England rugby team manshame the Irish scrum for 80 minutes 2012 SIX NATIONS
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- England produced a dominant forward display to manshame Ireland and finish second in the Six Nations table in coach Stuart Lancaster's first campaign in charge.
Six penalties from the boot of Owen Farrell and an inevitable penalty try were a fitting reward as England's pack destroyed their opposite numbers at the scrum
It's such a shame Corbisiero got injured and decided to pack in and go to the US.. He was easily the best loosehead in world rugby at only 24, and could have been one of the all time greats.. 120kgs, fantastic technique, great around the park, and the most destructive loosehead I've seen since Rodrigo Roncero.. The lions tour in Australia showed just how good he was..
absolutely - because it wasn't cole dominating healy
@@laurencepiper I beg to disagree. I played with Dan Cole and he was an absolute beast. His strength was not far off Andy Sheridan and marmalized opposition props for fun. He was by far the strongest forward in the Tigers squad even at 23.
Healey's achilles heel was his propping in his early days and had to work extremely hard on it. We would often target him as a weak link in the scrum
I know I’m a bit late to this party but the man Corbisiero took over from was the most destructive loosehead in the game - Andrew Sheridan. Absolute beast of a powerhouse
Carl hayman said he was the hardest prop he’s ever gone against - praise doesn’t get higher than that!
England would kill for a prop as good as Corbisiero right now!! x
He was American anyway, he did get injured but that wasn't what stopped him playing, it was the realisation that he was basically putting his spine on the line every scrum. He's still physically very fit and a big fan of MMA, he just chose the right decision and got out before his spine turned into an accordion. Corbs was absolutely superb. Hopefully the US can persuade more of their legit fit guys to stop playing Fatball and play rugby
As much as it pains me to say it, Brian Moore is actually very insightful as a commentator -it's good to actually here the opinion of a seasoned front-rower.
I played tight-head when I first started playing rugby. I used to use all sorts of tricks to put pressure on the opposing loose-head. Then, when I had my growth spurt, I played blind-side flanker, totally different position, but I got more knocks at no. 6 than I did at no. 3.
I remember watching this. It was my first year of watching 6 nations games.
I was once in a scrum situation like this. The opposition front row were half the weight of ours. it feels good just to push through them.
I have been on the opposite site of your situation. Heads of to our oponent! Beasts of guys they were!
As a tight head first and an Englishman second, this still makes painful viewing.
We've all had one of those days, but none of mine have been in front of 80,000 people. Or been commentated on by Brian Moore.
Ireland had to put a loosehead in the tighthead spot before the 2nd half. This was when there was only one prop replacement on the bench. Thank god they changed it to 2 because tighthead and loosehead are entirely different positions and very few props can play both.
I thought Tom Court was mainly a tighthead prop
Scuba Steve if your talented you can play all 3 front row positions 😉 it’s purely down to the technique you use, being as strong as an ox will only get you so far
Is was a lot easier when you could virtually destroy your opposition on the engage 😂👍🏻
@@pheasantpluckersson2138 hope that comment was tongue in cheek as I played hooker at a very good level, with great props either side, and believe me once you're above junior club level it's a completely different game in the front row. Tight head and loose head are infinitely different positions, different angles, different body position and far more. It's extremely rare for top level props to be able to play both sides safely, which is one of the reasons the laws were changed so specialists in all 3 positions were on the bench..
@@seohyunkim5655 Tom Court was 100% a loosehead.
Great shame that Alex Corbisiero's career was so badly affected by injury. He was a phenomenal scrummager and the primary reason for this dominating performance from the English front five.
And this was the basis of the pack that went on to crush the All Blacks in the Autumn of that year. That pack never played together again due to injuries. Obviously a relief to other nations. Against Wales at the Millennium stadium in 2013 then the scrummaging would have been different. Joe Marler got nailed that day by Adam Jones. Had Corbs been loose head the outcome would have been very different.
As an ex front rower, I can say I've been on both sides of this, great when you march your opponent backwards but its a long day on the receiving end.
Yep, Same here. I think most props have been taken to the cleaners sometime... well ALL props. Find me one who says otherwise and I'll show you the worlds biggest liar.
@@PropBoyGinge Yup, I think the hardest part of propping is when you turn 18 and you go into the senior front row for the first time. Welcome to the real world lol.
@@gezzarandom yes. I played a match against a lad just out of colts who was reckoned to be quite useful. 1st scrum he belted me... and then spent the next 70 odd minutes with his head between his knees and his boots an inch off the ground.
Brian Moore in his element , sometimes i think that if the whole game was made up of scrums and england winning them , he still would nt run out of words .
Im Irish but jesus that was great scrummaging from england
Thesuddentornado nothing to do with England and everything to do with the terrible and weak Tom court. One of the worst international front rowers ever. Weak as piss
@@toomuch9762 listen to Moore though, it's not all about him
B M I don’t need someone to explain what I see. That’s the problem with fans these days, all they do is regurgitate what they here on tv or read in newspapers. I’ve played front row and have seen a shit ton of matches with court in Ulster.
@@toomuch9762 What was Court doing wrong & if he was that bad what was he doing there?
Eddy This was before you could select a sub tighthead
This is awesome to watch, and deserves to be celebrated. Thanks!
Got to love Brian Moore's expertise here,
As a former lock, I have seen it all. But to see this type of destruction at Test level was incredible.
The only time I’ve seen it elsewhere was when England played Australia in 2007 RWC. England monstered the Aussie front row that day but the ref didn’t call any penalties on the scrum until well into the 2nd half
@@nathanwilliams2152 that’s because the ref was Alain Roland, and England never got anything from him.
Dan Cole and Corbisiero were an underrated pairing.
The Irish Tight-head was out of sorts, a boy amongst men.
But enormous credit to him, he stood there and took it, scrum after scrum after scrum.
He may have been technically inferior, but the bloke has a heart the size of a football.
Apparently he is still receiving counselling as a result of this match. I have never seen an international scrum taken apart as this one was.
With respect, what else is he going to do? Run away?
@@michaeljeffries8005 - maybe the only other time was thee RWC 1/4 final in 2007. Andrew Sheridan absolutely monstered the Aussie scrum that day. I still think this performance against Ireland was more impressive.
Corbs was awesome. As a fat old prop I really rated him. Could of been one of the world greats had he not been injury.
On another note Tom Court ended up on a lion's tour in 2013... Shocking.
A thing of absolute beauty.
I am indeed English, but with a Welsh father and an Irish mother, I'll be happy as long as France don't win. The reason I predict either an English or Irish Grand Slam is that both of them play France at home and that Wales are practically out of the running now. Hence Sundays game will most likely be the most important of the tournament. Good luck to you too, it's undoubtedly going to be a hell of a game.
glad to hear you speak for the rest of the world. When I lived in NZ a lot of kiwis were supporting England when playing the aussies on various occasions. you obviously didn't speak to those people before speaking on their behalf lol. Every team and its supporters can and have been arrogant/dis-respectful. Scotland selling calcutta cup winners a week before the game, the frogs coach stating England cannot win in paris etc. list goes on and on!
How times have changed. Those days are long gone!
It'll be interesting this year. Teams are all so close now, best six nations so far leading into it since 2015
We were absolutely hammered regardless of our missing players. Fair play to England, next year will be interesting.
Corbs was one of the best ever. England, Lion... had so much more to give but super happy for him that he got out when he did. Wages were shit and to give your literal health for it... glad he went on to enjoy MMA. Love Corbisiero
guys! why so much hate? im an english fan and i like nothing more than a bit of healthy competition/banter. neither an english or irish rugby fan can deny that it is great to beat one another in the six nations, however, some of the comments below are pretty nasty and malicious. we are bloody neighbours for christsake! yes there were some atrocities committed in the past, but that was years ago! I really do not understand why we cannot get along, forget the past and enjoy the great game.
my eyes are open, we are far from the finished article, but with the number of caps out on the field its still positive. its not biased to be positive about the performance. i like how you mention quade cooper, the man who crumbled at the world cup. and genia, yes best scrum half in the world but phipps was excellent in his place. back line still had beale, ioane, ashley-cooper.very dangerous in my opinion. its not the result id like, but we are creating chances and with experience they can work
So many negative comments that have no place in this beautiful game. Go to test match and stand next to suppoters of the other team, share the highs and lows, recognise the good play, hug each other feel their pain feel their highs, its a game. ||History is past, embrace the now and the joy or sorrows, we feel them all. For we LOVE RUGBY not a shallow game like football. This is a game of courage and strength. CELEBRATE!!!! for this is the meaning of rugby..
Yesterday's victory was England's first victory in Dublin since 27th August 2011. That's not a decade, mate. That's 18 months.
Infairness ireland have a very small pool of players to choose from in comparason to england. But yet year on year they still manage to put up a good preformance and have beaten england 6 times in the last 9 six nations matchs. England are a decent team but considering their player pool size and depth they really should be a lot better. Also havent won a grand slam since 03 or even the WC. All in all ireland are a better team!!
You do though and the comment you have made illustrates that quite succinctly. The last three games England and Ireland have played have not gone Irelands way. This is hardly blowing it out of all proportion. Besides, haven't seen Ireland win a WC or go to the SH, beat every team there and then do it again at home. England, and to lesser extent France, are the only teams to have at least stemmed the tide of SH dominance.
People who want to play tighthead should watch this. A lot of these penalties are all from Dan Cole Working hard, keeping steady and watching as the othe team collapse.
It is 7 out of 10 but 7 out of 9 is still correct too. I think you are misinterpreting me though. My point was simply that given recent 6 Nations Results England should be proud of the win. I even think a lot of us in Ireland were happy to see England win this one. We love an underdog and it is good to see a team who have had so few wins against us come out on top in what has to be described as a David versus Goliath clash.
I forked out for this match with money I didn't have. Worst game ever. It was so bad that after about 60 minutes the English fans stopped making fun of us because they felt so bad for us. Left soon after that....
"Was that ball going in too straight?"
Great comment.
an oldie but a goodie.
I heard it too when you drop an easy ball “did I pass it too straight?”
The thing that always impresses me about England are their scrums and rolling mauls - they really are showing the world how it's done.
5:11 "it was at this time the Irish knew they were fucked"
ayy lmao
That was a great match to watch. England are born again, but don't be complacent and you will continue to win matches :) !!!!
England is a new side and we are only getting better pal, good luck with that happening.
Ireland's most capped test player: Ronan O'Gara (b. USA)
Ireland's 5th most capped test player: Malcolm O'Kelly (b. ENGLAND)
Ireland's 13th most capped test player: Kevin Maggs (b. ENGLAND)
Irelands' 16th most capped test player: Simon Easterby (b. ENGLAND)
Ireland's 7th highet all-time try scorer: Brendan Mullin (b. ISRAEL
Ireland's 6th highest points scored in 1 test: Paul Burke (b. ENGLAND)
And now Ireland has had the best scrum in Europe since.
We shall in 6N. I would say Mako-George(Waaaay better than Hartley)-Cole is just as good as McGrath-Best-Furlong.
Ha ha. Not going to bite on that obvious bait I'm afraid Tom. What I would point out is that five of the seven results you listed were by six points or less, so the reality is that the head-to-head has been generally close but decided by fine margins. If you toss a coin five times you don't often get five heads - but you do sometimes.
Anyway, here's to another exciting match in this season's Six Nations, and hopefully another England win.
never seen a game where the scrum has been so decisive in the victory
When England played Australia in the QF of 2007 RWC, that was pretty decisive. The English pack (particularly Andrew Sheridan) had the Australian front row on toast. Great game if you can find it.
""Wales"" Rugby Union Team
Aaron Shingler (born in England), Dan Lydiate (born in England), George North (born in England), Alex Cuthbert (born in England), Luke Charteris (born in England), Jonathan Davies (born in England), Toby Faletau (born in Tonga), Ian Evans (born in South Africa.
No one would dispute that between 2004-2011 the Irish had a wonderful side, shown by the results of Munster and Leinster in the HC. But I would point out that as bad as England have been since 2003, they've still reached the world cup final and another quarter final. The challenge now for for Ireland is to replace the players who've gone. O'Driscoll, Hayes, O'Callaghan etc that will be a tough job.
Totally agree. My point is that this is focussing on one game and putting down a team that has dominated in so many other areas. Just seems a bit crass to talk about "shaming" a team that has won so often recently
thanks,i thought that england have come on far better in the wales, france and ireland games, they have improvemed a great deal.
lol The Mario Kart 7 ads shows you how old this is
Sheena1234ization the date it’s posted says how old it is. Also why does it matter how old it is?
“Australia” Rugby Union Team - Stephen Moore (born in Saudi Arabia), Sitaleki Timani (born in Tonga), David Pocock (born in Zimbabwe), Will Genia (born in Papua New Guinea), Quade Cooper (born in New Zealand), Digby Ioane (born in New Zealand), Joseph Tomane (born in New Zealand), Cooper Vuna (born in New Zealand).
This really was a Lecture on how to not play tighthead, nevertheless Corbisiero was an outstanding loosehead prop!
How rare is it that the loosehead gets one up on the tighthead? When I played ruggers at school (and I played full-back), the tightheads seemed to have most of the tricks, but I never figured out what sort of tricks the loosehead can pull to destabilise the opposing tighthead? Brilliant scrummaging, akin to what we did against the Aussies in RWC 2007 when Andrew Sheridan monstered the Aussie scrum.
With Dickson at scrum half and Barritt at centre I can't believe we played well outside of the scrum.
I'm Irish but full credit to england they deserved this game. England were at home and Ireland were playing without their 2 captains and leaders O'Connell and O'Driiscoll and lost Mike Ross early on in the game. I wonder if Ireland were playing with these (especially o'connell for the scrum) would it have been a different story but full credit to the English ye deserved it.
I love the commentary "and the Irish scrum crumbles to nothing under England" as it should be
Recent 6 Nations Results:
2011: Ireland 24 - 8 England
2010: Ireland 20 - 16 England
2009: Ireland 14 - 13 England
2007: Ireland 43 - 13 England
2006: Ireland 28 - 24 England
2005: Ireland 19 - 13 England
2004: Ireland 19 - 13 England
I guess I would be making a big deal of winning a game too with that record.
You missed the 2008 score, any ideas what it was?
Also the scores from 2012-2019 are probably more "recent" but let's not talk about all of them maybe just pick the couple of years you beat England 🤣
Wow add that to all three of your grand slams
T 1000 you’re so smart you didn’t even realise the comment was posted in 2013
Credit where due, the English props were possessed that day
Possessed indeed, very powerful but also totally illegal and even Brian Moore went along with the farce permitted by Nigel that day. Most referees then allowed that crap, for about two seasons, now they tend to apply the law properly.
@@Tellemore "Totally illegal"? Utter crap. The Irish Tighthead kept turning perpendicular to the scrum and that's why they kept getting marched backwards.
Tellemore shut up and go back to the mills.
I'm not sure how many wrong statements it's possible to make in one paragraph, but you've certainly had a good stab at it. This game was in the Six Nations last year - all of the substitutions in the Irish front row were to do with injuries. Mike Ross limps off on the verge of halftime and the youngster (Tom Court if I'm not mistaken) then gets an absolute lesson from Corbisiero. To be fair to Cian Healy he had the upper hand on Cole on Sunday (in the scrums) - but he got smashed in this fixture
It probably was but it is a very true reflection of the scrums in last year's Eng-Ire game. I can't remember the exact stats but I think Ireland lost 4 or 5 scrums against the head, gave away numerous penalties with a bad technique and were generally steamrollered. Of all the "dead rubbers" this was one of the most impressive by England. Ireland had spent the 2012 championship building on lineout authority and didn't have the bulk at the scrum
“”Scotland”” Rugby Union Team - Dan Parks (born in Australia), Tom Ryder (born in England), John Barclay (born in Hong Kong), Alex Grove (born in England), Max Evans (born in England), Thom Evans (born in Zimbabwe), Tim Visser (born in Holland)
“New Zealand” - Ben Franks (b. Australia), Greg Rawlinson (b.South Africa), Isaia Toeava (b.Samoa), Chris Masoe (b.Samoa), Sione Lauaki (b.Tonga), Sosene Anesi (b. in Samoa), Derren Witcombe ( b. Australia), Sitiveni Sivivatu (b. Fiji), Jerome Kaino (b. American Samoa), Casey Laulala (b.Samoa), Saimone Taumoepeau (b.Tonga), Josevata Rokocoko (born in Fiji), Mils Muliaina (b.Samoa), Rodney So'oialo ( b. Samoa), Sam Harding (b.Australia), Steve Devine (b.Australia), Jerry Collins (b. Samoa
I have to say, we were beasted in the scrum that day. But it also shows how one dimensional England were to be only 3 points to the good after 60 minutes
I've never heard the word "manshame" before. I'm fairly sure it's not a word. What I will say is that this was the most comprehensive dominance in the scrum that I've ever seen. As far as gloating on past results and all this tit-for-tat goes, leave it be. We all know England will beat Ireland, Ireland will beat England, over and over again as long as both sides play each other. The point is that it's exhilarating, and no matter which side you're on, we can all share in that.
Current "Irish" Football players:
Kieren Westwood (b. England), Ciaran Clarke (b. England), Simon Cox (b. England), Sean St Ledger (b. England), Alex Pearce (b. England), Paul Green (b. England), Leon Best (b. England)
Current "English" everything.(b. Of mass murder, theft, terrorism, slavery, genocide.) go England, don't forget where your wealth and comfort came from.
Leeches.
ahaha well done well done, same number of tries as australia. this is australia who have a world class backline so im pretty happy. england were naive, fine, its a young team. im not pleased with the result but if we can cut the mistakes then im pretty optimistic. if we had taken our penalties, could have been a very different result.
30 seconds and there is already a scrum, what the heck happened. Did the kicker drop it.
I was at that game. It was a warm up game for the RWC and wasnt a real game. Remember all the substitutions? It was two teams helping each other. Up to yesterday its been a decade since England beat Ireland at home in the 6 nations for over a decade. I was there yesterday too. Boring game for all spectators
Imagine the damage a front row with Sheridan and Corbs would cause.
Fascinating PBSmithy I'm not sure how you come to equate Erk Ball with rugby, try and keep up please dear boy!
good one did it take you a long time to think up that??
This isn't about the wider game. This was all about the scrum. If you notice even in the commentary Brian Moore says "It was a real manshaming". The front five's manliness was taken away from them. They were manshamed
Monumental English Pack display.
Not a bad Ireland pack either.
It was 10 years since England won in Dublin. And this was the 6 nations match in 2012.
Happy St Patrick's Day lads, welcome to Twickenham.
Yeah the 2014 6 nations championship really sticks in the craw
Declan Hegarty If anyone can rub English noses in the 2014 6N it's the French. Painful loss to them that year. We still beat Ireland though, so there is that. :)
MrMcBobb Suck it up bitch Ireland won the championship , enjoy looking at the past
Declan Hegarty Green tea with a spoonful of honey. Should go some way to removing that bitter taste in your mouth.
Good luck for the next 6N by the way, it'll be nice to see what Joe Schmidt has done to make up for the loss of Sexton and BOD. Hope you find a replacement for Cian Healey too, he's your version of Hartley. Great player, shite temperament.
MrMcBobb Au contraire Mr Bobb, the taste of being number 1 cant be replaced.. back to the sour grapes chariot for you fella...
If you listen to the commentry he didn't say Ireland were or have been man-shamed, He described an emotion from his own experience!
well said
Quite frankly, I think it's worse that an incident which happened before any current England player was born was used to guilt trip them into defeat.
wonder if he will upload the manshame wales put on engerland in cardiff2013
Killed me this game. I remember sitting in a pub in Abbey St, Dublin watching this game. Yea shit day
Just remember our match against you in the 6 Nations 2011
Watching this back makes me happy that Ireland have Tadgh Furlong.
He is a beast of a man like a green bus with the handbrake off on a slight hill.
Who's here after England got manshamed by South Africa for 80 minutes in the rugby world cup
He hoe lives by the sword ......
Yep, South Africa had our number in the world cup final. But the Boks are beasts. They'd have had anyone with that performance.
I really, really hope this is a new era for England and Lancaster, as for the Irish, it was nice to see England dominate but we all know how sport works, every one will be ready for us now, and the Irish will sort them selves out, but hopefully not for a while.
7 years on and England were the ones getting man shamed in the scrums by south Africa in the final
JeremyVine we were missing Sinckler
John Wena shows that dan Cole got worse at scrummaging then compared from this vid and from the final
JeremyVine I agree he is definitely past his prime
@@EpicPureGaming so your whole scrum relies on one person? that's a poor scrum..
Chris T clearly u never played before 😂
Look at 8:29 till 8:36 . The irish loosehead trys to collapse it and Dan Cole picks him back up and slots him back....EPIC.
This is a pretty fair assessment I think it was the worst performance at scrum time I have ever seen. We should fair better in 2013. What is your take on Robshaw? I think he is a great player, probably made the wrong decision the last day but to be fair England didn't look like getting a try. You reckon the captaincy will change hands before the 6nations?
Did you see the conditions in this game? The week before England had scored three very good tries against France, but you can't expect that in the rain like this. Against SA we did struggle in the first halves of games, but by the end of the series the pack were performing very well. Given that they're still young on the whole it's pretty promising.
Arguably, Ireland has an advantage in managing players with central contracts.
As long as the French don't get the grand slam (and now they won't) i'm happy sincerely an Englishman
There is nothing like a really good manshaming
Why are "soccer"fans commenting on rugby...FFS.Great strategic game of rugby.
A: The England side didn't say 'manshame'. The youtube poster did.
B: Scrumming is a point of pride and manhood. They were utterly mullered. Hence manshame.
You may hate the Irish during the 6 Nations but you probably love them during the Lions tour since some of the best players are Irish.
Meanwhile somewhere out in the S African bushveld, Bakies Botha has just taken down another buffalo for his BBQ.... (braai)🇿🇦
I agree. There's just smt very strange about the English in general, not just rugby, that it seems like whenever they do smt, ANYTHING at all, it's with the intention of winning at all cost so they can rub it in ppl's faces and basically explain to you they're the superior race. I find it extremely peculiar..you see every people and nation with their pride and chauvinism, but this is down-right eerie.
Good scrum btw: the English scrum I feel is underrated.
Do you feel 'manshamed' by the sheer man-ness of someone using the comment?
Don't worry, it's an Irish thing. Everyone over there is like you.
Irelands scrum ball was actually England’s ball! Tom Court will have that game etched onto his gravestone
What is this delightful display of violence? I am american
Beautiful sport of Rugby. World Cup is on at the moment, there’s been some excellent moments so far!
@@DaPeePeePooPooCheck no i know that, im not sure i understand the science of this scrum thing though
Tony Malin basically Force is equal to the product of mass and accelerating
@@aikalabe7719 Similar to the scrimmage from your game, but in a three-line formation on each side which makes for an exceptionally powerful shoving machine when it's well drilled. Normally just for restarting after a minor offence but when the force is with you it's a great way to knock someone's dick in the dirt. (ex front-rower here, but that was last century...!)
@MrCowfucker - 1. wonderful name. 2. Cracking video, because it encapsulates the whole 80 minutes of this match; it was all about the dominance of the England scrum. I thought Corbisiero in particular was immense. Watching live last weekend I thought it all changed when Ross went off - it's true Court had a nightmare at TH and exacerbated Ireland's problems there, but this video shows that Corbs was bossing Ross too.
Love it.
Wow, finish second. How impressive.
I thought this was very unfair on Tom Court. He was a loosehead and at the time you could only have one replacement prop in your 22. It wasn't his fault if he was a loosehead who was put on to substitute a tighthead, especially not against one of the world's best. His reputation was ruined here but he was actually a very good player when he played at loosehead.
This was the match that lead to the change whereby the 22 was turned to 23 and both a replacement loosehead and tighthead were allowed. Seeing the scrum collapse so dangerously every time made the IRB get its act together and make a decision on it.
It’s amazing to see so many comments that don’t seem to acknowledge that simple fact. If England’s 2nd choice loose head was playing at tighthead against Mike Ross, it would’ve been the exact same thing in reverse. I suppose it feeds into their self image or something. “Manshaming” and “dominating” with their “English beef”. Ireland had been manhandling England for a few years at this stage and they wet themselves with excitement when this happened.
i have never seen the irish scrum so dominated in my life
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Ireland's joint 2nd highest no. of tries scored in 1 test: Matt Mostyn (b. AUSTRALIA)
Ireland's 10th most capped player as team captain: Phillip Matthews (b. ENGLAND)
That's what happens when the loosehead has it over the tighthead. It happened to England in the last WC final.
@Airgunhunter2292: I never said Ireland were taking ''the moral high ground''. We got hammered but what I was trying to point out is the difference between when Ireland win against England and when England beat Ireland. The difference is class. The lack of class, respect from England is always going to be there. No matter whoever England play, no matter if they win or lose, the rest of the rugby world will neither really support them when they're winning nor offer sympathy when they lose.
Gonna do one showing how South Africa beasted the little guys today?