This video was by far the best explanation of how the shaft influences delivery. I'll admit I was very skeptical especially given the huge discrepancy until the awhaw moment where Ian talked about how soft makes you want to keep your hands ahead because of how it feels. I've had that experience with a rental driver but that never dawned on me.
Guys, I think a great investment for the channel would be a slo mo video camera to capture the swing and especially the impact moment for better educational content. Just a suggestion from a subscriber. Keep up the great work!
Just goes to show you need to be custom fit properly, meaning you need to go an outfit with hundreds of shafts not just 3 or 4. I did this last year and have dropped from a 5 to 1 handicap. This channel inspired me to do this.
I’ve been playing the La Golf AXS red graphites in my irons for a while now. The comments at the end fit why I chose them. I actually needed a slightly higher ball flight but steeper decent angle and the stiffness of the graphite axs red got me the ball flight I wanted while still leaving the tip a bit softer to allow for the feel to still promote a hands-forward swing. The profiles you can get from graphite are more flexible and customizable, IMO. I am a fan.
I was thinking after seeing both shots that something needs to blend them both together because, although PX wasn’t optimized, it was consistent. Would love a follow up video if weight is added and how that changes the LA shaft to be as consistent as PX. Good video!
Drew is a beast. For those individual with his kind of "speed" yes the word "normal" has no place. That said, those two shafts each do serve a purpose. Should Drew even need to get such height in-order to have the desert angle so that it does "stop-on-a-dime" due to the balls angle of decent on very, very fast green...then he know what needs to be done. PGA Pro have to deals with such green on par 4's when hey are coming in from 215-225 yards and they need the ball to drop as if was a wedge coming in. It is vital to keep that in mind.
@@ericgomez6425 Since im 6'5 and am newer to the game (1 year practicing at driving range and played my first course last week lmao) I'm going to get one because my clubs are definitely not meant for someone my size. But yes my pockets will be hurtin lol
@@trashawnbritt4681 even if you just get a basic 7 iron fit and go from there you will be fine. I went to golftec, it was okay…been playing a year now and I shoot 85-90 from the tips. I do want to get a thorough fitting tho for every club
@@devincarter6005 I’m 6’3” and got fitted at club champion for irons and wedges and woods and today I got fitted for driver and putter. The irons alone change my game drastically for better. Can’t wait to get my driver. In the sim today it was light years ahead of my gamer. Irons: Oban, 1/2 inch up, 3 degrees up right. Driver: Callaway Rogue tripe Diamond/ Accra TZ RPG 472 M5+ and it goes far
I still have Modus in my irons but have been experimenting with graphite in wedges first. Steelfiber i95cw in two of them and Recoil 110 in the other one. I like the feel of the Recoil much better.
I get the same results when it comes to driver shafts. The “higher launch” shafts tend to launch lower for me and produce lower dynamic loft than the “low launch” shafts. I play Ventus Black 6x tipped .5” because it’s the only shaft that I time well and consistently strike. With the Ventus Blk my average peak height is 112; with Graphite Design IZ I can barely get to 80 feet peak height.
Interesting and listening to Drew, it was key that he knows exactly what is going to happen when he uses steel vs graphic. Lead me to a couple of quick questions. What would have been the results or should I say delta's, if Ian would have hit some balls. Would the launch angle and spin been that radically between the shafts. I suspect some differences but, not as big as Drew's. Which poses the summary thought of mine; Is steel or graphic better. I suspect depends on the player.
Great video on the comparison. Do you think this would apply across the board for other golfers? My irons spin a lot as well. My 6 iron gets into low 140 ball speed as well and literally will go 130+ feet in the air and would love to lower spin and height on all my irons as well!
The problem is no where stocks a variety of graphite iron shafts for you to try (UK). I play Project X LZ 5.5 hard stepped but I still launch the ball high, this shaft was the most consistent for me. I hit a lot of balls a suffer with joint pain, if I was to re-shaft a 6 or 7 iron, what graphite shafts should I try ? I would like to ideally bring the ball flight down.
He was hitting the PX LS very solid and straight. Delofting his irons several more degrees would be an option with the PX LS. I'm guessing that's why Bryson plays such strong lofts. The problem with that is getting irons that are 4-5 degrees strong with correct CG and sole grind. Very interesting. Edit. Just got to the part where he talks about Bryson's lofts.
Amazing video guys! This is one more reason why I always stress to my buddies.. GET FITTED! Compliments to Drew on his beautiful swing. Something to strive for.
Another great video exploring the properly technical stuff others daren’t touch 😉 I have to say, though that - as Drew admitted towards the end - he hit the PX so much better and straighter than the graphite so perhaps there’s scope to further improve the graphite set-up? Personally, I’d love to be able to hit a 6 iron 200 yards and have the ball touch the stratosphere on the way.
Just got my hands on a used set of Mizuno irons with the LAGP L Series shafts and they are phenomenal! I am now looking at purchasing two more sets of shafts to replace the KBS and DGs in my Srixon ZX7s and Wilson CBs. Can't ever have enough clubs, right?
Interesting outcome. Steel seems more consistent I have to say. Small sample size though. Also 64 degree lie on a 6 iron, quite upright traditionally, but I admit more upright feels better and I wasted a lot of time trying to stay flatter through impact.
Did you go through a club builder to have the shafts replaced? The only thing I’m confused/caught up on at this point is getting the total weight of each club normalized
As others have said the steel was a better shaft. Seems the head is the problem. He needs a less lofted head but with the same bounce and shape of a standard head. I would think 2 degrees. Bending the hosel doesn't fix it. Even though you're a big fitting company you're still limited by what the major manufacturers are willing to offer. I don't think you guys got this right but it's still interesting and great to watch. This is why club fitting is still a fair way off being 100%.
Hey boys! Love the content and everything you do, I know you like feedback and I just wanted to say something about microphones/volumes in your video’s. I don’t know if it’s just my tv but whenever I watch your video’s the volume is pretty low. May be something for the editing team to look at 👍
I had elbow issues 3 years ago so went to Aerotech i110 and eventually FC115 shafts. Elbow started feeling better so when I ordered my newest set of irons I ordered them with PXLZ shafts which is what I was in before. Nope. Can't go back.
I switched to graphite for injury reasons and will never go back also used to hit my steel shafts very high and now my trajectory is so much more useable.
Hey guys! This is another awesome video but I was wondering if you could discuss club length and how it pertains to fittings. Is a standard length shaft appropriate for basically all players? Also, what data are you using to determine what’s appropriate for a player? Mahalo, and I look forward to more of your videos.
Funny how Ian mentioned the Ping findings on better players and softer shafts.... it's similar to what you will sometimes here with Driver face control... For right handers with a right miss, some people will tell you to address the ball (or adjust the hosel) with an open face, as opposed to a closed face, because the brain and body will intuitively act to help shut it even more... In this case the softer shaft helps the player by them "feeling" it's loading too much, and holding onto it that little bit longer to influence dynamics... WILD
Learned quite a bit, thanks. My swing improvements and knowledge has increased tremendously, so my next fitting I’ll be prepared and not let the fitter have his way. Plus I’ll be sure to get all of my fitting numbers and take them with me.
I went from DGx7 to MM125TX. The only steel I’d ever entertain in the near future would be back in the wedges. T100 heads of anyone cares. 124 driver SS. My 6 iron is 100 give or take
Is there anything else available comparable to these LA golf shafts? Would the MMT125TX shafts provide similar lowering of dynamic loft and spin for someone like Drew? I also struggle with balloning balls on full swings with irons, so this shows I should maybe go towards graphite.
The MMT 125 tx plays almost identical to a PX 6.5. I didn’t find them to reduce spin much at all over the stiffer steel profiles. They are smoother, but didn’t alter launch angle much for me either. I play PX LS 6.5 now and they brought down all launch angles like 1-1.5 degrees I will be trying the LAGP , at least one shaft in 6i to try
My daughter swings her 7Iron at 72mpg and recently got fitted for graphite shafts 95g recoil F3. I wonder where she will go as she gets faster? What is the longevity of this shaft for her?
ive been fitted twice into graphite shafts since 2019 but unfortunately refused to wait the 3-4 months on those particular shafts. silly move considering it was night and day difference for me personally in favour of the graphite
Not anywhere near Drew's speed, but am also looking to try graphite in my new irons. Have to do some testing to see about MMT or recoil or whatever else I guess....
Regular steel vs Stiff graphite shafts. Is their stiffness pretty much the same? I'm a newbie to the sport, just a little over two months. With regards to shafts, I currently have irons with Steel Regular flex shafts. Although the label on the shafts say S FLEX so not sure if I'm really swinging a Regular flex. But anyway, I'm thinking of changing to lighter Graphite shafts because of my slow swing speed and a bit of hand & shoulder pain, but I'm not sure what Flex would suit me better - Regular or Stiff? I'm thinking since graphite is a softer shaft already than steel, maybe Regular would be too soft or whippy so I'm leaning towards Stiff for a graphite shaft. I do have Stiff shafts for my driver & 3wood which I'm fine with. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance
Question is, is this gonna be as available as an X100 for example any time soon? Without it breaking the bank? This is eye opening for me, I play X7’s and still struggle to keep flight down some days.
Funny though Drew was more consistent and the shot tracker was dead straight every time. Looks like something in the middle of both of these would be perfect.
The difference between the shafts is ball flight (launch angle and peak height), not distance. The steel shaft would be almost unplayable for Drew in windy conditions (or he’d have to get very creative with knock down shots)
What a talent for sure, does he play pro golf. I swing it much slower than Drew and have made a living from golf for more than 40 years. Golf is more than swing speed.
I would’ve like to see some off speed shots and see how the graphite shafts compare to steel… not as good I suspect. We all know scratch golfers don’t hit 100% all out shots with every club and graphite has a tendency to really perform differently with partial speed shots from my experience.
why do i swing my 6 iorn 103 and my driver 120....124 legit swinging out of my shoes, stock is 118.... i am not fit for my irons or driver, but my numbers are near where they need to be when i dial back driver is at 2800 6 iron is at 6000. something is off
I've extended my clubs another inch so I'm 1.5 over standard, I was thinking I need to get graphite shafts maybe 20 grams less than my 120s to compensate for the heavier swing weight of D5.5 that im at now. thoughts?
Shaft weight does not necessarily relate directly to swingweight. Swingweight is dictated by the balance point of the shafts. I have a set with 95g Fujikura Pro Iron shafts in Tour S that swingweight higher than another set with 130g Modus 125 X flex.
Because Drew generates so much speed that the extra 1000-1500rpm of spin create havoc when there is wind present. I swing my 6i 101-102mph and I can feel his pain even with my shower speed. No need for the ball to apex at 140’ if there is plenty of decent angle with 110-120’ apex Wind has a huge effect on a ball with extra spin
Can someone explain to me how as Ian put it at 10:32 that the steel shaft does “the same thing dynamically every time” isn’t the winner here? While Drew’s graphite shaft is causing a horrible pull hook? Then he chuckles in disgust as his steel shaft strikes go down the middle albeit 10-15y shorter. What am I missing here?
His launch and spin are dramatically higher with the steel. He may be better off with steel its debatable but He hates that floaty high spin shot. He mentions it at least 11x a video lol.
Two things, 1. It’s never the distance that matters. It’s the height and spin. A 150 foot peak height with 7k+ spin is unplayable in anything but perfect conditions. 2. It was VERY difficult for me to switch back and forth between the two clubs. The more I hit the steal, the more challenging it got to hit my normal club.
Thanks Drew for the reply! Saw you on BBG, good stuff as well. Whatever you choose to play is up to you. All I’m saying is that you were striping it with the steel shafts! Best to you! Keep the content coming. Envy your speed!
@@get2steve oh no I don’t take any of this poorly. The shot tracer on film didn’t do the ball flight justice at all. In person the steel was so high it’s laughable. It didn’t come across as well on screen as it did in person
I did too, until I saw it in person. That’s why when we were indoors I turned our screens off so Drew couldn’t see the result. I was shocked to see such a difference.
The problem with most watching is the price. None of us can afford to change shafts in our clubs. Hell, we can't even afford good clubs period, much less ones with custom shafts! My clubs were bought in 1998 with steel shafts, and besides the recent grip change, are just like they were factory fresh. I wish companies made clubs at a more reasonable price so more people could afford to buy clubs. It is absolutely ridiculous to spend 1500 bucks on a full set of used clubs, just to be able to play.
Cool video but not sure about this one. No need to swing a 6i 105-108 mph and 95% of players (amateurs of course) can’t anyway. I understand to launch and spin was higher with the steel. But his dispersion was better with the steel (in this video at least).
Where can I get these shafts? My swing speed is up there. 137-140 mph with my drive. 200mph balls speed on GcQuad, same for Flight scope. My iron swing speed is crazy too and I balloon the ball.
@@NettechZelkova No, rebar is what Bryson used, so I suppose the closest thing to that available on the site is the Bryson signature series shaft, but that's only available in one length it seems
Drew, Thank you for your reply. As I said I love the channel but: Drew Cooper 152 mph Mac Boucher 115-120 Matty 125 Ian 115-120 Marques Brownlee 120 Ryan Barath 111 Pga average 115 Average male golfer around 100. But age 60+ 50th percentile is 93 Most of the demo guys I listed are above pga tour average. If that is your target market then more power to you!
@@ianfrasergolf Thank you for taking the time to reply. Great channel and I have learned a lot. Yes those you mention are more relatable. I am sure there are still things to be learned by the high swing speed players, maybe I am alone in relating more to Mike's speed. As such I don't watch a 152 SS player video and feel like there is something in it for me as far as equipment guidance/ purchase. I do understand many might feel differently.
Love your channel and have learned a lot. But best demo guy is Mike: right handed and driver SS 100-105, matches your most common demographic. The semi-pros who are left handed or who have driver SS of 120+ seem like irrelevant testers of equipment for the average "Joe". Why do you often present guys like Drew and the others with SS > 115 to 120. I assume many are like me and like more relatable testers?
He really doesn’t, remember this is a sample size of about 8 shots we’re showing. He’s had months of playing golf with each and he MUCH prefers the graphite. At his speed you can’t add as much dynamic loft as he does and still control your ball.
This video was by far the best explanation of how the shaft influences delivery. I'll admit I was very skeptical especially given the huge discrepancy until the awhaw moment where Ian talked about how soft makes you want to keep your hands ahead because of how it feels. I've had that experience with a rental driver but that never dawned on me.
Guys, I think a great investment for the channel would be a slo mo video camera to capture the swing and especially the impact moment for better educational content. Just a suggestion from a subscriber. Keep up the great work!
Just goes to show you need to be custom fit properly, meaning you need to go an outfit with hundreds of shafts not just 3 or 4. I did this last year and have dropped from a 5 to 1 handicap. This channel inspired me to do this.
I’ve been playing the La Golf AXS red graphites in my irons for a while now. The comments at the end fit why I chose them. I actually needed a slightly higher ball flight but steeper decent angle and the stiffness of the graphite axs red got me the ball flight I wanted while still leaving the tip a bit softer to allow for the feel to still promote a hands-forward swing.
The profiles you can get from graphite are more flexible and customizable, IMO.
I am a fan.
I was thinking after seeing both shots that something needs to blend them both together because, although PX wasn’t optimized, it was consistent. Would love a follow up video if weight is added and how that changes the LA shaft to be as consistent as PX. Good video!
same! i would really like to see a follow up with the same consistency and great strike of the steel shaft but the control of the graphite.
Crazy how consistent he was with the Steel shaft tho. Didn’t miss the middle of the face once
Drew is a beast. For those individual with his kind of "speed" yes the word "normal" has no place. That said, those two shafts each do serve a purpose. Should Drew even need to get such height in-order to have the desert angle so that it does "stop-on-a-dime" due to the balls angle of decent on very, very fast green...then he know what needs to be done. PGA Pro have to deals with such green on par 4's when hey are coming in from 215-225 yards and they need the ball to drop as if was a wedge coming in. It is vital to keep that in mind.
Great review...never thought of getting Graphite Shafts in iron..Will test them out at my next club fitting...Thanks...
This makes me want to be professionally fitted to the T for every club😭
It definitely would help your game! Not your bank account though
@@ericgomez6425 Since im 6'5 and am newer to the game (1 year practicing at driving range and played my first course last week lmao) I'm going to get one because my clubs are definitely not meant for someone my size. But yes my pockets will be hurtin lol
@@trashawnbritt4681 even if you just get a basic 7 iron fit and go from there you will be fine. I went to golftec, it was okay…been playing a year now and I shoot 85-90 from the tips. I do want to get a thorough fitting tho for every club
@@trashawnbritt4681 I’m 6’3 and I feel the same way, been playing 9 months or so now. Going for my first driver fitting at the end of the month
@@devincarter6005 I’m 6’3” and got fitted at club champion for irons and wedges and woods and today I got fitted for driver and putter. The irons alone change my game drastically for better. Can’t wait to get my driver. In the sim today it was light years ahead of my gamer. Irons: Oban, 1/2 inch up, 3 degrees up right. Driver: Callaway Rogue tripe Diamond/ Accra TZ RPG 472 M5+ and it goes far
I switched out my KBS taper steel shafts for UST Mamiya recoil graphite...no looking back and about to re-shaft my wedges.
I still have Modus in my irons but have been experimenting with graphite in wedges first. Steelfiber i95cw in two of them and Recoil 110 in the other one. I like the feel of the Recoil much better.
Love watching Drew swing. I certainly will never go back to steel after switching to MMT 105TX. My club speed is only 92 though with a 6.
I've been eyeing the MMT 105TX. I had steelfiber i95 for a while. Do you know how they compare?
@@Mat_Scott I didn't like the feel of steelfiber as much as the mmt.
What steel shaft did you use prior to switching? I have that shaft coming in with a 7i attached, excited to try it
Been wanting to try these. I love my Aerotech FC 115s but everyone I know that's hit these MMTs are still hitting them.
@@TheVsa17 kbs c tape lite 110. Nice thing is the mmt weigh the same.
I get the same results when it comes to driver shafts. The “higher launch” shafts tend to launch lower for me and produce lower dynamic loft than the “low launch” shafts. I play Ventus Black 6x tipped .5” because it’s the only shaft that I time well and consistently strike. With the Ventus Blk my average peak height is 112; with Graphite Design IZ I can barely get to 80 feet peak height.
Interesting and listening to Drew, it was key that he knows exactly what is going to happen when he uses steel vs graphic. Lead me to a couple of quick questions. What would have been the results or should I say delta's, if Ian would have hit some balls. Would the launch angle and spin been that radically between the shafts. I suspect some differences but, not as big as Drew's. Which poses the summary thought of mine; Is steel or graphic better. I suspect depends on the player.
Great video on the comparison. Do you think this would apply across the board for other golfers? My irons spin a lot as well. My 6 iron gets into low 140 ball speed as well and literally will go 130+ feet in the air and would love to lower spin and height on all my irons as well!
The problem is no where stocks a variety of graphite iron shafts for you to try (UK). I play Project X LZ 5.5 hard stepped but I still launch the ball high, this shaft was the most consistent for me. I hit a lot of balls a suffer with joint pain, if I was to re-shaft a 6 or 7 iron, what graphite shafts should I try ? I would like to ideally bring the ball flight down.
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My only question is, did Drew retrieve his Chrome Soft balls from the range? 😆😉
Wow. Great information. Seeing the shot tracer with the data for both shaft is crazy different.
He was hitting the PX LS very solid and straight. Delofting his irons several more degrees would be an option with the PX LS. I'm guessing that's why Bryson plays such strong lofts. The problem with that is getting irons that are 4-5 degrees strong with correct CG and sole grind. Very interesting.
Edit.
Just got to the part where he talks about Bryson's lofts.
Amazing video guys! This is one more reason why I always stress to my buddies.. GET FITTED! Compliments to Drew on his beautiful swing. Something to strive for.
Another great video exploring the properly technical stuff others daren’t touch 😉
I have to say, though that - as Drew admitted towards the end - he hit the PX so much better and straighter than the graphite so perhaps there’s scope to further improve the graphite set-up?
Personally, I’d love to be able to hit a 6 iron 200 yards and have the ball touch the stratosphere on the way.
Would hard-stepping the steel shafts help get him in a lower window? It looks like his strikes were better with steel than graphite.
So good. Wish i could find a club fitter with the kind of knowledge you guys have
Thank you guys for the graphite iron shaft video 🙏🙏 are you going to be offering the L-series for fittings?
Just got my hands on a used set of Mizuno irons with the LAGP L Series shafts and they are phenomenal! I am now looking at purchasing two more sets of shafts to replace the KBS and DGs in my Srixon ZX7s and Wilson CBs. Can't ever have enough clubs, right?
Interesting outcome. Steel seems more consistent I have to say. Small sample size though. Also 64 degree lie on a 6 iron, quite upright traditionally, but I admit more upright feels better and I wasted a lot of time trying to stay flatter through impact.
Agree with Drew. Switched to MMT125TX under Ian’s recommendation on a TXG livestream Q&A. Never going back to steel.
Did you go through a club builder to have the shafts replaced? The only thing I’m confused/caught up on at this point is getting the total weight of each club normalized
@@TheVsa17 Yep. Mike at TXG built them up for me. They swingweight a bit heavier than expected but that's just the nature of the MMT's.
As others have said the steel was a better shaft. Seems the head is the problem. He needs a less lofted head but with the same bounce and shape of a standard head. I would think 2 degrees. Bending the hosel doesn't fix it. Even though you're a big fitting company you're still limited by what the major manufacturers are willing to offer. I don't think you guys got this right but it's still interesting and great to watch. This is why club fitting is still a fair way off being 100%.
Hey boys!
Love the content and everything you do, I know you like feedback and I just wanted to say something about microphones/volumes in your video’s. I don’t know if it’s just my tv but whenever I watch your video’s the volume is pretty low. May be something for the editing team to look at 👍
I had elbow issues 3 years ago so went to Aerotech i110 and eventually FC115 shafts. Elbow started feeling better so when I ordered my newest set of irons I ordered them with PXLZ shafts which is what I was in before. Nope. Can't go back.
I switched to graphite for injury reasons and will never go back also used to hit my steel shafts very high and now my trajectory is so much more useable.
Hey guys! This is another awesome video but I was wondering if you could discuss club length and how it pertains to fittings. Is a standard length shaft appropriate for basically all players? Also, what data are you using to determine what’s appropriate for a player? Mahalo, and I look forward to more of your videos.
Funny how Ian mentioned the Ping findings on better players and softer shafts.... it's similar to what you will sometimes here with Driver face control... For right handers with a right miss, some people will tell you to address the ball (or adjust the hosel) with an open face, as opposed to a closed face, because the brain and body will intuitively act to help shut it even more... In this case the softer shaft helps the player by them "feeling" it's loading too much, and holding onto it that little bit longer to influence dynamics... WILD
Any plans to test & review the Dynamic Gold Mid X100 Tour Issue Shafts?
Learned quite a bit, thanks. My swing improvements and knowledge has increased tremendously, so my next fitting I’ll be prepared and not let the fitter have his way. Plus I’ll be sure to get all of my fitting numbers and take them with me.
Great video! I love the era of golf technology that we live in and the fact that there's a shaft solution for basically any golfer.
I'm takingbthe px all day. Stops on a dime, nice decent angle. Flushed them
All i got to say is, he was very accurate and consistent with the steel shaft. Maybe he should try to tweak the shaft or the head.
Curious if there were any difference for mid handicappers?
Interesting to see the dramatic difference a shaft can make. To what extent could a different head with the steel shaft improve matters for Drew?
I went from DGx7 to MM125TX. The only steel I’d ever entertain in the near future would be back in the wedges. T100 heads of anyone cares. 124 driver SS. My 6 iron is 100 give or take
Is there anything else available comparable to these LA golf shafts? Would the MMT125TX shafts provide similar lowering of dynamic loft and spin for someone like Drew? I also struggle with balloning balls on full swings with irons, so this shows I should maybe go towards graphite.
The MMT 125 tx plays almost identical to a PX 6.5. I didn’t find them to reduce spin much at all over the stiffer steel profiles. They are smoother, but didn’t alter launch angle much for me either. I play PX LS 6.5 now and they brought down all launch angles like 1-1.5 degrees
I will be trying the LAGP , at least one shaft in 6i to try
@@RickyBubby281 thanks, guess mmt is off the table then. Just ordered Mizuno's with LS 6.5s
Great vid!
Quick question: what if deloft 6 iron head with steel shaft?
Man his "moon balls" look like a gorgeous flight to me haha
122mph clubhead speed with a 6 iron lol.....I can't even get anywhere near that with a driver never mind a 6 iron
Don’t measure we’re all built different, and it’s always been how many! Drew is a flipping athletic specimen that happens to play golf.
Definitely hitting the steel straighter though... lol
My daughter swings her 7Iron at 72mpg and recently got fitted for graphite shafts 95g recoil F3.
I wonder where she will go as she gets faster?
What is the longevity of this shaft for her?
ive been fitted twice into graphite shafts since 2019 but unfortunately refused to wait the 3-4 months on those particular shafts.
silly move considering it was night and day difference for me personally in favour of the graphite
Not anywhere near Drew's speed, but am also looking to try graphite in my new irons. Have to do some testing to see about MMT or recoil or whatever else I guess....
Regular steel vs Stiff graphite shafts. Is their stiffness pretty much the same? I'm a newbie to the sport, just a little over two months. With regards to shafts, I currently have irons with Steel Regular flex shafts. Although the label on the shafts say S FLEX so not sure if I'm really swinging a Regular flex. But anyway, I'm thinking of changing to lighter Graphite shafts because of my slow swing speed and a bit of hand & shoulder pain, but I'm not sure what Flex would suit me better - Regular or Stiff? I'm thinking since graphite is a softer shaft already than steel, maybe Regular would be too soft or whippy so I'm leaning towards Stiff for a graphite shaft. I do have Stiff shafts for my driver & 3wood which I'm fine with. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance
Where do they do fittings for LA golf shafts ? I can’t find any in Norcal/socal
Looks like Drew was finishing with higher hands on the steel shafts. Looked like he put a slightly different swing on these tbh. Very slight tho!
Can you give more of an idea of why the 1/4" difference in length is present and how you guys measure differently than the tour truck?
Because there’s no industry “standard” of lengths
@@tylerhawk5627 That’s well understood. I mean how exactly they’re measured respectively.
Question is, is this gonna be as available as an X100 for example any time soon? Without it breaking the bank? This is eye opening for me, I play X7’s and still struggle to keep flight down some days.
It seems like he was more consistent with the PX. Are the LAGOLF shafts too light for him?
He’s an absolute weapon
I’m keeping my eyes peeled to see Ian review the Miura km 700s!
Funny though Drew was more consistent and the shot tracker was dead straight every time. Looks like something in the middle of both of these would be perfect.
Decent video, although the first two were very similar! And with the “gamer” ball it showed that they were almost identical
The difference between the shafts is ball flight (launch angle and peak height), not distance. The steel shaft would be almost unplayable for Drew in windy conditions (or he’d have to get very creative with knock down shots)
@@lindsaynewell6319 haha not if he didn’t swing up at the ball like he did with steel while swinging level with the graphite 🤭
What a talent for sure, does he play pro golf. I swing it much slower than Drew and have made a living from golf for more than 40 years. Golf is more than swing speed.
I would’ve like to see some off speed shots and see how the graphite shafts compare to steel… not as good I suspect. We all know scratch golfers don’t hit 100% all out shots with every club and graphite has a tendency to really perform differently with partial speed shots from my experience.
Great video! 👍🏼
What are you guys doing at the Pulpit range?
why do i swing my 6 iorn 103 and my driver 120....124 legit swinging out of my shoes, stock is 118.... i am not fit for my irons or driver, but my numbers are near where they need to be when i dial back driver is at 2800 6 iron is at 6000. something is off
I would love the read the research paper Drew talked about, can someone share it or tell me the name of the paper?
that's pretty wild.
I have 95 club speed with 6 and hit it really high. Would going graphite help me or does it not translate to everyone?
The moral of the story is...Get fitted.
What have you found is the lowest spin driver shaft?
Is it just me or are the PX shots way more useful on an actuall course assuming it is not insanely windy?
Exactly 👍
Can i come on the show for a fitting?
I've extended my clubs another inch so I'm 1.5 over standard, I was thinking I need to get graphite shafts maybe 20 grams less than my 120s to compensate for the heavier swing weight of D5.5 that im at now. thoughts?
Shaft weight does not necessarily relate directly to swingweight. Swingweight is dictated by the balance point of the shafts. I have a set with 95g Fujikura Pro Iron shafts in Tour S that swingweight higher than another set with 130g Modus 125 X flex.
Why would you want to hit a lower and longer mid iron on an approach shot or par 3 ?
Because Drew generates so much speed that the extra 1000-1500rpm of spin create havoc when there is wind present. I swing my 6i 101-102mph and I can feel his pain even with my shower speed. No need for the ball to apex at 140’ if there is plenty of decent angle with 110-120’ apex
Wind has a huge effect on a ball with extra spin
Can someone explain to me how as Ian put it at 10:32 that the steel shaft does “the same thing dynamically every time” isn’t the winner here? While Drew’s graphite shaft is causing a horrible pull hook? Then he chuckles in disgust as his steel shaft strikes go down the middle albeit 10-15y shorter.
What am I missing here?
His launch and spin are dramatically higher with the steel. He may be better off with steel its debatable but He hates that floaty high spin shot. He mentions it at least 11x a video lol.
Two things,
1. It’s never the distance that matters. It’s the height and spin. A 150 foot peak height with 7k+ spin is unplayable in anything but perfect conditions.
2. It was VERY difficult for me to switch back and forth between the two clubs. The more I hit the steal, the more challenging it got to hit my normal club.
@@D_cooper86 Thanks for clearing that up Drew, good info to know.
Thanks Drew for the reply! Saw you on BBG, good stuff as well.
Whatever you choose to play is up to you. All I’m saying is that you were striping it with the steel shafts!
Best to you! Keep the content coming. Envy your speed!
@@get2steve oh no I don’t take any of this poorly. The shot tracer on film didn’t do the ball flight justice at all. In person the steel was so high it’s laughable. It didn’t come across as well on screen as it did in person
drew missed a lot with his gamer but flushed every shot with the px ls.
I find it very hard to believe that the launch angle changed that much from a shaft change. Maybe if it was a degree or two, but not 5...
I did too, until I saw it in person. That’s why when we were indoors I turned our screens off so Drew couldn’t see the result. I was shocked to see such a difference.
The problem with most watching is the price. None of us can afford to change shafts in our clubs. Hell, we can't even afford good clubs period, much less ones with custom shafts!
My clubs were bought in 1998 with steel shafts, and besides the recent grip change, are just like they were factory fresh.
I wish companies made clubs at a more reasonable price so more people could afford to buy clubs. It is absolutely ridiculous to spend 1500 bucks on a full set of used clubs, just to be able to play.
Is that the only shaft on the market that would reduce his peak height that dramatically?
Cool video but not sure about this one. No need to swing a 6i 105-108 mph and 95% of players (amateurs of course) can’t anyway. I understand to launch and spin was higher with the steel. But his dispersion was better with the steel (in this video at least).
Where can I get these shafts? My swing speed is up there. 137-140 mph with my drive. 200mph balls speed on GcQuad, same for Flight scope. My iron swing speed is crazy too and I balloon the ball.
certified providers/fitters. they are very expensive.
LA golf website. 115$ per shaft. Drew said he uses the "5" flex
@@freddym6643 Thanks. Are these like the Texas Rebar that were supposed to come out? I know LA golf bought HOF and I use an HOF in my long drive shaft
@@NettechZelkova No, rebar is what Bryson used, so I suppose the closest thing to that available on the site is the Bryson signature series shaft, but that's only available in one length it seems
6-iron at 108 swing speed. If I hit 101 on my driver I feel like I'm doing pretty good.
If I hit 108 with a 6 iron, I'll be in the hospital!
Please test Taylormade P790 vs the New Cobra Forged Tec Irons. Very similar in design. Should be a great comparison. Thx. Mark
Hopefully TXG starts to carry LAGP. Their line up is legit
This is all fine and well, but how many amateur golfers swing a 6i at 108mph?
So consistent with the steel! 199-201 yards .. all over the place with graphite.. I’ll stick with steel
Drew, Thank you for your reply. As I said I love the channel but:
Drew Cooper 152 mph
Mac Boucher 115-120
Matty 125
Ian 115-120
Marques Brownlee 120
Ryan Barath 111
Pga average 115
Average male golfer around 100.
But age 60+ 50th percentile is 93
Most of the demo guys I listed are above pga tour average. If that is your target market then more power to you!
What about Ronnie, Cynthia, Lindsay, Mike etc all less than 100mph!!
@@ianfrasergolf Thank you for taking the time to reply. Great channel and I have learned a lot. Yes those you mention are more relatable. I am sure there are still things to be learned by the high swing speed players, maybe I am alone in relating more to Mike's speed. As such I don't watch a 152 SS player video and feel like there is something in it for me as far as equipment guidance/ purchase. I do understand many might feel differently.
Ended up watching Drew's graphite vs steel iron shaft video in full. And learned something despite his markedly different swing speed. Thanks.
I have had five low back surgeries and I can’t play steel shafts. I love my graphite shafted irons. I will not go back to steel.
I don’t believe for a second his club head speed is 122mph. There are players on tour who swing their drivers that speed
As they mentioned in the video. That was an outlier, but the ball speed was probably correct at 140+.
He seemed to hit the steel shaft straighter though.
Didn't somebody once say that "shafts don't matter"🤣🤦♂️
You don't need to be a club fitter to see he hit the steel way more accurate. I'd like to know his stroke average too.
@txg - what do you think of the AF shaft for iron?
Almost 50ft lower with the LAG...
Love your channel and have learned a lot. But best demo guy is Mike: right handed and driver SS 100-105, matches your most common demographic. The semi-pros who are left handed or who have driver SS of 120+ seem like irrelevant testers of equipment for the average "Joe". Why do you often present guys like Drew and the others with SS > 115 to 120. I assume many are like me and like more relatable testers?
What about people that are faster? Just don’t do videos to help them out?
Yea I don’t hit my P7MBs 210 yards …
He hits the steel shaft so much better. I am sorry but he is.
He really doesn’t, remember this is a sample size of about 8 shots we’re showing. He’s had months of playing golf with each and he MUCH prefers the graphite. At his speed you can’t add as much dynamic loft as he does and still control your ball.
Wish you'd have touched on lofts too.
And the shaft doesn’t matter……. That’s just insane
He swings WAY too fast to be valuable to me.
Interesting but also not relevant to a bloke with a 70 mph 7 I swing speed. 🤔
It looked like you're having better control with the steel shaft than you did with the graphite shaft. And that is what I hear is the real difference.