What DIFFERENCE do Assists REALLY Make in Forza Motorsport?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- I can drive Kyalami very consistently, so do any of these results surprise you as they did me? I must say seeing the difference between TC (On) + ABS (On) and the other laps I'd run first was the biggest surprise. However, the ABS/Traction Control (Sport)/Stability Control (Sport) being all within a few hundredths of a second seems to suggest those don't really make much negative difference to your driving performance. The times were too close there to come up with a clear conclusion.
Full Stability Control set to "On" rather than "Sport" was extremely restrictive and a clear outlier in the results that you probably shouldn't bother with.
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There I was thinking my 1st assumption was wrong, yet Traction Control On rather than Sport seemed to make a positive difference. Good job I tried as I nearly didn't. Thanks for watching and feel free to SUBSCRIBE/Like/Comment and all that good stuff to see more Forza Motorsport videos from me in future! If you've had different results I'd love to hear them 🧡
Given that TC doesn’t come on much with this car and track I would think you would see a larger difference with a more stock street car especially without race tires
Yeah the Sport mode especially was unresponsive so not much different to having it turned off. I would like to run some more car tests, like you say. Noticing a pace improvement with a car that shouldn't have those sorts of assists would be interesting.
Good video. I found that this is very car specific. Sine cars with no TC will torque you into the wall even when being careful. Especially heavier GT cars.
Thanks for the info & taking the time to watch & comment. Because I knew this car really ought to have TC & ABS it might be a good idea to re-test soon with higher powered or FWD cars to see if the same assists are quickest.
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Excellent. This video was needed. I've found abs tc and sc in sport suit my noobish diving style for now.
Well nothing wrong in my opinion of anybody setting TC/ABS car-appropriately or less experienced drivers running with the combo that means they spin out and lock up less. Racing is about running consistently first, there's not much fun in facing the wrong way or sliding into people/off-track just because you're too proud to use assists. Best of luck and thanks for watching! 👍
Thanks for the video ..
As a controller player i can play with all assists (except abs) Off in touring cars and i noticed the difference very clear that i am faster .. but in gt cars i really struggles to control the throttle and i have at least to turn tcs to sport or on to be consistant
That's good information. Stability control caused a weird crabbing effect that slowed me down, which is similar to how traction control felt in the front-wheel drive cars. Those are better without imo as my Touring Car multiplayer highlights from October weren't using assists and felt great.
Nice video, my only comment would be to try with a car that's not so settled. I think the results may be different.
Yeah these vids have definitely brought up some great points in the comments about how to further push the test and see if the same results can be achieved in other levels of car. Thanks for pointing that out, I might give some alternatives a try soon! 👍
I have never seen someone race without abs, braking at the limit is extremely important in online racing.
If you're controlled on the pedal (if you're using wheel/pedals) it can be quite effective but I agree the aggressive sort of driving to be competitive could see you want later, harder braking under control that ABS should give you. Thanks for watching 😊
All the best controller players drive with no assists, Mars, Hexor, Suimin, etc...
@@leprodeGT4 I wonder how easy it would be to D Riccardo them into T1 considering they have less stability under braking
@@leprodeGT4 I'll try to check some of those guys (or maybe their ghosts) out! Thanks for mentioning them.
I haven't tried full traction control, I've been on sport and I launch better than almost everyone. I'll give it a try tonight and see how it does. ABS on and off I've seen no difference. Bu then again, I am used to ABS off and brake as if it's off.
Let me know how you get on. I would predict Sport might still be better off the line as it's not very intrusive, but there are times when TC On doesn't seem to be either 👍
@@Waapitii It's sometimes helpful to look at the Rivals leaderboards for certain cars. If many of the quickest guys are using TC or ABS, it's usually a good hint that the car either (a) should have those assists built-in and/or (b) the cars are too slippery to be competitive without them.
In prior games the TCS and STM made a much larger difference around A class, where the rear wheel drive cars had enough power to slip the tires and start a 30 second drift every corner exit, but not enough downforce and overall balance to keep grip maintained. Things like upgraded muscle cars, road going BMWs and Ferraris, etc. and in prior games the TCS and STM was TERRIBLE and felt awful with a wheel. You would feel it either cutting power for way too long, or applying too much braking force and kind of ruining your corner. But you still had to use it because otherwise as mentioned you had to underdrive the car on the knifes edge or risk sliding too much.
Amazing comment, thanks for the extra information. The slower "STM on" lap felt pretty bad as the car was crabbing out of corners where you'd normally rely on a bit of slide. After your comment and some others I think a very tail happy car test might be in order 😬
I feel like this varies with the car and the class. On E class, in my experience, you save a lot of time turning everything off. Those cars are much easier to control, however, and most of them don't really have abs, tc or st built in them irl, so I guess that makes sense. Modern sport cars are built with abs and tc in mind so they probably should run faster with those on. I feel like those assists should be upgrades instead of menu options since they are so car-dependent
I agree, global game options seem odd for cars that should just have them included. Upgrades would make it clearer than having to do your own research to check if the car should or shouldn't. Thanks for watching & taking the time to comment 👍
@@hotcircuit nah man, thank YOU for taking the time to research this and post a video about your results!
clearly it depends how good of a driver ytou are because my tc light doesnt go off lol and the tc removes ALL power from the cars unless my games buggy. stability control is not the same but does slow me down a bit tc though unless im ina super powerful car has to be off or im multple seconds slower
I think the TC to On was more active than the TC Sport setting which seemed to only intervene a few times during the lap. With the full TC being faster I assumed it did more, anyway. Stability control fully on actually made the car crab in a weird fashion if I took a corner really quick, which overall made the car slower. I think that might be the effect you're seeing with powerful cars too, so it might be best to keep it off and rely on Traction Control.
i will be honest ive only tried on not sport that could be the trick i need. good shout too i shall try that tonight dude apprecaiute that suggestions @@hotcircuit
Pretty sure the difference in time is due to getting better with the car other than ST, stability control should just always be off.
Additionally, you should of really picked a car that actually triggers TCS as it would be a more accurate comparison on whether TCS actually benefits on a car that needs it.
When I made this video it was pretty early days of the game, so I thought I was pretty safe testing a GT3 that should have TCS. It seems like maybe they compensate for this with just the general handling of the car being easier no matter which in-game assists you choose. After a bit more time now I think the much more aggressive KTM X-Bow GT2 would've been a better car for this as the difference with/without assists is much clearer. Cheers for your comment as you raise a decent point 👍
@@hotcircuit Trying to tame the X-Bow GT2 when it gets on boost in lower gears without TC is a nightmare, but I do it anyway because no TC is what I'm used to. I only use ABS and it's mostly a safety measure to make sure I don't go plowing into people if I miss a braking point and have to slam on the brakes lol
I’ve always ran no assists. For a few reasons. As a controller player I get the most feedback this way. Another is driving with assists is boring to me. Car never feels out of control or on the brink of traction. Force of habit as they’ve been all off since f4 and gt3 lol also hardcore leaderboards. Only leaderboards I can cop a top 100 in cuz I’m not very skilled lmao
I think it is important to note for anybody that the thing you should do is the thing that works for you, absolutely agree. I thought this was an interesting experiment as Forza doesn't force the real-life assists for any vehicle on you so would a GT3 be fastest with or without. I expected "pro" mode without them to be fastest, to be fair.
def agree with that. it was such a well thought out and interesting topic and experiment for sure! it was a good watch and got you a sub! i also expected the pro or most hardcore to be fastest as well. was cool to see it played out. @@hotcircuit
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A bit silly of a test to do in a GT can do this on a car that is very tail happy rwd maybe some fwd or awd lots of power and throttle management required to control wheel spin then you may see traction control hindering lap times you should really redo this test with a slippy car
The test idea came out of driving GT3s in other games such as ACC/iRacing which of course offer car-based ABS/TC assists as in real life. With Forza, as they're presented as game assists I wanted to see if the GT3 swayed towards being better with the assists it was meant to have or not. Having said that, I'm definitely not arguing your point as I definitely want to test across a wider range of vehicles in the near future. Really appreciate your input and taking the time to watch 👍
See toy on a wheel? Your tc won’t engage if you have stability on! For GT cars you def need to use TCS. For all others only ABS. Always use sim steering on a wheel. 😊
For GT, TC sports and ABS is fastest.
Thanks for the extra info, without a visual indicator that stability is kicking in I really wasn't sure which one it leant on more. You'd think they might disable TC in the menu when stability was turned on if it wasn't going to be used. I also think the game should enable the assists available on the car you're driving, then it's up to you if you want to disable them via hotkey/button.
hey thanks for the info. would you recommend TCS and ABS both on sport?
In this case both "On" appeared to be fastest with a GT3 that'd usually have those assists available. I'd certainly trial them in "Sport" on different cars to see if you get faster results with front-wheel drive or even on powerful cars that'd normally not have TC and require more careful throttle control out of corners.
@@hotcircuitI did my own little test . And I drove the quickest time both TCS and ABS on. Was kinda surprised , because I tried to race with no assists. But it’s really challenging on controller and I try to save up some money for a racing wheel . Thanks for you r answers and video
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NSX does not benefit from TCS in decent driver hands. I am kind of a decent driver (4990ish S, top100s rivals) and I was pretty stubborn and never used any assists but today I tried Ferrari Roma and that thing stock is just slide-nation. I turned my TCS on Sport mode for the first time ever and shaved seconds! What do you think about using TCS on cars that are not that aero heavy?
I think assists might need to be judged on a car-by-car basis. I agree the test here didn't necessarily use the most unstable car but I was keen to see what a GT3 would be like with/without its regular onboard assists. FWD touring cars were slower for me with assists as the TC bogged the car down on throttle.
What i would like some in depth setting on auto transmission?
You bring up a good point. I felt like throttle and brake assists which are clear game assists - rather than car assists - would be slower or if all turned on will practically drive the car for you. But yes, auto gears versus manual would be useful to you and others I'm sure! Thanks for taking the time to watch
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I drive the 488 challenge and having traction control on literally doesn't let me accelerate no matter the % of throtle
This... I gotta try 🤔
On lmp cars using tc.GT and another only abs.Its strange in this.Maybe with tc really faster.Usually in any games tc to much brake your power and this give motivation to people for more difficult driving.But here maybe another situation and im not support this
We have to consider in this instance that a GT3 car with TC & ABS enabled *should* be fastest, but I agree that it should effectively be a penalty in certain cars. TC should stifle aggressive power out of corners, bogging you down more than you would controlling slide & throttle application yourself.
@@hotcircuitmany things not depend from real life in this game)I mean for example grid autosport,there not tc giving to you more speed on 85% of cars
@@mark82765 Agreed, I'm not necessarily expecting full realism from Forza but it's kinda cool to check imo. There's still a good chunk of the gameplay here that'd see people through to playing full sims comfortably... if they wanted to of course.
Many thanks for this. Are you using a wheel? Very informative.
No worries & thanks for watching. Yeah, I'm using the Simagic ecosystem for wheel, base and pedals here. Full models & PC specs etc. are listed in my description if you need to know more 👍
Hi, what assist do you recommend for GT3 cars to go fast? I use the steering wheel. @@hotcircuit
@@TOFNTOFN It's only really stability control that slows you down badly so I'd try your car of choice without any assists, then just add some Sport TC if the rear is a little too loose on corner exit and ABS if your left foot is too heavy 🪨
all assists off always
It's legitimately confusing though, as GT3s should have ABS/TC onboard but we have to add/remove it globally. I fully appreciate wanting to drive classics or other vehicles without assists if they never came with any in the first place 👍
TC should be left off or sport, full TC will make u aloot slower than someone who uses sport of off