Marciano was on a “no-lose” mission to achieving greatness and he did so by simply out-working and out-conditioning all fighting foes. His work ethic was nothing short of remarkably consistent and disciplined: hours of running, gym work, sparring, push-ups and sit-ups, countless medicine-ball thumps to the gut. Marciano was committed to his training regimen. Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think, Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset. Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning. In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night. He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted. He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag. He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds). He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else. Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour. And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar. Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds. No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion. There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp. Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.” And he wasn’t. Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply: “Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.” And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset. Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning. In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night. He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted. He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag. He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds). He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else. Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour. And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar. Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds. No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion. There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp. Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.” And he wasn’t. Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply: “Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.” And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
Rocky was almost as popular as the President and so many sports writers across America was printing information about him during his championship years. Some of that material is rare and great sources of authentic information. Rocky Marciano: The 13th Candle Rocky Marciano: Training And Meal Of Great Champion The Rocky Marciano Story - 1954 Rocky Marciano's Book of Boxing and Bodybuilding Rocky Marciano: The Winner ! This Guy Marciano Rocky Marciano: A Life Story Rocky Marciano: Undefeated Heavyweight Champion Of The World Rocky: The Story Of A Champion Undefeated: Rocky Marciano The Fighter Who Refused To Lose Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster Rocky Marciano: The Immortal Champion Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times Rocky Marciano: Biography Of A First Son Unbeaten And much more through boxing magazines, newspaper articles, 1952 LIFE magazine, 1955 Sports Illustrated, etcetera. I stand by the "5 pounds" built into his combat boots only through his early training years at the park next to his mother/father's house. When his training became more advanced he ran in Converse black-and-white version of the All Star tennis shoes.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
He was a high-school dropout who worked a series of dead-end jobs - delivering coal, laboring in factories making candy, beverages, and shoes, slinging hash in a diner, digging ditches, clearing land, and fixing sidewalks. But Marciano had two world-class skills. He could absorb a frightful beating, and he could knock men out cold. “I was a nobody,” he was fond of saying. “In the ring, I became a somebody."
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
I loved Rocky Marciano's response when someone asked him what he was thinking when Walcott knocked him down in their first fight: "Gee, this fellow hits hard. I might have to get up a couple of times before I knock him out."
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was a never ending onslaught of cardiovascular brutality. He had a chin that allowed him to exchange and let him set his feet to put guys under. He also had some of the sneakiest footwork and underrated defenses the sport has seen.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset. Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning. In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night. He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted. He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag. He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds). He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else. Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour. And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar. Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds. No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion. There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp. Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.” And he wasn’t. Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply: “Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.” And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest Heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other Heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will. The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
Don't let anyone tell you different, Marciano faced some very formidable hall of fame opponents. Walcott and Charles were not washed up when they fought him. They both fought the first fight brilliantly. While Rocky stopped the old mongoose it was a grueling fight. At first Moore seemed the better boxer but the Blockbuster would not be stopped. His incredible conditioning and brutal punching were all to much for Archie. Rocky defined what the heart of a champion is in this fight.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Marciano was single-mindedly determined to succeed. “I’ve been in this boxing business fifty years, and I’ve never seen anyone like you yet,” Goldman told the fighter after he became champion. “Work. Work. Work. Train. Train. Train. Sometimes I suspect you’re not even human.” Marciano’s work ethic and indomitable will to win were the key elements of his rise, along with a final ingredient, the only one supplied by nature: a right-hand punch that put even superior boxers to sleep.
There are some who never give up. There is nothing to do, they do not go down. And if they go down, they get up. You will always find them before you, maybe staggering, blood-filled, ready to step on. Sport teaches you cannot always win... They do not care, do not believe that, and always win: with a broken nose, with closed eye, a blood-red mouth. Rocky was like this. Rough, wild, fearless. His straight right punch was equivalent to a 9th grade richter. His left hook punch was an electroshock. He was not there to lose. An invincible.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said, "after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning."
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
Marciano's monastic monk like year round daily runs and 3 to 5 month preparation per fight was unprecedented. Never seeking refuge in a clinch and couldn't be hurt he broke spirits. Rocky beat them up, rearranged their bone structure and knocked them out.
Marciano was single-mindedly determined to succeed. “I’ve been in this boxing business fifty years, and I’ve never seen anyone like you yet,” Goldman told the fighter after he became champion. “Work. Work. Work. Train. Train. Train. Sometimes I suspect you’re not even human.” Marciano’s work ethic and indomitable will to win were the key elements of his rise, along with a final ingredient, the only one supplied by nature: a right-hand punch that put even superior boxers to sleep.
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Joe Walcott was a great fighter. He hit like a mule kick and could take a hard punches and combinations with barely any effect, then keep on fighting like nothing hit him at all. In boxing history, he is under rated, and if he were fighting today, would beat most, and perhaps all Heavy weight opponents. ROCKY MARCIANO, well, one of a kind. Incredible endurance, as fresh in the last round, as in the first. Exceedingly aggressive, tenacious and very strong He could take the hardest punches thrown at him and keep fighting as if he didn't get hit at all. Marciano was one of the hardest punchers in history. If we are talking pound for pound, I would say he is the hardest puncher. I'm almost certain, if fighting today, or any time in history he would beat any Heavy weight, why you may ask... Style. As George Foreman has said: "Marciano was right at your chest, the minute the bell rang." He gave fighters with longer arms no room to box and set him up. In the words of Muhammad Ali: “Marciano hit harder than Joe Frazer." and continued by saying: " No other fighter in history could take a beating like Marciano,' with his nose split in two and partially hanging off, and continue fighting, knocking out his opponent. You have to be born that way, it can’t be taught or learned in the gym.”’
empirical43 a few words to that pile of garbage Ted lowery ,Colley Wallace, and the host of young youthful fighters he ducked and avoid who wouldn't stand for any bollocks and who wouldn't take any shit from. Anyone .
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long. Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs. By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem. If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco *Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight* *(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."* Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"* Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."* Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."* Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76* (As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:* *“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”* *“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."* Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated: *“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”* Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said: *“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."* *“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."* *“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."* *“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."* *"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange. Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."* (( Source - RING, Sept. 1965 Walcott insist Ali would beat Dempsey, Louis, Rocky, etc. by Ed Brennan )) In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about....should i believe you,, a biased casual,, or Jersey Joe ?
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City *"Marciano admitted he could not beat a prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who!
"I have always adhered to two principles. The first one is to train hard and get in the best possible physical condition. The second is to forget all about the other fellow until you face him in the ring and the bell sounds for the fight." -- Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long. Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs. By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem. If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco *Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight* *(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."* Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"* Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."* Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."* Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76* (As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:* *“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”* *“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."* Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated: *“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”* Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said: *“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."* *“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."* *“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."* *“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."* *"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange. Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."* (( Source - RING, Sept. 1965 Walcott insist Ali would beat Dempsey, Louis, Rocky, etc. by Ed Brennan )) In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about....should i believe you,, a biased casual,, or Jersey Joe ?
*C-LEVEL Journeyman Walcott lost to Middleweights Mays ,, Palmer ,, Ketchell ,, and to Light heavyweights Charles x2 ,, Fox x2 ,, Maxim ,, Brothers ,, Taylor.. In summary Walcott consistently lost to Middleweights and Light heavyweights!!! Overall he lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times!!!*
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
The way Rocky throws punches from every conceivable point on the compass is not only fun to watch but inspiring. He was a perpetual motion punching machine that ground his opponents down like a hydraulic drill attacking a boulder.
Rocky was almost as popular as the President and so many sports writers across America was printing information about him during his championship years. Some of that material is rare and great sources of authentic information. Rocky Marciano: The 13th Candle Rocky Marciano: Training And Meal Of Great Champion The Rocky Marciano Story - 1954 Rocky Marciano's Book of Boxing and Bodybuilding Rocky Marciano: The Winner ! This Guy Marciano Rocky Marciano: A Life Story Rocky Marciano: Undefeated Heavyweight Champion Of The World Rocky: The Story Of A Champion Undefeated: Rocky Marciano The Fighter Who Refused To Lose Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster Rocky Marciano: The Immortal Champion Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times Rocky Marciano: Biography Of A First Son Unbeaten And much more through boxing magazines, newspaper articles, 1952 LIFE magazine, 1955 Sports Illustrated, etcetera. I stand by the "5 pounds" built into his combat boots only through his early training years at the park next to his mother/father's house. When his training became more advanced he ran in Converse black-and-white version of the All Star tennis shoes.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset. Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning. In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night. He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted. He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag. He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds). He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else. Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour. And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar. Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds. No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion. There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp. Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.” And he wasn’t. Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply: “Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.” And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
What a fascinating fight. Walcott looks like the best of our modern fighters... size, power, physique and skills. Marciano is a total anomaly. He's small(184 pounds), and very unorthodox. Yet he's always stalking, and relentless. He has dynamite in both hands. What a devastating KO.
You're very true I boxed a long time and not much has changed from the 1910s 1908 until Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali course did the road to go he also pulled you in and pulled you down where you out hold on your neck these old fights are really good
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
this was the greatest effort of walcott's career, he fought like a man possessed, not wanting to give up the belt. and ironically he engaged in a slugfest with Marciano despite the fact that he was a slick boxer. one of the best fights ive ever seen. these guys were throwing haymakers from the opening bell. Marciano was the greatest late round fighter that ever lived.
The most overlooked and underrated aspect of Marcianos game was that he was really difficult to keep at the end of your punches and land the jab on. His overall defense wasn’t anything special but his jab defense in particular was really good, he rarely got hit with jabs as a contender to champion
yeah but jersey joe got knocked out in the rematch in the 1st round because he remembered the 13th round shot that crippled him and he could have gotten up but didn't want to take another shot from old rocky
Jersey Joe Walcott was 38 in this fight and Rocky 29! That is quite a big age gap. That's why Rocky is not rated as the greatest, he did fight a lot of older fighters, Joe Loius and Archie Moore, etc! Rocky also had big gaps between fighting to keep himself strong! Yes he had huge punching power, but i don't he could have handled Joe Frazier let alone ALI! Ezzard Charles spit his nose in their first fight, ALI would have cut his face to ribbons and the fight would have been stopped! ALI beat Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman! Rocky never fought men of that caliber, except Ezzard!
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
@@Samantha_Lavery_Medici Other fighters had more finesse. But none of them during the Rock's era were better conditioned, could hit as hard or had as much heart and desire to win. That's why he went undefeated during his reign as heavyweight champion. Had he not retired in 1956, he would have run into such up and comers as Floyd Patterson, Ingmar Johansen and maybe Sonny Liston. It's anyone's guess who would have come out on top in those matches.
Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott's 20 losses: *1.* ln 1930 Walcott lost to 159-lb Palmer. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *SEVEN* years old. *2.* In 1930 Walcott lost to 158-lb Carl Mays. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *EIGHT* years old. *3.* In 1933 Walcott lost to 177-lb Henry Taylor. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TEN* years old. *4.* In 1936 Walcott was *KOd* by 191-lb Al Ettore. Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old. *5.* In 1936 Walcott lost to 179-lb Billy Ketchell. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old. *6.* In 1937 Walcott was *KOd* by 178-lb Tiger Jack Fox. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old. *7.* In 1937 Walcott lost to 174-lb George Brothers. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old. *8.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 184-lb Tiger Jack Fox AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old. *9.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 197-lb Roy Lazer. Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old. *10.* In 1940 Walcott was *KOd* and sent into *RETIREMENT* for *3-years* by 256-lb Abe Simon. A Super Heavyweight in every sense, he benefitted from a remarkable sixty-two pound weight advantage. Behind in points in the first five rounds, Simon unleashed a tremendous right @ 2:32 into the sixth causing the knockout. Walcott barely moved as he was counted out." -- Wiki* ..Simon was sent into *permanent RETIREMENT* by Joe Louis in 1942. Marciano was *SEVENTEEN* years old. *11.* In 1945 Walcott lost to 204-lb Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was *TWENTY TWO* years old. *12.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 179-lb Joey Maxim. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old. *13.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 191-lb Elmer Ray. Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old. *14.* In 1947 Walcott lost to 212-pound Joe Louis. *JOE LOUIS SAID HE BEAT WALCOTT IN THIS BOUT.. LOUIS ALSO SAID WALCOTT WAS OLDER THAN HE WAS (@ Louis vs. Walcott The Way it Was Part 1 and 2).* Marciano was *TWENTY FOUR* years old. *15.* In 1948 Walcott was *KOd* by 213-lb Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the Journeyman so he announced his retirement March 1, 1949. Louis's once speedy reflexes were gone and it showed. Marciano was *TWENTY FIVE* years old. *16.* In 1949 Walcott lost to 181-lb Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the *"vacant"* Heavyweight title. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY SIX* years old. *17.* In 1950 Walcott lost to 192-lb Rex Layne. Marciano was *TWENTY SEVEN* years old. *18.* In 1951 Walcott lost to 185-lb Ezzard Charles AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY EIGHT* years old. *19.* In 1952 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY NINE* years old. *IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) - WHAT HAPPENS???* *20.* In 1953 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTY* years old and Walcott was very close to *FORTY!!!* *It was advantageous that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik' bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military.*
Rocky was a relentless , swarming, bludgeoning type of fighter, who simply outfought, outpunched and outlasted everyone he stepped into the ring with. Tremendous will and stamina, and raw bonecrunching power made him formidable , you just couldn't discourage him in his obsessed craving to win at all costs.......A really tough fighter.......and a great unbeaten champ
Rocky only had six title defenses, in my opinion you should have a minimum of ten/twelve title defenses to be considered an all time great. IJS..they have minimum at bats and minimum innings pitched in baseball, minimum games played, minimum pass attempts in football, IJS.
So much respect for ALL these greats. Warriors, Gladiators, MEN. Never hate on any man that’s willing to get in the ring. They are scared, yet they are feared. What a great fight! Beautiful fight between two beautiful champions.
♦️How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter. Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula. Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges. Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!! Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
@@Jabbing_Jack I think you are being a little hard on Marciano. That first fight with Walcott required the heart of a lion to win. Walcott was punishing Marciano badly but Marciano never quit. Most fighters would have laid down and taken the lose. That fight and the fight with Charles, where Marciano's nose was split, tells me all I need to know about the guy. He wasn't a quitter. He was smart enough to quit while he was ahead and still have a fully functioning brain.
@@Jabbing_Jack You sound like a leftist with your little hate spat. You got the point accrues you hate the fact Rocky Marciano was the only undefeated heavy weight champion of the world and a Sonny Liston fan but hey you can't change real history as much as you people like to think so. Here is a little fun fact, Rocky never ducked anybody ever and beat their ass equally regardless of race, creed or color and here is another little fun fact, it took his wife to talk him out of boxing or he would have ran that record up even more. He was a equal opportunity ass kicker. Deal with it.
@@Jabbing_Jack here you are you black racist troll doing everything you can to troll rocky. You just can't stand that rocky beat up your black idols and retired undeafeated.
This fight was the first time I ever saw television! I was in the first grade, and a friend of my Dad had a television set...the only one in town! Thanks for reviving my memories!
Joe Walcott was an awesome fighter.. He was just too damn old in this fight. Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily. To be fair, Joe was smart enough to know Rocky wasn't hurt after that 1st round Knock down and took a longer approach to the bout. He was going for a points decision, and he was ahead on all 3 scorecards into the 13th round. I'd say if Rocky hadn't fooled him so expertly in that final exchange, had they not been throwing at the same time, Walcott would've retained the belt. Rocky said "that night I thought Joe was the greatest boxer in the world!" He said he learned a lot from it.
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
*By the 1950s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers around the world were trying to get their hands on some. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s and by the 1950s they were prolific* 💊🤢💉 *To think millionaire Marciano was drug free is ludacris. During his time Marciano was the most popular athlete in America and he had Best Physicians helping him!!!* 💊💊💊🤢💉💉💉
Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%. Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%. Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
No matter how old Walcott was in this bout, he gave Rocky his toughest fight other than Charles. Walcott got better age, crafty, slick, a ring cutie. Had it gone to distance he would've won on points.....Rocky is just pure class, not many escaped his KO power. RIP to both of these legends...gotta love this sport
Bun B I like wat yer saying but theres no way Jersey Joe was gonna win that on points. Rocky had him on the way out from rd 9 on, it was only Joes guts, heart, skillz n pride that was keeping him in it. Rocky wore him down with top class pressure.
Great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...a beast in the ring...and class outside of it...put The Rock in with anyone!
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan "One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston "Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis "The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali "My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield "Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier "Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles "Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott "Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore "Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer "Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali "Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza "One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman If that is not respect, I don't know what is
si, b. sul ring e Classe nella vita; il bel film su di lui -che consiglio a tutti- rende benissimo il concetto, basta ricordare il rapporto con J. Louis...-
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime. 40yr old cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was already fighting pro when little Rocky was only 7yrs old! *Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease in 1951. *Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the little 189 lb cruiser. Exactly 95% of Moore's 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruisers. *Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.* Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky quit bcz he was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. I have the source. *If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, and his trainers (Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera, Bill Gore) said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
In the 11th and 12th rounds , Rocky and his brother even admitted that Walcott beat him up so badly that they were unsure if Rocky could continue the fight after each of those rounds. 12th round especially into the mid point of 13th, Joe looked like he was about to finish it. Had Walcott been 25 to 30 yrs old instead of 40, he definitely would have finished it.
@@Bobby.D.1776get out of the past and stop making excuses for yourself🐸🍿any jackass knows why boxing lost it's audience ? Any one of those 50 people would have bitch slapped you or me!
@@Bobby.D.1776Indeed! Long before the ALS, Ezzard had killed Sam Baroudi inside the ring in 1948 and he lost his killer instinct after that. Obviously prime Louis from 1938-1944 , would've destroyed Rocky and prime Charles would've beaten Marciano too Walcott and Moore never would've beaten Marciano and the only reason that Walcott was dominating in their first Title Fight was because Rocky was blinded for 4 rounds . All of the top young Heavyweights like Valdes, Baker Henry, Jackson, Walls and Buccerino never got a shot at the Title. Rocky was smart to retire on top at 32 years of age. He wasn't brain damaged like Louis Charles, Ali, Frazier, etc.
In the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. *SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???* *Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!* Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that. The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
Walcott was an all time great fighter who probably beats any heavyweight in history on that night. His movement, agility, punching power and guile would be a nightmare for any heavyweight in history. I believe this was his greatest performance. He just went up against the most relentless and determined heavyweight in history. The Marciano right hand bomb that ended the fight was so monstrous that it sounded like a thunder clap. According to ringside observers, women and children ran toward the exit signs of Municipal stadium crying because they thought Walcott was dead.
@studentofsweetscience I agree that Walcott might have thought that Marciano was not on his level but I think he knew he had to hold his ground and get Marciano's respect, especially early in the fight. Also, it would be very hard for somebody to move for 15 rounds without running out of gas. Marciano actually got stronger as the fight went on. His conditioning and belief in his strength were unbelievable. Walcott was incredibly slick but also tough and powerful in his own right.Some of the exchanges they had in the middle rounds were ferocious. Neither fighter had any fear of the other. The lead left hook that dropped Marciano early was a great shot . Walcott starched the great Ezzard Charles with a similar punch. It seemed like once Marciano got warmed up he became almost indestructible, because Walcott hit him with much harder shots later in the fight and Marciano didn't blink. This was no doubt a great fight between 2 truly great fighters.
@studentofsweetscience I had Walcott winning the Joe Louis fight as most people did, however Marciano was a pure pressure fighter where Louis was a stand up boxer. Walcott was able to rest in spaces throughout the Louis fight. Marciano forced the pace by constantly coming forward. No doubt Walcott was in tremendous shape and didn't really slow down much in the Marciano fight. He just got caught on the chin by one of the great shots in ring history. Jersey Joe Walcott's courage might have cost him the championship. Right before the knockout shot, Walcott backed up to the ropes trying to make Marciano walk into a shot. Marciano shuffled forward and threw a range finding jab that was not intended to land but to measure Walcott. The jab also turned his shoulders , putting Marciano into perfect position to launch the right hand with full leverage. They both threw right hands at the same time. Marciano started his right slightly before Walcott started his and the rest is history. I had Walcott ahead on points but the tide was turning. In the middle and especially the late rounds Walcott started to realize that he couldn't knockout Marciano which is why he started to box and move a lot more. I thought Walcott fought an almost perfect fight but that one mistake cost him the title. If you look closely, after Walcott landed the great left hook that dropped Rocky in the first round, Marciano got up on steady legs and went right at Walcott and won the rest of that round. The fact that Marciano was able to recover so quickly from a knockout shot like that is one of the reasons he was so hard to beat.
Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL* Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low *15 points* for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. *Who did he beat?* His best win *was against Walcott* but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.* Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL* Walcott scores *55 points* for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. *He's more famous for his losses than his wins.* Ali scored *164 points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77* and little Marciano only scored *48 points!* Ali is the only Heavyweight with an *A+ LEVEL.* Marciano is *B-LEVEL* for his *weak competition* and *lack of points.* *(I'll ad a comment below thoroughly explaining Walcott's C-LEVEL resume in detail).* Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a-low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156 points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight because *(23)* losses is *too many.* Ali only had *5,* Louis only had *3,* Lennox only had *2,* Wladimir only had *5,* Liston only had *4,* Vitali only had *2,* Bowe only had *1* etc. *BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!!* Well little Rocky only had *49* so *stop whining.* Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.* Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are *Meaningless.* If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just like undisputed undefeated light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks was. --- *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes.
After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.
You are in every comment section of Marcianos fights with multiple different accounts bashing him, posting the same nonsense to discredit him and then upvoting your own comments. 😂😂😂 Probably some dumb n…… You are a LOSER.
I’m going on 87 years old and remember watching this fight through a furniture store window. The store would turn on a black and white TV, and turn it toward the storefront window. Always liked the Saturday Night Fights. I was around 15 years old.
Undefeated cause he retiered young. JOE Louis had to keep fighting after his prime ,becaus the govetment got him in Debt while he served in world war 2.
"A perfect record does not mean that someone is the greatest. Rocky Marciano never lost a fight, but I never hear anyone say he's the greatest Heavyweight champion of all time." - Authored by: Steve Sabol Sabol was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2011 as a contributor due to his works with NFL Films. While NFL Films has won over 100 Emmys, Sabol himself has received 35 of those Emmys for writing, cinematography, editing, directing, and producing. No one else in all of television has earned as many Emmys in as many different categories. He was also a boxing scholar/historian.
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach. Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach. Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach. Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach. Shocking isn't it. Those other small guys weren't so small after all. They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems. On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively. Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!
If little Marciano had just ONE draw (48-0-1) everyone would have abandoned his ship long ago. But his '0' is the ONLY thing that keeps him afloat. Marciano's top 10 ranking is determined by computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man made program was coded to exclude WEIGHT from the equation. That's why 165 lb 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible 185 lb Marciano ranks higher than Fury Ibeabuchi Holmes Lewis Bowe Vitali Wladimir Foreman etcetera? Now we know why. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165 to 275 lbs, ranking bodies still exclude WEIGHT from their metric, yet they acknowledge (17) different WEIGHT classes, imagine that. Top 10 rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt!!! Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he had 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Charles/Moore ranked higher than Spinks? Because they fought little Marciano which automatically makes them immortal even though they Lost "FORTY-EIGHT" times and were "KTFO-FOURTEEN" times. It's no wonder HOF Greats Jimmy Cannon and Bert Sugar said, "Marciano's era was horseshit."
Wow, two titans smashing each other. I had no idea of how formidable Walcott was. And the relentlessly attacking Marciano is a sight to behold. Marciano was always coming at you even if you hurt him. Much respect to both.
First off comparing what round who beat who is nonsensical. Styles make fights. Ali went 15 rounds almost with Chuck Wepner and the year before knocked Foreman in his peak out in 8 rounds. In your ridiculous theory you're saying Chuck Wepner was way better than Foreman! Yeah right! Furthermore no fighter was ever better conditioned than Rocky. Read his training regimen. Rocky's lunches hit with the same force as an armor piercing bullet. Get that an armor piercing bullet. He beat every person he was ever in front of and was often a a big size disadvantage. He stalked you the entire fight and applied pressure like no other fighter. He had a killer instinct that maybe only Tyson, Foreman, and Liston could have matched. And would have given any heavyweight in history fits with his style. 49-0 with 43ko's. No one even close to that in history! His prime was later than most but what a prime he had for about 5 years. And was smart enough to quit on top and be remembered as a legend and all time great that he is!
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
My God! These guys are incredible. Just one of those body shots by the Rock to the average man would have broken all their ribs 3 x over! And Joe keeps on fighting? How? True champions both!
Hall of Fame All Time Great Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, yet only lost by split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
Fourteen months after Marciano fights Moore he calls the Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore match at-ringside. The defeatism in Marciano's voice is undeniably resigned to futility. He is flabbergasted at Patterson's blinding speed and immediately realizes it would be pointless to make a comeback even though every sportswriter across America is begging him to come out of retirement after Patterson just walked through everything Moore threw without blinking and KO’d Archie in 5. Directly after Patterson beat Moore for the vacant heavyweight championship Cus D'Amato suggested that the return of Rocky Marciano to the ring would be most welcome and would draw "the greatest gate in history." Marciano "declined" --written by Vault | SI 1956 It says in the book-( The Greatest Fights.. That Never Were ) -by Matthew Bazell, that Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Patterson. Marciano was offered 2 MILLION dollars. The Patterson people including Cus wanted that fight so bad. But Marciano wouldn't take it no matter how much he was offered. ( Marciano discusses his multi-million dollar offers @-( The Marciano Tapes #3 ) [[ Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore by SPORTvidos ]]
Rocky Marciano would have demolished Floyd Patterson with the greatest of ease. No defeatism in Rocky Marciano, that was reserved for all his opponents, Rocky couldn't be beat period..
Marciano didn’t beat an old man. He eat a great fighter during an excellent stretch in his in career. Joe Walcott is an all time great and did some of his best boxing at the end of his career.
James D. Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of 'Blinky' Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious Italian mobsters) created The International Boxing Club Of New York (IBC) to control boxing and everybody involved.
Imagine the pain the next day after being involved in this onslaught, what a fight, your average man is down and out after one of them body slugs. Brilliant classic fight, cheers for the upload, it should remain on TH-cam forever. 👍
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset. Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning. In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night. He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted. He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag. He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds). He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else. Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour. And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar. Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds. No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion. There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp. Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.” And he wasn’t. Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply: “Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.” And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
This fight just makes my respect for Jersey Joe grow even more. He was slicker than oil, could punch like a sledgehammer, especially with the hook, he knew every trick in the book, and in this fight looked almost ready to defend his title to the death if need be.
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky with 67" flyweight reach was a great champ in his own era and a credit to the sport of boxing, however he boxed in a weak post war drained era where boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost, Rocky, in fact never beat one 200+lbs, prime, genuine Heavyweight and struggled badly with some of the old opposition that he did beat. *Since then there's been many, many other topnotch genuine 220 to 300+lbs Heavyweights similar to:* Miller - 333 lbs Zhang - 287 Joyce - 280 Fury - 277 Ngannou - 272 Makhmudov - 260 Briggs - 265 Ruiz - 265 Grant - 265 Foreman - 260 Lennox - 250 Ibeabuchi - 245 Vitali - 250 Peter - 250 Wladimir - 245 Parker - 250 Bowe - 245 Anderson - 245 Hrgovic - 245 Sanchez - 245 Whyte - 250 Joshua - 250 Ruddock - 245 Ortiz - 240 Witherspoon - 235 Tua - 235 Dokes - 235 Bruno - 230 Liston - 220 Tyson - 220 Thomas - 225 Morrison - 230 Cooney - 230 Wilder - 230 Lyle - 220 Usyk - 222 Holmes - 218 Ali - 218 *Marciano - 184*
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns! Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
*ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Had enough strength to sign the contracts and cash the checks though. Guess we should ignore the 8 ko victories he had between '51 and the loss to Marciano.
*Famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's disease for 55 years after he was diagnosed in 1963.* Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* ... Charles lost the title to Walcott in 51. He attempted to regain the title 3 times, losing once to Walcott in 52 and twice to Marciano in 54. *There's no room for debate. Too many reputable witnesses. Charles was 100% factually handicapped when he fought Marciano!*
Teddy Brenner, who worked for Al Weill in the late-1940s and subsequently became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing, later acknowledged, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter, he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager, he was controlled by Carbo.” In May 1949, Weill became the matchmaker for the International Boxing Club. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. Marciano wasn’t the first fighter to be moved by people of influence. Nor will he be the last. It’s what happened after the first LaStarza fight that really blemished Marciano’s career by taking a major step back in competition. Rocky’s handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat. His next opponent was F-level Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was F-level Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses. Marciano was picking and choosing his fights his entire career. Marciano's 32nd fight was against F-level Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses. His 33rd fight was against F-level Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses. 34th fight was against F-level Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses. And his 35th fight was against F-level Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses. It's clear as day Frankie Carbo and Al Weill padded Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
This is the best fight of Walcott's career. It is astounding that he didn't demolish Rocky -- aside from knocking him down with a left hook that knocked out Ezzard Charles, he was lifting Marciano off the canvas in the later rounds. Incredible bout.
Archie Moore's turn finally arrived in 1952 when he was a veteran of, at a conservative estimate, 170 contests. He had enlisted the help of leading writers to campaign on his behalf. The world light heavyweight champion, Joey Maxim, was an Italian-American whose real name was Giuseppe Antonio Berardinelli. Maxim's manager, Jack "Doc" Kearns, who had managed the great 1920s heavyweight Jack Dempsey, insisted on Maxim being paid $100,000 in return for allowing the fight to go ahead in St Louis. Moore took what was left, which turned out to be $800. By the time he had paid off his sparring partners and other pre-fight expenses, there was nothing left. Nevertheless, he won the world light heavyweight title at the age of 39. After the decision, he walked over to Maxim, but was brushed aside by Kearns. "Never mind the condolences, kid," said the old man. "We've got all the money." More than that, Kearns had threatened to pull Maxim out of the fight unless Moore cut him in as his co-manager. Moore had signed - and then discovered Kearns had also negotiated a rematch clause. As a result, Moore had to beat Maxim twice more. Kearns earned a fortune. *This is another perfect example of how the underworld monopolized every single facet of boxing during that era. The International Boxing Club Mafioso President Norris and his Boss Carbo owned Marciano's manager Al Weill. Including ticket sales they took 60% of everything Marciano earned. They had theiy collar-n-leash around Marciano and made Millions!!!
@@andrewmartin538 it sure does.. Also when Moore knocked Rocky down they gave him a 20+ count to get up They insured he wasn't gonna lose Moore was aged very aged and still smh
@@WARS187 no ! They did not give him a 20 count ! Were did you get this stuff ! He got up emediatly! You have no facts and bpno credibility. You are a racist.
Man gets knocked down for the first time in his career...he's gets cut...blinded for 3 or 4 rounds...JJW is pounding the shit out of him...he's behind on all scorecards...and then in the 13th round..."POW"...he throws the best right hand ever...KO's Joe Walcott...and wins the title!!! The man was a FIGHTER...he wasn't there to do anything else!
Jim Cushman Why would I be impressed with a man who is more than 12 years younger than his Old Opponent winning a fight in which he was LOSING, GOT CUT, HURT AND KNOCKED DOWN???????
You mean when Ali beat Liston...who was 10 years older than Ali.... ...Brian London...who was 8 years older than Ali....George Chuvalo...was was 5 years older than Ali...Floyd Patterson...who was 7 years older than Ali...Cleveland Williaams...who was 9 years older than Ali.....you mean Zora Folley...who was 11 years older than Ali. You mean Henry Cooper...who was 8 years older than Ali?These are the ages of Ali's opponents when he was in his prime from 1963 to 1967. You wanna talk ages?
Ali wasn't knocked down, cut, beat up and behind in those fights. THAT'S THE POINT! He handled those fighters the way he was SUPPOSED TO. So did Tyson when HE was younger. THAT'S THE POINT! NOT THE AGE.
Incredible fight. Everyone remembers the KO at the ending, but I (having to seen it in a few years) forgot what an incredible brawl it was before the 13th. New respect for both men. Two of my favorite heavys. Anyway I scored it 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, and 12 for Walcott Marciano won 3, 5, 9, and 10. He definitely needed that KO to win.
Well there were 3 more rds to go so who knows what the cards would said aside what a fight guts and glory...and to think the gloves were a hellva thinner than today's gloves. Rocky took a beating but gave as good as he got
@@robertwilkinson5971 As I understand it, gloves are to protect hands, not heads. Maybe in totality more padding allows more hard punches to be thrown? And it looks like Rocky gave slightly better than he got...
Thundering fists, bloodied gloves, sweltering heat and a chant that would build and erupt: rocky, Rocky, ROCKY! He earned his 49-0 with raw intensity, rainmaker hooks and spring-loaded uppercuts. Marciano was relentless and tougher than a coffin nail.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was almost as popular as the President and so many sports writers across America was printing information about him during his championship years. Some of that material is rare and great sources of authentic information. Rocky Marciano: The 13th Candle Rocky Marciano: Training And Meal Of Great Champion The Rocky Marciano Story - 1954 Rocky Marciano's Book of Boxing and Bodybuilding Rocky Marciano: The Winner ! This Guy Marciano Rocky Marciano: A Life Story Rocky Marciano: Undefeated Heavyweight Champion Of The World Rocky: The Story Of A Champion Undefeated: Rocky Marciano The Fighter Who Refused To Lose Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster Rocky Marciano: The Immortal Champion Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times Rocky Marciano: Biography Of A First Son Unbeaten And much more through boxing magazines, newspaper articles, 1952 LIFE magazine, 1955 Sports Illustrated, etcetera. I stand by the "5 pounds" built into his combat boots only through his early training years at the park next to his mother/father's house. When his training became more advanced he ran in Converse black-and-white version of the All Star tennis shoes.
@@joshuatree5620 ... yea I knew a man back in the early 1980's from the late 40's and 50's pro boxing scene in Oakland ca. ... he was damaged severely from the " sport " .... walked with a limp .. had a slurred speech impediment ... drooled from his mouth considerably ... he was a vibrant man despite his permanent injuries .... God bless him ....
I have a feeling that right hand that took Joe down would have killed an average man. I'm a big Marciano fan but became a bit annoyed when the announcer constantly mentioned Joe's age. They both took one hell of a beating that night!
The best ever, Rocky Marciano. 49-0 unmatched in the heavyweight division. I find myself continually defending him against comparison to modern day fighters. Modern day athletes are bigger, stronger, and enjoy better training, nutrition, health care, financial support and more. Rocky's accomplishments should always be measured against his peers during his era.
@@sergegregoire5004 Everyone wants to time travel Rocky to fight some modern fighter. He fought in the fifties against his contemporaries. The average heavyweight fighter was 198 pounds. The average NFL offensive lineman was 235 pounds in the fifties.You can't compare athletes across generations. I don't understand why people just can't appreciate the man for what he accomplished.
I did the same, I think I rewatched that knock out punch 8 or 10 times, it didn’t even look like it was much, but when you saw Joe Walcott’s head jerk back and to the right, you knew that was a super powerful right hand, so fast, and the left that followed didn’t help Joe much either, what a fight, modern day gladiators for their time, these men made boxing exciting, The Rock always was, and still is one of my all time favorites to this day.
I totally agree. I know for a fact that the hand is quicker than the eye and the camera too, but man at 56:33 I played that video over and over again and never could see Rocky's glove actually contact Walcott's head. I honestly could not swear that I actually saw that punch connect. This is not the first time I saw a quicker than the eye punch though. But most of the time I can stop the film and see the contact. This time I could not.
What a classic, appreciate the upload. Interesting that both had a sort of broken rhythm that made them hard to hit cleanly, even without much footwork compared to some others, but both were also powerful and accurate punchers, so they connected heavy and often. Marciano's defense was very underrated, with lots of erratic head movement. And if one went for his body, he'd catch them with his own sledgehammer blows. Jersey Joe was in great shape, too, certainly not looking "over the hill". Exceptional boxing skills on display, but Rocky managed to get that sledgehammer to connect cleanly and that's all she wrote. Two of the greatest ever to enter the ring.
Not over the hill, but likely didn’t have the cardio or chin a man with less mileage would have had. I wonder how this fight would have gone ten years earlier when Walcott had more of his body to sacrifice.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
@@Sara_Sky_Sutton Lack of glamor and timing. Props to him for having hung up the gloves before the sport and training took too great a toll, so unfortunate to be taken by a freak accident.
40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level) Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level) Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level) Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level) Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level) Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level) Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level) Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level) Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level) Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level) Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level) Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level) Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level) Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level) Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less. Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less. Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less. Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less. Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck. Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano? IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
Archie Moore was 39, and on a 21 fight win streak, the longest of his career, all against younger opposition. He was prime. Joe Walcott was 38 and the Heavyweight Champion. He was also prime. Charles was 33, a year and a half older, and prime. Louis was 37, but had just won 8 straight. Rocky only had four years under his belt when he faced Joe Louis. Rocky had great wins over great fighters and champions.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
The son of an Italian immigrant Rocco Francis Marchegiano a.k.a. Rocky Marciano was a protected fighter. The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's mafioso manager and matchmaker at the Garden took 50% and all ticket sales which pushed it closer to 60%. Marciano had no choice but to comply or no contract. Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, they needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia. The mob controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control. Every day the evidence stacked up against mafioso bosses Palermo and Carbo particularly, with a list of their associates touching almost every major player in 1950’s boxing. Eventually the verdict was damning; 25 years in Alcatraz for Carbo, 15 years in prison for Palermo. Rocky Marciano visited both inside their prison cells numerous times. James D. Norris was president of the International Boxing Club of New York from 1949 to 1958. Norris was responsible for fixing numerous bouts. Besides match fixing, he was also managing many boxers against their will. The IBC dominated boxing in the U.S. in the 1950s, but was dissolved by the courts, which ruled it to be a monopoly.
40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level) Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level) Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level) Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level) Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level) Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level) Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level) Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level) Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level) Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level) Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level) Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level) Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level) Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level) Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less. Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less. Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less. Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less. Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck. Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano? IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
Marciano fanboys describe him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these Rocky vids so saturated with so much exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense that it's laughable. "Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook." Don't be so gullible, Marciano only fed on middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. If Marciano was so Powerful why didn't he ever break any bones? He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina. Exactly who's bones did he break? WAITING---TIC--TOC--TIC--TOC ..... ""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!! Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had minor surgery, what's the big deal? Y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. LaStarza simply had tiny miniscule bone-chips removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. It's a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows. When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career. *(Besides LaStarza said, "I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano." I have the article). Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: "Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield." Rex only sustained "ONE" broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later, so what's the big deal? Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice. "He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference" --written by Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.. (exaggerated misinformation at it's finest).
Rocky's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 13 opponents (not in order) that he supposedly "Forced-into-Retirement" instantaneously: #1) Amateur Lee Epperson - 0 wins 0 losses. Shameful to even count this as a "Forced-Retirement." Retired from what? He never even had a career. Epperson was probably 15 years old like Walcott & Moore were when they first started. #2) Amateur Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 0 losses. Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." Probably another 15 year old. #3) Amateur John Edwards - 1 win 1 loss. Y'all gonna count this as a "Forced Retirement" also? #4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the IRS-FORCED him to. As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was finally outta there for good!!! #5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another easy $250K. Walcott received the lions share both fights. Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a fraction of that. $250K back then is $2.6 million today. Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he "QUIT"!!! #6) Lee Savold age was 36 with 153 bouts. His manager, Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow." Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. Completely washed Savold was only there for his last Big-Paycheck!!! #7) Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KO's (D to F-level). Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took 0:34 seconds for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and 1:28 in his last fight. The less said about "The-Bum" the better. #8) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KO's looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Evans weighed 178 lbs. Too many light heavyweights. #9) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KO's (D-level). Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? #10) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KO's (D-level). Marciano fights Buonvino "TWICE", why? #11) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KO's (F-level). Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. ("Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano", according to the Providence Journal, "Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round, and Eatman went down though it didn't appear he was hit"--written by BoxRec.)--Eatman obviously took-a-dive. #12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's (F-level). Pete fought amateur Willie James with a 0-0-0 debut record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought 10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records. For Pete's sake he also fought another 20 opponents that had 10 or less fights. Pete's profession was padding records. #13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring." So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It appears little Rocky didn't "Force-Retire" any of these boxers. Overwhelming majority of his supposed 43 KO's were referees stopping his fights prematurely and homeless walk-ins takin dives and paddin records.
@@Bobby.D.1776 Yeah but i'll bet you're an African American right? Yall are bitterly envious and hatefilled toward Whitey who's given you EVERYTHING you have, including boxrec, TH-cam, the English language, and on average 22% of your genetics to drag you up to an 80 IQ, running hot n cold water on demand, hot nutritious food on demand, the conditions to box in safety, the supplemnts, the super smart chemists who make the PEDs that all your athletes use to help promote the anti-Wh te J-ish agenda that you can hang with us, the cars you drive, the planes and ships your boxers OPPONENTS travel on, top notch boxing kit, including the clothes and boots, the heavy bags, speed bags, the multi storey building it's housed in, something EVEN TODAY Africans need Wh te folks to oversee, the TV and satellite that make it possible to watch boxing, the boxing coaching from which the sport emerged b/c we invented it, we codified the rules for boxing and every other sport - we are only a tiny minority in the world we still dominate most sports, everything that makes life tolerable is thanks to us
Rocky's numbers may not lie, *but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion.* So let's examine those 13 opponents *(not in order)* that he supposedly *FORCED INTO RETIREMENT* instantaneously. #1) *Amateur* Lee Epperson - *0 wins 0 losses.* Shameful to even count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Retired from what??* He never even had a career. Epperson was probably *15 years old like Walcott and Moore were* when they first started. #2) *Amateur* Jimmy Weeks - *0 wins 0 losses.* Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Probably another 15 year old.* #3) *Amateur* John Edwards - *1 win 1 loss.* Y'all gonna count this as *"Forced Retirement"* also??? #4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the *IRS-FORCED him to.* As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was *finally outta there for good!!!!* #5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another *easy $250K.* Walcott received the *lions share both fights.* Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a *fraction* of that. *$250K back then is $2.6 million today.* Little Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he *"QUIT"!!!!* #6) Lee Savold age was 36 with *153 bouts.* His manager, *Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow."* Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. *Completely washed* Savold was only there for his last *Big-Paycheck!!!!* #7) 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson - *4 wins 2 losses* with 28% KO's *F-LEVEL* Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better. #8) Jimmy Evans - *18 wins 8 losses* with 50% KO's *F-LEVEL* Evans fought *10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Evans weighed 178 lbs. *Too many light heavyweights.* #9) Harry Haft - *12 wins 8 losses* with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. *Isn't this supposed to be the Heavyweight division???* #10) Gino Buonvino - *24 wins 15 losses* with *10%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fights Buonvino *"TWICE"* ..why??? #11) Eldridge Eatman - *22 wins 21 losses* with 22% KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost *8 of his last 9 fights* Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. *"'Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano,'" according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, "'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT'"* ..Eatman's profession was *paddin records.* #12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Pete fought *amateur* Willie James with a *0-0-0 debut* record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought *10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut* records. For Pete's sake he also fought another *20 opponents that had 10 or less fights.* #13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks okay until you see *ALL 16* wins came against *F-LEVEL* opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."* So it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin* After all this time i was *mislead* into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD --Carmine Vingo* *IT APPEARS LITTLE ROCKY DID NOT FORCE-RETIRE ""ANY"" OF THESE BOXERS*
@@jfweimar Shall we start with Big George winning the Gold medal in 68 or-is slugfest with Ron Lyle??? How bout when he bounced Frazier up and down lik' a Basket🏀ball??? .....Little 184-lb cruiserweight dwarfism-arms LMFAO 😂
@@Stout_Krout The Foreman / Lyle fight is my favorite & probably the all time greatest fight. My comparison with 'older' Foreman and Marciano was to suggest a desired outcome.
Yeah, kept coming for 15 rounds. Frazier in the first Ali fight was the only other heavyweight that comes to mind who was able to sustain such intensity like that.
Shall we start with his 15 opponents that had losing records or all his opponents that had 20 30 40 50+ losses and were KO'd too many times to count??? Walcott Charles Moore Savold lost (113) times and were KO'd (32) times. Ted Lowry was another middleweight turned light heavyweight who had (57) losses. Lowry took Marciano the distance twice and everyone that witnessed their first fight convincingly said Lowry won. Marciano even admitted he was "lucky to have won." There's a pic of Ezzard Charles standing next to middleweight Sugar Ray Robinson and Ray looked bigger! Charles was another middleweight turned light heavyweight with a very slender build and the lowest ever 42% KOs. Both Ezzard and his family said he was showing signs of ALS in 1951. Don't get me wrong, there were some very good light heavyweights during this time, but the 200+lbs Heavyweight division was a complete and utter embarrassment. Rocky fans always say his opponents were Bigger than he was. Then name all these 200+lbs Bigger opponents and let's go over their career records and KO percentages one at a time.. For example little Rocky's heaviest opponent was *F-LEVEL* 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson who had a career *4 wins 2 losses* with a measly 28% KO's. Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better.
If you build it, they will come! You didn't build anything, though you sure threw a load! After 2 months, we find out, luckily, that there are only 13 of your ilk, in 2500. That the odds of missing one like you, much better. Hopefully, for their sakes, you didn't reproduce.
Why all these put downs of Jersey Joe? He might have been 38, but he was the heavyweight champion. How bad could he have been? Charles was the champion immediately before Joe, and Archie Moore was the light heavy champion. All the great champions fought their share of pasties, but they also fought the best in their weight class, and Rocky was no exception.
thomas buchanan I think jersey joe was a great boxer he should of beat rocky but rocky was tuff kepted coming it just takes that one perfect punch and rocky deliverd it that's boxing rocky became champ that night jersey joe was a tuff sob great boxer
I agree, thats how boxing is the legends get old and new champions arise and make their name beating them. Then they become old legends and the cycle continues.
Truth, Jersey Joe knocked him down in round one and bloodied his head up. Can't exactly say he was an unworthy opponent if he put up that kind of a fight.
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired. EXPLAIN HOW LITTLE 185 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 5 HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023? Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,, imagine that? "AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Algorithms don't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0.. That's why all Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
Just like you speculateers would bet on the 130# Wolf over 50# Wolverine....and you'd lose watching the wolf become Wolverine scat...OR... bet on the bigger Jackal over a Honeybadger and be wrong again...lol Rocky was like them and trained to be that tuff...! It only takes one good hit and if you watch Rocky carefully he patiently waits for that split second opening to appear while he nonstop pummels away...! One can notice Tyson once rocked good gets scared which is why he goes in with both guns blazing unless someone clocks him enuff his reaction and fearfulness is apparent where Rocky just keeps coming and fights close on the inside where the bigger longer reached fighters are useless and kept off guard and he never lets up- Esp never ending liver & rib shots you can hear and sêê the reverb effects...! So - to each his own opinion...!
It's not the ranking system's fault that you are stupid. Boxers are ranked compared to their competition of the time. 70 years ago boxers didn't have human growth hormone, steroids and other drugs that improve performance. The very same Rocky born today (or any fighter of his era) would have been taller and stronger, if only from better nutrition of the modern age. Now go back to your mom's basement and play your video games.
THE 3 BIGGER OPPONENTS little MARCIANO FOUGHT: 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had 4 wins 3 losses, all against smaller opponents. 229 lb Bill "Soccer-ball" Wilson lost (27) times, all against smaller opponents. 220 lb Johnny "Tooth-pick" Shkor lost (19) times, all against smaller opponents. And this is why we 'NEVER' hear about any of Marciano's 'bigger' opponents as they were D and F-level undercard boxers being paid with room-n-board to pad records.
Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, *"Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son."* -- which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ??? *"After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police."* --Wiki *"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --International Boxing Hall Of Fame *And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.*
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
90% of little white opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan "One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston "Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis "The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali "My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield "Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier "Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles "Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott "Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore "Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer "Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali "Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza "One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman If that is not respect, I don't know what is
"Rocky would often take a nap in the dressing room before a big fight. The kid had ice water in his veins." -- Rocky's manager Charlie Goldman "I have always adhered to two principles. The first one is to train hard and get in the best possible physical condition. The second is to forget all about the other fellow until you face him in the ring and the bell sounds for the fight." -- Rocky Marciano
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Liston expert, Paul Gallender, has solved the five major mysteries surrounding The Bear in his 2012 biography, 'Sonny Liston - The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights'. The author's 40+ years of research provide boxing fans with definitive answers to the five most asked questions about The Bear’s life and career: 1) When was Sonny born? 2) Was he murdered? If so, who did it, how, and why? 3) Was the Liston/Clay fight on the level? 4) Why did Sonny throw the Ali fight? 5) Was Sonny Liston as bad a person as the media said he was? The short answers are: 1) 1919 or earlier. 2) Yes, by mobsters, with a heroin overdose, because he didn’t throw the Wepner fight. 3) Yes. Footage from the event shows Ali in the ring asking his entourage, 'Did I hit him?' . Ali also told Nation of Islam minister Abdul Rahman that Liston 'laid down'. 4) So his wife and son wouldn’t be killed. 5) No. Sonny was a good man. Liston, the son of a tenant farmer, served two long terms in prison, where he is said to have learned to box. Although he gave his birth year as 1932, there is evidence that he might have begun his ring career as early as 1934, at the age of 17, under the name of Charles (“Sailor”) Liston. If that is true, he was 45 years old when he won the championship. -- Encyclopedia Britannica "That he fought in 1934 is no secret - even the Encyclopedia Britannica acknowledges it." -- Paul Gallender His sister, who he was extremely close to, and who remembered his birth - he was much younger than she was - said he was born the year after the Great War (WW1). Which would have made him 44 when he fought Ali the first time. watch this vid/documentary --(According To Gallender Sonny Liston Was 44 Yrs Old When He Fought Ali) --from Retro Boxing & Documentaries
44 Marciano opponents: We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good *B-LEVEL* resume. Problem is *he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?* Even Marciano's *best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times.* Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. *Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat?* Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. *Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?* *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$ OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM* *THEY DIDN'T LITERALLY CONTROL HIM BUT THEY DID TAKE 60% OF ALL HIS EARNINGS AND VERY CAREFULLY PADDED HIS RECORD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE* The *entire* eastern seaboard was *Italian,* it was *all Italian.* Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's *mafioso manager* and *matchmaker* at the Garden *took* 50% and *all ticket sales* which pushed it closer to *60%.* Marciano had *no choice* but to *comply* or *no contract.* Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. *Italian* Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, *they needed* something *new.* Access to the machinery of *boxing,* a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. *Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.* *They controlled it all,* from the *trainers* and *managers* to the reporting *journalists,* with a combination of *intimidation* and financial backing ensuring *everybody* the mob *wanted* was under *their control.* *THE DAY AFTER RETIREMENT HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS*
Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach.
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS
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Combined, Walcott Charles Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Had little Rocky never existed nobody would even be talkin bout Walcott Charles Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott Charles Moore otherwise they would never denigrate and belittle other black fighters such as Ali Liston Holmes Tyson Wilder. I've studied Marciano extensively for one year and it just dawned on me that is exactly what's happening. Rocky fans always besmirch black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott Charles Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston Holmes Tyson, yet pure Love for Walcott Charles Moore.
Sounds like somebody got a some hate going on for "LITTLE" Rocky.. the Rock did exist, 40 times undefeated and had to retire cause nobody NOBODY on the up and coming would fight him. Little Rocky hurt fighters when it got down to blood and grid he came alive. Nobody wanted a lose, nobody wanted thier fighter hurt. That's a fact.
Not totally true. I am an ITALIAN AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVED MARCIANO, I LOVED TYSON IN HIS PRIME, HOLYFIELD, WALCOTT AND LISTON AND LOUIS. BUT I COULDNT STAND CASIOUS CLAY AND HOMES BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK..
@@aldonelson5757 Yes. Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore. Two were light heavyweights masquerading and moonlighting as Heavyweights. And Jersey Joe was Cruiserweight. Compared to today's Super Heavyweights they're tiny.
@@snickersberet4792 Incorrect. You don't know what your talking about. Little Rocky ducked many fighters and Quit bcz he was "embarrassed of losing." That's what his younger brother Peter said. Truth hurts. That's a fact!
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles only weighed 181 pounds when he won his 'vacant' Super Heavyweight title against cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott in 1949. Exactly two years later Charles weighed a massive 182 pounds when he lost his Super Heavyweight title to you guessed it, 194 pound Journeyman Joe again. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott Loss!!! So how the heck did Walcott get 6 attempts at the Heavyweight Championship? Because the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was nonexistent and he was the closest to being a genuine Heavyweight. The 200+lb Heavyweights that did exist (Jackson, Wilson, Shkor) were D and F-level boxers. 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had a career 4 wins 3 losses (F-level). 230 lb Bill Wilson had a career 40 wins 20 losses (F-level) and an abysmal 30% KOs. 220 lb Johnny Shkor had a career 50 wins 20 losses and an abysmal 40% KOs. Journeyman Joe was C-level at best. Overall he Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times. Walcott's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles, Light heavyweight Joey Maxim and Light heavyweight Harold Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Maxim Lost (29) times. Light heavyweight Johnson Lost (11) times and was KO'd (5) times. Light heavyweight Archie Moore Lost (23) times was and KOd (7) times. Would it have been ok if Marciano Lost (25) times and was KTFO (7) times? Of course not. If little Marciano had so much as a 'Draw', he wouldn't even be ranked top 20. Lennox constantly catches heck for being KO'd twice. Liston constantly catches heck for losing to Light heavyweight Marty Marshall early in his career. Yet it's perfectly fine for Charles, Walcott and Moore to be KOd 20 times combined and lose 68 times.
Best conditioned fighter who ever lived...great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...put The Rock in with anyone!
Zhang weighs - 285 Bakole - 285 Joyce - 280 Briggs - 265 Ruiz - 265 Grant - 265 Fury - 262 Parker - 250 Foreman - 250 Vitali - 250 Peter - 250 Joshua - 250 Whyte - 250 Ibeabuchi - 245 Lennox - 245 Kabayel - 245 Wladimir - 245 Dubois - 245 Anderson - 245 Sanchez - 245 Ruddock - 245 Hrgovic - 245 Wardley - 240 Bowe - 240 Ortiz - 240 Witherspoon - 235 Tua - 235 Dokes - 235 Bruno - 230 Morrison - 230 Cooney - 230 Thomas - 225 Usyk - 223 Lyle - 220 Tyson - 218 Holmes - 218 Wilder - 218 Ali - 218 Liston - 218 *Moore - 175 lb LH champion from 1952 to 1962.* *Charles - 181 lb HW champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.* *Marciano - 184 lb HW champion with 67" flyweight reach.* Heavyweight was only 175 lbs back then. Moore & Charles best years were at MW (147 to 160) and LH (160 to 175). Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. He never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at MW. Marciano fought between 178 and 188 over 40 times and was 'Never' weight drained!! *If size don't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since little Rocky's little era 4 generations ago?*
A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early 30s that still had his reflexes fully intact. The decathlon is the ultimate and/or best test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World Champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were undoubtedly past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason. Those 4 Hall of Famers Marciano faced were not prime when they fought him, it's scientifically and mathematically impossible when evaluating their careers. They already had 409 (68 68 95 178) pro fights and that doesn't include Louis' 96 fights he had before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service. Had Charles Moore Walcott Louis never fought little Rocky they'd still be entered into the Hall of Fame for what they accomplished *BEFORE* they fought him. Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought him?
Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. EXPLAIN HOW 184 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 7TH PLACE DURING THE 60s AND 70s TO TOP 4 SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024? Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES,, imagine that? 'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles/Moore were light heavyweights and Joe Louis's reflexes were completely shot. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 washed Hall of Famers and went 49-0. And that's exactly why the little 184 lb cruiser is ranked ahead of dozens of topnotch genuine Super Heavyweights!
In 1962 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s. Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.* Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future. In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing. Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate. Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.” In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.” Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.
Whewwwwww! That's a lot of talk , however no matter who Rocky could beat or could have beat . The fact remains he was NEVER beaten. Joe Walcott was great fighter ,but just couldn't stand the pressure of the smaller man !
Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 21 opponents (not in order). Bobo Olson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Clinton Bacon 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Harold Johnson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Harold Johnson (twice) 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Joey Maxim 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Joey Maxim (twice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Joey Maxim (thrice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Sonny Andrews 177 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Jimmy Slade 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Bob Dunlap 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Clarence Henry 184 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Toxie Hall 188 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career record 22 wins 32 losses (F-level) with (two) 2% KOs Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses (F-level) with an abysmal 24% KOs Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 25% KOs Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 29% KOs Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses (D-level) with a low-power 51% KOs Nino Valdes 209 lbs (twice)
Two hundred seventy seven pounds of undefeated destruction. Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and flummox him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. Rocky ain't gettin the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins! Anyway he chooses! Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm just so grateful i get to see it in my lifetime. Transport Fury back to that little 1950s cruiserweight era and 'The King' woulda went 149-0 with 100% KO's! [[[[[ 🏋️""SIZE-MATTERS""🏋️ ]]]]] NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION🥊
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again
BoxRec has officially listed these Rocky Marciano opponents as middleweights and light heavyweights: Eddie Ross - division "Middleweight" Harry Bilazarian - division "Middleweight" Ezzard Charles - division "Light heavy" Archie Moore - division "Light heavy" Harry Matthews - division "Light heavy" Harry Haft - division "Light heavy" Ted Lowry - division "Light heavy" Willis Applegate - division "Light heavy" Bob Jefferson - division "Light heavy" Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? Did the Klitschko brothers have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Does King Fury have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Marciano's extra-small era was a huge contributing factor towards the "cruiserweight" division being created. There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers. Little Rocky was only 31 when he up-n "QUIT" during his prime. He only fought a measly 7 years while everyone else was fightin 20 years!!! Many heavyweights coulda retired undefeated if they'd-a "QUIT" after only 7 years!!! Had he kept fightin he woulda faced the likes of Patterson, Machen, Johansson, Folley, Liston, Jones, Clay, Terrell, Cleveland and Chuvalo just to name a few. What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech and his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." That's not True. It was all a lie. He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless--@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Sonny had an-albatross 84 inch reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67 inch reach. A 17 inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano. Foreman probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back up and revert to boxing. Watch the footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to little Marciano.
*Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion. The caliber of opponents is most important in evaluating greatness. Tommy Morrison and Roy Jones, for example, looked great against lesser opponents but pitted against the top men of their class, their shortcomings in other assets were exposed and their ability was offset by other attributes that better opponents of theirs possessed. Marciano was never so tested because his level of competition was so weak.
You only say that because Rocky was white. Just go ahead and admit it. He NEVER lost a fight, unlike that loud mouth, draft dodging, Muslim, who lost 5 times, and ABSOLUTELY should have 10-11 losses on his record if not for massive Mafia corruption. No, I don't think Marciano would've beat Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis, Wladimir, or Tyson Fury. But I absolutely believe, with every fiber in my body, Marciano would've beat Ali, the most overrated athlete, along with Derek Jeter, (and I am a diehard Yankees fan), rather easily. People who parrot Ali's big, obnoxious, loud mouth, that claims he was "The Greatest", are truly stupid, and gullible, human beings. All of those idiots, probably think that In-N-Out Barf Burgers are the "greatest" hamburgers of all time, which is even more insulting than hearing how great the Draft Dodger was. 🤢🤮🤢🤮
If you had watched this fight closely you'd have seen what a tremendous fighter Walcot was. He proved that Marciano had to be a great fighter because it took a great fighter to beat Walcot.
@@freddyfurrah3789 What a boxer was ranked is no study. It's facts. How did he go from being ranked 10th throughout the 1960s and 1970s to 4th Greatest Heavyweight in 2024. $$$$, that's how!
The International Boxing Club Of New York was the dominant promotional power in boxing. It controlled the sport at Madison Square Garden and other major arenas. It had contracts for regularly-scheduled fights on the emerging medium of television. And it had links to organized crime; most notably through Frankie Carbo. “Carbo,” Russell Sullivan explains, “established a well-organized centralized system of control over boxing. The system featured scores of managers who operated as front men for Carbo. Once a promising fighter arrived on the scene, one of Carbo’s managers would muscle in on his ownership. Fear and violence were the linchpins of Carbo’s system and the bedrock of his power. Directly or indirectly, he controlled scores of judges, officials, managers, promoters, and fighters. His power became such that no big match was made or title awarded without his acquiescence.”
It's interesting how people who experienced watching Marciano in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record. But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc. It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of all-time since he's 50-0,, right?
What do you mean he was managed to preserve his record? This man didn't cherry pick his fights like Mayweather, force favorable catch weights, sign to fight somebody then chicken out like Floyd did with Winky Wright. He fought the best fighters available: Of his six title defenses, 5 of them were against the #1, or top available contender, and the sixth was against the #2 contender who had just beaten the #1 contender in a title elimination bout. I've read a lot of boxing history and the statements you're making aren't agreed with by guys like Emanuel Steward, Red Smith, Don Turner and I could go on. I'm going to venture a guess they know a hell of a lot more about boxing than you. Personally I consider GOAT arguments silly and I certainly wouldn't say Marciano is the greatest heavyweight ever, though he deserves to be in the conversation. But you're denigrating a guy that lived and trained like a warrior monk the entire time he was in the fight game and that's just wrong. Let me correct that: Ignorant and wrong.
@@baronvonraschke77 Mayweather was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2010s by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA), a two-time winner of The Ring magazine's Fighter of the Year award (1998 and 2007), a three-time winner of the BWAA Fighter of the Year award (2007, 2013, and 2015), and a six-time winner of the Best Fighter ESPY Award (2007-2010, 2012-2014). In 2016, ESPN ranked him the greatest boxer, pound for pound, of the last 25 years. As of May 2021, BoxRec ranks him the greatest boxer of all time, pound for pound. Many sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BoxRec, Fox Sports, and Yahoo! Sports, ranked Mayweather as the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world twice in a span of ten years. Since the existence of CompuBox, Mayweather is the most accurate puncher among professional boxers, having the highest plus-minus ratio in recorded boxing history. He has a record of 26 consecutive wins in world title fights (10 by KO), 23 wins (9 KOs) in lineal title fights, 24 wins (7 KOs) against former or current world titlists, 12 wins (3 KOs) against former or current lineal champions, and 5 wins (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the class of 2021. Mayweather topped the Forbes and Sports Illustrated lists of the 50 highest-paid athletes of 2012 and 2013, and the Forbes list again in both 2014 and 2015, as the highest-paid athlete in the world. In 2006, he founded his own boxing promotional firm, Mayweather Promotions, after leaving Bob Arum's Top Rank. He has generated approximately 24 million PPV buys and $1.67 billion in revenue throughout his career, surpassing the likes of former top PPV attractions including Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Oscar De La Hoya. In 2018, he was the highest-paid athlete in the world, with total earnings, including endorsements, of $285 million, according to Forbes. In November, 2021, Sportico released an all-time athlete earnings list, in which Mayweather ranked no. 6 of all time, totaling an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion in his career.
@@baronvonraschke77 Out of all the boxers in history *why* is little Marciano the *only-one* that must be defended through *QUOTES???* Quote after quote after endless quotes. Cuz y'all can't defend him with-is *resume alone!!!* *Quotes are spec·u·la·tion /ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun, and speculation is the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.. Similar: opinion, hypothesize, guess, surmise, notion, prediction, forecast, gamble, venture, risk.* Just cuz Muhammad Ali said, "Marciano *"Might"* have beaten me," does that make it true?? "Might" does not mean would have. It means maybe or possibly. *Ali was showing respect...Or like how you would say about a kids punch...Whew that little boy can knock me out...ooo he hits hard* Holmes said, *"Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap,"* does that make it true?? Funniest Quote is Don Turner saying, *"Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time."* Who actually believes that?? Think, people. Think. He also said, *"Marciano would KO Wladimir with the first punch he landed,"* and *"The Klitschko's couldn't punch down."* Don's opinions change like the wind. Foreman recently listed his own top-10 greatest Heavyweights of all time yet he didn't even include himself. Why?? Bcz it's called being humble, showing ones respects, or creating an image. Ali's famous speech directly after he KO'd Foreman: *"EVERYBODY STOP TALKING NOW"* *"I TOLD Y'ALL I WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"* *"I TOLD Y'ALL I'M STILL THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"* [ Does that sound lik' Ali is conceding to little dwarfism-arms? ] Find *"ONE"* professional boxer, manager, boxing historian or trainer that has little Rocky ranked higher than the cultural phenomenon Muhammad Ali. No need for speculative Quotes to protect Muhammad Ali bcz his *resume speaks for itself.* No need for speculative Quotes to protect Lennox Lewis bcz his *resume speaks for itself.* No need for speculative Quotes to protect Larry Holmes bcz his *resume speaks for itself.* No need for speculative Quotes to protect Wladimir Klitschko bcz his *resume speaks for itself.* On the other hand little Rocky's resume needs *serious help* bcz it's horrendous,, *hence all the futile Quotes to protect him!*
@@baronvonraschke77 Don Turner said, *"Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Marciano??? Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Lewis and Wladimir as the hardest punchers. 84yr old Don Turner is entitled to his opinion just as George Foreman has his opinion. Earnie Shavers also has an opinion just as Ron Lyle and Riddick Bowe have theirs. *Why wasn't trainer Don Turner out there looking for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies??? Instead he chose 6' 7" 250-lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!!! Think, people. Think.* Marciano had his last fight in New York 1955. Turner was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!!!* Turner said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." Turner explains how Charles and Marciano were always his favorites @ A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74. Here's some of the top rated trainers of all time; Cus D' Amato Eddie Futch Freddie Roach Ignacio "Nacho" Beristain Lou Duva Emanuel Steward Angelo Dundee Jack Blackburn Teddy Atlas Roger Mayweather Gil Clancy Ray Arcel BUT NO DON.. WON'T SEE DON TURNER ANYWHERE!!!! Vitali fans, Wladimir fans, Fury fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans, Frazier fans, Lewis fans, Holmes fans, Tyson fans, Bowe fans, Ibeabuchi fans *NEVER* discuss Don Turner,, only Rocky fanboys ever discuss Turner's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Don lost all credibility when he convinced Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing." Needless to say the lack of a cutman was the determining factor that cost Holyfield the Heavyweight championship against Michael Moorer. Evander Holyfield fired him. Michael Grant fired him. Everyone gave Don the-boot. Fighters only worked with him as a last resort. Emanuel Steward and other trainers despised him. Turner also said, "Charles was never the same after his first fight with Marciano." *That is 100% False!!!* He was never the same after all his wars with Walcott, Moore, Maxim, Valdez, Johnson, Bivins, etcetera. Ezzard Charles was already showing symptoms of ALS before he ever faced Marciano -@- William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life
@@Stout_Krout You seem obsessed to denigrate Marciano for no clear reason and want to drag Mayweather into the conversation. The two are unrelated. I never said Mayweather wasn't a great fighter btw. At any rate, most top 10 heavyweight champion lists I've seen have Marciano on them, deservedly so in my opinion. The man was an over achiever and his career should be respected, not run down by the likes of you, a keyboard warrior. It's as simple as that.
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
He was barely 6 1. Sonny sure had a long career. First fight was in 1953 when Marciano was champ. People think liston disappeared after the Ali loss. But he won nine fights in a row afterwards before his shocking loss to leotis Martin
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. He wasn't even close to being elite. Jess was clumsy and terrible boxer.
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion. Joe Louis defeated Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer who were large heavyweight boxers. The sport is boxing not weight lifting or USA football.
We just watched two of the best fighters in the world! And one Rocky Marciano the number one pound for pound undisputed undefeated champion of the world! Undefeated till this day undefeated forever. No question or arguing Rocky Marciano goes down as the best to ever lace up the gloves. 👑 🥊🥊
Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?
I am glad things like this will be archived hopefully someday. Along with the fight you get to see a young George Benton and not so young ,but not old Jimmy Bivins, Sugar Ray Robinson with the other fighters, good stuff. Thank You.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
Many believe that Marciano actually did lose to LaStarza in their first fight but got a gift decision. Those who watched at the time like Jesse Abramson, boxing writer for the New York Daily Herald called it a “paper thin and exceedingly odd decision.” And it was “universally condemned around ringside as a miscarriage of justice”, according to many other newspaper reports. Even 50 years later LaStarza was quoted maintaining that he “won that fight,” In the New York Herald Tribune, LaStarza said, “The fact is his manager Al Weill was matchmaker for the Garden. I would say that had a lot to do with the decision.” The scoring for the bout was 5-4, 4-5, and 5-5, but LaStarza lost on a rigged supplemental point system used by New York and Massachusetts at that time. It’s what happened after the first LaStarza fight that really blemished Marciano’s career by taking a major step back in competition. Rocky’s handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat. His next opponent was Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Many viewed it at the time as essentially a bounceback or a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was Tiger Ted Lowry who had a career record of 60-54-9, who was one of few who went the distance with Marciano. Arguably, Marciano was picking and choosing his fights his entire career. -- by Betting Bruiser | mmaoddsbreaker
Marciano was on a “no-lose” mission to achieving greatness and he did so by simply out-working and out-conditioning all fighting foes. His work ethic was nothing short of remarkably consistent and disciplined: hours of running, gym work, sparring, push-ups and sit-ups, countless medicine-ball thumps to the gut. Marciano was committed to his training regimen. Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think, Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
It's been 70 years and Marciano's 49-0 with 43 knockouts is chiseled into 'Granite' for eternity regardless what folks write, say or think.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night.
He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted.
He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy.
He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag.
He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds).
He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer
He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else.
Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour.
And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar.
Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds.
No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion.
There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp.
Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.”
And he wasn’t.
Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply:
“Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.”
And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night.
He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted.
He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy.
He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag.
He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds).
He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer
He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else.
Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour.
And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar.
Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds.
No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion.
There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp.
Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.”
And he wasn’t.
Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply:
“Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.”
And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
Rocky was almost as popular as the President and so many sports writers across America was printing information about him during his championship years. Some of that material is rare and great sources of authentic information.
Rocky Marciano: The 13th Candle
Rocky Marciano: Training And Meal Of Great Champion
The Rocky Marciano Story - 1954
Rocky Marciano's Book of Boxing and Bodybuilding
Rocky Marciano: The Winner !
This Guy Marciano
Rocky Marciano: A Life Story
Rocky Marciano: Undefeated Heavyweight Champion Of The World
Rocky: The Story Of A Champion
Undefeated: Rocky Marciano The Fighter Who Refused To Lose
Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster
Rocky Marciano: The Immortal Champion
Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times
Rocky Marciano: Biography Of A First Son
Unbeaten
And much more through boxing magazines, newspaper articles, 1952 LIFE magazine, 1955 Sports Illustrated, etcetera.
I stand by the "5 pounds" built into his combat boots only through his early training years at the park next to his mother/father's house. When his training became more advanced he ran in Converse black-and-white version of the All Star tennis shoes.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
He was a high-school dropout who worked a series of dead-end jobs - delivering coal, laboring in factories making candy, beverages, and shoes, slinging hash in a diner, digging ditches, clearing land, and fixing sidewalks. But Marciano had two world-class skills. He could absorb a frightful beating, and he could knock men out cold. “I was a nobody,” he was fond of saying. “In the ring, I became a somebody."
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
I loved Rocky Marciano's response when someone asked him what he was thinking when Walcott knocked him down in their first fight: "Gee, this fellow hits hard. I might have to get up a couple of times before I knock him out."
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was a never ending onslaught of cardiovascular brutality. He had a chin that allowed him to exchange and let him set his feet to put guys under. He also had some of the sneakiest footwork and underrated defenses the sport has seen.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night.
He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted.
He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy.
He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag.
He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds).
He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer
He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else.
Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour.
And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar.
Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds.
No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion.
There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp.
Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.”
And he wasn’t.
Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply:
“Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.”
And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest Heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other Heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will. The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
It's been 70 years and Marciano's 49-0 with 43 knockouts is chiseled into 'Granite' for eternity regardless what folks write, say or think.
Don't let anyone tell you different, Marciano faced some very formidable hall of fame opponents. Walcott and Charles were not washed up when they fought him. They both fought the first fight brilliantly. While Rocky stopped the old mongoose it was a grueling fight. At first Moore seemed the better boxer but the Blockbuster would not be stopped. His incredible conditioning and brutal punching were all to much for Archie. Rocky defined what the heart of a champion is in this fight.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Marciano was single-mindedly determined to succeed. “I’ve been in this boxing business fifty years, and I’ve never seen anyone like you yet,” Goldman told the fighter after he became champion. “Work. Work. Work. Train. Train. Train. Sometimes I suspect you’re not even human.” Marciano’s work ethic and indomitable will to win were the key elements of his rise, along with a final ingredient, the only one supplied by nature: a right-hand punch that put even superior boxers to sleep.
There are some who never give up. There is nothing to do, they do not go down. And if they go down, they get up. You will always find them before you, maybe staggering, blood-filled, ready to step on. Sport teaches you cannot always win... They do not care, do not believe that, and always win: with a broken nose, with closed eye, a blood-red mouth. Rocky was like this. Rough, wild, fearless. His straight right punch was equivalent to a 9th grade richter. His left hook punch was an electroshock. He was not there to lose. An invincible.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said, "after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning."
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
Marciano's monastic monk like year round daily runs and 3 to 5 month preparation per fight was unprecedented. Never seeking refuge in a clinch and couldn't be hurt he broke spirits. Rocky beat them up, rearranged their bone structure and knocked them out.
Marciano was single-mindedly determined to succeed. “I’ve been in this boxing business fifty years, and I’ve never seen anyone like you yet,” Goldman told the fighter after he became champion. “Work. Work. Work. Train. Train. Train. Sometimes I suspect you’re not even human.” Marciano’s work ethic and indomitable will to win were the key elements of his rise, along with a final ingredient, the only one supplied by nature: a right-hand punch that put even superior boxers to sleep.
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Joe Walcott was a great fighter. He hit like a mule kick and could take a hard punches and combinations with barely any effect, then keep on fighting like nothing hit him at all. In boxing history, he is under rated, and if he were fighting today, would beat most, and perhaps all Heavy weight opponents. ROCKY MARCIANO, well, one of a kind. Incredible endurance, as fresh in the last round, as in the first. Exceedingly aggressive, tenacious and very strong He could take the hardest punches thrown at him and keep fighting as if he didn't get hit at all. Marciano was one of the hardest punchers in history. If we are talking pound for pound, I would say he is the hardest puncher. I'm almost certain, if fighting today, or any time in history he would beat any Heavy weight, why you may ask... Style. As George Foreman has said: "Marciano was right at your chest, the minute the bell rang." He gave fighters with longer arms no room to box and set him up. In the words of Muhammad Ali: “Marciano hit harder than Joe Frazer." and continued by saying: " No other fighter in history could take a beating like Marciano,' with his nose split in two and partially hanging off, and continue fighting, knocking out his opponent. You have to be born that way, it can’t be taught or learned in the gym.”’
empirical43 a few words to that pile of garbage
Ted lowery ,Colley Wallace, and the host of young youthful fighters he ducked and avoid who wouldn't stand for any bollocks and who wouldn't take any shit from. Anyone .
Roberto Day-Are you talking about Walcott or Marciano?
empirical43 grandad and road sweeper beater sloppy mafiano of course
empirical43 How would Ali know how hard Marciano hit? Your quote doesn’t ring true. Where did you get it?
From the computer fight they did.That was a 45 year old and very out of shape, fat from overeating, Marciano, mind you
"What could be better than walking down any street and knowing you are the heavyweight champ of the world." - Rocky Marciano
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
No he's not. Gene Tunney ended his heavyweight career with no defeat.
Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long.
Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs.
By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem.
If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco
*Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight*
*(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."*
Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"*
Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."*
Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."*
Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."*
*This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76*
(As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:*
*“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”*
*“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."*
Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated:
*“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”*
Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said:
*“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."*
*“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."*
*“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."*
*“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."*
*"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange. Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."*
(( Source - RING, Sept. 1965 Walcott insist Ali would beat Dempsey, Louis, Rocky, etc. by Ed Brennan ))
In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about....should i believe you,, a biased casual,, or Jersey Joe ?
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City
*"Marciano admitted he could not beat a prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian
This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who!
Such a gentleman even Ali was respectful toward him, and didn't even take offense when Rocky had a slip of the tongue and referred to him as "Clay".
"I have always adhered to two principles. The first one is to train hard and get in the best possible physical condition. The second is to forget all about the other fellow until you face him in the ring and the bell sounds for the fight." -- Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky Marciano had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
This was before three Frazier fights, three fights with Ken Norton, and the George Foreman proved Ali's hypothesis. Ali too big, Ali too fast, Ali too strong a puncher, Ali too fast a jab, and the bad news, Ali too tough, takes heavy punishment well. I'm afraid Ali was right. Marciano, while a formidable opponent, wouldn't have lasted long.
Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs.
By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem.
If you don't take anything away from this chapter, let me reiterate, commit this to memory: *"Ali would have beat Marciano if they had ever really fought."* - Ferdie Pacheco
*Source - Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco 2010. Chapter 10, When Ali took on Marciano - The Fake Fight*
*(( IN SUMMARY ALI CHALLENGES ROCKY AND ROCKY DECLINED...AND THAT'S NOT JUST A THEORY OR A FABRICATED LIE...IT'S A FACT!!!! ))*
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."*
Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"*
Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."*
Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."*
Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."*
*This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76*
(As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:*
*“Cassius Clay is the best Heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”*
*“Clay gets better each time you see him. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight. He hits like a heavyweight. He puts his punches together better than any heavyweight champion I’ve ever seen."*
Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated:
*“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers.”*
Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said:
*“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. Clay would just have to stay away from us for a few rounds and then start throwing his combinations."*
*“Cassius’ edge in height and reach, his fast hands and legs and the power he puts into his punches, whether from in close or at long range, would be too much for any of the champs I’ve mentioned."*
*“All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance."*
*“When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch."*
*"I didn’t fight Dempsey. But I did fight Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. Some of us might hit as hard but Clay would out punch us in every exchange. Now, when Dempsey was fighting, he stood right over a man he had floored and hit him as he was getting up."*
(( Source - RING, Sept. 1965 Walcott insist Ali would beat Dempsey, Louis, Rocky, etc. by Ed Brennan ))
In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about....should i believe you,, a biased casual,, or Jersey Joe ?
*C-LEVEL Journeyman Walcott lost to Middleweights Mays ,, Palmer ,, Ketchell ,, and to Light heavyweights Charles x2 ,, Fox x2 ,, Maxim ,, Brothers ,, Taylor.. In summary Walcott consistently lost to Middleweights and Light heavyweights!!! Overall he lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times!!!*
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Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
ROCKY PROVED THAT HEIGHT, WEIGHT, REACH, EXPERIENCE, DON'T MATTER!
Respect for fellow boxers. Something Ali never learned. 😮
The way Rocky throws punches from every conceivable point on the compass is not only fun to watch but inspiring. He was a perpetual motion punching machine that ground his opponents down like a hydraulic drill attacking a boulder.
Rocky was almost as popular as the President and so many sports writers across America was printing information about him during his championship years. Some of that material is rare and great sources of authentic information.
Rocky Marciano: The 13th Candle
Rocky Marciano: Training And Meal Of Great Champion
The Rocky Marciano Story - 1954
Rocky Marciano's Book of Boxing and Bodybuilding
Rocky Marciano: The Winner !
This Guy Marciano
Rocky Marciano: A Life Story
Rocky Marciano: Undefeated Heavyweight Champion Of The World
Rocky: The Story Of A Champion
Undefeated: Rocky Marciano The Fighter Who Refused To Lose
Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster
Rocky Marciano: The Immortal Champion
Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times
Rocky Marciano: Biography Of A First Son
Unbeaten
And much more through boxing magazines, newspaper articles, 1952 LIFE magazine, 1955 Sports Illustrated, etcetera.
I stand by the "5 pounds" built into his combat boots only through his early training years at the park next to his mother/father's house. When his training became more advanced he ran in Converse black-and-white version of the All Star tennis shoes.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night.
He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted.
He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy.
He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag.
He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds).
He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer
He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else.
Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour.
And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar.
Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds.
No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion.
There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp.
Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.”
And he wasn’t.
Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply:
“Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.”
And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
What a fascinating fight. Walcott looks like the best of our modern fighters... size, power, physique and skills. Marciano is a total anomaly. He's small(184 pounds), and very unorthodox. Yet he's always stalking, and relentless. He has dynamite in both hands. What a devastating KO.
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You're very true I boxed a long time and not much has changed from the 1910s 1908 until Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali course did the road to go he also pulled you in and pulled you down where you out hold on your neck these old fights are really good
If you like these older fights look at jet Jack Johnson he was a modern boxer
Walcott is nowhere close to the best of modern fighters. Both of these men are snail slow brawlers.
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
Rocky Marciano 🎵 simply the best , better than the rest 🎵
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
MARCIANO=PERFECTION!
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
HEROES GET REMEMBERED, BUT LEGENDS NEVER DIE!
If they weren't ruined before, they were after.
this was the greatest effort of walcott's career, he fought like a man possessed, not wanting to give up the belt. and ironically he engaged in a slugfest with Marciano despite the fact that he was a slick boxer. one of the best fights ive ever seen. these guys were throwing haymakers from the opening bell. Marciano was the greatest late round fighter that ever lived.
That Right of his!!!
Gotta give Marcianos pressure, aggression n his power punching credit for Jersey Joe having a slugfest, it was that or get KOd defending/Waltzing
The most overlooked and underrated aspect of Marcianos game was that he was really difficult to keep at the end of your punches and land the jab on. His overall defense wasn’t anything special but his jab defense in particular was really good, he rarely got hit with jabs as a contender to champion
yeah but jersey joe got knocked out in the rematch in the 1st round because he remembered the 13th round shot that crippled him and he could have gotten up but didn't want to take another shot from old rocky
Jersey Joe Walcott was 38 in this fight and Rocky 29! That is quite a big age gap. That's why Rocky is not rated as the greatest, he did fight a lot of older fighters, Joe Loius and Archie Moore, etc! Rocky also had big gaps between fighting to keep himself strong!
Yes he had huge punching power, but i don't he could have handled Joe Frazier let alone ALI!
Ezzard Charles spit his nose in their first fight, ALI would have cut his face to ribbons and the fight would have been stopped!
ALI beat Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman! Rocky never fought men of that caliber, except Ezzard!
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
@@Samantha_Lavery_Medici Other fighters had more finesse. But none of them during the Rock's era were better conditioned, could hit as hard or had as much heart and desire to win. That's why he went undefeated during his reign as heavyweight champion. Had he not retired in 1956, he would have run into such up and comers as Floyd Patterson, Ingmar Johansen and maybe Sonny Liston. It's anyone's guess who would have come out on top in those matches.
Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott's 20 losses:
*1.* ln 1930 Walcott lost to 159-lb Palmer. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *SEVEN* years old.
*2.* In 1930 Walcott lost to 158-lb Carl Mays. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *EIGHT* years old.
*3.* In 1933 Walcott lost to 177-lb Henry Taylor. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TEN* years old.
*4.* In 1936 Walcott was *KOd* by 191-lb Al Ettore. Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old.
*5.* In 1936 Walcott lost to 179-lb Billy Ketchell. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old.
*6.* In 1937 Walcott was *KOd* by 178-lb Tiger Jack Fox. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old.
*7.* In 1937 Walcott lost to 174-lb George Brothers. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old.
*8.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 184-lb Tiger Jack Fox AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old.
*9.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 197-lb Roy Lazer. Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old.
*10.* In 1940 Walcott was *KOd* and sent into *RETIREMENT* for *3-years* by 256-lb Abe Simon. A Super Heavyweight in every sense, he benefitted from a remarkable sixty-two pound weight advantage. Behind in points in the first five rounds, Simon unleashed a tremendous right @ 2:32 into the sixth causing the knockout. Walcott barely moved as he was counted out." -- Wiki* ..Simon was sent into *permanent RETIREMENT* by Joe Louis in 1942. Marciano was *SEVENTEEN* years old.
*11.* In 1945 Walcott lost to 204-lb Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was *TWENTY TWO* years old.
*12.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 179-lb Joey Maxim. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old.
*13.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 191-lb Elmer Ray. Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old.
*14.* In 1947 Walcott lost to 212-pound Joe Louis. *JOE LOUIS SAID HE BEAT WALCOTT IN THIS BOUT.. LOUIS ALSO SAID WALCOTT WAS OLDER THAN HE WAS (@ Louis vs. Walcott The Way it Was Part 1 and 2).* Marciano was *TWENTY FOUR* years old.
*15.* In 1948 Walcott was *KOd* by 213-lb Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the Journeyman so he announced his retirement March 1, 1949. Louis's once speedy reflexes were gone and it showed. Marciano was *TWENTY FIVE* years old.
*16.* In 1949 Walcott lost to 181-lb Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the *"vacant"* Heavyweight title. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY SIX* years old.
*17.* In 1950 Walcott lost to 192-lb Rex Layne. Marciano was *TWENTY SEVEN* years old.
*18.* In 1951 Walcott lost to 185-lb Ezzard Charles AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY EIGHT* years old.
*19.* In 1952 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY NINE* years old.
*IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) - WHAT HAPPENS???*
*20.* In 1953 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTY* years old and Walcott was very close to *FORTY!!!*
*It was advantageous that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik' bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military.*
Rocky was a relentless , swarming, bludgeoning type of fighter, who simply outfought, outpunched and outlasted everyone he stepped into the ring with. Tremendous will and stamina, and raw bonecrunching power made him formidable , you just couldn't discourage him in his obsessed craving to win at all costs.......A really tough fighter.......and a great unbeaten champ
Not to mention probably smallest heavyweight ever with t Rex arms and still went undefeated
@@favoriteofalltimefoat also hes 188 lbs and can hit harder than pretty much everyone
@@yes-qw6om smallest heavyweight ever
@@favoriteofalltimefoat Tommy Burns, Dwight Qawi, Sam Langford...
Rocky only had six title defenses, in my opinion you should have a minimum of ten/twelve title defenses to be considered an all time great. IJS..they have minimum at bats and minimum innings pitched in baseball, minimum games played, minimum pass attempts in football, IJS.
So much respect for ALL these greats. Warriors, Gladiators, MEN. Never hate on any man that’s willing to get in the ring. They are scared, yet they are feared. What a great fight! Beautiful fight between two beautiful champions.
But wow they had to scrape Walcott off the canvas
great comment perfectly put
Couldn't have put it better myself Mr. Hinkle well said. 👍
Addressed to John Hinkle. I couldn't have said this better myself you are correct sir
♦️How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter.
Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula.
Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges.
Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!!
Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Don't be fooled by his size or awkward style, Marciano was a beast.
Marciano Magnificent Perfection
Wherever Marciano went, destruction followed
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
MARCIANO=PERFECTION!
I feel fortunate that I can watch this in 2022. Props to BoxNights.
What an outstanding fight. Two monster legends, RIP.
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
@@Jabbing_Jack I think you are being a little hard on Marciano. That first fight with Walcott required the heart of a lion to win. Walcott was punishing Marciano badly but Marciano never quit. Most fighters would have laid down and taken the lose. That fight and the fight with Charles, where Marciano's nose was split, tells me all I need to know about the guy. He wasn't a quitter. He was smart enough to quit while he was ahead and still have a fully functioning brain.
@@Jabbing_Jack You sound like a leftist with your little hate spat. You got the point accrues you hate the fact Rocky Marciano was the only undefeated heavy weight champion of the world and a Sonny Liston fan but hey you can't change real history as much as you people like to think so. Here is a little fun fact, Rocky never ducked anybody ever and beat their ass equally regardless of race, creed or color and here is another little fun fact, it took his wife to talk him out of boxing or he would have ran that record up even more. He was a equal opportunity ass kicker. Deal with it.
@@Jabbing_Jack Sonny Liston was best ever, wasn't he? 🙂
@@Jabbing_Jack here you are you black racist troll doing everything you can to troll rocky. You just can't stand that rocky beat up your black idols and retired undeafeated.
This fight was the first time I ever saw television! I was in the first grade, and a friend of my Dad had a television set...the only one in town! Thanks for reviving my memories!
Joe Walcott was an awesome fighter.. He was just too damn old in this fight. Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily.
To be fair, Joe was smart enough to know Rocky wasn't hurt after that 1st round Knock down and took a longer approach to the bout. He was going for a points decision, and he was ahead on all 3 scorecards into the 13th round. I'd say if Rocky hadn't fooled him so expertly in that final exchange, had they not been throwing at the same time, Walcott would've retained the belt.
Rocky said "that night I thought Joe was the greatest boxer in the world!" He said he learned a lot from it.
@@paysonfox88 "Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily." Yeah, ok, lol.
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
*By the 1950s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers around the world were trying to get their hands on some. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s and by the 1950s they were prolific* 💊🤢💉
*To think millionaire Marciano was drug free is ludacris. During his time Marciano was the most popular athlete in America and he had Best Physicians helping him!!!*
💊💊💊🤢💉💉💉
Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%.
Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%.
Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
No matter how old Walcott was in this bout, he gave Rocky his toughest fight other than Charles. Walcott got better age, crafty, slick, a ring cutie. Had it gone to distance he would've won on points.....Rocky is just pure class, not many escaped his KO power. RIP to both of these legends...gotta love this sport
this was Marciano's first ass whooping, he was never the same again
Hedz B ass whooping?!what fight were you watching?!
Bun B don't forget the great other Charles the cobra in Cincinnati Ohio that was a brawl as well Ezzard Charles
Bun B
I like wat yer saying but theres no way Jersey Joe was gonna win that on points.
Rocky had him on the way out from rd 9 on, it was only Joes guts, heart, skillz n pride that was keeping him in it.
Rocky wore him down with top class pressure.
@@dannyburch2122 I assume that's who he meant.
Great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...a beast in the ring...and class outside of it...put The Rock in with anyone!
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
"Rocky would often take a nap in the dressing room before a big fight. The kid had ice water in his veins." -- Rocky's manager Charlie Goldman
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is
si, b. sul ring e Classe nella vita; il bel film su di lui -che consiglio a tutti- rende benissimo il concetto, basta ricordare il rapporto con J. Louis...-
One of the things I love about Rocky is after every round no matter what he just goes back to his corner and never gets upset with any fighter.
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime.
40yr old cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was already fighting pro when little Rocky was only 7yrs old!
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease in 1951.
*Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the little 189 lb cruiser. Exactly 95% of Moore's 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruisers.
*Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky quit bcz he was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. I have the source.
*If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, and his trainers (Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera, Bill Gore) said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
In the 11th and 12th rounds , Rocky and his brother even admitted that Walcott beat him up so badly that they were unsure if Rocky could continue the fight after each of those rounds. 12th round especially into the mid point of 13th, Joe looked like he was about to finish it. Had Walcott been 25 to 30 yrs old instead of 40, he definitely would have finished it.
@@Bobby.D.1776get out of the past and stop making excuses for yourself🐸🍿any jackass knows why boxing lost it's audience ?
Any one of those 50 people would have bitch slapped you or me!
@@Bobby.D.1776Indeed! Long before the ALS, Ezzard had killed Sam Baroudi inside the ring in 1948 and he lost his killer instinct after that.
Obviously prime Louis from 1938-1944 , would've destroyed Rocky and prime Charles would've beaten Marciano too
Walcott and Moore never would've beaten Marciano and the only reason that Walcott was dominating in their first Title Fight was because Rocky was blinded for 4 rounds .
All of the top young Heavyweights like Valdes, Baker Henry, Jackson, Walls and Buccerino never got a shot at the Title.
Rocky was smart to retire on top at 32 years of age. He wasn't brain damaged like Louis Charles, Ali, Frazier, etc.
My all time favorite Heavyweight championship fight. This upload is the best quality in the world bar none. Thanks so much!
In the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
*SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???*
*Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!*
Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that.
The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
Marciano gave real meaning to the saying: "Powerful things come in small packages"..... Rocky was knockout magic and never lost a fight.
He.lost.2.as.an
Ammater..read.the.book.
Walcott was an all time great fighter who probably beats any heavyweight in history on that night. His movement, agility, punching power and guile would be a nightmare for any heavyweight in history. I believe this was his greatest performance. He just went up against the most relentless and determined heavyweight in history. The Marciano right hand bomb that ended the fight was so monstrous that it sounded like a thunder clap. According to ringside observers, women and children ran toward the exit signs of Municipal stadium crying because they thought Walcott was dead.
@studentofsweetscience I agree that Walcott might have thought that Marciano was not on his level but I think he knew he had to hold his ground and get Marciano's respect, especially early in the fight. Also, it would be very hard for somebody to move for 15 rounds without running out of gas. Marciano actually got stronger as the fight went on. His conditioning and belief in his strength were unbelievable. Walcott was incredibly slick but also tough and powerful in his own right.Some of the exchanges they had in the middle rounds were ferocious. Neither fighter had any fear of the other. The lead left hook that dropped Marciano early was a great shot . Walcott starched the great Ezzard Charles with a similar punch. It seemed like once Marciano got warmed up he became almost indestructible, because Walcott hit him with much harder shots later in the fight and Marciano didn't blink. This was no doubt a great fight between 2 truly great fighters.
@studentofsweetscience I had Walcott winning the Joe Louis fight as most people did, however Marciano was a pure pressure fighter where Louis was a stand up boxer. Walcott was able to rest in spaces throughout the Louis fight. Marciano forced the pace by constantly coming forward. No doubt Walcott was in tremendous shape and didn't really slow down much in the Marciano fight. He just got caught on the chin by one of the great shots in ring history. Jersey Joe Walcott's courage might have cost him the championship. Right before the knockout shot, Walcott backed up to the ropes trying to make Marciano walk into a shot. Marciano shuffled forward and threw a range finding jab that was not intended to land but to measure Walcott. The jab also turned his shoulders , putting Marciano into perfect position to launch the right hand with full leverage. They both threw right hands at the same time. Marciano started his right slightly before Walcott started his and the rest is history. I had Walcott ahead on points but the tide was turning. In the middle and especially the late rounds Walcott started to realize that he couldn't knockout Marciano which is why he started to box and move a lot more. I thought Walcott fought an almost perfect fight but that one mistake cost him the title. If you look closely, after Walcott landed the great left hook that dropped Rocky in the first round, Marciano got up on steady legs and went right at Walcott and won the rest of that round. The fact that Marciano was able to recover so quickly from a knockout shot like that is one of the reasons he was so hard to beat.
@@mariealbergo7991 Two great fighters one over rated the other underrated, but both great fighters.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 i smell the brown bomber troll
Walcott's brain froze or he gassed. Why did he stopped moving like he had done up till then? Incomprehensible.
Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL* Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low *15 points* for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. *Who did he beat?* His best win *was against Walcott* but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.*
Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL* Walcott scores *55 points* for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. *He's more famous for his losses than his wins.* Ali scored *164 points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77* and little Marciano only scored *48 points!* Ali is the only Heavyweight with an *A+ LEVEL.* Marciano is *B-LEVEL* for his *weak competition* and *lack of points.* *(I'll ad a comment below thoroughly explaining Walcott's C-LEVEL resume in detail).*
Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a-low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156 points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight because *(23)* losses is *too many.* Ali only had *5,* Louis only had *3,* Lennox only had *2,* Wladimir only had *5,* Liston only had *4,* Vitali only had *2,* Bowe only had *1* etc. *BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!!* Well little Rocky only had *49* so *stop whining.*
Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.* Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are *Meaningless.* If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just like undisputed undefeated light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks was. --- *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."*
*People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
*In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."*
*Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes.
After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.
You are in every comment section of Marcianos fights with multiple different accounts bashing him, posting the same nonsense to discredit him and then upvoting your own comments. 😂😂😂
Probably some dumb n……
You are a LOSER.
I’m going on 87 years old and remember watching this fight through a furniture store window. The store would turn on a black and white TV, and turn it toward the storefront window. Always liked the Saturday Night Fights.
I was around 15 years old.
this must have been a time when balding men ruled the world.
it was fought on my 15th birthday and i am now 84 the date is 7-27-22
WOW !!!!!! THAT IS GREAT !!!!!!!! You cannot forget that !
You witnessed the pinnacle of the sport of boxing in your day. And, the pinnacle of this greatest country on Earth, the United States of America.
@@thejerseyj5479🇺🇸 😁👍👍🇺🇲 ,👍😁 🥊💥🥊💥🌠🌛
RIP, Rocky. Undefeated, nobody can ever take that away.
Undefeated cause he retiered young. JOE Louis had to keep fighting after his prime ,becaus the govetment got him in Debt while he served in world war 2.
@@lovenlightman spelling isn't your strong point is it?
BAlboa Rocky ?
Few fights too
id agree if walcott and others werent much older over the hill fighters i dont know but i think lewis was older not sure
"A perfect record does not mean that someone is the greatest. Rocky Marciano never lost a fight, but I never hear anyone say he's the greatest Heavyweight champion of all time." - Authored by: Steve Sabol
Sabol was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2011 as a contributor due to his works with NFL Films. While NFL Films has won over 100 Emmys, Sabol himself has received 35 of those Emmys for writing, cinematography, editing, directing, and producing. No one else in all of television has earned as many Emmys in as many different categories. He was also a boxing scholar/historian.
70 years later and this is still impressive.
Indeed. What an abrupt ending!
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach.
Shocking isn't it.
Those other small guys weren't so small after all.
They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems.
On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!
If little Marciano had just ONE draw (48-0-1) everyone would have abandoned his ship long ago. But his '0' is the ONLY thing that keeps him afloat. Marciano's top 10 ranking is determined by computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man made program was coded to exclude WEIGHT from the equation. That's why 165 lb 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible 185 lb Marciano ranks higher than Fury Ibeabuchi Holmes Lewis Bowe Vitali Wladimir Foreman etcetera? Now we know why. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165 to 275 lbs, ranking bodies still exclude WEIGHT from their metric, yet they acknowledge (17) different WEIGHT classes, imagine that. Top 10 rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt!!! Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.
Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he had 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Charles/Moore ranked higher than Spinks? Because they fought little Marciano which automatically makes them immortal even though they Lost "FORTY-EIGHT" times and were "KTFO-FOURTEEN" times. It's no wonder HOF Greats Jimmy Cannon and Bert Sugar said, "Marciano's era was horseshit."
@@Stout_Krout You're a crazy brown person, aren't you?
Wow, two titans smashing each other. I had no idea of how formidable Walcott was. And the relentlessly attacking Marciano is a sight to behold.
Marciano was always coming at you even if you hurt him. Much respect to both.
Yes
How they didn't both have broken ribs I don't know
First off comparing what round who beat who is nonsensical. Styles make fights. Ali went 15 rounds almost with Chuck Wepner and the year before knocked Foreman in his peak out in 8 rounds. In your ridiculous theory you're saying Chuck Wepner was way better than Foreman! Yeah right! Furthermore no fighter was ever better conditioned than Rocky. Read his training regimen. Rocky's lunches hit with the same force as an armor piercing bullet. Get that an armor piercing bullet. He beat every person he was ever in front of and was often a a big size disadvantage. He stalked you the entire fight and applied pressure like no other fighter. He had a killer instinct that maybe only Tyson, Foreman, and Liston could have matched. And would have given any heavyweight in history fits with his style. 49-0 with 43ko's. No one even close to that in history! His prime was later than most but what a prime he had for about 5 years. And was smart enough to quit on top and be remembered as a legend and all time great that he is!
Walcott in the day was a monster!
In his prime jersey Joe would have beat Rocky!!
Marciano is the single greatest fighter this sport will ever produce!
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
HEROES GET REMEMBERED, BUT LEGENDS NEVER DIE!
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
2 legend boxers. RIP..
My God! These guys are incredible. Just one of those body shots by the Rock to the average man would have broken all their ribs 3 x over! And Joe keeps on fighting? How? True champions both!
Hall of Fame All Time Great Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, yet only lost by split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
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Fourteen months after Marciano fights Moore he calls the Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore match at-ringside. The defeatism in Marciano's voice is undeniably resigned to futility. He is flabbergasted at Patterson's blinding speed and immediately realizes it would be pointless to make a comeback even though every sportswriter across America is begging him to come out of retirement after Patterson just walked through everything Moore threw without blinking and KO’d Archie in 5.
Directly after Patterson beat Moore for the vacant heavyweight championship Cus D'Amato suggested that the return of Rocky Marciano to the ring would be most welcome and would draw "the greatest gate in history." Marciano "declined" --written by Vault | SI 1956
It says in the book-( The Greatest Fights.. That Never Were ) -by Matthew Bazell, that Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Patterson. Marciano was offered 2 MILLION dollars. The Patterson people including Cus wanted that fight so bad. But Marciano wouldn't take it no matter how much he was offered.
( Marciano discusses his multi-million dollar offers @-( The Marciano Tapes #3 )
[[ Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore by SPORTvidos ]]
Rocky Marciano would have demolished Floyd Patterson with the greatest of ease. No defeatism in Rocky Marciano, that was reserved for all his opponents, Rocky couldn't be beat period..
Marciano didn’t beat an old man. He eat a great fighter during an excellent stretch in his in career. Joe Walcott is an all time great and did some of his best boxing at the end of his career.
But he was old, just like the other fighters he fought.
The Rock fought who was in font of him but his defenses were against older past their prime fighters.
I'm 52 now , looking back when i was in my 30s I was still in my prime
38 is only old to lazy, fat, chain-smoking slobs.
@@rrizo6846 everybody is past their prime in their thirties, though they may think they're not.
James D. Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of 'Blinky' Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious Italian mobsters) created The International Boxing Club Of New York (IBC) to control boxing and everybody involved.
Imagine the pain the next day after being involved in this onslaught, what a fight, your average man is down and out after one of them body slugs. Brilliant classic fight, cheers for the upload, it should remain on TH-cam forever. 👍
The rematch Walcott decided not to get up for more of that. They asked him about it and he said look I tried everything I had in the first fight.
The average man might not get up after being hit by either one of these greats.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night.
He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted.
He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy.
He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag.
He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds).
He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer
He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else.
Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour.
And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar.
Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds.
No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion.
There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp.
Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.”
And he wasn’t.
Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply:
“Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.”
And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
It's been 70 years and Marciano's 49-0 with 43 knockouts is chiseled into 'Granite' for eternity regardless what folks write, say or think.
This fight just makes my respect for Jersey Joe grow even more. He was slicker than oil, could punch like a sledgehammer, especially with the hook, he knew every trick in the book, and in this fight looked almost ready to defend his title to the death if need be.
Jersey Joe was way underrated, in my opinion. One helluva fighter, grew up in tough times. In my personal Hall of Fame.
ATG.
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky with 67" flyweight reach was a great champ in his own era and a credit to the sport of boxing, however he boxed in a weak post war drained era where boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost, Rocky, in fact never beat one 200+lbs, prime, genuine Heavyweight and struggled badly with some of the old opposition that he did beat. *Since then there's been many, many other topnotch genuine 220 to 300+lbs Heavyweights similar to:*
Miller - 333 lbs
Zhang - 287
Joyce - 280
Fury - 277
Ngannou - 272
Makhmudov - 260
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Foreman - 260
Lennox - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Wladimir - 245
Parker - 250
Bowe - 245
Anderson - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Sanchez - 245
Whyte - 250
Joshua - 250
Ruddock - 245
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Liston - 220
Tyson - 220
Thomas - 225
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 230
Lyle - 220
Usyk - 222
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
*Marciano - 184*
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns!
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
My Dad said he was the best in his prime, but didn't get a proper chance. And he saw them all, into the mid 1990s.
*ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."*
*People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
*In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."*
*Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Any excuse will do.
@@michaelmettry6120 Lou Gehrig's Disease is not an excuse.
Had enough strength to sign the contracts and cash the checks though. Guess we should ignore the 8 ko victories he had between '51 and the loss to Marciano.
@@manny4mayor He didn't have 8 KO's. ALL yer credibility just flew out the window. Try again Mr. Whiteboy.
*Famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's disease for 55 years after he was diagnosed in 1963.* Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* ... Charles lost the title to Walcott in 51. He attempted to regain the title 3 times, losing once to Walcott in 52 and twice to Marciano in 54. *There's no room for debate. Too many reputable witnesses. Charles was 100% factually handicapped when he fought Marciano!*
Teddy Brenner, who worked for Al Weill in the late-1940s and subsequently became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing, later acknowledged, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter, he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager, he was controlled by Carbo.”
In May 1949, Weill became the matchmaker for the International Boxing Club. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. Marciano wasn’t the first fighter to be moved by people of influence. Nor will he be the last.
It’s what happened after the first LaStarza fight that really blemished Marciano’s career by taking a major step back in competition. Rocky’s handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat.
His next opponent was F-level Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was F-level Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses. Marciano was picking and choosing his fights his entire career.
Marciano's 32nd fight was against F-level Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses. His 33rd fight was against F-level Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses. 34th fight was against F-level Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses. And his 35th fight was against F-level Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses.
It's clear as day Frankie Carbo and Al Weill padded Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
This is the best fight of Walcott's career. It is astounding that he didn't demolish Rocky -- aside from knocking him down with a left hook that knocked out Ezzard Charles, he was lifting Marciano off the canvas in the later rounds. Incredible bout.
Unlucky 13 round for Wolcott Lucky 13 for Rocky!
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A right to the chin knocked joe out cold...unconcious...lights out...
Ali would have chopped Rocky to pieces. Rocky would never lay a glove on Ali.
@@richardscott7377 I agree ,Rocky would be swinging his devastating punches at fresh air ha !.
Archie Moore's turn finally arrived in 1952 when he was a veteran of, at a conservative estimate, 170 contests. He had enlisted the help of leading writers to campaign on his behalf. The world light heavyweight champion, Joey Maxim, was an Italian-American whose real name was Giuseppe Antonio Berardinelli. Maxim's manager, Jack "Doc" Kearns, who had managed the great 1920s heavyweight Jack Dempsey, insisted on Maxim being paid $100,000 in return for allowing the fight to go ahead in St Louis. Moore took what was left, which turned out to be $800. By the time he had paid off his sparring partners and other pre-fight expenses, there was nothing left.
Nevertheless, he won the world light heavyweight title at the age of 39. After the decision, he walked over to Maxim, but was brushed aside by Kearns. "Never mind the condolences, kid," said the old man. "We've got all the money." More than that, Kearns had threatened to pull Maxim out of the fight unless Moore cut him in as his co-manager. Moore had signed - and then discovered Kearns had also negotiated a rematch clause. As a result, Moore had to beat Maxim twice more. Kearns earned a fortune.
*This is another perfect example of how the underworld monopolized every single facet of boxing during that era. The International Boxing Club Mafioso President Norris and his Boss Carbo owned Marciano's manager Al Weill. Including ticket sales they took 60% of everything Marciano earned. They had theiy collar-n-leash around Marciano and made Millions!!!
this is important information you give here. But I don't think it takes away from Marciano's greatness.
@@andrewmartin538 it sure does..
Also when Moore knocked Rocky down they gave him a 20+ count to get up
They insured he wasn't gonna lose
Moore was aged very aged and still smh
@@WARS187 no ! They did not give him a 20 count ! Were did you get this stuff ! He got up emediatly! You have no facts and bpno credibility. You are a racist.
It is so cool to hear the audience ambient background talk and shouts with those old omni directional microphones...
Man gets knocked down for the first time in his career...he's gets cut...blinded for 3 or 4 rounds...JJW is pounding the shit out of him...he's behind on all scorecards...and then in the 13th round..."POW"...he throws the best right hand ever...KO's Joe Walcott...and wins the title!!! The man was a FIGHTER...he wasn't there to do anything else!
Knocked out an old man. And had PLENTY of trouble. Not Impressive at all.
Not impressive? You're kidding!
Jim Cushman Why would I be impressed with a man who is more than 12 years younger than his Old Opponent winning a fight in which he was LOSING, GOT CUT, HURT AND KNOCKED DOWN???????
You mean when Ali beat Liston...who was 10 years older than Ali....
...Brian London...who was 8 years older than Ali....George Chuvalo...was was 5 years older than Ali...Floyd Patterson...who was 7 years older than Ali...Cleveland Williaams...who was 9 years older than Ali.....you mean Zora Folley...who was 11 years older than Ali. You mean Henry Cooper...who was 8 years older than Ali?These are the ages of Ali's opponents when he was in his prime from 1963 to 1967. You wanna talk ages?
Ali wasn't knocked down, cut, beat up and behind in those fights. THAT'S THE POINT! He handled those fighters the way he was SUPPOSED TO. So did Tyson when HE was younger. THAT'S THE POINT! NOT THE AGE.
Incredible fight. Everyone remembers the KO at the ending, but I (having to seen it in a few years) forgot what an incredible brawl it was before the 13th. New respect for both men. Two of my favorite heavys.
Anyway I scored it
1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, and 12 for Walcott
Marciano won 3, 5, 9, and 10. He definitely needed that KO to win.
Respect.
How did you score round 6? I gave 6 to Marciano.
Well there were 3 more rds to go so who knows what the cards would said aside what a fight guts and glory...and to think the gloves were a hellva thinner than today's gloves. Rocky took a beating but gave as good as he got
@@robertwilkinson5971 As I understand it, gloves are to protect hands, not heads. Maybe in totality more padding allows more hard punches to be thrown? And it looks like Rocky gave slightly better than he got...
no matter how many rounds he got the KO failed walcott!!
Thundering fists, bloodied gloves, sweltering heat and a chant that would build and erupt: rocky, Rocky, ROCKY! He earned his 49-0 with raw intensity, rainmaker hooks and spring-loaded uppercuts. Marciano was relentless and tougher than a coffin nail.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was almost as popular as the President and so many sports writers across America was printing information about him during his championship years. Some of that material is rare and great sources of authentic information.
Rocky Marciano: The 13th Candle
Rocky Marciano: Training And Meal Of Great Champion
The Rocky Marciano Story - 1954
Rocky Marciano's Book of Boxing and Bodybuilding
Rocky Marciano: The Winner !
This Guy Marciano
Rocky Marciano: A Life Story
Rocky Marciano: Undefeated Heavyweight Champion Of The World
Rocky: The Story Of A Champion
Undefeated: Rocky Marciano The Fighter Who Refused To Lose
Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster
Rocky Marciano: The Immortal Champion
Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times
Rocky Marciano: Biography Of A First Son
Unbeaten
And much more through boxing magazines, newspaper articles, 1952 LIFE magazine, 1955 Sports Illustrated, etcetera.
I stand by the "5 pounds" built into his combat boots only through his early training years at the park next to his mother/father's house. When his training became more advanced he ran in Converse black-and-white version of the All Star tennis shoes.
The chins these guys used to have, it's unbelievable
Would of hated to see some of these guys in later life.they would be vegetables.
@@joshuatree5620 ... yea I knew a man back in the early 1980's from the late 40's and 50's pro boxing scene in Oakland ca. ... he was damaged severely from the " sport " .... walked with a limp .. had a slurred speech impediment ... drooled from his mouth considerably ... he was a vibrant man despite his permanent injuries .... God bless him ....
And I'll bet they had little to no padding in those gloves. 🙄
@@joshuatree5620 well recived
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I have a feeling that right hand that took Joe down would have killed an average man. I'm a big Marciano fan but became a bit annoyed when the announcer constantly mentioned Joe's age. They both took one hell of a beating that night!
howard Cosell would have done a much better job
The announcer did that in most of Marciano's fights,probably to demean rocky's ability.
That last right didn't connect Walcott took a drive.
kevlarunderwear22 Cosell would have talked about the evils of boxing for 14 rounds. How fun is that?
johnny brize Probablh because it was true and its an important factor in the “story” of a fight.
The best ever, Rocky Marciano. 49-0 unmatched in the heavyweight division. I find myself continually defending him against comparison to modern day fighters. Modern day athletes are bigger, stronger, and enjoy better training, nutrition, health care, financial support and more. Rocky's accomplishments should always be measured against his peers during his era.
Arrêtez, Marciano ne tiendra pas 3 rounds devant Georges Foreman.
@@sergegregoire5004 Everyone wants to time travel Rocky to fight some modern fighter. He fought in the fifties against his contemporaries. The average heavyweight fighter was 198 pounds. The average NFL offensive lineman was 235 pounds in the fifties.You can't compare athletes across generations. I don't understand why people just can't appreciate the man for what he accomplished.
@artisaprimus6306 Marciano was a great fighter, but let's be honest. There have been many, great fighters Well, before Marciano's time.?
@@bdcarroll415 Of course, Rocky is just one of many.
@artisaprimus6306 Yes, believe me, and there are many that boxing fans will never know or hear of..?
Marciano hits like a bolt of lightning, I had to rewind the viedo 5 times to see the right hand knock out punch, unbelievable indurance and power.
Same here. Couldn't hardly catch it he swung so fast.
I did the same, I think I rewatched that knock out punch 8 or 10 times, it didn’t even look like it was much, but when you saw Joe Walcott’s head jerk back and to the right, you knew that was a super powerful right hand, so fast, and the left that followed didn’t help Joe much either, what a fight, modern day gladiators for their time, these men made boxing exciting, The Rock always was, and still is one of my all time favorites to this day.
I totally agree. I know for a fact that the hand is quicker than the eye and the camera too, but man at 56:33 I played that video over and over again and never could see Rocky's glove actually contact Walcott's head. I honestly could not swear that I actually saw that punch connect. This is not the first time I saw a quicker than the eye punch though. But most of the time I can stop the film and see the contact. This time I could not.
@@tonyhelton2788 Took a "dive"?
@booch326 took a dive after he got jackhammered by Rocky's right hand
What a classic, appreciate the upload. Interesting that both had a sort of broken rhythm that made them hard to hit cleanly, even without much footwork compared to some others, but both were also powerful and accurate punchers, so they connected heavy and often. Marciano's defense was very underrated, with lots of erratic head movement. And if one went for his body, he'd catch them with his own sledgehammer blows. Jersey Joe was in great shape, too, certainly not looking "over the hill". Exceptional boxing skills on display, but Rocky managed to get that sledgehammer to connect cleanly and that's all she wrote. Two of the greatest ever to enter the ring.
Not over the hill, but likely didn’t have the cardio or chin a man with less mileage would have had. I wonder how this fight would have gone ten years earlier when Walcott had more of his body to sacrifice.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
@@Sara_Sky_Sutton Lack of glamor and timing. Props to him for having hung up the gloves before the sport and training took too great a toll, so unfortunate to be taken by a freak accident.
40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F.
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level)
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level)
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level)
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level)
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level)
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level)
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level)
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level)
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level)
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
Archie Moore was 39, and on a 21 fight win streak, the longest of his career, all against younger opposition. He was prime. Joe Walcott was 38 and the Heavyweight Champion. He was also prime. Charles was 33, a year and a half older, and prime. Louis was 37, but had just won 8 straight. Rocky only had four years under his belt when he faced Joe Louis. Rocky had great wins over great fighters and champions.
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Charles, Walcott and Louis were all unquestionably far past their primes.
Moore was 41 actually, he was born in 1914 according to his mother.
The son of an Italian immigrant Rocco Francis Marchegiano a.k.a. Rocky Marciano was a protected fighter. The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's mafioso manager and matchmaker at the Garden took 50% and all ticket sales which pushed it closer to 60%. Marciano had no choice but to comply or no contract.
Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, they needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.
The mob controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control.
Every day the evidence stacked up against mafioso bosses Palermo and Carbo particularly, with a list of their associates touching almost every major player in 1950’s boxing. Eventually the verdict was damning; 25 years in Alcatraz for Carbo, 15 years in prison for Palermo. Rocky Marciano visited both inside their prison cells numerous times.
James D. Norris was president of the International Boxing Club of New York from 1949 to 1958. Norris was responsible for fixing numerous bouts. Besides match fixing, he was also managing many boxers against their will. The IBC dominated boxing in the U.S. in the 1950s, but was dissolved by the courts, which ruled it to be a monopoly.
49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.
40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F.
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level)
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level)
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level)
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level)
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level)
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level)
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level)
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level)
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level)
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
Marciano fanboys describe him as being so fierce that he basically killed all 49 of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these Rocky vids so saturated with so much exaggerated hyperbolic nonsense that it's laughable.
"Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook."
Don't be so gullible, Marciano only fed on middleweights and light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights.
If Marciano was so Powerful why didn't he ever break any bones? He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina. Exactly who's bones did he break? WAITING---TIC--TOC--TIC--TOC ..... ""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!!
Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had minor surgery, what's the big deal? Y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. LaStarza simply had tiny miniscule bone-chips removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. It's a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows. When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career.
*(Besides LaStarza said, "I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano." I have the article).
Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: "Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."
Rex only sustained "ONE" broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later, so what's the big deal? Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice.
"He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference" --written by Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.. (exaggerated misinformation at it's finest).
Rocky's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 13 opponents (not in order) that he supposedly "Forced-into-Retirement" instantaneously:
#1) Amateur Lee Epperson - 0 wins 0 losses. Shameful to even count this as a "Forced-Retirement." Retired from what? He never even had a career. Epperson was probably 15 years old like Walcott & Moore were when they first started.
#2) Amateur Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 0 losses. Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." Probably another 15 year old.
#3) Amateur John Edwards - 1 win 1 loss. Y'all gonna count this as a "Forced Retirement" also?
#4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the IRS-FORCED him to. As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was finally outta there for good!!!
#5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another easy $250K. Walcott received the lions share both fights. Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a fraction of that. $250K back then is $2.6 million today. Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he "QUIT"!!!
#6) Lee Savold age was 36 with 153 bouts. His manager, Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow." Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. Completely washed Savold was only there for his last Big-Paycheck!!!
#7) Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KO's (D to F-level). Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took 0:34 seconds for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and 1:28 in his last fight. The less said about "The-Bum" the better.
#8) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KO's looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Evans weighed 178 lbs. Too many light heavyweights.
#9) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KO's (D-level). Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. I thought this was the Heavyweight division?
#10) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KO's (D-level). Marciano fights Buonvino "TWICE", why?
#11) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KO's (F-level). Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. ("Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano", according to the Providence Journal, "Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round, and Eatman went down though it didn't appear he was hit"--written by BoxRec.)--Eatman obviously took-a-dive.
#12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's (F-level). Pete fought amateur Willie James with a 0-0-0 debut record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought 10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut records. For Pete's sake he also fought another 20 opponents that had 10 or less fights. Pete's profession was padding records.
#13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."
So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch.
It appears little Rocky didn't "Force-Retire" any of these boxers. Overwhelming majority of his supposed 43 KO's were referees stopping his fights prematurely and homeless walk-ins takin dives and paddin records.
@@Bobby.D.1776 Yeah but i'll bet you're an African American right? Yall are bitterly envious and hatefilled toward Whitey who's given you EVERYTHING you have, including boxrec, TH-cam, the English language, and on average 22% of your genetics to drag you up to an 80 IQ, running hot n cold water on demand, hot nutritious food on demand, the conditions to box in safety, the supplemnts, the super smart chemists who make the PEDs that all your athletes use to help promote the anti-Wh te J-ish agenda that you can hang with us, the cars you drive, the planes and ships your boxers OPPONENTS travel on, top notch boxing kit, including the clothes and boots, the heavy bags, speed bags, the multi storey building it's housed in, something EVEN TODAY Africans need Wh te folks to oversee, the TV and satellite that make it possible to watch boxing, the boxing coaching from which the sport emerged b/c we invented it, we codified the rules for boxing and every other sport - we are only a tiny minority in the world we still dominate most sports, everything that makes life tolerable is thanks to us
@@Bobby.D.1776ur mom was 49-0 with homeless men as well
The amount of punishment they took was incredible, especially Rocky.
Rocky Marciano was Champion of the World and in his career never lost one fight.
Rocky's numbers may not lie, *but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion.* So let's examine those 13 opponents *(not in order)* that he supposedly *FORCED INTO RETIREMENT* instantaneously.
#1) *Amateur* Lee Epperson - *0 wins 0 losses.* Shameful to even count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Retired from what??* He never even had a career. Epperson was probably *15 years old like Walcott and Moore were* when they first started.
#2) *Amateur* Jimmy Weeks - *0 wins 0 losses.* Embarrassing to count this as "Forced-Retirement." *Probably another 15 year old.*
#3) *Amateur* John Edwards - *1 win 1 loss.* Y'all gonna count this as *"Forced Retirement"* also???
#4) We factually know that ring-worn-n-washed Joe Louis only came back because the *IRS-FORCED him to.* As soon as IRS took Joe's purse for fightin Rocky he was *finally outta there for good!!!!*
#5) Walcott only returned for Marciano-2 for another *easy $250K.* Walcott received the *lions share both fights.* Had Walcott continued fightin he would have only received a *fraction* of that. *$250K back then is $2.6 million today.* Little Rocky never "Forced-Retirement" upon Walcott,, he *"QUIT"!!!!*
#6) Lee Savold age was 36 with *153 bouts.* His manager, *Bill Daily, asked referee Pete Tomasso to stop the uneven match at the end of the sixth round. "The will was there but not the body," said Daily. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire Tomorrow."* Lee didn't even throw a punch, he just stood there like a heavy punching bag. *Completely washed* Savold was only there for his last *Big-Paycheck!!!!*
#7) 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson - *4 wins 2 losses* with 28% KO's *F-LEVEL* Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better.
#8) Jimmy Evans - *18 wins 8 losses* with 50% KO's *F-LEVEL* Evans fought *10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Evans weighed 178 lbs. *Too many light heavyweights.*
#9) Harry Haft - *12 wins 8 losses* with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Harry was only 5' 9" 174 lbs. *Isn't this supposed to be the Heavyweight division???*
#10) Gino Buonvino - *24 wins 15 losses* with *10%* KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fights Buonvino *"TWICE"* ..why???
#11) Eldridge Eatman - *22 wins 21 losses* with 22% KO's *F-LEVEL* Marciano fought Eatman who had just lost *8 of his last 9 fights* Rocky's handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone decent after coming so close to losing against LaStarza. *"'Eatman proved no opposition for Marciano,'" according to BoxRec and the Providence Journal, "'Marciano hit Eatman with a right in the 3rd round and Eatman went down, THOUGH IT DIDN'T APPEAR HE WAS HIT'"* ..Eatman's profession was *paddin records.*
#12) Pete Louthis was 32-13-5 with 35% KO's *F-LEVEL* Pete fought *amateur* Willie James with a *0-0-0 debut* record only 2 fights before facing Marciano. Pete fought *10 amateurs with 0-0-0 debut* records. For Pete's sake he also fought another *20 opponents that had 10 or less fights.*
#13) Carmine Vingo -- 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KO's looks okay until you see *ALL 16* wins came against *F-LEVEL* opponents. The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."*
So it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin*
After all this time i was *mislead* into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD --Carmine Vingo*
*IT APPEARS LITTLE ROCKY DID NOT FORCE-RETIRE ""ANY"" OF THESE BOXERS*
Shut up. Even a flyweight would kick your butt.
You sound like a hater
Thank you!
Now tell me about George Foreman's 'retirement' run to fight Evander Holyfield?
@@jfweimar Shall we start with Big George winning the Gold medal in 68 or-is slugfest with Ron Lyle??? How bout when he bounced Frazier up and down lik' a Basket🏀ball??? .....Little 184-lb cruiserweight dwarfism-arms LMFAO 😂
@@Stout_Krout The Foreman / Lyle fight is my favorite & probably the all time greatest fight. My comparison with 'older' Foreman and Marciano was to suggest a desired outcome.
One thing that helped Marciano a lot was his excellent conditioning. The opponent was not going to win by tiring him out.
His age
Yeah, kept coming for 15 rounds. Frazier in the first Ali fight was the only other heavyweight that comes to mind who was able to sustain such intensity like that.
Never a more devastating single punch in boxing history. It was perfect.
Ray Mancini said it was textbook… Like his glove barely left his chest… Short accurate… Right on the button
It could have sunk an aircraft carrier. Imagine being on the other end of it. A dark specter.
@@MaximusWolfe Rocky was very appropriate at the post fight press conference,he was a true champion,word
Shall we start with his 15 opponents that had losing records or all his opponents that had 20 30 40 50+ losses and were KO'd too many times to count??? Walcott Charles Moore Savold lost (113) times and were KO'd (32) times.
Ted Lowry was another middleweight turned light heavyweight who had (57) losses. Lowry took Marciano the distance twice and everyone that witnessed their first fight convincingly said Lowry won. Marciano even admitted he was "lucky to have won."
There's a pic of Ezzard Charles standing next to middleweight Sugar Ray Robinson and Ray looked bigger! Charles was another middleweight turned light heavyweight with a very slender build and the lowest ever 42% KOs. Both Ezzard and his family said he was showing signs of ALS in 1951.
Don't get me wrong, there were some very good light heavyweights during this time, but the 200+lbs Heavyweight division was a complete and utter embarrassment.
Rocky fans always say his opponents were Bigger than he was. Then name all these 200+lbs Bigger opponents and let's go over their career records and KO percentages one at a time..
For example little Rocky's heaviest opponent was *F-LEVEL* 254-lb Humphrey *"The-Bum"* Jackson who had a career *4 wins 2 losses* with a measly 28% KO's. Jackson never beat a winning fighter. It only took *0:34** seconds* for Jackson to be KO'd in his first fight, and *1:28* in his last fight. The less said about *"The-Bum"* the better.
If you build it, they will come! You didn't build anything, though you sure threw a load!
After 2 months, we find out, luckily, that there are only 13 of your ilk, in 2500. That the odds of missing one like you, much better. Hopefully, for their sakes, you didn't reproduce.
Yeah, but what you’re saying is absolute bunking.
Bunkum
@@donhill7239 Wrong. What I'm saying is truthful facts. How can anyone be upset with the honest fact's???
Why all these put downs of Jersey Joe? He might have been 38, but he was the heavyweight champion. How bad could he have been? Charles was the champion immediately before Joe, and Archie Moore was the light heavy champion. All the great champions fought their share of pasties, but they also fought the best in their weight class, and Rocky was no exception.
thomas buchanan I think jersey joe was a great boxer he should of beat rocky but rocky was tuff kepted coming it just takes that one perfect punch and rocky deliverd it that's boxing rocky became champ that night jersey joe was a tuff sob great boxer
I agree, thats how boxing is the legends get old and new champions arise and make their name beating them. Then they become old legends and the cycle continues.
@@j2oorange Jersey joe was in tip top shape, very experienced and strong as a bull. Respect to both guys.
Truth, Jersey Joe knocked him down in round one and bloodied his head up. Can't exactly say he was an unworthy opponent if he put up that kind of a fight.
People are ignorant. Jersey Joe, along with Ezzard Charles were two of the greatest heavyweights to ever step in the ring.
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky?
This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
EXPLAIN HOW LITTLE 185 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 5 HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023?
Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,, imagine that?
"AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Algorithms don't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0.. That's why all Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
Just like you speculateers would bet on the 130# Wolf over 50# Wolverine....and you'd lose watching the wolf become Wolverine scat...OR... bet on the bigger Jackal over a Honeybadger and be wrong again...lol
Rocky was like them and trained to be that tuff...!
It only takes one good hit and if you watch Rocky carefully he patiently waits for that split second opening to appear while he nonstop pummels away...!
One can notice Tyson once rocked good gets scared which is why he goes in with both guns blazing unless someone clocks him enuff his reaction and fearfulness is apparent where Rocky just keeps coming and fights close on the inside where the bigger longer reached fighters are useless and kept off guard and he never lets up- Esp never ending liver & rib shots you can hear and sêê the reverb effects...!
So - to each his own opinion...!
It's not the ranking system's fault that you are stupid. Boxers are ranked compared to their competition of the time. 70 years ago boxers didn't have human growth hormone, steroids and other drugs that improve performance. The very same Rocky born today (or any fighter of his era) would have been taller and stronger, if only from better nutrition of the modern age. Now go back to your mom's basement and play your video games.
THE 3 BIGGER OPPONENTS little MARCIANO FOUGHT:
254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had 4 wins 3 losses, all against smaller opponents.
229 lb Bill "Soccer-ball" Wilson lost (27) times, all against smaller opponents.
220 lb Johnny "Tooth-pick" Shkor lost (19) times, all against smaller opponents.
And this is why we 'NEVER' hear about any of Marciano's 'bigger' opponents as they were D and F-level undercard boxers being paid with room-n-board to pad records.
Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, *"Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son."* -- which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ???
*"After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police."* --Wiki
*"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --International Boxing Hall Of Fame
*And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.*
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
90% of little white opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.
"In the ring, i never really knew fear." - Rocky Marciano
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
MARCIANO=PERFECTION!
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
"Rocky would often take a nap in the dressing room before a big fight. The kid had ice water in his veins." -- Rocky's manager Charlie Goldman
"I have always adhered to two principles. The first one is to train hard and get in the best possible physical condition. The second is to forget all about the other fellow until you face him in the ring and the bell sounds for the fight." -- Rocky Marciano
If he would have..he never would have been undefeated...
"Why waltz with a guy for 10 rounds if you can knock him out in one?" - Rocky Marciano
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
One of the most underrated heavyweight championship bouts.
It’s pretty iconic actually
Liston expert, Paul Gallender, has solved the five major mysteries surrounding The Bear in his 2012 biography, 'Sonny Liston - The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights'. The author's 40+ years of research provide boxing fans with definitive answers to the five most asked questions about The Bear’s life and career:
1) When was Sonny born?
2) Was he murdered? If so, who did it, how, and why?
3) Was the Liston/Clay fight on the level?
4) Why did Sonny throw the Ali fight?
5) Was Sonny Liston as bad a person as the media said he was?
The short answers are:
1) 1919 or earlier.
2) Yes, by mobsters, with a heroin overdose, because he didn’t throw the Wepner fight.
3) Yes. Footage from the event shows Ali in the ring asking his entourage, 'Did I hit him?' . Ali also told Nation of Islam minister Abdul Rahman that Liston 'laid down'.
4) So his wife and son wouldn’t be killed.
5) No. Sonny was a good man.
Liston, the son of a tenant farmer, served two long terms in prison, where he is said to have learned to box. Although he gave his birth year as 1932, there is evidence that he might have begun his ring career as early as 1934, at the age of 17, under the name of Charles (“Sailor”) Liston. If that is true, he was 45 years old when he won the championship. -- Encyclopedia Britannica
"That he fought in 1934 is no secret - even the Encyclopedia Britannica acknowledges it." -- Paul Gallender
His sister, who he was extremely close to, and who remembered his birth - he was much younger than she was - said he was born the year after the Great War (WW1). Which would have made him 44 when he fought Ali the first time.
watch this vid/documentary --(According To Gallender Sonny Liston Was 44 Yrs Old When He Fought Ali) --from Retro Boxing & Documentaries
44 Marciano opponents: We see their *entire-CAREER* record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers *complete resume* gives a more *accurate* evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can *easily* be *evaluated* using US school grades *A, B, C, D, and F.*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good *B-LEVEL* resume. Problem is *he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?*
Even Marciano's *best 3 opponents Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times.* Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. *Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat?* Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. *Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?*
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*WAY TOO MANY HOMELESS WALK-IN F-LEVEL BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR EASY $$$ OR BEING FORCED TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM*
*THEY DIDN'T LITERALLY CONTROL HIM BUT THEY DID TAKE 60% OF ALL HIS EARNINGS AND VERY CAREFULLY PADDED HIS RECORD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE*
The *entire* eastern seaboard was *Italian,* it was *all Italian.* Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's *mafioso manager* and *matchmaker* at the Garden *took* 50% and *all ticket sales* which pushed it closer to *60%.* Marciano had *no choice* but to *comply* or *no contract.*
Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. *Italian* Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, *they needed* something *new.* Access to the machinery of *boxing,* a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. *Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.*
*They controlled it all,* from the *trainers* and *managers* to the reporting *journalists,* with a combination of *intimidation* and financial backing ensuring *everybody* the mob *wanted* was under *their control.*
*THE DAY AFTER RETIREMENT HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS*
Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach.
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS
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Combined, Walcott Charles Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Had little Rocky never existed nobody would even be talkin bout Walcott Charles Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott Charles Moore otherwise they would never denigrate and belittle other black fighters such as Ali Liston Holmes Tyson Wilder. I've studied Marciano extensively for one year and it just dawned on me that is exactly what's happening. Rocky fans always besmirch black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott Charles Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston Holmes Tyson, yet pure Love for Walcott Charles Moore.
Sounds like somebody got a some hate going on for "LITTLE" Rocky.. the Rock did exist, 40 times undefeated and had to retire cause nobody NOBODY on the up and coming would fight him. Little Rocky hurt fighters when it got down to blood and grid he came alive. Nobody wanted a lose, nobody wanted thier fighter hurt. That's a fact.
Not totally true. I am an ITALIAN AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVED MARCIANO, I LOVED TYSON IN HIS PRIME, HOLYFIELD, WALCOTT AND LISTON AND LOUIS. BUT I COULDNT STAND CASIOUS CLAY AND HOMES BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK..
Is Walcott Charles Moore joe Wolcatta or Archie moore?
@@aldonelson5757 Yes. Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore. Two were light heavyweights masquerading and moonlighting as Heavyweights. And Jersey Joe was Cruiserweight. Compared to today's Super Heavyweights they're tiny.
@@snickersberet4792 Incorrect. You don't know what your talking about. Little Rocky ducked many fighters and Quit bcz he was "embarrassed of losing." That's what his younger brother Peter said. Truth hurts. That's a fact!
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles only weighed 181 pounds when he won his 'vacant' Super Heavyweight title against cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott in 1949. Exactly two years later Charles weighed a massive 182 pounds when he lost his Super Heavyweight title to you guessed it, 194 pound Journeyman Joe again. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott Loss!!!
So how the heck did Walcott get 6 attempts at the Heavyweight Championship? Because the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was nonexistent and he was the closest to being a genuine Heavyweight. The 200+lb Heavyweights that did exist (Jackson, Wilson, Shkor) were D and F-level boxers. 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had a career 4 wins 3 losses (F-level). 230 lb Bill Wilson had a career 40 wins 20 losses (F-level) and an abysmal 30% KOs. 220 lb Johnny Shkor had a career 50 wins 20 losses and an abysmal 40% KOs.
Journeyman Joe was C-level at best. Overall he Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times. Walcott's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles, Light heavyweight Joey Maxim and Light heavyweight Harold Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Maxim Lost (29) times. Light heavyweight Johnson Lost (11) times and was KO'd (5) times. Light heavyweight Archie Moore Lost (23) times was and KOd (7) times. Would it have been ok if Marciano Lost (25) times and was KTFO (7) times? Of course not. If little Marciano had so much as a 'Draw', he wouldn't even be ranked top 20.
Lennox constantly catches heck for being KO'd twice. Liston constantly catches heck for losing to Light heavyweight Marty Marshall early in his career. Yet it's perfectly fine for Charles, Walcott and Moore to be KOd 20 times combined and lose 68 times.
Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott were heavyweight champions.
Best conditioned fighter who ever lived...great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...put The Rock in with anyone!
Zhang weighs - 285
Bakole - 285
Joyce - 280
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Parker - 250
Foreman - 250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Anderson - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
*Moore - 175 lb LH champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb HW champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb HW champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Heavyweight was only 175 lbs back then. Moore & Charles best years were at MW (147 to 160) and LH (160 to 175). Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. He never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at MW. Marciano fought between 178 and 188 over 40 times and was 'Never' weight drained!!
*If size don't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since little Rocky's little era 4 generations ago?*
A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early 30s that still had his reflexes fully intact.
The decathlon is the ultimate and/or best test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World Champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were undoubtedly past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason.
Those 4 Hall of Famers Marciano faced were not prime when they fought him, it's scientifically and mathematically impossible when evaluating their careers. They already had 409 (68 68 95 178) pro fights and that doesn't include Louis' 96 fights he had before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service.
Had Charles Moore Walcott Louis never fought little Rocky they'd still be entered into the Hall of Fame for what they accomplished *BEFORE* they fought him.
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought him?
Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano?
This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
EXPLAIN HOW 184 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 7TH PLACE DURING THE 60s AND 70s TO TOP 4 SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024?
Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES,, imagine that?
'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles/Moore were light heavyweights and Joe Louis's reflexes were completely shot. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 washed Hall of Famers and went 49-0. And that's exactly why the little 184 lb cruiser is ranked ahead of dozens of topnotch genuine Super Heavyweights!
@@Bobby.D.1776 All the fighters were smaller overall back then.
@@Bobby.D.1776…question…do you think Rock got our while the getting was good, knowing he’d have to fight Patterson, Ingemar, and possibly Liston?
In 1962 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s.
Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.*
Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future.
In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing.
Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate.
Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.”
In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.”
Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.
Great comment and information.
Whewwwwww! That's a lot of talk , however no matter who Rocky could beat or could have beat . The fact remains he was NEVER beaten. Joe Walcott was great fighter ,but just couldn't stand the pressure of the smaller man !
Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 21 opponents (not in order).
Bobo Olson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Clinton Bacon 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Harold Johnson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Harold Johnson (twice) 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim (twice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim (thrice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Sonny Andrews 177 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Jimmy Slade 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Bob Dunlap 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Clarence Henry 184 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Toxie Hall 188 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career record 22 wins 32 losses (F-level) with (two) 2% KOs
Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses (F-level) with an abysmal 24% KOs
Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 25% KOs
Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 29% KOs
Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses (D-level) with a low-power 51% KOs
Nino Valdes 209 lbs (twice)
Two hundred seventy seven pounds of undefeated destruction. Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and flummox him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. Rocky ain't gettin the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins! Anyway he chooses!
Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm just so grateful i get to see it in my lifetime. Transport Fury back to that little 1950s cruiserweight era and 'The King' woulda went 149-0 with 100% KO's!
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NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION🥊
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again
BoxRec has officially listed these Rocky Marciano opponents as middleweights and light heavyweights:
Eddie Ross - division "Middleweight"
Harry Bilazarian - division "Middleweight"
Ezzard Charles - division "Light heavy"
Archie Moore - division "Light heavy"
Harry Matthews - division "Light heavy"
Harry Haft - division "Light heavy"
Ted Lowry - division "Light heavy"
Willis Applegate - division "Light heavy"
Bob Jefferson - division "Light heavy"
Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Did the Klitschko brothers have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Does King Fury have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights?
Marciano's extra-small era was a huge contributing factor towards the "cruiserweight" division being created. There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers.
Little Rocky was only 31 when he up-n "QUIT" during his prime. He only fought a measly 7 years while everyone else was fightin 20 years!!! Many heavyweights coulda retired undefeated if they'd-a "QUIT" after only 7 years!!! Had he kept fightin he woulda faced the likes of Patterson, Machen, Johansson, Folley, Liston, Jones, Clay, Terrell, Cleveland and Chuvalo just to name a few.
What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech and his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." That's not True. It was all a lie. He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless--@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Sonny had an-albatross 84 inch reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67 inch reach. A 17 inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano.
Foreman probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back up and revert to boxing. Watch the footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to little Marciano.
No fighter on the planet would have beat Jersey Joe that night except Rocky Marciano. Joe fought great that night. Rocky was indestructible!
*Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion.
The caliber of opponents is most important in evaluating greatness. Tommy Morrison and Roy Jones, for example, looked great against lesser opponents but pitted against the top men of their class, their shortcomings in other assets were exposed and their ability was offset by other attributes that better opponents of theirs possessed. Marciano was never so tested because his level of competition was so weak.
You only say that because Rocky was white. Just go ahead and admit it. He NEVER lost a fight, unlike that loud mouth, draft dodging, Muslim, who lost 5 times, and ABSOLUTELY should have 10-11 losses on his record if not for massive Mafia corruption. No, I don't think Marciano would've beat Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis, Wladimir, or Tyson Fury. But I absolutely believe, with every fiber in my body, Marciano would've beat Ali, the most overrated athlete, along with Derek Jeter, (and I am a diehard Yankees fan), rather easily. People who parrot Ali's big, obnoxious, loud mouth, that claims he was "The Greatest", are truly stupid, and gullible, human beings. All of those idiots, probably think that In-N-Out Barf Burgers are the "greatest" hamburgers of all time, which is even more insulting than hearing how great the Draft Dodger was. 🤢🤮🤢🤮
If you had watched this fight closely you'd have seen what a tremendous fighter Walcot was.
He proved that Marciano had to be a great fighter because it took a great fighter to beat Walcot.
BOGUS STUDY
@@freddyfurrah3789 Of course it is. Bcz Marciano fans dislike Truth
@@freddyfurrah3789 What a boxer was ranked is no study. It's facts. How did he go from being ranked 10th throughout the 1960s and 1970s to 4th Greatest Heavyweight in 2024. $$$$, that's how!
The International Boxing Club Of New York was the dominant promotional power in boxing. It controlled the sport at Madison Square Garden and other major arenas. It had contracts for regularly-scheduled fights on the emerging medium of television. And it had links to organized crime; most notably through Frankie Carbo.
“Carbo,” Russell Sullivan explains, “established a well-organized centralized system of control over boxing. The system featured scores of managers who operated as front men for Carbo. Once a promising fighter arrived on the scene, one of Carbo’s managers would muscle in on his ownership. Fear and violence were the linchpins of Carbo’s system and the bedrock of his power. Directly or indirectly, he controlled scores of judges, officials, managers, promoters, and fighters. His power became such that no big match was made or title awarded without his acquiescence.”
It's interesting how people who experienced watching Marciano in real time don't hold him in the same high regard as folks later on in spite the multitude of great fighters who came on the scene after he quit (Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's, etc.). There's a lot of mythology with Marciano and a lot of selective memory about his career. He was brilliantly managed to preserve his undefeated record.
But the reality is heart and determination can only get you so far when you're sorely lacking in the physical tools the other greats have. Americans love to glamorize the underdog who gets it done in spite of their limitation, just look at the success of Stallone and his Rocky movie franchise, the movie Rudy, Hoosiers, etc.
It is also interesting how the same people who want to consider Rocky the greatest Heavyweight because he was undefeated are reluctant to consider Mayweather the greatest pound for pound. Why is that? It's just flat lazy to look at 49-0 and conclude that he must be the best ever. Based on that, then you MUST consider Floyd Mayweather the greatest pound for pound fighter of all-time since he's 50-0,, right?
What do you mean he was managed to preserve his record? This man didn't cherry pick his fights like Mayweather, force favorable catch weights, sign to fight somebody then chicken out like Floyd did with Winky Wright. He fought the best fighters available: Of his six title defenses, 5 of them were against the #1, or top available contender, and the sixth was against the #2 contender who had just beaten the #1 contender in a title elimination bout. I've read a lot of boxing history and the statements you're making aren't agreed with by guys like Emanuel Steward, Red Smith, Don Turner and I could go on. I'm going to venture a guess they know a hell of a lot more about boxing than you. Personally I consider GOAT arguments silly and I certainly wouldn't say Marciano is the greatest heavyweight ever, though he deserves to be in the conversation. But you're denigrating a guy that lived and trained like a warrior monk the entire time he was in the fight game and that's just wrong. Let me correct that: Ignorant and wrong.
@@baronvonraschke77 Mayweather was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 2010s by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA), a two-time winner of The Ring magazine's Fighter of the Year award (1998 and 2007), a three-time winner of the BWAA Fighter of the Year award (2007, 2013, and 2015), and a six-time winner of the Best Fighter ESPY Award (2007-2010, 2012-2014). In 2016, ESPN ranked him the greatest boxer, pound for pound, of the last 25 years. As of May 2021, BoxRec ranks him the greatest boxer of all time, pound for pound. Many sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BoxRec, Fox Sports, and Yahoo! Sports, ranked Mayweather as the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world twice in a span of ten years.
Since the existence of CompuBox, Mayweather is the most accurate puncher among professional boxers, having the highest plus-minus ratio in recorded boxing history. He has a record of 26 consecutive wins in world title fights (10 by KO), 23 wins (9 KOs) in lineal title fights, 24 wins (7 KOs) against former or current world titlists, 12 wins (3 KOs) against former or current lineal champions, and 5 wins (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees. He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the class of 2021.
Mayweather topped the Forbes and Sports Illustrated lists of the 50 highest-paid athletes of 2012 and 2013, and the Forbes list again in both 2014 and 2015, as the highest-paid athlete in the world. In 2006, he founded his own boxing promotional firm, Mayweather Promotions, after leaving Bob Arum's Top Rank. He has generated approximately 24 million PPV buys and $1.67 billion in revenue throughout his career, surpassing the likes of former top PPV attractions including Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis and Oscar De La Hoya. In 2018, he was the highest-paid athlete in the world, with total earnings, including endorsements, of $285 million, according to Forbes. In November, 2021, Sportico released an all-time athlete earnings list, in which Mayweather ranked no. 6 of all time, totaling an inflation-adjusted $1.2 billion in his career.
@@baronvonraschke77 Out of all the boxers in history *why* is little Marciano the *only-one* that must be defended through *QUOTES???* Quote after quote after endless quotes. Cuz y'all can't defend him with-is *resume alone!!!*
*Quotes are spec·u·la·tion /ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun, and speculation is the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.. Similar: opinion, hypothesize, guess, surmise, notion, prediction, forecast, gamble, venture, risk.*
Just cuz Muhammad Ali said, "Marciano *"Might"* have beaten me," does that make it true?? "Might" does not mean would have. It means maybe or possibly. *Ali was showing respect...Or like how you would say about a kids punch...Whew that little boy can knock me out...ooo he hits hard*
Holmes said, *"Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap,"* does that make it true??
Funniest Quote is Don Turner saying, *"Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time."* Who actually believes that?? Think, people. Think. He also said, *"Marciano would KO Wladimir with the first punch he landed,"* and *"The Klitschko's couldn't punch down."* Don's opinions change like the wind.
Foreman recently listed his own top-10 greatest Heavyweights of all time yet he didn't even include himself. Why?? Bcz it's called being humble, showing ones respects, or creating an image.
Ali's famous speech directly after he KO'd Foreman:
*"EVERYBODY STOP TALKING NOW"*
*"I TOLD Y'ALL I WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"*
*"I TOLD Y'ALL I'M STILL THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"*
[ Does that sound lik' Ali is conceding to little dwarfism-arms? ]
Find *"ONE"* professional boxer, manager, boxing historian or trainer that has little Rocky ranked higher than the cultural phenomenon Muhammad Ali.
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Muhammad Ali bcz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Lennox Lewis bcz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Larry Holmes bcz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Wladimir Klitschko bcz his *resume speaks for itself.*
On the other hand little Rocky's resume needs *serious help* bcz it's horrendous,, *hence all the futile Quotes to protect him!*
@@baronvonraschke77 Don Turner said, *"Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Marciano??? Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Lewis and Wladimir as the hardest punchers. 84yr old Don Turner is entitled to his opinion just as George Foreman has his opinion. Earnie Shavers also has an opinion just as Ron Lyle and Riddick Bowe have theirs.
*Why wasn't trainer Don Turner out there looking for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies??? Instead he chose 6' 7" 250-lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!!! Think, people. Think.*
Marciano had his last fight in New York 1955. Turner was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!!!*
Turner said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." Turner explains how Charles and Marciano were always his favorites @ A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74.
Here's some of the top rated trainers of all time;
Cus D' Amato
Eddie Futch
Freddie Roach
Ignacio "Nacho"
Beristain
Lou Duva
Emanuel Steward
Angelo Dundee
Jack Blackburn
Teddy Atlas
Roger Mayweather
Gil Clancy
Ray Arcel
BUT NO DON.. WON'T SEE DON TURNER ANYWHERE!!!!
Vitali fans, Wladimir fans, Fury fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans, Frazier fans, Lewis fans, Holmes fans, Tyson fans, Bowe fans, Ibeabuchi fans *NEVER* discuss Don Turner,, only Rocky fanboys ever discuss Turner's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth.
Don lost all credibility when he convinced Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing." Needless to say the lack of a cutman was the determining factor that cost Holyfield the Heavyweight championship against Michael Moorer.
Evander Holyfield fired him. Michael Grant fired him. Everyone gave Don the-boot. Fighters only worked with him as a last resort. Emanuel Steward and other trainers despised him.
Turner also said, "Charles was never the same after his first fight with Marciano." *That is 100% False!!!* He was never the same after all his wars with Walcott, Moore, Maxim, Valdez, Johnson, Bivins, etcetera. Ezzard Charles was already showing symptoms of ALS before he ever faced Marciano -@- William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life
@@Stout_Krout You seem obsessed to denigrate Marciano for no clear reason and want to drag Mayweather into the conversation. The two are unrelated. I never said Mayweather wasn't a great fighter btw. At any rate, most top 10 heavyweight champion lists I've seen have Marciano on them, deservedly so in my opinion. The man was an over achiever and his career should be respected, not run down by the likes of you, a keyboard warrior. It's as simple as that.
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
He was barely 6 1.
Sonny sure had a long career. First fight was in 1953 when Marciano was champ.
People think liston disappeared after the Ali loss. But he won nine fights in a row afterwards before his shocking loss to leotis Martin
Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury would destroy Rocky within 3 rounds...Stop playing..
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NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
Jack Dempsey defeated Jess Willard.
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. He wasn't even close to being elite. Jess was clumsy and terrible boxer.
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion. Joe Louis defeated Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer who were large heavyweight boxers. The sport is boxing not weight lifting or USA football.
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was only champion bcz Jack Johnson took a dive. Primo was daily alcoholic and 100% controlled.
@@michaelmettry6120 little Marciano is NOT going to beat a prime Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko or Ike Ibeabuchi etcetera
We just watched two of the best fighters in the world! And one Rocky Marciano the number one pound for pound undisputed undefeated champion of the world! Undefeated till this day undefeated forever. No question or arguing Rocky Marciano goes down as the best to ever lace up the gloves. 👑
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Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?
One of the best ever, for sure
ROCKY ONLY HAD SIX TITLE DEFENSES,...GTFOH...
@@aarondigby9859 I think it should go by losses. Ali lost 5 fights. Lost the title. Rocky never lost. He's the greatest of all time.
Yeah it's a pretty safe bet he'll remain undefeated forever
I am glad things like this will be archived hopefully someday. Along with the fight you get to see a young George Benton and not so young ,but not old Jimmy Bivins, Sugar Ray Robinson with the other fighters, good stuff. Thank You.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
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Many believe that Marciano actually did lose to LaStarza in their first fight but got a gift decision. Those who watched at the time like Jesse Abramson, boxing writer for the New York Daily Herald called it a “paper thin and exceedingly odd decision.” And it was “universally condemned around ringside as a miscarriage of justice”, according to many other newspaper reports. Even 50 years later LaStarza was quoted maintaining that he “won that fight,” In the New York Herald Tribune, LaStarza said, “The fact is his manager Al Weill was matchmaker for the Garden. I would say that had a lot to do with the decision.” The scoring for the bout was 5-4, 4-5, and 5-5, but LaStarza lost on a rigged supplemental point system used by New York and Massachusetts at that time.
It’s what happened after the first LaStarza fight that really blemished Marciano’s career by taking a major step back in competition. Rocky’s handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat. His next opponent was Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Many viewed it at the time as essentially a bounceback or a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was Tiger Ted Lowry who had a career record of 60-54-9, who was one of few who went the distance with Marciano. Arguably, Marciano was picking and choosing his fights his entire career. -- by Betting Bruiser | mmaoddsbreaker