Chaos pretty clearly exists throughout the entire universe, and there are plenty of statements to say it exists everywhere throughout time and space including in other realities
It would be scary if the Mandrakes are what happens eventually to all Drukhari. Would be a fitting irony that doing exactly what Slaanesh wants to stop it from eating your aoul isnt that great of a solution
The idea that only humans feed chaos is insane. Literally every race in the setting inadvertantly feed chaos or has the potential to fall into the worship of it, intentionally or accidentally. Besides humans and eldar we have had in the lore: Chaos worshipping orks Chaos worshipping genestealer cults Daemon possessed Tau Chaos corrupted Necrons and many many many minor xenos species that served chaos in some way
Humans are the dominant and most numerous species for the last 10k years and their civil war gave chaos exactly what it wanted. They are defnitely feeding chaos the most
i would love to see eldar who worship chaos as a way to save themselves from slaneesh. like a cult that not only worships iesha, but also nurgle, seeing them as the yin and yang of the galaxy. im sure nurgle would see them as his and iesha's children and freaking love it.
What are the chances of chaos eldar working with other chaos factions? Like; an outcast farseer who has given himself entirely over to tzeentch becoming an ally of convenience with the thousand sons or something.
I kinda wished that we see more of the Chaos Xenos or those who worshipped them than just humans. It would be cool to see every Xenos and humans Chaos Worshipper interact with one another or even fight each other because of their own interpretation of their gods. Hell, it could make the Black Legion even more unique in that not just any Chaos Marines from different Legions join in, but also other Xenos
Ngl I like the headcanon that, at least the daemonettes, are converted souls of Eldar the Slaanesh gets intrigued or amused by, most of which being the eldar of the homeworlds
The lore states the Harlequin go around and do thier shows for every type of Eldar, they are last united factor of the former Elder empire. This implies every once in awhile the Harlequin find the most stable Webway gate they can on the various crone worlds and go do their song and dance for those Elder Degenerate Yokels. Must be one of their weirder shows.
Oh that Croneworld stuff is some real grey-line, post apocalyptic stuff I love to hear about. Wonder if the relationship between those warped survivors and the untouched Eldar is kind of like ghouls and humans in Fallout, although obviously rarer. Still, shows how even in a super intense setting like 40k pragmatic geopolitics still wins out. Gotta get those spirit stones after all...
I swear there were some converted chaos eldar models in early White Dwarves back in the Rogue Trader days? They’re not often mentioned but I don’t think they’re a new addition to the lore.
Well there is a reason why humanity are the biggest contributers to chaos as of the current setting because of the great crusade and how they slaughtered xenos. Because many xeno races were fully dedicated to chaos or were chaos worshippers
Nah I like the 40k version where their just abhumans. Who can either be loyal to the imperial or fall to chaos. It give them a choice. Where Warhammer fantasy doesn't.
In the 9th edition Death guard codex there is talk of ealder Corsairs that unwillingly became infected by the death gaurd in passing and became these Nurgle corrupted monstrosities over time.
I always felt Dark Eldar have always been just closet-Slaaneshi since they excess torture and other vices to keep themselves safe from Slaanesh so that they don't die and get soul-eaten by Her/He/It
Hey, to be honest I also would rather give into any other chaos god when my fate is determined to be part of slaanesh! Except nurgle, but that's only because I don't like shit, let alone whatever nurgle is having for lunch.
i always assumed. that if a few gods want a soul. the person who owns the soul says who gets it. much like how Eldar Harlyquinns dont go to Slaanish case they promises there souls to the clown god. if any of that makes sensce
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Not really, if your soul is destroyed either way who cares about how it's destroyed. And hastening and guaranteeing that fate is stupid. Chaos eldar make sense as accendental chaos (which happens to humans sometimes) and eldar trapped in the eye of terror.
Personally I think there should only be Chaos Eldar loyal to Tzeentch, Khorne, and Nurgle. Slaanesh would either eat his or turn them into Daemons (AKA mini versions of himself)
Interestingly, in the 8th edition 40k rules book, there's a diagram that shows every Eldar subfaction and one of them is redacted for some reason... Could these be the Chaos Eldar?
Eldar joining another Chaos God to oppose Slaanesh seems weird, but I could almost see it happen. Drukharii are the closest beings to Chaos Eldars as fat as I'm concerned, but this could be a cool concept. 😎 Edit: Wait, does that mean that the whole speil the Chaos Gods served to Lorgar about the Eldar held *_a modicum of truth!?_*
The whole "humanity feeds chaos" isnt even slightly true Humanity isnt even the main source of power Chsos canonically exists everywhere in time and space different realities etc
Honestly I never new that the thing the inquisitor was holding in the cover art was a mutated eldar with the all red and horns i just assumed once that it was a blood thirster
I seem to recall a story about a female Dark Eldar or Eldar Corsair who caused so much suffering to others that Slaanesh actually went and granted her it’s favor and protection. Like they didn’t just loosen their hold like it does with normal Dark Eldar it straight up was giving her powers and stuff.
Slaanesh is like that sometimes. She can be just as spiteful as any chaos god, but she does tend to reward those that impress her. I still remember that one planetary govener who realised she was getting old and summoned a Keeper of Secrets into herself and rather than be possessed, ate it. She then did like like three more times before Slaanesh noticed and just made her a daemon prince. IIRC, the govener was so egotistical that she thinks Slaanesh did that to get in *her* favour, which just impressed Slaanesh more.
@@rainbowpixel_4145 So, I looked it back up and it was Ax’senaea, the Thrice-Possessed, but sadly she is only really a footnote in the Black Cusade RPG rulebook.
@@NancyDLawthey do but there's a difference between how much certain races feed chaos and how much a particular races worship Chaos. You could have the entire Tau race fall to Chaos and it might only be like throwing a pebble in a lake. Also while Orks empower Khorne extremely few worship him and most of Orks psychic affect on the warp is related to empowering Gork and Mork and not Khorne
Its a dumb statement made by people who dont understand that the emperor was only speculating that chaos would eb starved without humanity and that don't understand that chaos and by coexistence the warp exist everywhere
A few stupid authors started this idea up and fed the fire with the introduction of the Cabal. It's annoying because the idea of the Cabal is so laughably moronic that any character who takes it seriously is suddenly on my shit list for being so stupid. John Grammaticus really is the worst thing to happen to 40k
We really need a eldar lore to continue and progressing something big like the Y'nari ark in the gathering storm books, rather being " They did something-ish " Edit: Thanks for the 100+ likes 👍
@@livefromtheblacklibrary @livefromtheblacklibrary I only hope they Retcon the lore of those books like the plague wars ark which they Retcon it from " after 100 years pass, read Logar book " to " Motarian gets his ass spank by G man ( Daddy possession ) to kick him to Grandpa retirement home and burn his flowers "
I find something funny.. Humanity.. Eldari Nekrons.. One thing that they all share... Different origins but fundamentally function similarly... By this I mean simply... The difference between life living in the non habitable zone of our Star... The nekrons. Goldilocks zone... Humanity.. The non habitable zone outside of the goldilocks zone. The eldari What this means... Is of course the nekrons don't have biological bodies the adapted to a point where they could transfer at will... Probably resulting in the original nekron tiers Catan... Then they not knowing they were originally nekrons finding themselves at a whole new elevated level of understanding and being of course would end up unintentionally causing problems for the nekron tier resulting in the nekron tier reintegrating the Catan back into a physical body resulting in pharons like the storm lord and silent king... While the eldari would end up growing fundamentally hard against the natural cosmos as it would be far easier for heavier metal's gas's and minerals to form resulting in a Oasis of colors shapes scents that fill the eldari's understanding of the universe.. While humanity was left in the pit fall... No real natural way to go either... Where the eldari and nekrons found themselves where they are now... Humanity is still attempting to figure out where we fit... And if I'm not mistaken... The fear is... Weather or not we will figure out a place we fit... Or continue to attempt to figure out where we fit.... The second piece detailed is the fear.. the first piece is that we hope we find our place in all of this... Though we know we have a place for we are here... We know not what it is our place is...
I think that the eldar need more background characters who are just there. It's what makes me like space marines and imperium forces because there's just a lot of characters who just don't matter on a large scale. I honestly for the life of me can't remember an eldar character who is just in the background and doesn't really matter. Still though, cool to learn about chaos eldar which is neat.
@@totalCoolerUsername I know but eldar not having smaller scale characters is part of the reason why I just don't like them. And sure i can make up a character but it just isn't the same as reading about what a small scale eldar goober is doing for his faction.
They're not as many as the Imperium's, but there are still loads of Aeldari background-only characters. To name but some of the most important, there are Aloec Sunspear, Eliac Zephyrblade and Nuadhu Fireheart, Iyanna Arienal, Kelmon Firesight and Draeth Starhand, Kysaduras, Eldorath Starbane and Elarique Swiftblade, Elithinel Ullathani, Isarion Stormsmourn, Saarania and Kaelis Carnelia...
From the 2e Eldar codex: "Of all the servants of Chaos there are few as truly damned as the Eldar Chaos Champions, nor any as utterly at the mercy of their Chaos masters. They are lost to the Eldar race, unacknowledged and forgotten by their kinfolk, their souls eternally barred from peace." There's another 2e quote about how the Chaos Eldar are some of the most feared champions of Chaos, but I can't find that one right now. If they do a Militarum Traitoris codex for 10th, like they're rumored to do, it'd be cool to have like Chaos Eldar priests in among the human traitors inducting them into worship of the Dark Gods, not whole armies of them but interesting characters and models that fit into the broader Chaos faction. Personally I don't think Mandrakes are actually Chaos-aligned but ymmv.
I still weep for the dismal ynnari plotline and sparse miniature range. Would be nice to have them fleshed out with a vehicle and a unique unit at least
Chaos Eldar is a cool concept as long as they maintain two things- 1. The Craftworlders, and by extension anyone with even some ties to the path system, should never be shown to get corrupted. Because if they do that it pretty much invalidates the entire system that their society is based on, which would be stupid. 2. Those who are corrupted/give themselves over, should never do so to Slaanesh. Slaanesh doesn't wanna corrupt Eldar souls, they eat them. I can absolutely see an Eldar who, in their attempt to fight against slaanesh, beseech Khorne for more power. Khornate Eldar sound rad af, and not exactly implausible. Edit- Also I just realized that Una Belphoebe is the ranger from Path of the Forsaken. I wasn't aware she showed up in a different story, this is cool.
A craftworlder should still be able to become disillusioned/turn from the path and so become corrupted. Just like a loyalist marine or guardsman could. They wouldnt be a craftworlder after that obviously, but theres zero reason why that would be impossible. Any being with emotions is susceptible to falling or being tricked in to falling to chaos, thats its whole thing.
@@seaofenergy2765 and the path system's whole thing is making sure the Eldar are not swayed by the ruinous powers, particularly slaanesh. It makes use of how the eldar psyche works, creates an entire different mental compartment that provides them with safety while they make use of their skills. Its not just simple indoctrination like with spacemarines or guards. Which is why I specified "Those still with ties to the path system". Eldar can be corrupted, but that is when they walk away from the strict path systems and go down the path of the outcast. Rangers are edging the line, corsairs are even more likely to fall. Either of them falling is quite sensible. But while the craftworlders are on the path, it should be nigh impossible.
@@EngineerOfVaul I did say if they turn from the path. That would still be a craftworlder becoming corrupted, because they decided not to follow the craftworld way; for whatever reason that may be.
The path system is not flawless. Exarchs are "lost" to Khaine and will not leave the Path of the Warrior. Even Phoenix Lord Arhra of the Striking Scorpions burned with the dark light of Chaos, although not full Chaos worship. The Galaxy is a large place, and 10,000 years is a long time. An ancient Eldar who had walked many Paths and Aspects may one day come to see futility in the "salvation" of a soulstone and Infinity Circuit after seeing enough Craftworlds and Exodite worlds get destroyed. Seeking "salvation" after death, he begins to consider the contenders to Slaanesh's power: Gork, Mork, the Emperor, Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch
@@rajukoley9249 Their souls are so small in the warp that their pretty invisible. Taus can fall to chaos but it so rare,that you can count them on your fingers.
Chaos Eldar is such an interesting idea we don’t see enough of honestly. The last iteration I remember seeing was in the bile novels specifically the one with clone fulgrim (clone lord I think) Minor Spoilers below Bile had a former Corsair on his ship who literally stayed in a section that was being overtaken by wraithbone and had a group of noise marines guarding her and were able to unnerve OTHER Emperor’s children.
We need a game set in the arenas of Commorragh. Teams of oddball characters vs waves of whatever beasts the Wych Cults unleash. Inside the arenas can be stylised as Imperial worlds if GW can't imagine new terrain. Yes this is basically the last stand from DoW2.
I think it would be cool if some dark eldar fell to slaanesh in some desprate attempt to escape slaanesh like attempting to make it like him so she dosent eat him.
I always felt that there really should be certain groups of Chaos Eldar who turn to the various gods either to try to get better treatment (such as it is) from Slaanesh, or pledge to other gods as a way to try to safeguard themselves from Her because they're already claimed. There are also good reasons for why the Gods would have affinity with Eldar sects. Nurgle: Nurgle is the only reason why Isha is still alive after the birth of Slaanesh and it is well established that in his own way he is in love with her. While it is something of a community meme that Nurgle and Isha are a happy couple, rather than captive and captor, a group who venerate Nurgle as the husband and savior of Isha would be appropriate. Khorne: The difference between the doings of Khorne and Kaine are often mere semantics at the best of times, so devotees of the bloody-handed god who took things way too far and found a patron who doesn't seem to get his ass kicked every time he appears wouldn't be out of place. Tzeench: Magic and future sight are the arts of the Farseer and who better a patron to seek than the Changer of Ways himself. Eldar Farseers, with how they look to change and guide the future in subtle ways through seeking prophesy and prediction are a perfect fit for Tzeench without even changing anything. Unlike the Farseers who use their arts to try to protect their craftworlds, these guys would be much more into looking to claim dominion once more. Make the Eldar Great again. Plus, given how scary human psykers boosted by Tzeench are, an Eldar Warlock high on magic would be a force to behold. I don't think these guys should be common, but they feel like they should punch way above their weight in the power plays of Eye Space. They'd be largely contained to the Crone Worlds, but even Chaos Space Marines would think twice and making sure they have every advantage they can get before they try making a move on their turf, because the leaders of these groups will have actually been there at the birth of a God and not just survived, but thrived. As for things they'd likely have, can you imagine Wraith constructs, but instead of being piloted by dead eldar, they've been possessed by enslaved neverborn?
Your wraith construct idea should just be the old eldar empire's psychic automata possed by neverborne. Hell that's probably a big enough force to be it's own army on table top.
I would love to see pre-fall chaos Eldars, those that gave themselves to Slaneesh before it was even born and became the heart of the late Eldar Empire, led by the Dark Muses
Speaking of Dark Elders. In the SoulDrinkers omnibus. Their was a faction of Dark elders that was feeding slannish. And try to recreate a second eye of terror.
Interesting to see how many Eldar can fall to Chaos, I knew about Drukarii were linked to Chaos, more so Slaneesh, but to see just how much they can be influenced and taken by Chaos makes this whole subject much better than it already was.
If they do bring in chaos Squats I think I would like them to be more piratical than the Chaos Dwarves of fantasy. Maybe they can be mutated Kin whose DNA storages got corrupted or tainted by exposure to the warp. Don’t forget the great rift basically cuts through the galactic core AKA their old home I want to see consequences to that other than just being forced out into the galaxy. Heck maybe we can get chaos androids again with chaos corrupted Ironkin.
@@Ottersanitywe Hashut doesn’t exist in 40K and I’m perfectly happy for it to stay that way but in terms of Vashtorr I can definitely see them going down that path especially with what I just said in regards to mutations and corruption of their Ancestors cores and DNA stores. Maybe they go down a similiar path to the iron warriors only instead of replacing mutation with metal. I can imagine a lot of them falling to Khorne or Nurgle. Tzeentch is a maybe but for Slaanesh I don’t really see that happening a lot if ever.
I can just imagine an Eldar fighting off a Commissar or soemthing acting all like "filthy mon'keigh, youre the ugliest" only to get attacked mid fight to the Bat-Eldar, only for the Eldar to react in pure disgust and terror, then reluctantly change the mon'keigh to second ugliest in rank
Honestly, I advocate for more chaos xenos because it'll spice up chaos aestetically (and possibly thematically) since it's aestetic is pretty much "thing, but eviiiil and death metal-y"
I always considered any True Eldar who have become corrupted by Chaos are very rare and extremely powerful entities because of their psychic prowess. Any Eldar that somehow survived the fall must be chosen by one of the chaos gods. So yeah I don’t know what form they could appear on the tabletop but in my head canon they would be the equivalent of a daemon prince in power.
@@livefromtheblacklibrary hmm..probably deformed or full of skulls and spikes versions of the craftworld eldars? With some small variations depending of the Chaos God they are serving
I can see a war band of a drukari homoculos and his abomination bodyguards being in the lore. Or an aldari sorcerer bound to the Architect of Fate. Both Could be pretty awesome characters in the lore
They were around since early 40K. They were known to be insanely powerful psykers due to them going full overdrive unlike their non-Chaos kin who while still powerful, restrain themselves so that Slaanesh won't suck their souls. Then they were kinda retconned with the Crone World Eldar being the closest ones to the concept of Chaos Eldar. Then 8th ED came and actually mentioned them. But knowing current day GW they will foul them up like they did Squats.
Honestly I’m surprised this is weird for a lot of people. It would make sense that some Eldar would turn to slaneesh seeing as they created slaneesh thus view it as some sort of religious duty etc. so much you can explore with this.
Nurglesque Eldar sound awesome. I can see them as worshippers of the "divine union" of Isha and Nurgle. Over time, I imagine they would view other Eldar with bitterness for their ingratitude toward Nurgle.
Every time someone brings up this topic I answer the same thing "The drukhari are Slaanesh´s greatest worshippers" Granted, their situation is not how we traditionally define worship, but one doesn´t have to love a God to worship and honour them (Look at how Ares was viewed by the greeks or without even leaving the setting, Khaine or the C´tan). The Dark Eldar are the greatest champions of excess, the people that saw what decadence did to their great empire and decided to double down. No one can inflict more suffering in the most creative ways than them, their warriors see killing as an art to be mastered, same with their torturers and slave drivers. Their scientists turn people into furniture or fucked up art just as decoration or conversation pieces. And though GW is always shy to show the s*x stuff, just knowing they are the remnants of the society that birthed Slaanesh tells you what you need to know about what´ druchii bedtime like. Wether they truly restore themselves by inflicting suffering or Slaanesh simply tricked them into believing that and returns what she syphoned when they pay her tribute through their nightmarish practices, it doesn´t take a genius to understand where the immortal souls of those captured by the drukhari end up. Because eldar are arrogant above all else, they would never admit it, but about a third of them chose to serve Chaos undirectly to fulfill their selfish desires, which makes them no different than humanity, only the tau can claim purity of soul in this setting.
i love that note about ancient dark blessed artifacts are routinely unearthed and sold in whats basically a thrift market like it reminds you how old the eldar and how long 40 thousand years is that ancient badass artifacts you see heroes in some fantasy settings use are just commonly found and sold to low level cultists and pirates.
I was about to comment on your "1st edition lore" video, where you wished Chaos eldar were still canon, to bring up the rulebook's chart. Glad to see that you went back to the topic to address the matter in detail. You just earned a new subscriber!
Eldar might be special here do to the old ones specifically crafting the race to generate warp entities. This might have created a backdoor for the chaos gods to influence the eldar without their knowledge. I don't think I have heard any other race be influenced like the Eldar can so that makes me think it is something special about the Eldar and how they are a crafted race
Humanity may "currently" be the largest single source of chaotic power by a wide margin, but xenos chaos worshippers are absolutely a thing
Yeah absolutely
Chaos pretty clearly exists throughout the entire universe, and there are plenty of statements to say it exists everywhere throughout time and space including in other realities
let's not forget where Slaanesh came from
Slaanesh claimed all Laer species (snake people), so chaos worshiping xenos are a thing
Keyword: Currently. Humanity did not exist for a very long time, So the chaos gods had to feed off something else y'know
It would be scary if the Mandrakes are what happens eventually to all Drukhari. Would be a fitting irony that doing exactly what Slaanesh wants to stop it from eating your aoul isnt that great of a solution
The idea that only humans feed chaos is insane. Literally every race in the setting inadvertantly feed chaos or has the potential to fall into the worship of it, intentionally or accidentally.
Besides humans and eldar we have had in the lore:
Chaos worshipping orks
Chaos worshipping genestealer cults
Daemon possessed Tau
Chaos corrupted Necrons
and many many many minor xenos species that served chaos in some way
Humans are the dominant and most numerous species for the last 10k years and their civil war gave chaos exactly what it wanted. They are defnitely feeding chaos the most
i would love to see eldar who worship chaos as a way to save themselves from slaneesh. like a cult that not only worships iesha, but also nurgle, seeing them as the yin and yang of the galaxy. im sure nurgle would see them as his and iesha's children and freaking love it.
What are the chances of chaos eldar working with other chaos factions? Like; an outcast farseer who has given himself entirely over to tzeentch becoming an ally of convenience with the thousand sons or something.
Honestly I’d love to see that
I kinda wished that we see more of the Chaos Xenos or those who worshipped them than just humans. It would be cool to see every Xenos and humans Chaos Worshipper interact with one another or even fight each other because of their own interpretation of their gods. Hell, it could make the Black Legion even more unique in that not just any Chaos Marines from different Legions join in, but also other Xenos
Ngl I like the headcanon that, at least the daemonettes, are converted souls of Eldar the Slaanesh gets intrigued or amused by, most of which being the eldar of the homeworlds
Yeah I’ve seen that theory!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary this is new information to me that others hold the same belief
I like that it's very similar to Plaguebearers
they were implied to be former elves back in fantasy. it could be the same here
The lore states the Harlequin go around and do thier shows for every type of Eldar, they are last united factor of the former Elder empire. This implies every once in awhile the Harlequin find the most stable Webway gate they can on the various crone worlds and go do their song and dance for those Elder Degenerate Yokels. Must be one of their weirder shows.
"Chaotic eldar aren't real. They can't hurt you"
Dark Eldar: we very much are and we certainly will
Oh that Croneworld stuff is some real grey-line, post apocalyptic stuff I love to hear about. Wonder if the relationship between those warped survivors and the untouched Eldar is kind of like ghouls and humans in Fallout, although obviously rarer. Still, shows how even in a super intense setting like 40k pragmatic geopolitics still wins out. Gotta get those spirit stones after all...
Just gotta say, i like your channel, i really enjoy how you present your information. Breath of fresh air amongst the continued rehashed lore videos
My grandmother told me once "no matter what they tell you in school, Eldar can be Chaos" thank you for making my dreams come true.
"Shrikers!" .. look up "black cockatoo's" beautiful birds but omg the noise they make.
I'm not surprised. And it makes sense. Even though I'm an Aeldari player.
I swear there were some converted chaos eldar models in early White Dwarves back in the Rogue Trader days? They’re not often mentioned but I don’t think they’re a new addition to the lore.
Wonder how many chaos eldar know Nurgle has Isha as his "wife"??
Well there is a reason why humanity are the biggest contributers to chaos as of the current setting because of the great crusade and how they slaughtered xenos. Because many xeno races were fully dedicated to chaos or were chaos worshippers
Damn, now I want to kitbash some Chaos Eldar
This is why i am starting to follow this channel: Uncommonly known 40K lore
3:32 They really should rewrite 40K Beastmen to be closer to their fantasy counterparts. Chaotic marauder mutants would be amazing!
Nah I like the 40k version where their just abhumans. Who can either be loyal to the imperial or fall to chaos. It give them a choice. Where Warhammer fantasy doesn't.
*Me getting my heart attack machine ready for the next video putting it away for now*
I love the idea of Killteam allowing GW to market new factions who don't need huge armies, what if we finally get some Eldar Exodite models?
In the 9th edition Death guard codex there is talk of ealder Corsairs that unwillingly became infected by the death gaurd in passing and became these Nurgle corrupted monstrosities over time.
There’s a rumor that there’s going to be a Mandrake team for Kill Team coming with the set that has the new Night Lords upgrade sprue.
I didnt know about it thanks for the great lore
My first try to play TYRPG was a slaanesh eldar but it was to edgy for the dm and he kick me.
I want to make a chaos eldar army but i know the self proclaimed lore buffs wont let me play in peace
do you guys think we'll get new eldar books? they're my favourite race
I always felt Dark Eldar have always been just closet-Slaaneshi since they excess torture and other vices to keep themselves safe from Slaanesh so that they don't die and get soul-eaten by Her/He/It
Weren’t there Chaos Eldar Daemon Princes?
Sick Video dude. The Eldar should totally be falling to Ruinous Corruption
I would like to see more xenos that work for chaos.
Hey, to be honest I also would rather give into any other chaos god when my fate is determined to be part of slaanesh!
Except nurgle, but that's only because I don't like shit, let alone whatever nurgle is having for lunch.
I alwaus thought Dark Eldar were pretty much Chaos Eldar
i always assumed. that if a few gods want a soul. the person who owns the soul says who gets it.
much like how Eldar Harlyquinns dont go to Slaanish case they promises there souls to the clown god. if any of that makes sensce
Conan canon is the stories written by Howard, not all the follow ups by other authors. Lovecraft canon is all the stories written by him, not others. Similarly, Warhammer canon is anything written by, or at least approved by, Rick Priestly. After that the gamers are free to add or elaborate as they wish for their particular gaming. Use any miniatures you find cool, create any races you want. That's all good. THIS IS NOT CANNON, by definition. Use it if you like it, but their is NOTHING forcing you to accept this in your own gaming world. Especially anything devised simply to sell merchandise.
It makes sense if slaanesh is going to claim your soul mine as well go to a different god to deny him.......her........its prize
Not really, if your soul is destroyed either way who cares about how it's destroyed. And hastening and guaranteeing that fate is stupid.
Chaos eldar make sense as accendental chaos (which happens to humans sometimes) and eldar trapped in the eye of terror.
hmm, considering the Eldar accidently but literally orgied a Chaos God into exsistance
sure, i think?
Personally I think there should only be Chaos Eldar loyal to Tzeentch, Khorne, and Nurgle. Slaanesh would either eat his or turn them into Daemons (AKA mini versions of himself)
the Eldar CREATED Slannesh. there it is. End of debate.....
I wouldn't say any of these were chaos Eldar in the sense say a follower of chaos
Was this a question? I mean..look at Slanesh
Interestingly, in the 8th edition 40k rules book, there's a diagram that shows every Eldar subfaction and one of them is redacted for some reason... Could these be the Chaos Eldar?
Eldar joining another Chaos God to oppose Slaanesh seems weird, but I could almost see it happen.
Drukharii are the closest beings to Chaos Eldars as fat as I'm concerned, but this could be a cool concept. 😎
Edit: Wait, does that mean that the whole speil the Chaos Gods served to Lorgar about the Eldar held *_a modicum of truth!?_*
Ngl this would be cool
forgive me but, arent dark eldar chaos eldar?
No they are just extremely sadistic
Oh,please,no more chaos factions,Jesus!
Chaos is so anarchist libertarian.
First.
Second.
The whole "humanity feeds chaos" isnt even slightly true
Humanity isnt even the main source of power
Chsos canonically exists everywhere in time and space different realities etc
The warp and chaos are not the same thing.
Honestly I never new that the thing the inquisitor was holding in the cover art was a mutated eldar with the all red and horns i just assumed once that it was a blood thirster
I thought so too until I took a closer look!
I blame the lack of contrast. Guy basically looks the same as the background
I seem to recall a story about a female Dark Eldar or Eldar Corsair who caused so much suffering to others that Slaanesh actually went and granted her it’s favor and protection. Like they didn’t just loosen their hold like it does with normal Dark Eldar it straight up was giving her powers and stuff.
Slaanesh is like that sometimes. She can be just as spiteful as any chaos god, but she does tend to reward those that impress her. I still remember that one planetary govener who realised she was getting old and summoned a Keeper of Secrets into herself and rather than be possessed, ate it. She then did like like three more times before Slaanesh noticed and just made her a daemon prince. IIRC, the govener was so egotistical that she thinks Slaanesh did that to get in *her* favour, which just impressed Slaanesh more.
Can you recall the stories name or at least the character's name?
that sounds awesome and I love to read it if possible
@@Gitskreigalso following for story source
@@rainbowpixel_4145 So, I looked it back up and it was Ax’senaea, the Thrice-Possessed, but sadly she is only really a footnote in the Black Cusade RPG rulebook.
Who actually says only humans feed chaos? Theres orks that worship khorne and the eldar literally made a chaos god and eye of terror
I always thought every race can fall to chaos
@@NancyDLaw not really, necrons dont have souls and the nyds cant really feel or think and the hive mind is far beyond chaoss ability to corrupt
@@NancyDLawthey do but there's a difference between how much certain races feed chaos and how much a particular races worship Chaos. You could have the entire Tau race fall to Chaos and it might only be like throwing a pebble in a lake. Also while Orks empower Khorne extremely few worship him and most of Orks psychic affect on the warp is related to empowering Gork and Mork and not Khorne
Its a dumb statement made by people who dont understand that the emperor was only speculating that chaos would eb starved without humanity and that don't understand that chaos and by coexistence the warp exist everywhere
A few stupid authors started this idea up and fed the fire with the introduction of the Cabal. It's annoying because the idea of the Cabal is so laughably moronic that any character who takes it seriously is suddenly on my shit list for being so stupid. John Grammaticus really is the worst thing to happen to 40k
We really need a eldar lore to continue and progressing something big like the Y'nari ark in the gathering storm books, rather being " They did something-ish "
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YEAH IT HURTS but the Ynnari books tanked so I think GW is scared of trying
@@livefromtheblacklibrary hire better writers and actually give them plot points that move forward.
@@livefromtheblacklibrary @livefromtheblacklibrary I only hope they Retcon the lore of those books like the plague wars ark which they Retcon it from " after 100 years pass, read Logar book " to " Motarian gets his ass spank by G man ( Daddy possession ) to kick him to Grandpa retirement home and burn his flowers "
That chaos norm was a real jerk!
I find something funny..
Humanity..
Eldari
Nekrons..
One thing that they all share...
Different origins but fundamentally function similarly...
By this I mean simply...
The difference between life living in the non habitable zone of our Star... The nekrons.
Goldilocks zone... Humanity..
The non habitable zone outside of the goldilocks zone. The eldari
What this means... Is of course the nekrons don't have biological bodies the adapted to a point where they could transfer at will... Probably resulting in the original nekron tiers Catan... Then they not knowing they were originally nekrons finding themselves at a whole new elevated level of understanding and being of course would end up unintentionally causing problems for the nekron tier resulting in the nekron tier reintegrating the Catan back into a physical body resulting in pharons like the storm lord and silent king...
While the eldari would end up growing fundamentally hard against the natural cosmos as it would be far easier for heavier metal's gas's and minerals to form resulting in a Oasis of colors shapes scents that fill the eldari's understanding of the universe..
While humanity was left in the pit fall... No real natural way to go either...
Where the eldari and nekrons found themselves where they are now...
Humanity is still attempting to figure out where we fit... And if I'm not mistaken... The fear is... Weather or not we will figure out a place we fit... Or continue to attempt to figure out where we fit.... The second piece detailed is the fear.. the first piece is that we hope we find our place in all of this... Though we know we have a place for we are here... We know not what it is our place is...
Makes sense. They're souls will be taken by one of the other chaos gods instead of being vored by slaanesh.
It could make for a good Chaos/Eldar storyline!
I think that the eldar need more background characters who are just there. It's what makes me like space marines and imperium forces because there's just a lot of characters who just don't matter on a large scale. I honestly for the life of me can't remember an eldar character who is just in the background and doesn't really matter. Still though, cool to learn about chaos eldar which is neat.
40k is about your dudes, so just make some up :)
@@totalCoolerUsername I know but eldar not having smaller scale characters is part of the reason why I just don't like them. And sure i can make up a character but it just isn't the same as reading about what a small scale eldar goober is doing for his faction.
There’s multiple craft worlds with known characters who aren’t necessarily part of the important storylines… Not really sure what you’re on about
They're not as many as the Imperium's, but there are still loads of Aeldari background-only characters. To name but some of the most important, there are Aloec Sunspear, Eliac Zephyrblade and Nuadhu Fireheart, Iyanna Arienal, Kelmon Firesight and Draeth Starhand, Kysaduras, Eldorath Starbane and Elarique Swiftblade, Elithinel Ullathani, Isarion Stormsmourn, Saarania and Kaelis Carnelia...
From the 2e Eldar codex:
"Of all the servants of Chaos there are few as truly damned as the Eldar Chaos Champions, nor any as utterly at the mercy of their Chaos masters. They are lost to the Eldar race, unacknowledged and forgotten by their kinfolk, their souls eternally barred from peace."
There's another 2e quote about how the Chaos Eldar are some of the most feared champions of Chaos, but I can't find that one right now.
If they do a Militarum Traitoris codex for 10th, like they're rumored to do, it'd be cool to have like Chaos Eldar priests in among the human traitors inducting them into worship of the Dark Gods, not whole armies of them but interesting characters and models that fit into the broader Chaos faction.
Personally I don't think Mandrakes are actually Chaos-aligned but ymmv.
I still weep for the dismal ynnari plotline and sparse miniature range. Would be nice to have them fleshed out with a vehicle and a unique unit at least
Yeah but ynnari are basically dead 😭
@@livefromtheblacklibrary ba-dum-tisk 🥁
@@livefromtheblacklibraryThe redacted teasers get my hopes up every time.
Even now, with this latest one one I'm still "it could be..."
You and me both brother.
If only the didn't fumble the bag so hard, they could actually shake up their universe a little bit in a good way
Chaos Eldar is a cool concept as long as they maintain two things-
1. The Craftworlders, and by extension anyone with even some ties to the path system, should never be shown to get corrupted. Because if they do that it pretty much invalidates the entire system that their society is based on, which would be stupid.
2. Those who are corrupted/give themselves over, should never do so to Slaanesh. Slaanesh doesn't wanna corrupt Eldar souls, they eat them.
I can absolutely see an Eldar who, in their attempt to fight against slaanesh, beseech Khorne for more power. Khornate Eldar sound rad af, and not exactly implausible.
Edit- Also I just realized that Una Belphoebe is the ranger from Path of the Forsaken. I wasn't aware she showed up in a different story, this is cool.
Unless the eldar impresses slanesh then she will give them power or turn them into deamon Princes as that has happened in the lore.
A craftworlder should still be able to become disillusioned/turn from the path and so become corrupted. Just like a loyalist marine or guardsman could. They wouldnt be a craftworlder after that obviously, but theres zero reason why that would be impossible. Any being with emotions is susceptible to falling or being tricked in to falling to chaos, thats its whole thing.
@@seaofenergy2765 and the path system's whole thing is making sure the Eldar are not swayed by the ruinous powers, particularly slaanesh. It makes use of how the eldar psyche works, creates an entire different mental compartment that provides them with safety while they make use of their skills. Its not just simple indoctrination like with spacemarines or guards.
Which is why I specified "Those still with ties to the path system". Eldar can be corrupted, but that is when they walk away from the strict path systems and go down the path of the outcast. Rangers are edging the line, corsairs are even more likely to fall. Either of them falling is quite sensible. But while the craftworlders are on the path, it should be nigh impossible.
@@EngineerOfVaul I did say if they turn from the path. That would still be a craftworlder becoming corrupted, because they decided not to follow the craftworld way; for whatever reason that may be.
The path system is not flawless. Exarchs are "lost" to Khaine and will not leave the Path of the Warrior. Even Phoenix Lord Arhra of the Striking Scorpions burned with the dark light of Chaos, although not full Chaos worship. The Galaxy is a large place, and 10,000 years is a long time. An ancient Eldar who had walked many Paths and Aspects may one day come to see futility in the "salvation" of a soulstone and Infinity Circuit after seeing enough Craftworlds and Exodite worlds get destroyed. Seeking "salvation" after death, he begins to consider the contenders to Slaanesh's power: Gork, Mork, the Emperor, Khorne, Nurgle and Tzeentch
Daemon Eldar and Khornate Orks being in the lore, Chaos Androids being recanonized… I hope Chaos Dwarves are in our future
What about the cult tenebrous a genestealer cult of nurgle
Its canon that the Tau can fall to chaos. As long you have a soul you can fall to chaos.
Then how can Tau fall to Chaos?
@JoshuaKevinPerry 40k theories has a video on it.
@@JoshuaKevinPerrywhy can't Tau fall into chaos.
@@rajukoley9249
Their souls are so small in the warp that their pretty invisible. Taus can fall to chaos but it so rare,that you can count them on your fingers.
@@judeduval5724 rare doesn't mean can't also chaos isn't trying to corrupt them that hard anyway.
Chaos Eldar is such an interesting idea we don’t see enough of honestly. The last iteration I remember seeing was in the bile novels specifically the one with clone fulgrim (clone lord I think)
Minor Spoilers below
Bile had a former Corsair on his ship who literally stayed in a section that was being overtaken by wraithbone and had a group of noise marines guarding her and were able to unnerve OTHER Emperor’s children.
We need a game set in the arenas of Commorragh. Teams of oddball characters vs waves of whatever beasts the Wych Cults unleash. Inside the arenas can be stylised as Imperial worlds if GW can't imagine new terrain. Yes this is basically the last stand from DoW2.
I think it would be cool if some dark eldar fell to slaanesh in some desprate attempt to escape slaanesh like attempting to make it like him so she dosent eat him.
Are you referencing Soul Drinker Omnibus? Because something like that happens in that book.
@judeduval5724 never read it just thought it would be cool
I always felt that there really should be certain groups of Chaos Eldar who turn to the various gods either to try to get better treatment (such as it is) from Slaanesh, or pledge to other gods as a way to try to safeguard themselves from Her because they're already claimed. There are also good reasons for why the Gods would have affinity with Eldar sects.
Nurgle: Nurgle is the only reason why Isha is still alive after the birth of Slaanesh and it is well established that in his own way he is in love with her. While it is something of a community meme that Nurgle and Isha are a happy couple, rather than captive and captor, a group who venerate Nurgle as the husband and savior of Isha would be appropriate.
Khorne: The difference between the doings of Khorne and Kaine are often mere semantics at the best of times, so devotees of the bloody-handed god who took things way too far and found a patron who doesn't seem to get his ass kicked every time he appears wouldn't be out of place.
Tzeench: Magic and future sight are the arts of the Farseer and who better a patron to seek than the Changer of Ways himself. Eldar Farseers, with how they look to change and guide the future in subtle ways through seeking prophesy and prediction are a perfect fit for Tzeench without even changing anything. Unlike the Farseers who use their arts to try to protect their craftworlds, these guys would be much more into looking to claim dominion once more. Make the Eldar Great again. Plus, given how scary human psykers boosted by Tzeench are, an Eldar Warlock high on magic would be a force to behold.
I don't think these guys should be common, but they feel like they should punch way above their weight in the power plays of Eye Space. They'd be largely contained to the Crone Worlds, but even Chaos Space Marines would think twice and making sure they have every advantage they can get before they try making a move on their turf, because the leaders of these groups will have actually been there at the birth of a God and not just survived, but thrived.
As for things they'd likely have, can you imagine Wraith constructs, but instead of being piloted by dead eldar, they've been possessed by enslaved neverborn?
Your wraith construct idea should just be the old eldar empire's psychic automata possed by neverborne.
Hell that's probably a big enough force to be it's own army on table top.
I would love to see pre-fall chaos Eldars, those that gave themselves to Slaneesh before it was even born and became the heart of the late Eldar Empire, led by the Dark Muses
I think one pre-fall eldar turned into a greater deamon of slanesh before she was born.
I can Imagine an entire craftworld pledging themselves to Nurgle in hopes of getting Isha back in exchange for their souls.
The eldars of one craftworld turn into genestealers so why not an eldar craftworld of nurgle
@@brayanfisk8769 The Ynari would just kill them all.
Speaking of Dark Elders. In the SoulDrinkers omnibus. Their was a faction of Dark elders that was feeding slannish. And try to recreate a second eye of terror.
Interesting to see how many Eldar can fall to Chaos, I knew about Drukarii were linked to Chaos, more so Slaneesh, but to see just how much they can be influenced and taken by Chaos makes this whole subject much better than it already was.
I like the idea that Mandrakes might be part of a cult of some obscure and forgotten, eldritch Aeldari God that dwells in the Webway.
"Only humans can feed chaos"
Yes famously only humans feel lust anger hope and despair. It’s not like the aeldars created a chaos god on their own.
I'd love to see more Chaos that isn't just daemons or a human faction with spikes(and also daemons), so a Chaos Eldar kill team would be fantastic!
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In old Warhammer 40K Chaos Squats were a thing. I hope we can see more of them.
Hopefully they'd be more Chaos Dwarf and less Votann. I was massively disappointed by the Votann.
@@onionhat745Would they be loyal to Hashut or Vashtorr then?
If they do bring in chaos Squats I think I would like them to be more piratical than the Chaos Dwarves of fantasy. Maybe they can be mutated Kin whose DNA storages got corrupted or tainted by exposure to the warp. Don’t forget the great rift basically cuts through the galactic core AKA their old home I want to see consequences to that other than just being forced out into the galaxy. Heck maybe we can get chaos androids again with chaos corrupted Ironkin.
@@Ottersanitywe Hashut doesn’t exist in 40K and I’m perfectly happy for it to stay that way but in terms of Vashtorr I can definitely see them going down that path especially with what I just said in regards to mutations and corruption of their Ancestors cores and DNA stores. Maybe they go down a similiar path to the iron warriors only instead of replacing mutation with metal. I can imagine a lot of them falling to Khorne or Nurgle. Tzeentch is a maybe but for Slaanesh I don’t really see that happening a lot if ever.
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I can just imagine an Eldar fighting off a Commissar or soemthing acting all like "filthy mon'keigh, youre the ugliest" only to get attacked mid fight to the Bat-Eldar, only for the Eldar to react in pure disgust and terror, then reluctantly change the mon'keigh to second ugliest in rank
Honestly, I advocate for more chaos xenos because it'll spice up chaos aestetically (and possibly thematically) since it's aestetic is pretty much "thing, but eviiiil and death metal-y"
I always considered any True Eldar who have become corrupted by Chaos are very rare and extremely powerful entities because of their psychic prowess. Any Eldar that somehow survived the fall must be chosen by one of the chaos gods. So yeah I don’t know what form they could appear on the tabletop but in my head canon they would be the equivalent of a daemon prince in power.
Dude you completely forgot about the Ciaphas Cain book. Literally a whole war he fought against Slaanesh corrupted Drukhari
Yes, TH-cam, this is definetly World of Warcraft from 2004. Good job.
It just works
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Yes, indeed.
Chaos Eldar sounds interesting,wanan see a kill tema fo them!
I’m curious how GW would make them look unique because Drukhari exist
@@livefromtheblacklibrary hmm..probably deformed or full of skulls and spikes versions of the craftworld eldars? With some small variations depending of the Chaos God they are serving
I can see a war band of a drukari homoculos and his abomination bodyguards being in the lore.
Or an aldari sorcerer bound to the Architect of Fate.
Both Could be pretty awesome characters in the lore
Maybe Slaanesh being born actually strengthened the warp gods because of the excesss. Before Slaanesh chaos was probably more controllable.
They were around since early 40K. They were known to be insanely powerful psykers due to them going full overdrive unlike their non-Chaos kin who while still powerful, restrain themselves so that Slaanesh won't suck their souls. Then they were kinda retconned with the Crone World Eldar being the closest ones to the concept of Chaos Eldar. Then 8th ED came and actually mentioned them.
But knowing current day GW they will foul them up like they did Squats.
Honestly I’m surprised this is weird for a lot of people. It would make sense that some Eldar would turn to slaneesh seeing as they created slaneesh thus view it as some sort of religious duty etc. so much you can explore with this.
Nurglesque Eldar sound awesome. I can see them as worshippers of the "divine union" of Isha and Nurgle. Over time, I imagine they would view other Eldar with bitterness for their ingratitude toward Nurgle.
Every time someone brings up this topic I answer the same thing "The drukhari are Slaanesh´s greatest worshippers" Granted, their situation is not how we traditionally define worship, but one doesn´t have to love a God to worship and honour them (Look at how Ares was viewed by the greeks or without even leaving the setting, Khaine or the C´tan).
The Dark Eldar are the greatest champions of excess, the people that saw what decadence did to their great empire and decided to double down. No one can inflict more suffering in the most creative ways than them, their warriors see killing as an art to be mastered, same with their torturers and slave drivers. Their scientists turn people into furniture or fucked up art just as decoration or conversation pieces. And though GW is always shy to show the s*x stuff, just knowing they are the remnants of the society that birthed Slaanesh tells you what you need to know about what´ druchii bedtime like.
Wether they truly restore themselves by inflicting suffering or Slaanesh simply tricked them into believing that and returns what she syphoned when they pay her tribute through their nightmarish practices, it doesn´t take a genius to understand where the immortal souls of those captured by the drukhari end up.
Because eldar are arrogant above all else, they would never admit it, but about a third of them chose to serve Chaos undirectly to fulfill their selfish desires, which makes them no different than humanity, only the tau can claim purity of soul in this setting.
I think the idea that "Chaos Eldar don't exist" comes from the fact that it's practically unheard of for a Craftworld Eldar to fall to Chaos.
Slaneesh: THAT'S MINE TZEENTCH
TZEENTCH: JUST AS PLANE YOU PIMP
i love that note about ancient dark blessed artifacts are routinely unearthed and sold in whats basically a thrift market like it reminds you how old the eldar and how long 40 thousand years is that ancient badass artifacts you see heroes in some fantasy settings use are just commonly found and sold to low level cultists and pirates.
Hmmm, Chaos Eldar
An idea for a Craftworld Kill Team I'd say >:)c
What about the chaos orks that follow korne (I don't know much but I know they expect)
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Soul drinkers had a Slaanesh worshipping dark eldar cult.
I was about to comment on your "1st edition lore" video, where you wished Chaos eldar were still canon, to bring up the rulebook's chart. Glad to see that you went back to the topic to address the matter in detail. You just earned a new subscriber!
Eldar might be special here do to the old ones specifically crafting the race to generate warp entities. This might have created a backdoor for the chaos gods to influence the eldar without their knowledge. I don't think I have heard any other race be influenced like the Eldar can so that makes me think it is something special about the Eldar and how they are a crafted race
Ngl we really need more xenos chaos cultists.