Game Theory Presents - DeadLock: SNES vs. Genesis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- VOTE: Which 16-bit console was MORE INFLUENTIAL?
SNES ► bit.ly/snesvote
Genesis ► bit.ly/genesisvote
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to DEADLOCK, the channel's newest show where we take on some of the most popular and controversial debates in gaming. SNES vs. Genesis? LoL vs DOTA? Can video games be art? We duke it out point-by-point, but in the end it's up to YOU to decide the true winner.
For our first episode, Jirard from The Completionist ( / thatonevideogamer ) enters the fray to take on the Great Console War from the 90s: SNES vs. Genesis. Which console truly reigned supreme, possibly the best gaming device Nintendo ever created or the edgier Sega machine? You'll help us determine the winner TODAY!
Also note that all sides of the debate are RANDOMLY decided, so the debater may be arguing for a side he or she doesn't agree with. We wanted to keep this as neutral and unbiased as possible. NO HATE!
Special thanks to Grant Ramos for his help writing the script!
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Thanks for all the feedback so far guys! I really appreciate you guys writing in and I'm THRILLED so many of you are enjoying it.! Just so you know, we have two other episodes already filmed, but after that I'll start trying to work in some of these notes. Based on your advice, things we'll definitely be trying:
1) Trying at least one as less-scripted and
2) Not ending in a tie, but still letting you give your opinion at the end :)
Those are the major two I've seen so far, but keep the ideas coming!
Great video. not ending with a tie is a good idea. at least it creates hype for the next video. cant wait for episode 2
Nintendo
I can't wait to see more of this series
NINTENDO POWER
i didn't like it
We might still be playing on cartridges
Switch anyone
The Retro gamer because a disc would totally fit on a handheld console
Pugzz Freeman psp
The 3ds for example
Believe it or not, cartridges have many benefits. I'm glad Nintendo went back even though I'm perfectly content with CD's.
The Retro gamer but the switch is cool
Mat:*does best while fighting an uphill battle*
Jirard:*chants USA for a Japanese console*
SNES was the USA version of the Super Famicom of Japan.
The choice is obvious
The USA chant is even funnier when you remember that Sega started out as an American company called Service Games which made slot machines for American military bases in Japan.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Each system had their foreign counterpart. Super Nintendo had The Super Famicom and the Genesis had the Mega drive
The snes is the us version on the super famicom
Top video games to torture mapat
1:fnaf 1-7
2:undertale
3:intros
3: team fortress 2
Lololol
#3 the zelda timeline
Intros is my favorite game
#4 Mario’s height
Is it bad that despite how intellectually stimulating and humorous all of these videos are, none of them made me laugh quite as much as "Matpat is a dickturd"?
No. no it's not. I'm with you man.
All opinions unite on that subject
i love how matpat was representing the genisis yet he does a crap ton of nintendo theories
His favorite game is also Earthbound, a snes game
Ironic
Genesis: without the genesis, we wouldn’t have technology like backwards compatibility or downloadable content
8:34
Jirard: ... the ORIGINAL 16-bit console...
MatPat: "I'm about to end this mans whole career"
You sure about that? Turbo Grafix 16
@@MrK- hey i wasn't the one that said that.
@@dzagoproductions3450 i know
@@dzagoproductions3450 it was the meme
TG 16 is...interesting. The GPU was 16-bit but the CPU was 8 bit so idk. Genesis was fully 16 bit on the other hand.
Interestingly enough the Intellivision that came out in '79, you'd never know THAT was 16-bit considering how primitive it appears today.
8:54 “The fact that it lasted so long in the marketplace is truly a testament to it’s genius engineering.” Don’t you mean...
GENESIS engineering?
I’m sorry ._.
EDIT: I'm surprised how much attention this comment got. I mean its not huge, but still. Thanks :D
*opens the door*
👈👈 eyy
you cant control who crooses on ur life, but u can control where u yeet em out of
**yeet**
Serious Suggestion: I haven't seen a single video on a specific gaming franchise that I believe deserves AT LEAST one video. Guitar Hero.
Seriously though, thumbs up this comment so that TheGameTheorists can at least see my suggestion, if it isn't worthy of a video than so be it, but I think it should still be taken into consideration.
You have my thumbs up.
JFishnets24 Much appreciated. If you're a fan of Guitar Hero, you should check out my channel, not only am I fairly good at the game, but I write music for it. (GH3PC)
There isn't much to be said on the subject of rhythm games. Maybe Parrapa the Rapper, but I'd like it if Beatmania gets in there as well as GH.
Genesis won but the Snes was good too
Disappointed that there was no Phoenix Wright Cornered music.
That would be awesome.
Phoenix Right music would have been so awesome
That is just what I was going to
Do you really think they could give such a dead giveaway as to which side was...
*...Wright?*
Tony Hakston That's it. You win.
Matpat:none compare to the snes vs genesis
Scott the woz vs scoliosis: am I a joke to you
Woz ve scoliosis
i want this as a mobile where you can debate against people.
yes... yes! YES!!!!
@MCPEMonkey To quote Elder D'Arby "It ain't cheating if you don't get caught"
Mat, you have exceeded my expectations, once again. You work really hard to get your audience what they want with new ideas and always put 100% in everything. You never come up with the excuse "Cut me some slack, i worked (put a large amount of numbers here) on it!" because you live up to our expectations, which is exactly what every successful YTr does. I fully support this fun little show you have put together for the sake of us and wait 'till you make more episodes of these!
P.S Gerard, why didn't you know that the atari had wireless controllers...
Nice
Nice comment.
On another note though I feel like he knew, but remember that this is about TWO consoles. Putting another console in there would come out of topic. Since this is a debate, they have to give facts about their item in debate. If you say "Well you know, Atari had those before" he would still not make a point because he isn't defending his console.
I hope this is not confusing lol
Nani Torres You are somewhat correct, mentioning Atari would not have put his console on top of controller tech but it would weaken the asserted claim that Genesis INVENTED wireless controllers by showing that this was not the case. So in effect, it would make sense that Gerard would not have done any extra damage by touting Atari but it would make sense if it would have reduced his damage taken. No?
After making a research I have some things to say,
1: Wireless Controls: The wirelesss controls are not originally from Sega, they are from the Atari 2700 released in 1981
2: Downloadable content: Believe It or not, the Atari came up with the idea. How? Let me explain. The GameLine was a cartridge for the Atari 2600 which could download games using a telephone line. Atari wasn't so primitive as you may think uh?
3: Backward compability: Seriously? Only Super Gameboy?, the SNES also had Super 8 allowing people to play NES games in the SNES and, by the way, why to buy Sega CD and 32X when the FX and Mode 7 in SNES makes pretty much that only with specific cartriges instead of a whole periferic, Also, The Atari 7800 had backwards Compability TWO YEARS BEFORE THE GENESIS HAD RELEASED
3 out of 5, It seem like Sega came up only with online stuff but if you ask me, the SNES had FX chip, Mode 7, Multitap, Super Scope and better games made by Rare(Donkey Kong Country, Killer instict), Capcom (Megaman X, Ghouls and ghosts) Konami(Gradius, TMNT) And I can keep up all day long but "Nintendo is what Genesisn´t"
Id upvote this for people to see because its very interesting, but im on my phone
Yeah, you're probably right,.
practically no one had the super 8 and it was unlisenced.
Notice how with the wireless controller argument, he said ONE of the first. It wasn't the first, but it damn well impacted the game industry.
yet again, the sega genesis was literally BUILT for backwards compatibility. It used lots of the sega master system hardware.
One point, though: Genesis was NOT the first console with wireless controllers. That honor goes to the Atari 2600 (I believe).
yeah though those had the issue that they were big as they used radio antennas and they were giant so then they went to using the exact same tech as TV remotes and yeah they had tons of issue really if you wanted to say which was the first to nail it down and actually make it mainstream look no further than the wavebird controller made for the gamecube at Nintendo
Yes, the Atari 2600 had the first wireless consoles, and the GameCube Wavebirds were the first with radio signals.
Debate? No...
Actual f***ing fight? Yes
Wow, this is the TAMEST "which console is better" debate I've ever seen, compared to the ps3 vs xbox debates people will usually have...
I'is that a good thing or a bad thing?
MrDamsky100
Most certainly a good thing!
If ur if ur in one of those, heaven help you
FUCK YOU! THIS WAS THE MOST INTENSE ARGUMENT I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE
Kaden Summers
Then you must have been living under a rock. I've seen Hispanic women that could put professional debaters to shame.
#BringBackDeadlock
no
***** Why?
yesss
Zach McIvor Why!?
yaas
Matpat: that’s what I thought you’d say. I’ve set up my trap
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Me: so that’s his trap.
I know right, that happened to me
It's funny matpat has said so e of his favorite games of all time were mario RPG, earthbound, and kirby super star
Read the DAMM descrption
That was really fun, I enjoyed it a lot!! The only thing that bugged me was the HP bar at the top -- I felt like the health, as it decreased, should move towards the center of the screen, like most fighting games. Just a tiny little nitpick though, so... yeah feel free to ignore me xD
Vincent The Killer ***** your both terrible fans you keep blowing hot air
Vincent The Killer but don't let them blow up in your face!
I didn't think MandoPony watched Game Theories!
Hi mando!!
I agree with you.
"Bravo Sega, bravo, you guys invented a plastic box" Jirard automatically wins with this line
7:30
plants vs zombies
the best rivalry of all time
Hello from 2019!
Hi
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Hello people that do this
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Dank memes
Wow, I really enjoyed that. Both sides had excellent arguments.
Didn't expect to see you here!
True just like they said it games vs tech so it all depends on the viewer's perspective on which creates a bigger impact
YAY! sonictoast!
I thought Jirard was pretty weak. The SNES was my first console, but MatPat's arguements were just way better. I can't believe I did it, but I voted for Genesis.
"Sorry I was just watching a video about some guy saying Mario was faster"
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WHERE YOU AT? WHERE YOU AT? WHERE YOU AT?
OOOOHH!!! GET UR ASS WHOOPED!!!!!
Damn son. Where did you find this?
funnywarnerbox300 You're being sarcastic, aren't you?
MetaKnight64 WUMBO COMBO!
***** I thought you couldn't talk :/
Also I don't really care, it was still a sick burn.
Its actually como wombo bitch
I really love these videos of yours! Keep up the good work.
As someone getting into the Sega Genesis right now, it bothers me that Mat didn't mention the 3 Phantasy Star games, especially IV! Sure, they aren't as iconic as the SNES RPGs, but they were great.
Plus, Ristar was SUPER good!
This show was neat but keep the camera focused on everything the whole time, it was a bit disorienting keeping track of the score when the camera was all over the place.
You... Again... ;)
Oh wow didn't think I would see you here im actually subed to you
Nathaniel Bandy Overall still a great video and would like to see more.
Fenmio Maybe...... :/
Yaaaay striving for originality!
Yo… I WATCH YOU A LOT!
WHO WON!?
WHO'S NEXT!?
YOU DECI-
Oh wait wrong series, my bad.
***** .... boomstick?
...
Isn't what he said a Epic rap battle reference?
TJskillz169
He was adding on to the joke by introducing a new gaming channel.
Tony Balohney Ah, shouldn't be making comments while half asleep
TJskillz169
Sorry bro jet lag it's crazy.
Ha ha!
Hey matpat, you are doing great on this “show” i’d love to see more!
Keep making them please, it’s been years 🥺
Sorry, the Sega Genesis had BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY with the MEGADRIVE? WOW! That's like... The Playstation being backwards compatible with the PSone!
Seriously, though. I think you MEANT to say the Master System, with the Power Base Converter.
its like saying the n64 is backwards compactible with the nintendo 64, or like the ds lite is compactible with the ds.
I looked it up. He meant to say Master System.
The 32X and CD add-ons were negligible, only really giving the Genesis a temporary extension to its life, and not worth it.
Also, Sega wasn't exactly solo on the online play and downloadable content front. The SNES had a Japan-only service through St.GIGA, known as Satellaview. Users could download and listen to radio streams, read articles, download games that were either "BS-X" remakes, or full-on, story-driven chapter games which streamed voice audio alongside the game to add depth. There were also data packs that essentially acted as DLC for existing games.
As well, there was XBAND, the online play service that used dial-up for some multiplayer. Of course, it was functional on the Genesis as well.
Meganet was, in essence, some of the same. Japan-only, offered online play, had exclusive Meganet titles, and even offered Mega Anser, a banking utility that basically allowed the device to be multi-purpose. It unfortunately failed, though Sega Channel proved to be a much stronger contender. It wasn't dial-up, but instead, used your cable signal. It allowed demos and even access to games that would not get international release, had built-in cheat codes, and receive news, mostly about gaming. Unfortunately, it only lasted a couple of years. The release time conflicted with the Sega Saturn, so it was ultimately ended then.
In a way, with Satellaview lasting 8 years comparatively, maybe Nintendo was the stronger opponent. But Satellaview only got big for Japan, where St.GIGA existed. Sega paved the way, being a more international type of company.
xDDD *facepalm* didnt even noticed that LOLOLO
You mean the Playstation 4 being compatible with the Playstation.
It's called the Playstation. Don't forget it.
Alternatively, you might have meant XBone.
Matpat is wrong! the atari 2600 already had wireless controllers! and thats 2 generations older than the genesis.
I was hoping someone other than me knew that.
Yay for DYKG lol!
Hell, even NES had a wireless controller (which i have) that Acclaim entertainment inc. created.
And how about the nintendo satelite deal where you could download a special version of legend of zelda which "aired" for a short period in japan where users could download these specially made games.
It even had a live commentary for those who took part of the event.
Philip Flood Even the NES has the future of the controllers... I named... THE POWER GLOVE!!! Who's with me?
Lulink13 it's actually somewhat true. There's this experimental motion control being develop that utilizes many complex technologies which looks like a backpack and two gloves with cables, that detect not only hand motion but also finger motion.
I love rewatching this video
1:58 It looks like your being tuned, like in Yu-Gi-Oh Arc-V when they Synchro Summon.
Absolutely LOVE this new show :D
pleaseeee tell me than you going to be on iiiit you´re so cool!!! :D
I like it too FootofaFerret
I think you should be a theorist on this channel! :D
Moon Ongkingco truee :D he only tell facts but it can be awesome if he do theorys!!
FootofaFerret k
Here is a bunch of ideas:
N64 V.S. Sega Saturn
NGC V.S. Sega Dreamcast V.S. Playstation 2
Wii V.S. PS3 V.S. Xbox360
Super Mario World V.S. Sonic the Hedghog
Super Mario Sunshine V.S. Sonic Adventure
Pokemon V.S. Digimon
Pokemon Red V.S. Pokemon Blue
Sonic 1 V.S. Sonic 2 V.S. Sonic 3&K
Super Mario Bros. 3 V.S. Super Mario World
Super Mario Advance games V.S. Sonic Advance Trilogy
Mega Man 2 V.S. Mega Man X
Mega Man V.S. Super Mario Bros.
Final Fantasy V.S. Legend of Zelda
Gameboy V.S. GameGear
Super Mario Galaxy V.S. Sonic Colors
Super Mario Galaxy 2 V.S. Sonic Generations
Mega Man Powered Up V.S. Mega Man Maverick Hunter X
Shovel Knight V.S. Super Meat Boy
PS2 V.S. Xbox
Minecraft V.S. Roblox
Five Nights at Freddy's V.S. Five Nights at Freddy's 2 V.S Five Nights at Freddy's 3
Five Nights at Freddy's V.S. Slender
Sonic 4 Episode 1 & 2 V.S. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Mega Man X V.S. Mega Man Zero
Kirby Super Star V.S. Super Mario All-Stars Pack
(Please get Greg (Not Jirrad) from the Completionist to defend the All-Stars Pack)
Kirby Nightmare in Dreamland V.S. Kirby and the Amazing Mirror
DuckTales Remastered V.S. Shovel Knight
Epic Mickey V.S. DuckTales Remastered
Sonic 1 Mobile Remake V.S. Final Fantasy Mobile Remake
Sonic Dash V.S. Sonic Jump V.S. Sonic Runners
Sonic Heroes V.S. Sonic Adventure 2
Super Mario Land V.S. Kirby's Dreamland
Super Mario Land V.S. Sonic Triple Trouble
Pac-Man V.S. Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong V.S. Mario Bros.
The Game Theorists
Here is a bunch of Deadlock ideas
*****
Saturn has a much more varied and wider library than N64, especially if you consider Japan-only releases.
I might be ignorant here but what is the difference between pokemon red and blue? What you mean the pokemon that you can catch? I guess you can have a mini debate over those few pokemon but overall both games are exactly the same. And roblox vs minecraft is just a joke.
***** Tbh actually looking at the roblox's website I wouldn't be able to give a fair argument to why roblox wouldn't be able to compete with minecraft without sounding extremely biased because I am lol. All I know is remembering my friend play it a couple of years ago and seeing how shit it was back then. I mean it could still be shit but I don't know I haven't seen it in action.
bless you
I believe that "Let me explain" grew up on Sonic the Hedgehog.
Love it Matt, keep up the great work!!
What is the point of backwards compatability if none of the games are worth going back too?
Stripey Snow. Yeah I have no Play Station but if PS4 had backwards compatibility I would buy the console, since rightnow there is now next gen good game, but I am expecting BloodBourne and I am not gonna buy a console just for one game If I had the opportunity to also play the good games from the PS3 I would buy it.
Stripey Snow. I get that. The option of going back is very appealing, but in this particular case it isn't worth the effort.
first time it was done, as a proof of consept, not as a core featchure. i think...
Halo 2, that's why it's there, Halo 2 is the reason. XBOX backwards compatibility is where it's necessary. For Halo 2.
You seem to misunderstand the comment. Backwards compatibility to the Genesis is pointless. That has nothing to do with other systems, and now so is the backwards compatibility for halo 2 since it is now remade and on PC. You argument defeated itself lol
Oh, geez, the megahertz myth... Clock speed ≠ instructions executed per second. In fact, the number of instructions executed per second is _variable._ If the two processors were the same architecture, executing exactly the same machine code, then such a comparison would be relevant here, but they aren't - the SNES had a custom Ricoh 5A22 processor; Genesis, a stock Motorola 68000 (the one clocked at 7.6 MHz). *Way* different architectures, and obviously the machine codes would be different. In fact, in terms of benchmarks, the 5A22 processor was approximately ~1.5 MIPS, edging out the MC68k at ~1.4 MIPS. The two processors were technologically on par with each other, despite the two-fold advantage in clock speed of the MC68k. -5% to Pat for irrelevant hype-mongering, -5% for misleading information, and -1% for bad sportsmanship.
So in the closing arguments, Pat had already been knocked down.
Oh man, thank you for this. And even though their IPS is roughly the same, if either assembly language required more instructions for the same action (or had a smaller cache and needed more load/store instructions) it would have yet another answer for faster processor. Thanks for researching the numbers.
Damn
I couldn't have said it better myself. I cringed just a bit when he used MHz as a comparison. I'm just glad someone else looked the actual numbers up so I wouldn't have to haha. But in Mat Pat's defense, I think only a few people other than those who have knowledge in computer engineering would think to look further than just clock speed.
In the end, the job of the console is to run the game. No more, no less. Specs don't matter nearly as much as a well-designed game that is just fun to play, and all the specs in the world won't save a poorly-designed game from being thrown at the wall in frustration. Nintendo knew this quite well. That's why most of the games for SNES were developed in-house, by the people who knew the system best and by people who had a lot of experience designing games.
That, and the licensing system ensured that the market wasn't flooded with games, all chasing a limited amount of dollars. It also ensured that most of the revenue for SNES games came back to Nintendo, rather than diluted amongst a bajillion different independent companies. Take from that what you will.
In the real world, facts _matter._ In arguments to whether one console really is superior to one another, then people's misconceptions about those facts are irrelevant. It has always been my philosophy that you are better served by verified facts and correct understanding of what those facts mean than by ignorance.
Now, Jirard could have come back with pointing out that comparing clock speeds between architectures is not very telling, dispelling the megahertz myth with the facts about the processors' ability to crunch numbers (it wasn't hard to find), but that didn't happen. Instead, the clock speed was used as if the difference _actually mattered_ to how well the two consoles played games, and what their limitations were. It strikes of lazy writing and lazy research.
The bottom line is that neither console was really "innovative" as pieces of hardware, nor was either particularly advantaged in terms of that hardware, and Sega's "blast processing" line was as Jirard posited: a piece of Sega marketing hype. So *you bet* I'm going to dock MatPat points for that, for _misinforming the public._
I loved the pictures that appear, especially the synth one and the Sonic title screen with incorrect sprite priorities.
You can probably tell why my icon but I'm going for Sega Genesis
Me too
Ironically i like genesis
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the first console to have wireless controllers the Atari 2600? Also wasn't the first console to have downloadable games the Intellivision?
9:50 "Backward compatibility with the Mega Drive"? They're the same console.
The Sega Genesis, known as Mega Drive (Japanese: メガドライブ Hepburn: Mega Doraibu?) in most regions outside North America, is a 16-bit home video game console which was developed and sold by Sega Enterprises, Ltd. The Genesis is Sega's third console and the successor to the Master System. Sega first released the console as the Mega Drive in Japan in 1988, followed by a North American debut under the Genesis moniker in 1989. In 1990, the console was released as the Mega Drive by Virgin Mastertronic in Europe, by Ozisoft in Australasia, and by Tec Toy in Brazil. In South Korea it was distributed by Samsung and was known as the Super Aladdin Boy.
the sega megadrive and genesis are the same consoles, however the megadrive was released outside of the US, it was never sold here, had to be imported.
nathan madden That's all true, but backwards compatibility implies that it is compatible with the games on a PREVIOUS platform.
I believe by Mega Drive he meant Master System.
Yeah I wtf'd at backwards compatibility example. That made no sense
Michael Wolfe You're right. The Atari 2600 was the first to have wireless controllers, and they worked extremely well. Whether or not they worked better than the PS3 wireless controllers, I can't really say.
9:43 The Megadrive has backwards compatibility with... the Megadrive...? Anyone else thinks that makes no sense?
Did he mean to say that it's backwards compatible with the Master System? Even so, it's only BC is with the Master System Converter, so not right out of the box...
Oh, hey mike!
Thanks for that Homebrew tutorial!
Anyways, yes, that IS the Master System.
The Gaming Burgers Hey! Thanks! :D I guess you're a fan of the Glitch Picnic series? Well, I'm in the middle of a video right now... ;)
MikeyTaylorGaming Notice me Senpai!
Sergei Acenas You have been noticed! I'm no big deal though ;D
Yet I'm a subscriber of yours doe. You have a great voice to be honest.
You got Egoraptor in the intro circle. I was expecting you guys to do one
SNES, look Mat I get that this vid has been out for a while now but it’s still hilarious and cool watching you fight 60 degree uphill battle.
About the show. IT'S COMPLETELY BRILLIANT !! The writing was awesome your jokes and acting were phenomenal and I liked every second of it, seriously. Can you make something like PC gamers VS Console gamers next ?
That's a awesome idea!
Everyone like the comment
Cainan Capko *snore*
Oh god. I agree that would be entertaining, but at the same time, I must be afraid of the outcome. Very afraid.
Cainan Capko You're pretty much right except that I think that that's the actual point of this show to kinda mock a debate.
So in have multiple things on my mind right now.
At The end you say "We've come to a deadlock" then you ask us to vote. Does this mean that every episode will have the characters go to 1% and then the video stops? If this is the case then you might as well just say "Vote which is better The Sega Genisis Or The SNES" and call it an episode.
Another thing. I'm curious on how Gaijin Goomba will be apart of this project. His little character can be fighting against Mats little character but his character should also be in the top corner debating. Is there to of Gaijin Goomba?
Will Gaijin Goomba have to do a face reveal?
Find out next time on
DRAGON BALL Z
Gajin has already "revealed" himself plenty of times, just look on his channel. He wasnt really hiding it to start with, or if he was, he either got tired of it and said fuck it, or he really sucks at hiding his face.
Zeta Uphill frankly my biggest problem with this episode is all the moving around if he Just kinda kept the camera to see everything at once I would be able to enJoy this a lot more and that would give people a reason to re watch it.
I don't want to be told to just go vote, I want you to sell me on why one thing is less bullshit than the other, and then ask me to vote.
The Paul
...they did that...
He is responding to the original comment, where it is suggested that, if you aren't going to come to an agreement in the video, you should just not talk about it at all and instead just ask for comment wars about whatever subject.
Great job keep doing what you are doing
We need this show to come back
This was a great episode to watch!
A few suggestions for future Deadlock episodes:
Ratchet and Clank vs. Jak and Daxter
Crash Bandicoot vs. Spyro the Dragon
All of those are amazing titles that should not be pitted against each other.
Pit vs Link
Peach vs Zelda
Virtual boy vs some other flop in gaming history
Mario vs sonic
Batman vs Superman
Batman vs Spiderman
MatPat vs Skip
Josh Blair Dude, if you're looking for stuff like "Zelda Vs. Peach" and "Mario Vs. Sonic" then check out Deathbattle.
Infu-p
That's who'd win in a battle, not saying which was better as a whole. Superman could rip Batman in half in one second but ask 100 people who they like better and the majority would say Batman. Mario and Sonic would be a good debate for this channel though I see Mario winning still as the only bad Mario games I can think of, and I am talking about majorly bad, were made by different people so for modern titles Mario would take the cake that Peach keeps giving him.
Yes! Ratchet and Clank vs Jak and Dax!!!!
Next episode: Console Wars Advanced: PS4 vs XBOX One.
and then a secret annotation where you can vote for pc, who will win :)
***** biggot? Really?
The PC wins.
Just no.
Both of them are just outdated PCs with really expensive games.
I loved my megadrive for all the amiga and DOS ports, games like starflight and james pond just blew my mind.
@GodZpeed X7
Starfox gives me eyecancer(and no, its James Pond)
Genesis
The acting is a bit overly dramatic and I'd prefer the faces be angled a bit more toward each other to look like they're having a conversation, instead of being on a "game show"...I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but it would look more natural. Besides that, I'd keep watching, Mat!
I think this is a good idea.
You see, this is a good comment.
well the resin they did that is not to look like a game show. in formal Debates you look at the jude not at each other.
I agree that this would make the show even better. Furthermore I think it would be better when bring up stats have them show up in a list on each side of the screen so it is easier to compare and see how much of a difference there is. Also I think that sales numbers could help the arguments as no matter how much new technology something has, it needs to be bought in order to inspire others to follow their designs. Anyway great show just a few ideas to make it even better.
Probably a 45degree angle not fully facing each other or the screen would work best
How to debate with matpat
1 dont let matpat go first
2 don't let matpat go second
3 don't debate with matpat
cuz he doesn't do research.
tryplot
Sigh...
Internet trolls gonna troll.
Guide to surviving in a world with MatPat
"Backwards compatible with the megadrive"
Sure... makes a lotta sense
I actually miss these
Before I finish watching... Let there be a fatality, let there be a fatality, let therebe a fatality...
Damnit!
FATALITY YESSS!!!
RIP deadlock
WHERE IS THIS SERIES? IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER THAN GAMELAB
Its coming back next week!
WOOOO!
on the game theory channel next question
It came back with a shitty video called TF2 vs Overwatch lmao
#sonotteue
needed things in life:
food
water
more game theories
Yes, I am 5 years late but still...
I love this series. There is nothing like two people debate on which of these absolutely amazing consoles outclassed the other. In my opinion, I can't decide which one is best. I guess it all comes down to what games on which system the person likes to play. So I say the Genesis for the innovations it brought as well as great support for 3rd party titles and the SNES for the improvements and the amazing games it brought us. I played both constantly and liked games on both systems so it's difficult to prefer one over the other.
And just one note, the Turbografx-16 was in fact the first 16-bit console... despite it's modified 8-bit CPU and with all the comments I saw, yes, Atari 2600 was indeed the first console to include wireless controlles as it was the first company ever to experiment with controllers using radio frequencies.
OBJECTION! the first console to use wireless controllers was the Atari 2600. Nintendo wins. U.S.A. U.S.A. *cough* Japan. U.S.A.
WRONG the Atari 2600 had one but it used an ac adapter for power
Joshua Ford japan ftw
Anderson J. S. No they didn't.
Anderson J. S. your mother drank when she was pregnant with you, didn't she?
Anderson J. S. dude Stfu.
DO MORE DEADLOCK
Ya
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
He said at the end of the Raticate theory that he's bringing it back and hopes "our bodies are ready"!
... or something like that.
+XavierBro-13 its a reference to Reggie fils-aime
No keep it
I have no idea what those consoles do what time are they from the 80’s?
I think they should have made more of these
Nintendo is what Genisisn't. Genesis does what Nintendon't.
If neither of you two get this reference, chances are you're bandwagon fans of the consoles.
Hahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
ok
LOL!! Get it!!
Tristan Stout, Lol
Some statements
1. Love deadlock, would like to see more
2. I wasn't alive when either was popular, but
3. After hearing the statements, I am voting for genesis
4. (Side note) idea for next deadlock, settle one of the biggest disputes in Nintendo history, mario vs link. The two franchise icons
This was an awesome video, we need more!
I like the mario vs link, but could also do jrpgs vs western rpgs, command and conquer vs warcraft, fallout vs elder scrolls, league vs dota (the comment wars would be stupid as hell so I don't know about that one)
Kevin Miller KI 2014 Vs. SF4?
Mk 9 vs sf4?
Umm...Lolli, the two icons of Nintendo are Mario and DK, not Link. Sure Link is well known in the gaming world, but Mario and DK are the technical official mascots of Nintendo. And both had games that were plat-formers, in the case that Link has no platforming games aside from Zelda II (Not including CDI games). So how could you do a Deadlock of two characters in which nothing is similar enough to argue over.
Kevin Miller What's the debate here? JRPGS for old school, western for new stuff (really, Persona 3/4 ain't got shit on Elder Scrolls IV/V or Mass Effect, not even mentioning the horrors of what Final Fantasy is today), Warcraft was a lot more influential and is plain better, having a much more rich lore and characters you can care about. Elder Scrolls, Fallout never had such a boom as Elder Scrolls did, and Bethesda truly outdid themselves with Oblivion after the release of Morrowing, compared to Fallout III which was, honestly, kind of a downgrade in almost every sense 'cept for the graphics.
Finally, DotA, it wasn't even a video game at the time (for those that live under a rock, dota was originally a Warcraft 3 map) and it created a whole new genre of games. It was limited to what WC3 allowed and it was still great and is still holding up in competitions and casual games, while League is known to cement e-sports as something that can actually be talked about and made gaming competitions a very big thing, it is what it is, a rip-off of the greatest.
And I play LoL regularly, in fact I never liked DotA too much, but after League, I'm super into the genre, but LoL is still my favorite moba.
Mat pat just pulls exodia in the final argument
SF II was on genesis, The Thunder Force series, Gaiares, THE LEGENDARY ZERO WING (AYBABTU), Phantasy Star, Mega Man: the wily wars, Air Buster so many great games (third party) that people forget to mention or don't know about.
wait didn't the Atari 2600 have a wireless controller?
even the cd-i
+Ljlkjbljkh Blkjblkjbøiu this is my 2.nd chanel
one game E.T do I need to say more
+Johanna Otter ataria 2600 is a great console
it probaly did at one point
Mat, the Sega wasn't the first to have wireless controllers. THAT title goes ALL THE WAY back to the Atari 2600.
Also, a downloadable market place goes EVEN back to Atari's rivals, The Intellevision, and Colecovision.
The COLECOVISION had a downloadable marketplace where you could get FREE games and keep them SO LONG AS the console stayed on.
We shun that console because E.T.
King Deh-Lin E.T. or no, I play it on my PSP all the time. Without E.T.'s glitches, it could have been a great game.
E.T. Doesn't exist, just like M.I.B. 2, it didn't exist.
EntrancedSnow70 What the hell are you talking about? E.T. is a game that did exist and DOES.
Thank you matpat for all the videos you've made even though you have a new born son and with that I just want to say thank you
Genesis has an amazing library of games! I own both and feel like it holds its own in pretty much every genre
SNES has Earthbound.
We have a winner.
Earthbound was a nintendo title.
semaseri x SNES has Mega Man, Punch Out , Mario soooooo SNES wins
Ya dude SEGA
ah but genesis has a bet version of the original mega man
SNES because it has Mario!!! The best selling video game franchise ever! Mario sales put sonics in the dust
It was a bit too scripted and cluttered to me. Cool idea though, but does the title suggest every video will end in a deadlock? And we have to vote for the "winner"?
I think it's better this way, if they decided to declare one of them the winner then the comment section would have been 90% people whining over why their favorite didn't won , not saying that there will not be arguments at the moment, but....just look at the goku vs superman episode of deathbattle's comment section and you will see what I mean
Basically. The problem issues like these pose for channels like this are the fact they can't simply pick a side without considerable negative backlash from fans... So they have to try and purpose "fair" arguments and leave the choice to the viewers...
Too bad too... I'd like to hear some legit opinions looking back with an unbiased view.
Daejin Tye Yeah, I understand the reasoning, but they are going to get that regardless.
Ebolaworld
Tacoman should totally challange mattpatt!
why no more messed-up bible stories?
I wish that this channel still made deadlock videos
Well, i really like Nintendo, but your explainasion made me vote different. I vote....SEGA *sega intro music*
Dude Nintendo is the best company ever in gaming and you wanna know why?BECAUSE ITS FREAKING POPULAR AND ALOT OF PEOPLE PLAY IT
He said this channel belongs to all of us... So what's the password and username?
LOL
Gee, i wonder what his username is
password is probably 'MatPatIsAwesome'?
Probably...
It's definitely "MatPatIsAwesome". Case = 📦
I generally love The Game Theory show as it is. I watched most of the episodes out there. My only issue is that I'm a PC Gamer only, and I feel that this channel focuses way too often on console games which means I'm not too familiar with such as Legend of Zelda, Mario, Pokemon, Metroid, Smash Bros, Metal Gear franchises and etc.
I watch even episodes with these games regardlessly because enjoy how detailed they are so even a player such as myself gets the basic idea what the episode is all about. But I do hope there will be a nice balance between episode topic choices because there are sometimes months where there are 3-5 "console game" Game Theories in the row and then a PC/Mobile/Other game topic and back to console games.
As for DeadLock I really enjoyed it. Good idea and loved the video retro interface. I will definitely watch the future episodes. Though it felt odd that it's a tie when you clearly gave more arguments why Sega had less good games but had much bigger impact on the gaming industry regardlessly.
Yes but consoles are meant for games, PCs are meant for almost everything. It makes sense to do more shows on the games for the machine made for games.
Well i think that they do need to talk about PC games and they should balance it but console games are just oringinal fun and besides im sure that the games they were talking about have been put on the internet like some of the sega games at least one of those has been remade on the pc
You can’t spell Genesis without NES
SNES still wins. I mean, if they didn't do the wireless, internet and backwards compatibility, Nintendo would have done that themselves at some point. That means the Genesis really didn't do much. Then again, I can't prove possiblities
Sega took away 31 million customers from nintendo. Also without the genesis, SNES wouldnt even be a thing, because if it was up to nintendo, the NES would have lasted years.
Nintendo produced top quality but was actually, innovation wise, a bad company, and was an absolute nightmare to 3rd party developers.
And you can see this with the N64. They still used cartidges, and the horrible outdated royalty fees on cartidges. Everyone jumped ship to Playstation and the N64 lost 15 million customers compared to SNES.
Again great console, fantastic games, but severly lacking in inovation.
Then came the gamecube (my personal favorite of the nintendo consoles). Nintendo finally went for optical media, but once again wanted to hold on to royalty license fees and produced the Mini-dvd. And everyone bought a playstation 2, or an xbox, because those played DVD's. Result= 21 million gamecubes sold, 10 million customers lost.
And the dreamcast was indeed, far ahead of its time. Very easy to develop games for, cheap, and while it sold only 10million compared to gamecubes 21million, the dreamcast had a BIGGER library of games then Gamecube (680 vs 600).
SEGA was out, and with the Wii, Nintendo finally caught up with the market. if the nintendo brand is "so superior", then why did its sales declined by half everytime a new game console came out?
This is the blatant blind arrogance that nintendo fanboys have.
And i have all those nintendo consoles on my shelf. And i recently got the SEGAS. And i agree now in 2020= Genesis>SNES. Genesis did, what nintendon't
I think the fact that consoles didn't have really any of those innovative ideas until like a decade after Genesis shows that the Genesis, while yes, being ahead of its time, didn't actually influence the market in those aspects.
For an analogy, you could look at Archimedes. He discovered one of the foundations of integral calculus, but it never caught on and calculus was discovered without any relation to Archimedes. Archimedes discovered something great, yet it had no impact.
The Genesis is similar to it in that regard.
snes gayest
@@zarki-games also due to the fact that actually wireless controllers had been attempted for most console since the 2600 means that fact isnt true and for the internet part Nintendo tried it as well though only in japan with using satellite which while being different from the Sega channel did do things very different and also the whole backward combability thing is just wrong as the mega drive is what the genesis was called everywhere else other than America. Now there was something you could get that could player master system games but it was a separate thing and also who really was playing the master system? Also they weren't the first to do that as Atari strikes back again as the 5200 had a add on you could get to play 2600 games which was done to get people to buy the 5200 but the 7800 came out of the box ready to play 2600 games which was the first of its kind until sony did that with the ps2.
That comeback at 8:40 though ...
ikr
OHHHHH GET #SHREKT JERARD
#GETREKTINTHEFACE
What kinda killed it was his false claim that Sega was the first to come out with wireless controllers when it was actually Atari.
It's so hard to process the MatPat has a *FACE* sometimes...
***** but his lips move like a human in this and it freak s out
I just scroll down and read the comments and wait for it to go away.
I know
You guys didn't mention the shoulder buttons...
Don't you mess with my Vectorman!!! That, Comix Zone, Poltriguist, Ballz, and of course, all the sonic games.
1. Sega doesn't even make consoles now and Nintendo is still going strong.
2.Sega Develops for multiple consoles.
3.SNES had far superior games. I don't care about hardware as long as it has good games.
4.Without the original NES people would be like Video Games? Weren't those the things people played 30 years ago?
5. Wireless controllers... They are a pain. Plays game for 3 hours. Damn it I have to replace the batteries/charge it!
6. Sonic is slower than Mario? That is sad. Sonic is a super powered Hedgehog but he is still slower than a fat Italian Plumber?
7. Internet gaming wasn't relevant then.
Only good thing about Sega at the moment is they develop for multiple consoles and they didn't even do that back then. I love backwards compatibility... Shame only Nintendo seems to do it these days.
Flame War ended SNES wins and Nintendo wins the Flame Wars all together.
Please don't hate on my comment this is just my opinion. Even though there are plenty of idiots who hate on people for saying anything bad about there consoles. I mean every gaming company has at least one person like this.
Don't get me wrong I still love Sega. I also wish they would start making consoles again.
Nintendo isn't still going strong. They have crappy Mario and Zelda games and shitty consoles. Nintendo's golden age is over. It even took Nintendo 5 years to make the 3S on the 3DS actually work. PS4 and XB1 are the only good consoles out today. Nintendo also made Amiibo, enough said. Nintendo also hasn't made any groundbreaking franchises since the 90's.
Cooper Weiser TL;DR: Everything you said is false except for the whole 3D-thing. But who cares about that either way?
HAHAH the Amiibo is extremely successful, to the point that most of them are sold out the same day they come out XD. Also, splatoon, my friend, won E3 2014 single-handedly. That is, a new, groundbreaking franchise. Xenoblade? Tomodachi? Crappy Zelda games my ass, check out Zelda U and speak again. As for Mario I kind of agree. Also, Nintendo is running on a profit, and even if they didn't they could easily run for 50+ years without firing A SINGLE employee. They are currently going on an upwards curve, with a +0.33% increase today. Sony is going steeply down, with a -0.81% and is overall about to disintegrate as a company. You heard right, the PS5 might not even happen! Nintendos stock value is 4 times that of Sony. As for the Xbox you can't really get an accurate representation as the Xbox isn't Microsofts main product. Also, exclusives: The only exclusive for the PS4 I managed to find that IS RELEASED and WORTH BUYING is Infamous: Second Son. As for The Xbone I guess maybe Scalebound when it releases? I mean, it's platinum games, after all. But, didn't find ANY game worth buying that is released for the Xbone ONLY. As for good exclusives for the Wii U: DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED!
Good point, Microsoft also does computers, not just gaming consoles. Even if the Xbox fails, they still have an army of computers they can make money off of, note I said IF the xbox fails, but right now it is going strong.
Cooper Weiser look at sanic , which good sonic games werereleased recently ? Sanic bewm ? that game is crapshit . Mario and zelda games are still good and better than any sega product .
As someone who's owned both a Genesis and an SNES, I found that it really doesn't matter that much. They're both great consoles, and they exceed in a lot of areas. They both aren't perfect, but seeing as the debate among fans is going on today, that just shows how much of an impact they left on the people who grew up with it.
Agree, SNES had better games and GENESIS had better ideas
Silver Ring Yea, Agreed. Nintendo was like "Let's make some awsome games like 3D platforming titles." And Sega was saying "Why don't you add online gameplay and wireless controllers?" Am I right?
You had a good point
Genesis was the perfect console for arcade games, shmups (Thunderforce, OMG!) and sport games with it's speed and SNES had the upper hand with the more epic games (Terranigma, Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger). I too own both consoles though and love them just as much :D
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Matpat: I activate my trap!
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Me: goddamn you
The only thing the Genesis did before any other console was online play.
DLC - Mattel Intellivision
Wireless controllers - Atari 2600 (joysticks yes but controllers still) (even NES had wireless controllers)
Backwards Compatibility - Magnavox Odyssey^2
Game Cases - Master System (Genesis/Mega-Drive real innovative amirite?)
Disks - PC-Engine (Which is way better than Sega-CD I might add)
DLC-can't seem to argue with you
wireless controllers- they were joysticks but they were wireless(no it didn't all the NES controllers were wired)
backwards compatibility-true but it's not a really revolutionary machine
game cases-true true
disks-true as well
all in all a good argument my good sir.
Chris The NES DID have wireless controllers. www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/04/nes_wireless_controller_mod_lg.jpg and www.nintendocity.com/pictures/box_scans/nes/wireless_controller_back.jpg
Dlc? It was the Famicom that started DLC Super Nintendo did it first Nintendo also was in the works with online services for the Famicom with AT&T but the plan fell through. As I remember clearly when learning about video game history the Nintendo Famicom and its yellow looking floppy disc could be inserted in machines around Japan to install new content or extensions to the game hell Nintendo had the first wireless services for handhelds
True!
Z3withthefaceguy I thought those weren't official controllers cool
Seriously, this is pretty awesome. And MatPat, kudos on looking freaking awesome in that black void at the beginning after your introduction of Deadlock.
As for SNES vs. Genesis, I'm kinda biased. My console gaming experiences as a child were more lacking than others. I never got the chance to play the games that a lot of people say defined their childhood, and even if I had, I wouldn't have understood them at all. But life stories are for another time and for people who are actually interested enough to ask.
My vote is for the Genesis, only because that and the PlayStation 2 were the only consoles I ever had as a kid, and I used to ask my dad every night to let me stay up late so I could play "Sonic & Knuckles". That was my childhood right there.
Make more Deadlock episodes!
that was awsome,make more
I say that SNES wins, in history there have been a lot of movements where inventions were repeated. Like I would just be inspired by the remote to create a wireless console. It's true Genesis came up with those ideas faster but other gaming companies could've made it. What I just said now could be backfired at me with my support of SNES but people focus more on inventions instead of new gaming styles concluding to the fact that the gaming styles SNES made could've taken longer. Also SNES created the GREATEST mascots in gaming history in my opinion. It worked as if it was a comic company. These games have also inspired a LOT of people to make better versions of their games like from RPG in SNES, the most popular game on the net WoW (not really sure that it's still most popular) was made but new gadgets can't really inspire you to make better versions of it but you can only add better performance, like smartphones war that just increases performance and that's all there is to it. I would say SNES has won.
Sega wins
Iulian Macsim i like your arguement
TheGamingGod1217 thanks :)
its you >:c
SNES wins. plus this guy has some good points.
So, I liked this series and think it's a great premise. The concept of having two well-known personalities debate out gaming's toughest choices is a great concept and I think you have implemented it well. One thing I noticed though is that you guys are focusing quite a bit on the flashy graphics you made for this new series and less on the actual content. One reason I really like the regular game theory episodes is because they offer a nice amount of in-game content. I realize this is a bit more difficult when talking about consoles, but I would have liked to see more prominence in the consoles and games themselves.
Totally agree with this guy^^^
Same here
Agreed
He gave plenty of console info, but there's not much to give. This was just a bad topic for the episode, where there was not much argument to be made. In later episodes, they will probably do better topics where they can really stretch out their nerd knowledge. The flashy lights shouldn't matter, they are a bonus, they don't take away much. I like them.
this was super cool i loved it
This is nearly 5 years old