Did anyone else start crying at 9:50 when Elisabeth Schwarzkopf demonstrated with her still amazing voice? So beautiful. I learn so much from her, even though she is long gone.
Well I din cry exactly but it is great to see how how well she could demonstrate in '87. Yes, absolutely, it is quite poss to learn from these recorded m'classes of Chevalier ES. The pupil here is of c opening the jaw much too much
A student of mine translated a bit more of the German. Here are some take aways: A few takeaways: - she is often asking the singer to "give more" or "much more" but still wants it "small," "gathered/concentrated" - a lot of the people in the comments are trying to summarize the advice by saying she wants the singer to sing "in the mask" or less dark but if you watch and listen to the whole thing you see a pattern and her advice changes with the music. The lowest notes in chest need to be "broad" and "bright" and pretty forward in order to carry over an orchestra. The middle voice needs to be felt "in the mask" near the nose and where the sound "m" is made. The high notes need to be high up "in the head, in the bells, in the skull"--less forward and less frontal than the singer's habit. In general the singer opens her mouth too wide for all of this, while a smaller opening allows her to access this more concentrated placement more often throughout her range. - "you have to give more" in the middle range when singing with orchestra - "...and that doesn't mean mean louder, it means more concentrated." - the "e" sound comes directly from the "m" before it, the same place - opening the mouth too wide loses that concentration - as the melody goes more into the middle voice, the "mask" is more important -- she doesn't want it too forward or too far back--she describes it as "where an M would be" - "matt" needs to be small for more concentration, and staying in that small place for what follows keeps it. - the "bright a" needs to be smaller to work. - as the melody goes higher it needs to go "into the head, into the bells" -- not broad or forward but up into the skull - as the melody goes into chest voice it needs to be brighter to be heard over the strings.
She is absolutely brilliant. Reminds me of my undergrad voice teacher, Martha Lipton. Tough as nails and exacting, but knew her stuff so well. That is what I believe made them world class singers. The attention to detail is amazing!
Masterpiece of teaching how to sing. Singing out of the mask. Articulation, singing, word and music en detail. Have heard Schwarzkopf several times with these „Four last songs“. Maximum of a voice could do. Will die for this.
Wow! Even after retirement Schwartzkopf had much the same voice as when she was still singing. And I love Strauss's four last songs -- Schwartzkopf is often cited as being the ultimate interpreter of Strauss. So wonderful to see her passing on her knowledge and experience to the next generation, the now world famous Miranda Van Klingeren being a case in point.
Because she was fit with a strong back. No reason why as a sop she shouldn't be able to sing beautifully a phrase or two and indeed a complete song. Be thankful you are not a baritone who according to tradition will usually have to retire at 63 yrs( tho' yes, some have not had to- and we know more as the years have passed about how to get over the reasons why usually our voice has been found lacking after this sort of age)
Its crazy if you think that she is 75 here and still has so much energy and most of all - still a beautiful voice! At that age?! An amazing singing ability. It shows she really had the right technique.
Mme. Schwarzkopf is very exacting, but that's what makes an experience with her so valuable. This singer has a hooded sound that she was taught. Inside the head of the singer it is misleading, suggests more resonance than is actually being produced. Here she's being largely coaxed to reverse this and sing in "the mask" but muscle memory is very hard to change.
themotownboy1 right. Especially at age 71. The shimmering high Gs on “Sommer lächelt” are very impressive, as is the steadiness of her voice. No wobble in this voice. At ALL.
Check by yourself: say 'a' by 'usual' lips and by lips open to the front like Schwarzkopf did at (10:58). You'll be surprised how much volume your voice have!
Frau Schwarzkopf unterrichtet exzellent. Es ist bemerkenswert wie sich der Klang und Stimmsitz bei der Sängerin unter den Anweisungen verbessert und die sowieso schon sehr schöne Stimme an Klangschönheit gewinnt. Besonders berührend finde ich den Moment wo Elisabeth Schwarzkopf zusammen mit Miranda van Kralingen die Stelle singt. Man kann viel lernen von diesem Unterricht. Danke.
Such attention to detail; I think she lived in her own world a made her own rules but I often noticed that her focus was always on diction and the exact sound to create her interpretation, if it made her face look ugly that didn’t matter, whatever mouth or jaw shape was best for sound came first. Nowadays they all seem to show their big shiny veneers all the time and make acting faces, the vocal suffers. So even if you think she was a tough teacher the detail and attention is intense and her pupils all seem to respond. Yes, I know time changes and modern ideas are different, but not necessarily better !
Er was een conservatorium student waarvan ze toen zei: "Es ist toch erschrecklich was von die Conservatorium kommt...." Dat vond ik niet kunnen....arme jongen...
Mit über 70 zeigt Schwarzkopf ihre Stimme noch jung und präsent in den wenigen Beispielen, die sie bringt. Egal was man von ihrem Unterrichtstil und Gesangstil halten mag. Fantastischer Klang, aber man versteht leider nix.
Nein, Frau Scharzkopf war das night. Kate Bush war besser. Ihre Stimme war reiner und hatte eine große Reichweite. Aber Popmusik wird in der klassischen Welt nicht erkannt. Nur Leute in der klassischen Musik können etwas Gutes tun ....
Sie hat aber auch nie den Fehler gemacht, ihre Stimme zu vergewaltigen und ein für sie unpassendes Repertoire zu singen, wie z.B. die schweren Verdipartien.
I would never want to sing after one of her Masterclass. Too much facial reveal of not satisfied with the person singing. Oh yi yi yi. But she is still a favorite of mine!
Well, nasty doesn’t seem like the right word. She had one way that worked for her and some of her students, and she really wanted them to imitate her exactly. I heard this from a reliable source who worked closely with a student of hers.
The poor girl is a bag of nerves. Why doesn't Schwarzcopf let her complete a phrase and then look back over it rather than hectoring relentlessly throughout? Imagine if you were a student carpenter trying to carve out a dovetail joint, and your apprentice master was standing over you screeching "No! Not like that, like this! Faster! Slower! To the right, to the left!". You'd make a complete mess of it. Hopeless teacher.
Doch, sie wurde sehr bekannt, auch international. Sie sang große Rollen in Opernhäusern auf der ganzen Welt, erhielt den Diamond Tulip Award von José Carreras, und vieles mehr!
Für 72 ist die Schwarzkopf noch erstaunlich fit. Ob das das Singen und die Atmung war? Und sie hat auch keine dickes Vibrato, wie man das oft bei alten Sängerinnen hört.
Bitte nicht nachmachen Leute, die Frau hat extrem verfärbt gesungen. Ihr Gesichtskirmes und das Maskensingen macht es noch schlimmer. Brustimme ist praktisch nicht vorhanden, bei beiden nicht. 12:21
...genau meine Meinung !!! ihre Fans klatschen..naja das kennt man. Leider ist da absolut kein Körper drunter....tödlich für die Opernbühne !!! Gesichtskirmes trifft auch zu....davon bin ich absoluter Gegner.
Did anyone else start crying at 9:50 when Elisabeth Schwarzkopf demonstrated with her still amazing voice? So beautiful. I learn so much from her, even though she is long gone.
Well I din cry exactly but it is great to see how how well she could demonstrate in '87. Yes, absolutely, it is quite poss to learn from these recorded m'classes of Chevalier ES. The pupil here is of c opening the jaw much too much
yes and I do it for all other great singers...
Was für ein unbeschreiblich sensibles Gefühl Schwarzkopf für die deutsche Sprache hat. Einfach großartig! - Heinz
Thanks for posting this amazing master class. It's some kind of real unbelievable treasure for professional singers.
A student of mine translated a bit more of the German. Here are some take aways: A few takeaways:
- she is often asking the singer to "give more" or "much more" but still wants it "small," "gathered/concentrated"
- a lot of the people in the comments are trying to summarize the advice by saying she wants the singer to sing "in the mask" or less dark but if you watch and listen to the whole thing you see a pattern and her advice changes with the music. The lowest notes in chest need to be "broad" and "bright" and pretty forward in order to carry over an orchestra. The middle voice needs to be felt "in the mask" near the nose and where the sound "m" is made. The high notes need to be high up "in the head, in the bells, in the skull"--less forward and less frontal than the singer's habit. In general the singer opens her mouth too wide for all of this, while a smaller opening allows her to access this more concentrated placement more often throughout her range.
- "you have to give more" in the middle range when singing with orchestra
- "...and that doesn't mean mean louder, it means more concentrated."
- the "e" sound comes directly from the "m" before it, the same place
- opening the mouth too wide loses that concentration
- as the melody goes more into the middle voice, the "mask" is more important -- she doesn't want it too forward or too far back--she describes it as "where an M would be"
- "matt" needs to be small for more concentration, and staying in that small place for what follows keeps it.
- the "bright a" needs to be smaller to work.
- as the melody goes higher it needs to go "into the head, into the bells" -- not broad or forward but up into the skull
- as the melody goes into chest voice it needs to be brighter to be heard over the strings.
Good summary of what ES was saying and a good elucidation of this.
Schwarzkopf makes sense. Good singing needs this level of detail. My teacher was like this as well and its not mean at all.
She is absolutely brilliant. Reminds me of my undergrad voice teacher, Martha Lipton. Tough as nails and exacting, but knew her stuff so well. That is what I believe made them world class singers. The attention to detail is amazing!
Masterpiece of teaching how to sing. Singing out of the mask. Articulation, singing, word and music en detail. Have heard Schwarzkopf several times with these „Four last songs“. Maximum of a voice could do. Will die for this.
Wow! Even after retirement Schwartzkopf had much the same voice as when she was still singing. And I love Strauss's four last songs -- Schwartzkopf is often cited as being the ultimate interpreter of Strauss. So wonderful to see her passing on her knowledge and experience to the next generation, the now world famous Miranda Van Klingeren being a case in point.
Elisabeth is a damn miracle. How could she still sing that well and beautiful at 72?!
When singer is singing on the right way he can keep his voice very young all the time!
Because she was fit with a strong back. No reason why as a sop she shouldn't be able to sing beautifully a phrase or two and indeed a complete song. Be thankful you are not a baritone who according to tradition will usually have to retire at 63 yrs( tho' yes, some have not had to- and we know more as the years have passed about how to get over the reasons why usually our voice has been found lacking after this sort of age)
For me her recording of the Strauss songs with Szell is a classic.
Its crazy if you think that she is 75 here and still has so much energy and most of all - still a beautiful voice! At that age?! An amazing singing ability. It shows she really had the right technique.
72, anyway still remarkable
Meravigliosa lezione di canto e musicalità ♥️♥️💎
The student sung beautifully. You see the joy on Schwarzkopf's face a few times.
2nd sentence quite true; first not really so- lacking in joy for one thing.
Mme. Schwarzkopf is very exacting, but that's what makes an experience with her so valuable. This singer has a hooded sound that she was taught. Inside the head of the singer it is misleading, suggests more resonance than is actually being produced. Here she's being largely coaxed to reverse this and sing in "the mask" but muscle memory is very hard to change.
What a special treat to hear Ms. Schwarzkopf singing along in parts and still sounding so nicely herself.
themotownboy1 right. Especially at age 71. The shimmering high Gs on “Sommer lächelt” are very impressive, as is the steadiness of her voice. No wobble in this voice. At ALL.
Check by yourself: say 'a' by 'usual' lips and by lips open to the front like Schwarzkopf did at (10:58). You'll be surprised how much volume your voice have!
Algoritme stuurt me hiernaartoe , ben ervan overtuigd dat Wim de Bie deze als inspiratie heeft gebruikt, prachtig!
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Die masterclass van herr Baumwolle bracht mij ook hier.
@@CanalPSG Mij ook 😅
Es lebe Prof. Jörgen Baumwolle!
Baumwolle had wel gelijk😂😂🎉
Amazing masterclasses!
Frau Schwarzkopf unterrichtet exzellent. Es ist bemerkenswert wie sich der Klang und Stimmsitz bei der Sängerin unter den Anweisungen verbessert und die sowieso schon sehr schöne Stimme an Klangschönheit gewinnt. Besonders berührend finde ich den Moment wo Elisabeth Schwarzkopf zusammen mit Miranda van Kralingen die Stelle singt. Man kann viel lernen von diesem Unterricht. Danke.
Miranda, ongelofelijk mooi!!
Such attention to detail; I think she lived in her own world a made her own rules but I often noticed that her focus was always on diction and the exact sound to create her interpretation, if it made her face look ugly that didn’t matter, whatever mouth or jaw shape was best for sound came first. Nowadays they all seem to show their big shiny veneers all the time and make acting faces, the vocal suffers. So even if you think she was a tough teacher the detail and attention is intense and her pupils all seem to respond. Yes, I know time changes and modern ideas are different, but not necessarily better !
Er was een conservatorium student waarvan ze toen zei:
"Es ist toch erschrecklich was von die Conservatorium kommt...."
Dat vond ik niet kunnen....arme jongen...
Mit über 70 zeigt Schwarzkopf ihre Stimme noch jung und präsent in den wenigen Beispielen, die sie bringt.
Egal was man von ihrem Unterrichtstil und Gesangstil halten mag. Fantastischer Klang, aber man versteht leider nix.
Perfect master-class!
Ik was hierbij...ze was helemaal weg van Miranda van Kralingen!
Like Celibidache said: "There are millions of NO but only ONE yes."
Can we have a translation in English, French or Italian??
Frau Schwarzkopf war die Groesste. Tough, but so detailed. Respekt.
Nein, Frau Scharzkopf war das night. Kate Bush war besser. Ihre Stimme war reiner und hatte eine große Reichweite. Aber Popmusik wird in der klassischen Welt nicht erkannt. Nur Leute in der klassischen Musik können etwas Gutes tun ....
@@jpsholland Kate Bush könnte so etwas nicht singen. "Klassisch" ist ein bißchen anspruchsvoller.
Oh crap! There are no subtitles to help understand what anyone is saying. But the singing is out of this world.
Wenn sie einzelne Stellen vormacht zeigt Schwarzkopf ihre intakte Stimme. Andere in dem Alter wackeln was daher.
Sie hat aber auch nie den Fehler gemacht, ihre Stimme zu vergewaltigen und ein für sie unpassendes Repertoire zu singen, wie z.B. die schweren Verdipartien.
Sehr interessante Unterrichtsstunde !
Und eine sehr schöne Stimme !
RIP Wim de Bie
Ja, zo ben ik hier gekomen.
I would never want to sing after one of her Masterclass. Too much facial reveal of not satisfied with the person singing. Oh yi yi yi. But she is still a favorite of mine!
genial
Was ist diese Lied?
😯Vier letzten Lieder. Richard Strauss.
Wie heißt das Stück
+Maximilian Rothe, September, es ist das zweite Lied der Vier Letzen Lieder von Richard Strauss und Hermann Hesse
Danke Schön :)
Jessye Norman and Renée Fleming did the best versions (according to me lol)
@@didierduplenne2325 to each their own, but, to me, nobody did it better than Schwarzkopf. Nobody.
@@elisam.2896 I would say also Janowitz sung the best renditiion...
Von Kralingen resembles a young Meryl Streep here!
YES! Sing in the MASK! Great masterclass!
Someone in another video said she was nasty in her masterclasses, but at least here she seems to be decent.
Well, nasty doesn’t seem like the right word. She had one way that worked for her and some of her students, and she really wanted them to imitate her exactly. I heard this from a reliable source who worked closely with a student of hers.
Tränen..
Es ist wohl das (mein) Alter
The poor girl is a bag of nerves. Why doesn't Schwarzcopf let her complete a phrase and then look back over it rather than hectoring relentlessly throughout? Imagine if you were a student carpenter trying to carve out a dovetail joint, and your apprentice master was standing over you screeching "No! Not like that, like this! Faster! Slower! To the right, to the left!". You'd make a complete mess of it. Hopeless teacher.
Watch this class and then watch the idiocy of deDonato and Flemming's mis guidance.
So eine Frau ist heute nicht zu begegnen
Die Sängerin singt sehr gut, wurde aber auch nicht bekannt.
Sicher Miranda van Kralingen ist hier in der Niederlande sehr bekannt🙋♀️
Doch, sie wurde sehr bekannt, auch international. Sie sang große Rollen in Opernhäusern auf der ganzen Welt, erhielt den Diamond Tulip Award von José Carreras, und vieles mehr!
Für 72 ist die Schwarzkopf noch erstaunlich fit. Ob das das Singen und die Atmung war?
Und sie hat auch keine dickes Vibrato, wie man das oft bei alten Sängerinnen hört.
Sie war nicht alt!
Gute Technik...bleibt...
72 is nicht alt...
Here is the way nasal singers are reproduced.
Schwartzkopf does her best to teach squeezed masky singing...
Bitte nicht nachmachen Leute, die Frau hat extrem verfärbt gesungen. Ihr Gesichtskirmes und das Maskensingen macht es noch schlimmer. Brustimme ist praktisch nicht vorhanden, bei beiden nicht. 12:21
...genau meine Meinung !!! ihre Fans klatschen..naja das kennt man. Leider ist da absolut kein Körper drunter....tödlich für die Opernbühne !!! Gesichtskirmes trifft auch zu....davon bin ich absoluter Gegner.
Le mastersclasses delle celebrita' sono del tutto inutili.