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Bill Paxton in Alien, Bill Paxton in Terminator, Bill Paxton in Predator
He is in all three franchises of the scifi Holy Trinity
R.I.P. Sweet Prince
Predator 2 is released and crime begins to decline shortly thereafter? Coincidence? I think not. Clearly Predator 2s warnings of the future were heard and had amazing results.
This is like the most underrated sequel of all time to me.
I liked this movie more than the first. The impression I got from this Predator was that he saw the hero as another hunter. The people he kills to begin with were people Hartigan was after. The Predator was trying to get his attention by killstealing. Love it.
Hey now, to call him a "garbage monster" is extremely demeaning to Oscar the Grouch.
plus this added a few more things to the Predator-lore.
It showed that the Yautia (the species the predators are known as in their tongue and other alien species that we only see in the comics) culture has some strange sense of hunter's code. Never harm a non-combatant, (fake weapon having kid) never attack the sick or pregnant (unless that sick person attacks first) Any one who is able to defeat a Yautia is worthy of respect. PLus it was so dope when we saw the Xenomorrph head in predator 2.....god I was 7 when I saw that I was like...."holy crap the Predator haunted the Alien too!
of course this was before I found the comics and video games
It's rather strange, in the '90s people were A-OK with insubordination then the '00s came and people thought insubordination was equal to treason, now in '10s people are very distrustful of insubordination and subordination because they can equally screw up.
I'm not sure I agree. Maybe my media experience is different from yours, but 2000-2010 had a lot of very popular insubordination. Main character heros who don't play by the rules, but deliver results: Most notably 24 (although I haven't watch any myself), but also Taken, the Bourne Trilogy, Tropa de Elite, I Robot, etc. I feel like the trope of cops breaking rules or going against the system never really went away. House MD is a quintessential TV series of that decade and it featured a main character who is pretty much personified insubordination.
I always enjoyed this film a little more than the first. Partly because it added to the mythology of the Predators themselves. The scene in the bathroom where it's doing first aid always fascinated me. Also, did you ever notice that Harrigan seems to have a fear of heights? It's subtle, but it's there.
I don't think it is even remotely subtle
This is only going to show how much of a nerd I am, but one of my favorite films scenes is the ending of Predator 2. You get the wall of skulls with a xenomorph included, a whole pack of yautja confronting the hero, and then that great reveal of the date on the old firearm. I was a very happy young monster-nerd at that scene, lol.
Except that that quick shot of the trophy wall was responsible for giving us those two turds called AvP and AvP2. ;)
1SaG
After so much development hell, was it at all a surprise? lol
Fair point. However: I'm not too sure a cross-over was a good idea to begin with. It was a great little sight-gag in P2 and some of the AvP-video-games were great ... but a basis for more movies? And anyway: Are there any successful (movie-) crossovers? Freddie vs. Jason was a pretty awful stinker as well. And no: Marvel-movies don't count.. :D
To me, all those efforts reek of desperation and are something of a last-ditch effort to further milk a franchise that's already been milked to death. Kinda like some of those ultra-trashy 1960s/70s horror-flicks that put classic horror-characters (Dracula, Frankenstein's monster, the Mummy, etc) on-screen together.
1SaG
I liked the sight gag much better than the end product of the AvP films, because really, something so epic is going come with expectations and with the way Hollywood execs are, it was always going to disappoint, so I guess that's why I wasn't so upset that they sucked (the mean-spiritedness of Requiem is another issue entirely, neither here nor there). I'm one of the few who liked Freddy vs Jason, I liked the characterization of both of them in the film, but I can see why it fell flat for a lot of fans (although again long development hell for that one too so no surprise there).
I love the way Leon talks lately in this show, sounds more relaxed, funny and engaging, makes me want to hear more. cool episode ^^
Hey, is that Morton Downey, Jr.?
I like to imagine this movie is what happen to Murtaugh when Riggs dies (perhaps fighting Predator)
Underrated classic!
Your content is great! I am glad you see this movie in a different light than most
Thank you for releasing this! I love it, Thank you!
I was not expecting this in the slightest.
It's about time that optimism would return to scifi. A cycle of NASA films would be great, starting with Apollo 13
Excellent as ever Leon, your videos have only gotten better and better as the years go on
I love this film. A forgotten gem.
I treat these like lessons & I love it. Keep doing what you're doing.
Leon- What do you consider to be other key films in the "sci-fi urban hellscape" genre besides the ones you listed? Adjacent films that are not sci-fi like The Warriors and Assault on Precinct 13 are welcome too.
I feel like the Cowboy cop trope definitely continued long after this film. I mean the brusque tough guy cop who breaks the rules repeatedly to get the bad guy was a staple of television up until the last couple of years (Detective Stabler, Agent Gibbs, etc.)
Was never expecting to see this movie on Renegade Cut. Pleasantly surprised. Any chance of looks at other movies of the era like Running Man?
I too am glad we're seemingly moving away from SF as post-9/11 commentary. Not that that wasn't a deep well - it clearly is - but moving into to 2010's in particularly it increasingly felt like Hollywood (and American television) was dragging its feet creatively using it's place in the American consciousness to easily create the illusion of depth.
Word. The zombie stuff that just won't die (how appropriate!) is like the last vestige of the post-9/11era in entertainment. Now, I love me a good zombie story, but I'm ready for it to be put to bed for a couple of decades.
I honestly love Predator 2. In fact, the whole Predator franchise (_from Predator, Predator 2, and even Predators_) has been a solid source of compelling sci-fi horror stories. Keep up the good work.
The weirdest thing about the gross Jamaican stereotypes in Predator 2 is that the director was himself Jamaican.
Nice to see a another guilty pleasure type of movie review on this channel (even though I've never been a fan of P2).
Good analysis as always Leon do you think you could do a review of the 1987 noir/mystery film ''Angel Heart ''.?
Idk about optimism, all the modern space movies are about escaping a dying earth.
Are you reviewing horror movies since it's October? Do you post a schedule of films you'll be reviewing?
The press has a RIGHT to know! Harrigan! HAAAAAAARRRRRRIIIIIIGGGGGGAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!
I think I disagree with the ending thought. That movies like interstellar and The Martian are a sign of optimism. It seems more to me like they are a sign of the idea that people just want to get away from this rock we call home ie escapism rather than optimism. but I guess that's just me... After all this dacade also features Elysium with Earth going to shit and the privileged few living away from the shitstorm on an space station.
Where can I find your Ferris Bueller video? l've been looking and l can't find it anywhere.
l am the sad
Hi Leon! I have a quick question. Could you please tell me the names of the tracks you used as background music in your Full Metal Jacket analysis?
Thank you so much!
Renegade Cut
Ohh no worries thank you very much.
What made Predator 2 a disappointing sequel in the main was a lopsided endgame. Time and again, Harrigan rushed headlong into combat, avoided significant injury, and dealt tremendous damage to the Predator. By contrast, Dutch owed all his gains to careful observations and preparations. A lone human could not hope to overpower the Predator, but he could manage to outmaneuver it.
+RIDDICK0911
The film does not show Harrigan pressing any clear advantage over the Predator, so the devastating injuries that Harrigan manages to inflict on the Predator with relative impunity look more like good luck than superior drive or skill.
+AlienatingPredation I think that's what the other guy is saying. The hero of both films mirrors their respective predators. The Jungle Hunter is more cerebral and plans things out like you'd find in the military and, more specifically, with Dutch. The City Hunter, like Matigan, sees his target and goes after it hard and fast. The whole conflict came down to who could hit the other first and the hardest.
I agree only in the way that Glover kills the Predator..that was just so simple...at least the way Arnold got the upper hand was more creative and plausible.
+Gootothesecond
I see what you mean.
+Lekks Luthor
In both duels, the human warrior lulls the Predator into a false sense of security. But there the symmetry ends. If a veteran commando like Dutch could not stand his ground in a face-to-face brawl with the Predator, then how could a police officer like Harrigan do so with an unfamiliar weapon?
The wierdest thing about the racial caricature in the gangs? The Colombians have accents from all over the Latin world, and the Jamacans culty-stuff is a weird hodgepodge of Rastafarianism and Voodoo- two mostly unrelated religions, the latter of which is Hatian in origin and rare in Jamaca.
Analysis aside(which I find interesting),I saw predator 2 in the theaters and loved it for the violent nature in it. I always enjoyed science fiction ,horror and action movies and it is an interesting blend of all 3 . To this day as well, occasionally watching my Blu-Ray copy of it, when it is shown on cable tv ,I always watch it again.
I didn't know everyone didn't love this movie as much as I did.
I never had a problem with Predator 2... a great sequel and highly underrated. Now considered a masterpiece after the Shane Black s**t show abomination in 2019.
what's your opinions on a movie "Lobster"?
would loved to have seen five more minutes of this review talking about why the perceived problems of the immediate future has seemed to be such a theme in American sci-fi....if i had to guess, i would say that filmmakers and studios in this country have believed that people will flock to see films that relate to the problems our mass media is drilling into them day after day.
please do ICE PIRATES
Awesome
This my favorite over the first one I live in the city I would never be in the jungle, I live in long beach near l.a., it feels like home
Surprised to see this film in RC. I find so many similarities between Predator 2 and RoboCop 2. Both sequels to far superior films. But both still retains the original's feelings.
Thanks for calling him a Garbage Monster.
Xoxo
Have you seen The Social Network, sir? It's one of my favorite films, and I love everything about it.
Is that Kent McCord from Farscape!?
I feel like Strange Days fits a lot of the criteria you describe here (sci-fi, social distopia, urban hellscape), so the genre at least dragged on to 1995. I can't come up with iconic films beyond that myself though. At least not on the spot.
Strange Days is a pretty good example of a crossroads between the 80's and 90's approach to sci-fi cinema. The urban hellscape elements were very 80's, but the technology of memory capture in the film is very much in keeping with the 90's fascination with VR.
best part good movie...
Predator is a classic. Predator 2 is great. Predators is bad. The Predator is just as worst.
Hey Leon, are you thinking of doing another stream in the near future? I enjoyed that last one. Well, you probably didn't enjoy the last one too much, but maybe something a little less subjective to your brain?
When do you think you'll do anther Q&A stream?
Got it
Come on guys. Nothing does urban hellish landscape better than the slam dunk film "Double Dragon!"
The concrete prison wall literally terrified me as a child
Ugh, the latest Body Snatchers...............
A shot to the nuts, Ouch. Game over man, game over....
Also voodoo is Haitian, not Jamaican
also this movie ruled and not for any of the reasons you stated, I never once thought about diversity when watching Danny Glover take on a predator in LA lol I loved this film :)
Predator 2 is more of a guilty pleasure for me these days. The original is just so much better and part 2 tries a bit too hard to be louder, cooler and more violent. A much better "1980s movie released in the early 90s" is "The Last Boy Scout" ... no need to feel guilty about that one .. ;)
I'm still waiting for the original, NC-17-rated, cut of Predator 2. Even before I knew that they had to make cuts for the R-rating, I always thought that some scenes felt like they had material missing. Like King Willie's death that seems to cut awkwardly to the image of his severed head being carried away - but maybe that's just sloppy editing. AFAIK, the original cut hasn't been released yet - even the "Century3 Edition" on DVD (which I own) only has the theatrical cut.
Do we still use the term "People of color"? That just sounds like a term that should be outdated by now.
Sorry, super minor thing, and the racially diverse cast is a solid point, but it just strikes me as odd when I hear that term being used.
Also, the thing about racial diversity today, I think is a sort of paradox. Because people weren't clamoring for it back in the 80s, films could have more diverse casts and it wouldn't have been looked at as a big deal. But now that people actually are calling for it, it becomes a political issue and the garbage left/right dichotomy that dominates American politics means that those who support racial diversity in movies are perceived as a threat to a social value that, strictly speaking, never actually existed by those on the supposed opposite side.
In truth, movies with racially (and sexually, if I can say that and not have it be taken wrong) diverse casts have existed in the past more than we realize and it was never really a problem for anyone. Nobody belittled predator for having a racially diverse cast, or tried to claim it was SJW propaganda (for the record, I cannot take anyone seriously who uses the term SJW without even the slightest hint of irony).
There's probably a point to be built out of this musing, but it's late for me and at the moment the only thing I can think about is that I find this a really unusual thing that might be interesting to study from perhaps a sociological perspective.
Black SJW-type here, co-signing on "people of color."
I had a reply to this written out, but I have decided that it's late, I'm tired and this is probably not the best of conditions to start a conversation on what I have a vague sense might be a sensitive issue, so I think I'll wait until morning and reconsider if anything I meant to say has enough merit to make it worth typing out again. As some obscure playwright from the late 1500s-early 1600s who you've probably never heard of once said, "Don't poke the bear at 10:30 PM; nothing good will come of it."
Of course, when he wrote it, he shifted the words around to make it fit iambic pentameter, so it sounded more poetic. >.>
I will say this though:
Suddenly, this random joke from The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy makes sense to me.
cheezemonkeyeater Can't wait to hear this.
>Also, the thing about racial diversity today, I think is a sort of paradox. Because people weren't clamoring for it back in the 80s,
Um...people of color were. You just couldn't hear it because there was no internet and we had no means of getting you to hear what we were saying in our living rooms and barber/beauty shops. That's what you're hearing now on the internet.
>films could have more diverse casts and it wouldn't have been looked at as a big deal.
...to SOME white people. People of color thought it was a pretty big deal to see someone of color on screen that WASN'T being portrayed as some gross stereotype or wasn't killed in the first act, etc.
>But now that people actually are calling for it, it becomes a political issue and the garbage left/right dichotomy that dominates American politics means that those who support racial diversity in movies are perceived as a threat to a social value that, strictly speaking, never actually existed by those on the supposed opposite side.
You mean a social structure (as opposed to a social value)? I'm not sure I understand you here. We are very slowly emerging from a social structure which was violently opposed to the social, cultural, political and economic integration of people of color into mainstream American society. There is a significant amount of the oppressor population that absolutely considers that integration to be a threat to society. These people, who ostensibly desire for society to be dominated by white people, are assisted by the "alt-right" types, who are vociferously opposed to any social structure which doesn't place straight white men into the position of the default human being.
>In truth, movies with racially (and sexually, if I can say that and not have it be taken wrong) diverse casts have existed in the past more than we realize
...what does that even mean? Sue, there were diverse casts. But was there a diversity of character and opportunity afforded to people of color in the same way that they were afforded to white people -- and white men specifically? Nope. We're still not there.
>and it was never really a problem for anyone.
Again, by "anyone" you are referring specifically to white people. This has been a problem for people of color for a LONG time, and it continues to be.
>Nobody belittled predator for having a racially diverse cast,
YOU didn't hear anyone belittle it, you mean or tried to claim it was SJW propaganda
They didn't call them that back then.
>(for the record, I cannot take anyone seriously who uses the term SJW without even the slightest hint of irony).
Cool.
>There's probably a point to be built out of this musing, but it's late for me and at the moment the only thing I can think about is that I find this a really unusual thing that might be interesting to study from perhaps a sociological perspective.
There have been shitloads of studies on this. Use google.
Ah, yes, you are probably correct there. I do tend to forget how much the internet changed the nature of public discussion.
It's amazing how quickly you can forget just how different it was before the internet made it possible for everyone to loudly express their opinions on a broad scale, even having lived before the internet was what it is today.
As for what I had been about to say last night, I think I'll pass on that now. It's not really a racial issue so much as general cultural issue that is probably not best approached from that angle (the issue not being "What do we call minorities?" so much as "What does it really mean to respect people?"). And also would need a lot more thought put into how to express the idea than can really be put into a single youtube comment.
And also it's extremely off-topic, making this very much not the correct time and place for that discussion anyway.
Danny Glover at he's greatest
Space movies show how pathetic and gullible we have become!
Garbage-Monsters LOL.
diversity for the sake of diversity.... yeee
anyway great review
Glad to see you keep your political opinion out of it...
At this point, it is hardly political to point out that Fox News or Trump are garbage fires, or that the simplistic "tough on crime" mantra of extremist conservatives provably does not work.
James Dunn I don't personally have the statistics immediately on hand, but I have seen pretty compelling data in the past showing that certain approaches to law enforcement have distinctly diminishing returns. I don't exactly keep hyperlinks for that because most of that has been in print rather than online.
I don't take that on faith, but you're free to look into it yourself so you wouldn't be taking my word on faith.
James Dunn
Fox news has lied countless times, and there is a real-time fact-checking system to point out Trump's lying, this is not up for debate, this is all extensively well-documented by their own behaviour. It really is that simple.
For someone awfully concerned with credible discussion, you were awfully quick to ad hominem the heck out of Leon, that doesn't exactly help prove your point, especially because your intentional hyperbole just undermines the damn parallel.
Yup.. nothing wrong with calling a liar a liar when the fact that he lied/lies is easily verifiable with a 30 second Google-search.
No, Islam is not a religion of peace, but if we had to get rid of all the religion that are not peaceful, only a few buddhist temples would remain open to the public.
And yeah, diversity is a strength. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have had to deal with the US in the first place.
i used to really enjoy the content of this channel but now you spend way to much time talking identity politics. can't you just talk about the content of the films rather the race/sex of the characters like who cares about that.
Dude, please keep your liberalism out of the videos. Not everyone who watches your videos share your politics.
What?
Welcome to Renegade Cut: Philosophy and Politics in Film. It says so on the header banner and in the intro to all recent episodes. If you don't want to hear about politics and philosophy, you shouldn't watch a show that is explicitly about those things. This isn't a movie review show. There are almost 300 episodes of Renegade Cut. How do you not know THAT is the premise of this show?
This is a leftist TH-cam channel and always has been. Where do you think you are right now?
The premise of the show will not be changing. You can leave any time. If you want to watch a movie review, find a different channel. That's not what this is.