I'm a Maritime historian specializing in the 20th century to present day... I'm old now, disabled and in a wheelchair, but I've read almost everything there is to read about WW 2 naval battles, as well as WW 2 land and air battles... My father was at Omaha Beach during Operation Overlord (D-Day) and when I was old enough, he told me many horrifying stories about that battle... Anyway, in the past three decades, social media via TH-cam has made thousands of videos about historic topics that help people learn without having to read books... Most are very good at educating people, some are not. This video has it's share of little mistakes, but overall it's very good and people who know nothing about the sinking and discovery of the Musashi, will learn most of the important facts in about 25 minutes! 👏
Old , disabled and in a wheelchair.... describes me to a T , history buff as well. Your comment is worthy of any " Historian " thanks for expressing my thoughts as well. Well done Sir 👍. Go Navy 🇺🇲
I always wonder what the Japanese were thinking, to go on a mission like this against the United States. One of the biggest historical blunders of all time.
Judging by how much Musashi wreck is scattered, it’s kinda terrifying how devastated the explosion that destroyed her would have be had it goes up on the surface. I mean, 2/3 of her hull from the base of second turret all the way to the tip of her stern has been basically ripped to pieces. Even Yamato still has most of her hull (aside from a part where second turret was) but Musashi middle and stern were basically disintegrated.
Well it tumbled down a 4000 ft tall volcano at 20-25 knots….. id imagine that torn it up pretty good after it had a bunch of holes blown in it🤷🏻♂️ “paper tiger” the biggest underestimation in history 🤣
well once at billionare level yoru money makes its own money you just do what ever the fk you want for the rest of ya life just dont leave witnesses if its illegal or be the Saudis and own ya own COuntry and have a trillion dollar trust fund and play the Religious influence mode of Civ Earth 2024.
One of the few billionaires using their money to advance humanity. Can you imagine what this tech can do in the cases of lost aircraft and vessels and deep ocean studies... Can't really criticise Paul Allen like I would musk or bezos.
@@mwat22They must first obtain or secure a permit and authorization with the Phillipine government. You are not supposed to do research in our country's internal territorial waters or sea or even in our Exclusive Economic Zone or EEZ even they have a good and noble aim.amd intention on that undertaking. All countries in the world have their own Maritime Laws under United Nation Convention of Law of the Sea or UNCLOS that they must respected both by it's citizens and foreign guest either you were ordinary citizens or a billionaire. You are not exempted to the rule.😊
Hate that Paul Allens' sister stopped the hunt for these ships after he died. I remember a few years back hearing every few months about different ships they had discovered.
Mushashi is probably too deep to plunder. However, by 2014, HMS Electra and HMS Exeter had been totally removed by illegal scavenging. Battleships HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse had been badly cut up. British, Australian, American and Dutch ships lost in the Battle of Java Sea have met the same fate. With that background, it's no surprise that families of the fallen do not want these wrecks found. Search for a 2016 article on The Guardian website - "British second world war shipwrecks in Java Sea destroyed by illegal scavenging"
@@sloppypotato00 It is surprising how many of the Japanese warships are missing. At last count. Shinano, Kongo, Hiryu, Mikuma, Fuso are all missing despite knowing approximately where they were sunk.
Another brilliant and interesting story. This is becoming one of my weekly "sea fix" go to programs in my retirement. Years ago, I was Navigator aboard the RV Melville AGOR 14. We did an expedition to test a new navy deep water side scan sonar towed system. We searched for the Japanese carriers sunk in the Battle of Midway. Very deep water - much deeper than what the Titanic rests in. Later, another ship went back with a camera ROV to video our findings. The Melville ended her long oceanographic career as the oldest ship in the research fleet. She is now in the Philippines Navy. The autonomous underwater vehicles are changing science and naval warfare. The Manta for example. I would not want to be a sea warrior in future wars. Now a drone waiting on the seafloor can sink a warship.
Today your old ship serves the Philippine Navy as the BRP Gregorio Velasquez. Its namesake was a National Scientist of the Philippines, who specialized in Phycology (the study of algae).
@@kristoffermangila Excellent. So glad that a ship that had a long life conducting science research around the globe is still working. I spent 22 years at sea on the Melville AGOR 14, Roger Revelle AGOR 24 and Sally Ride AGOR 28. We did research expeditions in the Philippines and Taiwan with PI scientists aboard on numerous occasions.
Great video. I am absolutely obsessed with shipwreck stories of all types. I grew up on Lake Michigan and spent many, many hours on those waters and I think most people are unaware of how terrifying the Great Lakes can be. This is one of my top two or three channels that covers these stories. Keep up the great work!
New subscriber here. I am so glad I came across your channel. You are the best presenter I've ever watched on TH-cam. I really like the way you explain certain concepts so that the uninitiated understand everything in your videos.
This was before Paul Allen bought his own ship, the RV Petrel, which went on to do so much more. I would love to hear stories of the other wrecks that were found, especially since most content creators focus more on how those ships were sunk than how they were rediscovered
What saddens me most is the crushing of parts of the ship. The massive explosion is a horror but the implosion implies there was air inside, which might have been many people sealed inside water tight compartments. I know death would have been as sudden as in the explosion, with less suffering than other deaths, but it makes me shudder.
Don’t feel bad. Japanese lived to die for the emperor. The mothers raised their kids so they would gladly die for the emperor’s glory. Think kamakaze. They loved to rape and kill civilians. Read the history of the Japanese in China and how they murdered mothers, children, and defenders who surrendered to them. Very sick society.
You just made me think of the few minutes, seconds that some of those trap sailors might have experienced. Knowing that you were going to die and hoping it would be quick...
Most battleships don´t make nice to look at wrecks . The ammunition going off is one thing but also the closed amored watertight compartments imploding later on , chilling to think about that they had air till the last moment . Think to get a mostly intact wreck it must have been filling up quick with water
I’ve never stepped foot on an ocean going liner going liner and only saw the ocean once. You explain things so well I can almost feel the water! One of my favorite channels on you tube You have a great talent! Thanks so much for your time. It shows you clearly spend a lot of time researching and do a wonderful job!
Super coverage and articulation about Yamato’s sister ship lost right before the amazing underdog victory in Leyte Gulf. Could have been the Yamato instead…. The very interesting and multi-country engaging hobbies someone can pursue with fabulous wealth and special motivation (and regained good health)!
My father in law was seriously wounded at Leyte. He fell about 25 feet onto the deck when his ship was hit by a kamikaze zero and ended up in a hospital for almost a year. He lived until he was 87 years old.
From the bottom of my heart thank you for his Service to yours and our country. My family lived in terror from these Japanese greed and Warships. My Uncle is a WW II Vet who fought hard with the Americans. Him and his battalion were never recognized but I remember I used to watch them celebrate July 4 as a holiday in the Philippines we call FilAm friendship day. Technically our independence day from USA. I remember there were protests in the streets to leave that ship where it belongs. Both Philippines and Japanese came into terms to serve that as memorials and hopefully serve a lesson for the next generations. There's more sunken ships around our islands. From the Galeon to WW II to many shipwrecks we have not to mention Don Juan ship that wicked on Christmas eve and cost thousands of lives. Nevertheless we now recognize Japan as big partner in building the economy and infrastructure of our islands. In fact my own kid look exactly Japanese. They built and occupied houses before they use for their comfort women. The most fascinating is my late father in law looks Japanese. He just sit in the kitchen quietly and don't even mingle and talk to us. I told my husband he must be one of those Japanese that decided to stay and lived among us. Just like that Japanese soldier that surrendered 30 years later thinking it's still WW II.
Thank you so very much for producing this content. I am fascinated by WWII, especially naval battles. I find everything you channel produces to be very interesting. Thank you very much. 😊
There is a small error at 2:49 that picture shows an agano light cruiser not the musashi (2 turrets forward 1 at the stern and the big plattform in front of the catapult). If it is one of the last moment pictures of the Battle of Leyte gulf it should be the Noshiro. (Musashi was sunk one day before at the first part of the battle of leyte gulf called the battle of the Sibuyan Sea)
@@waterlinestories and completely understand that which is why I initially subscribed but it doesn’t do any harm to mix it up now and again as this cracking stream illustrates. Best wishes.
Ironically, Japan intended for Yamato and Musashi to play pivotal roles in defeating the American fleet (or fighting it to a draw) but both ships spent most of the war in port, escorting convoys or ferrying troops - another example of old admirals preparing for the last war. Kinda sad that they never got to do what they were built for (fortunate of course for the Allies).
Kantai Kessen was always a retarded doctrine that only worked against a handful of Russian Dinghies. It was absolutely asinine to think sinking a few American battleships with those two 71000 ton pigs was going to have any meaningful impact in the war when American industrial capacity allowed them to crap out a new Essex class carrier every 3-5 weeks each one with an aircraft complement capable of sinking a Yamato or Musashi. The US at least gave their BBs an actual AA suite that made them somewhat useful at escorting troop carriers and Fleet carriers. The IJN AA was pathetic by all accounts and second in its ineffectiveness at shooting down airplanes only to the Kriegsmarine. Even if the IJN did get their silly decisive battle, they would still be ground down into dust in a long war of attrition. The US wasn't going to roll over just because they lost a few battleships or carriers that they could replace in the time that it takes a Yamato to get filled up on supplies.
They were obsessed with the idea of a decisive naval battle like they had at Tsushima. It is interesting that they were the first to see the advantage of seaborne airpower, but held to the obsolete notion of major ship to ship sea battles. They expected a short war and got a long slugging match that they did not have the resouces or production capability to endure.
Japanese warfare may have made sense against a country similar to Japan. But the United States, with its nearly unlimited food, fuel and resources was not a country they could have ever bested. I grew up near one of the navy yards where they made a lot of the ships for world war II--the numbers were staggering how many ships they churned out, and that navy yard I mention wasn't even a top port in terms of production. I really wonder what the hell Japan was thinking.
Fantastic video. Good pacing and presentation and no bullshit and no fluff. Also, thank you for putting imperial figures up as I am still not used to meters or kg.
Another excellent video from this channel. The amount of research which must have gone into making this video is staggering. I think it says about the integrity of Mr Allen right from the beginning to treat the site of a war grave. A person with less integrity would have plundered the ship to make a quick profit. I hope the descendants of those people who died may have some closure.
That is interesting about the heavy armor sections being riveted. Rivets shear when they fail, whereas welds tend to tear. When welding became practical, it was a game changer, providing many advantages over rivets.
Sibuyan Islands is right smack dab in the middle of the entire Philippines archipelago. I can only imagine the captain and the crew knew they were being hunted and trying to hold off the inevitable by concealing themselves around as many islands as possible since it would be a dishonor to surrender. They went down fighting in code with their culture. Both terrified and relieved once the hunt was over. May their families find peace with this discovery. Thank you for sharing.
What about the lives of those islanders they terrorize? Sibuyan is close to my island in the Visayas. The sea is where we get our livelihoods and the islands we called Home.
i mean in theory that isn't true but would the ship be sea worthy like a ship made of closed cell foam isn't likely to physically able to sink capsize yea break apart in light seas but the foam isn't going under also that ice ship they dreamed up in ww2 it couldn't sink break apart and melt yes but not sink but nothing that is unsinkable is practicable
@@Blanks_Ssitrue but look at that German ship that made it back to a German port after the battle of Jutland during the First World War the amount of times that ship was peppered was insane, bismark was another
I thought you kept saying the explosion was seen by the Kirishima, which was famously sunk at Guadacanal. After looking over the order of battle, I was mishearing Kiyoshimo.
What gives a pause to ponder is about another ship Allen's crew found, the Indianapolis. It was returning from bringing the nukes to Tinian when it was torpedoed by the Japanese sub I-58. So, what would have happened if it had been sunk on it's way TO Tinian?
In dis documentary, it becomes clear to me, that, in contrary to Yamato, the Mushashi could not be welded. Incredible!!😲 The Yamato, who was also very heavily armoured, could be welded. I have seen and heard this a couple of days ago in a documentary about the Yamato. Both ship were awesome creations of engineering.
Why is it any time something is considered as big as the Titanic or "Unsinkable", it always ends as a story of Hubris? You'd THINK someone would learn. Hopefully the Titan Submersible will be the last, but we all know better........
@@shaunmcclory8117 I'm not gonna be the kind of dick commenter that says: "Go Google It", so for possible future commenters, to save you the trip: Excessive Overconfidence, over the top Pride. Like the prize fighter who overestimates his opponent in the ring to the point of making himself a spectacle, only to get his own lights knocked out about 15 seconds into the first round. Or Bruce J. Ismay. Or Stockton Rush.
Rest in peace to all those who fought and died on both sides. It's crazy to think about how much effort and ingenuity goes into the development of war machines and the business of killing ones fellow man. I can only imagine what the dead would have to say about it if they could.
The US ships didn't have their watertight doors closed. Because the doors were open it left the ships highly vulnerable to flooding. The Japanese also used custom bombs far larger (1,763lb converted battleship AP shells) than normally used. Those bombs only sank the Arizona. The rest did damage, but were not fatal.
Thank you.. i stand corrected.... i always thought Paul Allen was searching for sunken treasure ships. Specially after finding the wwIi japanese submarine so i giess he was using the mega yacht Octopus for the search
A note of correction, the USN had encountered the Yamato class before 1944, as Yamato was torpedoed by USS Skate, a USN submarine in 1943. The USN did know about the Yamato class to a degree, they just badly underestimated the scale and caliber of the vessels, believing them to carry 15-16 inch main guns when in reality they carried 18.1 inch rifles.
Hola, I love your stories and have been binge watching at times so well done. In this video I am confused. At 03:19, you say 1023 sailors including the Captain went to their watery grave but then you say cerca 1376 survived. Did the sailors die or survive?
Noticed that Musashi and Yamato wrecks look almost identical in relation to damage and placement on the ocean floor. Curious if there was some kind of "self destruct device" on both vessels?
NICE mate i really like ya stuff. i,ve back watched the lot. n now wait 4 more. cheers.:-). ya animations r as good as ya story telling. but the education on stuff i knew of. but lacked details. mint
Now all the sailors can rest at peace. No matter what country a person is from or which side of a battle they are on, their sacrifice deserves to respected, and their families deserve to know what happened to them. There is no better way to honor a fallen sailor.
I hope they survey the shinano sometime - her hull would be mostly intact and she would probably be upright given other carrier wrecks that have been found
Closure for the remaining relatives is the best gift. The historical value of the information learned, is second to the closure given to the relatives of those who died. What's going out to 80 years later we're still killing each other over things that don't really seem to matter 80 years later. Yes but then the Japanese accomplish much of what they wanted through economic trade and might. Birthday extended their global power extensively. And they have recently begun to rebuild their navy. After all we are now telling the world once again for at least next 4 years hopefully beyond we are tired of flipping the bill for their security. One concern might be in the future when they become more strong militarily on their own. Back in the US Navy a second to none. The overall military might of us military has no comparison Blac Chyna is making a run at it. It's not like mainland China has ever been a friend since the communist has taken over. Bed for my historical point of view this was a fantastic piece of work. Thank you
Sou do Brazil país onde tudo é difícil 😂. Mas quero dar os parabéns para o Dr. Paul Allen e seus companheiros que fizeram essa expedição de resgate da História Mundial. Isto foi incrível 😅. Parabéns a todos os amigos que estão no grupo.
Sooooo the send an ROV to look at some small debris and find the ship? Where was it on the scan? That’s like seeing a crumb on the ground,bending to pick it up and coming back with a loaf of bread.
Paul Allen is using his fortune in a way I think would be more gratifying than just buying up companies and whatnot. Getting out of the rat race and launching expeditions.
I'm a Maritime historian specializing in the 20th century to present day... I'm old now, disabled and in a wheelchair, but I've read almost everything there is to read about WW 2 naval battles, as well as WW 2 land and air battles... My father was at Omaha Beach during Operation Overlord (D-Day) and when I was old enough, he told me many horrifying stories about that battle... Anyway, in the past three decades, social media via TH-cam has made thousands of videos about historic topics that help people learn without having to read books... Most are very good at educating people, some are not. This video has it's share of little mistakes, but overall it's very good and people who know nothing about the sinking and discovery of the Musashi, will learn most of the important facts in about 25 minutes! 👏
Thanks, that's a fair and reasonable comment. I appreciate that. 👍🏻
with that knowledge you realize the communist were the bad guys
@@waterlinestories Very gracious of you sir!
Old , disabled and in a wheelchair.... describes me to a T , history buff as well. Your comment is worthy of any " Historian " thanks for expressing my thoughts as well. Well done Sir 👍. Go Navy 🇺🇲
I always wonder what the Japanese were thinking, to go on a mission like this against the United States. One of the biggest historical blunders of all time.
As soon as i hear the word "unsinkable" I wonder what the GPS coordinates of its wreck are.
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Absolutely same! XD
Judging by how much Musashi wreck is scattered, it’s kinda terrifying how devastated the explosion that destroyed her would have be had it goes up on the surface. I mean, 2/3 of her hull from the base of second turret all the way to the tip of her stern has been basically ripped to pieces.
Even Yamato still has most of her hull (aside from a part where second turret was) but Musashi middle and stern were basically disintegrated.
@@thinaphonpetsiri9907 Wait till you find out what happened to HMS Hood, and the British battlecruisers at Jutland
Well it tumbled down a 4000 ft tall volcano at 20-25 knots….. id imagine that torn it up pretty good after it had a bunch of holes blown in it🤷🏻♂️ “paper tiger” the biggest underestimation in history 🤣
@@92Psycoif you watch the explosion, how did 5(?) survive?
one hundred tons of powder
she got absolutely bombarded by a lot of dive bombers and torpedoes
The Octopus is a truly insane vehicle, not only an ultra-luxury yacht but also a capable deep-sea explorer? Being a billionaire must be nice.
well once at billionare level yoru money makes its own money you just do what ever the fk you want for the rest of ya life just dont leave witnesses if its illegal or be the Saudis and own ya own COuntry and have a trillion dollar trust fund and play the Religious influence mode of Civ Earth 2024.
One of the few billionaires using their money to advance humanity. Can you imagine what this tech can do in the cases of lost aircraft and vessels and deep ocean studies... Can't really criticise Paul Allen like I would musk or bezos.
Ya think, and pay no taxes
@@mwat22just the smallest portion. The portion that would have gone to taxes probably
@@mwat22They must first obtain or secure a permit and authorization with the Phillipine government. You are not supposed to do research in our country's internal territorial waters or sea or even in our Exclusive Economic Zone or EEZ even they have a good and noble aim.amd intention on that undertaking. All countries in the world have their own Maritime Laws under United Nation Convention of Law of the Sea or UNCLOS that they must respected both by it's citizens and foreign guest either you were ordinary citizens or a billionaire. You are not exempted to the rule.😊
Hate that Paul Allens' sister stopped the hunt for these ships after he died. I remember a few years back hearing every few months about different ships they had discovered.
Mushashi is probably too deep to plunder. However, by 2014, HMS Electra and HMS Exeter had been totally removed by illegal scavenging. Battleships HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse had been badly cut up. British, Australian, American and Dutch ships lost in the Battle of Java Sea have met the same fate. With that background, it's no surprise that families of the fallen do not want these wrecks found.
Search for a 2016 article on The Guardian website - "British second world war shipwrecks in Java Sea destroyed by illegal scavenging"
Probably didn't have the money to conntinuue Corey. :)
I reckon she wanted that money for herself. Sad.
Before he died he have a plan to discover the last biggest aircraft carrier ever made in ww2 the Shinano that sunk by a single US Archerfish
@@sloppypotato00 It is surprising how many of the Japanese warships are missing. At last count. Shinano, Kongo, Hiryu, Mikuma, Fuso are all missing despite knowing approximately where they were sunk.
Another brilliant and interesting story. This is becoming one of my weekly "sea fix" go to programs in my retirement. Years ago, I was Navigator aboard the RV Melville AGOR 14. We did an expedition to test a new navy deep water side scan sonar towed system. We searched for the Japanese carriers sunk in the Battle of Midway. Very deep water - much deeper than what the Titanic rests in. Later, another ship went back with a camera ROV to video our findings. The Melville ended her long oceanographic career as the oldest ship in the research fleet. She is now in the Philippines Navy. The autonomous underwater vehicles are changing science and naval warfare. The Manta for example. I would not want to be a sea warrior in future wars. Now a drone waiting on the seafloor can sink a warship.
Amazing. That must have been an incredible experience.
Today your old ship serves the Philippine Navy as the BRP Gregorio Velasquez. Its namesake was a National Scientist of the Philippines, who specialized in Phycology (the study of algae).
@@kristoffermangila Excellent. So glad that a ship that had a long life conducting science research around the globe is still working. I spent 22 years at sea on the Melville AGOR 14, Roger Revelle AGOR 24 and Sally Ride AGOR 28. We did research expeditions in the Philippines and Taiwan with PI scientists aboard on numerous occasions.
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You haven't seen any Galeon ships under our water? They were the first ones to terrorize our ancestors.
Just a heads up! The photo of Robert Craft appears to be incorrect. That Robert Craft is/was an NFL owner.
lol. He’s been busy between NFL and Asian massage parlors
😂😂 I noticed that as well. I was like “WTF.”
Good spot, thought I recognised him. 😂
Maybe he does both
LOL. He’s always wrong about something or other. Very consistent mistakes, but I’m sure he’s passionate. Pobodies nerfect after all.
Great video. I am absolutely obsessed with shipwreck stories of all types. I grew up on Lake Michigan and spent many, many hours on those waters and I think most people are unaware of how terrifying the Great Lakes can be. This is one of my top two or three channels that covers these stories. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, I really appreciate that
It is kind of funny how we think of the Great Lakes as lakes, when in reality they are closer to being seas.
New subscriber here. I am so glad I came across your channel. You are the best presenter I've ever watched on TH-cam. I really like the way you explain certain concepts so that the uninitiated understand everything in your videos.
Thanks. That's the aim. Welcome aboard
Makes my weekend awesome to start it off with Waterline stories
Thanks 👍🏻😀
This was before Paul Allen bought his own ship, the RV Petrel, which went on to do so much more. I would love to hear stories of the other wrecks that were found, especially since most content creators focus more on how those ships were sunk than how they were rediscovered
True and then was bought by the US Navy and fell over in a dry dock last year.
@@thereissomecoolstuff . Typical US naval and military mentality, if it brakes don't worry the government will replace it...
What saddens me most is the crushing of parts of the ship. The massive explosion is a horror but the implosion implies there was air inside, which might have been many people sealed inside water tight compartments. I know death would have been as sudden as in the explosion, with less suffering than other deaths, but it makes me shudder.
Don’t feel bad. Japanese lived to die for the emperor. The mothers raised their kids so they would gladly die for the emperor’s glory. Think kamakaze. They loved to rape and kill civilians. Read the history of the Japanese in China and how they murdered mothers, children, and defenders who surrendered to them. Very sick society.
You just made me think of the few minutes, seconds that some of those trap sailors might have experienced. Knowing that you were going to die and hoping it would be quick...
Most battleships don´t make nice to look at wrecks .
The ammunition going off is one thing but also the closed amored watertight compartments imploding later on , chilling to think about that they had air till the last moment .
Think to get a mostly intact wreck it must have been filling up quick with water
A few hours of R&R on a Sunday afternoon. Time to binge my favorite channel. Have a lovely weekend everyone🌊⛴️⚓️
😀 enjoy
I’ve never stepped foot on an ocean going liner going liner and only saw the ocean once. You explain things so well I can almost feel the water! One of my favorite channels on you tube
You have a great talent! Thanks so much for your time. It shows you clearly spend a lot of time researching and do a wonderful job!
That Robert Kraft is the Patriots NFL team owner😂
As someone who doesn’t who that is or who the Patriots are, I see how could be an easy mistake.
Nothing but the finest sources for these videos !
Like this new thing with the conversions in the corner. Thank you sir. Cuz I'm american so have no idea what the measurements were for me.
I really enjoy this channel. The research and presentation is top notch. Subbed after the Bantry Whiddy disaster. I live to the East of that.
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Super coverage and articulation about Yamato’s sister ship lost right before the amazing underdog victory in Leyte Gulf. Could have been the Yamato instead….
The very interesting and multi-country engaging hobbies someone can pursue with fabulous wealth and special motivation (and regained good health)!
Poor Musashi, never got it's own 'Space Battleship' animé series...
Its because Musashi is Yamato class thats why it would be makes more sense to just make the leading ships class into the anime
My father in law was seriously wounded at Leyte. He fell about 25 feet onto the deck when his ship was hit by a kamikaze zero and ended up in a hospital for almost a year. He lived until he was 87 years old.
From the bottom of my heart thank you for his Service to yours and our country. My family lived in terror from these Japanese greed and Warships. My Uncle is a WW II Vet who fought hard with the Americans. Him and his battalion were never recognized but I remember I used to watch them celebrate July 4 as a holiday in the Philippines we call FilAm friendship day. Technically our independence day from USA. I remember there were protests in the streets to leave that ship where it belongs. Both Philippines and Japanese came into terms to serve that as memorials and hopefully serve a lesson for the next generations. There's more sunken ships around our islands. From the Galeon to WW II to many shipwrecks we have not to mention Don Juan ship that wicked on Christmas eve and cost thousands of lives. Nevertheless we now recognize Japan as big partner in building the economy and infrastructure of our islands. In fact my own kid look exactly Japanese. They built and occupied houses before they use for their comfort women. The most fascinating is my late father in law looks Japanese. He just sit in the kitchen quietly and don't even mingle and talk to us. I told my husband he must be one of those Japanese that decided to stay and lived among us. Just like that Japanese soldier that surrendered 30 years later thinking it's still WW II.
Excellent, thank you. A friend of mine was one of Paul’s engineers on Octopus. He really enjoyed working for him
Must be amazing to work in a yacht like that. 👍🏻
Thank you so very much for producing this content. I am fascinated by WWII, especially naval battles. I find everything you channel produces to be very interesting. Thank you very much. 😊
Thanks 👍🏻
There is a small error at 2:49 that picture shows an agano light cruiser not the musashi (2 turrets forward 1 at the stern and the big plattform in front of the catapult). If it is one of the last moment pictures of the Battle of Leyte gulf it should be the Noshiro. (Musashi was sunk one day before at the first part of the battle of leyte gulf called the battle of the Sibuyan Sea)
it's Yahagi, it's one of the pictures from the Ten-Go operation
Brilliantly done and wonderful to see you cover an historical tale of naval horror rather than your usual fantastic civilian cases. Best wishes. 🇬🇧🙏🇦🇺
Thanks. I wanted to convert the civilian search more so than the naval affairs. 👍🏻
@@waterlinestories and completely understand that which is why I initially subscribed but it doesn’t do any harm to mix it up now and again as this cracking stream illustrates. Best wishes.
Wow, thanks for such an intriguing & well explained docu !
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Ironically, Japan intended for Yamato and Musashi to play pivotal roles in defeating the American fleet (or fighting it to a draw) but both ships spent most of the war in port, escorting convoys or ferrying troops - another example of old admirals preparing for the last war. Kinda sad that they never got to do what they were built for (fortunate of course for the Allies).
Kantai Kessen was always a retarded doctrine that only worked against a handful of Russian Dinghies. It was absolutely asinine to think sinking a few American battleships with those two 71000 ton pigs was going to have any meaningful impact in the war when American industrial capacity allowed them to crap out a new Essex class carrier every 3-5 weeks each one with an aircraft complement capable of sinking a Yamato or Musashi. The US at least gave their BBs an actual AA suite that made them somewhat useful at escorting troop carriers and Fleet carriers. The IJN AA was pathetic by all accounts and second in its ineffectiveness at shooting down airplanes only to the Kriegsmarine. Even if the IJN did get their silly decisive battle, they would still be ground down into dust in a long war of attrition. The US wasn't going to roll over just because they lost a few battleships or carriers that they could replace in the time that it takes a Yamato to get filled up on supplies.
They were obsessed with the idea of a decisive naval battle like they had at Tsushima. It is interesting that they were the first to see the advantage of seaborne airpower, but held to the obsolete notion of major ship to ship sea battles. They expected a short war and got a long slugging match that they did not have the resouces or production capability to endure.
Japanese warfare may have made sense against a country similar to Japan. But the United States, with its nearly unlimited food, fuel and resources was not a country they could have ever bested. I grew up near one of the navy yards where they made a lot of the ships for world war II--the numbers were staggering how many ships they churned out, and that navy yard I mention wasn't even a top port in terms of production. I really wonder what the hell Japan was thinking.
@@stevens1041also United States had the advantage of being isolated. The US did not have enemies close enough to be in danger.
Its because the Admiral which should be on Musashi died on plane crash hes Yamamoto Isoroku
Am I the only one that gets excited when I see this channel drops a vid?
Fantastic video. Good pacing and presentation and no bullshit and no fluff. Also, thank you for putting imperial figures up as I am still not used to meters or kg.
Very good work, look forward to the next release
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Hey, Paul, great story. Love listening to the stories about older ship wrecks than the new stinky ships. 😂😂😂😂
🤣 thanks Beverly.
@waterlinestories Oh Paul, it is most definitely my pleasure. You are my number one site 😉😉
Nice episode. Loving this channel.
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Incorrect picture of Robert Kraft ????
Another excellent video from this channel. The amount of research which must have gone into making this video is staggering. I think it says about the integrity of Mr Allen right from the beginning to treat the site of a war grave. A person with less integrity would have plundered the ship to make a quick profit. I hope the descendants of those people who died may have some closure.
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Absolutely Friggin Awesome
This belongs on the military channel.........
Very Very much RESPECT.......
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That is interesting about the heavy armor sections being riveted. Rivets shear when they fail, whereas welds tend to tear. When welding became practical, it was a game changer, providing many advantages over rivets.
Tell that to the liberty ships!
Subbed and liked. Thanks for the upload!
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Love Mr Kraft,go Pats what a class act, great man
Finally, something well made, and distracting to politics, and war....
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Agree
Wonderfull to know this gave the relatives of the lost sailors some closure.
Sibuyan Islands is right smack dab in the middle of the entire Philippines archipelago. I can only imagine the captain and the crew knew they were being hunted and trying to hold off the inevitable by concealing themselves around as many islands as possible since it would be a dishonor to surrender. They went down fighting in code with their culture. Both terrified and relieved once the hunt was over. May their families find peace with this discovery. Thank you for sharing.
What about the lives of those islanders they terrorize? Sibuyan is close to my island in the Visayas. The sea is where we get our livelihoods and the islands we called Home.
Awesome upload as always.
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Anyone who studied physics even at a basic level knows nothing is unsinkable, but some have a better chance of staying afloat than others
Every ship is sinkable if you try hard enough 😂
It's kind of like the same crap today they try to sell your warranty for something. When the product breaks the warranty doesn't cover it
i mean in theory that isn't true but would the ship be sea worthy like a ship made of closed cell foam isn't likely to physically able to sink capsize yea break apart in light seas but the foam isn't going under also that ice ship they dreamed up in ww2 it couldn't sink break apart and melt yes but not sink but nothing that is unsinkable is practicable
@@Blanks_Ssitrue but look at that German ship that made it back to a German port after the battle of Jutland during the First World War the amount of times that ship was peppered was insane, bismark was another
@@MichaelMason-qt4rw Oouu didn't know about those, guess they survived!
I thought you kept saying the explosion was seen by the Kirishima, which was famously sunk at Guadacanal. After looking over the order of battle, I was mishearing Kiyoshimo.
OMG THANKS FOR COVERING THIS
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What gives a pause to ponder is about another ship Allen's crew found, the Indianapolis. It was returning from bringing the nukes to Tinian when it was torpedoed by the Japanese sub I-58. So, what would have happened if it had been sunk on it's way TO Tinian?
The bomb would of gone down with the ship
The yamoto was a absolutely georgeous battleship!
Hello Niedersachsen 😉! Very interesting video. Have you ever considered making one about the "Medusa" and the raft of the "Medusa"? 👋
Gruß dich, Danke. I'll have to look it up.
Are you also in Niedersachsen?
@@waterlinestoriesNein, Baden-Württemberg. Freu mich über deine Antwort!
In dis documentary, it becomes clear to me, that, in contrary to Yamato, the Mushashi could not be welded. Incredible!!😲
The Yamato, who was also very heavily armoured, could be welded. I have seen and heard this a couple of days ago in a documentary about the Yamato.
Both ship were awesome creations of engineering.
No. It was both Yamato and Musashi that their armor could not be welded together and used rivets instead.
Beautiful ship. May those men rest in peace.
Why is it any time something is considered as big as the Titanic or "Unsinkable", it always ends as a story of Hubris?
You'd THINK someone would learn.
Hopefully the Titan Submersible will be the last, but we all know better........
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Hubris. What an underused word.
@@fatovamingus ...because nobody knows what it means!...i know i don't😅
@@shaunmcclory8117 bitchin
@@shaunmcclory8117 I'm not gonna be the kind of dick commenter that says: "Go Google It", so for possible future commenters, to save you the trip:
Excessive Overconfidence, over the top Pride. Like the prize fighter who overestimates his opponent in the ring to the point of making himself a spectacle, only to get his own lights knocked out about 15 seconds into the first round. Or Bruce J. Ismay. Or Stockton Rush.
Riveting ships was the standard before WW2. Welding ships was mainly developed by the USA for building Liberty ships cheaply and fast.
What a fantasy for someone who hasn't gotten over their first and second childhoods!!!!
Thank you so much for making such good content! This is interesting.
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Rest in peace to all those who fought and died on both sides. It's crazy to think about how much effort and ingenuity goes into the development of war machines and the business of killing ones fellow man. I can only imagine what the dead would have to say about it if they could.
I stumbled across your Contant and I love it. My dad was in World War II. Title said Microsoft yacht that reference to the Microsoft company
The Musashi sank at the Sibuyan Sea here in the Philippines.
This kid misses Paul Allen. He has done a lot for the PNW and the world. Hope he is in a better place.
Great Video, yes, some people from Microsoft are doing good things with their money, for humanity 👍
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Both Japanese giants capture my interest so this vlog is gold
The US ships didn't have their watertight doors closed. Because the doors were open it left the ships highly vulnerable to flooding. The Japanese also used custom bombs far larger (1,763lb converted battleship AP shells) than normally used. Those bombs only sank the Arizona. The rest did damage, but were not fatal.
Freaky. Just this morning I was reading abt Battle of Surigao Strait (25 October 1944)
Surigao Strait is... well, to quote #TheMightyJingles, a paddlin'.
Thank you.. i stand corrected.... i always thought Paul Allen was searching for sunken treasure ships. Specially after finding the wwIi japanese submarine so i giess he was using the mega yacht Octopus for the search
A note of correction, the USN had encountered the Yamato class before 1944, as Yamato was torpedoed by USS Skate, a USN submarine in 1943. The USN did know about the Yamato class to a degree, they just badly underestimated the scale and caliber of the vessels, believing them to carry 15-16 inch main guns when in reality they carried 18.1 inch rifles.
Hola, I love your stories and have been binge watching at times so well done. In this video I am confused. At 03:19, you say 1023 sailors including the Captain went to their watery grave but then you say cerca 1376 survived. Did the sailors die or survive?
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imagine all ship sink in this goofy way as if they lose 100% buoyancy reaching 0 hp, how terrifying.
With that much devistation it is amazing anyone survived
11 wrecks down, only Kongo to do... I wonder if we'll ever find whatever little bits haven't been scrapped of her
Noticed that Musashi and Yamato wrecks look almost identical in relation to damage and placement on the ocean floor. Curious if there was some kind of "self destruct device" on both vessels?
It’s called the ammunition storage of the 46cm guns
That's so great that families can get some closure ❤
HOW DO YOU GET THE OLD PERSONAL VIDEO FOOTAGE THAT YOU SHOW.. LIKE WHEN THEY ARE IN DRAWING ROOMS AND PLANNING?
NICE mate i really like ya stuff. i,ve back watched the lot. n now wait 4 more. cheers.:-). ya animations r as good as ya story telling. but the education on stuff i knew of. but lacked details. mint
😀 thanks mate. I really appreciate that
Now all the sailors can rest at peace. No matter what country a person is from or which side of a battle they are on, their sacrifice deserves to respected, and their families deserve to know what happened to them. There is no better way to honor a fallen sailor.
17:49 - By then, the USN torpedoes were (finally) working!
The survivors of the Musashi cry on the shoulders of those of the Arizona.
Great video, fascinating story
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I hope they survey the shinano sometime - her hull would be mostly intact and she would probably be upright given other carrier wrecks that have been found
The next ship he should search for is the USS Block Island. It is the only US Aircraft Carrier to be sunk in the Atlantic Ocean during World War Two.
One has to say, that is a beautiful warship.
Great video and much thanks to the USN airdales
U.S sold all that scrap iron to build their IJN and sold petro too.
Hope we have learned our lesson. You know, all our factories moving to China in the last 30 years makes you wonder--repeating the same mistake?
funfakt : I worked as a CNC Lathe mechanic for HDW , and I make Parts for the Occtopus. And yes its also "Spyship" ;)
Don't start nuthin, won't be nothin'. Sincerely, the United States Military. Semper Fi. 🇺🇲🇺🇲
All 8 battleships were not sunk at Pearl Harbor. Maryland, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania were only damaged, but not sunk.
You forgot USS Nevada, but she ran aground
@samuelvidrine3548 Running aground still allowed her to sink, just not block the channel.
Closure for the remaining relatives is the best gift. The historical value of the information learned, is second to the closure given to the relatives of those who died. What's going out to 80 years later we're still killing each other over things that don't really seem to matter 80 years later. Yes but then the Japanese accomplish much of what they wanted through economic trade
and might. Birthday extended their global power extensively. And they have recently begun to rebuild their navy. After all we are now telling the world once again for at least next 4 years hopefully beyond we are tired of flipping the bill for their security. One concern might be in the future when they become more strong militarily on their own. Back in the US Navy a second to none.
The overall military might of us military has no comparison Blac Chyna is making a run at it. It's not like mainland China has ever been a friend since the communist has taken over. Bed for my historical point of view this was a fantastic piece of work. Thank you
Would be amazing to bring that film to the surface.
Sir, this is a jewel.
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Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's salvage ship...
Only 5 battleships were sunk at Pearl Harbor, but point well taken.
The story of thar Yamato-class aircraft carrier you briefly mentioned is a wild one, too. Any plans to make a video about it?
The IJN holds the record for building two of yhe largest submarines ever. Yamato and Musashi.
Sou do Brazil país onde tudo é difícil 😂. Mas quero dar os parabéns para o Dr. Paul Allen e seus companheiros que fizeram essa expedição de resgate da História Mundial. Isto foi incrível 😅. Parabéns a todos os amigos que estão no grupo.
17:12 that is the wreck of the sister ship Yamato ,not the Musashi
Miss Paul Allan. Met him at Centurylink field. (now Lumen Field). Octopus is totally unreal yacht
Awesome documentary!
Sooooo the send an ROV to look at some small debris and find the ship? Where was it on the scan? That’s like seeing a crumb on the ground,bending to pick it up and coming back with a loaf of bread.
Multiple videos I have missed, betrayed me TH-cam has
Paul Allen is using his fortune in a way I think would be more gratifying than just buying up companies and whatnot. Getting out of the rat race and launching expeditions.
Unfortunately, Paul Allen passed away on October 15, 2018.
He’s doing it because his late father at the time was involved in the Second World War, so Paul done it to honour his father
Time to find the Shinano!
sounded like one incredible ship who never had a chance.