Why CAN'T She-Ra appear in the Masters of the Universe Revelation & Revolution & Unnamed Trilogy?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2024
- We know Masters of the Universe: Revelation, the Netflix animated series that debuted in 2021, was designed as a trilogy. Hopefully its previous success carries over to its sophomore entry Masters of the Universe: Revolution (coming to Netflix early 2024), enough for Netflix to greenlight its yet to be titled third chapter shortly after its debut.
But the question that still remains for many fans, questions still asked of us all the time, is will She-Ra, He-Man's twin sister, appear in this Revelation trilogy?
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If they retold Secret of The Sword with today's animation I would be so excited my head would pop off!
Same here, I loved The Secret Of The Sword movie very much.
@@TheImaginator972 That movie is the definite pinnacle of the original Filmation era Masters of The Universe & Princess of Power: it's the magnum opus of the original MOTUPOP era ( which is the era that matters most and is most official, of course ).
I would love a retelling based on that series where Skeletor is confirmed to be Randor's brother.
@@gibranlewis7300 And it has a very awesome opening song.
Hope the last scene in Revolution made you scream.
We need that MOTU family reunion.
Imagining the family gathering. Especially if you throw foster dad Hordak, and Uncle Skeletor into the mix.
But, seriously, I really want that Eternian reunion to finally happen. If I had the rights to She-Ra, I'd go for it.
I mean, even Marvel and Sony worked something out with Spiderman.
Just imagine it. Adam/He-Man with Teela, Adora/She-Ra with either Sea Hawk (1985 Filmation series) or Catra (2018 LGBTQ+ Netflix reboot), foster dad Hordak (hopefully the reformed 2018 LGBTQ+ Netflix reboot version [thank you, Entrapta], since none of the Horde baddies were redeemed in the 1985 Filmation series), autistic mad scientist auntie Entrapta (2018 LGBTQ+ Netflix reboot version), uncle Keldor/Skeletor, King Randor & Queen Marlena, etc.
Correct
I think it will happen
Skeletor really is their Uncle. Uncle Kaldor revealed in 2002.
We need He-man and She-ra together, they need to find some solution
At this point to pull that off they gotta open a portal to a alternate universe, they reset the timeline from He-Man and erased She-Ra no matter which of the 2 She-Ras they pull into the MOTU:RE timeline she would not be native to that universe.
Your comment is referring to this guy actually knows what he’s talking about.
Find a solution the solution is you don’t need to listen to this guy he doesn’t know shit.
That's right. They need each other
@@chomper720 No, they just actually follow the timeline set out by the ORIGINAL series. He-Man & Skeletor appeared in about 20% of the She-ra shows, and the He-Man & She-ra Secret of the sword movie is the greatest work of the entire original MOTUPOP era. Also, MOTU Classics, and many DC and Marvel comicbooks in the 2000s & 2010s feature the twins back together in their proper storyline, as do the Origins and Masterverse lines. Every story since has been derivative. The MOST official story, is the one where the twins are twins. It's also the version that had the most viewers, belongs to the original era, made the most money, is the most widely loved...
So, I just watched all 5 episodes. And guess what? 😉
She’s coming!! That was her in the end!
@omt4293 Yup, that was force captain Adora aka Despera.
@@NEWDOR1A yes….the REAL She-Ra will return! Not some woke wannabe She-Ra we got in that Netflix garbage series!
Spoliers for Revolution:
In Skeletor’s flashback as Hordak was leaving the palace room, he was holding something, and it was no doubt She-Ra
...not just that, but who shows up at the very end talking to Hordak about Horde Prime, while he's recovering in that tank of fluid.
Right! It's Literally an exact scene from Secret of the Swords episodes introducing She-Ra!😂
Bout to say, we are getting her in the new series, but it’s definitely going to way more serious and definitely an uphill battle for Marlyna and Adam than the sugar coated fluff we got as kids.
In that scene there are two overturned cribs. One with a green toy cat lying nearby and one with a toy unicorn.
@@NiblingoBazinga1975 dang I didn’t even see that detail. Thanks for the catch.
Yeah let's reunite the twins in an animated classic film and T.V. There is so much unresolved things and stories to tell. Fans been waiting.
Let's also get a live action film or movie.
Despite the fact that I love seeing He Man and She Ra together in action, I also know a lot well that the rights of her character are in another studio, which honestly hurts for us fans of MOTU. However, the chance is indeed there. It is possible for the reunion to happen, let's just hope that it'll come someday!
AJ, as always thanks for the info, much appreciated! Love your channel!
I'm not sure that's true. It's VERY convoluted. All copyrights list She-ra and all the related POP sub-toyline ( it's all properly MOTUPOP of course: og He-Man & She-ra are as official MOTUPOP as it gets, and Secret of The Sword is the pinnacle of og toy/filmation shows everything ) characters are property of Mattel, with She-ra & POP characters under license FROM Mattel to Classic Media
@@gibranlewis7300 The merchandise product line (toys [figures, dolls, playsets, etc.], character costumes, Funko Pop vinyl figurines, clothes, and basically any marketable item you can slap the IP onto to be promoted by culture aficionado websites like 80stees, Red Bubble, Threadless & even physical stores like Spencer's or Hot Topic [which used to just be the untraditional "goth" store], etc.) may be owned by Mattel across the entire MOTUPOP brand, but the film & TV rights (and this includes online streaming shows, too) are tied up with Sony Pictures (He-Man) & Dreamworks (She-Ra), even though Dreamworks (which is owned by NBC/Universal) actually acquired the Filmation back catalog to both the OG _He-Man_ & _She-Ra_ shows outright.
Masters of the Universe Reunion! Make it so Mattel and Dreamworks!
Honestly, as a long time fan of both series, I think it would be awesome if He-Man and She-Ra were to be reunited after SO LONG. Its been ages since they fought Skeletor and Hordak together. And I think that should happen again for old time's sake.
Indeed! And someone in our community wonderfully recommended that title should be called:
Masters of the Universe: Reunion
Next season, she will be there!
Oh I cross my figures that Adora/She-Ra will appear in "Masters Of The Universe: Revolution" because you know Hordak will be coming, I love the brother-sister relationship between He-Man and She-Ra very much, If anything I hope Kevin Smith would think about it bringing back She-Ra into his MOTU Revolution series. 🤞🏼
To use the title lyrics of Mr. McMahon's theme, this has got "No Chance in Hell". Sony Pictures has its grip tight on _He-Man_ as an television & film franchise. Similarly, Dreamworks -- which is owned by NBC/Universal -- has full TV & film distribution rights to the _She-Ra_ characters, thanks to its absorption of Filmation Studios (the original animation house for the original _He-Man_ & _She-Ra_ '80s cartoons).
The only character that can be used across both sibling franchises is Hordak, since he first started as a _He-Man_ villain originally (hence, why his figures were in the MOTU packaging & have more playability than the original She-Ra dolls that used the standard Barbie mold, thereby making them practically impossible to pose & because they also had fabric outfits & synthetic hair meant to be brushed or combed, they weren't really designed for battle-play, which is exactly why the recent action figures of She-Ra/Adora are much better than the originals, even if the only one that is the best of both worlds is actually the pricey Dreamworks She-Ra, since she has the synthetic hair & fabric outfits [she is in her She-Ra battle outfit originally, but has her former Horde uniform as a backup outfit if you want to change her from She-Ra to Adora] of the Barbie mold original [however, unlike the original She-Ra dolls that just included a removable tiara, if I recall correctly, Dreamworks She-Ra comes equipped with both She-Ra & Adora head sculpts with synthetic hair that can be swapped between each other] but also has articulated flexibility that's perhaps better than the Masterverse She-R action figure, since she can mount Swift Wind no problem, whereas the original She-Ra dolls use Barbie style body parts so they can't really move much & the Masterverse She-Ra is an actual action figure with a good-to-great amount of articulation, but is still wobbly whenever put on Swift Wind) before getting moved over to be the main antagonist for _She-Ra_ when her show began.
The thing is, Hordak was redeemed in the 2018 Netflix reboot ('cause Entrapdak became a thing), so if Hordak were to show up, it would have to be entirely separated from the Netflix cartoon, just as the purported live action _She-Ra_ movie or next TV series is expected to be. Nonetheless, here's to hoping live action _She-Ra_ won't turn out as bad as the live action _Masters of the Universe_ film starring Dolph Lundgren (the Russian villain from the _Rocky_ movies) as Adam/He-Man.
The concerning matter is, the 2018 Netflix _She-Ra_ has both fervent fans & bull-headed detractors. The fans of it would want to see some aspects of it permanently etched into the She-Ra mythos (such as maybe making Catradora [Yes, I know, it's toxic from seasons 2-4, but Catra gets a "redemption" arc in season 5, not to mention that ND Stevenson had planned Catradora to be endgame ever since the first episode in spite of how self-destructive Catra is throughout the series once Adora switches sides to join the Rebellion as the vessel for the legacy mantle of She-Ra] canon across the board going forward, since in the original 1985 animated series from Filmation, Adora/She-Ra X Sea Hawk was the canon ship, because the intellectual property as a whole at that time didn't directly cater to or even readily acknowledge the LGBTQ+ community and only featured white & black good VS evil morality with no shades of gray whatsoever, aside from the fact that the various members of the Horde all collectively resented each other & even the broken student-to-teacher dynamic of Skeletor and Hordak were at odds whenever they crossed paths when, logically, the villains should've combined their forces to ensure the sibling heroes' ultimate downfall before turning on each other), whereas those who deride it would rather it fall into a pit of obscurity never to be brought up again.
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh It's VERY convoluted. All copyrights list She-ra and all the related POP sub-toyline ( it's all properly MOTUPOP of course: og He-Man & She-ra are as official MOTUPOP as it gets, and Secret of The Sword is the pinnacle of og toy/filmation shows everything ) characters are property of Mattel, with She-ra & POP characters under license FROM Mattel to Classic Media
What I read previously someone else has rights to She-Ra under She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (that abomination). Hopefully, they can get around this
@@gibranlewis7300 Nobody that watched "She-Ra Princess of Power" wants to see the Dreamworks She-Ra crossover with Kevins MOTU revelation series. So the problem is likely, dreamworks would refuse letting them create a new SHe-Ra which would likely put their version to shame.
@@nworder4life However it was worked out, whether by a deal with Dreamworks or by Mattel using loopholes that just go around the She-ra name, she's in motu revolution in her Despara alias, and they do a near to perfect recreation of the abduction of baby Princess Adora from her and Prince Adam's nursery in Skeletor's flashback scene, literally in the center of the central episode of the miniseries.
I would love to see the Twins of Power together again. They make an awesome team, and they have excellent brother/sister synergy.
Hordak was shown in a flashback battling King GreySkull in the 02 He-Man cartoon
Yeah, originally if they had a season 3 of the 2002 He-Man She-Ra was going to be in it
You ask me She ra is as integral to He-man's lore as everything else in the line up of characters. Hope they eventually get her into the Kevin Smith works
Of course she is, she's his sister
Well they would but I'm pretty sure she would wind up being woke
True@@leonarddement3432 . Theye'd butcher Adora's character like they did Teela.
@@bronykingamethystrain5676 They already butchered Adora's character in the new Netflix series of She-Ra when they made her gay and wearing boy short and whatever other issues their were with it, don't get me wrong I have no issues with the LGTB community, but in order for it to make it work in cartoons, movies, and other TV shows, you need to do in the right kind of way, but still keep it within the canon format, Adora and Seahawk's relationship is similar to that of Leia and Han's relationship, that's what people like about their relationship, even though you don't see Adora calling Seahawk a Scruffy looking Nurf Herder, but still, you need make these kind of things work out, not just throw in there and hope it turns out good.
Yeah, I don't like how they've been pushing "Butch" She-Ra for the last few years. Everybody knows she and Bow are endgame.
God, I love and miss these old shows. He-Man and She-Ra were among my ‘80s favorite entertainment.
It sucks that they are separated. I hate it!
Oh, I think she will be in the next season. If you haven't seen this season of He-man you should and you'll come to the same conclusion.
They need to be together! Imagine how she ra would look in ths cartoon! I never knew this was a problem! They can work it out! I feel ths will happen! Maybe not soon but later!
The Netflix series is a sequel to the 80's cartoon. Of course She Ra and Etheria will appear at some point.
I've been reflecting a lot ever since i saw this video and since i began to watch the filmation She-ra cartoon, yet i still yet to watch the Netflix She-ra if i consider it, but in the end i was thinking about something in specific.
There are 2 controversial things i will say, the 1st one being as much as i like She-ra to join He-man once again it's alright if she didn't and had her own legacy shown to more different audiences, the netflix/DreamWorks She-ra certainly did a good work attracting an audience, I'm glad for that audience to have enjoyed that show when it lasted and I'm sure if there was another take on She-ra, perhaps there is no need to have He-man part of it's lore.
Now the second controversial thing is this... I don't need a new show, movie or comics to have She-ra battle alongside He-man, why is that? Simple, because i rather have my imagination to have that, no, i don't mean anything like "if it were up to me I'd make a sequel, reboot or whatsoever", if anything i just would simply use my imagination for fun only, i don't need to make a movie, cartoon or comics to prove my love for both He-Man and She-ra, all i have is my interest for the filmation shows, my dedication to draw fan art for both shows and my collecting hobby for the Masterverse figures.
Now i don't want anyone to get me wrong as i said that, I'm not saying the other shows that aren't filmation suck, they're good for those who love it and i respect them, like let's say for example is: if you like cartoon 1 better than cartoon 2 that's good, viceversa that's good, if you like both cartoons that's good and/or if you don't like neither cartoons that's good too, just as long as you don't give any hateful action to those who enjoy certain cartoons then we're all good.
Yeah sorry about that long to read comment, i just wanted to let anyone know my point, all i can say is i do hope this new season will be good for those who are looking forward to it.
"I'm not saying the shows that aren't Filmation suck"... of course you're not, who's saying that is me, and, as Lennon sings... "...I'm not the only one" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's kind of a bummer... But it's not too big of a loss. Between Skeletor, Adam, Teela, and Lyn, there's not really any room for She-ra in MOTU:R, especially now that we seem to be reaching the climax. Would be nice if she could make a cameo though.
Hordak had her in his arms in revolution, and she showed up when Jordan was in that tank thing healing from his fight with skeletech , now keldor again.
That the part they messed up. If this show is a continuation of original she should had already known her true identity as princess adora/she-ra. If they are allowed to finally use her they’re going to retell the she-ra origin again but she should already be who she supposed to be
Despera appeared in the post credits scene in Revolution. Despera is the name Hordak gave Adora in the Masters of the Universe Classics toy line and some of the comics over the last decade or so. Maybe they can't use Adora or She-Ra, but they're using Despera
This is problematic for the timeline. And I think you know why. In essence they must be following the timeline of the toy line and not the original cartoon series from the 80s. This becomes an alternate universe take.
Fantastic video man!
I like to be a optimist. We did get two avengers movies before we finally got Spider-Man so just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t, but this was a very informative video. And he does make a valid point Sony had everything to gain from a marvel Collab at the time.
It's not like there's this huge demand for He-Man, much less She-Ra, these 2 companies have no reason to even consider working out a deal.
They should be together in movies & TV
It is still annoying that the twin siblings Adam and Adora aka He-man and She-ra still can't be together on screen, but they have been seen together in books and comics. A deal needs to be made to reunite these two, that haven't been seen together since the 80s. We need He-man and She-ra to be together. Make it happen Mattel, DreamWorks, and Netflix!
They are at talks to some degree cause Mattel got to use Orko and DreamWorks got to use Hordak.
@@chomper720 Dreamworks got to use Hordak, because Hordak became She-Ra's arch-villain in the Filmation cartoon, whereas Catra was her rival, so that part of the _She-Ra_ lore (alongside a truncated version of the title character's origin of being kidnapped as an infant by Hordak to be taken to serve the Evil Horde stranded on Eternia's sister planet Etheria [which finds itself part of the pocket dimension of Despondos due to reasons that are further explained in due course as later seasons of the _She-Ra_ reboot were produced] until a joyride with Catra aboard a filched skiff saw Force Captain Adora stumble across the Sword of Protection embedded in a large boulder inside of a clearing found within the Whispering Woods & upon pulling it out King Arthur-style, artificial intelligence Light Hope implores Adora to become the new vessel for She-Ra [the mantle of a powerfully legendary female warrior who serves as Etheria's ultimate savior] by holding aloft the Sword of Protection & uttering the transformative phrase, "For the honor of Grayskull" [this is comparable to her big brother Adam saying "By the power of Grayskull, I have the power" to transform from his mild-mannered princely alter-ego to the ripped barbarian hero He-Man]) remains canon, even if Adam/He-Man (the big brother to Adora/She-Ra), Uncle Keldor who becomes the cackling skeletal arch-foe of He-Man known as "The Dark Lord of Destruction" Skeletor, the twin's biological parents King Randor & Queen Marlena, and even the mystically medieval Castle Grayskull itself cannot legally appear on the _She-Ra_ reboot (even though the terms "Eternia" [used as a pass code to unlock First One's technology] & "Grayskull" [used as the codename for a squadron of rebels who accompanied the She-Ra before Adora, named Mara, into battle against their First One's leaders] are still mentioned, nonetheless).
Of course, in the 2018 reboot made by ND Stevenson, both Hordak & Catra are redeemed, with Entrapdak (Entrapta X Hordak) & Catradora (Catra X Adora/She-Ra) being canon, whereas in the 1985 original, neither villain is redeemed. Particularly regarding Catra, however, certain episodes of the 1985 Filmation cartoon suggest that Adora/She-Ra enjoys teasing Catra to the point that therein lies as undertone of something more going on between the two of them, yet in spite of that dynamic (which became romantic in the reboot after 3 prior seasons of being at odds with each other, since I don't count the 1st season as Catra truly wanting to battle Adora/She-Ra, but merely seeing her friend's transformation into the fabled "Princess of Power" as a phase that Catra initially hoped Adora would forgo), Adora/She-Ra is instead paired with space pirate/smuggler Sea Hawk (Comparatively, as far the 2018 reboot is concerned, Sea Hawk is more flamboyant than macho, gives off vibes akin to Han Solo from _Star Wars_ & is in a back and forth romantic relationship with part-time mermaid Mermista, who is Etheria's sarcastically deadpan water princess).
@chomper720 No, Mattel can use Orko and Hordak because they had action figures in the 1980s. Hordak was a big part of the Masters of the Universe toyline and minicomics. That gave Mattel ownership of those characters. They only need permission from Universal to use the cartoon designs, because Dreamworks (which is owned by Universal) bought the rights to the Filmation library. The She-Ra cartoon and most of She-Ra's supporting cast were co-created by Filmation, which is why Mattel cannot freely make toys of them. They CAN use the toy version of She-Ra, because they copyrighted her back in the 80s.
The Twins of Power should be reunited. She-Ra’s chapter is an important part of the MOTU story.
Even without the legal rights to show her, they really should at least do a strong hint of Adora/She-Ra/Etheria's existence, even if it's just a symbolic symbol or interrupted piece of dialogue. SOMETHING... The absence of that at the end of her own Netflix show felt like a sadly wasted opportunity (especially with one of hte main themes in that being about a balance of cosmic forces).
No they rebooted it from after He-Man, so She-ra and new adventures did not happen in the revolution timeline. Hell DreamWork was not allowed to use Castle Grayskull or planet Eternia...
@@chomper720 Technically, they did.
The terms Eternia & Grayskull were still used, however the show runners had to find other uses for them other than what they truly are, such as having Eternia be a pass code to unlock First One's technology (and by proxy, reveal that Adora -- and thus, He-Man himself too, seeing as he's her big brother, after all -- is a descendant of the First Ones [a group of Eternians who settled sister planet Etheria several ages ago]) and have Grayskull be the codename for a group of rebels befriended by Mara (the She-Ra who preceded Adora over a thousand years ago) to go against their First One's leaders (perhaps this acts as a possible nod to King Randor's brother Keldor [in reality, he's actually a blue-skinned despot exiled from his own home world whom the all-too-trusting patriarch of Eternia formally adopted as his sibling, thus making him the twin's evil uncle] becoming the cackling Skeletor without name-dropping "The Dark Lord of Destruction" officially).
Likewise, Adora's origin of being an infant kidnapped from her true home by Hordak to serve The Horde on Etheria until she switches sides upon becoming the powerful legacy warrior She-Ra remains canon to the 2018 reboot, all the same, so Eternia (and thereby, Adam/He-Man & everyone else from the main MOTU lineup) and the mysterious Castle Grayskull can still speculatively exist without ever actually having a crossover between He-Man & She-Ra.
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh so why did the Dreamworks staff say they could not?
@@chomper720 Mainly, it has to do with the fact that Adam & Adora's home planet of Eternia & Castle Grayskull are more necessary to the _He-Man_ lore than they are to _She-Ra_ aside from their part in Adora's origin, however because the 2018 Netflix reboot of _She-Ra_ couldn't legally use Adam/He-Man on-screen (despite the fact that he's still the twin brother of Adora/She-Ra in all iterations, including those that can't include him due to the rights between the shared MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE brand being divvied up between Sony Pictures [He-Man] & Dreamworks [She-Ra]), the show runners for any iteration of _She-Ra_ that's made with the current arrangement in place have to find other uses for those things that can be used across both properties (Eternia & Grayskull), even though Mattel continues to own the merchandise product line for both Eternian siblings, which is how we're still able to get toys/collectibles that cover the entire gamete of the entire MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE brand featuring Adam/He-Man, Cringer/Battle Cat, cackling uncle Keldor/Skeletor, Panthor, Teela, The Sorceress -- in her 2nd incarnation, she's actually the current Teela's mother, who had Eternia's military tactician Man-at-Arms formally adopt her daughter & subsequently raise Teela as his own -- Orko, the Eternian monarchy King Randor & Queen Marlena as the royal parents of Adam & Adora, He-Man's other heroic allies such as birdman Stratos & impulsive muscle head Ram Man (who has recently been gender bent into Ram Mam instead), Skeletor's various underlings -- Beast Man, several Snake Men, Clawful, Trap Jaw, Two Bad, etc. -- as well as his female 2nd in command Evil Lyn, Hordak (in both red & blue variants), Adora/She-Ra, the rest of the Rebellion -- Queen Angella, King Micha, Glimmer, Bow (with or without owl-like sidekick Kowl, who made a small cameo in the 2018 _She-Ra_ reboot as a stuffed toy briefly seen in the bedroom Glimmer gave to Adora), Madame Razz (who is She-Ra's answer to Baba Yaga in the 2018 reboot as well as She-Ra's equivalent to Orko in her original 1985 design & overall kooky personality), Perfuma, Frosta, Spinerella, Netossa, Castaspella, etc. -- the Horde who begrudgingly work under Hordak -- Shadow Weaver/Light Spinner, Catra, Scorpia, Lonnie, Rogelio, & Kyle -- and of course, Entrapta, whose only side is to scientific achievement & technological advancement (nonetheless, the 2018 _She-Ra_ reboot made Entrapdak a thing), and of course the true villain of the series, Horde Prime, as the fascist creator of all the hive mind mentality clones who dutifully serve their master's will unless they're freed/broken by the good guys (Hordak & Wrong Hordak).
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh Yeah the show runner said they could not Use planet Eternia or Castle Grayskull, that is not the same as did not wanna use it. Plus She-Ra would been closer to the 80s one if they were allowed to and did not replace how the system worked completely? Either way I just hope we get some Dreamworks figures in Masterverse at this point.
is it just me or is the final character that appeared in Revolution, Despara?
Who is adora
Pretty sure they just teased her at the end of Ep 5 of Revolution.
Skeletor has a flashback during this season where he remembers his time with Hordak. There is a scene where Hordak is in what is probably the royal nursery, you see an infant which is probably Adam (or could be Adora) and then you see him escape through the window. You only see his back; but the positioning of his shoulder and arm is the same as uf someone were carrying a baby. I am pretty sure this was him taking Adora.
Then Ep 5 has an end scene where female warrior in Horder gear, two swords on her back, and a Hordak insoured helmet is reviving Hordak in a vat (similar to a bacta tank.) She removes her helmet; but we do not see her face.
I am pretty sure this is Adora.
Rights to MOTU and Princess of Power are tricky. Most of the Horde are technically MOTU characters; but the cartoon used them to buff up the POP ranks instead since MOTU was going into re-runs.
You wind up having to pay Mattel twice for rights to both...but the Horde are tied into the rights for both (except for the female villains.)
She Ra and He Man are a both grey in terms of including in each others adaptations. I am not exactly sure if either are just freely included in each other's deals...but there has to be a reason the Netflix She Ra series didn't use him, and why She Ra MOTU adaptations tend to be able to eventually use She Ra. To be fair; the team on Princesses of Power care more about quality than most production companies, and likely realized adding He Man (while it would have boosted ratings) would have overall hurt the narrative. They probably could have brought him in in the final season.
Kevin Smith is borrowing a lot from the actual plans for the original toyline. The Horde is being used as it was originally intended, and Teela is getting her arc as the Sorceress/Goddess as originally planned. Until the Barbie division took control of She Ra because they claimed domain of "Girl Toys", this is also closer to what was originally planned for her as well.
They have to appear together until Secret of the Sword came out I always thought Adam was an only child then I learn he has a twin sister only to learn Adora was kidnapped & taken to another world. There she was raised as Hordak's right hand woman unaware that she's not onlt the lost twin sister & princess of Eternia but she has a secret identity like her brother.
As much as I love She-Ra, here in Germany we had 37 super well made MOTU audioplays in the 80s. And they depicted the Horde on Eternia EXCELLENTLY. So I do think the Horde without Etheria and She-Ra can work perfectly. In the audioplays u just had the three different groups: Skeletor, Horde, snakemen. Sometimes they worked together, sometimes not.
I don’t like the Netflix show, bc it wants to be SO super serious, so that it totally looses character and fun imo. But if they get paid for a third season, yeah, at least end with the reunion of both siblings.
… Maybe „Reunion“ would be a good title. 😅
As usual, companies ruin the fans experience, like what happened when the X-Men got separated from the rest of the Marvel Universe
If animated She Ra is owned by another company then how on Earth in PoP animated series, Grayskull and Eternia were refferenced?
What I'm understanding is this restriction applies to animation and/or television. She-Ra was in the MOTU DC Comics series. Also, it makes me wonder if a live action movie franchise would be hampered by the same deal.
Why did Mattel give all the show rights to Filmation? That was such a dumb move!
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Because they did not think ahead, Midnights Edge made a very detailed guide on the fall of He-Man. Plus THEY MADE SHE-RA! They even own Orko zhich makes me think some characters was loaners, Hordak is in She-ra while Mattel got to use Orko in some sort of trade?
@@chomper720 Maybe Mattel owns grey skin Hordak and Dreamworks owns blue skin Hordak.
@@delirious2heart Well so how come they can use Orko when he was made by Filmation?
Filmation created the series to support the Mattel toy line originally. Nonetheless, Filmation (and not Mattel) always owned the animated part of the MOTU, whereas Mattel made the action figures, Barbie-molded dolls, and even children's costumes of the title characters that would've come equipped with foam or plastic weapons back in the day, however cancel culture/morality police/social interest groups/parental lobbyist organizations would likely have these props removed if the costumes were made nowadays to be marketed to kids rather than adult collectors.
@@chomper720 idunno! 😆
This is really sad i mean both are same universe it's like Marvel Disney and Sony with spiderman
There aren’t enough episodes. I finished the 2nd season in 2.5 hrs. We need way the hell more.
Its not "can't do" its "too cheap to pay the licence". They should not make a Hordak/Etheria setting till they could afford do this right.
Is Dreamworks selling tho? Or do they just care about the live show right now?
Say it LOUDER! I 100% agree, there is NO good excuse for not reuniting the twins. Take about $10 million of that $150 million Netflix was going to spend on a garbage live-action movie that was going to be way LESS accurate to the OG series than the 1987 live-action movie was, and spend it to iron out any license issues. It's VERY convoluted. All copyrights list She-ra and all the related POP sub-toyline ( it's all properly MOTUPOP of course: og He-Man & She-ra are as official MOTUPOP as it gets, and Secret of The Sword is the pinnacle of og toy/filmation shows everything ) characters are property of Mattel, with She-ra & POP characters under license FROM Mattel to Classic Media
I actually always wondered about this especially when it came to Hordak as he shows up in Both He-Man Netflix shows and the She-Ra one.
So did they have to get the Okay to use She-Ra in the DC comics of He-Man or is that part of the toy license?
Kodak actually was a he-man villain that they held back and then decided to give to Shira, but he did start out as a he-man villain, even with the toy company
Hordak aparece en Filmation donde tambien hace su aparicion She-ra y toda Etheria... por consiguiente la 3 ra parte de la saga deberia ser sin el y sun sequito... podrian contar la historia de Randor, Marlena ... hay un monton de personajes que aparecieron muy poco en las dos emisiones... Hordak=She-ra. Esperemos sedan derechos... la serie de She-ra de Netflix... es un puñal al corazon😢...
I really hate that the two are treated as separate unrelated series, I think that after the let down for the Master of the Universe, and in my opinion the crappy new She Ra series they BOTH could stand to benefit from a reunion of the charecters IF done right.
Just crappy? You're being too kind. It's an atrocity.
They’re totally leading up to She-ra in part 2. You should watch till the end of the episode 5
Though I admittedly never watched the show, From what I heard about it, I thought they should have worked something out to introduce He-Man and the MotU into a sixth season of Princesses of Power. Basically, bring in Teela, Duncan, a mortally wounded Adam, and a few others in as Eternian refugees after Skeletor has conquered Eternia, but not yet managed to open Grayskull.
The series would still keep Adora as the main character, but Skeletor would replace Hordak as the main antagonist.
In my head, I imagine a story in which the refugees know that one among them betrayed He-Man, causing him to die in battle against Skeletor. Adam is the prime suspect. The only reason they don't kill him is because Duncan insists it couldn't be him.
The next season would split into two shows....
She-Ra and the Masters of the Universe
He-Man and the Princesses of Power
As a practice, He-Man and She-Ra being treated like separate franchise does not make any sense to Me.
It could even be argued that She-Ra outshines He-Man. If She is not as strong as Him it isn't by a significant amount, and She-Ra has powers He-Man Doesn't.
That is like saying Shazam and Lady Shazam are two separate franchise and yet They both say SHAZAM to get Their powers (I won't get into how odd I think changing Their back story was). However treating He-Man and She-Ra like separate franchise is dangerously close to changing Their backstory in the same way.
He-Man and She-Ra both have The Power of Grayskull. Trying to say, or even pretend the Two characters are not connected. Is a disservice to both.
I guess She-Ra could get Her power from Crystal Castle, but what is Her Transformation Incantation supposed to be?
By The Power of Crystal Castle? Yeah that doesn't sound like it is connected to He-Man at all
She-Ra says "FOR the HONOR of Grayskull" (more like "for the honor of GAY-Skull" as far as the 2018 reboot is concerned, heh) whereas her older, big brother He-Man says, "BY the POWER of Grayskull". Honor & Power are two different things, even if attributed to the same location (Grayskull).
I don't think any version of Masters of POP that DOESN'T feature the twins as twins will EVER be fully successful. I think the repeated failures of both MOTU and POP reboots ( I know they both have fans, but neither have been able to hold mass, pop-culture traction for more than half a second, whereas the original MOTUPOP was ubiquitous among American kids until it fell off in 1987, and franchises like Transformers and Ninja Turtles, which kept their full casts, have flourished.
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh I am well aware of how He-Man and She-Ra's Incantations differ (and I am painfully aware that given how I phrased Myself in My previous comment why it sounded like I didn't.)
Even with different incantation's. Two characters using the same power source saying They have no connection of any kind. Grayskull isn't just a common substance. If He-Man and She-Ra were saying By The Power and For The Honor of Limestone (or any other common substance that can not be claimed by a corporation somehow). They could get away with denying a connection.
They’ve introduced Despara. So I’m hopeful.
They could make a deal where Dreamworks makes a series showing how Etheria was affected by the events of Revelation and Mattel, in exchange for allowing that, is allowed to include She-ra in Revolution. A trailer already includes the Horde robots.
wow, I thought they somehow made it happen because the She-Ra figure was released.
That She-Ra figure was based on her vintage 1985 toy. Mattel could make a new toy of her, but not the rest of the Princess of Power supporting cast or the cartoon specific designs. They also cannot use any of the lore Filmation created for She-Ra, which really ties their hands creatively.
This makes me wonder if the producers would also re-introduce Horde Prime and give it a more fleshed out backstory.
After watching MotU: Revolution and how it ended with a tease for more Hordak, I am REALLY hoping that a deal can be worked out to bring She-Ra into whatever comes next (if it does get a continuation) Hell. If Dreamworks was clever they could allow the use of She-Ra in the hypothetical third installment of Smith's MotU story and then use that as like a back door pilot to do a continuation of the original She-Ra series.
I never eatched the 85 She-ra as a kid. I thought it was too girlie. I just watched it on TH-cam and damn its really good. An evil empire that has control of a planet and rhe main heroine is leading a resistance group to over throw it. That plot alone is good, I never watched the 2018 one just didjt have that nostalgia for it. But I wish for He-Man and She-ra show up again.
I think Conan and Red Sonja have the same problem. They can't appear together no more even though they were both created by Robert E. Howard.
Its a damn shame really. Would of been a perfect opportunity to introduce Despara.
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a live action would definitely work. they could build a cinematic marvel type would that centered around both of them. Give them two separate live action movies sprinkled with easter eggs building up to a 5th movie, with a few smaller movie or mini series shows to flesh out supporting character, as a big cross over event uniting the twins against the big horde prime or whoever.
I hear a She Ra live action film is at Amazon but also they are trying to get a live action He-Man movie too. So we could see both He-Man and She Ra in the Amazon Live Action Film
Imagine if they brought shera into revolution and she and heman HOOKED UP and went to bed, imagine how much everyone would hate Kevin smith then lol
They're canon siblings, no matter what iteration. Kevin Smith would be kicked off his own reboot if he tried to enforce incest, similar to what happened to the creator of _The Loud House_ once it was revealed that he had lecherous affairs & had an attraction towards his own sisters (whom Lincoln Loud's sisters were based upon, with the creator basing Lincoln on himself).
It would be some weird 💩 Kevin would do just to shake up the fanbase😂
1. DreamWorks owns her and all 3 of the 80s shows even tough Mattel owns several characters in 2 of the 3.
2. They also do appear to have reset the timeline to be before She-Ra but after the He-Man show so...
@FUTUREDCUWARRIORLIFE He-Man and the masters of the Universe (1983), She-Ra princess of power (1985) and New Adventures of He-Man (1989)
@@chomper720 And of course, the 2018 reboot of the 2nd titled _She-Ra & the Princesses of Power_ (which is basically the LGBTQ+ version of _She-Ra_ since not even the "straight" pairings [Glow, SeaMista & Entrapdak] are heterosexual). That said, where does the 2002 reboot of _He-Man_ which aired on Cartoon Network fall?
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh Yeah 2002 and 2018 had some bad luck with timing, tough I still hope we get figures from both shows even if it's just 2 of each.
@@chomper720 Like I said, we did get dolls with action figure articulation of Adora/She-Ra, Catra, and Shadow Weaver from the Netflix series, but sadly, they didn't sell well (now, they're extremely expensive to get a hold of on bidding sites like Ebay) due to bad timing (thanks to the pandemic), so the entire line was seemingly cancelled. Although, I agree, it would be nice if it & the 2002 _He-Man_ both got 2nd chances at getting merchandise made.
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh well you only could get them in the USA, that is not really the same as a global launch.
In my opinion, the twins should be allowed to share the spotlight. I watched both series back in the days and didn’t think highly of them. There two He-man series on Netflix; the Kevin Smith spiritual successor and the new telling where all characters are Masters of the Universe. I think of Kevin Smith and Noelle were allowed to work together it would be a masterpiece.
If she-ra/adora does appear then i hope its gonna look like the 2018 she-ra design
She ra and He man as separate franchises feels like different companies owning Luke and Leia.
It would be good to bring them back together again. It was meant that way originally and it seems missing. I loved the MOTU animation in 2002, which seemed like a series before She-ra was around, but still would have been nice to have her. In this new Trilogy, since it’s a sequel to the 80s series, it just makes sense to have her in the series. As for the Netflix She-ra and the Princesses of Power is very much like the He-man in space from the 90s, something is totally wrong.
Isn't it a little early to call this show a trilogy? Or has a third season already been discussed?
Hordak did appear in the final episode of the CGI MOTU Netflix series played by the late Kevin Conroy. Too bad the series ended and Kevin passed away, as a S4 would have been great to introduce The Horde that was promised.
The why the left it, is that Horde Prime may be Adora! If this is a continuation of original story they messed that part up… I know there is issues with using She-ra but they could had said something like I wish Sis was here to help and we who know would had picked it up when he said it; or when Randor was dying mention I wish my daughter was here….
I LOVE SHE- RA THEY MESSED UP SHE-RA WHEN THEY RE DID HER WITH THAT JUNK OF A STORY. THEY NEED TO RE-VAMP HE AS WELL!
Despara already shows up in the final scene of Revolution, do i think she-ra will appear
so
So glad she did make an appearance .
There is already a She-ra cartoon on Netflix. I still don’t understand why they won’t use her
well presented case to make she ra possible!. to be honest and fair i think netflix should persue the spiderman deal with universal. .or at the very least. the He-man movie to universal !. and have she ra cameo starting a universel he man live action motu universe. . the sorcerous becomming like the nick fury of the motuCu. eventually we have an thanos level event Ala hordak invading eternia and all the m,asters cometogether like the avengers did and whoop some ass.
The problem? ND Stevenson's series reformed Hordak (cue Entrapdak) and Catra (cue Catradora) whilst killing off Shadow Weaver (good riddance to abusively manipulative toxic parenting) & Glimmer's mom Queen Angella (or rather, trapping her between a broken reality that was collapsing in on itself & the main reality of the rebooted series). Also, we don't neccessrily know what form the live-action version of _She-Ra_ will take, but it's high probable that it won't be based on ND Stevenson's popular yet controversial reboot, but instead, be more in line with the 1985 original series, hopefully. At any rate, just so long as it's not as bad as the Dolph Lundgren live-action _He-Man_ film of the late '80s/early '90s, I'm being cautiously optimistic about how _She-Ra_ will be continued.
@@TherealRNOwwfpooh for odvious reasons you cant copy what stevens did exectly. and what most people remember is the 80s film mation ot this day. im not sayin gstevenson iddnt do ogod or bad. im just saying.. we got 3 different he man versions alreadsy. we can stand to have another she ra version. and hordak as a thanos level threwat ( why cant we have an mcu build up event)?
@@kewnst It's just, with Hordak being reformed at the end of ND Stevenson's series thanks to Entrapta (and also She-Ra in her final form [with her 5th season transformation combining bits from Glimmer via the updated boots, Bow via the heart emblem between her neck piece/shoulder pad, and the tiara resembling Catra's face mask except shiny gold rather than metallic red in color] purging the evil essence of Horde Prime from Hordak's body & glossing over the atrocities The Horde had committed for the past 4 seasons for the sake of a feel-good happy ending), it'll feel weird for -- or perhaps, even akin to a slap in the face to -- those who embraced ND Stevenson's take on _She-Ra_ for the IP to suddenly go backwards with a return to form for both _She-Ra_ as a character (including depicting her with her curvier & bustier body type strictly for the male gaze/to shill toys) whilst also reverting Hordak back to an irredeemable bad guy when the 2018 reboot had Entrapta bring out the secret goodness within the wannabe overlord (who only sought the subjugation of Etheria just so he could be seen as worthy to stand alongside his fascist creator, Horde Prime, since both Hordak & Wrong Hordak were defective clones of Horde Prime who ultimately rebelled against their maker, thanks predominately to their closeness with the autistic geeky tech-obsessed princess/The Horde's resident mad scientist [complete with maniacal laugh, even if there's no maliciousness to be found within Entrapta as a character on the 2018 reboot, as she's purely on the side of scientific achievement & technological advancement above all else, not really caring about the persistent war between the noble Rebellion & the supposedly evil Horde until the final season when those created from artificial technology as well as the few flesh & blood people she's come to care about are forcibly reprogrammed & deliberately mind controlled by Horde Prime's hive mind cult mentality through wiping the memory banks of those made by artificial technology until their past memories return & through the use of chips embedded in people's necks that needed removing, otherwise they would've remained subservient to Horde Prime forever]).
What's more, even though they were each redeemed at the end, it's gonna take work for Catra & Hordak to make up for the atrocities knowingly committed by the Horde for the past 4 seasons of the 2018 reboot, but if the next iteration of _She-Ra_ undoes all of that character growth, we're back to square one again.
i like to see them together again and there may be hope in 2019 nd stvenson seed she like to work with kevin smith to make a he-man and she-ra crossover christmas special and i think they should also make a new movie special in where brother find's and meets his long lost sister
I really hope that happen.
Noelle is a dead name now. Noelle made the transition to Nate Stevenson and uses ND Stevenson as his social media handle. But, whenever talking about his past identity, he uses they/them pronouns, almost as if Noelle & Nate were two entirely separate people when they're just one person having a sex change from one gender to the other.
Be see he man vs she Ra be good okay love Dwight Jr 👍
He-man & She-ra are an awesome team together, pretty please make it happen for God's sake as well as for the sake of long time fans such as myself 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽?
We need to see them together!!
Oh but she did at the end as Despara
Mattel needs to own the tv rights to she-ra period.
Is it possible the shera show could merge with revolution
They wouldn't even bother showing despaira if they wouldn't get she-ra
When she was came out originally dora was Prince Adam long lost sister that was stolen by The horde in the original series of she-er. I don't see how they can keep them separate. Not for He-man there will not be She-er. That's what started it all for She-er.
This is why everyone hates lawyers
I know this comment is late but even if not in s2 of the new series and it somehow gets a s3 that they could do something with She-Ra by then. You don't see a quick scene of her mourning Adams death in s1 and by the most recent trailer the king dies so to not show her for Adam's or her father's funeral would be messes up. I could see them set her up for s3 as having Hordak captured and imprisoned her.
I've always wanted an updated look to She-Ra for years. The 2002-03 reboot being cut short and cancelled before her debute was unfortunate then I can't even with the princesses of power series.
😂 this no longer holds merit if you’ve watched the new season of Masters of the universe
If they get access of she-ra programming they should have had Adam and Teela get together and have a daughter that becomes She-Ra and have them send her away with someone they trusted to a peaceful realm so not to risk her being hurt by either Hordak or Skelator. But Hordak is sent there as well by Skelator.
But… why is the Horde able to cross both franchises?
She-Ra should appear in the Masters of The Universe Trilogy. She would make a great addition.
She will!°
SHES JUST AS GOOD AS HE MAN THEY SHOULD APPEAR TOGETHER❤😊
OK, we all know that Dreamworks is the legal owner of She-ra, but what about Adora? Do they own the rights for that name?
What we have on the last scene of "Revolotion" is the introduction of Despara, the evil Adora's alter-ego. Perhaps this is a grey area, and Netflix will follow that direction, exploring the story of Adora, before her true origin is revealed, and being presented with the sword of protection.
We all know who she is, but if they don't use the name She-ra, they are infringing the copyrights.
As far as i remember the "Despara" concept was only developed by Mattel, during the MOTU Classics line.
about that ...
I think she's going to be in Season 3 but not as She-Ra
I would love to see them together again How else do you explain for the honor of Grayskull I'm sure they could work something out
They should've had her appear at King Randor's funeral
What? I was hoping we'd be surprised by She-Ra this season 😞
she-ra may appear in revolution season 2 because i seen on an episode of revolution i seen skeletor's memories that hordak escape with something in his arms adandoning skeletor like in the original she-ra cartoon and in the last episode in the end some one was waking up to hordak it maybe it was shadow weaver or it maybe adora i'm not 100 percent shore but it maybe possible that she-ra may come to meet her brother he-man we can only waited and see what will happen
You are right! That was Adora in Hondaks arms and in the end scene!
This craziness. He man and she ra needs to be together again. It just doesn’t seem right
These companies act ridiculous with their hubris and greed while trying to hide behind virtue signalling to certain groups. So tired of the childish behavior of greedy execs and their lawyers. 🙄
Cause they are trying to make Tealia she-ra basically to replace he-man, if they already remind everyone of her as already part of the masters universe, that will foul their plan.
Yea, they basically turn Tesla into she-ra in cosmetics and more . But they acknowledged adora twice atleast... Showing her kidnapping as a baby and her as despora at the end.
If she doesn't that would ultimately make this remake garbage....
There can't have a He Man continuation of the 80's storyline without She Ra!!!
She is a major part of Masters of the Universe as well.
If Netflix doesn't give d ok for She Ra to appear in key major episodes will b total FAILURE
so was this because at some point the he-man creators sold she-ra same as how the MCU could not get spiderman or Magneto I forget, though it would probably be bad as they would probably make he-man a beta to his sister or slowly put him in a dark corner like with season 1, im hoping season 3 is good like 2 and dont make it annoying by luring us in with a good season 2, the trailer looked good, i forgot how did she-ra get kidnapped as a baby again? ya think being twins she and adam would be together with someone like their mother or caretaker who could probably fight
Please include Princess Adora/She-Ra Princess of Power twin sister to Prince Adam/He-Man.
She would be a great help to The Masters of the Universe: Revolution.
P.S.
Please don't destroy the beautiful art and feminimity of the character- Princess Adora/She-Ra.