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I think it's more in the middle when it comes to total population of the Imperium being over 50 quadrillion but less then 90 quadrillion due to the mass lost of life that happens every time there's a significant major war or strife. The Great Rift being the recent worse event that destroyed thousands to tens of thousands of worlds as it spread it's way cutting the galaxy in two and leaving hundreds of thousands more under siege and isolated. I see it like this that the Warhammer 40k's human demographic population size and the Star Wars Expanded Universe galaxy's human demographics size can be pretty relative to each other. In Star Wars there are over 2 million systems inhabited however the population is more divided eveningly among the core, mid rim, and outer rim. In that setting there is said to 100 Quadrillion sentients living in the Star Wars galaxy with humanity being the vast majority in proportion. I suspect Star Wars Expanded Universe humanity would be slightly more then the Imperium of Man's population size due to not just more planets with inhabitants but due to better healthy living standards and less dangers killing hundreds of trillions every few decades making the mortality rates and the lifespans of people being much better for the common man. Also it being less Marshal then the Imperium helps with the stability of the Star Wars galaxy's population size. I don't think the Imperium of Man is known for making gigantic habitable megastructure platforms like the Forerunner Empire and the Stellaris and Stellaris Mod players are known for. They don't make Dark Age of Technology stuff like they used to. Apparently orks are still supposed to outnumber humanity in terms of population size. But these numbers make more cohesive sense then the numbers Stephen Baxter did for his Interim Coalition of Governance in Xeelee Sequence. He slaps numbers like a Trillion worlds while the Interim Coalition loses only 10 billion child soldiers a year at the single Xeelee outpost in the Milky Way and he's treating that like it's a big significant number to a Trillion world a complete total true galaxy wide nihilist empire that would make the entirety of the Warhammer 40k, Halo, the Culture, Foundation, and Star Wars factions look like small buckets of water to a big neighborhood pool.
My own math led me to 21-76 quadrillion people. As for star wars expanded universe. The star wars sourcebook and imperial sourcebook state the empire had a million worlds(A 1,000, 1,000). The 2nd edition sourcebook says 1.5 million full member worlds. The essential atlas states an additional 69 million colonies, protectorates, vassals , etc. In shatter point it's said the at the time 1.2 million strong clone army was enough to put 1 clone a trooper on each republic world, plus thousands left over. In the old republic comic, lost suns, it's said the holonet connected six million worlds. In dark empire, Han tells luke they'd have to search 6 million worlds to find Leia's child.
@@myduckisonqauck7227 21-76 quadrillion sounds appropriate. Due to morality rate in the Warhammer 40k galaxy often being what limits the Imperium of Man and it's rigid structure. You can make an argument 1.2 million could be larger if you consider the word units in the film. I heard estimates that makes that reach in the tens of billions of clone soldiers. The whole 69 million colonies thing though sounds bit too insane even for me.
@@myduckisonqauck7227 I like the estimate that have the Clones placed at 20 billion. It would cohesively fit well with the Droids outbumbering them a hundred to one. Especially in a galactic war.
@@thorshammer7883 1. In the attack of the clones movie interview, 6 million clones is claimed. 2. The fact that the 327th Star Corps exists means there are over 11 million clones. 3. Count dooku states the droid army outnumber the clones a hundred to one(Clone wars 2008). Battlefront 2(disney canon) states the droid army numbers in the billions, meaning at least 20 million. Allies and adversaries(Disney canon) claim the droids are in the Quintillions. That's 20 quadrillion clones. In the revenge of the sith cross section(legends), the droid fleet, number millions of ships, in the outer rim. This translates to at least 1.3 trillion droids, meaning atleast 13 billion clones. Essential guide to warfare states 3 million, and that number drastically increases throughout the war.
The only thing I disagree about the numbers is the part about orbital infrastructure. It is the most efficient way to use more space for the population, however, the Imperium is knonw for its inefficiency and most of the lore points it mainly focus on planets. Even back to the Great Crusade with Garo having to conquer an orbital habitat only to destroy it, or the systematic destruction of the orbital habitats in the Corvus Corax books. Factor the fact that, realisticaly, Orbital Habitats could exercise much more independence than what a planet could (becase when you have an stations that is in the 10s of Kms, you already had a fully enclosed ecosystem, only needing materials fron asteroids every 10.000 years or so) is also in character for the Imperium to acctualy not use this way for their main habitation, because of the constant paranoia and all. Also, humans that are born in space in 40k are known as Voidborn, if the scenario where the Imperium foucus that much in space habitation would be real, they would be considerable more common than they actualy are, many of them are treated as mutants and some populations kill them on sight. And I don´t say that because 40k authors don´t undestand that part about space habitation, because if they didn´t, the Tau wouldn´t have it. The Tau Empire actualy utilizes evey planet in their spheres in a way or another. So, when calculating the Imperium, even the higher ends, I would not use the orbital infrastructure, or if I would to use it, they would be a minority at best. Another fun fact to consider: Most of the guards wouldn´t fight where they are recruited, so much if not all of them would require to do a warp jump. Did you guys know that Imperial Technology for Warp jumping is soo good, that, acording to the Rouge Trader RPG books, there is around 20% chance that you simply wouldn´t come out of it on avarage? Yes, so imagine , 20% of your avarage transport ships, simply are lost in the warp, not counting those that arive like 10 years later, or back in the past, no, just those that never come out. 20% of the entire guard is going to be lost just because of translation into the warp in normal condiitons, just imagine that.
Since you like here, halo. Here is a Star Wars and halo cross over idea Halo can work. They can just exist in one of the spiral arms of the known galaxy Of wild space That isn't really explored By Actual star wars So they can fit pretty well , but also Be separate from a lot of the main story of star wars Open till The Covenant or UNSC Makes contact With one faction of the galaxy That's interesting because that can be different parts. Time line of Star Wars and the Halo Timeline There's the clone wars Interaction And then there's the imperial interaction But those also change if you include halos. Do they interact in the middle of the covenant human war or the end of the war ( no flood is involved ) The empire definitely could win against the Covenant because the empires are a lot bigger but also just amount of numbers Advantage And I can see grand admiral thrawn With his intellect causing the grades Schism But I do have say the UNSC is probably gonna end up being a vassal state to the Empire dr halsey might get off Scott free But she'll be brought to Darth Sidious And work for him ( You could probably come up with a few more scenarios to go along with this one With different endings)
Shao Khan's an Alpha plus psyker with his ability to drain entire planets of souls in a day and merge them into his own world (MK 3 opening). Outworld has giant creatures called Tormenters which in MK 9 can tank hits from Abrams tanks and also destroy them so their pretty tough and anyweapon that pierces their hide probably goes thru marine armor easy The gods are on the level of fully sharded Ctan. Raiden with the help of another god stopped the big bang in the comics. And immortal Fire God Lui Kang making a black hole with a fingersnap could stop pretty much any 40k character. Speedwise all MK characters are bullet timers. So probably just as fast as space Marines with a few exceptions
I'd love to see future videos like this in more of a whiteboard style, with all the numbers we're working with off on the side for comparison and future reference.
I think also the amount of Agri, Knight, and Feudal worlds that make up a good percentage to the proportion of the Imperium of Man's number of worlds in certain sectors and subsectors in their 1 million world empire should also contribute to what makes the Imperium of Man's population should be lower then 80 quadrillion. Plus the morality rate and logistic and rigid communication and travel speed. Which makes the Imperium's population max capacity much much lower then Asimov's Galactic Empire in Foundation.
If you think about it even with the high end scaling of population numbers that still isn't enough biomass for the Tyranid Hivemind to cover it's casualty losses. It's lost like several tendrils which were probably almost a planet's worth of biomass per tendril. The recent losses Leviathan has took is also devastating. Even if the Tyranids win they will still lose more then they gained ultimately. Not a good strategy model to follow if the Tyranids were to fight something hyper adaptive and competently innovative. Could you imagine how astronomical the loss of biomass would be for the Tyranid Hivemind if it went against Stellaris Gigastructural Engineering? Star Ruler? And the Forerunner Empire at it's prime galaxies? You might as well cut your losses and travel somewhere else in that event. If a C'Tan returns at full power as the size of a star and personally decides to go on a one man rampage on multiple Hivefleet Tendrils I imagine it is going to hurt alot with huge losses rather then gains.
No, because the Nids don't necessarily need human biomass. Plantlife, insects, and various other vermin also count. There are also jungle planets which will have some larger bioforms too. Nids aren't after humans specifically, humans are just in the way.
@@malcolm_in_the_middle Still though even with the extra life it isn't that much of a stockpile. They have at best a few large planetary bodies of mass to absorb. While they already loss a significant amount of that from the Tendril armadas that were destroyed in the process.
@@nobleman9393 Yes but at best all that life in the galaxy would be several more large planetary bodies worth estimately. The Tyranid Hivemind's biggest tendril Leviathan has lost more then that since the opening of the Great Rift. Imagine if Prime Ork Battlemoons and full powered C'Tan return to the field of warfare the Tyranids are to be losing much more Hiveships then they would gain from devouring planetary surfaces. Kraken and Behemoth are gone. The Hivefleet that went through the Ghoul Stars had gone insane and the other Tendrils aren't having much successes at the moment.
On the Terra Thing you are incorrect, Necromunda is literally described as the largest hive world in the setting with the largest population. At least by the time of 40k. Back in the old days of Terra during 30k they possibly could have had a larger one but that was when a lot more tech and infrastructure was actually working. I'll see about looking through my books a bit later to send the source, but that was pretty well established. Though I am curious what book your getting the quadrillions number from for Terra? I only ever heard those numbers from Forums posts back in 2008 and when asked for a source they could never provide one. EDIT As a Guard Player, I call bullshit on that guardsmen Estimate. The Books straight up say "Billions of Guardsmen" not trillions of them but billions. This further makes more sense when you look at how the Imperial Guard regiments are raised, trained, deployed, and ultimately disbanded. They are not the Imperial Army which was a standing professional military. The IG are a Regimental Military force in the organization and deployment style of American civil war, and more importantly Napoleonic war eras. Not in usage or such but in that IG regiments aren't typically reinforced unless unusually close to their home world or notable exceptions like Krieg. Further when the campaign they are apart of is concluded they are then stood down and given rewards for their service typically in the form of land, and a retirement stipend. If their is another campaign that needs to be handled nearby they might be redeployed, however when this is done they are actually awarded a medal for this. I believe its called the Merit of Terra or some such. Because it is somewhat unusual for the Imperium to do this after all its expensive to maintain these forces, and its also a careful balancing act. The larger you make your IG forces the greater the power your investing in those generals, and the more problems they can make for you in the long term. Also your PDF number I think you misunderstood. The Point of the Tithe if its raised for manpower and fighting men. The world can be expected to raise a force equivalent to 10% of its PDF forces. It doesn't have to be of their PDF forces (Thank god because otherwise that would be insane, a 10% most likely permanent loss of a world's military would be beyond crippling, and the imperium even had an instance where this tithe got called no less the 12 times in a 7 year span.) If it was their PDF forces than your number would make even less sense, because at that point you have created a system which activly encourages planets to keep their PDFs as small as they possibly can so the price of losing 10% of their military whenever the Imperium decides it necessary doesn't fuck them over. But to direct quote the book "Billions of Guardsmen" but to further add on to that factor. The Imperial Navy has between 45 and 75 total warships (ranging from Capital to escorts) per sector. These as battlefleet gothic books, and other Source books describe. Make up 10% of the Imperial Fleet with the other 90% being merchant Marine. If the Guardsmen numbered your "Low estimate" They would be functionally useless as their simply wouldn't be anywhere near enough transports to move these guys. Even the Universal Mass Conveyers. (Which are meant more for civilian transport then military personal and equipment) Only have a maximum transport capacity of 500,000 passengers, and if your transporting military personal and equipment that number is probably even lower, and those vessels are highly prized and not typical of most imperial Transports.
Terra doesn't have quadrillions of people, sorry to that author. 200 billion would be more accurate. Also 99% of the human population lives in Terra? doesn't make sense for the setting. Nor would it be able to be fed and supplied from the other worlds.
It’s said that terra is an ecumenopis from the core of the planet to about a hundred miles up. In the most brutal regime imagineable the capital planet is going to be insane
@@MacroLore It depends on how many laws of physics you want to break. 40K, outside the warp doesn't seem to be so techno-fantasy to, you said the "core" of the planet? the molten iron core that's thousands of km deep? No, you meant the surface, 100 miles... it would all come crumbling down, can you imagine the columns that have to support all that weight? not to mention how easy it would be for any chaos cult to, not even make a fuss, just starting sawing off the foundations. I get it has to be insane, but it would break with the coherence of the whole setting. And there would be no way to feed that many people not to mention how much heat it would generate just 1 mile below the top. Terra is an ecumenopolis, maybe more than 200Billion, but its probably not even 1% of the whole empire's population, and honestly it shouldn't be. If its in the 5 quadrillions than all other fights, everything else happening in the empire is pointless, you know, why would anyone care? until Terra is threatened, maybe even using space marines to defend anything other than vital supply lines to Terra would be a waste.
@celdur4635 in 40k the imperium has access to gravity warping technology cheap and disposable enough to use as parashutes for guardsmen. I think terra haveing that tech to support it's pillars is entirely reasonable.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 If they could have anti-grav cheap and strong enough to held up an Ecumenopolis worth of buildings, then they would be able to collapse the eye of Terror into a black hole or several of them. It would break the setting, and why don't we see gravity weapons being commonplace? They would have to be limited not able to be scaled or it wouldn't make sense. You also don't need to have that high buildings for crazy density or high populations, even buildings 20 stories tall but a whole city's worth is millions upon millions of people and that's with modern standards. Look up Kowloon city in Hongkong, that density is crazy and you don't need mile high towers.
200 billion is far too small. Kowloon walled city irl had 1.3 million people per square km and is only 50m tall. Meaning a Ecumenopolis earth can easily have a population of 7 hundred trillion with very basic building technology. 10 50m tall layers and you have 7 quadrillion people. 500m is well within our building capacity. 1km deep inhabited crust (both natural and artificial) is well within the realm of realism and low balls what we are told is possible for regular hive cities over 10km above ground Before we account for spires. And leaves plenty of space for industry/etc. So what we know of 40k unless you want to through out all hive city lore, we are looking at 70 quadrillion people easily, before we account for spire populations. 500 billion is a massive low ball. You would get very comfortable conditions for a 1 level high city planet with that population. Let alone 200 billion. The real limiter is not food importing, or archetcture holding itself up, it's heat management.
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I think it's more in the middle when it comes to total population of the Imperium being over 50 quadrillion but less then 90 quadrillion due to the mass lost of life that happens every time there's a significant major war or strife. The Great Rift being the recent worse event that destroyed thousands to tens of thousands of worlds as it spread it's way cutting the galaxy in two and leaving hundreds of thousands more under siege and isolated.
I see it like this that the Warhammer 40k's human demographic population size and the Star Wars Expanded Universe galaxy's human demographics size can be pretty relative to each other. In Star Wars there are over 2 million systems inhabited however the population is more divided eveningly among the core, mid rim, and outer rim. In that setting there is said to 100 Quadrillion sentients living in the Star Wars galaxy with humanity being the vast majority in proportion. I suspect Star Wars Expanded Universe humanity would be slightly more then the Imperium of Man's population size due to not just more planets with inhabitants but due to better healthy living standards and less dangers killing hundreds of trillions every few decades making the mortality rates and the lifespans of people being much better for the common man. Also it being less Marshal then the Imperium helps with the stability of the Star Wars galaxy's population size.
I don't think the Imperium of Man is known for making gigantic habitable megastructure platforms like the Forerunner Empire and the Stellaris and Stellaris Mod players are known for. They don't make Dark Age of Technology stuff like they used to. Apparently orks are still supposed to outnumber humanity in terms of population size.
But these numbers make more cohesive sense then the numbers Stephen Baxter did for his Interim Coalition of Governance in Xeelee Sequence. He slaps numbers like a Trillion worlds while the Interim Coalition loses only 10 billion child soldiers a year at the single Xeelee outpost in the Milky Way and he's treating that like it's a big significant number to a Trillion world a complete total true galaxy wide nihilist empire that would make the entirety of the Warhammer 40k, Halo, the Culture, Foundation, and Star Wars factions look like small buckets of water to a big neighborhood pool.
My own math led me to 21-76 quadrillion people.
As for star wars expanded universe. The star wars sourcebook and imperial sourcebook state the empire had a million worlds(A 1,000, 1,000). The 2nd edition sourcebook says 1.5 million full member worlds. The essential atlas states an additional 69 million colonies, protectorates, vassals , etc. In shatter point it's said the at the time 1.2 million strong clone army was enough to put 1 clone a trooper on each republic world, plus thousands left over. In the old republic comic, lost suns, it's said the holonet connected six million worlds. In dark empire, Han tells luke they'd have to search 6 million worlds to find Leia's child.
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21-76 quadrillion sounds appropriate. Due to morality rate in the Warhammer 40k galaxy often being what limits the Imperium of Man and it's rigid structure.
You can make an argument 1.2 million could be larger if you consider the word units in the film. I heard estimates that makes that reach in the tens of billions of clone soldiers.
The whole 69 million colonies thing though sounds bit too insane even for me.
@@thorshammer7883 1.2 million clones was just during that time, their numbers drastically increased, for sure.
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I like the estimate that have the Clones placed at 20 billion. It would cohesively fit well with the Droids outbumbering them a hundred to one. Especially in a galactic war.
@@thorshammer7883 1. In the attack of the clones movie interview, 6 million clones is claimed.
2. The fact that the 327th Star Corps exists means there are over 11 million clones.
3. Count dooku states the droid army outnumber the clones a hundred to one(Clone wars 2008). Battlefront 2(disney canon) states the droid army numbers in the billions, meaning at least 20 million. Allies and adversaries(Disney canon) claim the droids are in the Quintillions. That's 20 quadrillion clones. In the revenge of the sith cross section(legends), the droid fleet, number millions of ships, in the outer rim. This translates to at least 1.3 trillion droids, meaning atleast 13 billion clones. Essential guide to warfare states 3 million, and that number drastically increases throughout the war.
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The only thing I disagree about the numbers is the part about orbital infrastructure.
It is the most efficient way to use more space for the population, however, the Imperium is knonw for its inefficiency and most of the lore points it mainly focus on planets.
Even back to the Great Crusade with Garo having to conquer an orbital habitat only to destroy it, or the systematic destruction of the orbital habitats in the Corvus Corax books.
Factor the fact that, realisticaly, Orbital Habitats could exercise much more independence than what a planet could (becase when you have an stations that is in the 10s of Kms, you already had a fully enclosed ecosystem, only needing materials fron asteroids every 10.000 years or so) is also in character for the Imperium to acctualy not use this way for their main habitation, because of the constant paranoia and all.
Also, humans that are born in space in 40k are known as Voidborn, if the scenario where the Imperium foucus that much in space habitation would be real, they would be considerable more common than they actualy are, many of them are treated as mutants and some populations kill them on sight.
And I don´t say that because 40k authors don´t undestand that part about space habitation, because if they didn´t, the Tau wouldn´t have it.
The Tau Empire actualy utilizes evey planet in their spheres in a way or another.
So, when calculating the Imperium, even the higher ends, I would not use the orbital infrastructure, or if I would to use it, they would be a minority at best.
Another fun fact to consider: Most of the guards wouldn´t fight where they are recruited, so much if not all of them would require to do a warp jump.
Did you guys know that Imperial Technology for Warp jumping is soo good, that, acording to the Rouge Trader RPG books, there is around 20% chance that you simply wouldn´t come out of it on avarage? Yes, so imagine , 20% of your avarage transport ships, simply are lost in the warp, not counting those that arive like 10 years later, or back in the past, no, just those that never come out.
20% of the entire guard is going to be lost just because of translation into the warp in normal condiitons, just imagine that.
Since you like here, halo. Here is a Star Wars and halo cross over idea
Halo can work. They can just exist in one of the spiral arms of the known galaxy Of wild space That isn't really explored By Actual star wars
So they can fit pretty well , but also Be separate from a lot of the main story of star wars Open till The Covenant or UNSC Makes contact With one faction of the galaxy
That's interesting because that can be different parts. Time line of Star Wars and the Halo Timeline
There's the clone wars Interaction
And then there's the imperial interaction
But those also change if you include halos. Do they interact in the middle of the covenant human war or the end of the war ( no flood is involved )
The empire definitely could win against the Covenant because the empires are a lot bigger but also just amount of numbers Advantage And I can see grand admiral thrawn With his intellect causing the grades Schism
But I do have say the UNSC is probably gonna end up being a vassal state to the Empire
dr halsey might get off Scott free
But she'll be brought to Darth Sidious And work for him
( You could probably come up with a few more scenarios to go along with this one With different endings)
star wars and halo is much more accurate of a size comparison. A lot of what I thought was star wars lore was imperial propoganda
Can you make a story based on the fan Halo star wars crossover Sins of the Galactic Empire Reborn
Yes
That could be fun.
or the first few chapters of Odyssey of the Infinity
I wonder how Mortal kombat Characters Compare in power to 40k Characters
But I also wonder how Destiny Comparison in power to 40k With its factions
Shao Khan's an Alpha plus psyker with his ability to drain entire planets of souls in a day and merge them into his own world (MK 3 opening). Outworld has giant creatures called Tormenters which in MK 9 can tank hits from Abrams tanks and also destroy them so their pretty tough and anyweapon that pierces their hide probably goes thru marine armor easy
The gods are on the level of fully sharded Ctan. Raiden with the help of another god stopped the big bang in the comics. And immortal Fire God Lui Kang making a black hole with a fingersnap could stop pretty much any 40k character.
Speedwise all MK characters are bullet timers. So probably just as fast as space Marines with a few exceptions
The average lifespan of a garudsman after deployment is 15 minutes
That’s in very specific theatres. The guard are well trained. The pdf almost never survive first contact
I'd love to see future videos like this in more of a whiteboard style, with all the numbers we're working with off on the side for comparison and future reference.
That would probably be a lot easier to digest. Will do
I think also the amount of Agri, Knight, and Feudal worlds that make up a good percentage to the proportion of the Imperium of Man's number of worlds in certain sectors and subsectors in their 1 million world empire should also contribute to what makes the Imperium of Man's population should be lower then 80 quadrillion. Plus the morality rate and logistic and rigid communication and travel speed.
Which makes the Imperium's population max capacity much much lower then Asimov's Galactic Empire in Foundation.
True. But 85% of all imperial worlds have at least a single hive cluster
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What of having One Hive City? They will not be reaching 100 quadrillion in population.
If you think about it even with the high end scaling of population numbers that still isn't enough biomass for the Tyranid Hivemind to cover it's casualty losses. It's lost like several tendrils which were probably almost a planet's worth of biomass per tendril. The recent losses Leviathan has took is also devastating. Even if the Tyranids win they will still lose more then they gained ultimately. Not a good strategy model to follow if the Tyranids were to fight something hyper adaptive and competently innovative. Could you imagine how astronomical the loss of biomass would be for the Tyranid Hivemind if it went against Stellaris Gigastructural Engineering? Star Ruler? And the Forerunner Empire at it's prime galaxies? You might as well cut your losses and travel somewhere else in that event.
If a C'Tan returns at full power as the size of a star and personally decides to go on a one man rampage on multiple Hivefleet Tendrils I imagine it is going to hurt alot with huge losses rather then gains.
They don't devour just the populations, they eat everything that can be eaten and even minerals.
No, because the Nids don't necessarily need human biomass. Plantlife, insects, and various other vermin also count. There are also jungle planets which will have some larger bioforms too. Nids aren't after humans specifically, humans are just in the way.
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Still though even with the extra life it isn't that much of a stockpile. They have at best a few large planetary bodies of mass to absorb. While they already loss a significant amount of that from the Tendril armadas that were destroyed in the process.
@@thorshammer7883 Trees in Europe have more biomass than all of humanity.
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Yes but at best all that life in the galaxy would be several more large planetary bodies worth estimately. The Tyranid Hivemind's biggest tendril Leviathan has lost more then that since the opening of the Great Rift. Imagine if Prime Ork Battlemoons and full powered C'Tan return to the field of warfare the Tyranids are to be losing much more Hiveships then they would gain from devouring planetary surfaces.
Kraken and Behemoth are gone. The Hivefleet that went through the Ghoul Stars had gone insane and the other Tendrils aren't having much successes at the moment.
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On the Terra Thing you are incorrect, Necromunda is literally described as the largest hive world in the setting with the largest population. At least by the time of 40k. Back in the old days of Terra during 30k they possibly could have had a larger one but that was when a lot more tech and infrastructure was actually working.
I'll see about looking through my books a bit later to send the source, but that was pretty well established. Though I am curious what book your getting the quadrillions number from for Terra? I only ever heard those numbers from Forums posts back in 2008 and when asked for a source they could never provide one.
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As a Guard Player, I call bullshit on that guardsmen Estimate. The Books straight up say "Billions of Guardsmen" not trillions of them but billions. This further makes more sense when you look at how the Imperial Guard regiments are raised, trained, deployed, and ultimately disbanded. They are not the Imperial Army which was a standing professional military. The IG are a Regimental Military force in the organization and deployment style of American civil war, and more importantly Napoleonic war eras. Not in usage or such but in that IG regiments aren't typically reinforced unless unusually close to their home world or notable exceptions like Krieg. Further when the campaign they are apart of is concluded they are then stood down and given rewards for their service typically in the form of land, and a retirement stipend. If their is another campaign that needs to be handled nearby they might be redeployed, however when this is done they are actually awarded a medal for this. I believe its called the Merit of Terra or some such. Because it is somewhat unusual for the Imperium to do this after all its expensive to maintain these forces, and its also a careful balancing act. The larger you make your IG forces the greater the power your investing in those generals, and the more problems they can make for you in the long term.
Also your PDF number I think you misunderstood. The Point of the Tithe if its raised for manpower and fighting men. The world can be expected to raise a force equivalent to 10% of its PDF forces. It doesn't have to be of their PDF forces (Thank god because otherwise that would be insane, a 10% most likely permanent loss of a world's military would be beyond crippling, and the imperium even had an instance where this tithe got called no less the 12 times in a 7 year span.) If it was their PDF forces than your number would make even less sense, because at that point you have created a system which activly encourages planets to keep their PDFs as small as they possibly can so the price of losing 10% of their military whenever the Imperium decides it necessary doesn't fuck them over.
But to direct quote the book "Billions of Guardsmen" but to further add on to that factor. The Imperial Navy has between 45 and 75 total warships (ranging from Capital to escorts) per sector. These as battlefleet gothic books, and other Source books describe. Make up 10% of the Imperial Fleet with the other 90% being merchant Marine. If the Guardsmen numbered your "Low estimate" They would be functionally useless as their simply wouldn't be anywhere near enough transports to move these guys. Even the Universal Mass Conveyers. (Which are meant more for civilian transport then military personal and equipment) Only have a maximum transport capacity of 500,000 passengers, and if your transporting military personal and equipment that number is probably even lower, and those vessels are highly prized and not typical of most imperial Transports.
The book Carrion throne
Apparently more than there are since the galaxy isn't fixed and is getting worse.
10 guardsmen, all clones of Sly Marbo though; wait... why aren't there Sly Marbo clones?
it would be too easy. At that point just take Big E off the chair and let a dozen sly marbo's wipe the galaxy
@@MacroLore me: "sly Marbo clones! Lets get a blood sample." Sly: "I hate needles one step more and I murder you."
Quadrillion? Cmon
What confuses you?
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Terra doesn't have quadrillions of people, sorry to that author. 200 billion would be more accurate. Also 99% of the human population lives in Terra? doesn't make sense for the setting. Nor would it be able to be fed and supplied from the other worlds.
It’s said that terra is an ecumenopis from the core of the planet to about a hundred miles up.
In the most brutal regime imagineable the capital planet is going to be insane
@@MacroLore It depends on how many laws of physics you want to break.
40K, outside the warp doesn't seem to be so techno-fantasy to, you said the "core" of the planet? the molten iron core that's thousands of km deep?
No, you meant the surface, 100 miles... it would all come crumbling down, can you imagine the columns that have to support all that weight? not to mention how easy it would be for any chaos cult to, not even make a fuss, just starting sawing off the foundations.
I get it has to be insane, but it would break with the coherence of the whole setting. And there would be no way to feed that many people not to mention how much heat it would generate just 1 mile below the top.
Terra is an ecumenopolis, maybe more than 200Billion, but its probably not even 1% of the whole empire's population, and honestly it shouldn't be. If its in the 5 quadrillions than all other fights, everything else happening in the empire is pointless, you know, why would anyone care? until Terra is threatened, maybe even using space marines to defend anything other than vital supply lines to Terra would be a waste.
@celdur4635 in 40k the imperium has access to gravity warping technology cheap and disposable enough to use as parashutes for guardsmen.
I think terra haveing that tech to support it's pillars is entirely reasonable.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 If they could have anti-grav cheap and strong enough to held up an Ecumenopolis worth of buildings, then they would be able to collapse the eye of Terror into a black hole or several of them.
It would break the setting, and why don't we see gravity weapons being commonplace?
They would have to be limited not able to be scaled or it wouldn't make sense.
You also don't need to have that high buildings for crazy density or high populations, even buildings 20 stories tall but a whole city's worth is millions upon millions of people and that's with modern standards.
Look up Kowloon city in Hongkong, that density is crazy and you don't need mile high towers.
200 billion is far too small. Kowloon walled city irl had 1.3 million people per square km and is only 50m tall. Meaning a Ecumenopolis earth can easily have a population of 7 hundred trillion with very basic building technology. 10 50m tall layers and you have 7 quadrillion people. 500m is well within our building capacity. 1km deep inhabited crust (both natural and artificial) is well within the realm of realism and low balls what we are told is possible for regular hive cities over 10km above ground
Before we account for spires. And leaves plenty of space for industry/etc.
So what we know of 40k unless you want to through out all hive city lore, we are looking at 70 quadrillion people easily, before we account for spire populations.
500 billion is a massive low ball. You would get very comfortable conditions for a 1 level high city planet with that population. Let alone 200 billion.
The real limiter is not food importing, or archetcture holding itself up, it's heat management.
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