This was by far the most exhausting show that I’ve ever marched. I don’t think I put my horn down very much, or stop moving for that matter. The average tempo was so high for the show.
Which is funny, because as someone who has never marched a corps before, one might think that this show doesn’t LOOK quite as physically demanding as some other Cadets shows have. It just goes to show how much hidden difficulty there is in this activity. Thanks for putting on such a great show! It’s one of my favorite Cadets shows!
I marched mellophone on the 1994 Cadet show, also west side story. I appreciate seeing & hearing this. I heard some arrangements we had gone over in camp that didn’t make our show then. And the mellophone soli in “cool” was spot on with ours; great flashback. It was all very cool. Thanks for posting!
The M&M is absolutely amazing. The evolution of drum corp since the 1960s, when I was first exposed, is unbelievable. I believe it began with the Bridgemen, who broke the mold and changed what we see on the field. Back in the day, the Senior Corps were the creme de la creme. Today, DCI marches circles around them. However, I must say I love em all.
Acutually almost ALL of DCI left traditional uniforms for BODY SUITS - I don't watch new shows anymore, I WATCH THE OLD SHOWS 1983 to 2012. Late 80's is my fav.
@@pianobypc1031 I agree with everything you said, but I will say that 2013-2016 had some great drills and show concepts. Cadets 2015 in my opinion is one of the most difficult drills of that decade
OMG, it does NOT get any better than this. It is really nice to see just people on the field instead of the flimsy platforms, etc. which take away from the performance. Every group is spot on and Leonard Bernstein would be proud of the way his music was executed. Great job, Cadets and hats off to the fantastic leaders, teachers, choreographers, arrangers and anyone else involved with this outstanding corp. Great job, all!!
Yes, 84 was better. So nice to meet someone who likes old traditional drum corps. The 09 west side show had some predictability and squareness at times whereas 84 was groundbreaking in my opinion.@Micah the Drum Corps Pseudoboomer and Nerd
I am totally impressed with all of the show but especially the drill and the flag work. All of the instructors are to be commended and praised for all of the work they did and to all of the marching members I say Bravo. What a show!!!
Wow!!! Another super great Cadets show that deserved to win the championship…thanks for sharing! I thought marching to west side story in ‘84, was a beast, but this made WSS in ‘84, seem like a stand still…✌️🎤🔥😉🥁
I think the difficulty in this show lies in the transitions between the various West Side songs(there's like 14 songs on the West Side soundtrack) ...the Cadets always incorporate great musical and rhythmical intricacy in their pianissimo playing which sometimes gets lost in the stands and in video.
Having marched this show. The difficulty was that we didn’t stop moving and playing. It was rare for us to park and play. It is odd to say this but the 2009 cadets came out very strong but just got very tired towards the end of the year. The show is very difficult because it just demanded too much stamina, both physically and musically.
I so wish DCI would return to these days when it was about the actual drum corp marching, playing and executing difficult manuevers instead of all the props and costumes they expect now. It totally takes the corp away from being the main focal point.
@Micah the Drum Corps Pseudoboomer and Nerd No. I am saying that Drum Corp used to be about marching and manuevering while playing difficult music and performing intricate drill. Somewhere along the way, the rise of Winterguard and Indoor percussion was integrated with and has largely overtaken Drum Corp even to the point of having the World Championships indoors at the same location every single year instead of moving to different parts of the country at outdoor venues. Corps change uniforms every year now like Winterguard and Indoor percussion to match a theme or story. The colorguard has become more of the focus and the wind players have had to become more like members of the colorguard learning to dance and act. While it is entertaining and provides wide latitude for creativity, it also brings with it a TON more subjectivity to an already subjective judging method. I say let the colorguard be the visually expressive, story-tellers and let the brass and percussion do the difficult manuevers and playing. When you go to see a broadway play, do you expect the pit orchestra to dress in costume and come on stage and play? No. They have a role that is as vital as the actors on stage, but you don't cross train everyone to all participate in the same roles. One more observation which I have seen personally is that BOA, Winterguard and Indoor percussion teaches parents is that crowd reaction helps with scoring. A rifle toss, or a loud percussion riff. So I have seen parents in the crowd ONLY show expression and appreciation for their own child's performing group and then sit on their hands when other groups do even more amazing feats than the group they are supporting. There is far less general appreciation for Drum Corps and what they do during the performance. I know this might be anectdotal, but if you listen to the old DCI performances from the 80-90s compared to recent shows, the general crowd enthusiasm corp to corp is night and day. So that is what I am mainly missing in the sport.
@The_legend27 Drill like this is the reason I auditioned for the Cadets and was lucky enough to march this show! Jeff Sacktig is a drill writing genius.
@@cleverchickenable It wasn't a penalty, just that the percussion score from semis to finals dropped 1 point (out of 20, which is then divided by 2 when added to the total score) from 3rd place down to 7th, and it's speculated the drumline kind of fell apart after the snare player fell. Crown's score dropped from 97.55 to 97.50 semis to finals and we had a 97.20 on both nights. If our percussion score stayed the same, or only dropped by .3 or less, then we would've gotten the silver.
@@ajwebber Imagine if the durmb or the turmpet though? Honestly it was turmpet after everything’s said and done the penalty wouldn’t have been on any of the shit show durmbs. These judges can be pretty biased. That’s just how I feel.
I spoke to one of the snare players after we got back to the housing site, and I asked him how we ended up 9th in percussion. He couldn't tell me a good reason since their musical run was just fine, and the fall (I never saw it myself) was just minor with a fast recovery. I was still proud of how much they had improved over that season, so yeah, I wish we got the gold, but it really doesn't matter.
You really marched for my favorite corps of all time and a great show too. Cadets were my fav in 2009 and I thought y’all deserved the gold. I’m actually auditioning for Cadets this year on mello, hope I make it and get to wear the greatest uniform of all time!!!
Musically, I’ll opt for the Garfield Cadets 84’ version of West Side story…to me, that show packs more emotional intensity, drive, and fire-and ,overall, it is more musically cohesive…this version sounds a bit more…. subdued. It is not as impactful….the arrangements sound more sanitized and choppy-too many themes strung together without letting it fully breathe on each theme…
84 Cadet Contrabase here! This show is a schitshow. We killed it in ´84 to win World Championship. Far better hornline and drumline. We were all teenage professionals. And our show was far more complex than this.
The drill is far better and more sophisticated than in the 1984 show, but the music is seriously less demanding and disappointingly less satisfying than 1984's.
@@mikesecor6074 LOL we couldn't we were too busy running a marathon. 😆I was concentrating on not dying. My nose was bloodied 2 or 3 times that year because we were running into each other! Sadly the horn book was hosed down week after week. But this is really a high-cam show anyway. 😋
do you even know west side story? every single note I've heard so far in the first minute 20 is from it. they're from the very first track, some of them are also in 83. they're playing "something's coming" after that. it's totally recognizable. I recommend listening to the original again. it's all there.
This show is a great example of how badly DCI has devolved into gibberish. Watch 84, then 94, and then end with this, and tell me you can find any discernible melodies in this show 90% of the time. DCI has become far too abstract musically, and as a result- dreadfully boring. I can hum 84 or 94 from start to finish in my head. I would never, in a million years, be able to do that as so much of the 12 min show consists of music without melody, little that you can discern as coherent- all, I presume, in an attempt to be more highbrow, but along the way, you gotta be losing a ton of the audience. I cannot be alone in hating the form that DCI has mostly transitioned into.
This is of course one of several “West Side Story” shows that have had permission from the Bernstein estate for Garfield to put on the field. Probably the worst. My overall feeling about this show is “weak”. Of course “WSS” will always be part of the lore and history of a corps now forever gone.
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This was by far the most exhausting show that I’ve ever marched. I don’t think I put my horn down very much, or stop moving for that matter. The average tempo was so high for the show.
In complete Cadet fashion. FHNSAB
That sound ❤❤❤
Which is funny, because as someone who has never marched a corps before, one might think that this show doesn’t LOOK quite as physically demanding as some other Cadets shows have. It just goes to show how much hidden difficulty there is in this activity. Thanks for putting on such a great show! It’s one of my favorite Cadets shows!
@@MinkyBoodle44 They made this show look easy with how well they marched and played it. Typical of Cadets shows, which is why I marched in 2000.
I marched mellophone on the 1994 Cadet show, also west side story. I appreciate seeing & hearing this. I heard some arrangements we had gone over in camp that didn’t make our show then. And the mellophone soli in “cool” was spot on with ours; great flashback. It was all very cool. Thanks for posting!
The M&M is absolutely amazing. The evolution of drum corp since the 1960s, when I was first exposed, is unbelievable. I believe it began with the Bridgemen, who broke the mold and changed what we see on the field. Back in the day, the Senior Corps were the creme de la creme. Today, DCI marches circles around them. However, I must say I love em all.
Thank God Almighty they're bringing back the classic uniforms
Fingers crossed it stays...
Acutually almost ALL of DCI left traditional uniforms for BODY SUITS - I don't watch new shows anymore, I WATCH THE OLD SHOWS 1983 to 2012. Late 80's is my fav.
@@pianobypc1031 I agree with everything you said, but I will say that 2013-2016 had some great drills and show concepts. Cadets 2015 in my opinion is one of the most difficult drills of that decade
OMG, it does NOT get any better than this. It is really nice to see just people on the field instead of the flimsy platforms, etc. which take away from the performance. Every group is spot on and Leonard Bernstein would be proud of the way his music was executed. Great job, Cadets and hats off to the fantastic leaders, teachers, choreographers, arrangers and anyone else involved with this outstanding corp. Great job, all!!
that ballad is fantastic definitely one of the cadets greats imo
The drill/marching is non-stop. Wow. This is a major 13 min workout!
Now this entertains me! Modern drum corps does not entertain me like this does...
Yes, 84 was better. So nice to meet someone who likes old traditional drum corps. The 09 west side show had some predictability and squareness at times whereas 84 was groundbreaking in my opinion.@Micah the Drum Corps Pseudoboomer and Nerd
Forgot to add. Garfield, who cares where they call home today, is the BEST east coast drum corp ever.....
1984 show was iconic and the gold standard, nothing before or since was able to capture The essence of West Side Story.
But this was pretty damn good! Can’t deny that. A worthy sequel in all respects.
Excellent! Bergen County! You’re the best tonight!
THE END OF THE OPENER--i've NEVER seen that before. That was FREAKIN amazing drill!! THANK YOU JEFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am totally impressed with all of the show but especially the drill and the flag work. All of the instructors are to be commended and praised for all of the work they did and to all of the marching members I say Bravo. What a show!!!
Wow!!! Another super great Cadets show that deserved to win the championship…thanks for sharing! I thought marching to west side story in ‘84, was a beast, but this made WSS in ‘84, seem like a stand still…✌️🎤🔥😉🥁
I think Bernstein would approve.
What an incredible show.
I think the difficulty in this show lies in the transitions between the various West Side songs(there's like 14 songs on the West Side soundtrack) ...the Cadets always incorporate great musical and rhythmical intricacy in their pianissimo playing which sometimes gets lost in the stands and in video.
Having marched this show. The difficulty was that we didn’t stop moving and playing. It was rare for us to park and play. It is odd to say this but the 2009 cadets came out very strong but just got very tired towards the end of the year. The show is very difficult because it just demanded too much stamina, both physically and musically.
@@maximilianalexander2823 no doubt lots of movement plus covering much more of West Side than '84
@@jamesrgoes This is '84 will stand out much more than '09.
Such an underrated show!
very good remake for a classic that has been done . . . . ? one could argue too many times ? but I couldn't think of a better group to restart it !
I feel like the Cadets in general are quite underrated
I so wish DCI would return to these days when it was about the actual drum corp marching, playing and executing difficult manuevers instead of all the props and costumes they expect now. It totally takes the corp away from being the main focal point.
@Micah the Drum Corps Pseudoboomer and Nerd No. I am saying that Drum Corp used to be about marching and manuevering while playing difficult music and performing intricate drill. Somewhere along the way, the rise of Winterguard and Indoor percussion was integrated with and has largely overtaken Drum Corp even to the point of having the World Championships indoors at the same location every single year instead of moving to different parts of the country at outdoor venues. Corps change uniforms every year now like Winterguard and Indoor percussion to match a theme or story. The colorguard has become more of the focus and the wind players have had to become more like members of the colorguard learning to dance and act.
While it is entertaining and provides wide latitude for creativity, it also brings with it a TON more subjectivity to an already subjective judging method. I say let the colorguard be the visually expressive, story-tellers and let the brass and percussion do the difficult manuevers and playing. When you go to see a broadway play, do you expect the pit orchestra to dress in costume and come on stage and play? No. They have a role that is as vital as the actors on stage, but you don't cross train everyone to all participate in the same roles.
One more observation which I have seen personally is that BOA, Winterguard and Indoor percussion teaches parents is that crowd reaction helps with scoring. A rifle toss, or a loud percussion riff. So I have seen parents in the crowd ONLY show expression and appreciation for their own child's performing group and then sit on their hands when other groups do even more amazing feats than the group they are supporting. There is far less general appreciation for Drum Corps and what they do during the performance. I know this might be anectdotal, but if you listen to the old DCI performances from the 80-90s compared to recent shows, the general crowd enthusiasm corp to corp is night and day. So that is what I am mainly missing in the sport.
Phenomenal show! At least 5 standing ovations…that says it all.
Red Bull should sponsor The Cadets.
So underrated. Thanks for posting Stevie B!!
Good show, but overall 1984's show was the better one.
'84 show was absolutely magical.
I miss marching this show
That was the most complicated and most synchoinized M and M show I have ever seen. These kids were awesome.
This is what marching looks like. I'm exhausted just watching them.
That company front RUNNING forward gives me the chills
This has to be one of the most difficult music books ever executed on a field
Incredible marching but I missed those melo solos from 1984.
Fantastic!!! The letters at the end - Great! Forgive my ignorance. What did the 5 represent?
75th year anniversary of the corps.
That drill 😮 amazing
I wish in 2009 the high camera position was higher, what were they thinking lol
YES! I always think this when watching 09' again. It was their first year in the oil can though so...
How could any ending be better than a Z-pull? And no mello runs in “Tonight”?
How many sub sets from 3:45 to the end of the opening. This show had some of the best drill moves in 09
We had no subsets from 3:45 to the end of the opener, but we did have a 3 count move at 3:59. Other than that, it was mostly 6 count sets.
@The_legend27 Drill like this is the reason I auditioned for the Cadets and was lucky enough to march this show! Jeff Sacktig is a drill writing genius.
My FAVORITE modern cadets show. Think they should have passed Crown, controversial opinion.
They technically did beat Crown if there was no penalty in percussion for the snare falling over in Cool.
@@josiahcourtney5764 damn, that’s rough. I didn’t even know that was worthy of a penalty. Was crown penalized in 2014 for the snare fall?
I think the kids are calling this old school now. 😆
@@cleverchickenable It wasn't a penalty, just that the percussion score from semis to finals dropped 1 point (out of 20, which is then divided by 2 when added to the total score) from 3rd place down to 7th, and it's speculated the drumline kind of fell apart after the snare player fell. Crown's score dropped from 97.55 to 97.50 semis to finals and we had a 97.20 on both nights. If our percussion score stayed the same, or only dropped by .3 or less, then we would've gotten the silver.
@@ajwebber Imagine if the durmb or the turmpet though? Honestly it was turmpet after everything’s said and done the penalty wouldn’t have been on any of the shit show durmbs. These judges can be pretty biased.
That’s just how I feel.
How has no one brought up how much Hopkins paced the front sideline at nauseam throughout this video. My god get that man a leash.
that was crazy good!
DCI is so goofy now, when did this level of pure performance end?
This show is such a beast, feels like a championship show, I think they should have at least silvered.
It would have easily had the snare player not gone down in “Cool.” 🤭
I spoke to one of the snare players after we got back to the housing site, and I asked him how we ended up 9th in percussion. He couldn't tell me a good reason since their musical run was just fine, and the fall (I never saw it myself) was just minor with a fast recovery.
I was still proud of how much they had improved over that season, so yeah, I wish we got the gold, but it really doesn't matter.
You really marched for my favorite corps of all time and a great show too. Cadets were my fav in 2009 and I thought y’all deserved the gold. I’m actually auditioning for Cadets this year on mello, hope I make it and get to wear the greatest uniform of all time!!!
@@keyowilson5695 A snare player going down is NEVER a minor thing.
@@josiahcourtney5764 I might be joining up at the Cadets too as a baritone player! Hope we both get in :)
@6:45 that clueless judge ruined that dance solo moment
need a melo solo from Barbara Maroney
Yeah, that's so beautiful
The black out uniforms would have sent this over the top! That's the missing cooking ingredient.
6:33 best momentt
Just two words: Drum! Corp!
They HAD TO have won! Execution, Gen FX, Perc, Horns, Guard LOOKED FLAWLESS! Who took this show? I’d like to see who beat them, if anyone did.
BD won with a 99.15 and crown barely beat them, I believe only due to a percussion penalty.
99.15? Ok, lookin for their performance, thnx!
Musically, I’ll opt for the Garfield Cadets 84’ version of West Side story…to me, that show packs more emotional intensity, drive, and fire-and ,overall, it is more musically cohesive…this version sounds a bit more…. subdued.
It is not as impactful….the arrangements sound more sanitized and choppy-too many themes strung together without letting it fully breathe on each theme…
Wow! Huge color guard. How many did they have marching?
Looks like 40 guard.
No jet song?
West Side Story, "3" words and "13" letters.
13x3=you got it, 33 degree freemasonary.
... 13x3 = 39
oooof
84 Cadet Contrabase here! This show is a schitshow. We killed it in ´84 to win World Championship. Far better hornline and drumline. We were all teenage professionals. And our show was far more complex than this.
The drill is far better and more sophisticated than in the 1984 show, but the music is seriously less demanding and disappointingly less satisfying than 1984's.
the pit really tried to play the songs, NOT the Horn line.
@@mikesecor6074 LOL we couldn't we were too busy running a marathon. 😆I was concentrating on not dying. My nose was bloodied 2 or 3 times that year because we were running into each other! Sadly the horn book was hosed down week after week. But this is really a high-cam show anyway. 😋
7:27
Uh....is there a recording going on at the beginning? With whistling? Never thought I'd see that in DCI.
I think there was about 30 seconds of West Side Story music in this show.
no way. it's way way more than that.
so far I've heard 43 seconds of it, all the way from 0:20 till 1:03.
do you even know west side story? every single note I've heard so far in the first minute 20 is from it. they're from the very first track, some of them are also in 83. they're playing "something's coming" after that. it's totally recognizable. I recommend listening to the original again. it's all there.
@3:46 That is all.
Ok great eeeaCcxxxxxxv
Geez. Half the corps is on the sidelines in the pit.
Corps nowadays don't even march 10% as much as this.
This show is a great example of how badly DCI has devolved into gibberish. Watch 84, then 94, and then end with this, and tell me you can find any discernible melodies in this show 90% of the time. DCI has become far too abstract musically, and as a result- dreadfully boring. I can hum 84 or 94 from start to finish in my head. I would never, in a million years, be able to do that as so much of the 12 min show consists of music without melody, little that you can discern as coherent- all, I presume, in an attempt to be more highbrow, but along the way, you gotta be losing a ton of the audience. I cannot be alone in hating the form that DCI has mostly transitioned into.
Thank you. From your keyboard to God's ear, I wish.
what are you even talking about? I recognize all of the melodies from West Side Story in this, they're just arranged and mixed more freely.
This is of course one of several “West Side Story” shows that have had permission from the Bernstein estate for Garfield to put on the field. Probably the worst. My overall feeling about this show is “weak”. Of course “WSS” will always be part of the lore and history of a corps now forever gone.
A disgrace to the 84 show
Thank you very much. You have a very nice drum corps
The earth is flat.