The Brutal Decline of Noah Syndergaard
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he went from god of thunder to rotation pitcher
I think his height is working against him. Theres nothing wrong with his velocity. Greg Maddaox wishes his average fastball was 92 mph. but he's not keeping any of his pitches down which works well when you can overpower the hitter but 92 mph has to be anywhere but where he is throwing.
Man that Mets lineup with Harvey, Degrom and Syndergaard rose and declined so fast. Sad
Who who and who?
& wheeler
@@jwigs4415zach wheeler is doing okay. Better than the others for sure.
Who was their #5 guy? He was good too if I recall. That rotation was as good as Ive ever seen, too bad Harvey was an alcoholic.
@@axe2grind244 was it Dillon gee?
“Oh goodness that ball had a family” is the best regular season hr call ever
Yes lol
Yeah that made me laugh.
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as a reds fan sadak is an amazing voice. him and barry larkin calling games is better than any reds fan could ask for after the cowboy
And that’s a deep fly ball to left field and that’s a homerun for Castellanos. I consider myself a man of faith. Is the single greatest Reds call of all time. Sorry Reds Brenneman is all anyone remembers about you.
End of one era and the beginning of another. That’s baseball.
Pretty much
That's everything.
Meh pitchers getting hurt and/or flaming out is what baseball is
Mickey Moniak has a 161 ops+ with tye angels this year. .976 ops. He's actually been kind of crazy. The Angels got huge value from Noah in that trade.
Yeah. I’m a Phils fan and I’ll admit we got fleeced. Moniak was always a great player. Last year, he was coming off a bad injury and didn’t play too well, but trading him was a mistake.
@@ihaveaheadache4657 tell your front office thank you from me.
@@ihaveaheadache4657we got marsh…..😊
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@@manjidrift I had to do it. The Noah half year was brilliant. Just to get Mickey Mouse.
Always admired Syndergaard from afar as a Giants fan. Dude was the opposing pitcher in two iconic Giant games - Chris Heston's no-hitter, and the 2016 NL Wild Card game between him and Bumgarner, the latter being an absolute banger pitcher's duel.
Really sucks to see him go out like this. I hope he figures it out again eventually, just not with the Dodgers though lol
We would have loved to be able to help him for the entire offseason instead of just a short eval. His mechanical and physical issues were quite clear and we’re confident he could throw 100 again if he found a plan he would stick to that honed in on these factors.
Good marketing ben
In the first inning he ever threw as a Dodger, he was 2 strikes away from an immaculate inning, and he went 6 innings with just 1 earned run and 6 strikeouts. Ever since then he's been a liability to my team
Most doggers pitcher are garbage, the doggers cant get anybody out, but they can out bat them, that is the only way doggers can win.
Sounds like Ricky Vaughn from major league 2
@@um8440 Have you ever heard of Clayton Kershaw?
Well they should have kept Bauer since they were already paying him 25 million…dudes been elite in Japan after a rough first 3 games (expected after 2 years out of the game)
@@joshuapatrick682I agree with you
I’m a Braves fan, and I had nothing but a healthy amount of respect for his prime. He was fierce. I never like seeing a player decline due to injury. This isn’t the way I wanted to see a competitor go out.
His “prime” was short and as a Braves fan you knew that with him on the Mets his success wouldn’t last long
I remembered walking in the city once and saw him, dude was a mountain of a man and I’ve always been a fan. Really hope he gets his groove back.
As far as the 1 sided trade of Dickey for Syndergaard (and others), Dickey won 59 games after the trade and so far Syndergaard has won 58. And Dickey retired 6 years ago.
I know after the trade Dickey was a league average, middle of the rotation, innings eater but there's certainly value in staying healthy and throwing innings.
That's a really good point. Dickey was an innings-eater, something the Mets's starting rotation lacked. Even Bartolo Colon was not a finisher like Dickey.
"That ball had a family!" That had me rolling!
You know, when he turned down his QO from the Mets at 18 million to go to the Angels I was sad to see him go, but obviously knew he was not the same pitcher. My sadness was, why not stay with the Steve Cohen owned Mets, work with your guys who you’ve known for years, lean on some of our pitchers etc. I think he might have turned things back around if he had of stayed for 3 million less than Anaheim paid him. I think, perhaps we should take a look and see if we can get him back? Maybe pitch out of the BP as a set up man?
Because it's a business and the human body is a product with increasingly diminishing returns. Grow up.
Micky Moniak made the most of his time in LA this year with a .994 OPS in 33 games. Pretty strong.
Not even 30 seconds in and "THAT BALL HAD A _FAMILY_ !!" is sending me
Poor kid.. hope he finds it again! Just saw him and his lady on the Redondo Beach bike path last week of June! As a retired player myself (pitcher), it’s very difficult to reinvent oneself!
One other thing to note is how well he swung the bat. Batted at or above .200 his first 3 seasons and even had some HR power. A moot point in todays game but still added to his reputation as THOR.
As a Cubs fan, I feel bad for him. Tommy John really killed his career. He was the feared pitcher in 2015-2017. I just wonder how he might come back ever since the Phillies needed him during their 2022 World Series run.
"That ball had a family" will forever be one of the best announcer comments I've ever heard. 🤣
Syndergaard's tale teaches an important baseball lesson; physical limitations impact hard throwers more than good pitchers.
He's a thrower not a pitcher, if he wants to continue pitching he needs to learn to be a pitcher instead of being a thrower like his old self..
@@nineteeneightynine432 That's exactly right, and it has been done before, CC Sabathia and Bartolo Colon being two good example.
@@bigtimetimmyjim6486Colon was always a flamethrower, nice attempt though
"That ball had a family." is one of the best home run calls I've ever heard.
Tribe fan here checking him out. Well done
1:55 you put this in on purpose 😂 ngl it made me jump
This is so sad first deGrom and now Syndergaard. 2015 the second half was just amazing and I fell in love with these two players. I just can’t believe how they’ve ended up. I know deGrom has two Cy Young awards and a rookie of the year… But having a second Tommy John surgery I don’t know how he’s going to make it and to find out I was Syndergaard is failing with the Dodgers is just very sad I had high hopes for him this year.
I hope your husband likes him too
Angels traded him for Mickey Moniak who's one of our best hitters right now, feels pretty good
Wild that the Mets had Degrom Syndergaurd and Matt Harvey at the same time
Another upload by made the cut, another great day 😊
Can you make more videos of catchers framing pitches. It's a real art and I can't get enough of it
“Failed Prospect Mickey Moniak” 😂😂😂😂😂💀
That 2015 World Series team arguably had the best starting pitching rotations of all time: Harvey, deGrom, Thor, Matz, Colon how they lost the fall classic still baffles me
The royals were coming off a WS loss and came back stronger. Wish the series at least didn’t end in a lopsided game 5.
For starters, the offense wasn't good enough. After his crazy feats in the NLDS and NCLS, Daniel Murphy was nowhere to be found. Cespedes only hit 2 home runs in October and both were in the NLDS against the Dodgers. The Royals pitching staff that year was good enough, but not exactly dominant. The best offensive player for the Mets that World Series was Curtis Granderson. Conforto had his moment in Game 4 and the team had a good output in Game 3, but for what they had, the offense really underperformed
And then of course, there was another theme that has plagued the Mets for years and years now: their inability to hold on to leads in the late innings. While he puled up alot of saves that year, Familia is no Edwin Diaz and him taking the mound in the 9th made fans more nervous than anything, and he never could just shut the door that World Series. Defense failed them as well. Murphy and Duda both made crucial errors in the late innings. The Royals took advantage of that and with the Mets somewhat lackluster offense, they simply stayed patients until the game was in the hands of the bullpen before they started to go off
@@milestone380 Daniel Murphy disappeared in the World Series
My theory has always been his max effort Velo caused his injuries mainly the Torn UCL which accelerated his decline
the guy said ‘I would give up my hypothetical first born son to be the old me again’ … sums up everything u need to know about his career 😬
It's easy to give up something you don't have.
A fireballer throws his arm out, tries to come back and no longer has his old stuff, and gets constantly shelled. Stop me if you've heard this story before.
It always blows my mind almost like we need a case study when i see players like Syndergaard and DeGrom who were the most dominant pictures we saw in some years just completely losing their powers. It's happened to a few pitchers in the past 5 to 10 years
Yeah, it's called injuries
Notice how it's the crazy speed throwers always dying out early. There's a reason no one throws a slider 95 mph, it pushes the human body's limits and eventually they break. As a Detroit fan, Joel Zumaya was amazing but 103+ is not normal and all it took was guitar hero to ruin it. The faster it is, the shorter the career
Lmao Joel zumaya had the craziest injuries
Yeah Ben Joyce is already injured lmao
Guys like Seaver knew how to pitch and when to turn it up. That’s why they lasted. These guys want to strut with every pitch over 100mph. They throw hard, but they are not pitchers. There is all physical, zero mental with these guys.
I really feel bad for him you can tell he’s frustrated with himself in his post game interviews
Man has never pitched 200+ innings in a season. Should’ve converted him to a reliever.
We Angels fans are extremely satisfied with Syndergaards time with us since he turned into Mickey Moniak haha
His fastball is still averaging 93-95. It's crazy how Kershaw went through a rough stretch when he lost his velocity on his fastball, but he still adjusted. Now he's more dominating than ever at times, I don't get how Noah can't seem to manage with a fastball that averages around 94, that's still good enough to get guys out. His secondary pitches must really suck .
A big issue for him is that while his fastball dipped in velo, his change up didn't. So he throws a 93 MPH fastball with like a 90-91 change up, which...doesn't change anything up, lol
I hope he can bounce back, always been a fan of his. Yeah his velocity isn't going to come back because of injuries and age catching up but at least he knows that and is trying to adapt accordingly. I think once he gets his pitch arsenal sorted and a few reps with said arsenal he could make a recovery.
Kinda crazy how quickly that 2015 Mets pitching staff fell apart after how great they were as a unit that year. Only one still going at a relatively high level is DeGrom, who is at times the best pitcher in baseball, but he just can’t stay on the field
His chances of ever being successful again depend entirely on him being able to learn how to move and place his pitches. So many guys now can throw it 96+, but once that velo comes down over the years or towards the end of a season, they don't have much to go with it.
Well as a Cleveland fan this quite the encouraging video. 🤦♂️
Been waiting for this one
I remember when that Big 4 of Sydergaard, DeGrom, Matz and Harvey all arrived, I told my fellow Mets fan that idk how we can keep all of them financially and if I had to pick two, I would take Syndergaard and Matz, bc Thor had seemingly limitless potential and Matz had what looked like top lefty stuff which is hard to find. Years later, both are struggling to stay relevant, as is Harvey. It’s really sad to see
I remember when he came back and said he put on 15 lbs of muscle after an injury and thought to myself "he's gonna get injured". First start, tore his lat lol. Guy needs to realize strength isn't what he needed, pliability was/is.
I think Syndergaard and even Harvey and deGrom are perfect examples to young pitchers today that just because u can throw 100, doesn't mean you should. The harder you try to throw, the greater chance your mechanics are gonna be a tick off, and you're also giving the ball less time to move, which equates to a poorly located flat pitch, in Syndergaards case, his sinker. In Harvey and deGroms case, constant nagging injuries. Very few sinkerballers maintain consistency throwing it 99 mph. Pedro was a 4 seam guy but the same principle applies. Pedro would hover around 93-95 then if he got in a jam he'd suddenly be at 97 when he needed it. That's the difference between a pitcher and a thrower. People remember the couple times Chapman hit 105. Ppl don't remember that each time the ball was nowhere near the zone. That's one of the aspects of pitching metrics I hate. Teaching young kids to empty the tank in 5 innings and throw at 100% each time. You have 16 yr olds getting TJ surgery on a ligament not even fully developed yet.
Mickey has actually come around and is batting over .300 this season, Angels definitely won that trade.
As a Dodgers fan he’s painful to watch
Guys who rely on their pitch speed too much will always see this happen. The hotter the flame, the quicker it burns out.
Makes me kinda glad that the angels traded him at the deadline and at least got some value and avoided this
I started watching this a while ago, now my guardians traded for him and it hits different 😢
Just another example of why long term multi million contracts are stupid
Just want to mention, last year he pitched in a 6-man rotation with the Angels. Once he was traded to the Phillies he faced only bottom 5 teams (Wshx3, Cinx2, Miax2, Pit, SF).
Big credit to his agent deserves more
Angels fleeced the Phillies, Mickey Moniak has been an amazing player for the Angels this year!
It worked out. We have Marsh from you guys now, who's easily our best CF since Victorino. Mickey had too much pressure here being a number 1 overall pick. He needed a change of scenery. Same could be said for Marsh, I think.
@@GatsbyCioffiyeah I’d say the deadline trades between the angels and phils were a win-win
The best ones learn how to adapt when their velo declines. Developing the secondary pitches young is beyond pivotal.
He brought Moniak to Angels!!!
That's something.
You make great content
Seems a little premature. The dominant syndergard is certainly gone for good. But a pitcher that can hold a ~4 era is still a huge asset. He was awesome for the Phillies especially in the playoffs. I think he can figure it out and stay in the league.
“Then failed prospect Mickey moniak” let’s slow the roll on that haha
Can you make a video on Rich Harden? No one has made a video on him. I feel like he could have been one of the most dominant RHP of the 00s and 10s had he not been injured so much and no one talks about him.
He will always be a Mets legend after that high and tight fastball in The World Series! " 60 feet 6 inches"
“THAT BALL HAD A FAMILY!” 😭😭
The most troubling thing about Syndergaard is after he got rocked he said something about giving up his hypothetical first born to be the pitcher he used to be. He needs to realize that isn't going to happen and how to pitch, not just hurl. Either that or he's gonna get DFA'd
The human body was not designed to throw 100mph continuously. What happened to the 90mph fastball that one could throw for 20 seasons?
"That ball had a family" 😂
LOVE The Brutal Decline of Noah Syndergaard. Didn't that win the Palm D'or Indie Award at Cannes?
I remember the wild card game when Noah was taken out of the game and I said, big mistake.
The Giants were hanging on by a thread- they were not playing great baseball at that time and I believed the Mets had a better chance at winning. Unfortunately, the removal of Noah from the game made it all go down hill.
It really is puzzling to see a pitcher like Noah lose what he had. He used to throw 🔥 I can't say it is age because I don't believe he is too old to keep playing. Whatever brought him to the point of shot mechanics, may be fixable if he can get help and figures it out.
Ironic how after 2015 game 5, Matt Harvey was doomed for good after, and in the 2016 wild card, Noah was doomed for it seems.
@@MikeNapoli1989 Matt Harvey played for the Mets for five seasons and then bounced around. That is what happens when a pitcher does not accept his mechanics are shot. Jacob Degrom having Tommy John surgery, and numerous stints on the injured list, may be the end for him. He is thirty- four years old, and by the time he heals, and is able to play again, he will be thirty-six. Noah has done a bit of bouncing around. I think he is done, but it sure would be nice to be wrong. Even though he is not with the Mets anymore, I like him and would like to see him work the kinks out of what is troubling him.
You could say Thor lost his hammer
I was a huge fan of Noah when he was a Met. I felt bad that every year, there was always talk of him getting traded. That probably has an effect on you as a player. Still I wasn’t a fan of the trash talking he did about the Mets afterwards. It was enough that I don’t particularly care about his career downturn right now. But there was a time when he was the man. Although I always maintained that deGrom was the true Ace because of his talent and quiet demeanor.
Man, Alek Manoah so thankful theres a starting pitcher worse than he is that isn’t named Lance Lynn this year
Is it just me or are the pirates on literally every players highlight montage
great video
There's a very good reason why you don't throw 95 mph sliders...
This reminds me of Tim Lincecum. Being overused while he’s throwing fire. It’s sad to see.
Can Cleveland fix another pitcher??? We shall see 👀
Let's have a Brutal Decline of Mike Trout video!
All these Mets star pitchers just hit rock bottom, Harvey, Noah, Degrom (cant stay healthy). Being a Mets fan for decades I heard all the nicknames for these guys, however this video is the first time I ever heard Noah called "Synderella"
I had to stop at 4:25. That's NOT a pitcher. Thor is just throwing the ball. His form is whacky. Maybe I'm just spoiled with TB/Momentum basically giving away free "How to be a Pitcher" videos but god damn.
they should try him out of the bullpen, maybe even closer. if nothing else it would be awesome for "Thor" to come out to AC/DC's Thunderstruck. if that doesn't get his confidence going, nothing will.
Cleveland got 1.9 million in cash on this deal . I am betting that was the whole point of the trade .
That was just to bring what they owed him down to what they owed Rosario.
@@abyz1467 I get that but Cleveland is always cash strapped . Instead of coming up with the cash to pay someone they got it from LA and put it in their pocket .
@@mafia_dave32 fair.
Math is hard is t it Dave?
Zero sum nothing to pocket
I still remember we acquired Noah and when we didn’t bring him back, Mets love to disappoint.
Letting him leave and having him still pitching poorly is a disappointment ?
And do we think he is done for good? Is he really so old he can’t come out of this? I get it if he is hurt he can’t do it but I do think he might be able to work his way out of it if he could have been healthy
So he's basically the poor mans Madison Bumgarner. Dominated the Royals in the World Series, got injured, signed with another team for a lot of money and then got released for not living up to hype.
Little insider info here…Syndergaards UCL had been showing signs of issues since 2014
As a Mets fan I find this sad. My daughter is a huge Syndergaard fan. When she was 5 he signed a ball for her down at Port St. Lucie. I hope he can find his way again.
It's the hair, he looks re gawd damn diculous.
It's synful how much he has declined. Must be the devil's work.
When DeGrom and Noah played together I always thought Noah would go on to have a better career. Man was I wrong
Thor and Luis Severino are very similar, they were flamethrowers with awesome sliders. Now both look lost.
Injuries injuries and more injuries.
Honestly, I hope the Mets give him another chance. We need starting pitching lol
wtf was that ad placement
Then he gave deGrom the Injury Bug….not really, Jacob just throws way too hard.
Somehow I blame that cameo he had in Game of Thrones lol
Thor, degrom, Harvey, wheeler, matz all have the same problem in common they played for the Mets. All have had major injuries and with the exception of degrom never lived up to the hype.
Those power sliders destroy the elbow.
Would love to see a video like this on Corey Kluber
Old age just caught up with him
2019 is such a bizarre year thanks to bobby of course. In terms of overall numbers, for anybody, 2019 and 2020 should be universally ignored
Mets really had 4 studs and all of them are absolutely cooked.
Edit. Well, three. Zach Wheeler is still REALLY good.
Just another Met who should have stayed humble. another meatrag Mets arm that became a pinball machine.
That ball flew so far it should have had meal service.