Joe Walcott was a great fighter. He hit like a mule kick and could take a hard punches and combinations with barely any effect, then keep on fighting like nothing hit him at all. In boxing history, he is under rated, and if he were fighting today, would beat most, and perhaps all Heavy weight opponents. ROCKY MARCIANO, well, one of a kind. Incredible endurance, as fresh in the last round, as in the first. Exceedingly aggressive, tenacious and very strong He could take the hardest punches thrown at him and keep fighting as if he didn't get hit at all. Marciano was one of the hardest punchers in history. If we are talking pound for pound, I would say he is the hardest puncher. I'm almost certain, if fighting today, or any time in history he would beat any Heavy weight, why you may ask... Style. As George Foreman has said: "Marciano was right at your chest, the minute the bell rang." He gave fighters with longer arms no room to box and set him up. In the words of Muhammad Ali: “Marciano hit harder than Joe Frazer." and continued by saying: " No other fighter in history could take a beating like Marciano,' with his nose split in two and partially hanging off, and continue fighting, knocking out his opponent. You have to be born that way, it can’t be taught or learned in the gym.”’
empirical43 a few words to that pile of garbage Ted lowery ,Colley Wallace, and the host of young youthful fighters he ducked and avoid who wouldn't stand for any bollocks and who wouldn't take any shit from. Anyone .
Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
"I have always adhered to two principles. The first one is to train hard and get in the best possible physical condition. The second is to forget all about the other fellow until you face him in the ring and the bell sounds for the fight." -- Rocky Marciano
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
What a fascinating fight. Walcott looks like the best of our modern fighters... size, power, physique and skills. Marciano is a total anomaly. He's small(184 pounds), and very unorthodox. Yet he's always stalking, and relentless. He has dynamite in both hands. What a devastating KO.
You're very true I boxed a long time and not much has changed from the 1910s 1908 until Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali course did the road to go he also pulled you in and pulled you down where you out hold on your neck these old fights are really good
This fight was the first time I ever saw television! I was in the first grade, and a friend of my Dad had a television set...the only one in town! Thanks for reviving my memories!
Joe Walcott was an awesome fighter.. He was just too damn old in this fight. Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily. To be fair, Joe was smart enough to know Rocky wasn't hurt after that 1st round Knock down and took a longer approach to the bout. He was going for a points decision, and he was ahead on all 3 scorecards into the 13th round. I'd say if Rocky hadn't fooled him so expertly in that final exchange, had they not been throwing at the same time, Walcott would've retained the belt. Rocky said "that night I thought Joe was the greatest boxer in the world!" He said he learned a lot from it.
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano *IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:* *TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN* *BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.* *OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD* *THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET* *OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!* *EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS* *CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM* *BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.* *THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY* *ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT* *WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED* *HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.* *CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT* *CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!* *IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
*By the 1950s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers around the world were trying to get their hands on some. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s and by the 1950s they were prolific* 💊🤢💉 *To think millionaire Marciano was drug free is ludacris. During his time Marciano was the most popular athlete in America and he had Best Physicians helping him!!!* 💊💊💊🤢💉💉💉
Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%. Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%. Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
I’m going on 87 years old and remember watching this fight through a furniture store window. The store would turn on a black and white TV, and turn it toward the storefront window. Always liked the Saturday Night Fights. I was around 15 years old.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
@@Samantha_Lavery_Medici Other fighters had more finesse. But none of them during the Rock's era were better conditioned, could hit as hard or had as much heart and desire to win. That's why he went undefeated during his reign as heavyweight champion. Had he not retired in 1956, he would have run into such up and comers as Floyd Patterson, Ingmar Johansen and maybe Sonny Liston. It's anyone's guess who would have come out on top in those matches.
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
@@Jabbing_Jack I think you are being a little hard on Marciano. That first fight with Walcott required the heart of a lion to win. Walcott was punishing Marciano badly but Marciano never quit. Most fighters would have laid down and taken the lose. That fight and the fight with Charles, where Marciano's nose was split, tells me all I need to know about the guy. He wasn't a quitter. He was smart enough to quit while he was ahead and still have a fully functioning brain.
@@Jabbing_Jack You sound like a leftist with your little hate spat. You got the point accrues you hate the fact Rocky Marciano was the only undefeated heavy weight champion of the world and a Sonny Liston fan but hey you can't change real history as much as you people like to think so. Here is a little fun fact, Rocky never ducked anybody ever and beat their ass equally regardless of race, creed or color and here is another little fun fact, it took his wife to talk him out of boxing or he would have ran that record up even more. He was a equal opportunity ass kicker. Deal with it.
@@Jabbing_Jack here you are you black racist troll doing everything you can to troll rocky. You just can't stand that rocky beat up your black idols and retired undeafeated.
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
Imagine the pain the next day after being involved in this onslaught, what a fight, your average man is down and out after one of them body slugs. Brilliant classic fight, cheers for the upload, it should remain on TH-cam forever. 👍
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset. Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning. In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night. He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted. He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag. He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds). He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else. Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour. And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar. Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds. No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion. There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp. Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.” And he wasn’t. Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply: “Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.” And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
Rocky was a relentless , swarming, bludgeoning type of fighter, who simply outfought, outpunched and outlasted everyone he stepped into the ring with. Tremendous will and stamina, and raw bonecrunching power made him formidable , you just couldn't discourage him in his obsessed craving to win at all costs.......A really tough fighter.......and a great unbeaten champ
Rocky only had six title defenses, in my opinion you should have a minimum of ten/twelve title defenses to be considered an all time great. IJS..they have minimum at bats and minimum innings pitched in baseball, minimum games played, minimum pass attempts in football, IJS.
What a classic, appreciate the upload. Interesting that both had a sort of broken rhythm that made them hard to hit cleanly, even without much footwork compared to some others, but both were also powerful and accurate punchers, so they connected heavy and often. Marciano's defense was very underrated, with lots of erratic head movement. And if one went for his body, he'd catch them with his own sledgehammer blows. Jersey Joe was in great shape, too, certainly not looking "over the hill". Exceptional boxing skills on display, but Rocky managed to get that sledgehammer to connect cleanly and that's all she wrote. Two of the greatest ever to enter the ring.
Not over the hill, but likely didn’t have the cardio or chin a man with less mileage would have had. I wonder how this fight would have gone ten years earlier when Walcott had more of his body to sacrifice.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
@@Sara_Sky_Sutton Lack of glamor and timing. Props to him for having hung up the gloves before the sport and training took too great a toll, so unfortunate to be taken by a freak accident.
"A perfect record does not mean that someone is the greatest. Rocky Marciano never lost a fight, but I never hear anyone say he's the greatest Heavyweight champion of all time." - Authored by: Steve Sabol Sabol was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2011 as a contributor due to his works with NFL Films. While NFL Films has won over 100 Emmys, Sabol himself has received 35 of those Emmys for writing, cinematography, editing, directing, and producing. No one else in all of television has earned as many Emmys in as many different categories. He was also a boxing scholar/historian.
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime. 40yr old cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was already fighting pro when little Rocky was only 7yrs old! *Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease in 1951. *Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the little 189 lb cruiser. Exactly 95% of Moore's 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruisers. *Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.* Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky quit bcz he was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. I have the source. *If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, and his trainers (Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera, Bill Gore) said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
In the 11th and 12th rounds , Rocky and his brother even admitted that Walcott beat him up so badly that they were unsure if Rocky could continue the fight after each of those rounds. 12th round especially into the mid point of 13th, Joe looked like he was about to finish it. Had Walcott been 25 to 30 yrs old instead of 40, he definitely would have finished it.
@@Bobby.D.1776get out of the past and stop making excuses for yourself🐸🍿any jackass knows why boxing lost it's audience ? Any one of those 50 people would have bitch slapped you or me!
@@Bobby.D.1776Indeed! Long before the ALS, Ezzard had killed Sam Baroudi inside the ring in 1948 and he lost his killer instinct after that. Obviously prime Louis from 1938-1944 , would've destroyed Rocky and prime Charles would've beaten Marciano too Walcott and Moore never would've beaten Marciano and the only reason that Walcott was dominating in their first Title Fight was because Rocky was blinded for 4 rounds . All of the top young Heavyweights like Valdes, Baker Henry, Jackson, Walls and Buccerino never got a shot at the Title. Rocky was smart to retire on top at 32 years of age. He wasn't brain damaged like Louis Charles, Ali, Frazier, etc.
My God! These guys are incredible. Just one of those body shots by the Rock to the average man would have broken all their ribs 3 x over! And Joe keeps on fighting? How? True champions both!
Walcott was an all time great fighter who probably beats any heavyweight in history on that night. His movement, agility, punching power and guile would be a nightmare for any heavyweight in history. I believe this was his greatest performance. He just went up against the most relentless and determined heavyweight in history. The Marciano right hand bomb that ended the fight was so monstrous that it sounded like a thunder clap. According to ringside observers, women and children ran toward the exit signs of Municipal stadium crying because they thought Walcott was dead.
@studentofsweetscience I agree that Walcott might have thought that Marciano was not on his level but I think he knew he had to hold his ground and get Marciano's respect, especially early in the fight. Also, it would be very hard for somebody to move for 15 rounds without running out of gas. Marciano actually got stronger as the fight went on. His conditioning and belief in his strength were unbelievable. Walcott was incredibly slick but also tough and powerful in his own right.Some of the exchanges they had in the middle rounds were ferocious. Neither fighter had any fear of the other. The lead left hook that dropped Marciano early was a great shot . Walcott starched the great Ezzard Charles with a similar punch. It seemed like once Marciano got warmed up he became almost indestructible, because Walcott hit him with much harder shots later in the fight and Marciano didn't blink. This was no doubt a great fight between 2 truly great fighters.
@studentofsweetscience I had Walcott winning the Joe Louis fight as most people did, however Marciano was a pure pressure fighter where Louis was a stand up boxer. Walcott was able to rest in spaces throughout the Louis fight. Marciano forced the pace by constantly coming forward. No doubt Walcott was in tremendous shape and didn't really slow down much in the Marciano fight. He just got caught on the chin by one of the great shots in ring history. Jersey Joe Walcott's courage might have cost him the championship. Right before the knockout shot, Walcott backed up to the ropes trying to make Marciano walk into a shot. Marciano shuffled forward and threw a range finding jab that was not intended to land but to measure Walcott. The jab also turned his shoulders , putting Marciano into perfect position to launch the right hand with full leverage. They both threw right hands at the same time. Marciano started his right slightly before Walcott started his and the rest is history. I had Walcott ahead on points but the tide was turning. In the middle and especially the late rounds Walcott started to realize that he couldn't knockout Marciano which is why he started to box and move a lot more. I thought Walcott fought an almost perfect fight but that one mistake cost him the title. If you look closely, after Walcott landed the great left hook that dropped Rocky in the first round, Marciano got up on steady legs and went right at Walcott and won the rest of that round. The fact that Marciano was able to recover so quickly from a knockout shot like that is one of the reasons he was so hard to beat.
So much respect for ALL these greats. Warriors, Gladiators, MEN. Never hate on any man that’s willing to get in the ring. They are scared, yet they are feared. What a great fight! Beautiful fight between two beautiful champions.
♦️How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter. Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula. Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges. Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!! Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...a beast in the ring...and class outside of it...put The Rock in with anyone!
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan "One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston "Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis "The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali "My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield "Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier "Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles "Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott "Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore "Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer "Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali "Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza "One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman If that is not respect, I don't know what is
this was the greatest effort of walcott's career, he fought like a man possessed, not wanting to give up the belt. and ironically he engaged in a slugfest with Marciano despite the fact that he was a slick boxer. one of the best fights ive ever seen. these guys were throwing haymakers from the opening bell. Marciano was the greatest late round fighter that ever lived.
The most overlooked and underrated aspect of Marcianos game was that he was really difficult to keep at the end of your punches and land the jab on. His overall defense wasn’t anything special but his jab defense in particular was really good, he rarely got hit with jabs as a contender to champion
yeah but jersey joe got knocked out in the rematch in the 1st round because he remembered the 13th round shot that crippled him and he could have gotten up but didn't want to take another shot from old rocky
Jersey Joe Walcott was 38 in this fight and Rocky 29! That is quite a big age gap. That's why Rocky is not rated as the greatest, he did fight a lot of older fighters, Joe Loius and Archie Moore, etc! Rocky also had big gaps between fighting to keep himself strong! Yes he had huge punching power, but i don't he could have handled Joe Frazier let alone ALI! Ezzard Charles spit his nose in their first fight, ALI would have cut his face to ribbons and the fight would have been stopped! ALI beat Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman! Rocky never fought men of that caliber, except Ezzard!
Incredible fight. Everyone remembers the KO at the ending, but I (having to seen it in a few years) forgot what an incredible brawl it was before the 13th. New respect for both men. Two of my favorite heavys. Anyway I scored it 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, and 12 for Walcott Marciano won 3, 5, 9, and 10. He definitely needed that KO to win.
Well there were 3 more rds to go so who knows what the cards would said aside what a fight guts and glory...and to think the gloves were a hellva thinner than today's gloves. Rocky took a beating but gave as good as he got
@@robertwilkinson5971 As I understand it, gloves are to protect hands, not heads. Maybe in totality more padding allows more hard punches to be thrown? And it looks like Rocky gave slightly better than he got...
I did the same, I think I rewatched that knock out punch 8 or 10 times, it didn’t even look like it was much, but when you saw Joe Walcott’s head jerk back and to the right, you knew that was a super powerful right hand, so fast, and the left that followed didn’t help Joe much either, what a fight, modern day gladiators for their time, these men made boxing exciting, The Rock always was, and still is one of my all time favorites to this day.
I totally agree. I know for a fact that the hand is quicker than the eye and the camera too, but man at 56:33 I played that video over and over again and never could see Rocky's glove actually contact Walcott's head. I honestly could not swear that I actually saw that punch connect. This is not the first time I saw a quicker than the eye punch though. But most of the time I can stop the film and see the contact. This time I could not.
I am glad things like this will be archived hopefully someday. Along with the fight you get to see a young George Benton and not so young ,but not old Jimmy Bivins, Sugar Ray Robinson with the other fighters, good stuff. Thank You.
No matter how old Walcott was in this bout, he gave Rocky his toughest fight other than Charles. Walcott got better age, crafty, slick, a ring cutie. Had it gone to distance he would've won on points.....Rocky is just pure class, not many escaped his KO power. RIP to both of these legends...gotta love this sport
Bun B I like wat yer saying but theres no way Jersey Joe was gonna win that on points. Rocky had him on the way out from rd 9 on, it was only Joes guts, heart, skillz n pride that was keeping him in it. Rocky wore him down with top class pressure.
Archie Moore's turn finally arrived in 1952 when he was a veteran of, at a conservative estimate, 170 contests. He had enlisted the help of leading writers to campaign on his behalf. The world light heavyweight champion, Joey Maxim, was an Italian-American whose real name was Giuseppe Antonio Berardinelli. Maxim's manager, Jack "Doc" Kearns, who had managed the great 1920s heavyweight Jack Dempsey, insisted on Maxim being paid $100,000 in return for allowing the fight to go ahead in St Louis. Moore took what was left, which turned out to be $800. By the time he had paid off his sparring partners and other pre-fight expenses, there was nothing left. Nevertheless, he won the world light heavyweight title at the age of 39. After the decision, he walked over to Maxim, but was brushed aside by Kearns. "Never mind the condolences, kid," said the old man. "We've got all the money." More than that, Kearns had threatened to pull Maxim out of the fight unless Moore cut him in as his co-manager. Moore had signed - and then discovered Kearns had also negotiated a rematch clause. As a result, Moore had to beat Maxim twice more. Kearns earned a fortune. *This is another perfect example of how the underworld monopolized every single facet of boxing during that era. The International Boxing Club Mafioso President Norris and his Boss Carbo owned Marciano's manager Al Weill. Including ticket sales they took 60% of everything Marciano earned. They had theiy collar-n-leash around Marciano and made Millions!!!
@@andrewmartin538 it sure does.. Also when Moore knocked Rocky down they gave him a 20+ count to get up They insured he wasn't gonna lose Moore was aged very aged and still smh
@@WARS187 no ! They did not give him a 20 count ! Were did you get this stuff ! He got up emediatly! You have no facts and bpno credibility. You are a racist.
Undefeated cause he retiered young. JOE Louis had to keep fighting after his prime ,becaus the govetment got him in Debt while he served in world war 2.
@@joshuatree5620 ... yea I knew a man back in the early 1980's from the late 40's and 50's pro boxing scene in Oakland ca. ... he was damaged severely from the " sport " .... walked with a limp .. had a slurred speech impediment ... drooled from his mouth considerably ... he was a vibrant man despite his permanent injuries .... God bless him ....
In the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. *SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???* *Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!* Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that. The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
Wow, two titans smashing each other. I had no idea of how formidable Walcott was. And the relentlessly attacking Marciano is a sight to behold. Marciano was always coming at you even if you hurt him. Much respect to both.
First off comparing what round who beat who is nonsensical. Styles make fights. Ali went 15 rounds almost with Chuck Wepner and the year before knocked Foreman in his peak out in 8 rounds. In your ridiculous theory you're saying Chuck Wepner was way better than Foreman! Yeah right! Furthermore no fighter was ever better conditioned than Rocky. Read his training regimen. Rocky's lunches hit with the same force as an armor piercing bullet. Get that an armor piercing bullet. He beat every person he was ever in front of and was often a a big size disadvantage. He stalked you the entire fight and applied pressure like no other fighter. He had a killer instinct that maybe only Tyson, Foreman, and Liston could have matched. And would have given any heavyweight in history fits with his style. 49-0 with 43ko's. No one even close to that in history! His prime was later than most but what a prime he had for about 5 years. And was smart enough to quit on top and be remembered as a legend and all time great that he is!
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach. Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach. Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach. Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach. Shocking isn't it. Those other small guys weren't so small after all. They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems. On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively. Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!
If little Marciano had just ONE draw (48-0-1) everyone would have abandoned his ship long ago. But his '0' is the ONLY thing that keeps him afloat. Marciano's top 10 ranking is determined by computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man made program was coded to exclude WEIGHT from the equation. That's why 165 lb 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible 185 lb Marciano ranks higher than Fury Ibeabuchi Holmes Lewis Bowe Vitali Wladimir Foreman etcetera? Now we know why. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165 to 275 lbs, ranking bodies still exclude WEIGHT from their metric, yet they acknowledge (17) different WEIGHT classes, imagine that. Top 10 rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt!!! Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he had 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Charles/Moore ranked higher than Spinks? Because they fought little Marciano which automatically makes them immortal even though they Lost "FORTY-EIGHT" times and were "KTFO-FOURTEEN" times. It's no wonder HOF Greats Jimmy Cannon and Bert Sugar said, "Marciano's era was horseshit."
Yeah, kept coming for 15 rounds. Frazier in the first Ali fight was the only other heavyweight that comes to mind who was able to sustain such intensity like that.
Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 21 opponents (not in order). Bobo Olson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Clinton Bacon 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Harold Johnson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Harold Johnson (twice) 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Joey Maxim 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Joey Maxim (twice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Joey Maxim (thrice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Sonny Andrews 177 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Jimmy Slade 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Bob Dunlap 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Clarence Henry 184 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Toxie Hall 188 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS? Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career record 22 wins 32 losses (F-level) with (two) 2% KOs Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses (F-level) with an abysmal 24% KOs Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 25% KOs Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 29% KOs Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses (D-level) with a low-power 51% KOs Nino Valdes 209 lbs (twice)
This fight just makes my respect for Jersey Joe grow even more. He was slicker than oil, could punch like a sledgehammer, especially with the hook, he knew every trick in the book, and in this fight looked almost ready to defend his title to the death if need be.
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky with 67" flyweight reach was a great champ in his own era and a credit to the sport of boxing, however he boxed in a weak post war drained era where boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost, Rocky, in fact never beat one 200+lbs, prime, genuine Heavyweight and struggled badly with some of the old opposition that he did beat. *Since then there's been many, many other topnotch genuine 220 to 300+lbs Heavyweights similar to:* Miller - 333 lbs Zhang - 287 Joyce - 280 Fury - 277 Ngannou - 272 Makhmudov - 260 Briggs - 265 Ruiz - 265 Grant - 265 Foreman - 260 Lennox - 250 Ibeabuchi - 245 Vitali - 250 Peter - 250 Wladimir - 245 Parker - 250 Bowe - 245 Anderson - 245 Hrgovic - 245 Sanchez - 245 Whyte - 250 Joshua - 250 Ruddock - 245 Ortiz - 240 Witherspoon - 235 Tua - 235 Dokes - 235 Bruno - 230 Liston - 220 Tyson - 220 Thomas - 225 Morrison - 230 Cooney - 230 Wilder - 230 Lyle - 220 Usyk - 222 Holmes - 218 Ali - 218 *Marciano - 184*
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns! Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level) Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level) Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level) Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level) Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level) Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level) Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level) Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level) Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level) Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level) Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level) Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level) Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level) Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level) Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level) Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level) Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level) Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level) Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level) Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level) Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level) Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level) Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level) Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level) Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less. Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less. Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less. Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less. Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less. Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents. Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck. Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano? IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
I have a feeling that right hand that took Joe down would have killed an average man. I'm a big Marciano fan but became a bit annoyed when the announcer constantly mentioned Joe's age. They both took one hell of a beating that night!
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles only weighed 181 pounds when he won his 'vacant' Super Heavyweight title against cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott in 1949. Exactly two years later Charles weighed a massive 182 pounds when he lost his Super Heavyweight title to you guessed it, 194 pound Journeyman Joe again. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott Loss!!! So how the heck did Walcott get 6 attempts at the Heavyweight Championship? Because the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was nonexistent and he was the closest to being a genuine Heavyweight. The 200+lb Heavyweights that did exist (Jackson, Wilson, Shkor) were D and F-level boxers. 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had a career 4 wins 3 losses (F-level). 230 lb Bill Wilson had a career 40 wins 20 losses (F-level) and an abysmal 30% KOs. 220 lb Johnny Shkor had a career 50 wins 20 losses and an abysmal 40% KOs. Journeyman Joe was C-level at best. Overall he Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times. Walcott's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles, Light heavyweight Joey Maxim and Light heavyweight Harold Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Maxim Lost (29) times. Light heavyweight Johnson Lost (11) times and was KO'd (5) times. Light heavyweight Archie Moore Lost (23) times was and KOd (7) times. Would it have been ok if Marciano Lost (25) times and was KTFO (7) times? Of course not. If little Marciano had so much as a 'Draw', he wouldn't even be ranked top 20. Lennox constantly catches heck for being KO'd twice. Liston constantly catches heck for losing to Light heavyweight Marty Marshall early in his career. Yet it's perfectly fine for Charles, Walcott and Moore to be KOd 20 times combined and lose 68 times.
Man gets knocked down for the first time in his career...he's gets cut...blinded for 3 or 4 rounds...JJW is pounding the shit out of him...he's behind on all scorecards...and then in the 13th round..."POW"...he throws the best right hand ever...KO's Joe Walcott...and wins the title!!! The man was a FIGHTER...he wasn't there to do anything else!
Jim Cushman Why would I be impressed with a man who is more than 12 years younger than his Old Opponent winning a fight in which he was LOSING, GOT CUT, HURT AND KNOCKED DOWN???????
You mean when Ali beat Liston...who was 10 years older than Ali.... ...Brian London...who was 8 years older than Ali....George Chuvalo...was was 5 years older than Ali...Floyd Patterson...who was 7 years older than Ali...Cleveland Williaams...who was 9 years older than Ali.....you mean Zora Folley...who was 11 years older than Ali. You mean Henry Cooper...who was 8 years older than Ali?These are the ages of Ali's opponents when he was in his prime from 1963 to 1967. You wanna talk ages?
Ali wasn't knocked down, cut, beat up and behind in those fights. THAT'S THE POINT! He handled those fighters the way he was SUPPOSED TO. So did Tyson when HE was younger. THAT'S THE POINT! NOT THE AGE.
Marciano didn’t beat an old man. He eat a great fighter during an excellent stretch in his in career. Joe Walcott is an all time great and did some of his best boxing at the end of his career.
Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott's 20 losses: *1.* ln 1930 Walcott lost to 159-lb Palmer. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *SEVEN* years old. *2.* In 1930 Walcott lost to 158-lb Carl Mays. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *EIGHT* years old. *3.* In 1933 Walcott lost to 177-lb Henry Taylor. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TEN* years old. *4.* In 1936 Walcott was *KOd* by 191-lb Al Ettore. Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old. *5.* In 1936 Walcott lost to 179-lb Billy Ketchell. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old. *6.* In 1937 Walcott was *KOd* by 178-lb Tiger Jack Fox. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old. *7.* In 1937 Walcott lost to 174-lb George Brothers. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old. *8.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 184-lb Tiger Jack Fox AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old. *9.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 197-lb Roy Lazer. Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old. *10.* In 1940 Walcott was *KOd* and sent into *RETIREMENT* for *3-years* by 256-lb Abe Simon. A Super Heavyweight in every sense, he benefitted from a remarkable sixty-two pound weight advantage. Behind in points in the first five rounds, Simon unleashed a tremendous right @ 2:32 into the sixth causing the knockout. Walcott barely moved as he was counted out." -- Wiki* ..Simon was sent into *permanent RETIREMENT* by Joe Louis in 1942. Marciano was *SEVENTEEN* years old. *11.* In 1945 Walcott lost to 204-lb Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was *TWENTY TWO* years old. *12.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 179-lb Joey Maxim. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old. *13.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 191-lb Elmer Ray. Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old. *14.* In 1947 Walcott lost to 212-pound Joe Louis. *JOE LOUIS SAID HE BEAT WALCOTT IN THIS BOUT.. LOUIS ALSO SAID WALCOTT WAS OLDER THAN HE WAS (@ Louis vs. Walcott The Way it Was Part 1 and 2).* Marciano was *TWENTY FOUR* years old. *15.* In 1948 Walcott was *KOd* by 213-lb Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the Journeyman so he announced his retirement March 1, 1949. Louis's once speedy reflexes were gone and it showed. Marciano was *TWENTY FIVE* years old. *16.* In 1949 Walcott lost to 181-lb Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the *"vacant"* Heavyweight title. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY SIX* years old. *17.* In 1950 Walcott lost to 192-lb Rex Layne. Marciano was *TWENTY SEVEN* years old. *18.* In 1951 Walcott lost to 185-lb Ezzard Charles AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY EIGHT* years old. *19.* In 1952 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY NINE* years old. *IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) - WHAT HAPPENS???* *20.* In 1953 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTY* years old and Walcott was very close to *FORTY!!!* *It was advantageous that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik' bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military.*
This is the best fight of Walcott's career. It is astounding that he didn't demolish Rocky -- aside from knocking him down with a left hook that knocked out Ezzard Charles, he was lifting Marciano off the canvas in the later rounds. Incredible bout.
Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL* Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low *15 points* for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. *Who did he beat?* His best win *was against Walcott* but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.* Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL* Walcott scores *55 points* for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. *He's more famous for his losses than his wins.* Ali scored *164 points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77* and little Marciano only scored *48 points!* Ali is the only Heavyweight with an *A+ LEVEL.* Marciano is *B-LEVEL* for his *weak competition* and *lack of points.* *(I'll ad a comment below thoroughly explaining Walcott's C-LEVEL resume in detail).* Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a-low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156 points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight because *(23)* losses is *too many.* Ali only had *5,* Louis only had *3,* Lennox only had *2,* Wladimir only had *5,* Liston only had *4,* Vitali only had *2,* Bowe only had *1* etc. *BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!!* Well little Rocky only had *49* so *stop whining.* Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.* Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are *Meaningless.* If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just like undisputed undefeated light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks was. --- *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes.
After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.
You are in every comment section of Marcianos fights with multiple different accounts bashing him, posting the same nonsense to discredit him and then upvoting your own comments. 😂😂😂 Probably some dumb n…… You are a LOSER.
Wow! Both such terrific heavyweights! Walcott had already KO'd both Joe Louis & Ezzard Charles, eventually losing this one to Marciano...Rd. 13 (at 56: 33), Rocky throws the hardest shot ever seen (before or since!) to become the new champ... Bravo! Arguably the greatest heavyweight title fight ever filmed. Thanks for posting it! Addio e buona fortuna, cari amici... JC & fam.
We just watched two of the best fighters in the world! And one Rocky Marciano the number one pound for pound undisputed undefeated champion of the world! Undefeated till this day undefeated forever. No question or arguing Rocky Marciano goes down as the best to ever lace up the gloves. 👑 🥊🥊
Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?
Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, *"Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son."* -- which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ??? *"After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police."* --Wiki *"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --International Boxing Hall Of Fame *And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.*
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
90% of little white opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.
Hall of Fame All Time Great Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, yet only lost by split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
Fourteen months after Marciano fights Moore he calls the Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore match at-ringside. The defeatism in Marciano's voice is undeniably resigned to futility. He is flabbergasted at Patterson's blinding speed and immediately realizes it would be pointless to make a comeback even though every sportswriter across America is begging him to come out of retirement after Patterson just walked through everything Moore threw without blinking and KO’d Archie in 5. Directly after Patterson beat Moore for the vacant heavyweight championship Cus D'Amato suggested that the return of Rocky Marciano to the ring would be most welcome and would draw "the greatest gate in history." Marciano "declined" --written by Vault | SI 1956 It says in the book-( The Greatest Fights.. That Never Were ) -by Matthew Bazell, that Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Patterson. Marciano was offered 2 MILLION dollars. The Patterson people including Cus wanted that fight so bad. But Marciano wouldn't take it no matter how much he was offered. ( Marciano discusses his multi-million dollar offers @-( The Marciano Tapes #3 ) [[ Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore by SPORTvidos ]]
Rocky Marciano would have demolished Floyd Patterson with the greatest of ease. No defeatism in Rocky Marciano, that was reserved for all his opponents, Rocky couldn't be beat period..
James D. Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of 'Blinky' Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious Italian mobsters) created The International Boxing Club Of New York (IBC) to control boxing and everybody involved.
A superb match-up, both great fighters! Study the middle rds! Fierce blows, but Marciano's KO of Walcott was in the 13th. Imagine it as only a 12 rd. fight (like now), without "Championship rds" (13-15). Walcott would've won on points in 12. Instead, Marciano's 13th rd KO shot was the hardest punch ever thrown in the division. A grand post, bravo! Many thanks!!!
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired. EXPLAIN HOW LITTLE 185 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 5 HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023? Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,, imagine that? "AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Algorithms don't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0.. That's why all Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
Just like you speculateers would bet on the 130# Wolf over 50# Wolverine....and you'd lose watching the wolf become Wolverine scat...OR... bet on the bigger Jackal over a Honeybadger and be wrong again...lol Rocky was like them and trained to be that tuff...! It only takes one good hit and if you watch Rocky carefully he patiently waits for that split second opening to appear while he nonstop pummels away...! One can notice Tyson once rocked good gets scared which is why he goes in with both guns blazing unless someone clocks him enuff his reaction and fearfulness is apparent where Rocky just keeps coming and fights close on the inside where the bigger longer reached fighters are useless and kept off guard and he never lets up- Esp never ending liver & rib shots you can hear and sêê the reverb effects...! So - to each his own opinion...!
It's not the ranking system's fault that you are stupid. Boxers are ranked compared to their competition of the time. 70 years ago boxers didn't have human growth hormone, steroids and other drugs that improve performance. The very same Rocky born today (or any fighter of his era) would have been taller and stronger, if only from better nutrition of the modern age. Now go back to your mom's basement and play your video games.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
I remember my grandfather telling me about this fight. Most men that talked about this fight and they had their own opinions on the fight. Thank you for sharing this video so we can watch and witness what our grandparents and parents thought about this fight.
*ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* *People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.* *In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."* *Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Had enough strength to sign the contracts and cash the checks though. Guess we should ignore the 8 ko victories he had between '51 and the loss to Marciano.
*Famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's disease for 55 years after he was diagnosed in 1963.* Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* ... Charles lost the title to Walcott in 51. He attempted to regain the title 3 times, losing once to Walcott in 52 and twice to Marciano in 54. *There's no room for debate. Too many reputable witnesses. Charles was 100% factually handicapped when he fought Marciano!*
Announcers haven't always been afraid of dead air, it's refreshing. Being able to watch a fight without constant talking about non fight related topics, or someone trying to tell you what you're seeing. I like that it gives ex boxers jobs and they can occasionally be insightful but if there were a button to push and all I could hear was the crowd and the fighters, I would push it.
THE 3 BIGGER OPPONENTS little MARCIANO FOUGHT: 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had 4 wins 3 losses, all against smaller opponents. 229 lb Bill "Soccer-ball" Wilson lost (27) times, all against smaller opponents. 220 lb Johnny "Tooth-pick" Shkor lost (19) times, all against smaller opponents. And this is why we 'NEVER' hear about any of Marciano's 'bigger' opponents as they were D and F-level undercard boxers being paid with room-n-board to pad records.
Teddy Brenner, who worked for Al Weill in the late-1940s and subsequently became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing, later acknowledged, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter, he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager, he was controlled by Carbo.” In May 1949, Weill became the matchmaker for the International Boxing Club. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. Marciano wasn’t the first fighter to be moved by people of influence. Nor will he be the last. It’s what happened after the first LaStarza fight that really blemished Marciano’s career by taking a major step back in competition. Rocky’s handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat. His next opponent was F-level Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was F-level Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses. Marciano was picking and choosing his fights his entire career. Marciano's 32nd fight was against F-level Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses. His 33rd fight was against F-level Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses. 34th fight was against F-level Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses. And his 35th fight was against F-level Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses. It's clear as day Frankie Carbo and Al Weill padded Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
The best ever, Rocky Marciano. 49-0 unmatched in the heavyweight division. I find myself continually defending him against comparison to modern day fighters. Modern day athletes are bigger, stronger, and enjoy better training, nutrition, health care, financial support and more. Rocky's accomplishments should always be measured against his peers during his era.
@@sergegregoire5004 Everyone wants to time travel Rocky to fight some modern fighter. He fought in the fifties against his contemporaries. The average heavyweight fighter was 198 pounds. The average NFL offensive lineman was 235 pounds in the fifties.You can't compare athletes across generations. I don't understand why people just can't appreciate the man for what he accomplished.
Archie Moore was 39, and on a 21 fight win streak, the longest of his career, all against younger opposition. He was prime. Joe Walcott was 38 and the Heavyweight Champion. He was also prime. Charles was 33, a year and a half older, and prime. Louis was 37, but had just won 8 straight. Rocky only had four years under his belt when he faced Joe Louis. Rocky had great wins over great fighters and champions.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
They put Rocky as the favorite to get Joe Walcotts goat. They knew it would piss him off and he’d fight much harder in my opinion. How Rocky withstood his onslaughts is a remarkable testament to his physical conditioning and shear iron will to keep fighting !
The son of an Italian immigrant Rocco Francis Marchegiano a.k.a. Rocky Marciano was a protected fighter. The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's mafioso manager and matchmaker at the Garden took 50% and all ticket sales which pushed it closer to 60%. Marciano had no choice but to comply or no contract. Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, they needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia. The mob controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control. Every day the evidence stacked up against mafioso bosses Palermo and Carbo particularly, with a list of their associates touching almost every major player in 1950’s boxing. Eventually the verdict was damning; 25 years in Alcatraz for Carbo, 15 years in prison for Palermo. Rocky Marciano visited both inside their prison cells numerous times. James D. Norris was president of the International Boxing Club of New York from 1949 to 1958. Norris was responsible for fixing numerous bouts. Besides match fixing, he was also managing many boxers against their will. The IBC dominated boxing in the U.S. in the 1950s, but was dissolved by the courts, which ruled it to be a monopoly.
I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking. 1962: In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the #1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th. 1971: In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most famous historian and also editor and founder of Ring magazine , named Marciano as the all-time 10th greatest Heavyweight champion. 1998: Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever. 2005: We float around to 2005, and in 2005, Marciano was named the 5th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by the International Boxing Research Organization. 2007: In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind (in order) Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, and Jack Dempsey. 2023: We skip to the modern day, and somehow he's been bumped up to 3rd. Will he one day be greater than Ali??? It's easy to see little Rocky's progression. The key is understanding *why?* Despite his perfect record against the weakest 'Heavyweight' division of all-time, Marciano was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 60s. So why did he climb from *10th* in 71, *6th* in 98, to *4th* in 07? Becus the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 72. They all started passing away including Rocky in 69. That's when his fame really started to grow. Don't get me wrong, little Rocky was extremely famous to Italians throughout the upper east coast but that was about it. *After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where he could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease. Little Rocky was so awesome that Don Turner said, "Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the first round."* *Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.*
@ 3: 27 the banner-caption or on-screen text reads; ARCHIE MOORE CLASSIC SPORTS At age 42, second oldest ever to fight for heavyweight championship (George Foreman, age 45 in 1994) Archie's age is no longer a mystery. Wiki recently removed 1916 and went with 1913 per family request. “My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore Jul 20, 2020 - Archie Moore - BoxRec writes -- "Moore claimed he was born December 13, 1916, but his mother said he was born December 13, 1913. The U.S. Census record from 1920 seems to put an end to the mystery. "Archie L. Wright" is listed as a nephew in the household of Cleveland Moore and was three years and two months old on the date of the census" - January 2, 1920. So BoxRec says, "'Seems"' to put an "'end'" to the mystery." Who said it's the "'end'" ? BoxRec serves maybe two million folks. Wiki serves Billions and they say 1913. Archie's Mother and Archie's children say 1913 so they take precedent. Archie's mother did not fill out that census form, an uncle did who lived in a different state. Archie claimed he was born in 1916 in Collinsville, Illinois. But Archie's Mother told reporters numerous times, "Archibald was born in 1913 in Benoit, Mississippi" and that she was "never in Collinsville." December 13, 1913 was even written in his obituary by his children. "My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore Says Billy Moore, Archie’s 68-year-old son who lives in San Diego, “My daddy was born in Benoit, Mississippi, and he was proud of it. If I heard him say it once, I heard him say it hundreds of times." @ BoxRec - Wikipedia --- 'Criticism of website' -very first sentence reads, ""BoxRec has been criticized for not keeping correct records for boxers, especially historic fighters"" Here's a perfect example of BoxRec's inaccuracies and why they're criticized...Walcott's actual record is 51-18-2 and he was KO'd (5) times...yet BoxRec shows ""49-20-1 KO'd (6) times""
*Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion. The caliber of opponents is most important in evaluating greatness. Tommy Morrison and Roy Jones, for example, looked great against lesser opponents but pitted against the top men of their class, their shortcomings in other assets were exposed and their ability was offset by other attributes that better opponents of theirs possessed. Marciano was never so tested because his level of competition was so weak.
You only say that because Rocky was white. Just go ahead and admit it. He NEVER lost a fight, unlike that loud mouth, draft dodging, Muslim, who lost 5 times, and ABSOLUTELY should have 10-11 losses on his record if not for massive Mafia corruption. No, I don't think Marciano would've beat Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis, Wladimir, or Tyson Fury. But I absolutely believe, with every fiber in my body, Marciano would've beat Ali, the most overrated athlete, along with Derek Jeter, (and I am a diehard Yankees fan), rather easily. People who parrot Ali's big, obnoxious, loud mouth, that claims he was "The Greatest", are truly stupid, and gullible, human beings. All of those idiots, probably think that In-N-Out Barf Burgers are the "greatest" hamburgers of all time, which is even more insulting than hearing how great the Draft Dodger was. 🤢🤮🤢🤮
If you had watched this fight closely you'd have seen what a tremendous fighter Walcot was. He proved that Marciano had to be a great fighter because it took a great fighter to beat Walcot.
@@freddyfurrah3789 What a boxer was ranked is no study. It's facts. How did he go from being ranked 10th throughout the 1960s and 1970s to 4th Greatest Heavyweight in 2024. $$$$, that's how!
Joe was my home town boy .how could rocky beat him?I was so mad at joe for loosing .I still cant figure out what rock was made of.Give respect!!! I've learned to love the rock.All heart!!
Both these fighters were great boxers on their time..things are much different in modern times...Athletes are much better in 2022..Even the great boxers of the toughest Era, ( the 70s) were way better than these old timers..Tyson would have beat both of their A** in his prime...in fact, on my opinion, Mike could have beat both their A*** in the same night! All Mike Tyson would have needed would be about a 45 minute water break , then take the toughest fighter first,( Marciano) then go back into the ring and beat Marciano's Butt..all on one night!
Walcott was slick and stronger than his size would indicate. Rocky’s ability to carry his power late in fights saved the day for him here. Great fight.
It was more than that.... ROCKY had to have the ability to wear Walcott down in a grueling fight where he ROCKY was absorbing considerable punishment. ROCKY put Joe in that retreating mode Joe was in in round 13.
BoxRec has officially listed these Rocky Marciano opponents as middleweights and light heavyweights: Eddie Ross - division "Middleweight" Harry Bilazarian - division "Middleweight" Ezzard Charles - division "Light heavy" Archie Moore - division "Light heavy" Harry Matthews - division "Light heavy" Harry Haft - division "Light heavy" Ted Lowry - division "Light heavy" Willis Applegate - division "Light heavy" Bob Jefferson - division "Light heavy" Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion? Did the Klitschko brothers have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Does King Fury have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Marciano's extra-small era was a huge contributing factor towards the "cruiserweight" division being created. There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers. Little Rocky was only 31 when he up-n "QUIT" during his prime. He only fought a measly 7 years while everyone else was fightin 20 years!!! Many heavyweights coulda retired undefeated if they'd-a "QUIT" after only 7 years!!! Had he kept fightin he woulda faced the likes of Patterson, Machen, Johansson, Folley, Liston, Jones, Clay, Terrell, Cleveland and Chuvalo just to name a few. What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech and his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." That's not True. It was all a lie. He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless--@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Combined, Walcott Charles Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Had little Rocky never existed nobody would even be talkin bout Walcott Charles Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott Charles Moore otherwise they would never denigrate and belittle other black fighters such as Ali Liston Holmes Tyson Wilder. I've studied Marciano extensively for one year and it just dawned on me that is exactly what's happening. Rocky fans always besmirch black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott Charles Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston Holmes Tyson, yet pure Love for Walcott Charles Moore.
Sounds like somebody got a some hate going on for "LITTLE" Rocky.. the Rock did exist, 40 times undefeated and had to retire cause nobody NOBODY on the up and coming would fight him. Little Rocky hurt fighters when it got down to blood and grid he came alive. Nobody wanted a lose, nobody wanted thier fighter hurt. That's a fact.
Not totally true. I am an ITALIAN AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVED MARCIANO, I LOVED TYSON IN HIS PRIME, HOLYFIELD, WALCOTT AND LISTON AND LOUIS. BUT I COULDNT STAND CASIOUS CLAY AND HOMES BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK..
@@aldonelson5757 Yes. Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore. Two were light heavyweights masquerading and moonlighting as Heavyweights. And Jersey Joe was Cruiserweight. Compared to today's Super Heavyweights they're tiny.
@@snickersberet4792 Incorrect. You don't know what your talking about. Little Rocky ducked many fighters and Quit bcz he was "embarrassed of losing." That's what his younger brother Peter said. Truth hurts. That's a fact!
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again
The abundance of excuses Marciano fans come up with are hilarious. The best one is *"size does not matter."* If that were the case why does boxing have 18 different weight classes??? A Marciano fan replies, *"well that's becuz weight does not matter at Heavyweight."* If that's true,, *why hasn't a 190-lb man ever beat an elite Super Heavyweight boxing champion before???* Why are there no 190-lb offensive or defensive linemen in the NFL??? Becus it would be impossible to stop other 300-lb elite linemen!!! Why hasn't a 190-lb man won the Super Heavyweight weightlifting competition in the Olympics??? Becus it's impossible for a 190-lb man to clean and jerk 580-lbs!!! little 184-lb Rocky with-is-shortest-ever-dwarfism-reach did not have the bone structure to be effective at Super Heavyweight today!!! *""SIZE MATTERS LIKE IT OR NOT""*
Sonny had an-albatross 84 inch reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67 inch reach. A 17 inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano. Foreman probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back up and revert to boxing. Watch the footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to little Marciano.
Best conditioned fighter who ever lived...great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...put The Rock in with anyone!
Zhang weighs - 285 Bakole - 285 Joyce - 280 Briggs - 265 Ruiz - 265 Grant - 265 Fury - 262 Parker - 250 Foreman - 250 Vitali - 250 Peter - 250 Joshua - 250 Whyte - 250 Ibeabuchi - 245 Lennox - 245 Kabayel - 245 Wladimir - 245 Dubois - 245 Anderson - 245 Sanchez - 245 Ruddock - 245 Hrgovic - 245 Wardley - 240 Bowe - 240 Ortiz - 240 Witherspoon - 235 Tua - 235 Dokes - 235 Bruno - 230 Morrison - 230 Cooney - 230 Thomas - 225 Usyk - 223 Lyle - 220 Tyson - 218 Holmes - 218 Wilder - 218 Ali - 218 Liston - 218 *Moore - 175 lb LH champion from 1952 to 1962.* *Charles - 181 lb HW champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.* *Marciano - 184 lb HW champion with 67" flyweight reach.* Heavyweight was only 175 lbs back then. Moore & Charles best years were at MW (147 to 160) and LH (160 to 175). Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. He never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at MW. Marciano fought between 178 and 188 over 40 times and was 'Never' weight drained!! *If size don't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since little Rocky's little era 4 generations ago?*
A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early 30s that still had his reflexes fully intact. The decathlon is the ultimate and/or best test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World Champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were undoubtedly past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason. Those 4 Hall of Famers Marciano faced were not prime when they fought him, it's scientifically and mathematically impossible when evaluating their careers. They already had 409 (68 68 95 178) pro fights and that doesn't include Louis' 96 fights he had before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service. Had Charles Moore Walcott Louis never fought little Rocky they'd still be entered into the Hall of Fame for what they accomplished *BEFORE* they fought him. Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought him?
Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. EXPLAIN HOW 184 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 7TH PLACE DURING THE 60s AND 70s TO TOP 4 SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024? Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES,, imagine that? 'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles/Moore were light heavyweights and Joe Louis's reflexes were completely shot. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 washed Hall of Famers and went 49-0. And that's exactly why the little 184 lb cruiser is ranked ahead of dozens of topnotch genuine Super Heavyweights!
In 1962 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s. Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.* Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future. In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing. Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate. Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.” In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.” Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.
Whewwwwww! That's a lot of talk , however no matter who Rocky could beat or could have beat . The fact remains he was NEVER beaten. Joe Walcott was great fighter ,but just couldn't stand the pressure of the smaller man !
This was Jersey Joe's finest moment. Faced with the strongest bruiser the heavyweight division's seen in years, what does he do? Stand, trade and just straight up fight. Being champion of the world just makes you want to prove that you deserve the title. Jersey Joe, Arnold Cream really deserved to be champion, even if it was only a short reign.
Jersey Joe beat Joe Louis in their first fight according to virtually everyone but the judges. The reason Walcott got KO'ed by Louis in their second fight is in part because of how the scoring went in their first fight. He was not so sure the judges would not screw him over again though he was ahead in scoring going into that fateful eleventh round.
Every champ fights their fare share of tomato cans. But nobody, and i mean nobody, fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as Marciano did. It's no joke, do the research. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0 *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. He wasn't even close to being elite. Jess was clumsy and terrible boxer.
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion. Joe Louis defeated Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer who were large heavyweight boxers. The sport is boxing not weight lifting or USA football.
The International Boxing Club Of New York was the dominant promotional power in boxing. It controlled the sport at Madison Square Garden and other major arenas. It had contracts for regularly-scheduled fights on the emerging medium of television. And it had links to organized crime; most notably through Frankie Carbo. “Carbo,” Russell Sullivan explains, “established a well-organized centralized system of control over boxing. The system featured scores of managers who operated as front men for Carbo. Once a promising fighter arrived on the scene, one of Carbo’s managers would muscle in on his ownership. Fear and violence were the linchpins of Carbo’s system and the bedrock of his power. Directly or indirectly, he controlled scores of judges, officials, managers, promoters, and fighters. His power became such that no big match was made or title awarded without his acquiescence.”
Out of all the boxers in history *why* is little Marciano the *only-one* that must be defended through *QUOTES???* Quote after quote after endless quotes. Cuz y'all can't defend him with-is *resume alone!!!* *Quotes are spec·u·la·tion /ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun, and speculation is the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.. Similar: opinion, hypothesize, guess, surmise, notion, prediction, forecast, gamble, venture, risk.* Just cuz Muhammad Ali said, "Marciano *"Might"* have beaten me," does that make it true?? *"Might"* does not mean *would have.* It means *maybe* or *possibly.* Holmes said, *"Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap,"* does that make it true?? Funniest Quote is Don Turner saying, *"Marciano could beat both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the same round."* Who actually believes that?? Foreman recently listed his own top-10 greatest Heavyweights of all time yet he didn't even include himself. Why?? Because it's called being humble, showing ones respects, or creating an image. Ali's famous speech directly after he KO'd Foreman: *"EVERYBODY STOP TALKING NOW"* *"I TOLD Y'ALL I WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"* *"I TOLD Y'ALL I'M STILL THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"* [ Does that sound lik' Ali is conceding to little dwarfism-arms? ] *Find "ONE" professional boxer, manager, boxing historian or trainer that has little Rocky ranked higher than the cultural phenomenon Muhammad Ali.* No need for speculative Quotes to protect Muhammad Ali cuz his *resume speaks for itself.* No need for speculative Quotes to protect Lennox Lewis cuz his *resume speaks for itself.* No need for speculative Quotes to protect Larry Holmes cuz his *resume speaks for itself.* No need for speculative Quotes to protect Wladimir Klitschko cuz his *resume speaks for itself.* On the other hand little Rocky's resume needs *serious help* cuz it's horrendous,, *hence all the futile Quotes to protect him.*
70 years ago I was 8 years old and I barely remember this boxing match , and I love the Boxing 🥊, it’s good one ☝️, and I wotch now ,. Congratulations 🎈🎊🎉🍾.
Two hundred seventy seven pounds of undefeated destruction. Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and flummox him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. Rocky ain't gettin the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins! Anyway he chooses! Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm just so grateful i get to see it in my lifetime. Transport Fury back to that little 1950s cruiserweight era and 'The King' woulda went 149-0 with 100% KO's! [[[[[ 🏋️""SIZE-MATTERS""🏋️ ]]]]] NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION🥊
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
He was barely 6 1. Sonny sure had a long career. First fight was in 1953 when Marciano was champ. People think liston disappeared after the Ali loss. But he won nine fights in a row afterwards before his shocking loss to leotis Martin
Joe Walcott was a great fighter. He hit like a mule kick and could take a hard punches and combinations with barely any effect, then keep on fighting like nothing hit him at all. In boxing history, he is under rated, and if he were fighting today, would beat most, and perhaps all Heavy weight opponents. ROCKY MARCIANO, well, one of a kind. Incredible endurance, as fresh in the last round, as in the first. Exceedingly aggressive, tenacious and very strong He could take the hardest punches thrown at him and keep fighting as if he didn't get hit at all. Marciano was one of the hardest punchers in history. If we are talking pound for pound, I would say he is the hardest puncher. I'm almost certain, if fighting today, or any time in history he would beat any Heavy weight, why you may ask... Style. As George Foreman has said: "Marciano was right at your chest, the minute the bell rang." He gave fighters with longer arms no room to box and set him up. In the words of Muhammad Ali: “Marciano hit harder than Joe Frazer." and continued by saying: " No other fighter in history could take a beating like Marciano,' with his nose split in two and partially hanging off, and continue fighting, knocking out his opponent. You have to be born that way, it can’t be taught or learned in the gym.”’
empirical43 a few words to that pile of garbage
Ted lowery ,Colley Wallace, and the host of young youthful fighters he ducked and avoid who wouldn't stand for any bollocks and who wouldn't take any shit from. Anyone .
Roberto Day-Are you talking about Walcott or Marciano?
empirical43 grandad and road sweeper beater sloppy mafiano of course
empirical43 How would Ali know how hard Marciano hit? Your quote doesn’t ring true. Where did you get it?
From the computer fight they did.That was a 45 year old and very out of shape, fat from overeating, Marciano, mind you
Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
Marciano Magnificent Perfection
Wherever Marciano went, destruction followed
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
Rocky is the pinnacle of heart, courage, and determination of his time.
Rocky was relentless and fought with brutal fury.....a champions desire to win at all costs.....and the perfect gentleman outside of the ring.
Such a gentleman even Ali was respectful toward him, and didn't even take offense when Rocky had a slip of the tongue and referred to him as "Clay".
"I have always adhered to two principles. The first one is to train hard and get in the best possible physical condition. The second is to forget all about the other fellow until you face him in the ring and the bell sounds for the fight." -- Rocky Marciano
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
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My all time favorite Heavyweight championship fight. This upload is the best quality in the world bar none. Thanks so much!
"What could be better than walking down any street and knowing you are the heavyweight champ of the world." - Rocky Marciano
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
No he's not. Gene Tunney ended his heavyweight career with no defeat.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
ROCKY PROVED THAT HEIGHT, WEIGHT, REACH, EXPERIENCE, DON'T MATTER!
Respect for fellow boxers. Something Ali never learned. 😮
What a fascinating fight. Walcott looks like the best of our modern fighters... size, power, physique and skills. Marciano is a total anomaly. He's small(184 pounds), and very unorthodox. Yet he's always stalking, and relentless. He has dynamite in both hands. What a devastating KO.
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You're very true I boxed a long time and not much has changed from the 1910s 1908 until Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali course did the road to go he also pulled you in and pulled you down where you out hold on your neck these old fights are really good
If you like these older fights look at jet Jack Johnson he was a modern boxer
Walcott is nowhere close to the best of modern fighters. Both of these men are snail slow brawlers.
This fight was the first time I ever saw television! I was in the first grade, and a friend of my Dad had a television set...the only one in town! Thanks for reviving my memories!
Joe Walcott was an awesome fighter.. He was just too damn old in this fight. Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily.
To be fair, Joe was smart enough to know Rocky wasn't hurt after that 1st round Knock down and took a longer approach to the bout. He was going for a points decision, and he was ahead on all 3 scorecards into the 13th round. I'd say if Rocky hadn't fooled him so expertly in that final exchange, had they not been throwing at the same time, Walcott would've retained the belt.
Rocky said "that night I thought Joe was the greatest boxer in the world!" He said he learned a lot from it.
@@paysonfox88 "Had he been more like 25, he'd have won easily." Yeah, ok, lol.
*Nobody ever wants to discuss little Rocky's resume. I wouldn't either, have you seen it? It's no wonder so many Rocky fans are terrified to even look at it let alone discuss it. It's horrendous. Anything, and i mean anything to avoid his appalling F-LEVEL resume. I mean every champ fights their fair share of tomato cans but nobody, and i mean nobody fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as he did! It's no joke, do the research:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb Tiny Cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:*
*TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN*
*BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.*
*OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD*
*THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET*
*OF BOXING DURING THE 1950's!!!*
*EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS*
*CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM*
*BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.*
*THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY*
*ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT*
*WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED*
*HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.*
*CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT*
*CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!*
*IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL.*
*By the 1950s it was common knowledge that PEDs gave you a physical boost and boxers around the world were trying to get their hands on some. Athletes started to use roids in the 1930s and by the 1950s they were prolific* 💊🤢💉
*To think millionaire Marciano was drug free is ludacris. During his time Marciano was the most popular athlete in America and he had Best Physicians helping him!!!*
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Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%.
Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%.
Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
I’m going on 87 years old and remember watching this fight through a furniture store window. The store would turn on a black and white TV, and turn it toward the storefront window. Always liked the Saturday Night Fights.
I was around 15 years old.
this must have been a time when balding men ruled the world.
it was fought on my 15th birthday and i am now 84 the date is 7-27-22
WOW !!!!!! THAT IS GREAT !!!!!!!! You cannot forget that !
You witnessed the pinnacle of the sport of boxing in your day. And, the pinnacle of this greatest country on Earth, the United States of America.
@@thejerseyj5479🇺🇸 😁👍👍🇺🇲 ,👍😁 🥊💥🥊💥🌠🌛
I feel fortunate that I can watch this in 2022. Props to BoxNights.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
@@Samantha_Lavery_Medici Other fighters had more finesse. But none of them during the Rock's era were better conditioned, could hit as hard or had as much heart and desire to win. That's why he went undefeated during his reign as heavyweight champion. Had he not retired in 1956, he would have run into such up and comers as Floyd Patterson, Ingmar Johansen and maybe Sonny Liston. It's anyone's guess who would have come out on top in those matches.
What an outstanding fight. Two monster legends, RIP.
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
@@Jabbing_Jack I think you are being a little hard on Marciano. That first fight with Walcott required the heart of a lion to win. Walcott was punishing Marciano badly but Marciano never quit. Most fighters would have laid down and taken the lose. That fight and the fight with Charles, where Marciano's nose was split, tells me all I need to know about the guy. He wasn't a quitter. He was smart enough to quit while he was ahead and still have a fully functioning brain.
@@Jabbing_Jack You sound like a leftist with your little hate spat. You got the point accrues you hate the fact Rocky Marciano was the only undefeated heavy weight champion of the world and a Sonny Liston fan but hey you can't change real history as much as you people like to think so. Here is a little fun fact, Rocky never ducked anybody ever and beat their ass equally regardless of race, creed or color and here is another little fun fact, it took his wife to talk him out of boxing or he would have ran that record up even more. He was a equal opportunity ass kicker. Deal with it.
@@Jabbing_Jack Sonny Liston was best ever, wasn't he? 🙂
@@Jabbing_Jack here you are you black racist troll doing everything you can to troll rocky. You just can't stand that rocky beat up your black idols and retired undeafeated.
Marciano gave real meaning to the saying: "Powerful things come in small packages"..... Rocky was knockout magic and never lost a fight.
He.lost.2.as.an
Ammater..read.the.book.
Rocky Marciano was a destroyer of fighters. He overwhelmed his opponents with non-stop aggression and incredible punching power. Most fighters that stepped into the ring with Rocky were ruined or retired. Probably the most destructive fighting force under 190.
Rocky Marciano 🎵 simply the best , better than the rest 🎵
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
MARCIANO=PERFECTION!
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
HEROES GET REMEMBERED, BUT LEGENDS NEVER DIE!
If they weren't ruined before, they were after.
Imagine the pain the next day after being involved in this onslaught, what a fight, your average man is down and out after one of them body slugs. Brilliant classic fight, cheers for the upload, it should remain on TH-cam forever. 👍
The rematch Walcott decided not to get up for more of that. They asked him about it and he said look I tried everything I had in the first fight.
The average man might not get up after being hit by either one of these greats.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night.
He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted.
He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy.
He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag.
He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds).
He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer
He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else.
Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour.
And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar.
Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds.
No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion.
There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp.
Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.”
And he wasn’t.
Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply:
“Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.”
And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
It's been 70 years and Marciano's 49-0 with 43 knockouts is chiseled into 'Granite' for eternity regardless what folks write, say or think.
It is so cool to hear the audience ambient background talk and shouts with those old omni directional microphones...
Rocky was a relentless , swarming, bludgeoning type of fighter, who simply outfought, outpunched and outlasted everyone he stepped into the ring with. Tremendous will and stamina, and raw bonecrunching power made him formidable , you just couldn't discourage him in his obsessed craving to win at all costs.......A really tough fighter.......and a great unbeaten champ
Not to mention probably smallest heavyweight ever with t Rex arms and still went undefeated
@@favoriteofalltimefoat also hes 188 lbs and can hit harder than pretty much everyone
@@yes-qw6om smallest heavyweight ever
@@favoriteofalltimefoat Tommy Burns, Dwight Qawi, Sam Langford...
Rocky only had six title defenses, in my opinion you should have a minimum of ten/twelve title defenses to be considered an all time great. IJS..they have minimum at bats and minimum innings pitched in baseball, minimum games played, minimum pass attempts in football, IJS.
What a classic, appreciate the upload. Interesting that both had a sort of broken rhythm that made them hard to hit cleanly, even without much footwork compared to some others, but both were also powerful and accurate punchers, so they connected heavy and often. Marciano's defense was very underrated, with lots of erratic head movement. And if one went for his body, he'd catch them with his own sledgehammer blows. Jersey Joe was in great shape, too, certainly not looking "over the hill". Exceptional boxing skills on display, but Rocky managed to get that sledgehammer to connect cleanly and that's all she wrote. Two of the greatest ever to enter the ring.
Not over the hill, but likely didn’t have the cardio or chin a man with less mileage would have had. I wonder how this fight would have gone ten years earlier when Walcott had more of his body to sacrifice.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
@@Sara_Sky_Sutton Lack of glamor and timing. Props to him for having hung up the gloves before the sport and training took too great a toll, so unfortunate to be taken by a freak accident.
"A perfect record does not mean that someone is the greatest. Rocky Marciano never lost a fight, but I never hear anyone say he's the greatest Heavyweight champion of all time." - Authored by: Steve Sabol
Sabol was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2011 as a contributor due to his works with NFL Films. While NFL Films has won over 100 Emmys, Sabol himself has received 35 of those Emmys for writing, cinematography, editing, directing, and producing. No one else in all of television has earned as many Emmys in as many different categories. He was also a boxing scholar/historian.
One of the things I love about Rocky is after every round no matter what he just goes back to his corner and never gets upset with any fighter.
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fighting *"17yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Joe’s speed and punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime.
40yr old cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with 68 fights before facing the 184 lb cruiser. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was already fighting pro when little Rocky was only 7yrs old!
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig's disease in 1951.
*Charles lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing the little 189 lb cruiser. Exactly 95% of Moore's 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruisers.
*Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky Marciano only fought *"8yrs"* before he abruptly quit during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky quit bcz he was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. I have the source.
*If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, and his trainers (Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera, Bill Gore) said they noticed signs of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
In the 11th and 12th rounds , Rocky and his brother even admitted that Walcott beat him up so badly that they were unsure if Rocky could continue the fight after each of those rounds. 12th round especially into the mid point of 13th, Joe looked like he was about to finish it. Had Walcott been 25 to 30 yrs old instead of 40, he definitely would have finished it.
@@Bobby.D.1776get out of the past and stop making excuses for yourself🐸🍿any jackass knows why boxing lost it's audience ?
Any one of those 50 people would have bitch slapped you or me!
@@Bobby.D.1776Indeed! Long before the ALS, Ezzard had killed Sam Baroudi inside the ring in 1948 and he lost his killer instinct after that.
Obviously prime Louis from 1938-1944 , would've destroyed Rocky and prime Charles would've beaten Marciano too
Walcott and Moore never would've beaten Marciano and the only reason that Walcott was dominating in their first Title Fight was because Rocky was blinded for 4 rounds .
All of the top young Heavyweights like Valdes, Baker Henry, Jackson, Walls and Buccerino never got a shot at the Title.
Rocky was smart to retire on top at 32 years of age. He wasn't brain damaged like Louis Charles, Ali, Frazier, etc.
My God! These guys are incredible. Just one of those body shots by the Rock to the average man would have broken all their ribs 3 x over! And Joe keeps on fighting? How? True champions both!
Walcott was an all time great fighter who probably beats any heavyweight in history on that night. His movement, agility, punching power and guile would be a nightmare for any heavyweight in history. I believe this was his greatest performance. He just went up against the most relentless and determined heavyweight in history. The Marciano right hand bomb that ended the fight was so monstrous that it sounded like a thunder clap. According to ringside observers, women and children ran toward the exit signs of Municipal stadium crying because they thought Walcott was dead.
@studentofsweetscience I agree that Walcott might have thought that Marciano was not on his level but I think he knew he had to hold his ground and get Marciano's respect, especially early in the fight. Also, it would be very hard for somebody to move for 15 rounds without running out of gas. Marciano actually got stronger as the fight went on. His conditioning and belief in his strength were unbelievable. Walcott was incredibly slick but also tough and powerful in his own right.Some of the exchanges they had in the middle rounds were ferocious. Neither fighter had any fear of the other. The lead left hook that dropped Marciano early was a great shot . Walcott starched the great Ezzard Charles with a similar punch. It seemed like once Marciano got warmed up he became almost indestructible, because Walcott hit him with much harder shots later in the fight and Marciano didn't blink. This was no doubt a great fight between 2 truly great fighters.
@studentofsweetscience I had Walcott winning the Joe Louis fight as most people did, however Marciano was a pure pressure fighter where Louis was a stand up boxer. Walcott was able to rest in spaces throughout the Louis fight. Marciano forced the pace by constantly coming forward. No doubt Walcott was in tremendous shape and didn't really slow down much in the Marciano fight. He just got caught on the chin by one of the great shots in ring history. Jersey Joe Walcott's courage might have cost him the championship. Right before the knockout shot, Walcott backed up to the ropes trying to make Marciano walk into a shot. Marciano shuffled forward and threw a range finding jab that was not intended to land but to measure Walcott. The jab also turned his shoulders , putting Marciano into perfect position to launch the right hand with full leverage. They both threw right hands at the same time. Marciano started his right slightly before Walcott started his and the rest is history. I had Walcott ahead on points but the tide was turning. In the middle and especially the late rounds Walcott started to realize that he couldn't knockout Marciano which is why he started to box and move a lot more. I thought Walcott fought an almost perfect fight but that one mistake cost him the title. If you look closely, after Walcott landed the great left hook that dropped Rocky in the first round, Marciano got up on steady legs and went right at Walcott and won the rest of that round. The fact that Marciano was able to recover so quickly from a knockout shot like that is one of the reasons he was so hard to beat.
@@mariealbergo7991 Two great fighters one over rated the other underrated, but both great fighters.
@@spirgtudsrubec7776 i smell the brown bomber troll
Walcott's brain froze or he gassed. Why did he stopped moving like he had done up till then? Incomprehensible.
So much respect for ALL these greats. Warriors, Gladiators, MEN. Never hate on any man that’s willing to get in the ring. They are scared, yet they are feared. What a great fight! Beautiful fight between two beautiful champions.
But wow they had to scrape Walcott off the canvas
great comment perfectly put
Couldn't have put it better myself Mr. Hinkle well said. 👍
Addressed to John Hinkle. I couldn't have said this better myself you are correct sir
♦️How many losses did the BEST Heavyweight Champions of All Time have: Lewis 2,, Holmes 6,, Ali 5,, Vitali 2,, Foreman 5,, Tyson 6,, Wladimir 5,, Bowe 1,, Liston 4,, Louis 3,, Holyfield 10,, Frazier 4,, Norton 7,, Tunney 1,, Dempsey 6,, Jack Johnson 11....Who's missing? Oh, little Marciano is missing. Why? "SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES" -- Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott 49W 20L 39-Year Old Club Fighter.
Joe Louis 66W 3L Over The Hill Came Back From The Dead Before Count Dracula.
Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Ezzard Charles 95W 25L Club Fighter With More Beatings Than Curley of The Three Stooges.
Welterweight-Middleweight-Lightheavyweight-Lightcruiserweight-Archie Moore 186W 23L 41-Year Old Grandfather was Factually Born in 1913. Archie was Already Fightin Professionally When tiny Rocky was Only 12-Years Old!!!
Pick a Decade.. 60s,, 70s,, 80s,, 90s,, 2000s? He would have been destroyed in all of them! Little Marciano only steered towards zombies and mediocre opposition at best.. "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
Great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...a beast in the ring...and class outside of it...put The Rock in with anyone!
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
"Rocky would often take a nap in the dressing room before a big fight. The kid had ice water in his veins." -- Rocky's manager Charlie Goldman
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is
this was the greatest effort of walcott's career, he fought like a man possessed, not wanting to give up the belt. and ironically he engaged in a slugfest with Marciano despite the fact that he was a slick boxer. one of the best fights ive ever seen. these guys were throwing haymakers from the opening bell. Marciano was the greatest late round fighter that ever lived.
That Right of his!!!
Gotta give Marcianos pressure, aggression n his power punching credit for Jersey Joe having a slugfest, it was that or get KOd defending/Waltzing
The most overlooked and underrated aspect of Marcianos game was that he was really difficult to keep at the end of your punches and land the jab on. His overall defense wasn’t anything special but his jab defense in particular was really good, he rarely got hit with jabs as a contender to champion
yeah but jersey joe got knocked out in the rematch in the 1st round because he remembered the 13th round shot that crippled him and he could have gotten up but didn't want to take another shot from old rocky
Jersey Joe Walcott was 38 in this fight and Rocky 29! That is quite a big age gap. That's why Rocky is not rated as the greatest, he did fight a lot of older fighters, Joe Loius and Archie Moore, etc! Rocky also had big gaps between fighting to keep himself strong!
Yes he had huge punching power, but i don't he could have handled Joe Frazier let alone ALI!
Ezzard Charles spit his nose in their first fight, ALI would have cut his face to ribbons and the fight would have been stopped!
ALI beat Liston, Frazier, Norton and Foreman! Rocky never fought men of that caliber, except Ezzard!
Incredible fight. Everyone remembers the KO at the ending, but I (having to seen it in a few years) forgot what an incredible brawl it was before the 13th. New respect for both men. Two of my favorite heavys.
Anyway I scored it
1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 11, and 12 for Walcott
Marciano won 3, 5, 9, and 10. He definitely needed that KO to win.
Respect.
How did you score round 6? I gave 6 to Marciano.
Well there were 3 more rds to go so who knows what the cards would said aside what a fight guts and glory...and to think the gloves were a hellva thinner than today's gloves. Rocky took a beating but gave as good as he got
@@robertwilkinson5971 As I understand it, gloves are to protect hands, not heads. Maybe in totality more padding allows more hard punches to be thrown? And it looks like Rocky gave slightly better than he got...
no matter how many rounds he got the KO failed walcott!!
Don't be fooled by his size or awkward style, Marciano was a beast.
Marciano Magnificent Perfection
Wherever Marciano went, destruction followed
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
MARCIANO=PERFECTION!
Marciano hits like a bolt of lightning, I had to rewind the viedo 5 times to see the right hand knock out punch, unbelievable indurance and power.
Same here. Couldn't hardly catch it he swung so fast.
I did the same, I think I rewatched that knock out punch 8 or 10 times, it didn’t even look like it was much, but when you saw Joe Walcott’s head jerk back and to the right, you knew that was a super powerful right hand, so fast, and the left that followed didn’t help Joe much either, what a fight, modern day gladiators for their time, these men made boxing exciting, The Rock always was, and still is one of my all time favorites to this day.
I totally agree. I know for a fact that the hand is quicker than the eye and the camera too, but man at 56:33 I played that video over and over again and never could see Rocky's glove actually contact Walcott's head. I honestly could not swear that I actually saw that punch connect. This is not the first time I saw a quicker than the eye punch though. But most of the time I can stop the film and see the contact. This time I could not.
@@tonyhelton2788 Took a "dive"?
@booch326 took a dive after he got jackhammered by Rocky's right hand
I am glad things like this will be archived hopefully someday. Along with the fight you get to see a young George Benton and not so young ,but not old Jimmy Bivins, Sugar Ray Robinson with the other fighters, good stuff. Thank You.
No matter how old Walcott was in this bout, he gave Rocky his toughest fight other than Charles. Walcott got better age, crafty, slick, a ring cutie. Had it gone to distance he would've won on points.....Rocky is just pure class, not many escaped his KO power. RIP to both of these legends...gotta love this sport
this was Marciano's first ass whooping, he was never the same again
Hedz B ass whooping?!what fight were you watching?!
Bun B don't forget the great other Charles the cobra in Cincinnati Ohio that was a brawl as well Ezzard Charles
Bun B
I like wat yer saying but theres no way Jersey Joe was gonna win that on points.
Rocky had him on the way out from rd 9 on, it was only Joes guts, heart, skillz n pride that was keeping him in it.
Rocky wore him down with top class pressure.
@@dannyburch2122 I assume that's who he meant.
Never a more devastating single punch in boxing history. It was perfect.
Ray Mancini said it was textbook… Like his glove barely left his chest… Short accurate… Right on the button
It could have sunk an aircraft carrier. Imagine being on the other end of it. A dark specter.
@@MaximusWolfe Rocky was very appropriate at the post fight press conference,he was a true champion,word
Archie Moore's turn finally arrived in 1952 when he was a veteran of, at a conservative estimate, 170 contests. He had enlisted the help of leading writers to campaign on his behalf. The world light heavyweight champion, Joey Maxim, was an Italian-American whose real name was Giuseppe Antonio Berardinelli. Maxim's manager, Jack "Doc" Kearns, who had managed the great 1920s heavyweight Jack Dempsey, insisted on Maxim being paid $100,000 in return for allowing the fight to go ahead in St Louis. Moore took what was left, which turned out to be $800. By the time he had paid off his sparring partners and other pre-fight expenses, there was nothing left.
Nevertheless, he won the world light heavyweight title at the age of 39. After the decision, he walked over to Maxim, but was brushed aside by Kearns. "Never mind the condolences, kid," said the old man. "We've got all the money." More than that, Kearns had threatened to pull Maxim out of the fight unless Moore cut him in as his co-manager. Moore had signed - and then discovered Kearns had also negotiated a rematch clause. As a result, Moore had to beat Maxim twice more. Kearns earned a fortune.
*This is another perfect example of how the underworld monopolized every single facet of boxing during that era. The International Boxing Club Mafioso President Norris and his Boss Carbo owned Marciano's manager Al Weill. Including ticket sales they took 60% of everything Marciano earned. They had theiy collar-n-leash around Marciano and made Millions!!!
this is important information you give here. But I don't think it takes away from Marciano's greatness.
@@andrewmartin538 it sure does..
Also when Moore knocked Rocky down they gave him a 20+ count to get up
They insured he wasn't gonna lose
Moore was aged very aged and still smh
@@WARS187 no ! They did not give him a 20 count ! Were did you get this stuff ! He got up emediatly! You have no facts and bpno credibility. You are a racist.
RIP, Rocky. Undefeated, nobody can ever take that away.
Undefeated cause he retiered young. JOE Louis had to keep fighting after his prime ,becaus the govetment got him in Debt while he served in world war 2.
@@lovenlightman spelling isn't your strong point is it?
BAlboa Rocky ?
Few fights too
id agree if walcott and others werent much older over the hill fighters i dont know but i think lewis was older not sure
The chins these guys used to have, it's unbelievable
Would of hated to see some of these guys in later life.they would be vegetables.
@@joshuatree5620 ... yea I knew a man back in the early 1980's from the late 40's and 50's pro boxing scene in Oakland ca. ... he was damaged severely from the " sport " .... walked with a limp .. had a slurred speech impediment ... drooled from his mouth considerably ... he was a vibrant man despite his permanent injuries .... God bless him ....
And I'll bet they had little to no padding in those gloves. 🙄
@@joshuatree5620 well recived
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In the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8, "Mr. Boxing, himself," Nat Fleischer rated him at # 10 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (survey of a group of historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
*SO HOW EXACTLY DOES A LITTLE 184 POUND CRUISERWEIGHT WITH DWARFISM ARMS POSSIBLY GO FROM 7TH 8TH 9TH & 10th PLACE DURING THE 60s AND EARLY 70s TO TOP THREE (3) IN 2023???*
*Bcus his ranking is now determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation.* That's why little 165lb Heavyweight champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of 240lb Riddick Bowe who only lost "one" time. How's it possible 185lb Marciano ranks higher than Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Vitali, Bowe, Wladimir, Fury etcetera??? *Well now we all know why!!!*
Somehow ranking bodies manage to *exclude WEIGHT from their metric* even though they *ACKNOWLEDGE SEVENTEEN (17) DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,* imagine that.
The computer only sees what it's programmed to see. Algorithms only see Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0, it doesn't see Charles had ALS and 41yr old Moore was a light heavyweight moonlighting at Heavyweight. The algorithms cannot see 37yr old Louis was forced to come out of retirement and 39yr old Journeyman Walcott was given 6 attempts at the title bcus the division was so weak. *THAT'S WHY RANKINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKED UPON WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!*
Wow, two titans smashing each other. I had no idea of how formidable Walcott was. And the relentlessly attacking Marciano is a sight to behold.
Marciano was always coming at you even if you hurt him. Much respect to both.
Yes
How they didn't both have broken ribs I don't know
First off comparing what round who beat who is nonsensical. Styles make fights. Ali went 15 rounds almost with Chuck Wepner and the year before knocked Foreman in his peak out in 8 rounds. In your ridiculous theory you're saying Chuck Wepner was way better than Foreman! Yeah right! Furthermore no fighter was ever better conditioned than Rocky. Read his training regimen. Rocky's lunches hit with the same force as an armor piercing bullet. Get that an armor piercing bullet. He beat every person he was ever in front of and was often a a big size disadvantage. He stalked you the entire fight and applied pressure like no other fighter. He had a killer instinct that maybe only Tyson, Foreman, and Liston could have matched. And would have given any heavyweight in history fits with his style. 49-0 with 43ko's. No one even close to that in history! His prime was later than most but what a prime he had for about 5 years. And was smart enough to quit on top and be remembered as a legend and all time great that he is!
Walcott in the day was a monster!
In his prime jersey Joe would have beat Rocky!!
70 years later and this is still impressive.
Indeed. What an abrupt ending!
Southpaw Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over a comfortable 222 lb Usyk who is 6' 3" with 78" reach.
Holyfield was 6' 2.5" 218 lbs with 78" reach.
Michael Spinks was 6' 2.5" 208 lbs with 76" reach.
Prime Clay/Ali was 6' 2.5" (passport) 212 lbs with 78" reach.
And of course we mustn't forget 5'10" 186 lb Marciano with his famous shortest-ever 67" flyweight reach.
Shocking isn't it.
Those other small guys weren't so small after all.
They already had the natural height and reach so they were able to assimilate into the Heavyweight division with few problems.
On the other hand 186 lb Marciano had some serious dwarfism problems going on with his reach. Simply put Marciano's bone structure was too short to assimilate effectively.
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike. 1980's 20yr old phenom Mike easily KO's Rocky 10 outta 10 times!
If little Marciano had just ONE draw (48-0-1) everyone would have abandoned his ship long ago. But his '0' is the ONLY thing that keeps him afloat. Marciano's top 10 ranking is determined by computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man made program was coded to exclude WEIGHT from the equation. That's why 165 lb 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. How's it possible 185 lb Marciano ranks higher than Fury Ibeabuchi Holmes Lewis Bowe Vitali Wladimir Foreman etcetera? Now we know why. Even though Heavyweight champions ranged from 165 to 275 lbs, ranking bodies still exclude WEIGHT from their metric, yet they acknowledge (17) different WEIGHT classes, imagine that. Top 10 rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt!!! Unfortunately Rocky fanboys cling to his ranking as if it were life and death.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Dwight Muhammad Qawi and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson, which was not easy to do in their primes. And he beat the real heavyweight champion to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.
Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Moore Lost (23) times and was KOd (7) times. Would Marciano still be considered an ATG if he had 29 wins 20 losses? Of course not. Then why is Charles/Moore ranked higher than Spinks? Because they fought little Marciano which automatically makes them immortal even though they Lost "FORTY-EIGHT" times and were "KTFO-FOURTEEN" times. It's no wonder HOF Greats Jimmy Cannon and Bert Sugar said, "Marciano's era was horseshit."
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 You're a crazy brown person, aren't you?
Thank you for sharing this bout! Walcott will have a rematch vs Rocky, losing it in less than 3 minutes then retire.
One thing that helped Marciano a lot was his excellent conditioning. The opponent was not going to win by tiring him out.
His age
Yeah, kept coming for 15 rounds. Frazier in the first Ali fight was the only other heavyweight that comes to mind who was able to sustain such intensity like that.
Archie Moore went on a 21 fight streak before he faced Rocky Marciano. Moore's numbers may not lie, but numbers minus context can easily lead to distortion. So let's examine those 21 opponents (not in order).
Bobo Olson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Clinton Bacon 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Harold Johnson 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Harold Johnson (twice) 170 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim (twice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Joey Maxim (thrice) 174 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Dogomar Martinez 175 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Sonny Andrews 177 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Rinaldo Ansaloni 178 lb WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Jimmy Slade 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Bob Dunlap 180 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Clarence Henry 184 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Toxie Hall 188 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Bert Whitehurst 186 lbs WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS?
Frank Buford 199 lbs had a career record 22 wins 32 losses (F-level) with (two) 2% KOs
Al Spaulding 210 lbs had a career 25 wins 27 losses (F-level) with an abysmal 24% KOs
Leonard Dugan 209 lbs had a career 6 wins 2 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 25% KOs
Bob Baker 209 lbs had a career 51 wins 16 losses (D-level) with an abysmal 29% KOs
Nino Valdes 209 lbs had a career 48 wins 18 losses (D-level) with a low-power 51% KOs
Nino Valdes 209 lbs (twice)
2 legend boxers. RIP..
This fight just makes my respect for Jersey Joe grow even more. He was slicker than oil, could punch like a sledgehammer, especially with the hook, he knew every trick in the book, and in this fight looked almost ready to defend his title to the death if need be.
Jersey Joe was way underrated, in my opinion. One helluva fighter, grew up in tough times. In my personal Hall of Fame.
ATG.
Little 184 lb cruiser Rocky with 67" flyweight reach was a great champ in his own era and a credit to the sport of boxing, however he boxed in a weak post war drained era where boxers from yesteryear ruled the roost, Rocky, in fact never beat one 200+lbs, prime, genuine Heavyweight and struggled badly with some of the old opposition that he did beat. *Since then there's been many, many other topnotch genuine 220 to 300+lbs Heavyweights similar to:*
Miller - 333 lbs
Zhang - 287
Joyce - 280
Fury - 277
Ngannou - 272
Makhmudov - 260
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Foreman - 260
Lennox - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Wladimir - 245
Parker - 250
Bowe - 245
Anderson - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Sanchez - 245
Whyte - 250
Joshua - 250
Ruddock - 245
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Liston - 220
Tyson - 220
Thomas - 225
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Wilder - 230
Lyle - 220
Usyk - 222
Holmes - 218
Ali - 218
*Marciano - 184*
Zhang weighs 287. Fury 277. Ngannou 272. Makhmudov 260. Briggs 265. Ruiz 265. Grant 265. Foreman 260. Lennox 250. Vitali 250. Peter 250. Joshua 250. *Marciano 184 with 67" flyweight reach.* The average Heavyweight today weighs 250 with 80" albatross reach! *I know, i know Rocky fans still believe he could beat every Heavyweight that ever existed bcz he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , bcz when he walked the earth shook.* Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67" (1.70 meters) incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison, today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". And all the PEDs in the world ain't gonna help little dwarfism-arms grow longer. *I'm not being disrespectful, only realistic. Rocky was fantastic against light heavyweights but it would have been entirely different against topnotch Super Heavyweights.* Important. Willard/Carnera were also big but circus clowns!
Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
My Dad said he was the best in his prime, but didn't get a proper chance. And he saw them all, into the mid 1990s.
40 Marciano opponents: We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Professional boxers can easily be evaluated using US school grades A, B, C, D, and F.
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs (F-level)
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs (F-level)
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs (D-level)
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs (F-level)
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs (F-level)
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs (F-level)
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs (D to F-level)
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs (D-level)
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs (F-level)
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs (F-level)
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs (F-level)
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs (F-level)
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs (D to F-level)
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs (D-level)
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs (D-level)
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs (D to F-level)
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs (F-level)
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs (D-level)
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs (D-level)
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs (D-level)
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs (D-level)
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs (D-level)
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see who he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-level resume. Problem is he was a natural middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight. Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. I thought this was the Heavyweight division? Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Even Marciano's best 3 opponents; Walcott-Charles-Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0...D AND F-LEVEL HOMELESS WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$...NUMBERS DO NOT LIE
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine
I have a feeling that right hand that took Joe down would have killed an average man. I'm a big Marciano fan but became a bit annoyed when the announcer constantly mentioned Joe's age. They both took one hell of a beating that night!
howard Cosell would have done a much better job
The announcer did that in most of Marciano's fights,probably to demean rocky's ability.
That last right didn't connect Walcott took a drive.
kevlarunderwear22 Cosell would have talked about the evils of boxing for 14 rounds. How fun is that?
johnny brize Probablh because it was true and its an important factor in the “story” of a fight.
The amount of punishment they took was incredible, especially Rocky.
"Why waltz with a guy for 10 rounds if you can knock him out in one?" - Rocky Marciano
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
Wow... in awe...
Real fighters fighting real fights.. hard days
Thank you for uploading this video. Im a massive boxing fan and really enjoyed this boxing match.
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles only weighed 181 pounds when he won his 'vacant' Super Heavyweight title against cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott in 1949. Exactly two years later Charles weighed a massive 182 pounds when he lost his Super Heavyweight title to you guessed it, 194 pound Journeyman Joe again. The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time. Five of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott Loss!!!
So how the heck did Walcott get 6 attempts at the Heavyweight Championship? Because the so-called 'Heavyweight' division was nonexistent and he was the closest to being a genuine Heavyweight. The 200+lb Heavyweights that did exist (Jackson, Wilson, Shkor) were D and F-level boxers. 254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had a career 4 wins 3 losses (F-level). 230 lb Bill Wilson had a career 40 wins 20 losses (F-level) and an abysmal 30% KOs. 220 lb Johnny Shkor had a career 50 wins 20 losses and an abysmal 40% KOs.
Journeyman Joe was C-level at best. Overall he Lost (20) times and was KOd (6) times. Walcott's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles, Light heavyweight Joey Maxim and Light heavyweight Harold Johnson. Light heavyweight Charles Lost (25) times and was KOd (7) times. Light heavyweight Maxim Lost (29) times. Light heavyweight Johnson Lost (11) times and was KO'd (5) times. Light heavyweight Archie Moore Lost (23) times was and KOd (7) times. Would it have been ok if Marciano Lost (25) times and was KTFO (7) times? Of course not. If little Marciano had so much as a 'Draw', he wouldn't even be ranked top 20.
Lennox constantly catches heck for being KO'd twice. Liston constantly catches heck for losing to Light heavyweight Marty Marshall early in his career. Yet it's perfectly fine for Charles, Walcott and Moore to be KOd 20 times combined and lose 68 times.
Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott were heavyweight champions.
Man gets knocked down for the first time in his career...he's gets cut...blinded for 3 or 4 rounds...JJW is pounding the shit out of him...he's behind on all scorecards...and then in the 13th round..."POW"...he throws the best right hand ever...KO's Joe Walcott...and wins the title!!! The man was a FIGHTER...he wasn't there to do anything else!
Knocked out an old man. And had PLENTY of trouble. Not Impressive at all.
Not impressive? You're kidding!
Jim Cushman Why would I be impressed with a man who is more than 12 years younger than his Old Opponent winning a fight in which he was LOSING, GOT CUT, HURT AND KNOCKED DOWN???????
You mean when Ali beat Liston...who was 10 years older than Ali....
...Brian London...who was 8 years older than Ali....George Chuvalo...was was 5 years older than Ali...Floyd Patterson...who was 7 years older than Ali...Cleveland Williaams...who was 9 years older than Ali.....you mean Zora Folley...who was 11 years older than Ali. You mean Henry Cooper...who was 8 years older than Ali?These are the ages of Ali's opponents when he was in his prime from 1963 to 1967. You wanna talk ages?
Ali wasn't knocked down, cut, beat up and behind in those fights. THAT'S THE POINT! He handled those fighters the way he was SUPPOSED TO. So did Tyson when HE was younger. THAT'S THE POINT! NOT THE AGE.
Marciano didn’t beat an old man. He eat a great fighter during an excellent stretch in his in career. Joe Walcott is an all time great and did some of his best boxing at the end of his career.
But he was old, just like the other fighters he fought.
The Rock fought who was in font of him but his defenses were against older past their prime fighters.
I'm 52 now , looking back when i was in my 30s I was still in my prime
38 is only old to lazy, fat, chain-smoking slobs.
@@rrizo6846 everybody is past their prime in their thirties, though they may think they're not.
Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott's 20 losses:
*1.* ln 1930 Walcott lost to 159-lb Palmer. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *SEVEN* years old.
*2.* In 1930 Walcott lost to 158-lb Carl Mays. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *EIGHT* years old.
*3.* In 1933 Walcott lost to 177-lb Henry Taylor. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TEN* years old.
*4.* In 1936 Walcott was *KOd* by 191-lb Al Ettore. Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old.
*5.* In 1936 Walcott lost to 179-lb Billy Ketchell. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTEEN* years old.
*6.* In 1937 Walcott was *KOd* by 178-lb Tiger Jack Fox. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old.
*7.* In 1937 Walcott lost to 174-lb George Brothers. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FOURTEEN* years old.
*8.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 184-lb Tiger Jack Fox AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old.
*9.* In 1938 Walcott lost to 197-lb Roy Lazer. Marciano was *FIFTEEN* years old.
*10.* In 1940 Walcott was *KOd* and sent into *RETIREMENT* for *3-years* by 256-lb Abe Simon. A Super Heavyweight in every sense, he benefitted from a remarkable sixty-two pound weight advantage. Behind in points in the first five rounds, Simon unleashed a tremendous right @ 2:32 into the sixth causing the knockout. Walcott barely moved as he was counted out." -- Wiki* ..Simon was sent into *permanent RETIREMENT* by Joe Louis in 1942. Marciano was *SEVENTEEN* years old.
*11.* In 1945 Walcott lost to 204-lb Johnny Allen who had more losses than wins. Marciano was *TWENTY TWO* years old.
*12.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 179-lb Joey Maxim. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old.
*13.* In 1946 Walcott lost to 191-lb Elmer Ray. Marciano was *TWENTY THREE* years old.
*14.* In 1947 Walcott lost to 212-pound Joe Louis. *JOE LOUIS SAID HE BEAT WALCOTT IN THIS BOUT.. LOUIS ALSO SAID WALCOTT WAS OLDER THAN HE WAS (@ Louis vs. Walcott The Way it Was Part 1 and 2).* Marciano was *TWENTY FOUR* years old.
*15.* In 1948 Walcott was *KOd* by 213-lb Joe Louis. Louis barely got through the Journeyman so he announced his retirement March 1, 1949. Louis's once speedy reflexes were gone and it showed. Marciano was *TWENTY FIVE* years old.
*16.* In 1949 Walcott lost to 181-lb Ezzard Charles. This fight was for the *"vacant"* Heavyweight title. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY SIX* years old.
*17.* In 1950 Walcott lost to 192-lb Rex Layne. Marciano was *TWENTY SEVEN* years old.
*18.* In 1951 Walcott lost to 185-lb Ezzard Charles AGAIN. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY EIGHT* years old.
*19.* In 1952 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *TWENTY NINE* years old.
*IT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION THAT WALCOTT WAS IN HIS PRIME vs. MARCIANO BECAUSE IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!! AND JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY HE WAS PRIME DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE!!! PUT WALCOTT AT (( 29 )) AND MARCIANO AT (( 38 )) - WHAT HAPPENS???*
*20.* In 1953 Walcott was *KOd* by 184-lb Rocky Marciano. *WHERE'S THE HEAVYWEIGHTS.* Marciano was *THIRTY* years old and Walcott was very close to *FORTY!!!*
*It was advantageous that Marciano started late because he was fresh while the others were already smashed around lik' bowling pins for (15) years. Also little Rocky did have an extensive amateur career. His uncle hung a heavy bag in the back yard when he was only 10 years old, and he had years of daily sparing while he was in the military.*
This is the best fight of Walcott's career. It is astounding that he didn't demolish Rocky -- aside from knocking him down with a left hook that knocked out Ezzard Charles, he was lifting Marciano off the canvas in the later rounds. Incredible bout.
Unlucky 13 round for Wolcott Lucky 13 for Rocky!
@@frankpaya690 ws
A right to the chin knocked joe out cold...unconcious...lights out...
Ali would have chopped Rocky to pieces. Rocky would never lay a glove on Ali.
@@richardscott7377 I agree ,Rocky would be swinging his devastating punches at fresh air ha !.
Rocky Marciano was Champion of the World and in his career never lost one fight.
Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL* Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that's still capable of winning a title. Layne scores an extremely low *15 points* for his top 10 ranked appearances throughout his career. *Who did he beat?* His best win *was against Walcott* but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.*
Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL* Walcott scores *55 points* for his top 10 positions. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. *He's more famous for his losses than his wins.* Ali scored *164 points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77* and little Marciano only scored *48 points!* Ali is the only Heavyweight with an *A+ LEVEL.* Marciano is *B-LEVEL* for his *weak competition* and *lack of points.* *(I'll ad a comment below thoroughly explaining Walcott's C-LEVEL resume in detail).*
Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a-low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156 points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight because *(23)* losses is *too many.* Ali only had *5,* Louis only had *3,* Lennox only had *2,* Wladimir only had *5,* Liston only had *4,* Vitali only had *2,* Bowe only had *1* etc. *BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!!* Well little Rocky only had *49* so *stop whining.*
Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.* Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are *Meaningless.* If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just like undisputed undefeated light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks was. --- *ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."*
*People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
*In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."*
*Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS, who was like fodder fed to a pitbull, kinda like when they fed Larry Holmes to an angry Mike Tyson, or allowed Ali to be served up to Holmes.
After little white Rocky abruptly 'Quit' boxing during his 'Prime' he immediately abandoned his family to sleep with thousands, then left them penniless. What a soab - Classy guy though.
You are in every comment section of Marcianos fights with multiple different accounts bashing him, posting the same nonsense to discredit him and then upvoting your own comments. 😂😂😂
Probably some dumb n……
You are a LOSER.
Wow! Both such terrific heavyweights! Walcott had already KO'd both Joe Louis & Ezzard Charles, eventually losing this one to Marciano...Rd. 13 (at 56: 33), Rocky throws the hardest shot ever seen (before or since!) to become the new champ... Bravo! Arguably the greatest heavyweight title fight ever filmed. Thanks for posting it! Addio e buona fortuna, cari amici... JC & fam.
Walcott never KO'd Joe Louis.
Sorry, John. Walcott never KO'd Joe Louis.
The knockout punch wasn't even the hardest Marcino threw in that fight, let alone 'the hardest shot ever seen'.
Walcott had ko'd Joe Louis?
In which season of I just Made that Up did they show that?
We just watched two of the best fighters in the world! And one Rocky Marciano the number one pound for pound undisputed undefeated champion of the world! Undefeated till this day undefeated forever. No question or arguing Rocky Marciano goes down as the best to ever lace up the gloves. 👑
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Little Marciano will always be my favorite fighter but I'm a realist that understands his limitations. The several ATG fighters that Rocky did face were all light heavyweights that simply moved up for the money because the division was completely void of any quality authentic 200+ lb Heavyweights. Name me ONE quality Heavyweight Rocky fought?
One of the best ever, for sure
ROCKY ONLY HAD SIX TITLE DEFENSES,...GTFOH...
@@aarondigby9859 I think it should go by losses. Ali lost 5 fights. Lost the title. Rocky never lost. He's the greatest of all time.
Yeah it's a pretty safe bet he'll remain undefeated forever
Immediately after Bert said that, Bill Gallo chimes in and says, *"Ray Arcel was a good friend of mine and he told me he loved Ezzard Charles like a son."* -- which brings us to whatever happened to the famous Ray Arcel ???
*"After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police."* --Wiki
*"In the early fifties, Arcel ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by the IBC, known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran."* --International Boxing Hall Of Fame
*And Sports journalist Bert Sugar was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for his vast amount of boxing knowledge. Mr. Sugar was widely regarded as the “boxing bible." Sugar wrote more than 80 books and was ranked as "The Greatest Boxing Writer of the 20th Century" by the International Veterans Boxing Association. Among his boxing books are Sting like a Bee, Great Fights, Bert Sugar on Boxing, 100 Years of Boxing, The 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time, The Thrill of Victory, The Ageless Warrior and Boxing's Greatest Fighters.*
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
90% of little white opponents were journeymen, and the rest were small cruiserweight has-beens with twice as many fights on the downward slide. Considering all his B-Level opposition and the fact that he 'Quit' during his 'Prime' , 49-0 really isn't that fantastic.
One of the most underrated heavyweight championship bouts.
It’s pretty iconic actually
No fighter on the planet would have beat Jersey Joe that night except Rocky Marciano. Joe fought great that night. Rocky was indestructible!
Hall of Fame All Time Great Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, yet only lost by split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
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Fourteen months after Marciano fights Moore he calls the Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore match at-ringside. The defeatism in Marciano's voice is undeniably resigned to futility. He is flabbergasted at Patterson's blinding speed and immediately realizes it would be pointless to make a comeback even though every sportswriter across America is begging him to come out of retirement after Patterson just walked through everything Moore threw without blinking and KO’d Archie in 5.
Directly after Patterson beat Moore for the vacant heavyweight championship Cus D'Amato suggested that the return of Rocky Marciano to the ring would be most welcome and would draw "the greatest gate in history." Marciano "declined" --written by Vault | SI 1956
It says in the book-( The Greatest Fights.. That Never Were ) -by Matthew Bazell, that Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Patterson. Marciano was offered 2 MILLION dollars. The Patterson people including Cus wanted that fight so bad. But Marciano wouldn't take it no matter how much he was offered.
( Marciano discusses his multi-million dollar offers @-( The Marciano Tapes #3 )
[[ Floyd Patterson vs. Archie Moore by SPORTvidos ]]
Rocky Marciano would have demolished Floyd Patterson with the greatest of ease. No defeatism in Rocky Marciano, that was reserved for all his opponents, Rocky couldn't be beat period..
James D. Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of 'Blinky' Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious Italian mobsters) created The International Boxing Club Of New York (IBC) to control boxing and everybody involved.
A superb match-up, both great fighters! Study the middle rds! Fierce blows, but Marciano's KO of Walcott was in the 13th. Imagine it as only a 12 rd. fight (like now), without "Championship rds" (13-15). Walcott would've won on points in 12. Instead, Marciano's 13th rd KO shot was the hardest punch ever thrown in the division. A grand post, bravo! Many thanks!!!
if was only 12 rounds ,marciano would have applied more pressure earlier,same result
Oh you didn’t see the late left.
@@johnmcnair1477 The left? Just pointing Joe to the canvas...nothing more.
Consider that in the December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Rocky Marciano finishing a distant 9th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 9th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’ 5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Rocky?
This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 9, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 9 all time Heavyweight and 67 years have passed since Rocky retired.
EXPLAIN HOW LITTLE 185 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 9TH PLACE DURING THE EARLY 1960s TO TOP 5 HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2023?
Because his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT "WEIGHT" CLASSES,,, imagine that?
"AGE" is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms don't see Moore was already fightin professionally when little rocky was only TWELVE YEARS old. Algorithms don't see Charles and Moore were "light" heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Algorithms don't see Joe Louis's reflexes were non-existent and he clearly telegraphed his punches. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 Hall of Famers and went 49-0.. That's why all Heavyweight rankings should be looked upon with a grain of salt.
Just like you speculateers would bet on the 130# Wolf over 50# Wolverine....and you'd lose watching the wolf become Wolverine scat...OR... bet on the bigger Jackal over a Honeybadger and be wrong again...lol
Rocky was like them and trained to be that tuff...!
It only takes one good hit and if you watch Rocky carefully he patiently waits for that split second opening to appear while he nonstop pummels away...!
One can notice Tyson once rocked good gets scared which is why he goes in with both guns blazing unless someone clocks him enuff his reaction and fearfulness is apparent where Rocky just keeps coming and fights close on the inside where the bigger longer reached fighters are useless and kept off guard and he never lets up- Esp never ending liver & rib shots you can hear and sêê the reverb effects...!
So - to each his own opinion...!
It's not the ranking system's fault that you are stupid. Boxers are ranked compared to their competition of the time. 70 years ago boxers didn't have human growth hormone, steroids and other drugs that improve performance. The very same Rocky born today (or any fighter of his era) would have been taller and stronger, if only from better nutrition of the modern age. Now go back to your mom's basement and play your video games.
Marciano is the single greatest fighter this sport will ever produce!
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
HEROES GET REMEMBERED, BUT LEGENDS NEVER DIE!
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
I remember my grandfather telling me about this fight. Most men that talked about this fight and they had their own opinions on the fight. Thank you for sharing this video so we can watch and witness what our grandparents and parents thought about this fight.
*ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano @**35:01** Bert Sugar said, "His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."*
*People forget when they talk about the fights between Marciano and Ezzard Charles that Charles was showing symptoms of ALS. William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS, (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
*In summary:* Ray Arcel who loved Ezzard like a son, said, *"Charles had traces of ALS in 51."* Ezzard's own family members said, *"they noticed signs of ALS in 51."* Ezzard Charles (himself) said he, *"felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 51."*
*Trying to deny the fact that Charles had weakness in his limbs (ALS) against Marciano in 1954 is not possible because the eye test does not lie. It happened and is well documented so it can never be swept under the carpet. That horrible Motor neurone gene presented itself in 1951 if not earlier. Ezzard Charles was only 53 when he passed - Rest easy champ.*
Any excuse will do.
@@michaelmettry6120 Lou Gehrig's Disease is not an excuse.
Had enough strength to sign the contracts and cash the checks though. Guess we should ignore the 8 ko victories he had between '51 and the loss to Marciano.
@@manny4mayor He didn't have 8 KO's. ALL yer credibility just flew out the window. Try again Mr. Whiteboy.
*Famous physicist Stephen Hawking lived with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or Lou Gehrig's disease for 55 years after he was diagnosed in 1963.* Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainers Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* ... Charles lost the title to Walcott in 51. He attempted to regain the title 3 times, losing once to Walcott in 52 and twice to Marciano in 54. *There's no room for debate. Too many reputable witnesses. Charles was 100% factually handicapped when he fought Marciano!*
Announcers haven't always been afraid of dead air, it's refreshing. Being able to watch a fight without constant talking about non fight related topics, or someone trying to tell you what you're seeing.
I like that it gives ex boxers jobs and they can occasionally be insightful but if there were a button to push and all I could hear was the crowd and the fighters, I would push it.
THE 3 BIGGER OPPONENTS little MARCIANO FOUGHT:
254 lb amateur Humphrey "The-Bum" Jackson had 4 wins 3 losses, all against smaller opponents.
229 lb Bill "Soccer-ball" Wilson lost (27) times, all against smaller opponents.
220 lb Johnny "Tooth-pick" Shkor lost (19) times, all against smaller opponents.
And this is why we 'NEVER' hear about any of Marciano's 'bigger' opponents as they were D and F-level undercard boxers being paid with room-n-board to pad records.
Teddy Brenner, who worked for Al Weill in the late-1940s and subsequently became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing, later acknowledged, “Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter, he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager, he was controlled by Carbo.”
In May 1949, Weill became the matchmaker for the International Boxing Club. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. Marciano wasn’t the first fighter to be moved by people of influence. Nor will he be the last.
It’s what happened after the first LaStarza fight that really blemished Marciano’s career by taking a major step back in competition. Rocky’s handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat.
His next opponent was F-level Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was F-level Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses. Marciano was picking and choosing his fights his entire career.
Marciano's 32nd fight was against F-level Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses. His 33rd fight was against F-level Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses. 34th fight was against F-level Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses. And his 35th fight was against F-level Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses.
It's clear as day Frankie Carbo and Al Weill padded Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: "Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"
The best ever, Rocky Marciano. 49-0 unmatched in the heavyweight division. I find myself continually defending him against comparison to modern day fighters. Modern day athletes are bigger, stronger, and enjoy better training, nutrition, health care, financial support and more. Rocky's accomplishments should always be measured against his peers during his era.
Arrêtez, Marciano ne tiendra pas 3 rounds devant Georges Foreman.
@@sergegregoire5004 Everyone wants to time travel Rocky to fight some modern fighter. He fought in the fifties against his contemporaries. The average heavyweight fighter was 198 pounds. The average NFL offensive lineman was 235 pounds in the fifties.You can't compare athletes across generations. I don't understand why people just can't appreciate the man for what he accomplished.
@artisaprimus6306 Marciano was a great fighter, but let's be honest. There have been many, great fighters Well, before Marciano's time.?
@@bdcarroll415 Of course, Rocky is just one of many.
@artisaprimus6306 Yes, believe me, and there are many that boxing fans will never know or hear of..?
Archie Moore was 39, and on a 21 fight win streak, the longest of his career, all against younger opposition. He was prime. Joe Walcott was 38 and the Heavyweight Champion. He was also prime. Charles was 33, a year and a half older, and prime. Louis was 37, but had just won 8 straight. Rocky only had four years under his belt when he faced Joe Louis. Rocky had great wins over great fighters and champions.
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Charles, Walcott and Louis were all unquestionably far past their primes.
Moore was 41 actually, he was born in 1914 according to his mother.
They put Rocky as the favorite to get Joe Walcotts goat. They knew it would piss him off and he’d fight much harder in my opinion. How Rocky withstood his onslaughts is a remarkable testament to his physical conditioning and shear iron will to keep fighting !
This bout had everything a boxing fan could ask for !
The son of an Italian immigrant Rocco Francis Marchegiano a.k.a. Rocky Marciano was a protected fighter. The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian. Al Weill, Rocky's mafioso manager and matchmaker at the Garden took 50% and all ticket sales which pushed it closer to 60%. Marciano had no choice but to comply or no contract.
Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933, after more than a decade of lucrative and bloody endeavour for the Mob, they needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia.
The mob controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control.
Every day the evidence stacked up against mafioso bosses Palermo and Carbo particularly, with a list of their associates touching almost every major player in 1950’s boxing. Eventually the verdict was damning; 25 years in Alcatraz for Carbo, 15 years in prison for Palermo. Rocky Marciano visited both inside their prison cells numerous times.
James D. Norris was president of the International Boxing Club of New York from 1949 to 1958. Norris was responsible for fixing numerous bouts. Besides match fixing, he was also managing many boxers against their will. The IBC dominated boxing in the U.S. in the 1950s, but was dissolved by the courts, which ruled it to be a monopoly.
I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking.
1962:
In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40
boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the
#1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis
2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th.
1971:
In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most
famous historian and also editor and founder
of Ring magazine , named Marciano as the
all-time 10th greatest Heavyweight champion.
1998:
Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever.
2005:
We float around to 2005, and in 2005,
Marciano was named the 5th greatest
Heavyweight of all-time by the
International Boxing Research Organization.
2007:
In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind (in order) Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, and Jack Dempsey.
2023:
We skip to the modern day,
and somehow he's been
bumped up to 3rd.
Will he one day be
greater than Ali???
It's easy to see little Rocky's progression. The key is understanding *why?* Despite his perfect record against the weakest 'Heavyweight' division of all-time, Marciano was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 60s. So why did he climb from *10th* in 71, *6th* in 98, to *4th* in 07? Becus the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 72. They all started passing away including Rocky in 69. That's when his fame really started to grow. Don't get me wrong, little Rocky was extremely famous to Italians throughout the upper east coast but that was about it.
*After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where he could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease. Little Rocky was so awesome that Don Turner said, "Marciano could KO both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the first round."*
*Little Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.*
Are you okay with all these post ? lol
@@johnsononey perfectly fine.. thanks for asking lol
You got a good point there.
The man never lost. Enough said.
@@geraldseckeler27 Never lost against who??? Middleweights and Light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights. Are you proud of that???
@ 3: 27 the banner-caption or on-screen text reads;
ARCHIE MOORE CLASSIC SPORTS At age 42, second oldest ever to fight for heavyweight championship (George Foreman, age 45 in 1994)
Archie's age is no longer a mystery. Wiki recently removed 1916 and went with 1913 per family request. “My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore
Jul 20, 2020 - Archie Moore - BoxRec writes -- "Moore claimed he was born December 13, 1916, but his mother said he was born December 13, 1913. The U.S. Census record from 1920 seems to put an end to the mystery. "Archie L. Wright" is listed as a nephew in the household of Cleveland Moore and was three years and two months old on the date of the census" - January 2, 1920.
So BoxRec says, "'Seems"' to put an "'end'" to the mystery."
Who said it's the "'end'" ?
BoxRec serves maybe two million folks. Wiki serves Billions and they say 1913. Archie's Mother and Archie's children say 1913 so they take precedent. Archie's mother did not fill out that census form, an uncle did who lived in a different state.
Archie claimed he was born in 1916 in Collinsville, Illinois. But Archie's Mother told reporters numerous times, "Archibald was born in 1913 in Benoit, Mississippi" and that she was "never in Collinsville." December 13, 1913 was even written in his obituary by his children. "My mother should know since she was there." -- Archie Moore
Says Billy Moore, Archie’s 68-year-old son who lives in San Diego, “My daddy was born in Benoit, Mississippi, and he was proud of it. If I heard him say it once, I heard him say it hundreds of times."
@ BoxRec - Wikipedia --- 'Criticism of website' -very first sentence reads, ""BoxRec has been criticized for not keeping correct records for boxers, especially historic fighters"" Here's a perfect example of BoxRec's inaccuracies and why they're criticized...Walcott's actual record is 51-18-2 and he was KO'd (5) times...yet BoxRec shows ""49-20-1 KO'd (6) times""
*Consider that in the Dec. 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 5, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Charley Rose rated him at # 8, McCallum's survey of old-timers had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Maricano in their lifetime thought he was a top 5 all time heavyweight and 50 years have passed since Rocky retired as champion.
The caliber of opponents is most important in evaluating greatness. Tommy Morrison and Roy Jones, for example, looked great against lesser opponents but pitted against the top men of their class, their shortcomings in other assets were exposed and their ability was offset by other attributes that better opponents of theirs possessed. Marciano was never so tested because his level of competition was so weak.
You only say that because Rocky was white. Just go ahead and admit it. He NEVER lost a fight, unlike that loud mouth, draft dodging, Muslim, who lost 5 times, and ABSOLUTELY should have 10-11 losses on his record if not for massive Mafia corruption. No, I don't think Marciano would've beat Tyson, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Foreman, Lewis, Wladimir, or Tyson Fury. But I absolutely believe, with every fiber in my body, Marciano would've beat Ali, the most overrated athlete, along with Derek Jeter, (and I am a diehard Yankees fan), rather easily. People who parrot Ali's big, obnoxious, loud mouth, that claims he was "The Greatest", are truly stupid, and gullible, human beings. All of those idiots, probably think that In-N-Out Barf Burgers are the "greatest" hamburgers of all time, which is even more insulting than hearing how great the Draft Dodger was. 🤢🤮🤢🤮
If you had watched this fight closely you'd have seen what a tremendous fighter Walcot was.
He proved that Marciano had to be a great fighter because it took a great fighter to beat Walcot.
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@@freddyfurrah3789 Of course it is. Bcz Marciano fans dislike Truth
@@freddyfurrah3789 What a boxer was ranked is no study. It's facts. How did he go from being ranked 10th throughout the 1960s and 1970s to 4th Greatest Heavyweight in 2024. $$$$, that's how!
Joe was my home town boy .how could rocky beat him?I was so mad at joe for loosing .I still cant figure out what rock was made of.Give respect!!! I've learned to love the rock.All heart!!
It's called "Jiff" peanut bitter, not "Jiffy". Always was.....
Both these fighters were great boxers on their time..things are much different in modern times...Athletes are much better in 2022..Even the great boxers of the toughest Era, ( the 70s) were way better than these old timers..Tyson would have beat both of their A** in his prime...in fact, on my opinion, Mike could have beat both their A*** in the same night! All Mike Tyson would have needed would be about a 45 minute water break , then take the toughest fighter first,( Marciano) then go back into the ring and beat Marciano's Butt..all on one night!
Walcott was slick and stronger than his size would indicate. Rocky’s ability to carry his power late in fights saved the day for him here. Great fight.
It was more than that....
ROCKY had to have the ability to wear Walcott down in a grueling fight where he ROCKY was absorbing considerable punishment. ROCKY put Joe in that retreating mode Joe was in in round 13.
This is awesome. Love Walcott and Marciano. Doesn't get better than this. Also Marciano vs Moore.
BoxRec has officially listed these Rocky Marciano opponents as middleweights and light heavyweights:
Eddie Ross - division "Middleweight"
Harry Bilazarian - division "Middleweight"
Ezzard Charles - division "Light heavy"
Archie Moore - division "Light heavy"
Harry Matthews - division "Light heavy"
Harry Haft - division "Light heavy"
Ted Lowry - division "Light heavy"
Willis Applegate - division "Light heavy"
Bob Jefferson - division "Light heavy"
Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion?
Did the Klitschko brothers have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights? Does King Fury have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights?
Marciano's extra-small era was a huge contributing factor towards the "cruiserweight" division being created. There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers.
Little Rocky was only 31 when he up-n "QUIT" during his prime. He only fought a measly 7 years while everyone else was fightin 20 years!!! Many heavyweights coulda retired undefeated if they'd-a "QUIT" after only 7 years!!! Had he kept fightin he woulda faced the likes of Patterson, Machen, Johansson, Folley, Liston, Jones, Clay, Terrell, Cleveland and Chuvalo just to name a few.
What Marciano did to his family is unforgivable. During his retirement speech and his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show he said, "I want to spend more time with my family." That's not True. It was all a lie. He immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands then left them penniless--@ 1993/08/23 THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI
Combined, Walcott Charles Moore lost (68) times and were KO'd (20) times. Had little Rocky never existed nobody would even be talkin bout Walcott Charles Moore. Truth is Marciano fans could careless about Walcott Charles Moore otherwise they would never denigrate and belittle other black fighters such as Ali Liston Holmes Tyson Wilder. I've studied Marciano extensively for one year and it just dawned on me that is exactly what's happening. Rocky fans always besmirch black fighters EXCEPT for Walcott Charles Moore. I've witnessed it hundreds of times, pure Hate for Liston Holmes Tyson, yet pure Love for Walcott Charles Moore.
Sounds like somebody got a some hate going on for "LITTLE" Rocky.. the Rock did exist, 40 times undefeated and had to retire cause nobody NOBODY on the up and coming would fight him. Little Rocky hurt fighters when it got down to blood and grid he came alive. Nobody wanted a lose, nobody wanted thier fighter hurt. That's a fact.
Not totally true. I am an ITALIAN AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVED MARCIANO, I LOVED TYSON IN HIS PRIME, HOLYFIELD, WALCOTT AND LISTON AND LOUIS. BUT I COULDNT STAND CASIOUS CLAY AND HOMES BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK..
Is Walcott Charles Moore joe Wolcatta or Archie moore?
@@aldonelson5757 Yes. Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore. Two were light heavyweights masquerading and moonlighting as Heavyweights. And Jersey Joe was Cruiserweight. Compared to today's Super Heavyweights they're tiny.
@@snickersberet4792 Incorrect. You don't know what your talking about. Little Rocky ducked many fighters and Quit bcz he was "embarrassed of losing." That's what his younger brother Peter said. Truth hurts. That's a fact!
Marciano was relentless!!!!
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again
The abundance of excuses Marciano fans come up with are hilarious. The best one is *"size does not matter."* If that were the case why does boxing have 18 different weight classes??? A Marciano fan replies, *"well that's becuz weight does not matter at Heavyweight."* If that's true,, *why hasn't a 190-lb man ever beat an elite Super Heavyweight boxing champion before???*
Why are there no 190-lb offensive or defensive linemen in the NFL??? Becus it would be impossible to stop other 300-lb elite linemen!!!
Why hasn't a 190-lb man won the Super Heavyweight weightlifting competition in the Olympics??? Becus it's impossible for a 190-lb man to clean and jerk 580-lbs!!!
little 184-lb Rocky with-is-shortest-ever-dwarfism-reach did not have the bone structure to be effective at Super Heavyweight today!!!
*""SIZE MATTERS LIKE IT OR NOT""*
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what is your stupid point???
Money!
Sonny had an-albatross 84 inch reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67 inch reach. A 17 inch reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable. Marciano’s style was tailor made for Liston. Rocky would get knocked into tomorrow before he could get close enough to land any damaging shots of his own. Liston’s power and reach would have been too much for the plodding face first style of Marciano.
Foreman probably the most formidable puncher in boxing history said that Liston is the only man he ever faced that made him back up and revert to boxing. Watch the footage of Foreman destroying Frazier twice and Liston destroying Patterson twice. That’s exactly what would happen to little Marciano.
Best conditioned fighter who ever lived...great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...put The Rock in with anyone!
Zhang weighs - 285
Bakole - 285
Joyce - 280
Briggs - 265
Ruiz - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Parker - 250
Foreman - 250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Anderson - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
*Moore - 175 lb LH champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb HW champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb HW champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Heavyweight was only 175 lbs back then. Moore & Charles best years were at MW (147 to 160) and LH (160 to 175). Moore had his first pro fight in 1935. He never weighed more than 165 until 1944. That's 9 years at MW. Marciano fought between 178 and 188 over 40 times and was 'Never' weight drained!!
*If size don't matter why hasn't there been another 184 lb Heavyweight champion since little Rocky's little era 4 generations ago?*
A fighter is in his prime when he has the maturity and experience to go along with undiminished reflexes. Once his reflexes start to slide he's past-prime, simple as that. When his reflexes are gone he's a shot fighter. I can't recall seeing a fighter older than his early 30s that still had his reflexes fully intact.
The decathlon is the ultimate and/or best test for speed/strength/endurance. The oldest any Olympic or World Champion has ever been is 32 (Roman Sebrle). This would leave one to believe that after 32 athletes will have started to decline- if not earlier. Boxers are only measured against their opponents, and the best boxers Marciano fought were undoubtedly past their prime. Marciano quit at 31 for a reason.
Those 4 Hall of Famers Marciano faced were not prime when they fought him, it's scientifically and mathematically impossible when evaluating their careers. They already had 409 (68 68 95 178) pro fights and that doesn't include Louis' 96 fights he had before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service.
Had Charles Moore Walcott Louis never fought little Rocky they'd still be entered into the Hall of Fame for what they accomplished *BEFORE* they fought him.
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought him?
Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano?
This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
EXPLAIN HOW 184 LB ROCKY GOES FROM 7TH PLACE DURING THE 60s AND 70s TO TOP 4 SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024?
Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES,, imagine that?
'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles/Moore were light heavyweights and Joe Louis's reflexes were completely shot. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 washed Hall of Famers and went 49-0. And that's exactly why the little 184 lb cruiser is ranked ahead of dozens of topnotch genuine Super Heavyweights!
@@Bobby.D.1776 All the fighters were smaller overall back then.
@@Bobby.D.1776…question…do you think Rock got our while the getting was good, knowing he’d have to fight Patterson, Ingemar, and possibly Liston?
In 1962 Ring Magazine polled 40 boxing experts on who was the greatest Heavyweight of all-time. These are historians who were actually there when he reigned as champion and Marciano's highest ranking was 7th place. The overwhelming majority rated him lower like Nat Fleischer had him at # 10, Charley Rose and McCallum's survey of old-timers rated him at # 9. All these people were born in the late 1800s and passed away in the 1960s and 70s.
Little 184lb Marciano is regarded by many as the greatest Heavyweight ever, best of the best. The question is how does he stack up with the Mount Rushmore of Heavyweights?? I don't see how his status remotely moves up with the multitude of great Heavyweights that came after him. All the professionals, trainers, managers, experts and historians who actually saw Rocky Marciano fight during the 50s and 60s thoroughly examined his career yet they barely ranked him top-10 Heavyweight, of all-time. *I trust Nat's opinion before y'all's gibberish casual diatribe.*
Genius Nat Fleischer (1887-1972) was the founder, president, publisher and editor of The Ring, a monthly magazine devoted to boxing and professional wrestling. Fleischer is called Mr. Boxing, or in the cant of masters of ceremony, "Mr. Boxing, himself," an introduction uniting man and legend. Fleischer’s story in many ways is the story of boxing. His experience is unlike that of anyone else from boxing’s past and certainly no one will ever be able to make his claims in the future.
In 1958 Fleischer wrote, “I have been on intimate terms with every heavyweight champion since James J. Corbett. I have seen almost every heavyweight championship bout in the past half century, and most of those in other divisions that reach across a stretch of many exciting years.” Fleischer in fact saw every heavyweight champion from Jim Jeffries and Jack Johnson to Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier from ringside, most of those from the first row. Possibly no one else in history can make that claim. Fleischer’s unique perspective demands respect from those who are interested in the history of boxing.
Nat tended to just report the fights as he saw it from ringside and did not editorialize too much. Nat was well known for his ability to break down and describe the styles of fighters and the action that took place in the ring. Here are some descriptions of fighters there is film on so we can compare what Nat said of them to what we know from the films. We can then know that what he said about fighters whom we have little film on is also accurate.
Of Joe Louis he penned, in the April 1939 Ring, “He sails in, crashes his blows to the body and head, gives the opposition little chance to get set for a counter-attack and wards off blows with the cleverness of a Jack Johnson. Only Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey compare to Joe Louis of today in all around ability...No human body can take the punishment that Jolting Joe dishes out once he goes after his prey. That has been proved conclusively in his last few contests.” In the Mar. 1942 Ring, after Louis' destruction of the 6'6" 250 pound Buddy Baer, Nat Said that “Not even in the second fight with Max Schmeling did the Detroit Destroyer show as much as he did against Buddy. Joe had everything. He was magnificent. He was a whirlwind on attack, a master of defense, a terror with his devastating punches.”
In evaluating Rocky Marciano he wrote December 1955 Ring, “Those who believe that he lacks the necessary qualifications for gaining a niche in the fistic hall of fame as one of the greatest heavyweights of all time won’t argue that as a puncher, he takes his place alongside such greats as Jeffries, Louis and Dempsey. They limit his qualifications for greatness to the category of “hitting power”, strength and durability all of which Rocky possesses to a high degree but which are *insufficient to gain for him a place among the greats of the past.”* “Despite his crudeness, he can move about the ring at a pretty fast gate and can toss more punches than any heavyweight of recent years. But misses more frequently than any champion I’ve ever seen.” *“He has faced very few real punchers during his career.* The two best, Walcott and Moore- both thirty-eight at the time-had Rocky on the canvas. *Joe Louis is not included* since when he met Rocky, the Brown Bomber had long since lost his once devastating punch.”
Besides putting out the highly regarded Ring-Fleischer has published Nat Fleischer's Ring Record Book and Boxing Encyclopedia.The Ring Record Book is the most comprehensive of all annual reference sources on boxing. Mainly in the interests of boxing, Fleischer has made 37 trips to Europe and has gone around the world six times, furiously writing all the while. He has 20 passports. Discounting entertainers, Fleischer is the most widely known U.S. private citizen abroad. He is enshrined in the Helms Hall of Fame in Los Angeles. Fleischer has refereed and judged more than 1,000 fights. All told, Fleischer has published 57 books of history, biography and instruction on boxing. Fleischer has a 268,800-word "bibliography" of boxing. Counting his articles for The Ring and serials and pieces he dashes off in an hour or so for foreign publications, it has been estimated that Fleischer has written 40 million words in his lifetime.
Great comment and information.
Whewwwwww! That's a lot of talk , however no matter who Rocky could beat or could have beat . The fact remains he was NEVER beaten. Joe Walcott was great fighter ,but just couldn't stand the pressure of the smaller man !
This was Jersey Joe's finest moment. Faced with the strongest bruiser the heavyweight division's seen in years, what does he do? Stand, trade and just straight up fight. Being champion of the world just makes you want to prove that you deserve the title. Jersey Joe, Arnold Cream really deserved to be champion, even if it was only a short reign.
Jersey Joe beat Joe Louis in their first fight according to virtually everyone but the judges. The reason Walcott got KO'ed by Louis in their second fight is in part because of how the scoring went in their first fight. He was not so sure the judges would not screw him over again though he was ahead in scoring going into that fateful eleventh round.
That power from Walcott. Great fight. Legends both.
Um, he was knocked out. So his alleged power was irrelevant.
@@heyheyhoho6986 just like you.
Every champ fights their fare share of tomato cans. But nobody, and i mean nobody, fought as many F-LEVEL tomato can bums as Marciano did. It's no joke, do the research. Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little Rocky's 5 best opponents: 3 light heavyweights and 2 cruiserweights -- Charles Moore LaStarza Layne Walcott -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG fighter little Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought Marciano?
I never get tired of watchin this fight ,i have looked at it 20 Million times
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NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
Jack Dempsey defeated Jess Willard.
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. He wasn't even close to being elite. Jess was clumsy and terrible boxer.
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills Jess Willard was the heavyweight champion. Joe Louis defeated Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer who were large heavyweight boxers. The sport is boxing not weight lifting or USA football.
@@michaelmettry6120 Jess Willard was only champion bcz Jack Johnson took a dive. Primo was daily alcoholic and 100% controlled.
@@michaelmettry6120 little Marciano is NOT going to beat a prime Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitschko or Ike Ibeabuchi etcetera
The International Boxing Club Of New York was the dominant promotional power in boxing. It controlled the sport at Madison Square Garden and other major arenas. It had contracts for regularly-scheduled fights on the emerging medium of television. And it had links to organized crime; most notably through Frankie Carbo.
“Carbo,” Russell Sullivan explains, “established a well-organized centralized system of control over boxing. The system featured scores of managers who operated as front men for Carbo. Once a promising fighter arrived on the scene, one of Carbo’s managers would muscle in on his ownership. Fear and violence were the linchpins of Carbo’s system and the bedrock of his power. Directly or indirectly, he controlled scores of judges, officials, managers, promoters, and fighters. His power became such that no big match was made or title awarded without his acquiescence.”
Out of all the boxers in history *why* is little Marciano the *only-one* that must be defended through *QUOTES???* Quote after quote after endless quotes. Cuz y'all can't defend him with-is *resume alone!!!*
*Quotes are spec·u·la·tion /ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/ noun, and speculation is the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.. Similar: opinion, hypothesize, guess, surmise, notion, prediction, forecast, gamble, venture, risk.*
Just cuz Muhammad Ali said, "Marciano *"Might"* have beaten me," does that make it true?? *"Might"* does not mean *would have.* It means *maybe* or *possibly.*
Holmes said, *"Rocky couldn't carry his jockstrap,"* does that make it true??
Funniest Quote is Don Turner saying, *"Marciano could beat both Klitschko brothers at the same time in the same round."* Who actually believes that??
Foreman recently listed his own top-10 greatest Heavyweights of all time yet he didn't even include himself. Why?? Because it's called being humble, showing ones respects, or creating an image.
Ali's famous speech directly after he KO'd Foreman:
*"EVERYBODY STOP TALKING NOW"*
*"I TOLD Y'ALL I WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"*
*"I TOLD Y'ALL I'M STILL THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME"*
[ Does that sound lik' Ali is conceding to little dwarfism-arms? ]
*Find "ONE" professional boxer, manager, boxing historian or trainer that has little Rocky ranked higher than the cultural phenomenon Muhammad Ali.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Muhammad Ali cuz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Lennox Lewis cuz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Larry Holmes cuz his *resume speaks for itself.*
No need for speculative Quotes to protect Wladimir Klitschko cuz his *resume speaks for itself.*
On the other hand little Rocky's resume needs *serious help* cuz it's horrendous,, *hence all the futile Quotes to protect him.*
70 years ago I was 8 years old and I barely remember this boxing match , and I love the Boxing 🥊, it’s good one ☝️, and I wotch now ,. Congratulations 🎈🎊🎉🍾.
Two hundred seventy seven pounds of undefeated destruction. Fury would keep little Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and flummox him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and grind out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. Rocky ain't gettin the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins! Anyway he chooses!
Fury is a titan amongst mere mortals. Generations of dna forged to create the perfect Super Heavyweight boxer. I'm just so grateful i get to see it in my lifetime. Transport Fury back to that little 1950s cruiserweight era and 'The King' woulda went 149-0 with 100% KO's!
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NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION🥊
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′2″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
He was barely 6 1.
Sonny sure had a long career. First fight was in 1953 when Marciano was champ.
People think liston disappeared after the Ali loss. But he won nine fights in a row afterwards before his shocking loss to leotis Martin
Deontay Wilder or Tyson Fury would destroy Rocky within 3 rounds...Stop playing..