 42% KOs. Both Ezzard and his family said he was showing signs of ALS in 1951.
Don't get me wrong, there were some very good light heavyweights during this time, but the 200+lbs Heavyweight division was a complete and utter embarrassment.
Rocky fans always say his opponents were Bigger than he was. Then name all these 200+lbs Bigger opponents and let's go over their career records and KO percentages one at a time..
For example little Rocky's heaviest opponent was *F-LEVEL* 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson who had a career *4 wins 2 losses* with a measly 28% KO's. Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better.
If you build it, they will come! You didn't build anything, though you sure threw a load!
After 2 months, we find out, luckily, that there are only 13 of your ilk, in 2500. That the odds of missing one like you, much better. Hopefully, for their sakes, you didn't reproduce.
Yeah, but what you’re saying is absolute bunking.
Bunkum
@@donhill7239 Wrong. What I'm saying is truthful facts. How can anyone be upset with the honest fact's???
In 1962 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s.
Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.*
Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future.
In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing.
Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate.
Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.”
In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.”
Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.
Great comment and information.
Whewwwwww! That's a lot of talk , however no matter who Rocky could beat or could have beat . The fact remains he was NEVER beaten. Joe Walcott was great fighter ,but just couldn't stand the pressure of the smaller man !
44 Marciano opponents: We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good *B-LEVEL* resume. Problem is *he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?*
Even Marciano's *best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times.* Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. *Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat?* Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. *Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?*
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$ OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM*
*THEY DIDN'T LITERALLY CONTROL HIM BUT THEY DID TAKE 60% OF ALL HIS EARNINGS AND VERY CAREFULLY PADDED HIS RECORD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE*
The *entire* eastern seaboard was *Italian,* it was *all Italian.* Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's *mafioso manager* and *matchmaker* at the Garden *took* 50% and *all ticket sales* which pushed it closer to *60%.* Marciano had *no choice* but to *comply* or *no contract.*
Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. *Italian* Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, *they needed* something *new.* Access to the machinery of *boxing,* a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. *Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.*
*They controlled it all,* from the *trainers* and *managers* to the reporting *journalists,* with a combination of *intimidation* and financial backing ensuring *everybody* the mob *wanted* was under *their control.*
*THE DAY AFTER RETIREMENT HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS*
Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach.
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS
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*Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion.
The caliber of opponents is most important in evaluating greatness. Tommy Morrison and Roy Jones, for example, looked great against lesser opponents but pitted against the top men of their class, their shortcomings in other assets were exposed and their ability was offset by other attributes that better opponents of theirs possessed. Marciano was never so tested because his level of competition was so weak.
You only say that because Rocky was white. Just go ahead and admit it. He NEVER lost a fight, unlike that loud mouth, draft dodging, Muslim, who lost 5 times, and ABSOLUTELY should have 10-11 losses on his record if not for massive Mafia corruption. No, I don't think Marciano would've beat Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis, Wladimir, or Tyson Fury. But I absolutely believe, with every fiber in my body, Marciano would've beat Ali, the most overrated athlete, along with Derek Jeter, (and I am a diehard Yankees fan), rather easily. People who parrot Ali's big, obnoxious, loud mouth, that claims he was "The Greatest", are truly stupid, and gullible, human beings. All of those idiots, probably think that In-N-Out Barf Burgers are the "greatest" hamburgers of all time, which is even more insulting than hearing how great the Draft Dodger was. 🤢🤮🤢🤮
If you had watched this fight closely you'd have seen what a tremendous fighter Walcot was.
He proved that Marciano had to be a great fighter because it took a great fighter to beat Walcot.
BOGUS STUDY
@@freddyfurrah3789 Of course it is. Bcz Marciano fans dislike Truth
@@freddyfurrah3789 What a boxer was ranked is no study. It's facts. How did he go from being ranked 10th throughout the 1960s and 1970s to 4th Greatest Heavyweight in 2024. $$$$, that's how!
Muhammad Ali said in "The Greatest": "with George I had to let him hit me, with Sonny I had to keep him from hitting me!”
Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
Joe Louis said in Gods of War: "It didn’t matter what stance Sonny fought from, he was the best I ever saw.”
Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!"
Sonny Liston v. Wayne Bethea Aug 1958 -- Referee stops the fight upon discovering many of Bethea's teeth in his mouthpiece. Bethea, a tough journeyman who had never been off his feet, said after being stopped by Liston: “He must have hit me with a horseshoe in his glove!" Liston hit Bethea and knocked out 7 of his teeth, broke 9 more for 16 lost teeth from one blow!
Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title, said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up, I asked Sonny, what happened, and he said ‘I hit you."
Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."
"When Sonny was forced to throw the Ali rematch, his reputation and legacy went down with him. A predominantly white, racist media always feared and hated Liston, and were only too happy to humiliate him after that bout, and forget about him almost entirely after he died." -- author Paul Gallender
The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his mother and sisters claimed Sonny's father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Liston was a different breed; what a specimen.
Author Paul Gallender said "When Sonny was forced to throw the Ali rematch"? HILARIOUS!
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
Rubbish...
Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, *"Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son."* -- which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ???
*"After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police."* --Wiki
*"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --International Boxing Hall Of Fame
*And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.*
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
90% of little white opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.
After only 7 years Marciano's body was shot so he *QUIT*
But Louis's 18 years is acceptable..
Walcott's 22 years is perfectly fine..
Moore's 27 years it's all good..
Charles's 20 years no problems..
What's wrong with this picture???
Many Heavyweights could have retired undefeated had they only fought a measly 7 years..
*How can a-little 185 pound man with exceptionally short dwarfism arms possibly be ranked 3rd in 2023 when he was ranked 10th in 1971???*
are you a idiot
We just watched two of the best fighters in the world! And one Rocky Marciano the number one pound for pound undisputed undefeated champion of the world! Undefeated till this day undefeated forever. No question or arguing Rocky Marciano goes down as the best to ever lace up the gloves. 👑
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Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?
One of the best ever, for sure
ROCKY ONLY HAD SIX TITLE DEFENSES,...GTFOH...
@@aarondigby9859 I think it should go by losses. Ali lost 5 fights. Lost the title. Rocky never lost. He's the greatest of all time.
Yeah it's a pretty safe bet he'll remain undefeated forever
Middleweight Olympic gold medalist Floyd Patterson KOd Moore in only 5 rounds when it took Marciano 9. Patterson was only 21. Cassius Clay was at his best when he was only 22. Mike Tyson was at his best when he was only 20. Joe Louis was at his best when he was only 23. Youth is priceless. Yet Marciano fanboys claim Moore was at his best when he was 41. Marciano fanboys claim Walcott was at his best when he came out of retirement and was 38. Marciano fanboys claim Louis was at his best when he came out of retirement and was 37. What a Joke.
Rocky Marciano, only undefeated he champ! Think of it! RIP, champ, love to your family & friends, Rocky! A fan always,
@@georgee.steinfeldtjr9961 Rocky was a great champion in his own era and a credit to the sport of boxing, however he boxed in a weak post war drained era where boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost, Rocky, in fact never beat one 200+ pounds, prime, world class, genuine Heavyweight and struggled badly with some of the old opposition that he did beat.
@Studentofsweetscience Bullshit asshole Can you name a undefeated black man ???? No I didn't think so shit skin.
I agree it was a joke, but believe it or not, Joe Louis and Jersey Joe were both favorites (in Vegas) over Marciano at the time of the fights.
@@bertmoore4092Of course Louis and Walcott were favored to win against Rocky. It's bcz so many wanted the little 184lb-cruiser to Lose! The overwhelming majority of Americans couldn't stand-em simply bcz they knew what he represented.
Why all these put downs of Jersey Joe? He might have been 38, but he was the heavyweight champion. How bad could he have been? Charles was the champion immediately before Joe, and Archie Moore was the light heavy champion. All the great champions fought their share of pasties, but they also fought the best in their weight class, and Rocky was no exception.
thomas buchanan I think jersey joe was a great boxer he should of beat rocky but rocky was tuff kepted coming it just takes that one perfect punch and rocky deliverd it that's boxing rocky became champ that night jersey joe was a tuff sob great boxer
I agree, thats how boxing is the legends get old and new champions arise and make their name beating them. Then they become old legends and the cycle continues.
@@j2oorange Jersey joe was in tip top shape, very experienced and strong as a bull. Respect to both guys.
Truth, Jersey Joe knocked him down in round one and bloodied his head up. Can't exactly say he was an unworthy opponent if he put up that kind of a fight.
People are ignorant. Jersey Joe, along with Ezzard Charles were two of the greatest heavyweights to ever step in the ring.
In the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
*SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???*
*Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!*
Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that.
The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles only weighed 181 pounds when he won his 'vacant' Super Heavyweight title against cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott in 1949. Exactly two years later Charles weighed a massive 182 pounds when he lost his Super Heavyweight title to you guessed it, 194 pound Journeyman Joe again. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott Loss!!!
So how the heck did Walcott get 6 attempts at the Heavyweight Championship? Because the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was nonexistent and he was the closest to being a genuine Heavyweight. The 200+lb Heavyweights that did exist (Jackson, Wilson, Shkor) were D and F-level boxers. 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had a career 4 wins 3 losses (F-level). 230 lb Bill Wilson had a career 40 wins 20 losses (F-level) and an abysmal 30% KOs. 220 lb Johnny Shkor had a career 50 wins 20 losses and an abysmal 40% KOs.
Journeyman Joe was C-level at best. Overall he Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times. Walcott's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles, Light heavyweight Joey Maxim and Light heavyweight Harold Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Maxim Lost (29) times. Light heavyweight Johnson Lost (11) times and was KO'd (5) times. Light heavyweight Archie Moore Lost (23) times was and KOd (7) times. Would it have been ok if Marciano Lost (25) times and was KTFO (7) times? Of course not. If little Marciano had so much as a 'Draw', he wouldn't even be ranked top 20.
Lennox constantly catches heck for being KO'd twice. Liston constantly catches heck for losing to Light heavyweight Marty Marshall early in his career. Yet it's perfectly fine for Charles, Walcott and Moore to be KOd 20 times combined and lose 68 times.
Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott were heavyweight champions.
Sports Illustrated writer Tex Maule wrote that Liston's shoulder injury was legitimate. He cited medical evidence: "A team of eight doctors inspected Liston's arm at St. Francis Hospital in Miami Beach and agreed that it was too badly damaged for Liston to continue fighting. The torn tendon had bled down into the mass of the biceps, swelling and numbing the arm." --Those findings were confirmed in a formal investigation immediately after the fight by Florida State Attorney Richard Gerstein, who also noted that there was little doubt that Liston went into the fight with a lame shoulder.
To me, this fight proved that Marciano was among the great heavyweights below 210 and was his most impressive performance.
Teddy Brenner, who worked for Al Weill in the late-1940s and subsequently became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing, later acknowledged, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter, he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager, he was controlled by Carbo.”
In May 1949, Weill became the matchmaker for the International Boxing Club. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. Marciano wasn’t the first fighter to be moved by people of influence. Nor will he be the last.
It’s what happened after the first LaStarza fight that really blemished Marciano’s career by taking a major step back in competition. Rocky’s handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat.
His next opponent was F-level Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was F-level Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses. Marciano was picking and choosing his fights his entire career.
Marciano's 32nd fight was against F-level Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses. His 33rd fight was against F-level Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses. 34th fight was against F-level Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses. And his 35th fight was against F-level Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses.
It's clear as day Frankie Carbo and Al Weill padded Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
I am glad things like this will be archived hopefully someday. Along with the fight you get to see a young George Benton and not so young ,but not old Jimmy Bivins, Sugar Ray Robinson with the other fighters, good stuff. Thank You.
Too many Rocky fans *don't do a deep drive into examining his career. That magical 49-0 is the shiny coin so many can not see beyond.* LaStarza was one of Marciano's best opponents, he was 37-0. How many of y'all *actually studied the 37 guys LaStarza fought?* Well *here they are:* We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.*
#37) Cesar Brion - 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs *C-LEVEL* looks okay until ya *see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians*
Walter Hafer - 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jackie Lyons - 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Carollo - 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Weinberg - 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Gene Gosney - 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs *C-minus-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Mike Jacobs - 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Mel McKinney - 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Teddy Georges - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Oscar Goode - 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tony Gangemi - 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Benny Rusk - 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred McManus - 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Holloway - 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Claude McClintock - 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Steve King - 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs *D to F-LEVEL*
Jimmy White - 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Frankie Reed - 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Mike Belluscio - 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Luther McMillan - 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Ramsey - 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lorne McCarthy - 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Zeke Brown - 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jim Johnson - 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Dodd - 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Al Zappala - 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Zack Johnson - 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Dave Glanton - 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
*Lewis Watson, the boxing writer and historian, speaks of the artificial puffing up of records against cherry picked competition, saying: “Unbeaten records are fairly padded; you have to look if there are any notable victories coming against first rate competition."*
*"Promoters lookin for a way to get their prizefighters a big payoff will first invest thousands of dollars in padding his numbers against truly horrendous opponents. A guy who’s undefeated at 37-0, for example, might not be any better than a more seasoned boxer with a lousy record."* -- The Ring Magazine
*THE WORST 37-0 EVER.* Roland was well protected and very carefully managed. There are so many names from his era conspicuously missing from his record. LaStarza's only claim to fame was having lost a close decision to Marciano. *End of story.*
"His reputation was built on the first Rocky fight. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. Lost and avenged to overstuffed light heavy Dan Bucceroni and to light heavy Rocky Jones and looked terrible against Jones in the rematch. The Jones win and a victory over the faded Rex Layne gave him the credentials to meet Rocky for the title. A fight I am told Rocky was more intent on giving Roland a beating for all of the talk that he "was afraid" to meet LaStarza again. Look at LaStarza's record there are no names on it except for Marciano. I have the complete film of the Jones rematch and believe me LaStarza looked terrible. LaStarza NEVER fought a dangerous opponent except Marciano and thats a fact if you know any of the fighters from his era. I am not saying that LaStarza was a coward but he (or, excuse me, his management) refused matches with Henry, Charles, Baker, and Archie Moore. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he "deserved" a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of "his rightful shot at Marciano." Boo Hoo Hoo. Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with a champion." -- *Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder*
LaStarza was coming off a loss and a win against 14-9-2 Rocky Jones. Layne had lost to the unrated 12-2 Willie James and a light heavyweight contender. The winner of this garbage gets a world title shot against a guy who already beat BOTH of them. *Heavyweight contenders today aren't rated at the top after they lose to unranked journeymen and light heavyweights.*
*LaStarza vs. Layne (uploader William Walker)* reminds me of watching two midwest *club fighters* fightin a *4* rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. *Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill.* Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. *What an oaf.*
I have to question your ability to evaluate fighters. For example you often claim that Marty Marshall was a great fighter. H wasn't, far from it.
@@originalBobbyd *Someone (you) just lost their 4 year account for spamming constant hatred. Thousands and thousands of comments simply vanished in a blink of an eye. Someone (you) is now working around the clock desperately trying to save face with his brand new 3 day old account LMFAO* 😂
The best ever, Rocky Marciano. 49-0 unmatched in the heavyweight division. I find myself continually defending him against comparison to modern day fighters. Modern day athletes are bigger, stronger, and enjoy better training, nutrition, health care, financial support and more. Rocky's accomplishments should always be measured against his peers during his era.
Arrêtez, Marciano ne tiendra pas 3 rounds devant Georges Foreman.
@@sergegregoire5004 Everyone wants to time travel Rocky to fight some modern fighter. He fought in the fifties against his contemporaries. The average heavyweight fighter was 198 pounds. The average NFL offensive lineman was 235 pounds in the fifties.You can't compare athletes across generations. I don't understand why people just can't appreciate the man for what he accomplished.
@artisaprimus6306 Marciano was a great fighter, but let's be honest. There have been many, great fighters Well, before Marciano's time.?
@@bdcarroll415 Of course, Rocky is just one of many.
@artisaprimus6306 Yes, believe me, and there are many that boxing fans will never know or hear of..?
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NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
Jack Dempsey defeated Jess Willard.
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. He wasn't even close to being elite. Jess was clumsy and terrible boxer.
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion. Joe Louis defeated Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer who were large heavyweight boxers. The sport is boxing not weight lifting or USA football.
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was only champion bcz Jack Johnson took a dive. Primo was daily alcoholic and 100% controlled.
@@michaelmettry6120 little Marciano is NOT going to beat a prime Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko or Ike Ibeabuchi etcetera
Marciano was relentless!!!!
THE 3 BIGGER OPPONENTS little MARCIANO FOUGHT:
254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had 4 wins 3 losses, all against smaller opponents.
229 lb Bill "Soccer-ball" Wilson lost (27) times, all against smaller opponents.
220 lb Johnny "Tooth-pick" Shkor lost (19) times, all against smaller opponents.
And this is why we 'NEVER' hear about any of Marciano's 'bigger' opponents as they were D and F-level undercard boxers being paid with room-n-board to pad records.
Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those *SEVENTEEN* opponents (not in order).
Bobo Olson 170 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Clinton Bacon 170 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Harold Johnson 170 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Harold Johnson *TWICE* *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Joey Maxim 174 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Joey Maxim *TWICE* *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Joey Maxim *THRICE* *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Sonny Andrews 177 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Jimmy Slade 180 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Bob Dunlap 180 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Clarence Henry 184 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Toxie Hall 188 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?*
Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career 22 wins 32 losses *F-LEVEL* with 2% KOs.
Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses *F-LEVEL* with an abysmal 24% KOs.
Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses *D-LEVEL* with an abysmal 25% KOs.
Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses *D-LEVEL* with an abysmal 29% KOs.
Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses *C-minus LEVEL*
with a low-power 51% KOs.
Nino Valdes *TWICE*
How can anyone possibly compare Marciano to Moore??? It never was an even playing field.. How many fights did Moore have before he faced Marciano??? *"ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT"* ..give little Rocky 178 fights and put him the same age as Moore what happens??? Light heavyweight Moore beats light heavyweight Marciano 10 out of 10 times!!!!
Marciano's #1 critique has *ALWAYS* been that Louis, Walcott, Charles and Moore were not prime. Moore was factually born in 1913 and Marciano in 1923. Rocky fans only defence is, "but but Moore was on a 21 fight win streak before he fought Marciano." Well analyze those 17 opponents. The 5 Heavyweights were C-minus to F-LEVEL opposition, and his best opponents were genuine light heavyweights. Correct??? Charles, Moore, Matthews, Cockell, Johnson, Bivins, etc. were all genuine light heavyweights. Correct??? A prime 220lb Mike Tyson or a prime 230lb David Tua or a prime 225lb Riddick Bowe takes out all these light heavyweights in only 1 or 2 rounds.
*MARCIANO NEVER FACED AN ELITE FIGHTER IN HIS PRIME. NAME ONE, JUST ONE PRIME ELITE FIGHTER MARCIANO BEAT???* FAILING TO NAME EVEN ONE PROVES MY COMMENT RINGS TRUE... *SHOW ME ANY RESPECTED BOXING PUBLICATION OR ANALYST THAT CLAIMS WALCOTT, CHARLES AND MOORE WERE IN THEIR PRIME WHEN THEY FOUGHT MARCIANO???* TIC-TOC TIC-TOC
I have heard Teddy Atlas claim Rocky fought all time greats in their prime. Would you consider Teddy Atlas to be well respected? I would
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Absolutelyyyy Rocky had heart. Just as Joe Frazier was all heart. But look what Big George did to Frazier's heart, bounced it up and down off the canvas like a basket🏀ball. Little Hearts can only take you so far in the land of Bigger Hearts.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again
yeah but joe got up everytime. imagine if they didnt stop it. george would gas and get koed
@@blankblank1257 Joe was knocked down 6 times, the last in which he was lifted off the floor. If the fight wasn't stopped Joe would have gotten killed.
King Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and flummox him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. Rocky ain't gettin the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins! Anyway he chooses!
Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm grateful to see him in my lifetime. A focused Fury is boxing evolved to it's highest state ever. 277 lbs of brutal jabs, snappy punches, slick head movement, good footwork, granite chin, relaxed stamina and great intelligence. Transport 'The King' back to that little 1950s era and he woulda went 149 wins 0 losses with 100% KO's!
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NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION
Fury is ducking usyk who weights 217 and is a blown up cruise weight and is fighting an MMA fighter that has never boxed before lol stop being a casual man
Don Turner said, "Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever see." Marciano had his last fight in New York 1955. Turner was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!
Turner said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74.
Here is some of the top rated trainers of all time. Won't see Don anywhere;
Cus D' Amato, Eddie Futch, Freddie Roach, Ignacio "Nacho", Beristain, Lou Duva, Emanuel Steward, Angelo Dundee, Jack Blackburn, Teddy Atlas, Roger Mayweather, Gil Clancy, Ray Arcel and more, but NO Don!
Vitali fans, Wladimir fans, Fury fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans, Frazier fans, Lewis fans, Holmes fans, Tyson fans NEVER discuss Don's bull••••. Only-Rocky-Lover-Fanboys ever discuss Don.
Don lost all credibility when he convinced Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing." Needless to say the lack of a cutman was determining factor that cost Holyfield the heavyweight championship against Moorer.
Evander Holyfield fired him. Michael Grant fired him. Everyone gave Don the-boot. Fighters only worked with him as a last resort. Emanuel Steward and other trainers despised him.
The 40s and 50s are Gone-Don, and so is little Marciano!
@Maria.Isabella.Sanchez you are precious my love... ❤
James D. Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of 'Blinky' Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious Italian mobsters) created The International Boxing Club Of New York (IBC) to control boxing and everybody involved.
It's interesting how people who experienced watching him in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Wladimir, Ibeabuchi, Frazier, etc). All the professionals, managers, trainers, boxing writers and historians in the 50s, 60s and 70s only rated Rocky #7, #8, #9 and #10 Heavyweight, all-time. Funny how his status rises as fewer people remain who actually covered him when he fought. There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record.
Rocky Marciano's record was 49-0, 43 KO's. Therefore, he should be at the top of heavyweight champions.
Nothing has really changed really. His contemporaries thought he looked beatable because of his unorthodox boxing style and size-that was, until they got in the ring with him and couldn’t beat him! Even today, he remains underrated for the exact same reasons he was underrated when he fought.
@@rebeccapeacock1310 "Consider that in Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired." -- By Monte D. Cox, 2004
*SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A SMALL CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s & 70s TO TOP ((3)) IN 2023???*
*Bcz his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165-lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 245-lb Riddick Bowe who only lost 'one' time!
Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they still *ACKNOWLEDGE ((17)) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that.
The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0. It does not see LH Charles was ring worn and factually had ALS. It does not see Moore was 41yrs old and was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms does not see 37yr old Joe Louis was forced out of retirement and his once speedy reflexes had vanished. Nor can the computer see 39yr old Walcott also came out of retirement and was given ((6)) attempts at the title bcz the division was so weak!
*THIS IS EXACTLY WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!!!*
@@rebeccapeacock1310 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time in 1962. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s.
Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.*
Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future.
In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing.
Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate.
Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.”
In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.”
Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.
@@rebeccapeacock1310 Marciano's opponents: *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, and F,* which has been used for decades:
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good *B-LEVEL* resume. Problem is *he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore-Layne-LaStarza lost (94) times and were KO'd (28) times!!!*
(( In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine ))
(( Promoters looking for a way to get their prizefighters a big payday will first invest thousands of dollars in padding his numbers by putting him up against “opponents”-guys with truly horrendous records. A guy who’s undefeated at 37-0, for example, might not be any better than a more seasoned boxer with a lousy record -- by Daniel Enberg | BoxRec ))
*Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat?? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano??*
Walcott was slick and stronger than his size would indicate. Rocky’s ability to carry his power late in fights saved the day for him here. Great fight.
It was more than that....
ROCKY had to have the ability to wear Walcott down in a grueling fight where he ROCKY was absorbing considerable punishment. ROCKY put Joe in that retreating mode Joe was in in round 13.
One would think since Marciano was only 185 that he would at least have faster hands than the true Heavyweights right? But Maricano had the slowest hands I've ever seen on a boxer.
When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle, and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two warriors stood toe to toe and gave it their all, showing exceptional heart and endurance.
I try my best to envision light heavyweights Charles & Moore fightin "The Tuamanator" and always end up laughing. And "The President" would have walked through cruiserweights Marciano & Walcott as if they were invisible.
Imagine penguin arms tryin to fight top-notch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 85" albatross wingspans and 40 to 90 pound weight advantages? 184 pounds give me a break, what a joke. Marciano was the best during his little post war era 3-generations ago but unfortunately he would not be relevant against today's top-notch Super Heavyweights similar to undefeated 270lb Joyce, undefeated 263lb Makhmudov, undefeated 248lb Sanchez, undefeated 247lb Hrgovic, undefeated 245lb Anderson and undefeated 275lb Fury just to name a few.
And then there are so many other real-Heavyweights little Rocky couldn't handle similar to Ibeabuchi Lewis Bowe Vitali Ruddock Witherspoon Grant Bruno Holmes Ali Foreman Liston Tyson Tua Usyk Wladimir Ruiz Parker Ortiz Dokes Lyle Thomas Weaver Briggs Morrison Cooney and Wilder. I could easily list another 25.
I liked Ibeabuchi, think he could have been one of the best ever heavyweights, only he had psychological problems. Very sad. Yet, you underestimate Marciano. He beat up big men like today's heavyweights, too. Dempsey was 180 something just over 6 feet tall, and he beat the hell out of one of the biggest heavyweight champions, ever, over 6 feet 6 inches tall, 240 somthing pounds, Jess Willard.
More so, why dont you listen to the guy who trained both Klitschko brothers, Evander Holyfield and countless other champions and top boxers, Don Turner.
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The punch from Marciano would have finished off any fighter in history.
100 percent true he hit him so hard he got punch on the hardest hitting board
Ali says marciano could beat em. Styles make fights. I cant see rocky beating liston or foreman though.
Except for Larry Holmes. After the bomb he took from Shavers, I think he could have withstand everything.
Bullshit, Marciano beat old past their prime fighters and bums nobody ever heard of. He wouldn’t beat Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson, Earnie Shavers, Big George Foreman, Sam Langford, Jack Johnson, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Larry Holmes or a prime Joe Louis. Marciano is the most overrated boxer in history.
@@bossplayermfs5972 Preach
He never lost because he fought old used has-beens and his Italian mafioso cousins served him hand-picked bums on a silver platter. When he saw young speedy-fast Patterson and monster Liston climbing the ranks he suddenly made excuses for his immediate departure. Gotta give it to him though, he entered boxing just at the right time. Nobody worth a damn to fight.
Greg yr so wrong he fought everybody u imbosol
No disrespect to Louis ...You don't think Marciano could have beaten the ' bum of the month ' club..ie Galento,Arturo Gaddoy etc..He couldn't beat Braddock or Schmeling..stop..I could scrutinize anyone's record
@@mikechubb9810 Mike marciano.number 1
Lol he beat everyone around him. You know nothing about boxing princess..
Maria go sew up some socks yr 🙄an idot
@ 3: 27 the banner-caption or on-screen text reads;
ARCHIE MOORE CLASSIC SPORTS At age 42, second oldest ever to fight for heavyweight championship (George Foreman, age 45 in 1994)
Archie's age is no longer a mystery. Wiki recently removed 1916 and went with 1913 per family request. “My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore
Jul 20, 2020 - Archie Moore - BoxRec writes -- "Moore claimed he was born December 13, 1916, but his mother said he was born December 13, 1913. The U.S. Census record from 1920 seems to put an end to the mystery. "Archie L. Wright" is listed as a nephew in the household of Cleveland Moore and was three years and two months old on the date of the census" - January 2, 1920.
So BoxRec says, "'Seems"' to put an "'end'" to the mystery."
Who said it's the "'end'" ?
BoxRec serves maybe two million folks. Wiki serves Billions and they say 1913. Archie's Mother and Archie's children say 1913 so they take precedent. Archie's mother did not fill out that census form, an uncle did who lived in a different state.
Archie claimed he was born in 1916 in Collinsville, Illinois. But Archie's Mother told reporters numerous times, "Archibald was born in 1913 in Benoit, Mississippi" and that she was "never in Collinsville." December 13, 1913 was even written in his obituary by his children. "My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore
Says Billy Moore, Archie’s 68-year-old son who lives in San Diego, “My daddy was born in Benoit, Mississippi, and he was proud of it. If I heard him say it once, I heard him say it hundreds of times."
@ BoxRec - Wikipedia --- 'Criticism of website' -very first sentence reads, ""BoxRec has been criticized for not keeping correct records for boxers, especially historic fighters"" Here's a perfect example of BoxRec's inaccuracies and why they're criticized...Walcott's actual record is 51-18-2 and he was KO'd (5) times...yet BoxRec shows ""49-20-1 KO'd (6) times""