Joe Frazier 🇺🇸vs.🇦🇷 Oscar Bonavena | 1st🥊| BONAVENA FLOORS FRAZIER |
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Joe Frazier beat Oscar Bonavena by SD in round 10 of 10
Date: 1966-09-21
Location: Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
Referee: Mark Conn 6-4
Judge: Joe Eppy 5-4
Judge: Nick Gamboli 5-8
Unofficial UPI scorecard: 6-4 Frazier
Unofficial AP scorecard: 6-3-1 Frazier
Frazier Has To Come Off The Canvas To Score Win
Bull-like Oscar Bonavena, the burly, plodding fighter with the big mop of hair who calls himself "Ringo" and the "South American Beatle," has left Joe Frazier with wary memories of a "Hard Day's Night."
The lumbering 205-pounder from Buenos Aires doesn't have Frazier's potential of eventually becoming a classy fighter-but the 2-1 underdog gave Frazier the fight of his 14-month pro career Wednesday night before losing an unpopular 10-round split decision.
Bonavena decked Frazier twice in the second round but couldn't keep him there. The 203½ pound Frazier came back gamely with a relentless, punishing attack that gave him the close decision in the eyes of the judges, although most of the 9,069 fans at Madison Square Garden, who were Bonavena fans, booed the decision.
It was close enough to go either way with referee Mark Conn giving it to Frazier 6-4 in rounds, while judge Joe Eppy had Frazier 5-4-1. But judge Nick Gamboli had it 5-5 in rounds and Bonavena 7-5 on points. United Press International scored it 6-4 for Frazier.
It was unbeaten Frazier's 12th straight victory and kept him on his current timetable that he hopes eventually will lead to a shot at heavyweight champion Cassius Clay.
But unlike fighters who are always screaming for a shot at the champion, Frazier, the 1964 Olympic champion, still figures he's 18 months away from being ready for Clay.
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I can't thank you enough. I've been sick for about a week and discovered your channel. I humbly make a request: is it possible to find the full Frazier Bonvanena rematch? Clips exist, but I would be incredibly grateful to see the full fight.
If not, please let me thank you one more time for your wonderful channel. You've posted timeless fights between warriors whose names will never be forgotten.
Oscar bonavena
Was there a 2nd fight...?
@@augieholzworth7270oooooo0
Soy Mexicano y llegue a ver pelear a Oscar “Ringo” Bonavena, yo podria decir que el tubo la mala suerte de haber vivido en una epoca donde estubieron dos de los mejores pesos completos de toda la historia, como son Mohammad Ali y Joe Frazier, con la calidad que tubo Bonavena facilmente le hubiera ganado a cualquier campeon de peso completo de la actualidad, seria un invencible en la epoca actual. Saludos para Argentina
Gracias en argentina admiramos mucho a los boxeadores mexicanos abrazos amigo.
Esta pelea la ganó Ringo 7-5 tal como fue la única tarjeta acorde a la pelea de los 3 jueces esa noche. Te comento que años más tarde su hermano contó a un medio de TV local que Ringo habló con él por teléfono previo a la revancha con Frazier y dijo que dos matones armados lo amenazaron de muerte si no se dejaba ganar en la revancha. Ya habrás visto la revancha... Sólo datos de cosas oscuras que jamás salen a la luz... Ringo podría haber Sido camperón en la época dorada y en cualquier época del boxeo, talento tenía. Saludos a México desde Argentina.
MRCAIFANERO...Y TE FALTO DECIR DE LA MAFIA DEL BOXEO Y LAS APUESTAS...AQUI GANO RINGO BONAVENA Y PUNTO...LAS DEMAS CHACHARAS QUE DIJISTE NO VIENEN AL CASO...MENOS MAL QUE ERES ARGENTINO....PARECES CHILENO EN LO CHAQUETERO....!
Bonavena ganhou essa luta!
Zapatistãs Mucho gusto de cabeza fíctícía y cesped de sombrero hoy Pollò y cespa q uno Gorda
Tremendous fight. Narrow win by Frazier, but it's not unreasonable to say Bonavena won. Bonavena is one of the most underrated fighters of all time. Thank you for uploading this all time great fight.
In the USA Frazier won but if it was in Argentina then Bonavena would have won it.
@@ruffknight9549 😂 exactly. Frazier happens to be my all-time favorite fighter, so I'm probably a little bit biased. I do think he narrowly won. I've never seen their full rematch, it's not on TH-cam, but I've seen clips. Bonavena was a hell of a fighter. He had Ali in trouble in their fight too, granted Ali was very rusty coming back from the suspension.
@@bengoldberg6198Frazie sofreu duas quedas em uma luta equilibradab e perdeu claramente o último round. Não tinha como ele ganhar.
Joe showed class in and out of the ring. After each round he gave Bonavena a friendly pat. When Ali wasn’t fighting due to being stripped of his title for objecting to the war, Frazier helped him financially. It bothered him deeply that Muhammad later ridiculed and called him a monkey. I love Ali but I never appreciated that aspect of him. Two incredibly black athletes.
Ali did this to Malcolm X too, Malcolm Xhelped hid then Ali crapped on him
Ali was selling the fight. He never ment any of that stuff even tho Joe never got over it. And Don't mention Malcom ×. Did he not betray the honorable Elijah Mohammad?
I loved Malcom...but he joined up with those people...pushed their agenda like no one else and then turned on them...judging them. Both Malcom and the nation of Islam betrayed Muhammad Ali ( leading him into that world) yet he remained loyal.
@@bigalsnow8199 jor did get over it he just likes to talk shit too. They stayed friends even while they were fighting, it was all a show. Ali watched wrestling and took that into boxing
Ali was a master at selling a fight, he tormented Joe with the crazy insulting crap to hype and sell his fights pay per view, after they retired they were the best of true friends. The Ali/Frazier trilogy is the greatest trilogy in HW boxing history. In the pre-fight interviews Ali hitting the stuffed teddy bear gorilla and saying, "it's gonna be a chiller, a killer and a thriller when I beat the gorilla in Manilla to hype up their third fight was funny as f**k while Ali was punching the little stuffed gorilla.
@@bigalsnow8199 Ali left HEM and NOI later on and severed ties with Wallace Muhammad and said later in life his deepest regret was not following Malcolm and made amends to Malcolm's daughters and Malcolm's oldest daughter Attallah Shabazz gave Ali's eulogy at Ali's funeral, really historic touching and transformative moments in our Black history.
This Joe Frazier did not move his head nearly as much as the 1971 Joe Frazier. Amazing to see how much he improved in a few years.
Joe had a great trainer in Yank Durham...
Exactly!! The 71' Frazier had AMAZING head movement! (Muhammad Ali himself said that Frazier was one of the toughest fighters to hit clean that he ever faced!)
Right. By 71 he was vastly improved over what we see here.
@@beatlejim64And Eddie Futch.
@@nyterpfanJoe war eine Maschine....Eisenharter unerbittlicher Kämpfer.
Es difícil de aceptar que Oscar Bonavena haya perdido esta pelea. Frazer no la ganó.
Frazzier no la gana x nok pero la gana sin dudas amigo bonavena solo aguantaba nomas y tiraba algunos golpes de suerte nada mas
@@VictorGonzalez-bx8nz a qué llamas tirar golpes de suerte?
Tal cual. Si Bonavena no la ganó, Frazier tampoco. Creo que lo justo hubiera sido un empate.
@@ricardomariomonte4304 ringo no era un buen boxeador nunca lo fue tenia mucho corje criollo pero cero tecnica vos fijate que mientras sus rivales saltaban en el ring bonavena arrastraba las patas siempre les metio alguna que otra mano a casius y a frazzier pero no estaba ala altura de ninguno amigo se fue a hacer el payaso con ali y cobro como el mejor
@@VictorGonzalez-bx8nz creo que Ali y Frazer eran mejores pero son de los mejores de la historia del boxeo. Bonavena con sus virtudes y defectos se entreveró con ellos y no pasó vergüenza.
Gloria eterna a Ringo de Parque Patricios, Buenos Aires!!
Bonavena foi uma glória do boxe sul americano. Talvez o melhor.
@@slmb1964Frazier dijo luego de sus peleas con Ringo, "tenía acero en sus venas" elogiando la fortaleza de Ringo Bonavena. QEPD ambos grandes campeones y mejores personas!
Two very very tough men.
A Gran Ringo le toco puros Monstruos Alí Frezier Foreman un duro de verdad unos de los boxeadores mas grandes de Latinoamérica grande Ringo
Bonavena never fought Foreman
Creo que los buenos, ricos y sustanciosos bifes dan alimentación óptima que nutre perfectamente a los atletas argentinos: Bonavena, Maradona, la pulga etcétera Saludos desde NezaYork
@@draconpersistente220Mica è l'Argentina è Perché sono italiani 🇮🇹😉
@@draconpersistente220tranne Maradona
@@alfiopalmieri3218 ahaha, diciamo che è un po' questo e un po' quello. Saluti da un paese fratello nel sud 🇮🇹🤝🇦🇷
Ringo fue una gran boxeador, con mucha valentía y gran pegada. Una lástima su trágica muerte.
Que mala suerte para Ringo y luego le paso tambien a Monzon en circumstancias diferentes pero lo mismo de tragico
Evidently he didn't have any sense
Miraste este pelicula sobre Ringo, "Love Ranch," con Joe Pesci? No era buena, pero interesante.
@@joegeorge3889Te llamas Jorge, hablas en inglés y encima decís cosas sin sentido... Madre mía
I had it 95-94 for Oscar.I think Joe lost that one,but they gave him the decision. Great fight,thanks for posting!
During those years if the fight was too close the judges it was always given to the local fighter.
He held Joe for most of the fight that's why O lost.
Joe Frazier was a real man....gracious in winning or in defeat. A true champion. Bonavena was a pioneer in South American Boxing. Great vid.
El inolvidable gigante argentino !!! DEP
Soy Uruguayo pero el honor de tener a éste hermano rioplatense Ringo Bonavena
Le robaron la pelea a Ringo Bonavena. Claro en ese momento representaba a Latinoamerica. El segundo tound fue genial.
2022 nada cambio
Si, un afano
No. Bonavena lost the fight
Latin America has never been hated and discriminated against as bad as black America, Frazier won fair and square 💯
Esse argentino foi o verdadeiro Rock Balboa.
What a great fight. It's so strange to see Frazier so small and young. Additionally, Ringo deserves so much more recognition than he gets. I would guess that 1 out of 100 boxing fans don't even know who hw was. Thanks for the upload. Subbed.
Thx Wookiee
Ringo was a great fighter and gave any greats a very hard time.
Probably more than 1 in 100. I've been a boxing fan all my life and I'd never heard of Ringo Bonavena until today. Thanks for posting this.
@@excellinkus You're either too young or should become a scholar ( if you really like boxing)... cause fans usually don't know much. I suppose you don't know why the nickname " Ringo".....well...because of his likeness with Ringo Starr......the Beatles drummer.
You meant to say that 99.99% of fans don't know who he was
Notice most of the audience is well dressed in a suit and tie.
An all-white jury
Different time obviously.
Just like Marciano, Bonavena came from Italian parents. One born in the US, the other in Argentina. Both tough as nails. By the way Bonavena was robbed. Had they fought in Argentina Frazier would have had his first loss.
Early in Bonavena's career, he was trained by Marciano's old trainer, Charlie Goldman.. But unlike Marciano, Oscar would not listen to Goldman and the two parted company early. Bonavena used to say "what can this old man teach me?". He could have taught him a hell of a lot.
Ringo was know for being a little hard headed....and that was too bad....ultimately lead to his demise.
Gracias por subirla
Inceible que el arbitro permita ir con la cabeza en punta a Frazier. Pareciera que Ringo tenía otro ritmo o cardio. El segundo round lo tira dos veces y termina más entero Frazier q ringo. Ahora cuando Ringo sacaba esa derecha con buen recorrido, parecía la patada de un caballo y un corazón impresionante
Thanks for uploading it... I really enjoyed in this fight... Mr. Frazier almost being stopped in the 2nd round, but managed to win a split decision in the end... Some rounds were pretty close imo, but I believe that Mr. Frazier's aggressiveness won him the fight on two scorecards... R.I.P. to both of those legends.
So different seeing Frazier so young and unrefined. It’s like watching a prototype of the man we saw in 1971. Every once in awhile you catch a glimpse, but his signature head movement and gazelle hook are just being learned here
Ali would have starched him had they met at that time.
Frazier had an incredible left hook and a tremendous will in his prime but was extremely small for a heavyweight. It was evident by what George Foreman did to him twice that the super sized heavweight fighters of recent times would have destroyed him. For all intents and purposes he should have fought as a light heavyweight. Frazier was fortunate to have fought Ali after his 3.5 year layoff. Prime Ali of the mid 60's would have picked Frazier apart with ease.
Año 66, Bonavena iba en ascenso permanente, acababa de derrotar a un grande como Peralta por el nacional argentino y pedía una chance mundialista, pero le tocó enfrentar a verdaderos monstruos, hasta que le llegó el turno de vérselas con Alí y alli dejó todo lo qeu tenía, nunca volvió a ser el mismo.
Na luta contra o Ali o Bonavena já estava em fim de carreira. O auge de Bonavena no meio da década de 60.
Joe hit low again and again, with no formal warning, to say nothing of a point deduction. Mark Conn was quite generous that night.
Thank you for stating the obvious. There is a type of box fan that would never see those details according to his background preferences
In these old boxing matches, they usually allowed some scrub to announce the scoring who did not know how to deliver a proper rendering.
This looks like a choreographed movie fight. Two tough customers in there banging away.
"RINGO" BONAVENA Y ARTURO GODOY, HAN SIDO LOS MEJORES BOXEADORES LATINOAMERICANOS DE LOS PESOS COMPLETOS QUE HA HABIDO HASTA EL MOMENTO, GODOY PELEO EL TITULO ANTE JOE LOUIS ( PERDIO POR PUNTOS, MUY DISCUTIBLE) Y BONAVENA QUE ENFRENTO AL GRAN CASIUSS CLAY., EN UNA "BATALLA ESTOICA".
Frazier was always a slow starter and most vulnerable in the early rounds.
without a doubt, I love when he gets smokin though in the mid rounds.
But Joe clearly lost the last round
joe was dominated in the championship round//Oscar won
Gamboli the only judge with eyes, i scored the exact same result, 7-5 with the 2 knock downs for Bonavena
♫ ♪ We are from the neighbourhood, the neighbourhood of The Burnin'; we are from the neighbourhood of Ringo Bonavernin' ♫ ♪
El Rocky Balboa Orgullosamente latino Argentino
Italian 🇮🇹
The second knockdown of Joe was somewhat similar to a couple of Big George Foreman's 6 knockdowns of Frazier: Joe was really rocked back both times and totally lost balance. Oscar put in a great fight here and might well have merited the decision. Thanks for sharing this classic from the glory days of the past!
Oscar won this fight, Frazier was down twice
@@christiancharles2866 It was definitely close, but the scoring was consistent that Frazier took it: Referee: Mark Conn 6-4; Judge: Joe Eppy 5-4; Judge: Nick Gamboli 5-5, but with Oscar by points. Same with the Press: UPI scorecard: 6-4 Frazier; AP scorecard: 6-3-1 Frazier. If Oscar had scored a later knockdown, he would have won it for sure.
Joe such a good hearted guy!
u will never know how much these videos are appreciated
Oscar almost got him.
Grown as mens calling them boys when the real men's on canvas battling the real boys talking about the fight.
Buena pelea de bonaveda, ganó por puntos en Argentina, perdió por puntos en EEUU
I always wondered what a younger primed Frazier would do against Foreman, but watching these earlier fights of Joe, It's obvious Foreman beats Joe 10 out of 10 times.
One tough fight !
I rate Joe as the best heavyweight between 1968 and 1973.
Oscar a great fighter too.
thanks for upload.
Bonavena was one more of an excellent crop of HW contenders in boxing's golden age, the 60s and 70s. He could have beaten some champions in the past. Frazier was superb physically here, but you can see how he continued to evolve, especially in his 3 fights w/Ali.
How was this the golden age? you gotta be kidding! you think either of these 205lb heavyweights would survive in the modern age?
@@johns7272 They would thrive
@@johns7272 these guys were trim and carried very little weight. Conditioning and Endurance level mattered a lot and made the difference. When Fraser fought Daniels and Stander he was overwhelmingly overweight, slow and pondering. Once you loose your conditioning it makes a massive difference. Look at Pre-Exile Ali he was awesome to watch. But with 3 & 1/2 year layoff with no real training his weight ballooned and he could never get himself back to that level of condition. So he stared to rely on his chin more and more while he would get away with it by relying on other advantages like hand speed.
@@johns7272 overall my answer these men would handle the modern heavyweight boxers well.
@@johns7272 ESTA PELEA A LO MAS ERA PARA EMPATE...FRAZIER SE VIO EN APUROS..SI BONAVENA FUERA MAS DIRECTO...LA COSA HUBIERA CAMBIADO MUCHO...
Awesome material. Thanks for sharing this video 🏆
5:15 - Knockdown 1 - Frazier
5:32 - Knockdown 2 - Frazier
I'm 62 years old I just learned about Sam Langford the Boston bonecrusher about two or three weeks ago how crazy is that
Great channel thank you for your work & dedication
Oscar came close and I can see 94-94 (6-4 Joe) but I had it 95-93 for Joe
7-3 Joe in rounds
Gosto de assistir à lutas em que os boxers se respeitam... terminaram abraçados como dois grandes atletas. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Não gosto quando juízes roubam. Bonavena ganhou claramente. Boxe sendo Boxe.
Joe Goes Down Twice In The Second Round .................. But He Is Still Moving Forward For Most of The Round .................. Its What He Always Did ................... The Fight Announcer
Has To Be A Boxing Hall Of Famer ................... Cannot Think Of His Name ............... ANYBODY ????........
Joe Frazier in this fight looked relatively inexperienced compared with the Frazier in the first Frazier-Ali fight when he defeated Ali, and much unlike the relentless punching Frazier in the Thrilla in Manila epic fight that he lost to Muhammad Ali by a TKO. RIP Joe.
Joe, was great. But beat a rusty Ali(4 year layoff).
Of course he wins that fight.
@@jeffriessman9693 nah ali wasnt rusty. He had to fight for contender, Ali just underestimated joe. Truth be told, he wouldve beaten ali in the third fight had they not threw in his towel. Ali had nothing left on the last round and joe fraizer was still ready to go.
@@sorakazama7031 Ali was rusty when he fought Frazier in fact when he fought quarry and bonavena shows how rusty he is.
Yancey Durham proved his worth as a boxing trainer in this fight. He knew what to do to assist his fighter to overcome and win.
Yancey Durham for me was one of the greatest in his job.He made from Joe smokin' machine.
Without Durham Joe could of been ruined. Managed him brilliantly.
Juízes roubaram a luta para ele.
Ringo was awkward at times, but very powerful.
Joe was moving differently here. He hadn’t perfected his bobbing & weaving style that was so effective in later fights.
Joe is one of the greatest heavyweight champs of all time 🥊
September 21,1966...MSG...NYC.
Amazing to see someone beat joe at his own game. Stood his ground and only got a split decision, I believe that this fight being in NY had something to do with the decision.
Disclaimer: I am not Argentinian. I'm just an educated box fan.
My take on this fight: it should have been a draw. Why?
1-Oscar won 3 rounds. The second round should have been scored 10-7
Frazier was the aggressor bur he never had Bonavena hurt. Two rounds were even.
2- Frazier came back on the third the same way Pryor did after the infamous drink he had on the Arguello fight. Nobody can tell me that Frazier could come back like nothing happened on the 3rd round the way he did without some corner "help".
3- I counted about 24 intentional low blows from Frazier and just 3 from Oscar. Oscar also hit Frazier 2 times behind the head intentionally. Oscar only complained about a low blow in the 7th round. I can't imagine any of today's boxers going without complaining for 1 round after repeated low blows.
Frazier was good but he cheated big time on this fight and the scoring was old style. Oscar's corner didn't give him any special juice during the fight and that was obvious
The squeaky voiced Bonavena was not a polished boxer, but he was one tough hombre.
1966 Young Ali in his prime
Would ko both within 10 to 12 rounds yes that means Fraiser too!!!!!
Nah fraizer would have kept getting up. Ali wouldnt be ready for someone who can just keep coming at you like fraizer did here. He wasnt ready for it in part 3 either
Bonavena was 1 knockdown away from having a completely different life.
Exactly like Buster Mathis... but he broke his thumb and Joe become a legend.. you can watch about that story on our channel. Thx for comment.
Wasnt a strong knockdown, 2nd was more off balance
@@realworldwarriorstreet1395 History wouldn't care.
@@heyhuey4429
Clowns that dont know wont care, you tube experts, real fighters will know
Bonavena got shot dead at a massage parlour when he decided to take one of the girls with him
Joe frazier had such a great style great fighter. Bonavena was a fine fighter but not in joe's class.
Bonavena won this fight. And he was leading against Ali until Ali dropped him in the 15th. So many good heavyweights at this time, Chuvalo, Quarry, Boneveana, Ingo. Even Patterson was competitive. And Foreman and Holmes and Norton coming up in a few years. Wow, there should have been an international Heavyweight title for guys not fighting the big 3 heavyweights.
(Ali, Frazier, Foreman). Round out the group with Ron Lyle and Ernie Shavers and keep them busy with a lot of great fights headlining just the core talent which was so deep.
Because the money was on just these three we have some serious gaps in matchups that never happened. Think about it:
Ken Norton never fought Joe Frazier. That should have happened!
No rematch between George Foreman and Ali??? The champ always gets a return bout right?
Foreman never fought Larry Holmes?
Because of this, you cannot rank a few of these fighters against the all-time great. You can have an opinion, but you need to prove it in the ring!
A similar thing happened during the 1950s with middleweights: Champs Robinson, Fulmer, Lamotta, Graziano, Basilio, and Zale.
All 6 were champs, But Robinson would not fight Tony Zale, even after comedian Jerry Lewis offered Robinson $300,000 dollars in 1956 money to fight Zale.
And Tyson should have fought Foreman for lineage rights.
Lmao leading against ali he only won like 2 rounds are you blind
To be fair, Norton and Frazier didn’t fight cus they both trained w Eddie Futch
Exactly did he win any rounds
@@juandumois5337 jimmy Ellis and Ali boxed..also were sparring partners and same gym
Oscar wasn't leading it was close but Ali was outboxing Oscar
Frazier proves here in only his 12pro fight that he was a future champion. Getting off the canvas twice to rock back like the tiger he was told us he was the goods.
Frazier was in only his 12th fight, had never gone more than six rounds and they put him in there with a much more experienced fighter, a tough fighter--and it nearly was a disaster. I'd say Frazier won more rounds, but Bonavena had Frazier in bad trouble in the second and in moderate trouble in the 10th. This could have gone either way depending on if there could have been two-point rounds for Bonavena.
Oscar won, 4 rounds each 2 even Oscar dominated round 2 and the championship round .
Nah bro Oscar won 1,2, and 10, Joe won the rest
agree Oscar won this bout
Oscar Bonavena was like a heavyweight version of Roberto Duran.
He didn't have none of defensive
Don't you dare say that he did not have none of the defensive steals of Roberto Duran
Ciara Hall. His aggression reminds me of Duran . He was also hitting Frazier at some good angles.
This version of Frazier would not have been a problem for Ali.
Imagine Ringo against Berbick or Shavers. Wildly entertaining I think.
No Bonavena never win
Never
FOREMAN kill Bonavena
@@ernestoe.chavezt.54 Really. I would predict a very entertaining match. Others like Gil Clancy have wondered about this bout that never happened.
Styles do make for interesting or uninteresting matches.
Funny watching him made me think of Berbick as well. Strong and effectively awkward.
Ambos gladiadores demostraron gran caballerosidad clase y educación
Now that was a good fight two warriors
Bonavena definetly won this fight. Those judges were very biased against him. He outpunched Frazier and seemed to his 2nd wind as Joe seemed to slow down and get more sluggish in his form.
he should be considered to be Hall of Fame...
Here in argentina he is a legend and very popular in his time
@branded beast He took a beating against Frazier not against a nobody, it was Frazier
Joe said Boneva was like fighting a refrigerator, he simply was a very awkward fighter and made everybody look bad at times during his fights. Bonevena was a tough rugged fighter with a lot of strength, if he didnt clinch so much he would have been great to watch. Smokin Joe showed early a heart of a lion, not to many fighters would have made it off the mat after that first punch he walked into. That was a sledgehammer. Good tough fight and i thought Joe clearly won on his aggresiveness and willingness to push the fight to Bonevana. Thats one thing that the New York fighing establishment always gave points for was the fighter that was the aggressor that pushed the fight. Fighters that clinched and broke off the action were not a big point collector in New York scoring of fights.
That’s how it should be viewes
lol, bonavena was beating the shit out of joe in the clinch, ringo was clearly being more aggresive and with the 2 knockdown lead he should have won confortably. but well, north american judges are not going to betray one of their own.
@@micalzoncillo249 - yeah right, black men being so loved in america back in the 1960's. DUH!
Low Blows didn't cost Frazier much in this fight. There were about 24 of them. I don't know how Bonavena could walk.
I'm certain Joe was given to drink the same juice Pryor had in his 1st arguello fight at the end of the 2ond
@@hammer44head there aren't any colors when it's a yanki fighting a south american. north american protect their own even if they are black. watch charlo vs castaño if you don't believe me.
Si Ringo supira tirar ganchos como Foreman, la victoria era indiscutible. Grande Ringo👍👍
Seguro .. foreman era letal así lo destruyó a Norton para mí más peligroso que Frazier ..
Bonavena won the fight.
The commentator mentioned that aggressiveness plays a part in the scoring and Frazier was the aggressor for most of the fight, which is most likely why the judges gave him the decision.
@@johnnym2069 A lot of fights should probably go in the record books as draws. Too often the official line between victory and defeat is subjective and arbitrary. If a reasonable case can be made for each fighter being given the decision then in my book it should be a draw.
@@davidbrandel1311 I feel the same, David. I felt GGG-Canelo II should have been a draw.
How many times has Joe went to the Bread Basket and then came upstairs
That rookie went to work on his
I Stallone got a lot of his Rocky characteristics from Oscar and Joe. You can see a lot of Rocky in the way Oscar moves.
Oscar won this bout //split rounds with Oscar dominating the champ round 2 knockdowns
To be honest, thought it was a home town decision. Thought Bonavena shaded it.
@branded beast Don't think race is an issue here. The fight was at Madison Square Garden, New York. U.S. boxing fans would always back their own man.
@@daviddavies2945
@Micalzon Cillo
Frazier won rounds 1,3,4,5,7,9
Drew round 8
Lost rounds
2,6,10
He won the bout
@@goyonman9655 you are on drugs. they won 5 rounds each and ringo knocked him down twice, frazier didn't fight well enough to erase the knockdowns.
Man, you are the only one i see, who got a real attention at this fight. There is nothing serious Freizer done to Oscar, but Oscar really troubled Freizer. Seems both had equal counts. So, where is advantage? Oscars side.
@David Davies it's not race it's pro American bias
Although the commentator keeps saying that Frazier was "knocked down" twice, the second one was clearly a push to the floor that the referee didn't see and called a knockdown. Frazier was NOT "almost knocked out" by either of the knockdowns, the first of which was only a flash knockdown. Bad refereeing and a lousy call of the fight. Both fighters mauled each other, but neither beat the other up. Frazier didn't look as good here as he did later in his career. No "Smokin' Joe" bobbing and weaving, just plodding forward, squared up, and missing with a lot of wild, sweeping left hooks.
This bout was not close, the exception being the 1st, 2nd and 10th rounds ; " Ringo" showed NOTHING but holding and clinching, and occasionally a punch.
I had the same card but that makes it 95-93 which is pretty close
Clinches are legal ,,low blows are not and don't count as landed punches ..
@@3rdpersonality48 A certain number of clinched are allowed and the definition of a low blow is pretty vague
@@BlakeHardisonMMA modern pugilism boxing rules ..I'll go by that
@@BlakeHardisonMMA lennox lewis and Ali 2 of the greatest pugilist to ever do it ...joe Frazier definitely one of the best fighter boxers ever
Two warriors. What a fight !!!!!
Bonavena gave a punish to Frazier. Bonavema won the fight.
No
Agree bonavema won but very close fight.
Dame right
Of course Bonavena won!!!!!
It's almost like older guys like me revisiting and truly not understanding what we were witnessing
Siempre admiré a Ringo, por su rudeza, su valentía y hasta por su personalidad.
Oscar really was the winner, i think the referee was not honest at all
Audience we can see: almost all men. And almost all wearing suit and tie. Different times.
What a battle :)
I scored it 9-1 rounds to Frazier, so that's obviously why I'm not a professional judge.
Three knockdown rule is dumb. If Frazier went down one more time the fight would’ve been over
Why the hell would that make the rule dumb? Don't get knocked down three fucking times in a round... how the hell can someone complain about that? Worthless opinion.
@@Cubroncs03 if a guy gets knocked down three times and the ref thinks he’s fine , isn’t that enough. If you really think it through, it makes no sense. What if Frazier went down one more time in that round? He isn’t hurt enough to stop the fight but he’d lose because of one awful round. Think about this, a guy gets up three times, and is ok. You want the fight to be over? Why, this a great fight between these two guys.
@@Frankaziza1 here's the thing, what if i could beat the shit out of you in the ground? if you are so hurt that you can't maintain balance then that's it. fight's over. there's a 3 rule knockdown for the same reason it's illegal to fight up to 15 rounds, fighter safety.
@@Frankaziza1 Cuzz they were working up the ranks//Oscar won anyhow this was a robbery
unfortunatelly Ringo did not know how to finish weak Frazier... lack of experience of judgement... and gave to Frazier a chance to recover...
Que grande ringo enfrentó y complicó a las leyendas más grandes del boxeo.
Looks like Oscar was bigger, stronger and gifted with a lot of natural ability but Frazier trained harder for the fight, which made All the difference in the second round!
ali got his jaw broken then he stopped all that trash talk
Did the announcer stubble , calling out the black trunk wearer?
mike would run thru joe look how easy oscar dropped him would be no way for joe to stop mike from hitting him
According to Eddie Futch, he developed Joe's bob & weave style specifically after this fight.
When Bonavena fought Frazier in this fight. the fight went to Frazier because they judged Frazier had outboxed him. But when Bonovena fought Jimmy Elis. another close fight, but Bonavena appeared to have the upper hand in the fight, went to Elis, cause he knocked Oscar down twice. Go figure.
Bonavena WON that fight and knocked joe Frazer to the Canvas twice and LOST the fight?????????
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I watched this fight on the one T.V. in my fraternity house. Seeing him get up and come on made me believe he’d do the same against Big George as it was happening. It’s still shocking.
@uncjim
Frazier was a basically a one dementional fighter..He wasn't scientific with his method of boxing..I don't know why he thought he could stand toe to toe against Foreman's big azz!! He kept approaching Foreman the same way over, and over and got beat down..You gotta have different tactics for different fighters...It's more than one way to skin a cat..Frazier was a one dementional fighter..
SweetAzzPie W
Agree
@@sweetazzpiew8490 Well the first fight he didn't really take foreman seriously and the 2nd fought he was past prime and health issues were taking its toll.
@@trey4323
Joe got up after every knockdown in both fights with Big George. Chin of steel and heart of a champ.
@@albanyorganics3030
Without question..great fighter was Smokin’ Joe Frazier.
This is an example of a fixed fight....Bowing to the boxing gate potential of an Ali Frazier fight... I believe that Bonavena one the match.
The referee was not good allowing Frazier head butting Bonavena many times which led to the cut over Bonavena's left eye in the 2nd round. Frasier also landed many low blows but was only warned once. I scored the fight a draw. If points were deducted as they should've been, Bonavena would've won. 35:36