The Cavs 3-1 comeback is one of the greatest finals ever, however the Spurs revenge tour on the Heat is one of the most embarrassing. Truly the duality of man.
I mean the Spurs were a great team that totally could have won in 2013 and came back playing super well and winning in 2014. Not really embarrassing but the Heat were a superteam so idk.
That finals was historic. But it wasn’t necessarily good. Every game was a double digit blowout. Until we got to game 7. Now 2013 was one of the greatest.
Bro after winning the west in 2014 Tim Duncan said he hopes Miami win because they’re ready for them. That’s when I knew Miami was gonna get it. Timmy was serious about that
when I am an elderly coot rotting in a nursing home with a grapefruit-sized bedsore from neglect, I will be whining about Kelly Olynyk while the orderly rolls their eyes
It’s crazy yall all type the same reused and recycled jokes but when people Stan for mj and say he’s the goat it’s cool. Nobody makes any jokes about that, but when people say bron is the goat it’s a issue
Its pride month, so its nice to see you come put the closet as a jorbum worshipper, i mean its painfully clear as day with how hard you choking on his meat and swallowingbhis kids lmaooooo😂 Mane ahh mad ah hell at the truth 😂 ol goofy ahh
It’s also important to note that the other teams scored more points than he did. When a team scores more points than the other team, they win the game. Just clarifying! 🙂💯
@@dirtycash36NFL the only sport where its commonly accepted one single position is by far the most important, approaching 40-50% of the reason of a teams success or failings. NBA all 5 players on the court can contribute at all times. NFL BIG GAP NBA MLB NHL
@@CC-INV You're actually a moron if you think it's easier for players to achieve individual success in the NFL than the NBA. Trent Dilfer has a ring and Dan Marino doesn't.
@@dirtycash36 And sometimes that huge 4th quarter scoring leads to a loss anyway. Jordan lost the majority of his 60 point games. Wilt lost all but one of his 70 point games. A very common headline in Jordan's early career was 'Bulls lose despite Jordan's 37 points.' In that infamous game six where Ray Allen's 3 put it into OT (and an eventual Heat win, staving off a Finals loss), LeBron led the comeback with 16 points on over .600 shooting in the 4th. And he STILL would have had a loss except for Ray's made 3.
The Cavs in 2017 needed an all time great offensive performance: 137 points (86 in the 1st half) and 24 three pointers on 53/53/68 shooting splits, 67% eFG%, and 68% TS% to beat the Warriors
That is literally like we have to do no wrong type of play idc what people think . This is why the warriors were so dominant in that series unless you get 100% from your whole team you ain't winning it against them
You’re forgetting the fact that the falsely promoted “elite defender” allowed his man to drop historic numbers in the Finals and playoff series in general. No other teams in KDs career besides maybe the Bucks allowed him to drop those numbers.
@@Kingdomhearts1495 as opposed to what Jordan glazers? Who are 20k deep into his shoes and need EVERYONE to have Jordan as the goat lol. No fanbase gets more offended when you say you have anyone but Jordan as the goat. Say you got Bill with 11 rings, a bum. Wilt with 50/25, a bum. Kareem with 6 rings and 6 mvps, bum. Bron with 4 rings 4 mvps and 4fmvp, bum. Mikan with 5 rings in 7 years, a bum. Ive never seen a more toxic fanbase.
@@andrewcook1246They’re all toxic all Stan bases are as bad as each other. You’re only gonna think the other is worse because you root for ur guy. They all do the same thing, it’s exhausting.
@@alphadjalo1227 Nah, its been this way since before Bron even entered the league. Ask Mikan, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, Magic and Bird fans. They'll tell you. Everything that Bron gets accused of doing Jordan been doing to the media for close to 35 years. And again, only one's entire legacy and brand is built/consists of HAVING to be called the undisputed goat and thats Jordan. Bron fans don't care if you got MJ over Bron. Its the whole "undisputed" part that annoys everyone xD.
How ironic this is dropped on Father’s Day oh LeBron my dear sweet LeBron where do I even my sugar plum my pookie bear how you are just an amazing father to many players of the NBA will nvr cease to amaze me
@@calebbrown866lmao I can understand the Kobe argument even though it’s flawed I can see why fans would put him over lebron but KD now I know you a hater and you don’t watch basketball😂
This was really a good video because it emphasized on the "what ifs" that affected his career and also criticized some of his playoff and finals performances that didn't help him win a ring. It shows that although there are bad lucks that seriously ruined his chances, we should never forget that he is not perfect as the others and was also a contributing factor to his losses.
You know it's insane the number of parallels between LeBron James and Wilt Chamberlain. Both were absolutely genetically, physically gifted hyperathletic freaks of nature and became two of the most sought-after hyped-up NBA prospects in NBA history. Both were drafted to the team in the city that they grew up in. Both were in the same crappy boat of being too good too quick which made it impossible for their team to build through the draft. Both wound up getting almost no praise for winning because people expected them to but got crap for losing. Both had to face against super loaded teams in the playoffs (i.e. the 2008-10 Celtics then the 2017-18 Warriors with LeBron and Russell's Celtics with Wilt), both got unfairly called losers by the media and sports fans alike who never managed to look at the whole picture just the win-loss record and never thought that it always came down to team vs individual. Both left the teams they were drafted on out of frustration with the incompetence of their team's management and coaching (Wilt left the Warriors to join the 76ers and LeBron left the Cavs to join the Heat), both changed their playing style a bit becoming more of a team coordinator on the court to finally overcome the team they could never beat and win their first ring creating one of the best teams in NBA history (Wilt's Sixers going 46-4 in the regular season LeBron's Heat winning 27 games in a row), both left their second team after a disappointed loss, both ended their careers by joining the Lakers, both won one title with the Lakers. That decision Kevin Durant made in 2016 absolutely ruined NBA basketball for me. The 2017 NBA playoffs were the most boring postseason in NBA history, everybody knew who was going to win, they beat their opponents by an average of 16.5ppg, not losing a single game on their way to the finals.
Absolutely. Amazing comment. One thing I’d say is that Wilt’s playstyle outright conflicted with them winning, and him changing was very much for the better. Whereas with Bron, there was a change, but it was more of a gradual dynamic over time, accompanied notably by having much better teammates. With Wilt, he was really doing a huge amount when he didn’t need to, but with Bron, he more so dominated the scoring when it was just required of him. But there’s more context to even that, and it’s not a criticism at all
Blame LeBron for paving the way for KD to join the Warriors. All KD did was copy what LeBron did. I doubt he would have had the guts to leave OKC if not for “the Decision.”
@@fatesandgates So instead of getting some of his own help he should have stayed and maybe never won a chip? Also it is not Lebrons fault that the cap spiked so they had the money to sign kd
@@2tired653 KD didn’t go to GS for more money. You and I both know that. He went there for the same reason LeBron went to Miami. They didn’t wanna face any adversity. And I meant to blame LeBron for KD leaving because he was an inspiration for him to be a coward. That 2009 Magic squad was ripe for pickings. They only made one Finals. The 2008 Celtics was taken to game 7 by the Joe Johnson-led Hawks; and those Celtics barely beat the Cavs by 5 in another game 7. LeBron had a dominant winning record vs Kobe, had they met in the Finals, and those Cavs teams won 60+ games twice. What are you talking about bruh?
It was not the quantity of the shots that was insane it was the quality of the shots Jokic and Murray hit some insane circus shots and other Nuggets role players also shot surprisingly well given that most of those shots were contested.
Maybe Lebald should have helped recruit some talent in FA to Cleveland than instead of eventually scheming against his hometown team during the Olympics to leave
Tbh I don’t think Lebron wins even if the warriors don’t make that move. He’d still have to deal with either prime Kd and Russ, a healthy Kawhi and the spurs, or James Harden with Chris Paul, or the warriors yet again, and people are quick to forget curry and Bogut were injured that series.
@@someguy2385I hate the Cavs but they would of repeated had KD not joined the Warriors. Russ/KD we’re not beating them, Warriors would have been interesting but still think Cavs win, CP3 rockets didn’t happen until 2018.
The reason why Lebron doesn't have more rings is because he doesn't have the ability to transfer his will to win into his teammates like Tom Brady would. Also, Support the Troops!!!!!!
The trauma from the 2014 Spurs dismantling the Heat with a roster filled with international rejects is still so painful that it gets omitted entirely from this video I see. I do like that Boris Diaw is a major reason Miami got obliterated.
I’m not a Lebron fan boy.. but honestly getting 4 rings is actually pretty good.. considering most superstars in the NBA will never win a ring.. look at Charles barkley, Allen iverson, etc.. and if the goat debate comes down to rings what about bill Russel with 11 😢
Jordan fan boys will find a way to make a case against Bill Russell and act like Jordan didn’t lose at all, then proceed to say Jordan has more rings when it comes to Lebron. Doesn’t add up and the hypocrisy makes me think people just want to believe a specific narrative. You can have your opinion but I mean the discrediting of great players is nonsense.
Not jordan fan boys lebron fanboys, because if bill is the all time great where that put jordan magic kobe kareem and lebron, lebron will still not be the goat @@SoraTh33xplorer
Dude your defense of LeBron forming a super team not comparable to Durant is frivolous. 1. LeBron believed he was joining a super team that could not lose, that’s why he foolishly predicted that the Heat would win 8 titles!! That’s all we need to know. 2. Maybe if LeBron never went to Miami, KD would not have had the balls to join a 73 win team, having the criticism all to himself. 3. You failed to mention that 2 of LeBron 4 titles came in shortened seasons.
@@chaos5840 Tim Duncan didn’t team hop. He was FMVP his second season in the league and he’s the only player to win a ring in 3 different decades. Also, he has 5 rings so if we take away his shortened season and LeBron’s, Duncan would have two more than LeBron. Particularly, LeBron bubble chip is the most fraudulent ring in history. Basketball is not meant to be played with four months interruption in the same season. It’s not meant to be played without fans or the wear & tear of travel. You must remember how injury prone AD was at that time. And LeBron was recovering from a groin injury at 35. Who knows what would have happened. All I’m saying is for him to only have 4 rings, stuff like that gets magnified. Otherwise if he had 7 and no 2011 meltdown, then I’d shut up.
He did it twice! People seem to forget the Cavs were a super team too. Lebron fans have no right to cry about the Warriors when he continually stacks the deck in his favour.
Yeah because joining a 47 win team that has not made it past the first round since they won the title 4 years ago is the exact same as joining a 73 win team that had just made the last 2 finals in a row
The biggest black mark against Lebron’s legacy is his 2011 loss to the Mavericks. They were a better team in every way and got dog walked in a way that Jordan never did in the finals. Ends the discussion in my opinion.
I don’t think Jordan takes 2018 or 2007 cavs to the finals like Lebron did. Not necessarily saying Lebron is better but Jordan can’t carry a team on his own to the level that bron can. We give Jordan a pass for early playoff exits because his team was awful but don’t realize how bad some of the teams Lebron TOOK to the finals were. I think that evens out the disappointment that was 2011
@@Audisknfjwill never understand you Jordan stans, if u score 60 and lose today it’s stat padding but when Jordan scores 60 and gets swept “he’s not getting dogged”
@@lam8138 I think he would. You have no idea how weak the East was during Lebron’s 8 year finals stretch. What’s the only team that poses him any challenge? The 2013 pacers? Compare to the west that had the warriors, Thunder, spurs, rockets, and grizzlies, I would say the composition of eastern teams is very underwhelming. Also during that 8 year span, only one player other than Lebron (2011 Rose) was all nba first team, while the rest all went to players in the west Also let’s talk about 2007. Only 2 teams in the east were above 50 wins that season: the Cavs and the pistons. Compare that to the western conference that had 5, and you see a drastic difference in talents. That pistons team did not have Ben Wallace, so MJ’s rim scoring would not be hurt that much. Also despite how “terrible” Lebron’s supporting cast is, people seem to forget that Boobie Gibson of all people scored 31 off the bench in game 6 to clinch the series against the pistons. So if you were to ask me, yes MJ 100% would bring 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals, even though he might still have the same results in the finals. However this is not an indictment to MJ or Lebron’s talent level, but a testament to how bad the eastern conference was at that time Edit: yes the Celtics dragged the Cavs to 7 games in 2018, but that team did not have Hayward and Kyrie. The fact that rookie Jayson Tatum dragged the team to 7 games is more of a statement on the Celtics and Cavs team building rather than talent level, and a transcendent superstar like MJ would definitely be able to take the 2018 Cavs to the finald
When are LeBron fans going to admit he threw the 2011 finals so that D-wade wouldn't win Finals MVP and destroy his legacy? Same thing Kobe fans need to admit with 2004
lebron haters are so weird. he literally said lebron ruined his chances at more rings because of 2011. that was literally the first point he brought up. yall claim lebron fans run from it when that was literally the first thing that came out of his mouth 😂😂😂
@@chaos5840 I'm not talking about him actually addressing it. I'm talking about the reasoning behind it. Lebron fans always act like he just had a bad series, but really he threw it. He'd rather lose than win a ring as the second fiddle
@@achilles4017 it's not just the fact that it was his fault, it's that he would've rather lost that finals than win it with Shaq as finals MVP. Even the Pistons knew it, said it, and defended Kobe and Shaq accordingly. This is what Kobe fans refuse to admit
Make sure to take some breaths while you swallowing MJ kids, you gonna suffocate😂 goofy ahh nigha, you a hypocrite talking like yeen got mj meat lodged down your throat with ur jaws licked in position😂
LeBron is the both the most popular and most hated player in the NBA right now. The Decision. The way they announced his move to Miami was a stupid and irresponsible act by a young player. It was one of the worst strategic decisions ever by a marketing team - Michael’s team would never have let this happen. Probably 30% of the people who hate LeBron today have never forgiven him for this event, turning his back on Cleveland, and creating the entire “player controls his destiny” landscape the NBA has today.
MJ never would have ran to another player/team to show him how to win a title he stuck it out in Chicago Something that doesn’t get mentioned enough of the all time greets only Shaq and Lebron couldn’t win w the team that drafted them
@@danielbattle7620 You fail to consider that Jordan personally maniacally trained the best wing defender partner any superstar could ever ask for and that same coach also didn't have a hard time with Jordan because he's coachable and actually listens to him and buys in on their system(triangle offense).
@@imfinishedgrinding638are you serious? Lmfao at LEAST 3 of Jordan’s teams are considered top 10 of all time. Greatest defender in pippen, HOF rebounder Rodman. He didn’t have to carry the whole load, just score and play acceptable defense. He gambled in the passing lanes a ton, and while locked in he’s great, his responsibilities don’t align with doing everything.
He mentioned both of those. Imagine basing your ignorant opinions based on two late shots after the GOAT had done so much to put his team in position for those shots to matter in the first place. 😂
You're right, he benefitted from that, but in both games he was basically the sole reason the teams were in a situation to win in the first place. Check out his 4th quarter stats in the Allen and Kyrie shot games
So now Barry can make the same argument for Brady , if that miracle catch doesn't happen , and if Eli had stayed with the chargers Brady would have 9 rings.
2 miracle catches. Mario Manningham had one in SB 46 that led to the game winning score so no need for Eli to be a Charger, just take away 2 impossible catches by 2 guys who pretty much didn’t do anything else in their NFL careers. Adding insult to injury Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw nearly cost them the game by scoring a TD that gave the Patriots a chance to march down and win vs kneeling at the 1 to run out the clock and kick a chip shot FG to win by 1.
I'm still Jordan over LeBron, but these Jordan stans claiming LeBron isn't at least top 2 are ridiculous. No one else, not even Kareem, are in the same tier as Jordan and LeBron. Ultimately, the debate should come down to peak vs. longevity (for me, peak is king). Unfortunately, the debate is dictated by which player people like more (and LeBron has done a far better job pissing fans off than MJ ever did).
@akilfetahaj6346 LeBron has better clutch stats, despite Kobe's reputation, was the best player in all 4 of his rings (4 Finals MVPs and was robbed in 2015 too), has the better resume, dominance and is more of a team player (better efficiency) and is a top 10 passer in the league while also being 1st in career points. Kobe's peak is on par with LeBron, but LeBron sustained that level way longer than Kobe and was considered the best player in the league for way longer than Kobe was.
I liked the point that the 7 seasons wasted in the first Cleveland stint shouldnt be downplayed just because hes had 14 great years since - 7 years was literally the timespan in which MJ won all of his titles and same applies to most all-time greats
Yea and that's because of the team they had around them. When lebron left the cavs 37 year old shaq and mo williams was his best teammates. Now name the guy that won with a roster like that.
Lebron fans will never hold Lebron accountable it’s always someone else’s fault. Lebron in 2007 shot averaged 22 on 35% and averaged 6 turnovers and they somehow found a way to blame his team. 2009 allowed Rashad Lewis to go 5/5 and hit the game winning shot, and in another game he made 3 shots in 3 quarters. And even against the nuggets Lebron proved to not be clutch at all. Lebron fans would rather point at the team, point at the bench, the coach, the front office but never Lebron. It makes you wonder how much help does the supposed greatest player of all time need?
@@otothem8980 In 2 of those championships someone else hit gaming winning shots, and then in 2020 he had a top 10 player in the league that year and the two leading scorers of Miami were injured. And let’s not forget Bogut missed the last 2-3 games in 2016 and curry had a hurt ankle. Lebron isn’t that clutch in the last 2 minutes and overtime, he’s simply had other people to cover up his weaknesses
Barry is such a coper. Tom Brady wins it’s all “luck” and someone else carrying him (even though football is a large team sport with two sides of play), LeBron loses it’s bad luck and nobody is there to carry him (never pointing out LeBron’s ball dominant style of play).
Kind of. More like when trained nba players magically shoot substantially better from 3 against a certain team and then magically go back to shooting subpar against other teams
@@ivblizzard3616 It's not saying that no one gets hot on their own against the Lakers. But Ham's defenses left perimeter shooters with extra space, and the Lakers often got torched.
Micheal Jeffery Jordan: 10 scoring titles 9 all defensive awards Defensive player of the year 200+ steals 100+ blocks twice (only player) Led league in steals 3 seasons 6-0 finals record 6 finals mvp (most ever) 5 mvp 626 games without losing 3 in a row Only player to win DPOY & the Scoring Title in same season Only player to get Finals mvp, championship, scoring title, all defensive award, and mvp in a season. He did it 4 times. Still leader in PER and win shares with VORP per game Leads in all time buzzer beater clutch shots in history Leads in PPG regular and post season Only player to lead more top 10 lowest scoring supporting cast to titles Played against 50+win opponents in post season 73% of the time. All the while having only 1 all star. Honorable mention: For the entire sport, Jordan is 11-0 champion of the sport. 1 NCAA, 2 FIBA, 2 gold medalist, 6 NBA champion. He never lost when it mattered. Lebron James: 1 scoring title 1 assist title Most points scored ever 5 all defensive awards 0 defensive player of the year 4-6 finals record (losing record) 4 finals mvp 4 mvp leads in turnovers 2nd leader in most missed layups 2nd leader in most missed shots Played against 50+ win opponents in post season 53% of the time All the while having all star supporting cast: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and Anthony Davis. Then having Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Rhondo. Who is the GOAT?
“Kevin Durant ruined the league by making an unbeatable team” yes, an unbeatable team that lost 64 regular season games and failed to threepeat while he was there. What a machine. A team that not only never lived up to 73-9 but never again came close.
They didn’t win 73 games that season partially because they literally didn’t need to whereas in 2016 the warriors had to compete with the 67 win spurs for the one seed. KD only played about 60 games in the regular season and they still cruised to 67 wins before dog walking everyone in the playoffs. Healthy that team beats any other ever assembled in 7 games.
Technically the KD thing happened to Doctor J, but in 1983 they literally did the same thing everyone else and cheesed Malone on the team and smoked many all time great teams.
Lebron undercuts his own legacy by being a Coach killer. His next coach will be his 11th of his career. He's never found or embraced any of his coaches. He could have stayed in Miami and won more titles, but he didn't want to deal with the fact he couldn't get Spoelstra fired. Riley is in complete control in Miami and Spoelstra is his protege and Lebron couldn't handle that. To his detriment.
@@PabloVon I don't think he necessarily tried to get him fired, though he did some weird moves undercutting him that first year in Miami. I think he just wanted the power and clout to get Spoelstra fired, which Riley wasn't gonna give him. The Heat don't really play those games. Even now, they are about to ship Jimmy Butler's ass out of there after his continue irritating behavior.
LeBron would have 10 rings in the 90s 😂 6'9 250 he would dominate. He's like Karl Malone if he could score more than 5 feet from the basket and with 100x more skill and altheticism
I think what bronsexuals and casuals don't understand is that Shaq and Gasol actually ruined Kobe's resume. If the rules allowed Kobe to play teams 1 on 5, he would have won a championship every year he was in the NBA and probably have 20 MVPs. He's really the only player whose teammates held him back. His mamba mentality alone really was enough to beat pretty much any opponent.
Yes, Kevin Durant signing with the Warriors are the #1 reason why LeBron couldn’t win anymore rings with the Cavaliers. Had he not left OKC and joined Golden State, the Cavaliers would’ve had multiple championships (at least four or five) by now with LeBron and Kyrie staying on the team.
“At least four or five.” That’s assuming Kyrie stays on the team. That’s assuming that another team in the West doesn’t emerge & steals a ring. Hypotheticals don’t get you anywhere. We’ve seen Lebron be brilliant in the Finals. We’ve also seen him play really shitty in the Finals.
9/10 vid and you were mostly rational. One thing i woild also say is that injury AND shooting luck also benefited Bron in 2016. You should look at Steph in the 2015 finals vs 2016 finals. Curry was looking like he was moving on cement in 2016. Not to even mention that Draymond got suspended. So it goes both ways. But 2016 was such a huge spike in how great LeBron became ultimately viewed as an all time great that I feel that the injuries etc should have also been included. This is nothing to take away from Bron cuz essentially came back down 3-1 in the finals when it's never been done AND against the greatest regular season team of all time. Some things are just meant to be i guess :( At the end of the day 9/10 video + a like & comment lol. Good job Barry
Man stop. It doesn't go both ways. Draymond missed one game. Lebron dropped 41 and when draymond came back he dropped 41 again. Curry also dropped 38 game 4 of the nba finals. Save that excuse of curry not being healthy. And had 31 game 6.
@sportstalkonly1442 all I'm saying is that Curry became visibly limited in that 2016 finals and one of the clear reasons of that was that he had the footspeed of a center
Why do you never acknowledge the fact that LeBron tried to do what Steph did and recruit KD too? If Steph is such a bitch for begging KD to join the Warriors and succeeding, why doesn't LeBron get ANY heat for trying and failing to do the exact same thing? The KD LeBron Kyrie Cavs would arguably have been just as broken, if not more so considering how much more skilled all around LeBron is vs Steph.
Er... that's not how free agency, the general management office, or basketball works at all. That wasna front office decision, and players really have little to no effect on who goes where. The money does, and Steph doesn't pay anyone. If anything, KD had everything to do with him being on the Warriors and willingly took a smaller check to go to a winning team. Even then, the thing is, KD only has two rings with the Warriors. They won before and after him, so that turned out not to be the biggest factor in their rings. The Warriors nucleus was just that good. And getting KD didn't necessarily mean that the Cavs would function as a unit any better. Remember that there was a super team, in multiple instances in recent years, that had three massive superstars on one team and they managed to do absolutely nothing. That's because egos are a bigger part of basketball because there are just fewer players to share teamwork with. Each individual matters more, and therefore, will demand more time to play. That's always been a huge problem. And even if KD did join them, honestly, this era of basketball just has an incredible amount of talent. It's a miracle that the Cavs and Warriors got to face off that often at all.
The difference is one of those things actually happened and the other didn't. Also the cavs were just a good team with lebron on it, the warriors were one of the best teams of all time BEFORE they got KD. Not the same imo.
@@notjazz. That is indeed one of the dumber arguments. It takes some mental gymnastics to say that losing in the second round our the Conference Finals is better than losing in the Finals.
@@antonioiniguez1615 he has a point but id argue the lucky shots that fell for him in the finals are a primary reason why he has those 2. Overall luck goes both ways feels like it cancels out to me. Plus you could make a luck being a reason they didn’t win more argument about literally every athlete/team in any sport
The injuries excuse could apply to almost any high profile player who suffered a couple injuries. You could argue healthy Larry would’ve won at least one more ring…… GIVING HIM MORE THAN LEBRON?!?!!!😢
Facts now I give Bron credit because at the end of the day the best abilities are availability and durability and love em or hate em you do have to give Bron props for his longevity and how long he has been able to maintain this level of play but yes we could be here all day if we talked about every injury and how this guy or that guy would have been this or that had he not gotten hurt
I don't get why Lebronsexuals have to constantly make excuses for Lebron. Just state he's the GOAT with your reasonings, and leave it at that. Instead, they are constantly making frantic excuses for all of his flaws, and crapping on past players (ignoring the fact Lebron will eventually become a dinosaur soon) in the process. It's embarassing.
To be honest, considering the eras LeBron has played in and who hes played against and who hes played with its suprising he managed to win 4 rings and even make 10 finals In the end of the day, one man can do so much, but damn Bron made it feel like it was already wrote in the script that he was making the finals, even if his team was complete ass going against a borderline 60 win team
The only reason he has 4 is bc he spent his career chasing them. If other superstars did the same they’d have more than LeBron. Honestly only getting 4 after all this time chasing them is pathetic.
Alot of copium on that last point lmao. Love your vids. But insinuating that Lebron’s move to the Heat was not the same because “the heat team wasnt as good as the warriors team” (paraphrasing) is ridiculous. He won 2 rings by teaming up with other superstars, and he lost 2 rings because of superstars teaming up. Ironically KD lost 1 to this and gained 2 as well. Everything is balanced. Just because he wasnt as good at teaming up doesnt mean he didnt do it. 2 times I might add.
It's pretty simple. He builds teams designed to run exclusively through him with zero thought of the whole team. He'll play well for 3 quarters, stuffing the stat sheet, then fall apart and choke in the 4th, refusing to step up late and go to the line. Then he throws his teammates under the bus, takes zero responsibility for the loss, gets coaches fired, and teammates traded. And after all that, he leaves in free agency, leaving the team completely decimated. He isn't a leader, he is a locker room cancer that can't perform when it matters most.
It's wild how much you can see a sharp difference between pre-KD Warriors LeBron and post-KDW. Before, he actually performed consistently well and was even clutch at times, but it's like KD joining Golden State and the train they ran on LeBron and the rest of the league broke something in his brain and made him obsessed with doing what KD did but to the nth degree. Now he's become basically a neurotic mess, as you described. Though even the attempts at the LeBron superteam projects isn't even a first for him. Despite the insane revisionism, that was what that Big 3 Miami Heat squad with James, Bosh, and Wade was supposed to be as well - a superteam, meant to run the league.
*Only your narrative is false.* *LeBron leads the ENTIRE NBA in the last 28 years in:* *Playoff Win Probability Added (PWPA) in the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter.* *Go-ahead shots made in the last 50 seconds of the 4th quarter in the playoffs (18/31)* *Last second game-tying/go-ahead shots made in the 4th quarter (7/12); including a NBA record FIVE buzzer beaters.*
LeBron's per game numbers now seem great, and they are, but if we adjusted his stats to let's say, 2012-13 MVP LeBron... 2012-13: 26.8 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 7.3 APG 2023-24 adjusted to 2012-13: 22.0 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.9 APG
You’re talking about a 39 year old with 60,000 minutes plus of basketball wear and tear on his body meanwhile MJ was busy rotting away diminishing an 18 year olds confidence being a terrible teammate putting up inefficient numbers and losing not making the playoffs
@@PHXNKVHXLIC Ok, MJ didn't have an eye for talent. He still would've made the playoffs in 2001-02 if he didn't mess up his knee. Same excuse LeBron fans make for him not making the playoffs in 2018-19 with his groin
@fluff975 By taking his points, assists, and rebounds from this year, dividing them by the 2023-24 league average of points, assists, and rebounds, and multiplying them by the 2012-13 league average of points, assists, and rebounds. Make sense?
@@chuckyjamesamartin1968Are you slow? You thought converting 40 year old lebrons stats would make your point? Adjust for his PRIME. If anything, your point just makes lebron that much more impressive. Year 21 and averaging easily above all star numbers. Oh, and his win shares are 4th in the league 😂
I'm sorry Barry but I love your channel but this just sounds like cope not even gonna lie like "shooting luck" wtf type of argument is that I know bias is gonna happen with some of your arguments but for real, but come on bro
Only 4 rings... Jesus if you people would stop pretending lebron is some kind of demi God that should win a ring every year this wouldn't be an issue. 4 rings is incredible and right in line with someone as skilled as lebron is.
He actually overachieved given the circumstances. He's been the betting favourite only 3 times in his 10 finals appearances, and he still has 4 rings despite blowing one to the mavs. In fact, he was a bigger underdog than the MAVs were in 2011 in 5 of those appearances! We're in lebrons darkest timeline, and he still has a SOLID goat case. Couple more things swing his way and it wouldn't even be a debate anymore.
There are numerous reasons why LeBron hasn't won more titles: 1.) He underperformed in the 2011 Finals, like no other NBA legend has before or after him. He got guarded by Jason Terry and JJ Barea and was having a hard time with them, even though they were much smaller and shorter than him. That ends the GOAT debate for him right there. 2.) He doesn't make his teammates better. If you look at any great player that LeBron has played with in his career, with the exception of Kyrie, and maybe AD (his numbers are about the same as they were in NO, however his 2pt proficiency increased). LeBron plays a system of basketball that is not consistently conducive to playoff success. Has he been to 10 finals... yes. Has he also only won 4 times out of those 10 attempts... absolutely. LeBron plays in the "LeBron James system," where he is usually on the ball a good portion of the time, and typically all of the wing players are just out on the three point line, where Bron will toss it to them when he drives, or nowadays will just dump it off to AD when he's in the post. The only time that LeBron ever played in a real system was when he was in Miami, where he wasn't allowed to be on the ball as much, and was required to play off the ball/learn how to play in a team system. And Bron hated it and wanted to Spoelstra fired, but Pat Reilly wasn't going for that. He also was most successful during his time in Miami. 3.) Coaching. Now, I've heard numerous LeBron stans say that LeBron didn't have good coaches, other than Erik Spoelstra, which is partly true. However, these individuals leave out some important context. LeBron didn't have great coaches because of LeBron. In a frachise where he has a lot of control (ie: Cleveland, and to an extent LA), he has always been given the green light to choose his coaches (and his teammates). In some ways this can be nice, however; with LeBron, he chooses these non-decorated coaches because he knows that he can step all over them, and dictate how to team is going to play. That's why LeBron also can't keep a coach. Because he runs all of them off because they get tired to his bullshit.
@@danielbattle7620 this has nothing to do with Kobe?? Lmao Lebron had the biggest choke job in the finals. That whole year everyone kept saying the trophy already had the heat’s name engraved on it. No legend has ever choke that hard in a series
@@danielbattle7620Gasol avg 11PPG as his No2 he didn’t have the best player in the world at the time in 2011 playoffs in Dwade and CBsoh was better then Gasol
@@97NikeSbWhy do troglodytes like you compare the worst of a player to his 20 year stellar career? You know Mike never made the finals before Scottie, you know Mike only made 6 finals in his career, etc.
He still lose points for forming a super team to begin with. So we’re not comparing his 4 rings to Jordan’s 6. How it all happened matters most. LeBron didn’t just leave Cleveland, but he left Miami too. He’s a coward. He paved the way for cowards like KD to follow in his footsteps with weak moves.
Barry: Not gonna mention Bron recruited KD just as hard after 2016..... KD just didn't want to play with Bron? If he went there you would be slurping bron even harder 😂
No he didn't. That's a bold faced lie. The gm did. Lebron is not the gm and the article you're referring to even stated lebron had nothing to do with the attempt to recruit kd.
5. Disappears in big moments 4. Tries to GM gets players that are big names rather than players that also fit 3. Doesn't allow himself to be coached 2. Stacks his teams and kills his depth 1. He's not Jordan and is mentally weak
@@Juan_riveraThe only thing thats laughable os the fact that you actually went through woth this comment and still believe you dont look like a fukking idiot clown😂 alright, sonce its attention ypu want, ill give you some attention and set you and your 2 brain cells right😂
@@Excard0nTrae young James harden Joel Embiid Marcus Smart Jayson Tatum Steph Curry Its no problem when they do it tho? 30 ppg at 39😂 dude would cook MJ
KD. if KD didnt go to the warriors LeBron would have more rings. you can even argue if Love and Kyrie stayed healthy in 2015 they would have won that championship also. KD really fcked over LeBron with that one move.
Jorbum has 0.2 rings at best then. Carried by pippen, saved by paxon and then kere, carried by rodman grabbing all his bricks every game😂 Same logic😂 imagine if Lebron played in the 90's plumber era😂 wpuldve been a done deal, 10 rings in 10 years. Unlike jorbum who retired after 3 cus he knew he was cooked😂😂😂
I wouldn't see any hate from jordan winning in a disney bubble finals if it happened back in the 90's ...Heck! that would be something iconic,Nostalgic even and a instant classic for jordan cucks.....
Why Lebum has 4 rings…. Number 1-played in a ridiculously easy eastern conference for 3-4 championships Number 2- Disney land championship that doesn’t count Number 3- had a team full of all stars with the heat, still should have lost to the spurs but ray Allen saved the day.
Why Jordan has 6 rings…. #1. Played ridiculously easy Western Conference Champions every finals for 5-6 championships #2. 90s rings against less competition and more dilution within league overall counts for less #3. One of the best coaches of all time and a front office that only paid Jordan allowing for tons of amazing role players
Jorfrauds competition. 5'4 Muggusy bowes who onced locked him up. 1991 finals a diseased filled And washed Magic Johnson 1992 a fat and outta shape Charles Barkley 1998 : pushes off but the refs don't call it cause it's rigged.
@@JarrekAsF#1 Jordan and the bulls ALWAYS played either the #1 seed in the west or the team with the best record in the league every finals he went 2 while LeBron has gotten to play a 3 seed or lower in the finals multiple times #2 the less competition argument is used by new age basketball fans who weren't even around in the 90's and don't understand how different the game was and how differently the game was officiated the 90's is no more or less talented that today's game #3 that same coach and organization never won anything in Chicago without Jordan so it's a moot point they needed each other
Talk about cope. 1. Neither Pippen nor Grant (nor any of Jordan's other teammates) made an All-star team by the end of Jordan's first 7 seasons. The Bulls were *trash* without him in the mid 80s. 2. Talking about injury luck without considering the same for other teams is inconsistent. E.g. Pippen's migraine in G7 of the 1990 ECF or his back in 1998, or the 2016 Warriors' injuries in the playoffs. 3. It's common for scoring and efficiency to drop in the playoffs, especially in a long series. Shooting variance impacts everyone; with enough examples, it's no longer luck. 4. KD is responsible for at most 1 ring. No guarantee Lebron beats the warriors or whoever in 2017. No way they win in 2018...there were multiple other west teams who would beat them. Speaking of other west teams... the only reason anyone even asks a question like this is because it looks like LeBron was close to many more rings based on his 4-6 finals record. This is a mirage driven largely by the East being incredibly weak for most of Lebron's time there; he wasn't actually that close and would have likely been eliminated in the earlier rounds of the playoffs if the Cavs had played in the West. No one says shit like "Jordan would have won more rings if he hadn't had to play against the Celtics in 86" or whatever because obviously they weren't beating the other top teams of the time either.
That number 3 point is relevant to Jordan as well as in game 7 against the pistons in 1990. The bulls beside Jordan shot 15-63 this caused Jordan to lose, I think this is the worst combined shooting percentage in nba history. In the end every great has reasons for losing.
Great video Barry, as a OKC fan the KD move still frustrates me so much. Not only did we miss out on SOME variety in the finals the following years after but even if the warriors would’ve beaten OKC each year and did make the finals against Lebron, that snake bitch costed basketball fans what may have been the most legendary rivalry in all of the sports history. Instead, turning off the TV was the best option. I still think in 2018, had the Rockets pulled it off in the WCF, that would’ve been a fun Finals to watch. Maybe the most entertaining one yet at least on paper
I call bullshit that “unbeatable “ gsw team was taken to 7 games by the Houston rockets and if cp3 didn’t get injured they would’ve won so just because your king couldn’t bet them don’t make the unbeatable bro
@@guy4835 Brady's was not the worst choke job. Read what I wrote. Lebron committed the worst. Thats football. If someone comes along and wins 7 superbowls without choking in the super bowl, then we can put him above Brady. Also, if choking is your standard of GOAT, then you must have really low standards.
@@greninja4175 Wrong! Jordan did not choke against these teams. Against 1986 Celtics: 44 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists. Scoring 63 in one game. 40 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in his career against Celtics. Everyone knows the Bulls were awful. Against Pistons 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists - Jordan did not choke. Against Magics: 31 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists - Jordan did not choke. Jordan stayed with the Bulls and built the team. He rose above his hurdles, and even beat the Pistons best players while in their prime: Isaiah 29, Dumars 27. Of which they hate Jordan for. Stop changing the history.
@@greninja4175 And on a minor note: Jordan never choked in the Finals. In the entire basketball career he is 11-0 worldwide: 1-0 NCAA, 2-0 Gold Medals, 2-0 FIBA, 6-0 NBA.
I sincerely hope Barry gets a few dollars from LeBron for all the nuthugging he's been doing all these years. (Also, he's not even top 5 all time in the NBA)
People forget that in 2015 Kelly Olynyk broke Kevin Love’s arm in the 1st round of the playoffs. Then Kyrie broke his kneecap in game 1 of the finals. It was really both of those injuries that really messed up Cleveland’s chances that year.
Seeing Brady win a 7th ring in his first year in Tampa broke Barry’s brain. Meanwhile Lebozo hasn’t won a meaningful title since 2016. Sad to see one of the greatest trolls in history fall off so hard.
Lebron defense is so damn funny because current young players still think it’s Jordan. Guys who like lebron on TH-cam are banking on todays 10-15 year olds believing in lebron when curry is right there LMAO.
LeGOAT would own JorFraud in the 90's where people couldn't shoot with their left, couldn't more than 30% from 3 and had basic dribbles. LeBron is playing on the most skilled era of basketball ever. It's just that because of points inflation by the NBA giving so many freethrows and limiting the defense people think competition today is easy.
I would say on a skill level, both Lebron and MJ are equal. However MJ got a GM that could actually make a good team. If MJ hadn’t gotten the team he did, he would’ve had the same legacy as Lebron.
I love NBA ring culture and people that think that only shoot-first guards like Jordan and Kobe are the kinds of players that matter. Jordan/Kobe fans: Jordan and Kobe are better because Jordan has two more rings than LeBron and Kobe has one more ring doesn't matter the competition or era Me: *mentions Russell's 11* Jordan/Kobe fans: Well back then there were only 9 teams and just plumbers Jordan/Kobe fans: Nobody had more help in the modern era in winning their titles with teammates than LeBron *mentions only ppg stats of LeBron's teammates not taking account things such as pace or assists and only mention Shaq's 2001-02 stats from the Lakers/Spurs series where Robinson and Duncan were in the paint forcing them to shoot more outside* Me: *mentions the defensive win shares of Scottie Pippen (who AVERAGED more DWS per season from 1990-97 than any individual teammate LeBron ever played with in one of his individual 21 seasons), Horrace Grant, Dennis Rodman, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom followed by the ENTIRE stats of 2000-02 Shaq* Jordan/Kobe fans: You're just cherry picking
How dare you bring up logical facts! The thing I always bring up is when Lebron left the cavs both times and left the heat they became trash. When Jordan left the bulls in 94 the bulls were one of the best teams and almost made the finals and pippen almost won mvp so I wonder who had more help
@@mattsell2361 exactly had he stayed with the team that drafted him he would’ve become Karl Malone v2.0 who has the third most career points in NBA history played 19 seasons with an only 0/2 Finals record to show for it. Let’s face it any player in LeBron’s shoes would’ve gotten fed up and left the Cavs in 2010. Look at the 2009 team that went 66-16 only to lose the ECF despite LeBron averaging 38.5ppg on 50% FG, seriously watch that series and tell me he didn’t put his absolute heart and soul into that series.
@@williamtoad8040 yeah exactly that’s why basketball is a team sport but people don’t understand that for some reason. And I tell people this all the time mj had one of the luckiest careers ever and Lebron had one of the unluckiest careers ever. If that makes mj your goat just of resume that’s fine but if we are talking just a basketball player I’m taking Lebron pretty easily over anyone else
@@mattsell2361 exactly, the Bulls realized what they had with Jordan and knew how to fill in the roles and gaps around him that needed to be plugged. Also to quote Kobe Bryant “if you want defense watch Scottie Pippen”. Yes LeBron sucked in the 2011 Finals but was he any worse than Bird in 1981 who had was facing a 40-42 team IN THE FINALS, and Kobe in 2000 who got absolutely carried by Shaq’s 38ppg on 61% FG. Also, two players born in the same year had the luckiest and unluckiest careers because they were both born in the same calendar year: Bill Russell and Elgin Baylor.
I mean, let’s be honest: if Kevin Durant doesn’t join the Warriors the 2018 Cavaliers are still getting spanked by the Houston Rockets in the NBA finals
you can have your little opinions but jordan is the objective goat. nothing you can post, no video you will make, will ever change that. you realize if the players in jordan’s era sucked, it means his teammates sucked too. or did he just happen to be on the only team with other good players?
yeah Jordans teammates sucked, when his team is considered to be the best team in NBA history and they won 55 games without him. lmao, I'm used to delusional takes from MJ fans but this is on another level
For the sake of accuracy, Bird and the Celtics won the title in 1981. McHale and Parrish were bench players, averaging 20 and 28 minutes per game. Obviously, they were still important factors on the Celtics winning, but it wasn't like they were by 1983. I mean, Chris Ford saw more minutes than McHale or Chief!
THE TOXICITY IN THESE COMMENTS IS GREAT. LEBRON IS THE GOAT. MJ IS 2ND. MJ WAS THE GOAT BEFORE LEBRON. THEY ARE IN A TIER BY THEMSELVES.
they keep commenting and boosting this video into the algorithm for more haters to watch. its genius
No he is not grow up
@@noahkramer942 yall keep getting more mad and mad
Don't listen to these lebron haters they think kobe is better than lebron😂😂😂😂
@@TFFProd lmao dude I’m a fan of his, but he’s obviously wrong
The Cavs 3-1 comeback is one of the greatest finals ever, however the Spurs revenge tour on the Heat is one of the most embarrassing. Truly the duality of man.
Embarrassing? What’s embarrassing about great play
there was nothing embarrassing about that what are you talking about the spurs were the favorites that year.
I mean the Spurs were a great team that totally could have won in 2013 and came back playing super well and winning in 2014. Not really embarrassing but the Heat were a superteam so idk.
That finals was historic. But it wasn’t necessarily good. Every game was a double digit blowout. Until we got to game 7. Now 2013 was one of the greatest.
Bro after winning the west in 2014 Tim Duncan said he hopes Miami win because they’re ready for them. That’s when I knew Miami was gonna get it. Timmy was serious about that
when I am an elderly coot rotting in a nursing home with a grapefruit-sized bedsore from neglect, I will be whining about Kelly Olynyk while the orderly rolls their eyes
Barry doing what ESPN won't do: bringing back the top 5 reasons you can't blame series; that was an amazing show.
Man the top 5 show was good and yes they do need to bring that back
I loved that series back in the day.
I forgot about that show!
Old ESPN Classic stuff was fucking great stuff.
@@azure_azure those old episodes are still on youtube
It is Pride Month, so it's nice to see Barry "come out" as bronsexual.
You're just learning this?
casual
It’s crazy yall all type the same reused and recycled jokes but when people Stan for mj and say he’s the goat it’s cool. Nobody makes any jokes about that, but when people say bron is the goat it’s a issue
Its pride month, so its nice to see you come put the closet as a jorbum worshipper, i mean its painfully clear as day with how hard you choking on his meat and swallowingbhis kids lmaooooo😂 Mane ahh mad ah hell at the truth 😂 ol goofy ahh
Something a Bron transsexuals would say
The reason he doesn’t have more rings is because he didn’t score more than the other team in finals games enough. I hope this helps. 👍
Real
Okay but what the hell is a basketball?
@@TOMMYDACOMMIE Or is it who the hell is basketball?
This is a magic johson level bot comment
It’s also important to note that the other teams scored more points than he did. When a team scores more points than the other team, they win the game. Just clarifying! 🙂💯
*Ranking how toxic rings culture is amongst the “Big Four” sports*
1. NBA
(Huge gap)
2. NFL
(Huge gap)
3. MLB
4. NHL
@@dirtycash36Bruh really?
Both are valid
@@dirtycash36NFL the only sport where its commonly accepted one single position is by far the most important, approaching 40-50% of the reason of a teams success or failings. NBA all 5 players on the court can contribute at all times.
NFL
BIG GAP
NBA
MLB
NHL
@@CC-INV You're actually a moron if you think it's easier for players to achieve individual success in the NFL than the NBA. Trent Dilfer has a ring and Dan Marino doesn't.
@@dirtycash36 And sometimes that huge 4th quarter scoring leads to a loss anyway.
Jordan lost the majority of his 60 point games. Wilt lost all but one of his 70 point games. A very common headline in Jordan's early career was 'Bulls lose despite Jordan's 37 points.'
In that infamous game six where Ray Allen's 3 put it into OT (and an eventual Heat win, staving off a Finals loss), LeBron led the comeback with 16 points on over .600 shooting in the 4th. And he STILL would have had a loss except for Ray's made 3.
The Cavs in 2017 needed an all time great offensive performance: 137 points (86 in the 1st half) and 24 three pointers on 53/53/68 shooting splits, 67% eFG%, and 68% TS% to beat the Warriors
Goddamn, that’s insane
That is literally like we have to do no wrong type of play idc what people think . This is why the warriors were so dominant in that series unless you get 100% from your whole team you ain't winning it against them
The Cavs playing some defense on KD could’ve helped them win more games as well
For just 1 game too 😭
You’re forgetting the fact that the falsely promoted “elite defender” allowed his man to drop historic numbers in the Finals and playoff series in general. No other teams in KDs career besides maybe the Bucks allowed him to drop those numbers.
Barry is trying so hard to surpass Shannon Sharpe😂
he's an idiot.
The glazing is wild
@@Kingdomhearts1495 as opposed to what Jordan glazers? Who are 20k deep into his shoes and need EVERYONE to have Jordan as the goat lol. No fanbase gets more offended when you say you have anyone but Jordan as the goat.
Say you got Bill with 11 rings, a bum. Wilt with 50/25, a bum. Kareem with 6 rings and 6 mvps, bum. Bron with 4 rings 4 mvps and 4fmvp, bum. Mikan with 5 rings in 7 years, a bum.
Ive never seen a more toxic fanbase.
@@andrewcook1246They’re all toxic all Stan bases are as bad as each other. You’re only gonna think the other is worse because you root for ur guy. They all do the same thing, it’s exhausting.
@@alphadjalo1227 Nah, its been this way since before Bron even entered the league. Ask Mikan, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, Magic and Bird fans. They'll tell you. Everything that Bron gets accused of doing Jordan been doing to the media for close to 35 years.
And again, only one's entire legacy and brand is built/consists of HAVING to be called the undisputed goat and thats Jordan. Bron fans don't care if you got MJ over Bron. Its the whole "undisputed" part that annoys everyone xD.
How ironic this is dropped on Father’s Day oh LeBron my dear sweet LeBron where do I even my sugar plum my pookie bear how you are just an amazing father to many players of the NBA will nvr cease to amaze me
LeBron should be wishing his dad, Delonte West, a happy father's day!
@@lapthanngo5609yeah!!!!!!! Lebrons a bum!!!!! Mr 4-6. God I hate him!!!!! #Kobebetter #KevinDurantbetter #Le4-6 God!!!!!!!!
@@calebbrown866Lebron averages more than Kobe in every category off better efficiency…
@@calebbrown866lmao I can understand the Kobe argument even though it’s flawed I can see why fans would put him over lebron but KD now I know you a hater and you don’t watch basketball😂
@@calebbrown866bait… is still believable?
Barry rank all 12 months of the year
That's marijuana talk buddy.
Also, rank all 365 and 1/4 days of the year.
I agree that he should do this
April weather isn't to hot
Ranks the 365 1/4 days of the year.
This was really a good video because it emphasized on the "what ifs" that affected his career and also criticized some of his playoff and finals performances that didn't help him win a ring. It shows that although there are bad lucks that seriously ruined his chances, we should never forget that he is not perfect as the others and was also a contributing factor to his losses.
You know it's insane the number of parallels between LeBron James and Wilt Chamberlain. Both were absolutely genetically, physically gifted hyperathletic freaks of nature and became two of the most sought-after hyped-up NBA prospects in NBA history. Both were drafted to the team in the city that they grew up in. Both were in the same crappy boat of being too good too quick which made it impossible for their team to build through the draft. Both wound up getting almost no praise for winning because people expected them to but got crap for losing. Both had to face against super loaded teams in the playoffs (i.e. the 2008-10 Celtics then the 2017-18 Warriors with LeBron and Russell's Celtics with Wilt), both got unfairly called losers by the media and sports fans alike who never managed to look at the whole picture just the win-loss record and never thought that it always came down to team vs individual. Both left the teams they were drafted on out of frustration with the incompetence of their team's management and coaching (Wilt left the Warriors to join the 76ers and LeBron left the Cavs to join the Heat), both changed their playing style a bit becoming more of a team coordinator on the court to finally overcome the team they could never beat and win their first ring creating one of the best teams in NBA history (Wilt's Sixers going 46-4 in the regular season LeBron's Heat winning 27 games in a row), both left their second team after a disappointed loss, both ended their careers by joining the Lakers, both won one title with the Lakers.
That decision Kevin Durant made in 2016 absolutely ruined NBA basketball for me. The 2017 NBA playoffs were the most boring postseason in NBA history, everybody knew who was going to win, they beat their opponents by an average of 16.5ppg, not losing a single game on their way to the finals.
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Absolutely. Amazing comment.
One thing I’d say is that Wilt’s playstyle outright conflicted with them winning, and him changing was very much for the better. Whereas with Bron, there was a change, but it was more of a gradual dynamic over time, accompanied notably by having much better teammates. With Wilt, he was really doing a huge amount when he didn’t need to, but with Bron, he more so dominated the scoring when it was just required of him.
But there’s more context to even that, and it’s not a criticism at all
Blame LeBron for paving the way for KD to join the Warriors. All KD did was copy what LeBron did. I doubt he would have had the guts to leave OKC if not for “the Decision.”
@@fatesandgates So instead of getting some of his own help he should have stayed and maybe never won a chip? Also it is not Lebrons fault that the cap spiked so they had the money to sign kd
@@2tired653 KD didn’t go to GS for more money. You and I both know that. He went there for the same reason LeBron went to Miami. They didn’t wanna face any adversity.
And I meant to blame LeBron for KD leaving because he was an inspiration for him to be a coward. That 2009 Magic squad was ripe for pickings. They only made one Finals.
The 2008 Celtics was taken to game 7 by the Joe Johnson-led Hawks; and those Celtics barely beat the Cavs by 5 in another game 7.
LeBron had a dominant winning record vs Kobe, had they met in the Finals, and those Cavs teams won 60+ games twice. What are you talking about bruh?
12:22 “The Nuggets exploded from 3” +3% from regular season mark
It was not the quantity of the shots that was insane it was the quality of the shots
Jokic and Murray hit some insane circus shots and other Nuggets role players also shot surprisingly well given that most of those shots were contested.
Number 1: a 73-9 team added the 2nd best player in the league.
And kills the fake GOAT
Maybe Lebald should have helped recruit some talent in FA to Cleveland than instead of eventually scheming against his hometown team during the Olympics to leave
And lebron joined dwade and bosh lol don’t be mad cus KD did the same thing and beat your boy twice
Tbh I don’t think Lebron wins even if the warriors don’t make that move. He’d still have to deal with either prime Kd and Russ, a healthy Kawhi and the spurs, or James Harden with Chris Paul, or the warriors yet again, and people are quick to forget curry and Bogut were injured that series.
@@someguy2385I hate the Cavs but they would of repeated had KD not joined the Warriors. Russ/KD we’re not beating them, Warriors would have been interesting but still think Cavs win, CP3 rockets didn’t happen until 2018.
The reason why Lebron doesn't have more rings is because he doesn't have the ability to transfer his will to win into his teammates like Tom Brady would.
Also, Support the Troops!!!!!!
Quit comparing football to basketball has a whole defense and special teams that has nothing to do with him lmao
*or like Jordan
The trauma from the 2014 Spurs dismantling the Heat with a roster filled with international rejects is still so painful that it gets omitted entirely from this video I see. I do like that Boris Diaw is a major reason Miami got obliterated.
The 2014 spurs were no joke arguably one of the most complete teams in nba history and there chemistry was unmatched
I’m not a Lebron fan boy.. but honestly getting 4 rings is actually pretty good.. considering most superstars in the NBA will never win a ring.. look at Charles barkley, Allen iverson, etc.. and if the goat debate comes down to rings what about bill Russel with 11 😢
Jordan fan boys will find a way to make a case against Bill Russell and act like Jordan didn’t lose at all, then proceed to say Jordan has more rings when it comes to Lebron. Doesn’t add up and the hypocrisy makes me think people just want to believe a specific narrative. You can have your opinion but I mean the discrediting of great players is nonsense.
Not jordan fan boys lebron fanboys, because if bill is the all time great where that put jordan magic kobe kareem and lebron, lebron will still not be the goat @@SoraTh33xplorer
Dude your defense of LeBron forming a super team not comparable to Durant is frivolous.
1. LeBron believed he was joining a super team that could not lose, that’s why he foolishly predicted that the Heat would win 8 titles!! That’s all we need to know.
2. Maybe if LeBron never went to Miami, KD would not have had the balls to join a 73 win team, having the criticism all to himself.
3. You failed to mention that 2 of LeBron 4 titles came in shortened seasons.
that number 1 reason is weird, why would he want to make a team that will lose? is confidence now a sin because hes lebron james?
also if shortened seasons are getting taxed, does tim Duncan now have 4 rings?
@@chaos5840 Tim Duncan didn’t team hop. He was FMVP his second season in the league and he’s the only player to win a ring in 3 different decades. Also, he has 5 rings so if we take away his shortened season and LeBron’s, Duncan would have two more than LeBron.
Particularly, LeBron bubble chip is the most fraudulent ring in history. Basketball is not meant to be played with four months interruption in the same season. It’s not meant to be played without fans or the wear & tear of travel.
You must remember how injury prone AD was at that time. And LeBron was recovering from a groin injury at 35. Who knows what would have happened. All I’m saying is for him to only have 4 rings, stuff like that gets magnified. Otherwise if he had 7 and no 2011 meltdown, then I’d shut up.
He did it twice! People seem to forget the Cavs were a super team too. Lebron fans have no right to cry about the Warriors when he continually stacks the deck in his favour.
Yeah because joining a 47 win team that has not made it past the first round since they won the title 4 years ago is the exact same as joining a 73 win team that had just made the last 2 finals in a row
Video Idea: Specific teams that NBA or NFL legends struggled against, along with the best defensive players who have them the most trouble.
Of course Barry posts this on Father’s Day
The biggest black mark against Lebron’s legacy is his 2011 loss to the Mavericks. They were a better team in every way and got dog walked in a way that Jordan never did in the finals. Ends the discussion in my opinion.
Jordan never got dogged like that in the playoffs period. Even when he got swept by the Celtics early on Larry Bird said that Jordan was the GOAT
I don’t think Jordan takes 2018 or 2007 cavs to the finals like Lebron did. Not necessarily saying Lebron is better but Jordan can’t carry a team on his own to the level that bron can. We give Jordan a pass for early playoff exits because his team was awful but don’t realize how bad some of the teams Lebron TOOK to the finals were. I think that evens out the disappointment that was 2011
MJ has been waxed in the playoffs after having some bad games. Just because it wasn’t the finals doesn’t mean it should just be erased
@@Audisknfjwill never understand you Jordan stans, if u score 60 and lose today it’s stat padding but when Jordan scores 60 and gets swept “he’s not getting dogged”
@@lam8138 I think he would. You have no idea how weak the East was during Lebron’s 8 year finals stretch. What’s the only team that poses him any challenge? The 2013 pacers?
Compare to the west that had the warriors, Thunder, spurs, rockets, and grizzlies, I would say the composition of eastern teams is very underwhelming. Also during that 8 year span, only one player other than Lebron (2011 Rose) was all nba first team, while the rest all went to players in the west
Also let’s talk about 2007. Only 2 teams in the east were above 50 wins that season: the Cavs and the pistons. Compare that to the western conference that had 5, and you see a drastic difference in talents. That pistons team did not have Ben Wallace, so MJ’s rim scoring would not be hurt that much. Also despite how “terrible” Lebron’s supporting cast is, people seem to forget that Boobie Gibson of all people scored 31 off the bench in game 6 to clinch the series against the pistons. So if you were to ask me, yes MJ 100% would bring 2007 and 2018 Cavs to the finals, even though he might still have the same results in the finals. However this is not an indictment to MJ or Lebron’s talent level, but a testament to how bad the eastern conference was at that time
Edit: yes the Celtics dragged the Cavs to 7 games in 2018, but that team did not have Hayward and Kyrie. The fact that rookie Jayson Tatum dragged the team to 7 games is more of a statement on the Celtics and Cavs team building rather than talent level, and a transcendent superstar like MJ would definitely be able to take the 2018 Cavs to the finald
When are LeBron fans going to admit he threw the 2011 finals so that D-wade wouldn't win Finals MVP and destroy his legacy? Same thing Kobe fans need to admit with 2004
lebron haters are so weird. he literally said lebron ruined his chances at more rings because of 2011. that was literally the first point he brought up. yall claim lebron fans run from it when that was literally the first thing that came out of his mouth 😂😂😂
@@chaos5840 I'm not talking about him actually addressing it. I'm talking about the reasoning behind it. Lebron fans always act like he just had a bad series, but really he threw it. He'd rather lose than win a ring as the second fiddle
we kobe fans already accepted it, even kobe said to shaq in an interview that 2004 was his fault
@@achilles4017 it's not just the fact that it was his fault, it's that he would've rather lost that finals than win it with Shaq as finals MVP. Even the Pistons knew it, said it, and defended Kobe and Shaq accordingly. This is what Kobe fans refuse to admit
@@chaos5840who ever think he the greatest are weird stop over rating him
"his teammates shot bad" "the other team shot really well out of no where"
Slobber on it a bit more Barry
Make sure to take some breaths while you swallowing MJ kids, you gonna suffocate😂 goofy ahh nigha, you a hypocrite talking like yeen got mj meat lodged down your throat with ur jaws licked in position😂
I know Barry listened to that one Kyrie interview of the reporter asking about Lebron as a father figure to him and starting seeing red
LeBron is the both the most popular and most hated player in the NBA right now.
The Decision. The way they announced his move to Miami was a stupid and irresponsible act by a young player.
It was one of the worst strategic decisions ever by a marketing team - Michael’s team would never have let this happen.
Probably 30% of the people who hate LeBron today have never forgiven him for this event, turning his back on Cleveland, and creating the entire “player controls his destiny” landscape the NBA has today.
Okay? What was Lebron supposed to do? Waste away with a franchise who failed to build around him like KG? Not his fault Cavs weren’t good
MJ never would have ran to another player/team to show him how to win a title he stuck it out in Chicago
Something that doesn’t get mentioned enough of the all time greets only Shaq and Lebron couldn’t win w the team that drafted them
@@davis2k1234 yeah MJ only had the best coach ever wing defender ever and rebounder ever. Ofc he didn’t leave
@@danielbattle7620 You fail to consider that Jordan personally maniacally trained the best wing defender partner any superstar could ever ask for and that same coach also didn't have a hard time with Jordan because he's coachable and actually listens to him and buys in on their system(triangle offense).
@@imfinishedgrinding638are you serious? Lmfao at LEAST 3 of Jordan’s teams are considered top 10 of all time. Greatest defender in pippen, HOF rebounder Rodman. He didn’t have to carry the whole load, just score and play acceptable defense. He gambled in the passing lanes a ton, and while locked in he’s great, his responsibilities don’t align with doing everything.
Imagine using shooting luck when LeBron benefitted from arguably the two most clutch title swinging shots in history
Why are u acting like Jordan didn’t have his teammates hit championship winning shots
He mentioned both of those. Imagine basing your ignorant opinions based on two late shots after the GOAT had done so much to put his team in position for those shots to matter in the first place. 😂
@@mattsell2361they weren't in elimination games like lebron were
@@FGBduck6 they were elimination games
You're right, he benefitted from that, but in both games he was basically the sole reason the teams were in a situation to win in the first place. Check out his 4th quarter stats in the Allen and Kyrie shot games
So now Barry can make the same argument for Brady , if that miracle catch doesn't happen , and if Eli had stayed with the chargers Brady would have 9 rings.
2 miracle catches. Mario Manningham had one in SB 46 that led to the game winning score so no need for Eli to be a Charger, just take away 2 impossible catches by 2 guys who pretty much didn’t do anything else in their NFL careers.
Adding insult to injury Giants RB Ahmad Bradshaw nearly cost them the game by scoring a TD that gave the Patriots a chance to march down and win vs kneeling at the 1 to run out the clock and kick a chip shot FG to win by 1.
I'm still Jordan over LeBron, but these Jordan stans claiming LeBron isn't at least top 2 are ridiculous. No one else, not even Kareem, are in the same tier as Jordan and LeBron. Ultimately, the debate should come down to peak vs. longevity (for me, peak is king). Unfortunately, the debate is dictated by which player people like more (and LeBron has done a far better job pissing fans off than MJ ever did).
kobe is way better than bron
@akilfetahaj6346 LeBron has better clutch stats, despite Kobe's reputation, was the best player in all 4 of his rings (4 Finals MVPs and was robbed in 2015 too), has the better resume, dominance and is more of a team player (better efficiency) and is a top 10 passer in the league while also being 1st in career points.
Kobe's peak is on par with LeBron, but LeBron sustained that level way longer than Kobe and was considered the best player in the league for way longer than Kobe was.
@@cheezydubs2549
*A rational Jordan fan?*
*Thank you!*
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I liked the point that the 7 seasons wasted in the first Cleveland stint shouldnt be downplayed just because hes had 14 great years since - 7 years was literally the timespan in which MJ won all of his titles and same applies to most all-time greats
Yea and that's because of the team they had around them. When lebron left the cavs 37 year old shaq and mo williams was his best teammates. Now name the guy that won with a roster like that.
Barry you have to get over the fact that LeBron hasn’t won more rings is because he just wasn’t good enough. (Also a choker)
thank you
Lebron fans will never hold Lebron accountable it’s always someone else’s fault. Lebron in 2007 shot averaged 22 on 35% and averaged 6 turnovers and they somehow found a way to blame his team. 2009 allowed Rashad Lewis to go 5/5 and hit the game winning shot, and in another game he made 3 shots in 3 quarters. And even against the nuggets Lebron proved to not be clutch at all. Lebron fans would rather point at the team, point at the bench, the coach, the front office but never Lebron. It makes you wonder how much help does the supposed greatest player of all time need?
You can't call a 4 time champ a choker, it doesn't work
@@otothem8980 In 2 of those championships someone else hit gaming winning shots, and then in 2020 he had a top 10 player in the league that year and the two leading scorers of Miami were injured. And let’s not forget Bogut missed the last 2-3 games in 2016 and curry had a hurt ankle. Lebron isn’t that clutch in the last 2 minutes and overtime, he’s simply had other people to cover up his weaknesses
Barry is such a coper. Tom Brady wins it’s all “luck” and someone else carrying him (even though football is a large team sport with two sides of play), LeBron loses it’s bad luck and nobody is there to carry him (never pointing out LeBron’s ball dominant style of play).
So trained nba players shoot better than the opposing team in the playoffs is called ‘shooting luck’, got it.
In some ways, yes. Even great shooters miss half the time. So there is a coinflip aspect to everything.
Kind of. More like when trained nba players magically shoot substantially better from 3 against a certain team and then magically go back to shooting subpar against other teams
@@MattBrunson Yeah, Ham's defensive schemes were indeed awful. Teams were lighting up the Lakers all year from 3.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq MPJ was making every insane contested shot
@@ivblizzard3616 It's not saying that no one gets hot on their own against the Lakers. But Ham's defenses left perimeter shooters with extra space, and the Lakers often got torched.
LeBozo ain't the goat, my goat is Post golfing Jordan
Post golfing jordan😂😂😂😂
Very emotional/feminine response.
@@rgood1204Not a Lebron fan calling someone else emotional and feminine 😭😭😭
@@rgood1204don’t you have some wine to go drink with your boyfriend ?
Micheal Jeffery Jordan:
10 scoring titles
9 all defensive awards
Defensive player of the year
200+ steals 100+ blocks twice (only player)
Led league in steals 3 seasons
6-0 finals record
6 finals mvp (most ever)
5 mvp
626 games without losing 3 in a row
Only player to win DPOY & the Scoring Title in same season
Only player to get Finals mvp, championship, scoring title, all defensive award, and mvp in a season. He did it 4 times.
Still leader in PER and win shares with VORP per game
Leads in all time buzzer beater clutch shots in history
Leads in PPG regular and post season
Only player to lead more top 10 lowest scoring supporting cast to titles
Played against 50+win opponents in post season 73% of the time.
All the while having only 1 all star.
Honorable mention: For the entire sport, Jordan is 11-0 champion of the sport. 1 NCAA, 2 FIBA, 2 gold medalist, 6 NBA champion. He never lost when it mattered.
Lebron James:
1 scoring title
1 assist title
Most points scored ever
5 all defensive awards
0 defensive player of the year
4-6 finals record (losing record)
4 finals mvp
4 mvp
leads in turnovers
2nd leader in most missed layups
2nd leader in most missed shots
Played against 50+ win opponents in post season 53% of the time
All the while having all star supporting cast: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and Anthony Davis. Then having Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Rhondo.
Who is the GOAT?
Ur Jordan list was valid for the first like 5 lines and then u started yapping
LeBum is the Tom Brady of the NBA, most overrated player ever.
@@xXxtetosxXxdudes a broncos fan, no wonder ur salty
Still Lebron
@@BeLegendary610 Proof of lebron fanboy delusion. Thanks for saying that.
“I might be biased, but I am also right”
“Kevin Durant ruined the league by making an unbeatable team” yes, an unbeatable team that lost 64 regular season games and failed to threepeat while he was there. What a machine. A team that not only never lived up to 73-9 but never again came close.
They didn’t win 73 games that season partially because they literally didn’t need to whereas in 2016 the warriors had to compete with the 67 win spurs for the one seed. KD only played about 60 games in the regular season and they still cruised to 67 wins before dog walking everyone in the playoffs. Healthy that team beats any other ever assembled in 7 games.
Technically the KD thing happened to Doctor J, but in 1983 they literally did the same thing everyone else and cheesed Malone on the team and smoked many all time great teams.
Lebron undercuts his own legacy by being a Coach killer. His next coach will be his 11th of his career. He's never found or embraced any of his coaches. He could have stayed in Miami and won more titles, but he didn't want to deal with the fact he couldn't get Spoelstra fired. Riley is in complete control in Miami and Spoelstra is his protege and Lebron couldn't handle that. To his detriment.
why do you think LeBron tried to get him fired
I give LeBron a pass because none of his past coaches have proven they can be winners without LeBron James in the starting lineup.
ty lue and erik spoelstra don’t exist i guess
@@PabloVon I don't think he necessarily tried to get him fired, though he did some weird moves undercutting him that first year in Miami. I think he just wanted the power and clout to get Spoelstra fired, which Riley wasn't gonna give him. The Heat don't really play those games. Even now, they are about to ship Jimmy Butler's ass out of there after his continue irritating behavior.
Bro he LITERALLY asked Pat Riley to fire him and return to coaching.
actually hilarious lebron would have 6+ rings if durant wasnt a dweeb
I hate what ifs, thats probably the stupidest what if ever. He MIGHT have 6 rings but we will never know
LeBron would have 10 rings in the 90s 😂 6'9 250 he would dominate. He's like Karl Malone if he could score more than 5 feet from the basket and with 100x more skill and altheticism
@@Dordor1 the only people similar to Karl Malone are guys doing flat time in prison ykwim
@@Dordor1it depends on his team. Time and time again we see that one player can't win a championship solo
and if their teammates didn't suck or underperform or even get injured
Of course on Father’s Day Barry
I think what bronsexuals and casuals don't understand is that Shaq and Gasol actually ruined Kobe's resume. If the rules allowed Kobe to play teams 1 on 5, he would have won a championship every year he was in the NBA and probably have 20 MVPs. He's really the only player whose teammates held him back. His mamba mentality alone really was enough to beat pretty much any opponent.
So tired of this debate honestly.
Yes, Kevin Durant signing with the Warriors are the #1 reason why LeBron couldn’t win anymore rings with the Cavaliers. Had he not left OKC and joined Golden State, the Cavaliers would’ve had multiple championships (at least four or five) by now with LeBron and Kyrie staying on the team.
“At least four or five.” That’s assuming Kyrie stays on the team. That’s assuming that another team in the West doesn’t emerge & steals a ring. Hypotheticals don’t get you anywhere. We’ve seen Lebron be brilliant in the Finals. We’ve also seen him play really shitty in the Finals.
9/10 vid and you were mostly rational. One thing i woild also say is that injury AND shooting luck also benefited Bron in 2016. You should look at Steph in the 2015 finals vs 2016 finals. Curry was looking like he was moving on cement in 2016. Not to even mention that Draymond got suspended. So it goes both ways. But 2016 was such a huge spike in how great LeBron became ultimately viewed as an all time great that I feel that the injuries etc should have also been included. This is nothing to take away from Bron cuz essentially came back down 3-1 in the finals when it's never been done AND against the greatest regular season team of all time. Some things are just meant to be i guess :(
At the end of the day 9/10 video + a like & comment lol. Good job Barry
Man stop. It doesn't go both ways. Draymond missed one game. Lebron dropped 41 and when draymond came back he dropped 41 again. Curry also dropped 38 game 4 of the nba finals. Save that excuse of curry not being healthy. And had 31 game 6.
@sportstalkonly1442 all I'm saying is that Curry became visibly limited in that 2016 finals and one of the clear reasons of that was that he had the footspeed of a center
My wife’s boyfriends father is being so gracious on this blessed Father’s Day and allowing me to watch this glorious video
The Solomon Hill play was in no way, shape, or form a dirty play and attempting to portray it as such is peak glazing.
“Yes I might be biased, but I’m also right” describes most Barry videos! Many such cases!
Everybody ate on brons watch 😂😂😂
@@OGSavage720 difference between him and Jordan LMAO
Yeah cause MJ competition was ahh 😂😂
@@AmirHK-if7in Bron is ahh 😂 MF sucks. 4-6 he can’t stop anybody like MJ can
Why do you never acknowledge the fact that LeBron tried to do what Steph did and recruit KD too? If Steph is such a bitch for begging KD to join the Warriors and succeeding, why doesn't LeBron get ANY heat for trying and failing to do the exact same thing? The KD LeBron Kyrie Cavs would arguably have been just as broken, if not more so considering how much more skilled all around LeBron is vs Steph.
Er... that's not how free agency, the general management office, or basketball works at all. That wasna front office decision, and players really have little to no effect on who goes where. The money does, and Steph doesn't pay anyone. If anything, KD had everything to do with him being on the Warriors and willingly took a smaller check to go to a winning team. Even then, the thing is, KD only has two rings with the Warriors. They won before and after him, so that turned out not to be the biggest factor in their rings. The Warriors nucleus was just that good.
And getting KD didn't necessarily mean that the Cavs would function as a unit any better. Remember that there was a super team, in multiple instances in recent years, that had three massive superstars on one team and they managed to do absolutely nothing. That's because egos are a bigger part of basketball because there are just fewer players to share teamwork with. Each individual matters more, and therefore, will demand more time to play. That's always been a huge problem.
And even if KD did join them, honestly, this era of basketball just has an incredible amount of talent. It's a miracle that the Cavs and Warriors got to face off that often at all.
The difference is one of those things actually happened and the other didn't. Also the cavs were just a good team with lebron on it, the warriors were one of the best teams of all time BEFORE they got KD. Not the same imo.
Same reason mj doesn’t get flak for trying and failing to make the finals. All about perception. 6-0 is apparently better than 6-1
@@notjazz.literally, it’s ridiculous.
6-1 is better than 6-0. The first guy did what the second guy did AND made another final. This isn’t boxing
@@notjazz. That is indeed one of the dumber arguments. It takes some mental gymnastics to say that losing in the second round our the Conference Finals is better than losing in the Finals.
Unlucky shooting is a wild excuse lol
aka he fucking missed lol
Especially when you take into consideration the shots Kyrie and Allen hit 🤦♂️
Except he's right
It's a pathetic excuse. Lebron is a trash shooter and gets way worse in the clutch. 90% of his FG are from inside 3 feet.
@@antonioiniguez1615 he has a point but id argue the lucky shots that fell for him in the finals are a primary reason why he has those 2. Overall luck goes both ways feels like it cancels out to me. Plus you could make a luck being a reason they didn’t win more argument about literally every athlete/team in any sport
MJ having way more help than Lebron and Lebron still having a similar resume is enough to make the GOAT debate an open and shut case.
The industrial amount of copium this guy had to be on to make this video would kill normal humans.
The injuries excuse could apply to almost any high profile player who suffered a couple injuries. You could argue healthy Larry would’ve won at least one more ring…… GIVING HIM MORE THAN LEBRON?!?!!!😢
Math is hard
Facts now I give Bron credit because at the end of the day the best abilities are availability and durability and love em or hate em you do have to give Bron props for his longevity and how long he has been able to maintain this level of play but yes we could be here all day if we talked about every injury and how this guy or that guy would have been this or that had he not gotten hurt
4:10 bad organisation they may be, but don't for a second act like LeBronze wasn't responsible 2021 trades and Westbrook.
Should re title this video. Top 5 Excuses on why lebron hasnt won more
I don't get why Lebronsexuals have to constantly make excuses for Lebron. Just state he's the GOAT with your reasonings, and leave it at that. Instead, they are constantly making frantic excuses for all of his flaws, and crapping on past players (ignoring the fact Lebron will eventually become a dinosaur soon) in the process. It's embarassing.
To be honest, considering the eras LeBron has played in and who hes played against and who hes played with its suprising he managed to win 4 rings and even make 10 finals
In the end of the day, one man can do so much, but damn Bron made it feel like it was already wrote in the script that he was making the finals, even if his team was complete ass going against a borderline 60 win team
The only reason he has 4 is bc he spent his career chasing them. If other superstars did the same they’d have more than LeBron. Honestly only getting 4 after all this time chasing them is pathetic.
Bro who doesn’t want to win rings?!?! Lmaoooo
Like seriously, it’s just so silly of a comment
Truth!!! LeBron wanted Spoelstra fired and succeeded in dismissing 10 other coaches. Let’s not forget the substantial BALCO allegations.
Alot of copium on that last point lmao.
Love your vids. But insinuating that Lebron’s move to the Heat was not the same because “the heat team wasnt as good as the warriors team” (paraphrasing) is ridiculous. He won 2 rings by teaming up with other superstars, and he lost 2 rings because of superstars teaming up. Ironically KD lost 1 to this and gained 2 as well. Everything is balanced. Just because he wasnt as good at teaming up doesnt mean he didnt do it. 2 times I might add.
It's pretty simple. He builds teams designed to run exclusively through him with zero thought of the whole team. He'll play well for 3 quarters, stuffing the stat sheet, then fall apart and choke in the 4th, refusing to step up late and go to the line. Then he throws his teammates under the bus, takes zero responsibility for the loss, gets coaches fired, and teammates traded. And after all that, he leaves in free agency, leaving the team completely decimated. He isn't a leader, he is a locker room cancer that can't perform when it matters most.
agreed
It's wild how much you can see a sharp difference between pre-KD Warriors LeBron and post-KDW. Before, he actually performed consistently well and was even clutch at times, but it's like KD joining Golden State and the train they ran on LeBron and the rest of the league broke something in his brain and made him obsessed with doing what KD did but to the nth degree. Now he's become basically a neurotic mess, as you described.
Though even the attempts at the LeBron superteam projects isn't even a first for him. Despite the insane revisionism, that was what that Big 3 Miami Heat squad with James, Bosh, and Wade was supposed to be as well - a superteam, meant to run the league.
*Only your narrative is false.*
*LeBron leads the ENTIRE NBA in the last 28 years in:*
*Playoff Win Probability Added (PWPA) in the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter.*
*Go-ahead shots made in the last 50 seconds of the 4th quarter in the playoffs (18/31)*
*Last second game-tying/go-ahead shots made in the 4th quarter (7/12); including a NBA record FIVE buzzer beaters.*
@@bigkev9539 all stats that dont produce wins and rings
@@KwaIified
*Yes it does. Otherwise, he would have no rings.*
You’re commitment to the agenda is outstanding you are up there with Shannon Sharpe as elite bron stans
LeBron's per game numbers now seem great, and they are, but if we adjusted his stats to let's say, 2012-13 MVP LeBron...
2012-13: 26.8 PPG, 8.0 RPG, 7.3 APG
2023-24 adjusted to 2012-13: 22.0 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 6.9 APG
You’re talking about a 39 year old with 60,000 minutes plus of basketball wear and tear on his body meanwhile MJ was busy rotting away diminishing an 18 year olds confidence being a terrible teammate putting up inefficient numbers and losing not making the playoffs
@@PHXNKVHXLIC Ok, MJ didn't have an eye for talent. He still would've made the playoffs in 2001-02 if he didn't mess up his knee. Same excuse LeBron fans make for him not making the playoffs in 2018-19 with his groin
how are you adjusting those stats?
@fluff975 By taking his points, assists, and rebounds from this year, dividing them by the 2023-24 league average of points, assists, and rebounds, and multiplying them by the 2012-13 league average of points, assists, and rebounds. Make sense?
@@chuckyjamesamartin1968Are you slow? You thought converting 40 year old lebrons stats would make your point? Adjust for his PRIME. If anything, your point just makes lebron that much more impressive. Year 21 and averaging easily above all star numbers. Oh, and his win shares are 4th in the league 😂
Saying shooting like it’s kind of crazy like we’re gonna act like the other team can’t just play good defense or it was a bad matchup
I'm sorry Barry but I love your channel but this just sounds like cope not even gonna lie like "shooting luck" wtf type of argument is that I know bias is gonna happen with some of your arguments but for real, but come on bro
Only 4 rings... Jesus if you people would stop pretending lebron is some kind of demi God that should win a ring every year this wouldn't be an issue. 4 rings is incredible and right in line with someone as skilled as lebron is.
Especially against the competition he had
He actually overachieved given the circumstances. He's been the betting favourite only 3 times in his 10 finals appearances, and he still has 4 rings despite blowing one to the mavs. In fact, he was a bigger underdog than the MAVs were in 2011 in 5 of those appearances!
We're in lebrons darkest timeline, and he still has a SOLID goat case. Couple more things swing his way and it wouldn't even be a debate anymore.
"pulled groin injury"
Bulls fans: OH THE HUMANITY, say it ain't so, his poor groin
There are numerous reasons why LeBron hasn't won more titles:
1.) He underperformed in the 2011 Finals, like no other NBA legend has before or after him. He got guarded by Jason Terry and JJ Barea and was having a hard time with them, even though they were much smaller and shorter than him. That ends the GOAT debate for him right there.
2.) He doesn't make his teammates better. If you look at any great player that LeBron has played with in his career, with the exception of Kyrie, and maybe AD (his numbers are about the same as they were in NO, however his 2pt proficiency increased). LeBron plays a system of basketball that is not consistently conducive to playoff success. Has he been to 10 finals... yes. Has he also only won 4 times out of those 10 attempts... absolutely. LeBron plays in the "LeBron James system," where he is usually on the ball a good portion of the time, and typically all of the wing players are just out on the three point line, where Bron will toss it to them when he drives, or nowadays will just dump it off to AD when he's in the post. The only time that LeBron ever played in a real system was when he was in Miami, where he wasn't allowed to be on the ball as much, and was required to play off the ball/learn how to play in a team system. And Bron hated it and wanted to Spoelstra fired, but Pat Reilly wasn't going for that. He also was most successful during his time in Miami.
3.) Coaching. Now, I've heard numerous LeBron stans say that LeBron didn't have good coaches, other than Erik Spoelstra, which is partly true. However, these individuals leave out some important context. LeBron didn't have great coaches because of LeBron. In a frachise where he has a lot of control (ie: Cleveland, and to an extent LA), he has always been given the green light to choose his coaches (and his teammates). In some ways this can be nice, however; with LeBron, he chooses these non-decorated coaches because he knows that he can step all over them, and dictate how to team is going to play. That's why LeBron also can't keep a coach. Because he runs all of them off because they get tired to his bullshit.
Everything is somehow lebrons fault. What a joke.
His biggest flaw is he chooses pretty shitty situations he should of never went to LA
You severely underrate Wilt Kareem n Russel
Creating a 15 minute video and never barely bringing up the 2011 Dallas Mavericks choke job by LeBron James was diabolical
I Love it 🥰
Yeah and Kobe got swept that year. What’s your point bum?
@@danielbattle7620 and? kobe and bron both sold. whats ur point bum?
@@danielbattle7620 this has nothing to do with Kobe?? Lmao Lebron had the biggest choke job in the finals. That whole year everyone kept saying the trophy already had the heat’s name engraved on it. No legend has ever choke that hard in a series
@@danielbattle7620Gasol avg 11PPG as his No2 he didn’t have the best player in the world at the time in 2011 playoffs in Dwade and CBsoh was better then Gasol
@@97NikeSbWhy do troglodytes like you compare the worst of a player to his 20 year stellar career? You know Mike never made the finals before Scottie, you know Mike only made 6 finals in his career, etc.
He still lose points for forming a super team to begin with. So we’re not comparing his 4 rings to Jordan’s 6. How it all happened matters most.
LeBron didn’t just leave Cleveland, but he left Miami too. He’s a coward. He paved the way for cowards like KD to follow in his footsteps with weak moves.
Barry: Not gonna mention Bron recruited KD just as hard after 2016..... KD just didn't want to play with Bron? If he went there you would be slurping bron even harder 😂
No he didn't. That's a bold faced lie. The gm did. Lebron is not the gm and the article you're referring to even stated lebron had nothing to do with the attempt to recruit kd.
Yeahhhh babyyyyy I’ve been waiting for this for the past few hours. Can’t wait to watch the video
5. Disappears in big moments
4. Tries to GM gets players that are big names rather than players that also fit
3. Doesn't allow himself to be coached
2. Stacks his teams and kills his depth
1. He's not Jordan and is mentally weak
0. Flops every two seconds
Mentally weak is laughable
@@SagaTheFunniest laughable, because it's hilariously true
@@Juan_riveraThe only thing thats laughable os the fact that you actually went through woth this comment and still believe you dont look like a fukking idiot clown😂 alright, sonce its attention ypu want, ill give you some attention and set you and your 2 brain cells right😂
@@Excard0nTrae young
James harden
Joel Embiid
Marcus Smart
Jayson Tatum
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Its no problem when they do it tho? 30 ppg at 39😂 dude would cook MJ
KD. if KD didnt go to the warriors LeBron would have more rings. you can even argue if Love and Kyrie stayed healthy in 2015 they would have won that championship also. KD really fcked over LeBron with that one move.
What if KD went to Cleveland?
Excuses excuses, MJ FOREVER
What’s that background music called?
Imagine if Jordan got to play in a Mickey Mouse Finals and won a lockout season Finals. Lebron has like 2.75 rings at best.
Yeah imagine if he had to go up against the 2017 warriors
Imagine if Jordan had to face zone, he wouldn’t make a finals
Jorbum has 0.2 rings at best then. Carried by pippen, saved by paxon and then kere, carried by rodman grabbing all his bricks every game😂 Same logic😂 imagine if Lebron played in the 90's plumber era😂 wpuldve been a done deal, 10 rings in 10 years. Unlike jorbum who retired after 3 cus he knew he was cooked😂😂😂
Get off ur knees jordan doesn’t know you
Spurs
Choked
Kevin Durant
That's it lmao
The glaze is wild
The main reason Lebron doesn’t have more rings is because they only played in Disneyland for one season
Lebron is better get over it
@@finnmurphy6133 Keep dreaming lil bro 😂
JorFraud would just be another Sg in this Era.
@@Dordor1 Lebron been getting dominated by white boys and light skin niggas his whole career 😭😭😭
I wouldn't see any hate from jordan winning in a disney bubble finals if it happened back in the 90's
...Heck! that would be something iconic,Nostalgic even and a instant classic for jordan cucks.....
Who was Iverson best player plsyed with with in first 7 seasons
Why Lebum has 4 rings….
Number 1-played in a ridiculously easy eastern conference for 3-4 championships
Number 2- Disney land championship that doesn’t count
Number 3- had a team full of all stars with the heat, still should have lost to the spurs but ray Allen saved the day.
Why Jordan has 6 rings….
#1. Played ridiculously easy Western Conference Champions every finals for 5-6 championships
#2. 90s rings against less competition and more dilution within league overall counts for less
#3. One of the best coaches of all time and a front office that only paid Jordan allowing for tons of amazing role players
Excuse me, it’s Disney WORLD. It’s the only thing my city is famous for and I’ll never stop correcting this. 🤓
@@Buttington_Headerson my bad bro I’ll hope you forgive me I’ll do better in the future I promise😆
Jorfrauds competition.
5'4 Muggusy bowes who onced locked him up.
1991 finals a diseased filled And washed Magic Johnson
1992 a fat and outta shape Charles Barkley
1998 : pushes off but the refs don't call it cause it's rigged.
@@JarrekAsF#1 Jordan and the bulls ALWAYS played either the #1 seed in the west or the team with the best record in the league every finals he went 2 while LeBron has gotten to play a 3 seed or lower in the finals multiple times
#2 the less competition argument is used by new age basketball fans who weren't even around in the 90's and don't understand how different the game was and how differently the game was officiated the 90's is no more or less talented that today's game
#3 that same coach and organization never won anything in Chicago without Jordan so it's a moot point they needed each other
Talk about cope.
1. Neither Pippen nor Grant (nor any of Jordan's other teammates) made an All-star team by the end of Jordan's first 7 seasons. The Bulls were *trash* without him in the mid 80s.
2. Talking about injury luck without considering the same for other teams is inconsistent. E.g. Pippen's migraine in G7 of the 1990 ECF or his back in 1998, or the 2016 Warriors' injuries in the playoffs.
3. It's common for scoring and efficiency to drop in the playoffs, especially in a long series. Shooting variance impacts everyone; with enough examples, it's no longer luck.
4. KD is responsible for at most 1 ring. No guarantee Lebron beats the warriors or whoever in 2017. No way they win in 2018...there were multiple other west teams who would beat them.
Speaking of other west teams... the only reason anyone even asks a question like this is because it looks like LeBron was close to many more rings based on his 4-6 finals record. This is a mirage driven largely by the East being incredibly weak for most of Lebron's time there; he wasn't actually that close and would have likely been eliminated in the earlier rounds of the playoffs if the Cavs had played in the West. No one says shit like "Jordan would have won more rings if he hadn't had to play against the Celtics in 86" or whatever because obviously they weren't beating the other top teams of the time either.
That number 3 point is relevant to Jordan as well as in game 7 against the pistons in 1990. The bulls beside Jordan shot 15-63 this caused Jordan to lose, I think this is the worst combined shooting percentage in nba history. In the end every great has reasons for losing.
Great video Barry, as a OKC fan the KD move still frustrates me so much. Not only did we miss out on SOME variety in the finals the following years after but even if the warriors would’ve beaten OKC each year and did make the finals against Lebron, that snake bitch costed basketball fans what may have been the most legendary rivalry in all of the sports history. Instead, turning off the TV was the best option. I still think in 2018, had the Rockets pulled it off in the WCF, that would’ve been a fun Finals to watch. Maybe the most entertaining one yet at least on paper
I call bullshit that “unbeatable “ gsw team was taken to 7 games by the Houston rockets and if cp3 didn’t get injured they would’ve won so just because your king couldn’t bet them don’t make the unbeatable bro
You failed to mention how lebron choked in 2007 and committed the worst choke job in 2011 in sports history from any superstar.
GOATs don't choke.
Brady losing to Eli Manning twice wasn’t a chokejob?
Brady choked to Eli and Nick Foles, Jordan choked to the Pistons, Magic, and Celtics
@@guy4835 Brady's was not the worst choke job. Read what I wrote. Lebron committed the worst. Thats football. If someone comes along and wins 7 superbowls without choking in the super bowl, then we can put him above Brady.
Also, if choking is your standard of GOAT, then you must have really low standards.
@@greninja4175 Wrong! Jordan did not choke against these teams.
Against 1986 Celtics: 44 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists. Scoring 63 in one game.
40 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in his career against Celtics.
Everyone knows the Bulls were awful.
Against Pistons 30 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists - Jordan did not choke.
Against Magics: 31 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists - Jordan did not choke.
Jordan stayed with the Bulls and built the team. He rose above his hurdles, and even beat the Pistons best players while in their prime: Isaiah 29, Dumars 27. Of which they hate Jordan for.
Stop changing the history.
@@greninja4175 And on a minor note: Jordan never choked in the Finals. In the entire basketball career he is 11-0 worldwide: 1-0 NCAA, 2-0 Gold Medals, 2-0 FIBA, 6-0 NBA.
I sincerely hope Barry gets a few dollars from LeBron for all the nuthugging he's been doing all these years.
(Also, he's not even top 5 all time in the NBA)
😂😂😂 Exactly
He constantly forgets how much of a shitty leader, shitty teammate, and player to coach he really is.
🧢🧢🧢
People forget that in 2015 Kelly Olynyk broke Kevin Love’s arm in the 1st round of the playoffs. Then Kyrie broke his kneecap in game 1 of the finals. It was really both of those injuries that really messed up Cleveland’s chances that year.
Seeing Brady win a 7th ring in his first year in Tampa broke Barry’s brain. Meanwhile Lebozo hasn’t won a meaningful title since 2016. Sad to see one of the greatest trolls in history fall off so hard.
You sound dumb, every championship is meaningful!
Lebron defense is so damn funny because current young players still think it’s Jordan. Guys who like lebron on TH-cam are banking on todays 10-15 year olds believing in lebron when curry is right there LMAO.
No it didn't. You should look at his video on that season if that's what you believe.
@@SaixjacketI’m sorry you think Curry is above LeBron?
LeGOAT would own JorFraud in the 90's where people couldn't shoot with their left, couldn't more than 30% from 3 and had basic dribbles.
LeBron is playing on the most skilled era of basketball ever. It's just that because of points inflation by the NBA giving so many freethrows and limiting the defense people think competition today is easy.
I would say on a skill level, both Lebron and MJ are equal. However MJ got a GM that could actually make a good team. If MJ hadn’t gotten the team he did, he would’ve had the same legacy as Lebron.
I love NBA ring culture and people that think that only shoot-first guards like Jordan and Kobe are the kinds of players that matter.
Jordan/Kobe fans: Jordan and Kobe are better because Jordan has two more rings than LeBron and Kobe has one more ring doesn't matter the competition or era
Me: *mentions Russell's 11*
Jordan/Kobe fans: Well back then there were only 9 teams and just plumbers
Jordan/Kobe fans: Nobody had more help in the modern era in winning their titles with teammates than LeBron *mentions only ppg stats of LeBron's teammates not taking account things such as pace or assists and only mention Shaq's 2001-02 stats from the Lakers/Spurs series where Robinson and Duncan were in the paint forcing them to shoot more outside*
Me: *mentions the defensive win shares of Scottie Pippen (who AVERAGED more DWS per season from 1990-97 than any individual teammate LeBron ever played with in one of his individual 21 seasons), Horrace Grant, Dennis Rodman, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom followed by the ENTIRE stats of 2000-02 Shaq*
Jordan/Kobe fans: You're just cherry picking
6/6 vs 4/10 bro had a losing win rate when it mattered most
How dare you bring up logical facts! The thing I always bring up is when Lebron left the cavs both times and left the heat they became trash. When Jordan left the bulls in 94 the bulls were one of the best teams and almost made the finals and pippen almost won mvp so I wonder who had more help
@@mattsell2361 exactly had he stayed with the team that drafted him he would’ve become Karl Malone v2.0 who has the third most career points in NBA history played 19 seasons with an only 0/2 Finals record to show for it. Let’s face it any player in LeBron’s shoes would’ve gotten fed up and left the Cavs in 2010. Look at the 2009 team that went 66-16 only to lose the ECF despite LeBron averaging 38.5ppg on 50% FG, seriously watch that series and tell me he didn’t put his absolute heart and soul into that series.
@@williamtoad8040 yeah exactly that’s why basketball is a team sport but people don’t understand that for some reason. And I tell people this all the time mj had one of the luckiest careers ever and Lebron had one of the unluckiest careers ever. If that makes mj your goat just of resume that’s fine but if we are talking just a basketball player I’m taking Lebron pretty easily over anyone else
@@mattsell2361 exactly, the Bulls realized what they had with Jordan and knew how to fill in the roles and gaps around him that needed to be plugged. Also to quote Kobe Bryant “if you want defense watch Scottie Pippen”. Yes LeBron sucked in the 2011 Finals but was he any worse than Bird in 1981 who had was facing a 40-42 team IN THE FINALS, and Kobe in 2000 who got absolutely carried by Shaq’s 38ppg on 61% FG. Also, two players born in the same year had the luckiest and unluckiest careers because they were both born in the same calendar year: Bill Russell and Elgin Baylor.
Barry being back basketball content or else I will become addicted to some substance (probably paint huffing)
I mean, let’s be honest: if Kevin Durant doesn’t join the Warriors the 2018 Cavaliers are still getting spanked by the Houston Rockets in the NBA finals
Dam bro I just really starting into basketball more recently, vids like this and the comments show me how deep this shit really goes 😂
you can have your little opinions but jordan is the objective goat. nothing you can post, no video you will make, will ever change that. you realize if the players in jordan’s era sucked, it means his teammates sucked too. or did he just happen to be on the only team with other good players?
You have a braintumor cancerboy
Have fun being wrong.
yeah Jordans teammates sucked, when his team is considered to be the best team in NBA history and they won 55 games without him. lmao, I'm used to delusional takes from MJ fans but this is on another level
For the sake of accuracy, Bird and the Celtics won the title in 1981. McHale and Parrish were bench players, averaging 20 and 28 minutes per game. Obviously, they were still important factors on the Celtics winning, but it wasn't like they were by 1983. I mean, Chris Ford saw more minutes than McHale or Chief!
jorbum fans in the comments going ham on their keyboards😂
@@dirtycash36 it's okay he lechoked on his own diss
@@dirtycash36no way did you singlehandedly create the LeBum phrase?😮
Bron fans just assuming Lebron and kyrie would just beat the warriors without kd 3 straight years is my only grievance with them ngl