Destiny 1 vs Destiny 2: Which Exotics were Better?
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Great video! Random question: if Ace was a hunter exotic we had three? Ace, First Curse, and Stillpiercer? Curse might not have been class specific, it's been too long.
Just to clarify no time to explain exotic perk isn’t just slowed or frozen targets in d2 it also counts for precision shots too just like in destiny 1
No thanks.
It’s a predatory game designed to keep kids wasting their parents money.
Great video as usual, nonetheless.
How dare you not bring up zhalou supercell!
Bruh u don't play it 😂😂😂
For NTTE you don't need to slow or freeze targets to get the bullets back lol. It's either headshots OR any bullets hitting slowed or frozen targets that get refunded.
You are correct. I was incorrect. Lol
@@CastleContent all good lol, we all get details incorrect, as long as no one's being an asshole about it 🙏
@@Emorality making acronyms out of absolutely everything is incorrect
@@rebcommando587 True! But No time to explain is commonly referred to as NTTE, I don't wanna have to spell out all that tbh.
Plus, NTTE wasn't even an exotic back then. It was just a legendary pulse called The Stranger's Rifle. So, you could have that, and still have your Gjally, Pocket Infinity, Icebreaker, whatever you wanted to run.
The Red Death was my favorite D1 gun. Seeing it get butchered in the form of the Crimson is heartbreaking
i agree , it was so much cooler in ds1
the worst part is that because they turned it into the crimson, we'll never see the actual red death return
@@g36c. the pain 💔
Used it during the weekend. Literally got mad because I thought this was The Red Death and this is what we got? I didn't see anything wrong with Red Death
Honestly, besides Truth, I feel all of the D1 exotic weapons have either improved or at least stayed on par with their D1 version.
I agree with this statement
yes i too agree d1 weps are d1 weps. besides crimson and risk runner... cause crimson is not red death, fight me. and the zal supercell looks too cool to ever be replaced by riskrunner.
Fr. Anyone who says d1 did better has nostalgia goggles on
@@LearnedSophistry last word ?????
@@LearnedSophistry d1 Hawkmoon had a far better feel, much more fun to use, and far more viable honestly. Hawkmoon now feels blatantly inferior in comparison to other high end HCs.
I miss the red death it just had a great design, the body of an auto rifle frame but had a great design to make it unique
The Red Death meta back in D1 was hella fun
Red Death is without a doubt the cooler take of the two and personally I find Crimsion to be a watered down look for the gun. The opportunity to let a Pulse shine is also missed in D2. Handcannons are so popular and prominent within the community, so did we really need to convert a Pulse Rifle into a n o t h e r Handcannon? Just feels like a bad retcon for what was the original design.
Have you even played crucible lately? Pulse rifles are everywhere, more pulse rifles than hand cannons.
@@223ndog But without a doubt hand cannons are more popular. Since D1 they have been king, autos, pulses, scouts all come and go in strength. HC‘s have always been good
I definitely wish that it was the pulse rifle variant. Crimson isn't bad in the slightest but I just preferred the look and feel of Red Death
Another Red Death fanboy here. I've tried to love Crimson, its just not as cool/fun to use.
Crimson is literally the "we have _____ at home" meme made manifest.
I think destiny 2 exotics feel better tuned and more powerful
But d1 exotics felt a lot more rewarding since we don't get a whole new one for free every season.
They're definitely becoming a lil over saturated and desensitizing with how easy it is to get them now.
I love the exotic color in the boxes more in d1. Gave an exotic feel over something shiny like the yellow today
Honestly the world exotic pool needs a refresh BADLY. We haven't gotten a new world drop exotic in a couple YEARS. While its nice to reliably hunt exotic armor pieces now, I havent been truly excited seeing the yellow engram on the ground in so long tha 9 times out of 10 it immediately just gets sharded.
Not all exotics are made equal some are very east to get like season ones and short quest ones as well but others like raid exotics or super hard quest exotics
@@doomguy.23frommars60 The thing is Bungie is basically taking exotic quests out of the game due to all the negative feedback from the Divinity raid exotic quest and its super annoying puzzles I personally like the idea of some exotics being rewards from quests that range from medium to hard in difficulty I also think they need to add more exotics to the world loot pool or make the lost sector drop rates a bit better seeing as you are required to run the lost sectors solo on an end game difficulty to have a chance of getting them
@@dadecalder7796 Even so, new world drop pieces would be guaranteed drops if you already have all the others. Makes 1 engram cool, but also could just wait for xur
Completey disagree with Thorn because in D1 it was either obnoxious pre-nerf or just another Legendary HC post-nerf(s) with the ways they tried balancing it. Limiting how often you could relive that 2-tap fantasy was the best way they could've tuned it, keeping its power level in check while restoring it to its former, 2-tap glory, if only for 7 seconds at a time.
It feel strange they decided to compare somethings at their prime over how they are now.
and when you wear the necro gloves on your lock!! the gloves make and of the weapons of sorrow more powerful!!!
I don't recall getting the 2 tap kill in D1 or D2, but I did do well with it in D1... and I've never been a top tier player. I still have yet to put it to use in D2.
@@nicomoreno5028 different times in D1 you could, in D2 you can sub 6 resil with the perk active
@@austynh1 Nice. Thanks.
This video really shines light on something that nobody mentions when they complain about "reused" exotics: They tend to get redesigned to a significant degree to fit Destiny 2 and a lot of work goes into them.
Truth
yeah except for a few (jade rabbit, mida multi tool, sleeper stimulant, etc)
True however the hawkmoon is designed the same but has completely different perks because Bungie said they did not want the randomness of the Luck in the Chamber and Holding Aces perks in Destiny 2. In terms of Red Death/Crimson that is not even a rework to tne gun it is taking 1 gun and turning it into a totally different gun (turning a Pulse rifle into a Hand Cannon that feels like a Pulse Rifle) if you are going to do things like this it is not worth bringing the old D1 weapons into D2
You are literally describing perk redesigns and weapon redesigns.
Hawkmoon has to be one of the best exotic perk reworks. It's so nice when you get that 1 shot paracausal shot.
Hawkmoon is trash compared to what it was before.
@@Erowid13 your opinion, but I'd take being rewarded for being accurate over rng bullets any day.
@@Erowid13 I disagree, instead of hoping you would get a high damage bullet like in D1, you can just make it happen yourself by just hitting good shots.
Yeah, I guess that must be why you see Hawkmoon everywhere in the game compared to everyone and their mom using it in D1. Oh wait.
@@Erowid13 hawkmoon is literally better in every way than it was beforr
I feel like D2 exotics are a more "exotic" and have their own uniqueness while most of D1's exotics were a lot more of a "better" legendary weapon with somewhat niche perks slapped on them
I would say the opposite? The perk pool and perk strength on legendaries in D2 makes legendaries feel more special than exotics half the time. Volatile rounds, voltshot, incandescent, ignitions, etc have made almost any gun in the game boring imho
Agreed. Clearly you never played with D1 Icebreaker or Pocket Infinity or even D1 Gjallarhorn. Just to make a few.
@@dexking1 d2 just has way better power fantasy.
@@wazsan “power fantasy” is just a pseudo-intelligent way of saying over powered
@@Triceratronz well that’s just it then 🤷♂️. D2 has way more fun exotics with more “power fantasy”.
The way they did vex in D2 was perfect imo. When it came to D2 it was not great. It wasn't trash but not great. Then they turned it to be very strong but not so broken it made the entire community rage. But it was dominant. There was a trials weekend where it had the most kills by like 1.5 million... Then Bungie slowly tuned it back a tiny bit here and there to leave it very strong but not OP. And honestly I like that's how it was done. They should do that with all raid exotics. Let them be strong for their first 6 months then bring them in line to be strong but not a must have.
Yes but they CHANGED THE SOUND!
Red Death was m main gun in D1, I used it for everything! While I do like Crimson, I just wish I had my baby back. It was just built different
Rewind again returns rounds from ALL precision hits in D2, AND ALL hits against frozen or slowed targets .
Red death just looks cooler, it was one of my first exotics in D1. While crimson is just red death labeled as a hand canon, it’s still the same gun just looks weird. I’d like the pulse rifle back
Touch of Malice's debuf also applies to other weapons of sorrow (Thorn/Osteo Striga). Not the most important point, but added functionality over its D1 version for sure.
While the gun in a Vacuum is better, ToM isn't used unless you are memeing, while it was a viable pick back during Taken King. Has it been changed? Yes, but like everyone else, I'm not touching it, unless I log back into D1
Definitely Destiny 2. Exotics are way more unique and zany than they were in D1.
Just look at Quicksilver Storm, Parasite, Eyes of Tomorrow, or Lorentz Driver.
I still want Zhalo over risk runner
@@Shadow_of_Echos I’m curious, why is that? I mean, I could see it as you just liking autos more, but is there anything more?
@@emberthecatgirl8796 ak bullpup with ring iron sights looks cooler than the riskrunner
@@imafatboy27 not to mention you need no arc damage to proc the chain lightning and it gave free super energy on kills
from the perspective of being a hard counter to 2 tap thorn back in the day and being one of my favorite exotics look, sound, and feel wise it will hold over crimson for me lol.
On a real note asides for the missing range on crimson I would consider it the better weapon overall I guess
No time to explain doesnt require the peeps to be frozen for the round to return to the mag. It’s precision shots work too
Amazing video as always, Castle. I look forward to every one of your videos!!!!!
Red Death's biggest win over Crimson is that Crimson's recoil causes the guns barrel to get into the way of the sights and make it difficult see, which really sucks on PC
Crimson makes sense as a hand cannon looking at it as trying to be different from D1.
absolute banger video today!
Bro this make me sad, I want red death back
Hey, if they bring back First Curse, it has to be a pulse right?
@@cj6498 better be lol
Bro you did it!..all I c for content creators lately is the same this is entertaining and awesome work you put here thank I'm fan of your content 👏
I appreciate it!
Red Death should’ve stayed a pulse rifle with auto rifles body or added the red spectre
Its probably been said here already, but the D1 Red Death was a hybrid weapon as well. It was a modified legendary auto rifle that dropped as a strike exclusive.
Great transition into the ad
subbed on this vid, great video. keep it up!
Thanks!
thorn can do multiple ticks of 7 just by running forerunner and keeping the target marked and can 2 tap just by keeping your redical on the target
Actually Battle runner was a perk on many weapons It was a rare perk yes...but it could definitely roll on legendary guns I had a few back then
You read Rewind Again wrong. It says that Percision shots AND shots against slowed or frozen enemies refund ammo. So if you get Percision kills, you get ammo back.
I never really touched red death In d1 but I instantly recognised the crimson because of that and the crimson is my favourite exotic hand cannon however if they somehow brought red death back I'd definitely would use it
On the touch of malice, the health gain from three kills works differently than how it works in D1. It doesn’t straight up give health back. It just starts the regeneration for it. This can be stopped if you start firing the touch of malice again at 1 bullet or if you take damage. That portion of touch of malice is the only downgrade for it.
This is how it's always worked. A small health bump + starts health regen
Rewind again still works the same way, they just added stasis to said perk. You can land headshots and still have ammo returned.
D1 Suros Regime was my personal favorite weapon in all of Destiny. Crimson/Red Death and Outbreak Prime are a close 2nd
queenbreakers bow in d1 is my fave gun closely followed by hereafter and was super saddened to see queenbreakers be moved to a heavy
God I love the sound of the thorn top 5 video gun noise
Crimson makes no sense as a burst revolver, but the lore for why it's like that is really cool. The guns are canonically the same, but red death/crimson was like a cursed weapon and as users died or lost the gun it would get picked up, and changed over time. It originally was a regular pulse rifle, then was put into the body of an assault rifle, and now a hand cannon.
So what you are saying is that if we wait long enough we will have a three burst healing rocket launcher, nice
@@azzarnthelizard That would be a PvE’rs dream…
D1 mobility also granted sprint speed so that may have contributed to the feel of D1 battle runner on Telesto feeling faster than D2 since we don't have sprint speed on mobility with lightweight
You forgot to mention the rare bug on Vex Mythoclast that made it shoot like a fusion rifle. I believe it shot 3 rounds. There should be still a video on this bug.
Should mentioned The Chaperone loosing its 2nd perk when being brought over to D2
Lightweight grants sprint speed, but it’s separate from mobility
I feel the supercell was just changed to risk runner thought I’d see that in this list
did anyone realize at the end of the vid he had vex mythoclast and whisper of the worm on at the same time?
For red death and crimson, I always felt like they took dregs promise and then added the healing, keeping the look of red death but making it a hand cannon like dregs
Uhh... Dregs promise was a sidearm...
I sometimes miss my old red death, but goddamn i love crimson so much. Its pretty much my go to exotic. I love the healing😂
I would give Vex Mythoclast to D1 because it was an energy weapon in the primary slot which back then was actually a very big deal.
I like the d 2 variants better for all except scarlet, I want my red death back, hand cannons are just not my thing, only thing I prefear from d2 is the acuta reload on kill instead of reload speed
Red Death paired with a Titan running the helmet Empyrean Bellicose which let you hover in place if you ADS for a short time made me a monster in PvP. No one expected a Titan of all things to be dominating the Z axis of combat and the health on kill was Meta! Gods i miss that gun.
where did you find the exact bonus for perks like hawkmoon perk ?
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT UNFLINCHING WAS WHAT MADE RED DEATH RED DEATH
Me and a buddy of mine found out some weapons that are weapons of sorrow actually get a damage buff from the blight idk if this was intentional or not
Red death was my favorite gun from either game
God I remember Thorn in D1. It was a monster. 2 head shots and the user would just abandon the fight and let the burn take care of it. Red Death was the only gun at the time that could actually counter it.
I always felt Hawkmoon's perks worked better in D1 bc it felt like a game of Russian Roulette. It kind of boosted a pretty standard weapon and made it a bit of a gamble which is sort of what I liked about it. In D2, the fact that it's only one shot and it's right at the end of the magazine and you have to get headshots with it doesn't really seem to help in PvP bc either you kill what you're aiming at before you get there or it kills you, so it rarely gets the chance to go off.
Well of radiance + touch of malice = fun
I wish truth would get that level of tracking back tbh. It was so fun to watch happen
Not including riskrunner in this is kinda weird considering it’s Zhalo’s just turned into an SMG
Anyone notice last word is completely missing from this
When will the warlock exotic tier last happen?
No. I miss the 'Red Death' pulse rifle. I didn't like the fact that a hand cannon could shot like a pulse rifle anymore!
11:20 Prometheus laser tag
For Hawkmoon I honestly think it depends on what you used the gun for. Or if you're like me and enjoy the rng gamble.
Such a powerful gun in lore like the last word
Funny watching this post Final Shape reveal since Red Death is returning to D2 next year.
Tbh the sound of Ace in D2 is iconic to me. The sound of Ace in D1 sounds so basic to me while in D2 it sounds amazing and so unique to me
Red death was so fucking cool. That was my favorite pvp exotic
you forgot a weapon, Last word. Point goes to d1 obviously
Ultimate D1 synergy Last Word + the Titan strike specific loot arms.
I love the red death was the first and only exotic I used in D1. Tried using crimson and hoped to love it but it just doesn't hit the same imo. I would love to se it return but that's not gonna happen unless the do something to differentiate the two.
The new Hawkmoon doesn't really feel like Hawkmoon to me. It feels more in line with what I'd expect from a reprisal of the First Curse
What about trespasser, chaperone, outbreak perfected, whisper of the worm and the other guns and armour that have returned?
intro says that the video is only about the changed ones
Man I kinda miss the old Red Death VS Thorn days when Thorn was obnoxiously broken.
Because with any other gun if you managed to out duel a Thorn user there was a fair chance you’d still go down to the poison damage. But not with Red Death that heal after kill spat in the face of Thorn users and their hopes for a cheap trade kill after losing the gun battle. Used to be so satisfying when that happened.
Red Death please that weapon was so awesome
Bring back Truth tracking!! Its whole exotic perk is based around it being a tracking monster. It needs buffed
fantastic content i commend the quality however I would suggest a stylistic shift in thumbnails atm they are v offputting
I want the Khostov back so badly, it wasn't good, but it was fun to have a "modern day" looking gun.
Telesto was in D1?
Didn't even remember because of the huge rep it has gathered over the years in D2
I have never and will never understand why they turned Red Death into a hand cannon. It's just such a confusing decision to me. What was wrong with it being a pulse? What's really any different if it still fires 3 rounds? Essentially nothing has changed in making it a hand cannon, so... Why???
The only one rework I don't like is hawkmoon because it feels like a very different gun from the original counterpart.
Touch of malice debuff also works on thorn c:
I liked Red Death more in Cruicible, it was REALLY strong 3 taps weapon
Personally, I adored red death in D1. But I’m also a huge hand cannon Stan. So when they brought red death to D2 as Crimson I fell in love and the new precision kills reload the mag perk is amazing to me. Overall Crimson had my vote, especially since the catalyst makes it play like a pulse rifle and i love pulses basically as much and hand cannons. But I do agree that D2 is lacking some solid pulse exotics
This might be a bit of a hot take. But I greatly prefer the D1 Ace of Spades over the D2 one
We literally do not get to farm the random rolls on hawkmoon anymore...
Hear me out. We add Red Death to D2 AND add the word "Death" at the end of Crimson so it's Crimson Death. I really loved Red Death in D1 and I want it back
I played destiny 1 since Croats end how did I not know telesto was in destiny 1?
OG truth was the craziest tracking rocket launcher ever
Red death would have been the pvp equivalent of prenerf outbreak perfected in pve
Only thing I’d disagree with is telesto and Thorn.
With Telesto having a definite increase in damage and usefulness. And Thorns perk allowing you to still have that bonus damage after killing someone and getting the orb that increases the damage of the gun.
Yes Thorn was broken in D1 but it was a new gun and had to be reeled back because of how powerful it was.
Did you know that thorn has a catalyst? In the game but never implemented. It would have boosted stability and range stats
Yeah I can agree with them all, especially crimson, "look how they killed my boy" it was my first ever exotic so it's sad to see what they did to it in D2
I miss my Red Death everytime i boot up D2
I want red death back so badly
Heavy grenade launcher tier list for PvP?
You left out Lord of Wolves, Hard Light, Gjallarhorn, Truth, Bad Juju, Queensbreaker, The Chaperone, MIDA, Last Word, Outbreak, Thunderlord, Whisper of Worm (D1 it was Black Spindle), Monte Carlo, Sleeper and Fourth Horseman 🤦
just sayin...
Red death was neutered. I miss it so.
For the love of the traveler Bungie pls bring back the red death, I need it in it's pulse rifle glory
Red Death should of stayed a pulse rifle
I miss No Land Beyond. Just drop the free special ammo gen on headshots and give it something else an you're gucci
I miss how unique and special exotics felt in d1
Also that in D1 you could change the stats. One of the things im not a fan of in D2 where everyone has the same gun and no way to change it up other than Hawkmoon and Dead Man’s.
*Forgetting how most exotics in D1 were utterly useless*
@@brawler5760 exaggeration, to put it mildly… with your logic the same can apply to d2 exotics
I miss d1 Truth. I remember how awesome the tracking was... Man I hope it gets an update since it is strictly worse than any other rocket.
I played d1 pretty often especially taken king, gotta say I do not remember telesto in that game