I have the P30 SK but I have a bigger hammer on my version. I have the non LEM version. I have a safety lever on my version. I also have a decocker on the rear next to the hammer.
First of all, I love your contact please continue doing again. I have over 100 guns any wish custom expensive 2011 and I was shocked at how much length 30 SKLEM. So much so that I went to Langdon and bought a P30 LEM with an optic. The biggest surprises for me or how much I like the finger grooves on the grip and the curved trigger. I highly suggest anybody who has the opportunity to shoot one of these LEM triggers to do so.
I’ve owned the VP9SK for about 5 years or so. I bought it for two reasons: first, I have other HKs in my collection (P2000V3 and the 45C), they are quality firearms for sure and second , I did not like the trigger on my Walther PPQM2. The PPQ trigger was too light for my preferences. The VP9SK is very accurate, and with the range of magazines available, it is one of the most versatile carry guns I own. Your comment about carrying a gun with a fully cocked striker was a bit of an attention getter for me. While I appreciate all the features of the VP9SK there is always that nagging thought in the back of my mind that this gun requires 100% of your attention (as they all do) while carrying it especially while re-holstering. Training issues notwithstanding, I always approach carrying the VP9SK with a lot more caution than I do with my Colt Defender or even my HK45C. Your video just reinforced that point.
Couldn't agree with you more regarding single action striker fired pistol's. I believe that's why we are seeing so many AD's in law enforcement and civilians with the sig 320's , there isn't even a trigger safety/dingus on it,.. yeah the trigger is sweet but way too light for people while under stress. Aleast the H&K has a trigger safety built into it. I'm a Glock fan and have carried one for 24 yrs in LE. Most shooters don't realize the glock is a double/action striker fired pistol extremely safe to carry or drop while chambered. Keep up the great reviews sir..
Thanks for watching and commenting. And thank you for your service to your community. Point of clarification: Glock was careful to not market their pistols as "double action", instead, they used the term "safe action". The striker is approximately 85% cocked with a 5 pound +/- trigger pull and there is no second strike capability, thus not actually double action.
@@RidersRange yes sir you are correct!! Glock explained it to us going through the armorers course ,they stated the 85% precock wasn’t enough to reliably detonate the primer. I don’t know and wouldn’t want to test the theory. Thanks for your awesome reviews and service sir.
@@DavidMilesMusicFor one thing there is a Striker Control Device made by Langdon Tactical for Glocks. It allows someone to thumb the “hammer” in this case the back of the Glock slide and lock the striker while holstering.
I have both the H&K P30SK & H&K VP9SK. I carry the P30SK during the day and the VP9SK at night with a light (either a Streamlight TLR 7A or Olight Baldr Mini With Green Laser Combo). I have no problem carrying a DA/SA (i.e., P30SK) pistol with decocker and no safety. For many years, I carried either a Glock 26 or Glock 19. However, the adjustable grip panels (sides and back) allow me to adjust each firearm to fit my hand vey well, and I have no problem shooting very accurately with the 10 round magazine (flat plate) which only allows me to grip the firearm with three fingers and the little finger being wrapped beneath the magazine. Either of these pistols makes a very good carry pistol, and I have never had a misfire with either (635 rounds fired in the VP9SK and 375 rounds fired in the P30SK). My preferred carry round is either Speer Gold Dot 124 +P or Winchester PDX1 Defender 124 +P. Additionally, I have found Federal Hydra-Shock and Federal HST to be good carry rounds.
I don’t have any experience with the HK P30 SK but I love my VP9 SK LE version. I carry it with the 13 round mag and it is a laser beam in my hands. My only experience with the LEM trigger is with my P30L. I have a little north of 500 rounds through it and just starting to get a feel for it. Definitely a different experience but I’m starting to like it. Thank you very much for another informative and well done video.
The explanation I have heard is that the extra hardware in the hammer fired system creates a higher bore axis and adds weight versus the striker fired gun. The rear decocker on the standard P30 DA is stiff and awkward for me. Though I haven't shot one, the LEM trigger seems to be an excellent combination of ease of fire and safety in an AIWB hammer fired pistol.
I really like my P30SK V1 (LEM). It’s my main CCW. I had a VP9 but sold it to a friend. Turned around and bought a P30L V3. Now we’re talking! Good video, thanks.
"THUMBS UP" Your video was very informative and I agree with everything you said. I have a VP9Sk and a P30SK LEM. The truth is, I shoot the VP9SK faster and a little more accurate than the P30SK. The LEM trigger does take time to get familiar with. I shoot mine just fine. I would feel comfortable if it was the only gun I owned. I would like to get the P30SK in SA/Da. However, I prefer the ole USP COMPACT SA/DA. You will find that the trigger is superior and as far as size, the USP COMPACT is the exact same as a VP9SK with the 13rd magazine. I also feel the USP COMPACT is more reliable than the VP9SK.
Thanks for that demonstration of the LEM action. I finally understand how it works now!...................AAAAAAAAAaaaaaand I'm still going with the DA/SA decocker only variant. I like the increased safety of the heavy DA trigger pull.
I have a VP9SK as my home defense/backup carry pistol. It's a wonderful pistol and, of the guns that I own, my favorite to shoot. And I agree that it has one of the best striker fired triggers out there.
Just bought a new P30sk!! Looking forward to getting a VP9 one day just to experience the trigger everyone raves about. Went with the P30sk first simply because I'm new to CCW, and a hammer gun gives more piece of mind when re holstering.
The VP9SK has a great trigger, but the gun is 100% cocked. The LEM trigger, thought not as "nice", at least is safer than carrying a fully cocked gun that doesn't have a safety. Thanks for watching.
@Rider's-Range I have no safety concerns with carrying +1 in all my striker handguns. Quality holster that guards the trigger, training, and trigger discipline.
Do you notice any difference in the recoil impulse between the two, given that the P30 has a "taller" (and presumably heavier) slide and higher bore axis?
I disagree with you regarding the trigger. I own the P30L and SK and think the stock trigger is atrocious, especially in comparison to my Canik Elite Combat and Walther PPQ. I got the Gray Guns trigger kits installed in both guns and the triggers suck 40% less (true statistic) and shooting enjoyment has increased by a comparable number.
I have been thinking about a trigger upgrade for the P30, but remember, this one has the HK LEM trigger, not the usual P30 trigger. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The striker guns most times have a firing in safety or a striker block which is deactivated by the trigger bar when pulled. I was going to the same thing and did switch from an x macro ( because I'm not trusting sigs striker guns.). to a p30 and I'm now contemplating going back to the Stryker just because I can't get used to the LEM trigger, and miss having an optic.
Modern revolvers also have a hammer/firing pin block that keeps the firing pin away from the primer unless the trigger is pulled, but I doubt anyone would carry a cocked revolver, even though they are fine carrying a fully cocked semi-auto with a light trigger. Yes, I know there are literally millions of folks who safely carry fully cocked striker-fired pistols every day without incident. Partially cocked pistols, such as the Glock (no, I'm not a Glock fanboy) are a little more safe than fully cocked pistols, such as the VP9 series. Thanks for watching.
I love HK!!!! Just listen to how the two different firearms sound when you rack them. So precise and fine tuned...music to my ears. That does it, I'm going to the range. Later!
It's still a tough decision. The LEM trigger on the P30SK takes some getting used to, but considering the VP9SK is 100% cocked (with no safety), it makes for a great trigger. Thanks for watching.
Have a P-30S V3 that I put in a Gray Guns SRS and Lazy Wolf 11 pound main spring; made the trigger feel night and day. Because of this I bought P-30SK V1 LEM today to go with my P-2000 LEM and USP Compact LEM. Will install a Gray Guns SRS and Lazy Wolf 11 pound main spring on all three soon.I also have a VP-9 and the trigger feels great, but prefer my P-30S with add ons
I had first bought a P30 due to the HK reviews I saw on TH-cam and love the look, feel, ergos and how well made the P30 was built but when shooting it, man was I having a hard time due to the bad trigger. Months later, bought a VP9 and sold my P30. VP9 is almost perfect due to I prefer 4lbs triggers. I also bought the VP9L kit and gun got even better. I would like a P30L with the Gray Guns trigger job but paying $700 + for a P30L and another $350 for the trigger work is something I'm not quite sold on just yet.
My first experience with HK was a P2000 - bought it used, and immediately(next day) sold it back to the person I bought it from. Next was P30 DA/SA w decocker. Tried to like it but my skills weren’t there to shoot consistently tight groups with it. Sold it… then I got into the VP9, and I couldn’t believe how easy it was to be accurate with. I dove deep into the P30 LEM and bought three of each(3 P30 LEM, and 3 P30SK LEM), which I usually do to any firearm that I love. Just in case the world falls apart, I want to have my favorite things secured. I know, I have a sickness… anyway, I did love the P30 series, but I just loved the VP9 series more, so I no longer own any P30 series pistols. VP9 remains as just about my favorite pistol of all time. Went through severe CZ phases to, but have come to the conclusion that for DA/SA the Sig P229 series it it for me, preferably German frames. Love P320 series. Love 1911s. Back to carrying Glock after 4 years of carrying the P365.
I had the P30 SK once in DA/SA. It is a very well made firearm, but it felt just too thick in width. I wish firearm manufacturers would create a SA Hellcat size hammer fired pistol. CZ, HK and SA would be great if they did that.
@Romans 6two3, if you are looking for a hammer-fired pistol about the size of the Hellcat, take a look at the S&W CSX. I liked it enough when I did my tabletop review that I ended up buying it.
Nice video. I appreciate your perspective on the triggers. Given your 1911 background, have you considered the HK P30sks? That pistol has a safety and could can be used cocked and locked, allowing you to stay with your normal manual of arms
Grayguns can shorten the reset and allow you to shoot the LEM trigger faster. HK also sells a shorter and more flush slide stop/release (though it's pricey). It would basically give you the slide stop of the P2000SK (which doesn't come back as far to avoid riding it).
Great video! have been considering which to get for a while now. I shot the vp9sk a few months ago and fell in love with it but I just can't see myself carrying a gun without a safety.
I'm a 1911 guy, so I really appreciate a manual safety. However, I wouldn't hesitate to carry the P30SK with the LEM trigger, as the trigger is more like a quality revolver.
I like hammer-fired pistols and I like the LEM trigger on the P30, but I'd have to spend a LOT of time with it to be as proficient with it as I am with too many other guns.
@@RidersRange I was deadly accurate with my 1911 pistols, but sold all of them except one. Same with Glocks. Deadly at 25 yards, but only have one left (Yvonne still has hers). Edited to Add: 🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼
As a lefty and a novice pistol shooter, I love the VP9. The extra length of the trigger guard makes it easier to slide my finger on the trigger, and the slide release and the paddle mag release make it faster (for me) to reload. I hope it's never necessary to have those functions but it's always better to have it and not need it than the alternative. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Good video comparison! Seems like every video I watch about these two guns people seem to prefer one or the other for different reasons I guess it’s all personal preference as expected. I have both striker fired handguns and DA/SA guns and I really can’t decide which one I want to get next lol guess I’ll just have to shoot both and find out I just wish I could find some more HK’s locally. One thing I’ve noticed about another difference is the VP9 has a deeper undercut behind the grip so it seems like you should be able to get your hand up higher on the grip than the P30 so that might naturally lend itself to be a faster more accurate shooter as well.
Nice comparison video. I bought a P30 LEM years ago for the reason of having the advantages of DA/SA without the trigger transition. It felt great great dry firing, but it gave me some nasty trigger slap for some reason while shooting. After a few mags, my trigger finger was rather sore. Because of this, the gun has been a $900 paper weight for me.
I haven't had that issue with the trigger, but I just haven't been able to really get good with that LEM trigger, as much as I like the concept. But if I gave up my Staccato......
That's BS, I have the P30 SK double/single action along with other people I know and there is no problem with accidental shootings and I was with the NYPD for 32 years, so honestly I don't think you know what your talking about. The problems we had was when we went from the S&W Model 10 to the Glock
@SG-hh9lu, I'm sure that you believe you are 100% correct and there has never been an untended second shot with a DA/SA gun and that the cases I am familiar with are all just figments of my imagination. But there is actually a world outside New York. Anyway, thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange , no not 100% correct but close to it, the cases your talking about probably happened with an inexperienced shooter, just like 99% of the so called experts on TH-cam never even pulled a gun in self defense let alone shot someone
Before I switched over to 1911s I carried HK LEM pistols. Had them all. P30s, USPs, and HK45s and shot them really well. When that was all I was shooting, I shot them well. When I started shooting SAO, I found that I didn’t shoot the LEMs as well anymore and eventually moved them all along to new homes.
Thanks for the comparison! I have a full size vp9 and have really enjoyed shooting it for the past 5+ years. I rarely carry it due to its size, however, I almost always grab the LCPII due to comfort and convenience. I'm starting to look for something with a bit more power and capacity so naturally I have looked at the VP9SK since I'm very familiar with that platform. The hammer fired LEM trigger of the P30 is intriguing though - it actually seems very similarly to the LCP trigger which also pulls the hammer back with the trigger pull. I'm also looking at the sig P365 which seems to have the size advantage. Tough choice!
Everything about a defensive firearm is a compromise. You just have to keep shopping until you find the gun that is perfect for you. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for another well done video. I have always been intrigued by the HK models but have a slight preference for other brands. I too have always found it a little unnerving carrying a fully cocked striker with no external safety. Do you know if all striker fired pistols are "fully cocked"? If other brands are "pre-cocked" or "half-cocked" are they any safer?
@Steve Stone, thanks for watching and commenting. HK, Canik, Kimber (R7 Mako and EVO, but not the Solo) and many other striker-fired pistols are about 100% cocked. Glocks are somewhere around 85% cocked. Kahr pistols (and I believe the Kimber Solo) aren't cocked, hence the longer double-action-style trigger pull. I carried a Glock of one model or another for 28 years without incident and even carried a G27 inside the waistband and in an ankle holster on occasion and never felt uncomfortable, but I was extremely careful when holstering and only carried in a quality holster. Millions of folks carry all manner of striker-fired pistols safely, but after carrying a 1911 with thumb safety and grip safety for the past 10 years, I'll have to admit I wouldn't carry any striker-fired pistol in the appendix position.
That's from my calibrated Wheeler trigger gauge. I'm fine with a 3.5 pound trigger on a 1911, but I agree that it's a little light for a gun that doesn't have a manual safety.
I don't own the P2000SK, so I can't talk about how it shoots. As to size, the P2000SK is almost identical to the P30SK and VP9SK. There is a website called handgunhero.com that gives you a side-by-side look at whatever guns you want to compare, as well as all size statistics.
The flat side panels are not as perfect feeling as a P30SK or VP9SK. The side panels on both of the latter come with 3 size choices and 3 back strap sizes. So there are many size choices between left, right and back. The P30SK with the LEM trigger is the way to go. LEM may be the worst possible choice of words. Think Geissele SSA-E trigger as it kinda feels like it.
Hi there. I must take exception to your description of a striker fired pistol as "fully cocked" at all times. The striker (or firing pin if you prefer) is in the forward uncocked position BEHIND a striker block safety until you start to pull the trigger rearward. The striker begins to become cocked only when the trigger is pulled to the rear. The act of moving the trigger to the rear is what cocks the striker. The striker block safety is also raised out of the way by the pulling of the trigger to the rear. These 2 actions happen simultaneously.
Peter, thanks for watching and commenting. You are correct about the striker block, which is present in virtually all striker-fired pistols, but you are not correct about the striker not being cocked. The VP9 series has a very visible striker and when the slide is racked you will clearly see the red end of the striker in the fully cocked position under full spring tension. As you press the trigger, you will notice that the striker doesn't move rearward any more than it is before pulling the trigger. So, sorry to burst your bubble, but it is 100% cocked, with no user-operable manual safety. The TH-cam channel "Si vis pacem , para bellum" has a great cut-away action of the VP9 and starting at 0:25 in the video and again at 2:35, you can clearly see that the striker is fully cocked under spring tension until it is released by the trigger mechanism.
@@RidersRange You are right about the VP9. I stand corrected. My statement was based on the Glock design, which I’m most familiar with and who’s striker is cocked by the action of pulling the trigger to the rear. I wrongly assumed that all striker pistols functioned the same. Thanks for educating me. Keep pumping out the videos 👍
@@petergozinya6122 Peter. Sorry to have to intrude here and yet again correct you on the Glock design as well. If you look at Glock cutaways you can clearly see the striker is retracted 99.9 % of the way. The striker gets pulled back only 1 or maybe 2 millimeters as you pull the trigger. The Glock striker is fully ready to be slingshot forward at all times when the slide is in the racked position. The striker pin block does have to be moved out of the way simultaneously as the striker is being released in the back all at the same time. But the Glock most definitely does not do any substantial "cocking" of the striker during trigger pull. It's only a tiny hair movement back as the fully cocked striker is simply being released. I handled one of this cutaway Glock 23s in a store when I was getting familiar with their safety mechanisms for carry. The armorer who changed my sights was very gracious with his time in his explanations and hands-on demonstration of the Glock trigger action mechanism. It's all I carry now and love them. Just thought I'd point you to look at the mechanism a little closer in action.
I have a P365XL but wanted something a little larger for carrying in my car. I think I like then Sig 320C for that. I also have a VP9 LEM Tactical and a HK45. Still think the Sig would be a better fit for car carry. Thanks for your review. It was helpful.
USA sigs are trash. Had a brand new p229R in 357 sig. Extractor broke in less than 500 rounds. That’s what happens when you compromise parts. Unlike H&K No compromise.
Less graphics, no intro needed, this isn’t TV; we knew what we were clicking on. You might want to come out from behind the fixed camera and start with an explanation of what will be in the video and why… talk slower and pause on occasion.
@@RidersRange I have no opinion regarding the original comment but I actually really appreciate that you responded to this post like this. Don’t see that too often these days.
At first glance, yes, and they do take the same magazines. But there are many differences in dimensions and don't necessarily fit the same holsters. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I don't own a striker fired handgun. Fully cocked striker fired guns with no external safeties are range guns not carry guns! If I did buy a striker fired gun, I would require a usable external safety - like the P320 military sidearm. As for negligent discharges, I have heard of "GLOCK leg"; but, I have never heard of "DA/SA leg". The only reason that striker fired pistols are so popular is that most shooters do not want to put in the range time to develop the superior discipline needed to effectively shoot DA/SA guns. Also, if a DA/SA gun is poorly designed, the DA trigger reach can be too far for smaller hands. Do yourself a favor. Try to see if you can get used to the H&K LEM trigger. The superior safety of the design is well worth the effort!
All good points. Millions of folks carry striker-fired pistols without any issues and I carried a Glock on duty for 24 years (and off duty for the final 10 years on the job). But there are enough documented incidents to make me reconsider. Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
Let me help you. The distance between the barrel and guide rod is because one is hammer fired and the other is striker. Hammer fired requires more distance between the barrel and guide rod because of the higher bore axis
Thanks for watching and commenting. The difference between barrel/guid rod is 0.06", hardly enough to make a meaningful difference. Also, the base of the pic-rail on the P30 is thicker than the same area on the VP9SK.
For me I would take the P30 but I would take a Walther PDP and the Beretta px4 storm over it and even a Glock for that matter not only are they not comparable to the Walther and the Beretta there below if you want a HK get the USP!🧠🤯🔫
Here's a quote from the HKPro Forum: "There is no LEM kit for the P30 nor is it an approved conversion. This means that you have to source the parts separately AND it will void your pistol's warranty."
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I have the P30 SK but I have a bigger hammer on my version. I have the non LEM version.
I have a safety lever on my version.
I also have a decocker on the rear next to the hammer.
First of all, I love your contact please continue doing again. I have over 100 guns any wish custom expensive 2011 and I was shocked at how much length 30 SKLEM. So much so that I went to Langdon and bought a P30 LEM with an optic. The biggest surprises for me or how much I like the finger grooves on the grip and the curved trigger. I highly suggest anybody who has the opportunity to shoot one of these LEM triggers to do so.
Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
I’ve owned the VP9SK for about 5 years or so. I bought it for two reasons: first, I have other HKs in my collection (P2000V3 and the 45C), they are quality firearms for sure and second , I did not like the trigger on my Walther PPQM2. The PPQ trigger was too light for my preferences. The VP9SK is very accurate, and with the range of magazines available, it is one of the most versatile carry guns I own. Your comment about carrying a gun with a fully cocked striker was a bit of an attention getter for me. While I appreciate all the features of the VP9SK there is always that nagging thought in the back of my mind that this gun requires 100% of your attention (as they all do) while carrying it especially while re-holstering. Training issues notwithstanding, I always approach carrying the VP9SK with a lot more caution than I do with my Colt Defender or even my HK45C. Your video just reinforced that point.
Thank you for watching and for adding your thoughts.
Couldn't agree with you more regarding single action striker fired pistol's. I believe that's why we are seeing so many AD's in law enforcement and civilians with the sig 320's , there isn't even a trigger safety/dingus on it,.. yeah the trigger is sweet but way too light for people while under stress. Aleast the H&K has a trigger safety built into it. I'm a Glock fan and have carried one for 24 yrs in LE. Most shooters don't realize the glock is a double/action striker fired pistol extremely safe to carry or drop while chambered. Keep up the great reviews sir..
Thanks for watching and commenting. And thank you for your service to your community. Point of clarification: Glock was careful to not market their pistols as "double action", instead, they used the term "safe action". The striker is approximately 85% cocked with a 5 pound +/- trigger pull and there is no second strike capability, thus not actually double action.
@@RidersRange yes sir you are correct!! Glock explained it to us going through the armorers course ,they stated the 85% precock wasn’t enough to reliably detonate the primer. I don’t know and wouldn’t want to test the theory. Thanks for your awesome reviews and service sir.
How is glock any safer than any other striker fire pistol.
@@DavidMilesMusicFor one thing there is a Striker Control Device made by Langdon Tactical for Glocks. It allows someone to thumb the “hammer” in this case the back of the Glock slide and lock the striker while holstering.
I have both the H&K P30SK & H&K VP9SK. I carry the P30SK during the day and the VP9SK at night with a light (either a Streamlight TLR 7A or Olight Baldr Mini With Green Laser Combo). I have no problem carrying a DA/SA (i.e., P30SK) pistol with decocker and no safety. For many years, I carried either a Glock 26 or Glock 19. However, the adjustable grip panels (sides and back) allow me to adjust each firearm to fit my hand vey well, and I have no problem shooting very accurately with the 10 round magazine (flat plate) which only allows me to grip the firearm with three fingers and the little finger being wrapped beneath the magazine. Either of these pistols makes a very good carry pistol, and I have never had a misfire with either (635 rounds fired in the VP9SK and 375 rounds fired in the P30SK). My preferred carry round is either Speer Gold Dot 124 +P or Winchester PDX1 Defender 124 +P. Additionally, I have found Federal Hydra-Shock and Federal HST to be good carry rounds.
Have you been able to compare the p30sk with p365xl or such at all?
I don’t have any experience with the HK P30 SK but I love my VP9 SK LE version. I carry it with the 13 round mag and it is a laser beam in my hands. My only experience with the LEM trigger is with my P30L. I have a little north of 500 rounds through it and just starting to get a feel for it. Definitely a different experience but I’m starting to like it. Thank you very much for another informative and well done video.
As always, thank you for watching and commenting.
Both are great.
I love them both!!!💖😉🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 Do you have the P30L? I prefer the "LEM" TRIGGER!!! 😃👍
I do not have the P30L - yet. And I'm still working with the LEM trigger, but not enough to really get use to it. (Too many different guns to test.)
The explanation I have heard is that the extra hardware in the hammer fired system creates a higher bore axis and adds weight versus the striker fired gun. The rear decocker on the standard P30 DA is stiff and awkward for me. Though I haven't shot one, the LEM trigger seems to be an excellent combination of ease of fire and safety in an AIWB hammer fired pistol.
Good explanation. Thanks for watching and adding the info.
I have both pistols and you can’t go wrong with either one
Have you compared these to any of the other more modern striker fire pistols? Like p365 or shield? Im trying to decide atm
@@DavidMilesMusic I’ve had the 365 and also the shield plus. Didn’t keep either of them. I get bored quickly and trade them off
I really like my P30SK V1 (LEM). It’s my main CCW. I had a VP9 but sold it to a friend. Turned around and bought a P30L V3. Now we’re talking! Good video, thanks.
Thanks for watching.
The Gray Guns short reset trigger kit for the P30 is amazing. Simple to install, or have installed.
I was surprised to see that Grayguns has one for the LEM trigger. Out of stock, but I'm on the wait-list. Thanks for the info.
"THUMBS UP" Your video was very informative and I agree with everything you said. I have a VP9Sk and a P30SK LEM. The truth is, I shoot the VP9SK faster and a little more accurate than the P30SK. The LEM trigger does take time to get familiar with. I shoot mine just fine. I would feel comfortable if it was the only gun I owned. I would like to get the P30SK in SA/Da.
However, I prefer the ole USP COMPACT SA/DA. You will find that the trigger is superior and as far as size, the USP COMPACT is the exact same as a VP9SK with the 13rd magazine. I also feel the USP COMPACT is more reliable than the VP9SK.
Thank you for watching and adding your thoughts.
Thanks for that demonstration of the LEM action. I finally understand how it works now!...................AAAAAAAAAaaaaaand I'm still going with the DA/SA decocker only variant. I like the increased safety of the heavy DA trigger pull.
2 pros to the VP9 is the trigger and number of holster options from top manufacturers.
Great trigger, but it is 100% cocked. And true about holsters.
I have a VP9SK as my home defense/backup carry pistol. It's a wonderful pistol and, of the guns that I own, my favorite to shoot. And I agree that it has one of the best striker fired triggers out there.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
The LEM trigger is indeed 100% cocked despite the appearance of the hammer being down. There’s an internal cocking piece that is cocked.
But without the inertia of the hammer striking the firing pin, there is less change of an inadvertent discharge.
Just bought a new P30sk!! Looking forward to getting a VP9 one day just to experience the trigger everyone raves about. Went with the P30sk first simply because I'm new to CCW, and a hammer gun gives more piece of mind when re holstering.
I agree that a hammer is more reassuring than a striker-fired gun, considering that many (most) striker guns are 100% cocked - without a safety.
I had the P30SK V1 LEM, and I still have the VP9SK. I prefer the striker fired trigger feel.
The VP9SK has a great trigger, but the gun is 100% cocked. The LEM trigger, thought not as "nice", at least is safer than carrying a fully cocked gun that doesn't have a safety. Thanks for watching.
@Rider's-Range I have no safety concerns with carrying +1 in all my striker handguns. Quality holster that guards the trigger, training, and trigger discipline.
with respect to others but the hkp30sk has no comparison
After carrying and shooting each gun for a while, I prefer the P30 with the LEM trigger over the VP9SK. Thanks for watching.
How about the v3 without the lem trigger?
Do you notice any difference in the recoil impulse between the two, given that the P30 has a "taller" (and presumably heavier) slide and higher bore axis?
Even shooting them side-by-side, I didn't notice any difference.
Nicely done! Love the VP9 SK! Incredible hand fit and control.
I disagree with you regarding the trigger. I own the P30L and SK and think the stock trigger is atrocious, especially in comparison to my Canik Elite Combat and Walther PPQ.
I got the Gray Guns trigger kits installed in both guns and the triggers suck 40% less (true statistic) and shooting enjoyment has increased by a comparable number.
I have been thinking about a trigger upgrade for the P30, but remember, this one has the HK LEM trigger, not the usual P30 trigger. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I have the P30sk with Lem, and a gray guns short reset kit. It makes a world of difference. You won't regret it.
The striker guns most times have a firing in safety or a striker block which is deactivated by the trigger bar when pulled.
I was going to the same thing and did switch from an x macro ( because I'm not trusting sigs striker guns.). to a p30 and I'm now contemplating going back to the Stryker just because I can't get used to the LEM trigger, and miss having an optic.
Modern revolvers also have a hammer/firing pin block that keeps the firing pin away from the primer unless the trigger is pulled, but I doubt anyone would carry a cocked revolver, even though they are fine carrying a fully cocked semi-auto with a light trigger. Yes, I know there are literally millions of folks who safely carry fully cocked striker-fired pistols every day without incident. Partially cocked pistols, such as the Glock (no, I'm not a Glock fanboy) are a little more safe than fully cocked pistols, such as the VP9 series. Thanks for watching.
What about da/są version?
hk is the best i have p365 glock pro hk is the best
Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
I love HK!!!! Just listen to how the two different firearms sound when you rack them. So precise and fine tuned...music to my ears. That does it, I'm going to the range. Later!
I own both and can easily say the VP9sk is better.
It's still a tough decision. The LEM trigger on the P30SK takes some getting used to, but considering the VP9SK is 100% cocked (with no safety), it makes for a great trigger. Thanks for watching.
Have a P-30S V3 that I put in a Gray Guns SRS and Lazy Wolf 11 pound main spring; made the trigger feel night and day. Because of this I bought P-30SK V1 LEM today to go with my P-2000 LEM and USP Compact LEM. Will install a Gray Guns SRS and Lazy Wolf 11 pound main spring on all three soon.I also have a VP-9 and the trigger feels great, but prefer my P-30S with add ons
What kind of camera is on your hat?
Polaroid XS100i.
I had first bought a P30 due to the HK reviews I saw on TH-cam and love the look, feel, ergos and how well made the P30 was built but when shooting it, man was I having a hard time due to the bad trigger. Months later, bought a VP9 and sold my P30. VP9 is almost perfect due to I prefer 4lbs triggers. I also bought the VP9L kit and gun got even better. I would like a P30L with the Gray Guns trigger job but paying $700 + for a P30L and another $350 for the trigger work is something I'm not quite sold on just yet.
I hear you. As long as the VP9 works for you, there's probably no need to add the P30 to the inventory.
Own several versions of each. Love them all.
My first experience with HK was a P2000 - bought it used, and immediately(next day) sold it back to the person I bought it from. Next was P30 DA/SA w decocker. Tried to like it but my skills weren’t there to shoot consistently tight groups with it. Sold it… then I got into the VP9, and I couldn’t believe how easy it was to be accurate with. I dove deep into the P30 LEM and bought three of each(3 P30 LEM, and 3 P30SK LEM), which I usually do to any firearm that I love. Just in case the world falls apart, I want to have my favorite things secured. I know, I have a sickness… anyway, I did love the P30 series, but I just loved the VP9 series more, so I no longer own any P30 series pistols. VP9 remains as just about my favorite pistol of all time. Went through severe CZ phases to, but have come to the conclusion that for DA/SA the Sig P229 series it it for me, preferably German frames. Love P320 series. Love 1911s. Back to carrying Glock after 4 years of carrying the P365.
@The11, it sounds like you've been around the block with a variety of pistols. Thanks for watching and adding your experience.
I had the P30 SK once in DA/SA. It is a very well made firearm, but it felt just too thick in width. I wish firearm manufacturers would create a SA Hellcat size hammer fired pistol. CZ, HK and SA would be great if they did that.
@Romans 6two3, if you are looking for a hammer-fired pistol about the size of the Hellcat, take a look at the S&W CSX. I liked it enough when I did my tabletop review that I ended up buying it.
Definitely will consider getting a VP9SK
Thanks for watching.
Im looking to buy the vp9 sk optic ready this weekend.
Good choice.
Which Sticcato Pistol model do you carry? CCW?
I carry the Staccato C DUO with a Swampfox Sentinel red dot.
Nice video. I appreciate your perspective on the triggers. Given your 1911 background, have you considered the HK P30sks? That pistol has a safety and could can be used cocked and locked, allowing you to stay with your normal manual of arms
I've looked at the P30 options, but my gun money is pretty tight right now. Thanks for watching.
Grayguns can shorten the reset and allow you to shoot the LEM trigger faster. HK also sells a shorter and more flush slide stop/release (though it's pricey). It would basically give you the slide stop of the P2000SK (which doesn't come back as far to avoid riding it).
Good info. Thanks.
Great video! have been considering which to get for a while now. I shot the vp9sk a few months ago and fell in love with it but I just can't see myself carrying a gun without a safety.
I'm a 1911 guy, so I really appreciate a manual safety. However, I wouldn't hesitate to carry the P30SK with the LEM trigger, as the trigger is more like a quality revolver.
I'd like to have it all with concealed carry gun license!
Thank you for watching.
Very Nice and Great Shooting! I’d take the hammer fired model. 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I like hammer-fired pistols and I like the LEM trigger on the P30, but I'd have to spend a LOT of time with it to be as proficient with it as I am with too many other guns.
@@RidersRange I was deadly accurate with my 1911 pistols, but sold all of them except one. Same with Glocks. Deadly at 25 yards, but only have one left (Yvonne still has hers). Edited to Add: 🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼🤷🏼
Good comparison Rider , can I say ambedexrea three times , I don't think I can even spell it right 👍
I don't know why I struggled with that word in this video. Maybe too much coffee that morning. As always, thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange I think it's just a hard word for most of us lol.
As a lefty and a novice pistol shooter, I love the VP9. The extra length of the trigger guard makes it easier to slide my finger on the trigger, and the slide release and the paddle mag release make it faster (for me) to reload. I hope it's never necessary to have those functions but it's always better to have it and not need it than the alternative. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Love the range clips
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Had me till you said VP9 was a striker fired. No interest in another striker fired pistol
To each their own. Thanks for watching.
So get the p30. Do we still have you?
Good video comparison! Seems like every video I watch about these two guns people seem to prefer one or the other for different reasons I guess it’s all personal preference as expected. I have both striker fired handguns and DA/SA guns and I really can’t decide which one I want to get next lol guess I’ll just have to shoot both and find out I just wish I could find some more HK’s locally. One thing I’ve noticed about another difference is the VP9 has a deeper undercut behind the grip so it seems like you should be able to get your hand up higher on the grip than the P30 so that might naturally lend itself to be a faster more accurate shooter as well.
Thank you for watching and adding your thoughts.
Nice comparison video. I bought a P30 LEM years ago for the reason of having the advantages of DA/SA without the trigger transition. It felt great great dry firing, but it gave me some nasty trigger slap for some reason while shooting. After a few mags, my trigger finger was rather sore. Because of this, the gun has been a $900 paper weight for me.
I haven't had that issue with the trigger, but I just haven't been able to really get good with that LEM trigger, as much as I like the concept. But if I gave up my Staccato......
That's BS, I have the P30 SK double/single action along with other people I know and there is no problem with accidental shootings and I was with the NYPD for 32 years, so honestly I don't think you know what your talking about. The problems we had was when we went from the S&W Model 10 to the Glock
@SG-hh9lu, I'm sure that you believe you are 100% correct and there has never been an untended second shot with a DA/SA gun and that the cases I am familiar with are all just figments of my imagination. But there is actually a world outside New York. Anyway, thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange , no not 100% correct but close to it, the cases your talking about probably happened with an inexperienced shooter, just like 99% of the so called experts on TH-cam never even pulled a gun in self defense let alone shot someone
Before I switched over to 1911s I carried HK LEM pistols. Had them all. P30s, USPs, and HK45s and shot them really well. When that was all I was shooting, I shot them well. When I started shooting SAO, I found that I didn’t shoot the LEMs as well anymore and eventually moved them all along to new homes.
The LEM is a great idea, but as you found out, it does take some time exclusively on that platform. Thanks for watching.
Great video rider!I agree with you on hammer fired vs Stryker fired.both my hk’s have the decocker.
@roy yates, thanks again for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the comparison! I have a full size vp9 and have really enjoyed shooting it for the past 5+ years. I rarely carry it due to its size, however, I almost always grab the LCPII due to comfort and convenience. I'm starting to look for something with a bit more power and capacity so naturally I have looked at the VP9SK since I'm very familiar with that platform. The hammer fired LEM trigger of the P30 is intriguing though - it actually seems very similarly to the LCP trigger which also pulls the hammer back with the trigger pull. I'm also looking at the sig P365 which seems to have the size advantage. Tough choice!
Everything about a defensive firearm is a compromise. You just have to keep shopping until you find the gun that is perfect for you. Thanks for watching.
Did you decide in the end? I also am choosing
@@DavidMilesMusic Ended up choosing the P365XL. Great gun!
Thanks for another well done video. I have always been intrigued by the HK models but have a slight preference for other brands. I too have always found it a little unnerving carrying a fully cocked striker with no external safety. Do you know if all striker fired pistols are "fully cocked"? If other brands are "pre-cocked" or "half-cocked" are they any safer?
@Steve Stone, thanks for watching and commenting. HK, Canik, Kimber (R7 Mako and EVO, but not the Solo) and many other striker-fired pistols are about 100% cocked. Glocks are somewhere around 85% cocked. Kahr pistols (and I believe the Kimber Solo) aren't cocked, hence the longer double-action-style trigger pull. I carried a Glock of one model or another for 28 years without incident and even carried a G27 inside the waistband and in an ankle holster on occasion and never felt uncomfortable, but I was extremely careful when holstering and only carried in a quality holster. Millions of folks carry all manner of striker-fired pistols safely, but after carrying a 1911 with thumb safety and grip safety for the past 10 years, I'll have to admit I wouldn't carry any striker-fired pistol in the appendix position.
@@RidersRange Thanks Rider. I value your opinion. Keep up the good work.
3 lb. 7 oz. striker fired trigger? That's a little too light in my opinion. Are you sure that's right?
That's from my calibrated Wheeler trigger gauge. I'm fine with a 3.5 pound trigger on a 1911, but I agree that it's a little light for a gun that doesn't have a manual safety.
What about P2000sk? Same size as these two? I want to know which shoots softer? I don't like striker fire triggers with gloves.
I don't own the P2000SK, so I can't talk about how it shoots. As to size, the P2000SK is almost identical to the P30SK and VP9SK. There is a website called handgunhero.com that gives you a side-by-side look at whatever guns you want to compare, as well as all size statistics.
@@RidersRange Which one of yours has less recoil the hammer fired or striker? Thanks for info.
The flat side panels are not as perfect feeling as a P30SK or VP9SK. The side panels on both of the latter come with 3 size choices and 3 back strap sizes. So there are many size choices between left, right and back. The P30SK with the LEM trigger is the way to go. LEM may be the worst possible choice of words. Think Geissele SSA-E trigger as it kinda feels like it.
@@nhwnhw02 Thank you.
Enjoyed your review a lot coz I’m considering one of em to add to my collection..
Thank you for watching.
Hi there. I must take exception to your description of a striker fired pistol as "fully cocked" at all times. The striker (or firing pin if you prefer) is in the forward uncocked position BEHIND a striker block safety until you start to pull the trigger rearward. The striker begins to become cocked only when the trigger is pulled to the rear. The act of moving the trigger to the rear is what cocks the striker. The striker block safety is also raised out of the way by the pulling of the trigger to the rear. These 2 actions happen simultaneously.
Peter, thanks for watching and commenting. You are correct about the striker block, which is present in virtually all striker-fired pistols, but you are not correct about the striker not being cocked. The VP9 series has a very visible striker and when the slide is racked you will clearly see the red end of the striker in the fully cocked position under full spring tension. As you press the trigger, you will notice that the striker doesn't move rearward any more than it is before pulling the trigger. So, sorry to burst your bubble, but it is 100% cocked, with no user-operable manual safety. The TH-cam channel "Si vis pacem , para bellum" has a great cut-away action of the VP9 and starting at 0:25 in the video and again at 2:35, you can clearly see that the striker is fully cocked under spring tension until it is released by the trigger mechanism.
@@RidersRange You are right about the VP9.
I stand corrected. My statement was based on the Glock design, which I’m most familiar with and who’s striker is cocked by the action of pulling the trigger to the rear. I wrongly assumed that all striker pistols functioned the same. Thanks for educating me. Keep pumping out the videos 👍
@@petergozinya6122 Peter. Sorry to have to intrude here and yet again correct you on the Glock design as well. If you look at Glock cutaways you can clearly see the striker is retracted 99.9 % of the way. The striker gets pulled back only 1 or maybe 2 millimeters as you pull the trigger. The Glock striker is fully ready to be slingshot forward at all times when the slide is in the racked position.
The striker pin block does have to be moved out of the way simultaneously as the striker is being released in the back all at the same time. But the Glock most definitely does not do any substantial "cocking" of the striker during trigger pull. It's only a tiny hair movement back as the fully cocked striker is simply being released.
I handled one of this cutaway Glock 23s in a store when I was getting familiar with their safety mechanisms for carry. The armorer who changed my sights was very gracious with his time in his explanations and hands-on demonstration of the Glock trigger action mechanism.
It's all I carry now and love them. Just thought I'd point you to look at the mechanism a little closer in action.
Hk p30 lem with GrayGuns is epic
Thanks for watching and adding that info.
Nice comparison and thoughts
As always, thank you for watching.
I have a P365XL but wanted something a little larger for carrying in my car. I think I like then Sig 320C for that. I also have a VP9 LEM Tactical and a HK45. Still think the Sig would be a better fit for car carry. Thanks for your review. It was helpful.
If you are use to the P365XL, you will probably like the P320 - maybe even more than HK pistols.
USA sigs are trash. Had a brand new p229R in 357 sig. Extractor broke in less than 500 rounds. That’s what happens when you compromise parts. Unlike H&K No compromise.
I am trying to decide between a p30sk and a p365xl, whats your opinion if you could only have one?
@@DavidMilesMusic Sig has a history of defects. HK by comparison is more reliable.
Less graphics, no intro needed, this isn’t TV; we knew what we were clicking on. You might want to come out from behind the fixed camera and start with an explanation of what will be in the video and why… talk slower and pause on occasion.
@John Christopher, you raise good points. I sincerely appreciate the constructive feedback. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@RidersRange I have no opinion regarding the original comment but I actually really appreciate that you responded to this post like this. Don’t see that too often these days.
thank you for the video.
Thanks for watching.
I may purchase the VP9SK. I'm thinking about it. Good video!
Thank you for watching.
Get the optics ready model that way you don't have to buy the full size vp9. I wish the vp9 sk optics ready was available when I bought the full size
@@jimmysmith3255I just picked up the vp9 sk optics ready, it’s pretty sweet the stock sights are really awesome IMO also
how much was the vp9sk?
I paid just under $700 for mine.
@@RidersRange that's an awesome deal. I just picked up the vp9sk optic ready based on this review. a little over $800. very happy with it.
@@RidersRange I found a p30sk for under 700 but the vp9sk I couldn’t find it under 800
I got my p2000sk lem in .40 for less than 500 shipped with C5L viridian and custom holster
They look practically the same
At first glance, yes, and they do take the same magazines. But there are many differences in dimensions and don't necessarily fit the same holsters. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I don't own a striker fired handgun.
Fully cocked striker fired guns with no external safeties are range guns not carry guns!
If I did buy a striker fired gun, I would require a usable external safety - like the P320 military sidearm.
As for negligent discharges, I have heard of "GLOCK leg"; but, I have never heard of "DA/SA leg".
The only reason that striker fired pistols are so popular is that most shooters do not want to put
in the range time to develop the superior discipline needed to effectively shoot DA/SA guns.
Also, if a DA/SA gun is poorly designed, the DA trigger reach can be too far for smaller hands.
Do yourself a favor. Try to see if you can get used to the H&K LEM trigger.
The superior safety of the design is well worth the effort!
All good points. Millions of folks carry striker-fired pistols without any issues and I carried a Glock on duty for 24 years (and off duty for the final 10 years on the job). But there are enough documented incidents to make me reconsider. Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
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Trigger on the VP9 looks like garbage.
Hmmm.....looks are subjective. But the VP9 trigger is one of the better striker-fired triggers on the market. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Let me help you. The distance between the barrel and guide rod is because one is hammer fired and the other is striker. Hammer fired requires more distance between the barrel and guide rod because of the higher bore axis
Thanks for watching and commenting. The difference between barrel/guid rod is 0.06", hardly enough to make a meaningful difference. Also, the base of the pic-rail on the P30 is thicker than the same area on the VP9SK.
For me I would take the P30 but I would take a Walther PDP and the Beretta px4 storm over it and even a Glock for that matter not only are they not comparable to the Walther and the Beretta there below if you want a HK get the USP!🧠🤯🔫
Thank you for watching and adding your thoughts.
Can you get LEM trigger after purchase ?
Here's a quote from the HKPro Forum: "There is no LEM kit for the P30 nor is it an approved conversion. This means that you have to source the parts separately AND it will void your pistol's warranty."