Archer's recommendation for more weapons and the new captain be ready to use them always struck me as tragic. Archer was not a military man, he didnt want to be military, he didnt sign up for military. He wanted to be an explorer, a discoverer, and a pathfinder for humanity. Instead, he increasingly found himself in combat and sending people to die. He was jaded, angry, and depressed.
Experience will almost always let you know that your high ideals are bs. The real world, or galaxy, is mean, nasty, and unforgiving. Yes, they needed better offense and defense. Archer learned that you must be prepared. Pacifists are often the first to die.
Still though.......who goes out to explore without the most basic of defense functions? NX-01 didn't even have phasers, sorry "Pulse cannons", operational when they first launched.
Not all the crew were killed in the vortices, one engineer survived, he was mid transport when the intense energy hit the ship, his transporter beam rematerialised in an alternate universe. A universe that was similar but diverged in the timeline from around the 1990s, he struggled with the loss of his crew mates, with never being able to return to his family or to his home, as he knew it. He almost gave up being enlisted but he pulled through, went into command, made a new home, new friends and one day became the captain of a ship called the Orville. It's 100% cannon
you could not blame them for creation of borg,since the celliar created unknowingly a timeloop,leading always to the big issue that displaced that one city into the past,with just the right kind of psychopath on it. It had always to happen. which makes it even more tragic as it already is. (awesome story btw, my favorit borg origin story of all time)
I personally believe that Borg was just a tool of greater force. What was using Federations for own means (totally not robot squids from future). For reminder Gainan stated that Borg behavior toward Earth was irregular. Borg usually send thousands Cubes to ensure total assimilation of the target. But in case of Earth ships were send one by one. If you think about it if not Wolf 359, Earth would be vastly unprepared for Dominion War. And they did not learn they lesson where Starfleet was almost wiped by alien virus. But they did get the point after Borg attacked them during Fleet Day and so they start dispersing own forces more carefully. Same First Contact actually has impact on the Cochrane, who take inspiration seeing Sovereign in the sky. So random Borg emergency signal probably was not the cause of issue. It was part of the greater plan.
Technically they did but the only reason Borg knew of humanity in the 21st. Century was that when Picard blue up the escape sphere he created a chicken egg loop the Borg in archer time were able to send a message using the 24th century nano tech so Borg were already heading toward earth in archer time
I just realized that Enterprise was the first shuttle, and Columbia was the second, Enterprise was retried after the test flights, while Columbia didn't make it to retirement....
@@atticstattic if I remember correctly the plan was to use Enterprise for testing, and then re-fit it into a full orbiter, however the cost turned out to be way higher than estimated so they retired it.
@webduelist If I am remembering correctly, and, as an aside, James Doohan gave a presentation about this at the U of I Chicago around 1977 - there were no plans beyond using _Enterprise_ for testing the 747 transport and its glide/landings. If intended for space, why not simply build it that way from the start.
@@webduelist The first orbital capable shuttle was supposed to be named Enterprise (as a direct result of TOS), and the test shuttlewas going to be named Columbia. But there was public confusion (people didn't realize that the first shuttle wasn't going to be going to space, ever), leading to a large public outcry by Trek fans, leading to the names being switched.
Interesting! I owned an X-BOX 360 game called- Star Trek: Legacy In that game, it is revealed that it was V'GER who created the Borg in order to assist it in completing its mission! To learn, or "Assimilate" all there is to know and gave them the autonomy to operate and complete their objective! Eventually, V'GER became self-aware and realized that it needed to evolve. Which is when it returned to earth, to "join with the creator.". Once V'GER accomplished that, it no longer needed the Borg. But it didn't shut them down before joining with the "creator" a.k.a. Captain Decker. As a result, the borg continued to assimilate until they grew beyond the original programming. Unfortunately, they didn't take a big step away from the original programming. They just adopted a new reason for assimilation. The pursuit of perfection!
The Caeliar created their own time loop that caused their own destruction as it were which lead to the creation of the Borg and the ultimate end of the Columbia. I'd hazard a guess that Columbia's presence probably wouldn't have changed things much, with the exception of the end of the Borg.
The Star Trek Destiny novels are a MUST read. Spoilers: It was Columbia crew members who were the first Borg with one of them being "occupied" by a Caeliar who went on to be the Queen.
I always thought when Paramount made Star Trek: Beyond. They missed a way of further tying in that the Kelvin timeline (especially with Leonard Nimoy having passed away) as an offshoot of the Prime timeline. Instead of the Kelvin timeline's Enterprise 1701 crew finding the Franklin they could have found the Columbia instead.
That would have been cool. I wonder if copyright restrictions were part of the reason why they didn't use the columbia. The Kelvin USS Enterprise had to look different from the TOS one because of copyright restrictions. Since the Columbia existed before the Kelvin Timeline, it should look the same, but copyright restrictions will surely apply to it.
So, a revolt aboard an early Starfleet Ship created a butterfly effect which created the Borg? There's an irony. I had a feeling something bad would happen to Columbia in the series because of what happened to the real life space shuttle Columbia, but at least it has a good story to it.
Unfortunately Enterprise was caned after the war. Though considering that according to Beta canon books, holo-recording from show finale was fake. I do believe that it actually fall in temporal anomaly. Speaking of that Archer Drive was notorious for causing those and I believe the same happen with Columbia. And crew only assumed it was due to dilatation. After all similar incidents happen with Ceres class SS Bonaventure and Freedom class NX Franklin. So there was a pattern. It also would explain why Vulcans agree to share own classified Warp 7 drive. To rid off Henry Archer Engines.
From what I remembered about Star Trek Enterprise's Series Finale, the final episode Riker fast-forwarded to their tenth year as the show was terminated on Season Four and they skipped 6 whole seasons to the point when Archer signed the charter. The non-canon books wrote two stories. The Romulans made it to Earth to destroy Starbase One and Earth, Columbia being a victim of that incident blowing up. The second one said they disappeared in Tau Ceti like the Bermuda Triangle and wound up in the Gamma Quadrant buried on a desert with all lives lost.
Are there any Starfleet ships named Titanic? I heard there were was one named Challenger and another the Titan. I guess the ship named never read "The Wreck of the Titan" or "Futilty" by Morgan Robertson. Must be bad luck to name ships after those who suffered disasters , including the Space Shuttle Columbia and the submersible Titan who took 5 passengers to visit the RMS Titanic.
@virginiaconnor8350 The Titan was an expected disaster for me. The instant I heard that the main hull was carbon fiber, I expected some form of critical failure. I pity the poor souls lost, but I don't think you should let events of the modern world tinge how you see the naming conventions in Trek.
I choose to ignore non-canon for some of these points. By tying Columbia to the creation and destruction of the Borg you make the Star Trek Galaxy WAY smaller whilst making the story unrealistically complicated. It's just kinda shoddy writing imo.
I have to agree. I don't like the idea everything has to be linked to everything. Columbia shouldn't have been involved with the creation of Borg at all. It went missing the end. Bad writing/lack original ideas how i felt too.
@Dixa1 The story doesn't contradict that. In fact it explicitly mentions a small group of Columbia survivors and Caeliar being sent back in time several thousand years and that's where they somewhat accidentally create the first drones. The video didn't go into that as he said - its for another time
@blackyvertigo Columbia was sent waaaay back in time, resulting in the surviving crewmembers being forced (against their will) to fuse with the Caeliar who had been sent back with them. The Borg were born when the fused entities assimilated the inhabitants of the planet they were on. The Caeliar use Omega Particles as a power source, hence the Borgs interest in Omega.
I really liked the Destiny Trilogy. Then again I read a lot of the books so I was already invested in USS Titan and other post-Nemesis stuff I just thought "Finally, we've put the Borg to bed. No more '... But one survived, and adapted' shenanigans". I mean, they had the deactivated defeated Cube itself become sentient then Janeway getting assimilated in another book! Also bear in mind the Shatner-verse Borg origin world, that assimilated Voyager probe for TOS movie, with a massive circuit breaker that turned off every Borg
I smiled as soon as I heard the disclaimer. THIS was going to be a good video concerning the Columbia. 🖖Live long and prosper Trek Central. This is the video that I hit the subscribe button on...
one of the most underrated nx class vessels, it never got to get its refit. The neat thing is that the nx refit was named after the Columbia after it was lost
OK, New to the channel, and happy to be here! That was interesting and well told, AND I am happy to get the recommendation on a new trilogy. I have heard so many mixed things about this or that Star Trek book covering years of them, I just, er, wrote them off.
Thanks for relating this really interesting story of the NX-02 USS Colombia. I think it falls into the bracket of those lost 22nd-century shops, such the USS Archon, USS Essex, USS Franklin, etc. Not sure about Starfleet inadvertently creating the Birg, though. I think the Borg fit better with a much longer entrenched history from with the Delta Quadrant. Good stuff, though. Worth revisiting ST:VOY. 👍🏾
The NX registration means Navy Experimental... there were more then 3 NX registered starships... the ones you mentioned yes!!! But even the defiant was an NX ship... it's call number being NX - 74205 for example
I have long wished that the Destiny trilogy would have been turned into a Trek movie or mini-series. Then the story would have become cannon. I'm sure some adjustments to the story would have been needed due to real world considerations. Still, the basic plot and story of Destiny is quite impressive. In my opinion, those are still the best Star Trek novels.
Oops .... i *"accidently"* created the Borg ..... silly me!!😎😎 Thank you for another great video, Lt Cmd Adam. Your injection of humour makes it much more enjoyable. 💪
The NX class was such a great theatrical design and addition to Trek. Loved it when the Enterprise & the Columbia vertreped Trip from Columbia back onto Enterprise.🖖🏽
I guess she could have taken Archer's advice. But that would have meant listening to someone who was experienced with the issue they were warning her about.
I find it interesting now, where you had the Klingons basically unloading on an unprotected Earth and juxtapose that with the end of Picard with Space Dock being a beast and protecting the Earth from the most advanced Fleet in the Galaxy.
"I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." From the bridge plaque of the USS Yamato NCC-71807. United Federation of Planets
Listening and watching the latter part of the video in regards of the rediscovery of the NX-02 Columbia, it would've made a great couple of Episodes for "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" to have been aired. It's too bad it wasn't done or explored. Perhaps it could be done in the form of a "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" movie that could be released.
That would have been really cool to see both movie wise and show wise but, i think you forgot Star Trek Deep Space Nine was create before Start Trek Enterprise was even thought on a piece of paper as the info in the show was create after DS9 Finish airing, that would have been alot of gaps to fill with no back story. Take Star wars episode 4 it came before the prequels and none of us at the time would have though Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker was the same until you got the back story
@@Criptid Please forgive me for wanting to see a potential good movie or series of "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" Episodes being made. However, I did get a "Loved Comment" from the poster of the video. That's a 'Consolation Prize' for me.
I meant bo disrespect i would also love to see that movie or show I just pointes out the fact that DS9 came before Enterprise so the elements of a movie or episode wouldnt make sense in that time without an explanation
Talk about temporal loops…The first NASA Shuttle was named ‘Enterprise’ after the USS Enterprise, the next ships Columbia etc…in a strange way, without NCC 1701, there would be no NX-01 or Columbia. I guess Shatner will take credit for that 😂
13:12 The idea of retrofitting the Columbia with 25th century tech and returning it to active duty seems a wee bit silly to me. Like to me the fact the Miranda and Excelsior class ships are still being used a hundred years after their invention stretches credulity, but the Columbia at that point would have been over three hundred years old. So refitting it and putting it back into active service would be akin to the US navy "refitting" the USS Monitor and going "Yes! This Civil War era ironclad that we've welded a cruise missile launcher to will be a fine fit for our modern navy!" Like after a point the platform itself is so obsolete that you would figure it'd be less expensive and more effective to simply make a new ship
I've never seen the Star trek Enterprise episodes with the Columbia, but I've read the 3 novels had the journey that Capt. Hernandez took with the Caeller and involving the Borg war.these were great novels.
Very cool to see coverage of some of that alternate pre-Kurtzman novel material. I remember reading the Destiny books years ago. Still have the all-in-one trilogy compilation they put out. It was a fun enough story. Always cool to see those characters as their lives continue on, like Captain Dax.
The ST Destiny books are the only ones I've read and they were great. I'm planning on reading the ones after it called Typhoon Expanse or something like that. Happy to have had my memory refreshed listening to this.
@@kylekeller9371 - That wasn't input. It was an inquiry. What you provided was input, and your input had no relevance to the inquiry, so ironically is what is unneeded.
Nice try your word play almost comes across as intelligent. Do you understand what input means, there by your definition your inquiry and my statement would both be input. Ironic isn't it, my statement has just as much relevance as your trolling inquiry, try again.
@@kylekeller9371 - I'd mention something about "try", but that's another franchise. Peace is always better than anger. So I'll remind you of IDIC instead.
If I remember right, there was an episode where Borg were found on earth centuries before, as they crashed in the Antarctica ice, then found by 2155 eara scientists, so your train of thought of the Federation creating their own enemy is off a bit. As the Borg queen explained in the movie First contact.
The Borg were created centuries prior, we didn't explain in this video as its a whole other topic, but the caeliar and humans went through a vortex which sent them back in time to the delta quadrant. Those Borg found in the artic was from the Borg Sphere that the Enterprise-E blew up in orbit of Earth in First Contact - Dom
Just curious the blue flash when it goes to warp is that flash the same as the demon core?. And when did the federation start doing a saucer seperate design?.
How many borg origin stories are there? The only one I heard of before now was that Voyager 6 landed on a planet that did some stuff with it and then released it back into space, eventually leading it to the events of the motion picture, and the species on that planet eventually became the borg.
The Mirror-Vulcans: "Suffer EXTREMELY Long, and fail miserably. At EVERYTHING!!!" while doing the Roman greeting gesture. You got to love the Mirrorverse, nae?
3.37 ,I notice that Columbia's bridge is the same as the bridge of the NX-01 Enterprise except for the 8 total energy pole in the background & the tablet / computer panel pole between the Captain chair & the weapon system chair ,,
As its the same ship, it's expected that the bridge is identical. I would have found it better to not try to change it. Making the bridge an even more lethal space by letting the plasma conducts running through it
At 6:10, that is the USS Frankilin from the Adramverse. And it was the Romulans from Picard series that created the Borg, but because of that battle, maybe they were both to blame.
I loved the look of the NX class. Simple, purposeful and loved how it felt like a submarine as compared to the newer star ships. I wish Enterprise had 7 season like the 3 previous ST shows. I would have loved seeing the refit in action.
On the 02 bridge that screen serves no purpose facing away from everyone, those flashing light tubes seem like they would be a huge pain in the ass. I love that photo in the thumbnail but it does make the ship feel amazingly small
I read the book that ends with the creation of the BORG a long time ago, I would love to reread it but I can't remember the books name, if anyone has the name could you please forward it? Thank you!
What is with the tubes at the back of the bridge at 0:53 that start lighting up? It couldn't have anything to do with the engines, in any meaningful way as engineering is reasonably far away from the bridge.
There's some artwork of Columia crashed on a planet, with the Feds having small craft and people checking it out. I believe the artwork is associated with something other than one of those novels mentioned?
Nice job. I'm a huge Star Trek fan and was curious about the NX-02 Columbia. I would have liked to see Columbia's delightfully girl-ish captain serve as an officer under Archer to battle aliens and T'Pol for Archer's attention. She reminds me of Julie McCoy, Cruise Director of the Love Boat.
Even with warp capable ships, these early Starfleet ships still would've been handicapped by the most notorious and insidious of exploration issues there is, "logistics". Food, water as well as medical supplies and other common needs would have held back the mission. This is before the advent of replicator technology so like the ocean going ships of old starships would still need resupply. Still this period of star trek was those "heady days" of exploration and people just wanted go see what was out there beyond our telescopes.
The Columbia had it pretty bad. From the telepresence unit taking the ship to the engine damage to the mutiny ect. When aventine found her she was in impossible shape.
I have a question that might put a few holes in the "Rise of the Borg. If the Borg were in fact created by Starfleet, then why did the Borg try to communicate with their 21st century counterparts during "First Contact"? If the Borg were not created until the late 21st century, then who were the Borg trying to contact during First Contact?
The Borg were created centuries prior, we didn't explain in this video as its a whole other topic, but the caeliar and humans went through a vortex which sent them back in time to the delta quadrant - Dom
Whoa! At 6:04 is that Babylon 5? I never realized that the Vorlons, Shadows, Minbari, Centauri, Narn, or League of Non-Aligned Worlds were in Star Trek!
I am a big fan of Larry Niven’s “Known Universe” series of short stories. In the Star Trek cartoon series the Kzinti were introduced by adapting the Niven short story “A Gift of Empire” into the series. The Kzin have a unique anatomy. They have a geodesic bone structure. In WWII there was a bomber that had such a structure, Vickers Wellington. Look at that plane’s structure to get an idea of what it may look like. Niven also had a drawing in one of his shirt story anthologies.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and form on this format and the subject matter provided on the NX-02 Columbia and all of Her duties and missions that she preformed till the time of her disappearance and then being found crashed landed in the Gama quadrant in 2373 by the U.S.S. Defiant!,👌.
Wow that was fast the Ensign at the helm of Columbia just got promoted to Lieutenant before they even left space dock. Forever Ensign Harry Kim would certainly be jealous.
I watched most of this show when it first aired but haven't seen it in years. Been tempted to buy the series but I still haven't watched "Andromeda" in the boxed set which was also done by Roddenberry.
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!!!! I wanna know more of the Borg lore you speak of? I had my hunch one the alien ship with Veger (lol) from the motion picture I MUST KNOW MORE!!!!!!
I personally don't count Enterprise as cannon, as it outright contradicts facts giving in the The Original Series and TNG; such as the Romulans didn't have warp tech till they stole it from the federation. But in Enterprise they have warp 5 ships, and were trying to make a warp 7 ship.
Aside from canon-issues.... The Federation strives for a harmonious Universe in which all species exist and cooperate side-by-side to solve problems together and to work towards a better future united in purpose. The Borg strive for a harmonious Universe in which all species exist and cooperate side-by-side to reach absolute perfection. The Federation and the Borg have only ONE significant difference. And this difference is found in the autonomous individuality each organisation allows their members to have. The Federation strives for the perfect future in harmony by allowing every individual member to be their best self for themselves so that the community may benefit from the individuals best self. To create perfect living conditions so that the individuals can focus their time and energy on being the best they they can be and through that work towards and even better future. The Borg on the other hand unify their individual members into a hive mind, removing individual goals and ambitions in favor of being able to focus all ressources into the final goal of the perfected harmonious collective. The Borg are the natural enemy of the Federation, not because they are so different, but actually because they are too similar with the one dividing point being a the only necessary direct opposite to make an extensive alliance impossible. But one thing remains, the Borg are not the opposite of the Federation. They are a different approach to the same question. It is actually no surprise that something like the Borg could be the result of Federation research and development.
Archer's recommendation for more weapons and the new captain be ready to use them always struck me as tragic. Archer was not a military man, he didnt want to be military, he didnt sign up for military. He wanted to be an explorer, a discoverer, and a pathfinder for humanity. Instead, he increasingly found himself in combat and sending people to die. He was jaded, angry, and depressed.
Experience will almost always let you know that your high ideals are bs. The real world, or galaxy, is mean, nasty, and unforgiving. Yes, they needed better offense and defense. Archer learned that you must be prepared. Pacifists are often the first to die.
He just wanted to set right what once went wrong..
Still though.......who goes out to explore without the most basic of defense functions? NX-01 didn't even have phasers, sorry "Pulse cannons", operational when they first launched.
No weapons would have helped Columbia. None. Not in destiny.
id' rather have more guns on hand than not enough guns when it's time to use them.
Not all the crew were killed in the vortices, one engineer survived, he was mid transport when the intense energy hit the ship, his transporter beam rematerialised in an alternate universe. A universe that was similar but diverged in the timeline from around the 1990s, he struggled with the loss of his crew mates, with never being able to return to his family or to his home, as he knew it. He almost gave up being enlisted but he pulled through, went into command, made a new home, new friends and one day became the captain of a ship called the Orville. It's 100% cannon
I’ll take that explanation as Cannon
Hahahahahahahahahahah
Brilliant. He had a pretty good voice as well.
@@EnsignRedSquad Cannon = really big gun; Perhaps you meant canon. 🥴
Canon*. Not cannon. A “cannon” is a weapon. “Canon” is storyline.
Learn the difference.
The scene @ around 6:06 was from a Babylon 5 scramble scene, the uniforms give it away (huge fan of B5 here).
4:32 (in Pakled voice) “Books are good… books make your think strong… strong is good… read the books and become strong”. 😆
you could not blame them for creation of borg,since the celliar created unknowingly a timeloop,leading always to the big issue that displaced that one city into the past,with just the right kind of psychopath on it. It had always to happen. which makes it even more tragic as it already is. (awesome story btw, my favorit borg origin story of all time)
I personally believe that Borg was just a tool of greater force. What was using Federations for own means (totally not robot squids from future). For reminder Gainan stated that Borg behavior toward Earth was irregular. Borg usually send thousands Cubes to ensure total assimilation of the target. But in case of Earth ships were send one by one. If you think about it if not Wolf 359, Earth would be vastly unprepared for Dominion War. And they did not learn they lesson where Starfleet was almost wiped by alien virus. But they did get the point after Borg attacked them during Fleet Day and so they start dispersing own forces more carefully. Same First Contact actually has impact on the Cochrane, who take inspiration seeing Sovereign in the sky. So random Borg emergency signal probably was not the cause of issue. It was part of the greater plan.
Technically they did but the only reason Borg knew of humanity in the 21st. Century was that when Picard blue up the escape sphere he created a chicken egg loop the Borg in archer time were able to send a message using the 24th century nano tech so Borg were already heading toward earth in archer time
I just realized that Enterprise was the first shuttle, and Columbia was the second, Enterprise was retried after the test flights, while Columbia didn't make it to retirement....
'Retired' is a bit of a misnomer, as it was never intended for orbit.
@@atticstattic if I remember correctly the plan was to use Enterprise for testing, and then re-fit it into a full orbiter, however the cost turned out to be way higher than estimated so they retired it.
@webduelist
If I am remembering correctly, and, as an aside, James Doohan gave a presentation about this at the U of I Chicago around 1977 - there were no plans beyond using _Enterprise_ for testing the 747 transport and its glide/landings.
If intended for space, why not simply build it that way from the start.
@@webduelist The first orbital capable shuttle was supposed to be named Enterprise (as a direct result of TOS), and the test shuttlewas going to be named Columbia. But there was public confusion (people didn't realize that the first shuttle wasn't going to be going to space, ever), leading to a large public outcry by Trek fans, leading to the names being switched.
Interesting! I owned an X-BOX 360 game called-
Star Trek: Legacy
In that game, it is revealed that it was V'GER who created the Borg in order to assist it in completing its mission! To learn, or "Assimilate" all there is to know and gave them the autonomy to operate and complete their objective! Eventually, V'GER became self-aware and realized that it needed to evolve. Which is when it returned to earth, to "join with the creator.".
Once V'GER accomplished that, it no longer needed the Borg. But it didn't shut them down before joining with the "creator" a.k.a. Captain Decker. As a result, the borg continued to assimilate until they grew beyond the original programming. Unfortunately, they didn't take a big step away from the original programming. They just adopted a new reason for assimilation. The pursuit of perfection!
Finally Destiny gets a voice, deffo one that needs or needed to be a movie. It was the best "origin" story so far.
Had _Enterprise_ gotten a fifth season, show runner Manny Coto stated that they would have begun the run up to the Earth-Romulan War during it..
I love how you guys talk about this stuff like it is real and not just a television show pure entertainment and fantasy. It's a hoot!
The Caeliar created their own time loop that caused their own destruction as it were which lead to the creation of the Borg and the ultimate end of the Columbia. I'd hazard a guess that Columbia's presence probably wouldn't have changed things much, with the exception of the end of the Borg.
Mars getting eaten was a nice touch at the end of the series. You had to KNOW that was NEVER going to be allowed to be canon, lol!
The Star Trek Destiny novels are a MUST read.
Spoilers:
It was Columbia crew members who were the first Borg with one of them being "occupied" by a Caeliar who went on to be the Queen.
@@jdschauss wut
History will never forget The NX-02 Columbia
haha amen to that for sure :)
I'm sure theres no coincidence that an all female main bridge crew happened to lose the ship.
@@samuraikyokkan and the all female engineering crew couldn't get the engines started.
Columbia burned up on reentry into the atmosphere.
I always thought when Paramount made Star Trek: Beyond. They missed a way of further tying in that the Kelvin timeline (especially with Leonard Nimoy having passed away) as an offshoot of the Prime timeline. Instead of the Kelvin timeline's Enterprise 1701 crew finding the Franklin they could have found the Columbia instead.
That would have been an outstanding idea.
Yeah, but then they would have had to make the Captain Hernandez the villain.
@@Shadowkey392 why not instead of the Captain it's still the same as before but the command crew died in the crash.
The used the Franklin in Star Trek beyond because the director Justin Lin wanted to honor his father, Frank Lin.
That would have been cool. I wonder if copyright restrictions were part of the reason why they didn't use the columbia. The Kelvin USS Enterprise had to look different from the TOS one because of copyright restrictions. Since the Columbia existed before the Kelvin Timeline, it should look the same, but copyright restrictions will surely apply to it.
So, a revolt aboard an early Starfleet Ship created a butterfly effect which created the Borg? There's an irony. I had a feeling something bad would happen to Columbia in the series because of what happened to the real life space shuttle Columbia, but at least it has a good story to it.
Sad story. Need to get those books...thank you!
In the book, Captain Riker and his crew meet Columbia's Captain,
I always wondered what happened to the Columbia. I'd actually hoped that she'd survived the Romulan War to serve alongside the Enterprise post-war.
Unfortunately Enterprise was caned after the war. Though considering that according to Beta canon books, holo-recording from show finale was fake. I do believe that it actually fall in temporal anomaly. Speaking of that Archer Drive was notorious for causing those and I believe the same happen with Columbia. And crew only assumed it was due to dilatation. After all similar incidents happen with Ceres class SS Bonaventure and Freedom class NX Franklin. So there was a pattern. It also would explain why Vulcans agree to share own classified Warp 7 drive. To rid off Henry Archer Engines.
From what I remembered about Star Trek Enterprise's Series Finale, the final episode Riker fast-forwarded to their tenth year as the show was terminated on Season Four and they skipped 6 whole seasons to the point when Archer signed the charter.
The non-canon books wrote two stories. The Romulans made it to Earth to destroy Starbase One and Earth, Columbia being a victim of that incident blowing up. The second one said they disappeared in Tau Ceti like the Bermuda Triangle and wound up in the Gamma Quadrant buried on a desert with all lives lost.
Are there any Starfleet ships named Titanic? I heard there were was one named Challenger and another the Titan. I guess the ship named never read "The Wreck of the Titan" or "Futilty" by Morgan Robertson. Must be bad luck to name ships after those who suffered disasters , including the Space Shuttle Columbia and the submersible Titan who took 5 passengers to visit the RMS Titanic.
@virginiaconnor8350 The Titan was an expected disaster for me. The instant I heard that the main hull was carbon fiber, I expected some form of critical failure. I pity the poor souls lost, but I don't think you should let events of the modern world tinge how you see the naming conventions in Trek.
The Star Trek Destiny book does a good job of explaining what happened to the Columbia.
I choose to ignore non-canon for some of these points. By tying Columbia to the creation and destruction of the Borg you make the Star Trek Galaxy WAY smaller whilst making the story unrealistically complicated. It's just kinda shoddy writing imo.
I have to agree. I don't like the idea everything has to be linked to everything. Columbia shouldn't have been involved with the creation of Borg at all. It went missing the end. Bad writing/lack original ideas how i felt too.
it's also been addressed on a tv series that the borg were active in the delta quadrant as early as the 1990's
@Dixa1 The story doesn't contradict that. In fact it explicitly mentions a small group of Columbia survivors and Caeliar being sent back in time several thousand years and that's where they somewhat accidentally create the first drones.
The video didn't go into that as he said - its for another time
@blackyvertigo Columbia was sent waaaay back in time, resulting in the surviving crewmembers being forced (against their will) to fuse with the Caeliar who had been sent back with them. The Borg were born when the fused entities assimilated the inhabitants of the planet they were on. The Caeliar use Omega Particles as a power source, hence the Borgs interest in Omega.
I really liked the Destiny Trilogy. Then again I read a lot of the books so I was already invested in USS Titan and other post-Nemesis stuff
I just thought "Finally, we've put the Borg to bed. No more '... But one survived, and adapted' shenanigans". I mean, they had the deactivated defeated Cube itself become sentient then Janeway getting assimilated in another book!
Also bear in mind the Shatner-verse Borg origin world, that assimilated Voyager probe for TOS movie, with a massive circuit breaker that turned off every Borg
I smiled as soon as I heard the disclaimer. THIS was going to be a good video concerning the Columbia. 🖖Live long and prosper Trek Central. This is the video that I hit the subscribe button on...
Thanks for your support!
- Jack
I'm sure theres no coincidence that an all female main bridge crew happened to lose the ship
one of the most underrated nx class vessels, it never got to get its refit. The neat thing is that the nx refit was named after the Columbia after it was lost
OK, New to the channel, and happy to be here! That was interesting and well told, AND I am happy to get the recommendation on a new trilogy. I have heard so many mixed things about this or that Star Trek book covering years of them, I just, er, wrote them off.
Welcome aboard!
Thanks for relating this really interesting story of the NX-02 USS Colombia. I think it falls into the bracket of those lost 22nd-century shops, such the USS Archon, USS Essex, USS Franklin, etc. Not sure about Starfleet inadvertently creating the Birg, though. I think the Borg fit better with a much longer entrenched history from with the Delta Quadrant. Good stuff, though. Worth revisiting ST:VOY. 👍🏾
The scene where Enterprise is leading an armada - what episode is that in?
The NX registration means Navy Experimental... there were more then 3 NX registered starships... the ones you mentioned yes!!! But even the defiant was an NX ship... it's call number being NX - 74205 for example
I have long wished that the Destiny trilogy would have been turned into a Trek movie or mini-series. Then the story would have become cannon. I'm sure some adjustments to the story would have been needed due to real world considerations. Still, the basic plot and story of Destiny is quite impressive. In my opinion, those are still the best Star Trek novels.
Nicely done. One question. Did I see some Star Fury pilots scrambling at one point in the video?
You did, or we're both seeing things.
Yes. B5 rules...
What are those disco lights behind the captains seat on the NX-02 Bridge?
Great video. I'd like to see a show, movie etc. with the refit of the original NX-01 Enterprise. Too bad we didn't get that 5th season....grrrrr :)
Oops .... i *"accidently"* created the Borg ..... silly me!!😎😎
Thank you for another great video, Lt Cmd Adam. Your injection of humour makes it much more enjoyable. 💪
Starfleet in 24th century, speaking to NX-02: Don't create the Borg!
@BAAS sorry about that, it just happened!!
The NX class was such a great theatrical design and addition to Trek. Loved it when the Enterprise & the Columbia vertreped Trip from Columbia back onto Enterprise.🖖🏽
Best narrator ever!
I guess she could have taken Archer's advice. But that would have meant listening to someone who was experienced with the issue they were warning her about.
hernandez to archer "i dont need you mansplaining things to me" - probably
I find it interesting now, where you had the Klingons basically unloading on an unprotected Earth and juxtapose that with the end of Picard with Space Dock being a beast and protecting the Earth from the most advanced Fleet in the Galaxy.
"I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
From the bridge plaque of the USS Yamato NCC-71807. United Federation of Planets
great name
fits with sister ships NX-03 Titanic and NX-04 Hindenburg
Listening and watching the latter part of the video in regards of the rediscovery of the NX-02 Columbia, it would've made a great couple of Episodes for "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" to have been aired. It's too bad it wasn't done or explored. Perhaps it could be done in the form of a "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" movie that could be released.
That would have been really cool to see both movie wise and show wise but, i think you forgot Star Trek Deep Space Nine was create before Start Trek Enterprise was even thought on a piece of paper as the info in the show was create after DS9 Finish airing, that would have been alot of gaps to fill with no back story. Take Star wars episode 4 it came before the prequels and none of us at the time would have though Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker was the same until you got the back story
@@Criptid Please forgive me for wanting to see a potential good movie or series of "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" Episodes being made. However, I did get a "Loved Comment" from the poster of the video. That's a 'Consolation Prize' for me.
I meant bo disrespect i would also love to see that movie or show I just pointes out the fact that DS9 came before Enterprise so the elements of a movie or episode wouldnt make sense in that time without an explanation
Wait, what? Only a casual fan here but did the video show Romulan ships coming out of /warp/?! Thought Kirk said they only had sub-light...
Talk about temporal loops…The first NASA Shuttle was named ‘Enterprise’ after the USS Enterprise, the next ships Columbia etc…in a strange way, without NCC 1701, there would be no NX-01 or Columbia. I guess Shatner will take credit for that 😂
As well he should! 😄
Ah, but one novel (I forget which) rationalized that by saying that the Shuttle Enterprise was name for the aircraft carrier.
@@emsleywyatt3400I may be wrong on this; but seems the US Navy has had an "Enterprise" on the active rolls since the 1700's
13:12 The idea of retrofitting the Columbia with 25th century tech and returning it to active duty seems a wee bit silly to me. Like to me the fact the Miranda and Excelsior class ships are still being used a hundred years after their invention stretches credulity, but the Columbia at that point would have been over three hundred years old. So refitting it and putting it back into active service would be akin to the US navy "refitting" the USS Monitor and going "Yes! This Civil War era ironclad that we've welded a cruise missile launcher to will be a fine fit for our modern navy!" Like after a point the platform itself is so obsolete that you would figure it'd be less expensive and more effective to simply make a new ship
agree, that ship belongs in a museum, not a battlefield.
I've never seen the Star trek Enterprise episodes with the Columbia, but I've read the 3 novels had the journey that Capt. Hernandez took with the Caeller and involving the Borg war.these were great novels.
Very cool to see coverage of some of that alternate pre-Kurtzman novel material. I remember reading the Destiny books years ago. Still have the all-in-one trilogy compilation they put out. It was a fun enough story. Always cool to see those characters as their lives continue on, like Captain Dax.
The ST Destiny books are the only ones I've read and they were great. I'm planning on reading the ones after it called Typhoon Expanse or something like that. Happy to have had my memory refreshed listening to this.
Why show Picard and Next Generation footage when talking of the Enterprise and Columbia's time with the Romulans?
Because he made the video, and your imput was not needed.
@@kylekeller9371 - That wasn't input. It was an inquiry. What you provided was input, and your input had no relevance to the inquiry, so ironically is what is unneeded.
Nice try your word play almost comes across as intelligent. Do you understand what input means, there by your definition your inquiry and my statement would both be input. Ironic isn't it, my statement has just as much relevance as your trolling inquiry, try again.
@@kylekeller9371 - I'd mention something about "try", but that's another franchise.
Peace is always better than anger.
So I'll remind you of IDIC instead.
Peace is so much better! It's fun to banter a little do you not agree? Cheers mate!
Great video. Loved reading the Density series. I wish someone would animate it or something.
If I remember right, there was an episode where Borg were found on earth centuries before, as they crashed in the Antarctica ice, then found by 2155 eara scientists, so your train of thought of the Federation creating their own enemy is off a bit. As the Borg queen explained in the movie First contact.
The Borg were created centuries prior, we didn't explain in this video as its a whole other topic, but the caeliar and humans went through a vortex which sent them back in time to the delta quadrant. Those Borg found in the artic was from the Borg Sphere that the Enterprise-E blew up in orbit of Earth in First Contact - Dom
So what happened to Captain Hernandez during the mutiny?
Just curious the blue flash when it goes to warp is that flash the same as the demon core?. And when did the federation start doing a saucer seperate design?.
What is the different ship (from 6:10 to 6:20) seen being attacked by the Romulans - as it's definitely not the NX-02 'Columbia' ?
Awesome channel have subbed and pressed the bell hello from Scotland :D
Awesome thank you!
- Jack
@@TrekCentral yer welcome keep doin what yer doin :)
They wanted to name it Columbia House Record Club, but ran out of space for the letters😂❤
How many borg origin stories are there? The only one I heard of before now was that Voyager 6 landed on a planet that did some stuff with it and then released it back into space, eventually leading it to the events of the motion picture, and the species on that planet eventually became the borg.
The Mirror-Vulcans:
"Suffer EXTREMELY Long, and fail miserably. At EVERYTHING!!!" while doing the Roman greeting gesture.
You got to love the Mirrorverse, nae?
Preferably with Mutley's HHHH - HHHH - HHHH!
I've always loved the nx series ships always thought they were much cooler then the new stuff.
3.37 ,I notice that Columbia's bridge is the same as the bridge of the NX-01 Enterprise except for the 8 total energy pole in the background & the tablet / computer panel pole between the Captain chair & the weapon system chair ,,
Yep, it was a set redress. It was cheaper to redress the set than to build a new one for a handful of episodes.
As its the same ship, it's expected that the bridge is identical. I would have found it better to not try to change it.
Making the bridge an even more lethal space by letting the plasma conducts running through it
@@mammutMK2 where else were they going to put the explodium?
You put in a clip from "Babylon 5" 😊
You made me think I had a dead pixel with that single yellow pixel at the top right. 😂 😂 😂
At 6:10, that is the USS Frankilin from the Adramverse. And it was the Romulans from Picard series that created the Borg, but because of that battle, maybe they were both to blame.
I’d love to see a video on how the NX02 Columbia took part in creating the Borg.
What's the clip of NX-05 from??
Came for the trek, stayed for the disclaimer.
I loved the look of the NX class. Simple, purposeful and loved how it felt like a submarine as compared to the newer star ships.
I wish Enterprise had 7 season like the 3 previous ST shows. I would have loved seeing the refit in action.
who designed these glowing lighttubes on the back of the bridge, one hour with these things and all the bridge crew would get an headache XD
🤔I wonder what happened to the mirror NX02 Columbia ?
On the 02 bridge that screen serves no purpose facing away from everyone, those flashing light tubes seem like they would be a huge pain in the ass. I love that photo in the thumbnail but it does make the ship feel amazingly small
I read the book that ends with the creation of the BORG a long time ago, I would love to reread it but I can't remember the books name, if anyone has the name could you please forward it? Thank you!
What is with the tubes at the back of the bridge at 0:53 that start lighting up? It couldn't have anything to do with the engines, in any meaningful way as engineering is reasonably far away from the bridge.
6:05 Just had to sneak in a scene of Starfury pilots dawning their space suits, didn't you?
There's some artwork of Columia crashed on a planet, with the Feds having small craft and people checking it out. I believe the artwork is associated with something other than one of those novels mentioned?
It was featured as a random entry in the Ships of the Line book (the first one, IIRC), which inspired David Mack to include it in Destiny Book I. 🖖😎👍
What episode and season did they find it in
Is that the Kzinti from Larry Niven's Known Space series?
Nice job. I'm a huge Star Trek fan and was curious about the NX-02 Columbia. I would have liked to see Columbia's delightfully girl-ish captain serve as an officer under Archer to battle aliens and T'Pol for Archer's attention. She reminds me of Julie McCoy, Cruise Director of the Love Boat.
9:04 that looks an awful lot like a chig fighter from "space: above and beyond"
Doesn't it?
Even with warp capable ships, these early Starfleet ships still would've been handicapped by the most notorious and insidious of exploration issues there is, "logistics". Food, water as well as medical supplies and other common needs would have held back the mission. This is before the advent of replicator technology so like the ocean going ships of old starships would still need resupply. Still this period of star trek was those "heady days" of exploration and people just wanted go see what was out there beyond our telescopes.
Well with the James webb space Teleskope, they have to travell into Galaxien humane never saw before. Into Galaxien far, far away....
why would the caviar be building an interstellar coms array if they wanted to remain unknown????
Maybe they needed some really nice saltine crackers quickly. Fish eggs are very perishable. 😁
The Columbia had it pretty bad. From the telepresence unit taking the ship to the engine damage to the mutiny ect. When aventine found her she was in impossible shape.
so, where can i read the story about the ship, how they created the borg etc? is that in the trilogy mentioned?
Yeah, it's all in the Destiny trilogy books
NX 1 C and N X 2 was outstanding and. EXCELLENT.
I always thought the pulsing conduits on the bridge was rather cheesy.
Star ship captains in TOS or kirk’s time we’re not allowed to command then so I wonder why canon was changed during this series in Enterprise?
Huh?
- Jack
I have a question that might put a few holes in the "Rise of the Borg.
If the Borg were in fact created by Starfleet, then why did the Borg try to communicate with their 21st century counterparts during "First Contact"?
If the Borg were not created until the late 21st century, then who were the Borg trying to contact during First Contact?
The Borg were created centuries prior, we didn't explain in this video as its a whole other topic, but the caeliar and humans went through a vortex which sent them back in time to the delta quadrant - Dom
Which episode of DS9 was this in?
Brilliant description and info
Glad it was helpful! Thanks Jamie!
- Jack
All sound good. But how much is Riker on holodeck?
What episode was this?
Whoa! At 6:04 is that Babylon 5? I never realized that the Vorlons, Shadows, Minbari, Centauri, Narn, or League of Non-Aligned Worlds were in Star Trek!
I am a big fan of Larry Niven’s “Known Universe” series of short stories. In the Star Trek cartoon series the Kzinti were introduced by adapting the Niven short story “A Gift of Empire” into the series. The Kzin have a unique anatomy. They have a geodesic bone structure. In WWII there was a bomber that had such a structure, Vickers Wellington. Look at that plane’s structure to get an idea of what it may look like. Niven also had a drawing in one of his shirt story anthologies.
The Destiny trilogy was one of my favorite reads, damn the Star Trek canon!!!
Did you do any videos about the mirror universe episodes
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and form on this format and the subject matter provided on the NX-02 Columbia and all of Her duties and missions that she preformed till the time of her disappearance and then being found crashed landed in the Gama quadrant in 2373 by the U.S.S. Defiant!,👌.
We need a Star Trek Destiny audiobook. Its one of the best Trek stories ever told.
I dont get the borg link, in the shows they hont at the borg being much older
Wow that was fast the Ensign at the helm of Columbia just got promoted to Lieutenant before they even left space dock. Forever Ensign Harry Kim would certainly be jealous.
Commander Tucker, you mean the Wraith Operative?
The NX series is my favorite Trek ship design. Well, Federation design, anyway. Errr... Earth design.
I watched most of this show when it first aired but haven't seen it in years. Been tempted to buy the series but I still haven't watched "Andromeda" in the boxed set which was also done by Roddenberry.
I’ve always thought it sucked that they ended Enterprise the way that they did and didn’t even expand on it
they did the series dirty imo. last episode was more like an episode of TNG than Enterprise, which might have been ok if it wasnt the series finale.
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!!!! I wanna know more of the Borg lore you speak of? I had my hunch one the alien ship with Veger (lol) from the motion picture
I MUST KNOW MORE!!!!!!
Those 3 books were so good!!! Been a long time since reading them
I personally don't count Enterprise as cannon, as it outright contradicts facts giving in the The Original Series and TNG; such as the Romulans didn't have warp tech till they stole it from the federation. But in Enterprise they have warp 5 ships, and were trying to make a warp 7 ship.
Aside from canon-issues....
The Federation strives for a harmonious Universe in which all species exist and cooperate side-by-side to solve problems together and to work towards a better future united in purpose.
The Borg strive for a harmonious Universe in which all species exist and cooperate side-by-side to reach absolute perfection.
The Federation and the Borg have only ONE significant difference. And this difference is found in the autonomous individuality each organisation allows their members to have.
The Federation strives for the perfect future in harmony by allowing every individual member to be their best self for themselves so that the community may benefit from the individuals best self. To create perfect living conditions so that the individuals can focus their time and energy on being the best they they can be and through that work towards and even better future.
The Borg on the other hand unify their individual members into a hive mind, removing individual goals and ambitions in favor of being able to focus all ressources into the final goal of the perfected harmonious collective.
The Borg are the natural enemy of the Federation, not because they are so different, but actually because they are too similar with the one dividing point being a the only necessary direct opposite to make an extensive alliance impossible. But one thing remains, the Borg are not the opposite of the Federation. They are a different approach to the same question.
It is actually no surprise that something like the Borg could be the result of Federation research and development.