Is NASCAR Heading for a Split?
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- With the CARS Tour now entering a multi million dollar partnership with Justin Marks, Dale Earnhardt Jr, Jeff Burton, and Kevin Harvick does this spell the beginnings of a split with NASCAR as a whole? Well, yes, and no.
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Oof, I claimed that the CARS Tour was on FloRacing, while that's a great streaming service, they have their own proprietary streaming service here: carstour.tv/
No mention of the RTA and possible exhibition races without NASCAR involvement
Hopefully it comes back to FloRacing has that would be awesome but it has amazimg service.
It was never on Flo. Always been on Pit Row TV/CARS Tour TV. The one North Wilkesboro race was broadcast on Racing America.
Wish it was on flo, but alas
@@frankf2902Flo is great, but Pit Row is phenomenal.
Honestly the best chance of a split I could see (again, unfeasibly unlikely) is if SMI took issue with NASCAR over something. They own half the races on the schedule and are one of the few non NASCAR owned entities that holds any power. If hell froze over, I could see them taking a few unhappy drivers and owners and starting their own series on their existing tracks (among others). But something really dumb would have to lead to that even being a possibility.
That would be the worst-case scenario for a split since SMI is more concerned with entertaining races than good racing. One thing Denny Hamlin has actually praised NASCAR for is that when they reconfigure a track, they try to make a better racing product. Whereas SMI is all about gimmicks and whatever keeps the cars close together.
Almost happened around 2000 I think. SMI had a series called TRAC that never got off the ground.
best chance of any split is actually when NASCAR makes a big enough mistake and the competition capitalizes on it like a bat outta hell. nobody is gonna do anything till the big mistake comes. if NASCAR really wanted to, they could've quelled SRX and CARS before they even got off the ground. rather or not its a blessing in disguise or something NASCAR is cursing themselves to this day for not doing is another story.
SMI does not have Daytona, Homestead, Phoenix, Watkins Glen, Pocono, Michigan, Richmond, Talladega, etc. It would be like CART and likely not get the publicity or drivers, I don’t think. Feel like HMS would stay with NASCAR, as would most of Chevy. I could see Ford leaving maybe or Toyota.
That dumb thing would likely be NASCAR instituting something similar to the 25/8 rule that Tony George implemented with the Indy 500 in the mid 90's to try to reduce the number of CART entries at his event with the Daytona 500.
I mean ARCA was supposed to be a competitor to NASCAR at first.
Then NASCAR bought ARCA, and look what they did to it (alongside with the Gen 6 bodies)
Sussy ass ARCA THE A STANDS FIR BAKA SUSSY BAKA BALLS BAR ALLARK BAR ALLAK BAH
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT nascar hasnt owned arca that long. Its a bit odd that arca has gen 6 bodies and not xfinity. Im not complaining though i rather xfinty not use the gen 6 body
@@dmoran1093 I hate the Gen 6 cars. Plus the Gen 6 bodies are more pricey than the Gen 4 cars in ARCA, which is one of the reasons why teams have been shutting down left and right
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT The Gen 6 in ARCA just creates an aero slog fest with the way it was designed with downforce and sideforces. Just look at the rear quarter panels. I'd rather see the Xfinity COT style or Gen 4 cars. If they really wanna keep the Gen 6 style, make it look like the X-3 prototype RCR tested it like back in 2016.
awaiting for Dale Jr to just become the CEO of every stock car racing series out there
That may not be to far away lol, having the Earnhardts in charge is a dream
Just imagine the day Dale Jr. becomes the Emperor of Stock Car (and Late Model) racing
If NASCAR is really not in a good place then maybe but I highly doubt the France family will sell NASCAR to someone else even though I believe Junior would definitely run NASCAR the right way but I don't think he wants that stress in his life.
I agree with Cole. It would be nice with Jr. But unless his sister wants the stress, I don't think he does. He is enjoying his life now...
@@paularndt6111 yeah, plus he's still dealing with the results of all the concussions he got. I don't normally watch Joe Rogan, but I did watch the one where he had Dale Jr on, and it was absolutely fascinating (they talked a fair bit about his father, and Jr revealed that he and his dad only ever discussed racing a single time, he was at some track and Sr told him how to race it, what line to take etc. But other than that they never once discussed it, and I find that fascinating). But yeah he said he was dealing with the effects of multiple concussions for _YEARS_ before he finally saw a doctor about them cos he just thought it was normal and more or less safe to continue driving in the weeks and months after a concussion, he wanted to be like his dad, an iron man who would race even with broken legs and broken sternums etc.
That's why his results went off a cliff and he didn't get a single race win for a very long time. And then once he did start getting treatment for them after a few years of suffering from them, he started winning races again. Who knows what would have happened if he had got treatment immediately after having the concussions, so that he could get back to his best instead of just getting to a decent but not spectacular level. Because if you get a concussion you need to see a doctor ASAP about it, not wait _YEARS_
So yeah even today, he's suffering from the effects of all those concussions. Concussions cause brain damage, permanent brain damage, even if only a little bit of it. You can only recover so much. And depending on how bad it is you may not be allowed to ever drive a car again for the sake of your safety and the safety of every other driver, and that's in general not just race driving (i.e. they can take your drivers licence away, which is all the more reason why you should stop trying to pretend to be a tough manliest manly man and just see a doctor about it immediately, even go to the emergency room about it, unless you wanna lose your independence because of not being able to drive).
So yeah I can't imagine how stressful it'd be in Dale to have to run Nascar. Running nascar is itself a huge headache, on top of the concussion headaches. Nobody would ever be pleased, it's not easy to run a big series like that. Everyone will hate you, even though Dale is beloved by fans and drivers and owners, they'd all turn on him eventually because of one thing or another. There's no way to run a big sports competition like that and please absolutely everyone, a lot of the time a decision has to be made between 2 very bad options where both choices have a lot of downsides and will piss off one party while the other option pisses off another party.
Unless he only was the chairman (or whatever) of them kinda in name only, and hired and delegated people to handle the every day stuff while he acted as the face of the organisation that will talk to the media and so on, and not _NEVER_ make decisions and help run the organisation, but just cut out a lot of the stress and delegate it to someone who's natural talent is running organisations and companies smoothly and effectively, cos obviously that's not Dale's natural talent, his natural talents are driving and being a decent human being.
To me, SRX always felt like they were trying to do something more along the lines of IROC, not compete with NASCAR.
That's exactly what it's supposed to be is a grassroots racing version of IROC, I think it's better than IROC ever thought about being.
It's like if you purchase the Iroc series off of wish
SRX should be there to fill that niche, yeah, instead of just being another version of Nascar. That, and the fact they focus on short tracks and dirt tracks instead of all the same identical mid-length tracks Nascar focuses on. But yeah, you'd hope that eventually, after a few more years of running SRX, that they'd be able to attract more drivers from more diverse forms of motorsports. Like to try and get former F1 drivers. That'd be tons of fun, especially to see an F1 driver on a dirt track lol. And rally drivers would do well on those so it'd be interesting to see then race in SRX. And you've got things like Brazil's stock car motorsports series, where they seem to be the biggest fans of stock car racing outside the US and have cool ass looking cars (especially the ones from years and decades past which are deliberately blocky and chunky, there's something about them that's just cool, do a Google image search for them, they remind me of 80s rally cars), so yeah getting a bunch more Brazilian drivers from that series would be fun. And drivers from the UKs stock car racing series the TOCA touring car championship (OK yes, I know touring cars are technically not the same thing as stock cars, but they're the closest thing in the UK since we brits apparently generally don't like stock cars and oval racing, I'm apparently the only brit who loves nascar lol), and so on.
There's so many racing series they could draw drivers from and so it'll be fun to see where Tony Stewart can take it from here since the first couple seasons were still mid-pandemic (technically the pandemic isn't even over yet, in the US covid is still the 3rd biggest killer). So as it goes on every year and they can get more drivers from very different types of motorsports (even getting motorbike racers would be a fun idea, seeing as Nascar has already done that) and throw them all onto the track, with the identical cars, and just see who is the best driver that day, not the best team with the best car but purely the best driver on that track on that day.
They should really focus on that niche, because then it makes SRX unique. It shouldn't be competing with Nascar at all in the first place. Because doing that would only hurt both nascar and SRX and I'm sure Tony knows that and doesn't want to harm either of them. It should be a complimentary series to go alongside nascar, and if they focus on that niche of getting the world's best drivers from a range of very different types of motorsports, that makes it a lot of fun and makes it unique. I don't think it'll ever become bigger than nascar, but then again who knows.
I hope they do become really big though, SRX, even if they're not directly competing against Nascar but acting as a compliment to them. Because that would still force Nascar into taking on board the criticisms from the fans and actually employ some of those proposed changes in order to stop the flow of fans out of nascar, like having more variation on types of tracks i.e. have way more short tracks. At least they've massively embraced road courses, so they make up like half of the races. But it's not like all oval tracks are identical or something, quite the opposite. Different oval tracks produce very different kinds of races, but a good chunk of the oval tracks in the current schedule are literally based on the same design, so the same length, the same shape, the same amount of banking, the same track surface material, everything, just in a different state so that fans in that state can watch their own identical race as the one the week before 1000 miles away. Everyone knows this, that nascar needs more short tracks, and so there's no way that Nascar themselves don't already know about this criticism. They must have heard it a thousand times. Yet they do nothing about it. It's like they don't want to admit they're wrong about something, and have to find a way to introduce more short tracks while making it look like their idea instead of like they just bowed to the pressure from fans, cos they've got big egos.
So yeah series like SRX getting way more popular would be good for Nascar cos it'd force them to make some changes.
But if they have 10 years of great support. It'll grow. I used to be a die hard NASCAR fan. I haven't watched regularly in about 7-8 years. I just don't care anymore. But I'll try to catch every SRX race
@duffman18, we have BRISCA F1 stock cars in the UK. Basically sprint cars that can race on any surface ,shale (Basically dirt) or tarmac. You should look at some videos on TH-cam :)
I don't think we're heading for a split, however all of the investment in these short track series I think is indicative of what fans of NASCAR want more of. It's now up to NASCAR to recognize that and step up to the plate in a big way.
Never gonna happen. So long as the sponsorship dollars and brand money keeps rolling in, you'll never see a change. The only way that'll happen is if the sponsors finally start putting the squeeze on the sport by picking sides. Then, and ONLY then, will you see a change.
@@LrulestheworldM8 They are, the All Star Race is the first step, the TV rights to it at Fox said any place other then Texas Motor Speedway due to how poor the racing is at that track, even more so now with the gen 7 car. This is just the first step in a series of changes, the car was a big one too though minus the safety, the car has helped produce better racing then the gen 6 due to the weight they had to carry, that 700+ horsepower engine being restricted to only make 550 horsepower was one of the last big mistakes to the cars themselves that the previous owner of the series did.
@@LrulestheworldM8 but sponsorship money isn't really rolling in though
They are never gonna split, I do see a power struggle happening if enough money leaves the sport or the OEMs decide to move on from the fanbase.
@@caseysmith544 yeah last season was one of the best seasons ever because of the new car, it was so unpredictable. More new race winners in a season since the 2nd season of nascar, when _OBVIOUSLY_ there'd be a lot of new race winners in the 2nd season, because it's the 2nd ever season. So to beat that number, when there's so many drivers on the grid who are former champions and former race winners, is insane. Throughout the season they kept saying it was because everyone was on a level playing field of knowing nothing about the new car, so the rich teams didn't have their usual advantage of being able to spend tons on scientific testing of the cars to find out their optimum set ups, but were on more or less the same level as the tiny poor teams with like 7 guys in the whole team.
But I hope it's not that. I hope it's just what the new car is good at. It means that it can become even more of a driver's championship, the opposite of something like F1, so that the winners are usually the best drivers and not just the drivers lucky enough to be in the best car (I love F1 too and that's where I come from originally, since I'm British, but yeah it's not a driving competition it's an engineering competition, so it's nice to have indycar and nascar too to balance that out and be more of driving championships than engineering championships).
But yeah it'll probably become more stratified as the years of having this new car go on, with the richest and biggest teams winning much more often than the poorer smaller teams. Just fingers crossed it doesn't happen to the same extent as before. Because a lot of the champions who are still racing are getting near retirement, so a lot of new young stars are needed. And last season proved that that is possible. I became a pretty big fan of Daniel Suarez, mainly cos he's such a genuinely nice bloke. I hope he can expand on his win last year and start winning multiple races in a season every season. Maybe hes not the youngest anymore but he's in that sweet spot of having nearly a decade of experience now, but in his physical and mental prime, and on a good team, so he hopefully can kick on and start winning more often. I don't think he'll ever win a championship, but it's good to have an underdog to root for, nobody wants to root for an overdog.
It's a great day when Slapshoes uploads a video.
Amen
I'm Australian but went to college in America and became a NASCAR fan while there. I regard Slap as one of the best communicators on sport I know of. Way too many people these days think hype and noise and fake drama equals substance because that's what gets taught in media studies. They consider fans as mindless drones.
Slap is almost the complete opposite of that. Not only does he actually know his subject, he understands there are people who value information presented in a straight forward manner. He's not the only one. There are a few others, but I wished there were a lot more journalists and media people like this.
Slap is a stud pain and simple. He’s a man of the people
@@tonywilson4713 did you keep count every time he took a breath mid sentence too?
@@manualblinking7456 What's your point?
I'm just grateful there still are some people who actually know their subject and don't just hype the crap out of every story with buckets of nonsense.
Whatever happens, I hope this ends up being the wake up call NASCAR needs to finally listen to its competitors and fans.
To better compete with CARS and SRX, perhaps this will tempt them to finally remove the stage cautions, improve the car, improve the officiating, and make the racing product even better. This could include a good wet tire compound, further rainproofing of the cars, and better planning for genuinely inclement weather.
I think for NASCAR to thrive, they need to have the series runners of the Pinty's Series just take over cup.
They know how to run a good series, plus instead of the Chicago street circuit, there's one esteemed in history that provides great racing for stock cars already, in a place with a huge untapped market, that can fit up to 42 cars.
That's Trois-Rivieres and considering how every year it pretty much sells out for what are essentially semi-pro series, it deserves a cup date, Quebec is a massive market for NASCAR that's completely untapped.
@@Dexter037S4 But for drivers and team members that are jabbed, it would mean they couldn't compete on forigen ground which would ultimately cost the sport a lot of money.
@@Americalovesme2008 90% of both countries have the vax, fair to say those who wouldn't make the trip won't be missed (field fillers anyways)
And get rid of the dumb chase for the cup
Rain and ovals should never mix
Unless nearly a lot of team owners just told NASCAR that they had enough, the split won't happen.
Exactly how many is nearly a lot?
@@matto5547 At least half
And SRX does not have enough cache or Star power. The car is worse than the Next Gen car and rules are weird.
@@DepravedCoTApologistAnd the only way you get half is if Ford pulls out.
Is that less or more than a shit ton??
No
But NASCAR has to get smarter with how they do things
Which I am terrified for because they don’t know how
Like what?
@Above Average Ford Fiesta What issue? They will pay more if they agree to a cost cap. You can't just give them more money with no plan... or else they'll ask for more
@@raymond_rayder So like the mid 2000s when they had multiple debris cautions a race? They have already made changes to the car for next year. The point system has been in place for 10 years.
Here's the problem, this sport's biggest issue was catering to its fan. You can't please them all but they tried. It's good to see them get away from that because a lot of their issues was that.
@@RippingItAllSportsCards We know you’re just a fangirl. Quit while you’re behind
@@Weezy10580 that's not being a fangirl; nothing illegitimate was said there.
Reminder that half the problems with the Gen 6 bodies back in 13 and 14 all started because fans were complaining about the Gen 5 bodies not being road car enough, which led to the sculpting of the Gen6 body panels and the extreme yaw stability that made it really worse for passing compared to the COT.
I see all this as a small group of fans seeing big names try to help drum up support for smaller tracks and taking it in the completely wrong direction. None of these people really want NASCAR to split, they just want to see the racing venues they grew up with thrive and be able to put out good racing for years to come.
But seriously NASCAR, you guys need to get it together, get the drivers and teams involved in the decisions more often, listen to what fans say and try some things here and there, if it's stupid everyone will let you know and stop while you're ahead.
Hence why Smoke and Ray created the SRX series. And maybe why my home track has spent some cash on new lighting and such . Fingers crossed SRX one day comes to Hampton .😊
Brad Keselowskis been trying to get NASCAR to IMPLIMENT certain beneficial aspects to FANS and Drivers for Years!
Yeah, these regional series won’t gain traction by trying to compete directly. And I don’t see enough NASCAR owners being willing to turn down NASCAR.
@@jerryparks6123They need to lower prices in the stands a little.
I can see NASCAR buying out SRX and letting Stewart run it. It'll be a 'accept us buying it or we'll crush you' bit. They might even throw in a little 'We wanna make this bigger than it is and attract global stars' meme to butter the bread a little more. Over time they'll strangle it and kill it somehow. Seen it a million times before
Well Nascar trucked dirt into Bristol instead of racing at El Dora, and pulled their truck series off that track. You think Stewart is on good terms with the nascar decision makers?
@@dspear You realize Stewart was the one who decided to remove Eldora, right?
Nascar is ran by idiots like it would be nice if nascar was ran by people who actually know what they are doing and people who will actually listen to the fans, drivers, and teams
SRX is what IROC was and should't have gone away this video just reminds me I haven't watched a NASCAR race in 20+ years due to how I saw it going to what it is today
NASCAR died with Dale Earnhardt Sr!
SRX being the focal point on ESPN's Thursday Night Thunder this year is going to be big for that series, too. My love of SRX is laced in the time commitment being not as large as NASCAR and going to different spots everything year (except Eldora). NASCAR could learn a thing or two about that...but they won't because they get in their own way about most everything.
A split may have been feasible to the teams 10 years ago because they had so many big names like Jeff Gordon Tony Stewart Dale Earnhardt jr. Jimmie Johnson etc. The drivers that NASCAR have now aren't as big in the mainstream as the drivers were back then. NASCAR has all the cards in this situation, they have the big events like the Daytona 500 and they have the name. If the teams split from NASCAR they would have a lot of work cut out for them to try and gain a foothold in the casual audience while NASCAR themselves wouldn't have to do much work at all to retain a more casual audience imo.
I honestly think that makes a split more likely. Back then not only did NASCAR need the drivers, they needed NASCAR. It was a juggernaut and trying to fight that momentum was impossible. Now the problem is NASCAR is being ran in such a way that those stars aren't being created. Fans/people didn't change. The product did. So if you feel you could make a superior product and succeed more in creating those superstars and magic that NASCAR once had, there's less stopping them than ever.
@@seanwilson9117 what the cart IRL split showed is that the Indy 500 is the only important thing in IndyCar in the mainstream sense and that's what won out in the end. I know that wasn't the only factor but that was the biggest factor imo. Unfortunately I think this means that NASCAR can do whatever they want and the teams and drivers can't do anything about it. Whether or not that goes in a direction that completely kills NASCAR is what will determine the next step for the teams. NASCAR can snuff out any competition with the power that they have right now. They'd have to get significantly smaller and weaker to not be at threat of a split killing them off.
@@TankSlappr i would argue completely differently, everyone has different sets of hands, but is intimately watching each other like a trio of schizophrenic guys in a mental hospital. all it takes by either one is the wrong move and for either one it comes crashing down. they are waiting for the perfect opportunity to get a one off huge leg up off the others mistakes. all it takes is NASCAR, SRX or CARS to make a big enough mistake and its game over for whoever makes the big mistake.
i bet you money behind closed doors theres a serious patience game at play from all three, and know well how the other will exploit a situation if SHTF.
@@Zeakthecat Definitely. It's a waiting game right now. The teams know they can't split because they don't have the leverage. NASCAR can do whatever they want to right now. But like I said if that results in the sport dying and NASCAR losses that leverage and power it's up to the teams to see if they can make it out on their own. If or when the right time comes then the shtf and the split will happen. NASCAR just has to walk the tightrope of getting what they want and simultaneously keeping the sport alive and a big part of keeping the sport alive is having happy teams and drivers. If NASCAR can't realize that and compromise then they deserve to fall.
@@TankSlappr im sure both SRX and CARS has a card up their sleeve that turns the pot to them. its similar to the feud between youtube and odessey/bitchute/rumble/dtube. youtube knows all it takes is one phone call to washington and its game over for the rest.
the same is said for nascar, all it takes is one lawsuit and its game over for SRX and CARS. its obvious CARS and SRX has something that NASCAR is either afraid of or doesn't know about, outside of being filled with all star former NASCAR legends from one and the other having a different approach that people are looking for.
either way, its a patience game, and business is often very cutthroat. NASCAR is obviously suspecting a card up CARS and SRX sleeves that they haven't bothered to come out with yet, otherwise they would've long destroyed them and considering how poorly run NASCAR has been the last 20 years, it only seems more like they are scared of what SRX and CARS have that the fans have been looking for, or they are more scared of something else that SRX and CARS are both keeping secret.
It’s all the bs gimmicks NASCAR does on top of the stupid playoff format that if the drivers could truly say how they feel without getting that secret fine none of them like it. Kevin Harvick basically exposed how bad it was in 2020
It wasn’t just open-wheel racing in North America that experienced a split. North American sportscar racing was split from 1998 to 2013. At first, it was between the IMSA-backed Professional Sports Car Racing and the SCCA’s US Road Racing Championship. For 1999, PSCR was replaced by the American Le Mans Series while the USRRC folded following that season and was replaced by the Grand-American Road Racing Association (Grand-Am for short), which was backed by NASCAR and, much like the IRL and USRRC, was also focused on cost control, while the ALMS was more focused on car manufacturer involvement. Each series had half of the right solution for how to make sports car racing reach the high point attained at the height of the IMSA Camel GT days of the 1980s, they just never realized it. The two series would eventually unite for the 2014 season under the IMSA banner, and that series is still going strong today.
By the way, S1ap, if you’re looking for a topic for a new entry in your “What is?” series, “What is a Prototype?” would be a fantastic addition to that series. These are the fastest closed-wheel racing cars 🏎 out there, with an interesting history and more variety than you can shake a 6-speed stick at.
I think the ASA Stars series is worth mentioning and it is heading in the right direction to become a "national" super late model series in the near future.
A split is impossible. There's simply no way to attract casual fans without intermediate tracks and superspeedways. NASCAR or their close partner SMIown every such active track in America except Indianapolis and Pocono. There's nowhere for a split to go except local short tracks, and unfortunately, very few such tracks look as good on TV as Nashville does.
However, if NASCAR isn't careful, and ASA and the CARS Tour make all the right deals and decisions, NASCAR will see its market share diminish. As more money comes to the short tracks, ASA and CARS, so to will big-name drivers, track improvements, sponsors and eventually TV deals. Tracks will begin to look better on TV and the stands will be packed, which will lead to casual fans taking an interest. Overtime, we could see NASCAR have to really compete with the late-model world for drivers, fans, and perhaps TV deals.
That's only "if" NASCAR isn't careful. While I'd be weary about NASCAR acquiring one or all of those series, a formal partnership would totally reinvigorate the sport. That theoretical partnership should start with NASCAR increasing the minimum age to compete in ARCA and returning the ARCA East and ARCA West back to more grassroots-oriented schedules. That way, the up-and-comers can become true regional stars as they climb through the ranks. When they return to these tracks in ARCA regional tours, they will be a huge draw for ARCA while also being better racecar drivers by having time to actually learned from the veterans at the grassroots level.
If a split happens, it will be the owners going off and forming their own series in an effort to create a less sponsorship dependent business model
Hopefully with a real championship 😅😂
They need to, I've been saying that for a long time.
Who's here after SRX just announced they're cancelling their 2024 season?
:(
It's funny that you mention dirt racing in the video...because they're going through almost the exact same power struggle right now. Brad Sweet and Kyle Larson will be starting their new High Limit sprint car series this year as a major challenge to World Of Outlaws' dominance, and World Of Outlaws basically had no choice but to compromise and let Sweet do it. WoO will undoubtedly still be a very popular series...but it's definitely made a lot of fans notice that the Outlaws need Sweet and Larson more than Sweet/Larson need them.
I think more drivers will start to race in other series. That's about it at least for now if NASCAR can get their head half way out of of their own way this rumor will never get farther than a rumor
Glad to see someone being more realistic. I have seen a lot of fear mongering about a split and I am so haven’t seen any evidence for it.
That just it , people want to fearmonger. Screaming the sky is falling.
Yep the short answer was no. Thanks for watching part was funny. 😅
@@kharnthebetrayer1575 I don't understand why people are fear mongering a unlikely NASCAR split... for what motive/purpose? Just to express your disdain for NASCAR? Smh..
If you ask me no,it’s mostly just fearmongering by fans. I mean there’s about to be 3 football leagues america. The NFL, USFL, and the XFL. I don’t think a series of the same is gonna cause a split imo
Jeff Gordon became VP at HMS
To one up him, JJ became Co-Owner of LEGACY Motor Club
To one up JJ, Dale Jr. bought a whole racing series
So how does Kurt or one of the LaBontes one up Jr?
Rockingham has been repaved. What if... SRX/CARS Tour weekend? I'd imagine that NASCAR might take notice of something like that if it happened. Or maybe, if brand new tracks start being built for these series. Just thinking out loud.
If there was ever a chance for a split, it would have been done in the 2010s when Brian France was running the show. NASCAR has been more open to driver input than they have in a while. There is no way that a split would happen today. By the way, I’ve gotten to see the CARS Tour race at Bristol and they put on a great show when they went before Bristol switched to Dirt Nationals instead of the U.S. Short Track Nationals. I hope to attend my first SRX race at Motor Mile this year.
Just because they say they're "open to driver input" doesn't mean that they'll actually implement any of the fixes to issues drivers bring to them.
Nascar did try something kinda like SRX with Prelude of the dream. but that was PPV and highly limited. even at peak popularity of the sport
3:17, I was at Sharon for the SRX Finale, and that place was so packed that even the infield felt crowded, it was insane
Sharon is a great dirt track environment, as I worked the Nationals this year for FloRacing. Even if the track is kinda secluded, it's a perfect example of the Field of Dreams principle.
I think the biggest thing is going to be the upcoming media deal. Trackhouse and 23XI are going to have a big effect on it.
A split wouldn’t help anyone and Nascar would inevitably win. Maybe if they got a few big team owners on board but like you said even then I doubt they want to cause a split.
It just sucks that it’s even a possibility because as an Indycar fan I don’t wanna see a split happen, Indycar still hasn’t recovered despite having an incredible on track product
The irony is that the Indycar split is what gave Tony Stewart the chance to race Indycars.
No shot they spilt. The new NASCAR TV deal will be the biggest yet. All these deals mean is just growth in the sport of auto racing. Heck, there's some rumblings that ESPN wants to test out the SRX on Thursday to see if it will be worth it to bring back midweek races in the summer for NASCAR.
This happened in professional darts in the 90's as well, and led to ultimate demise and bankruptcy of the BDO, the previous global body that sanctioned darts in the 90's. The PDC was a breakaway by the top 16 players who wanted the sport to be more professional, better paid and more attractive to sponsors. 25 years later, darts is massive here in the UK and Europe, growing world wide and PDC is to thank for that. Sports breakaways do happen, rare, but they can change the landscape of the sport entirely.
Oh Lord, its '96 all over again if this Happens
Nascar won't go away because they also their own tracks. It would be great if their was a national super lm series with enough cash to fund full time teams and stick the local track to keep them alive.
Cars tour series is awesome. Been to bunch of them. And worked them. Very nice people. Awesome drivers. And SRX is finally coming to my track this year. And I can’t wait to work it and meet all the drivers!!
SRX wouldn't come within a hundred miles of my local track LOL
Love Cars Tour, especially when they’ve gone to Dominion Raceway. One of my old hockey teammates drives in it at least part time IIRC, great racing and great people.
Speaking of the SRX theyre coming to my local track Stafford Speedway again which we've held every year and some big Cup Series guys like Harvick and Bowyer are interested. However one big change is SRX 2023 will be on ESPN not CBS
And probably no Allen Bestwick, consequently. He didn't fit with ESPN's newer inclu--- I MEAN YOUNGER hiring practices.
4:37 The track doesn't just have that screen actually. That's something that DirtVision the exclusive streaming service of the World of Outlaw Sprint Cars and Late Models brings with them to every event. Most dirt tracks don't have that kind of thing lol Maybe Eldora or Knoxville, but usually it's Flo or DirtVision bringing those big screens in the infield. And honestly, anyone at the race hates them. They block half the back stretch on a lot of tracks and you can't see the racing
Imagine if JR, Harvick, Burton, and Stewart were the top 4 in NASCAR decision making
The thing with NASCAR is, their own incompetence will catch up with them
I don't think a split makes sense anyway. I just keep hoping Nascar makes the product better and less gimmicky.
Great video too bad it was only 8secs long.
NASCAR needs to listen to the drivers, the team owners, and the fans like they should've had all this time so we won't worry about a split. I firmly believe that there should be new leadership to steer NASCAR in the right direction.
Agreed
Nascar is going in the wrong direction since 2019 the next gen car needs to be removed why not he have a car similar too the gen4 and more shorts tracks and 750 hp and long season points and nascar cold move the stands back and run unrestricted engines
@@lllllllllllll343 Agreed. Do what ARCA did, and that is to make the INTERIOR similar to the COT while the aero and EXTERIOR stays similar to Gen 4.
I don't think we're heading towards a split, but I do think that guys like the CARS Tour 4, Stewart, Hamlin & maybe a few others (possibly Busch brothers too) could try to force their way into NASCAR management, as in forcing NASCAR to include some of them (e.g. Dale Jr & Smoke) as part of it's management team, so that they can try to reform NASCAR more to how they want it to be.
I don't know if they're going to be successful with that, but that's kind of the vibe I'm getting.
Your vibe is ridiculous. People just don't force their way into NASCAR management. Especially a LMS series with 5,000 people in the stands and a driver base that 90% of racing fans haven't heard of. SRX is a fun alternative but it's weird looking cars on short tracks with the occasional A list NASCAR driver. Most are washed up drivers that don't really take part in entertaining races. Enjoy SRX for what it is and new management group for the CARS series isn't looking to take on NASCAR, they are trying to make that series stronger and more recognizable.
If any racing series is going to have a split soon, it is going to be F1 especially if Michael Andretti can try to get onto the F1 grid. The established F1 teams like Ferrari, Red Bull & Mercedes along with others like Haas don't want Andretti to join F1 because it means less revenue for them even though it has the potential to grow the sport even more in the US than it is currently. I should point out that the teams I mentioned love the money they make in the US but hate the idea of an American team entering the sport & giving them competition. The FIA & Liberty Media on the other hand want Andretti to join because of the growth potential with F1 in the US. The FIA president even came out publicly & said that they welcome Andretti into F1. If the FIA allows Andretti to join, there is a small chance that those teams decide to break away from F1 & form their own series. This would then result in the FIA having to use teams & drivers from the Formula E series or more likely the lower series below F1 to fill the grid. The chances of this happening are slim in my view because all of Ferrari's, Red Bull & Mercedes worth as teams is tied into the fact that they are in F1 & they risk losing that if they decided to break away & Ferrari & Mercedes would likely lose factory support for the new series.
With the way NASCAR has been for a long long time with 2 previous administrations, it’s deserved if it ever happens.
The past 2 managements (Brian France and Steve Phelps/Steve O’Donnell administrations) have been nothing but awful. Not only that, not only fans, but drivers and teams are constantly getting screwed over by the sanctioning body because they’re focusing on the wrong directions.
If The NASCAR Split happens, it’s deserved.
If The NASCAR Split doesn’t happen, eh, oh well. They got lucky.
All I can say is NASCAR Land, buckle up and pray and hold on for dear life.
Imagine if NASCAR was ran by Dale Jr. Stewart, Gordon, Harvick, Jimmie, Carl and Denny I'll be Happu
@@aldouscoroza as long as they get rid of the NASJunks that hurt NASCAR, then I’m all for it
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT Phelps, O'Donnell, Scott Miller, and Robert Kauffman need to get the Hell Out, they're the Idiots who ruined NASCAR
Pretty sure they are doing fine seeing revenue has never been higher. Not sure how drivers and teams are being screwed over, they are making more money than ever. They just also spend a lot more (hello cost cap!). The fans are given the most access, best ticket pricing in all of sports. You can go to Talladega for two days of racing, camp for free, attend a concert, bring your own food and drinks, all for $50. Wow, poor fans.
@@RippingItAllSportsCards that’s the thing, they’re focusing on TV money and not focusing on what drivers and team wants.
Also when I mean fans, I mean fans who love Motorsports with no bs stuff. NASCAR’s still abandoning those people.
I’m sure going to races in-person is fun (I’ve only been to Homestead in 2013), so I’m aware things changed for fan attendances. But the in-person fan stuff isn’t what I was talking about. My apologies for not specifying.
Great video Slap!
I've been very optimistic on the direction that local short track racing has been taking these last few years. We just have to do our part and get butts in seats. 🤘
See you out at the track!
-Ryan
I'm also optimistic! I've been wanting to get back into late model racing recently so it's great to see things moving in a postive direction for short track racing. For a while there I was starting to worry that by the time I can get a car together there won't be any series left to race in but it's looking less and less like that will be the case
Unfortunately, that won't be enough. Short tracks need to solve all the problems with their amenities before they can attract a good crowd.
SRX is a 2 hour show… qualifying, heats, and main events, all in 2 hours. NASCAR needs to take notes. I watched every SRX race their last season, and enjoyed every single event!
I was lucky to catch the SRX series at Lucas oil speedway and I liked it just to see who was entering
Sad that's going away, I was a loyal SRX viewer all 3 seasons.
Whether there’s a split or not, we know that NASCAR will continue taking "stock-car racing" down the wrong path. Therefore an alternative stock-car racing series would immediately gain traction if it presented auto-racing without cheap, embarrassing gimmicks…
My fear is that any new series would create their own 'NASCAR-style' playoff system, because they wrongly assume that’s now a 'necessary' part of selling auto-racing to the public, which is 100% wrong. NASCAR is big, but so was the Titanic… Bad leadership will sink you.
I think the cars tour purchase was for talent acquisitions and support. Build up drivers and maybe crew members move them up to Trucks or Xfinity. You have Kevin Harvick owner of KHI you have Jr as an xfinity owner, and Marks as a cup owner. Marks and JR could be working with GM to keep the talent going Kevin wants young blood for KHI, heck he can even take current KHI drivers and get them a CARS ride a lot easier now. Or use some more well known KHI talent to prop up some races. Ryan Preece running a CARS race could work well.
Ryan Preece is a modified guy through and through and I don't see him running a CARS Tour race. He grew up racing at my local short track Stafford and I have seen him race there plenty of times whether it be in an SK or Tour Type Modified
I don't want to see NASCAR go away. I love other series in Oval racing where NASCAR can't afford to go out of the norms of modern standards in top level of racing..
I think there is room for a "rebels" sort of series. Which I think Tony is providing and this new CARS tour.
There's plenty of odd ball tracks they can go to as well.. Like Colorado's Pikes Peak International.
Wait. As in driving stock cars up the mountain?
@Tony Ski that would be sweet but that's an oval track the Busch series used to run
Pikes Peak legally can’t be used for organized racing, it was a condition put into the contract the current owners signed when they bought it
@@MLGProSwag69 They can have events under 10k or somethin
@@MLGProSwag69 Who put that clause in the contract? They could choose not to do anything about it if it did happen.
Not really a split but what about the RTA wanting to do exhibition races? The CARS tour would be a good series to run them
10k for a big deal pavement late model race? Literally every single World of Outlaw Late Model race is 10k to win. Costs continue to rise at the same rate on dirt vs pavement but if pavement doesn’t figure out how to pay, they’re done.
Even The Iceberg has said no not a split this way, it is unlikely to happen. He did hint at the divers wanting to do exhibitions races in the off season but not much after that info and him saying this could cause a split. I do fear NASCAR buying out the Late Model Cars series and merging that series with the very similar style cars of Sportsman, with a name like Late Model Sportsman Series with a car that is 1/2 way between the two types using both series tracks.
Bruhhh “if they want that smoke” I think these guys see the writing on the wall Indy and f1 and growing year over year. Now we have a team and a driver in f1 nascar needs to listen, nascar needs to be bought out by everyone that’s trying to make a competing series. That way they can create a consortium to run the league and you end up with the premier name in stock car racing with some type of head governing body put in place and voted on by the teams. Fuck it honestly after that let’s bring in the fia to create a race weekend we all enjoy and is financially viable. Nascars in deeper shit than we know lolol
Indycar wasnt struggling before the split we were thriving having just had mansell mania...
I do think there may be changes that come to NASCAR per the SRX and Cars Series, and this is very ideal and a bold prediction, but I think it may encourage NASCAR to go less off of gimmicks and try to be a legitimate sport again. So if things go well, we could be saying goodbye to the Playoffs.
Surprised you didn’t mention the RTA(Race Team Alliance) talking about holding their own races.
I'll add one thing here, it opened my eyes a bit that Dale Jr would invest in the CARS tour, after stating that purchasing a Cup Series team wasn't a good investment. That's *something in my opinion.
I hope a split is indeed not on the radar and they jointly figure out their differences. Nascar has already declined massively and to do breakup now would sink the sport that much deeper.
No, but I wish it was the case. Im sorry for sounding like a nascar purist here folks but this is getting ridiculous. Why would it kill nascar to cut the stages and wonky point system just to go back to the old and simple ways?
Only good thing they’ve done is change up the schedule and add more road courses and short tracks
NASCAR started it's slow painful death when they decided to bring in the chase for the Nextel cup. Once Jeff Gordon found out he kept getting screwed out of champions and left in 2014, the sport has lost 90% of it's legacy racers since. The 10% that stayed is the 10% generally disliked by most fans. Personally, I won't watch nascar for that reason alone. There's nobody there to root for. No familiar names, no new blood that I recognize. Just a field of nobodies driving in circles for 3 hours.
Now, when it comes to the SRX series, I will GLADLY sit there for a few hours and watch. All the great drivers of nascars past show up to race there. Same with CARS. I'll gladly sit there and watch a bunch of no name racers Duke it out, because it's a hometown racing series that could potentially breed top tier stars. They all run on points. And they all don't follow the nascar rules package.
there won't be a split, there will be a slow and destrcutive collapse that sees Indycar become the only big speedway series left. The CARS Tour might become the East to the ASA's midwest late model series.
Indycar is more likely to die first. They're terrible at marketing and Roger isn't making the series better
Sadly, it seems like as long as Motorsport exists, regardless of the discipline, there will always be disputes that drive a wedge between at least two factions that threaten the overall growth of a sport. Take the FISA/FOCA War that rocked F1 in the 1980's for example. FISA, in effect the FIA of today (the governing body), although they'd never publicly admit it, were more in favour of major manufacturers like Renault, Ferrari and BMW who mostly ran 1.5 litre turbocharged engines, either V6 or inline 4. FOCA, Formula One Constructors Association, were more concerned about the interests of smaller, independent teams like Williams, Mclaren and other teams that were primarily based in Britain and primarily ran a less expensive 3.0 Ford Cosworth DFV (short for Double Four Valve) V8 engine.
Long story short, FOCA ran a one off unofficial race in South Africa in 1981, but the real controversy came in the following year. At the season opener in Brazil, defending champion, Nelson Piquet took victory in a Brabham and second place went to the eventual champion that year, Keke Rosberg. However, due to a dubious enforcement of a regulation that hadn't been enforced before (where between the end of the race and scrutineering, teams could top up fluids in the car) both Piquet and Rosberg were disqualified for "running their cars below the minimum weight limit", conveniently promoting the third place finisher, the turbo charged Renault of future world champion, Alain Prost, to official race winner.
The controversy came to be known as "Water Cooled Brakes," where the primarily British teams emptied their tanks, intended to cool the brake discs during the races, during the race, allowing them to exploit the only weakness (apart from reliability) that turbo cars had at the time, a heavier mass to be hauled around the track, as turbo cars were becoming more and more of a threat to win as time went on.
The dispute came to an end with the signing of what came to be known as the "Concorde Agreement," (in relation to the location of the agreement being signed, the Place de la Concorde in Paris).
The France Family is a textbook example of the 3 generations of a rich family syndrome.
First generation builds the wealth and makes the fortune.
Second generation does nothing with it and said fortune stagnates.
Third generation squanders it.
NASCAR has gone from minor league to as big as the NFL and back again. Something has to give.
WWE was the same way
@@fa1509 except Vince is all 3 of them.
Let's be real here, Bill France Sr., Bill France Jr., and Brian France are all equally terrible.
Great video, but people have been saying NASCAR is heading for a split for 15+ years. I think you mentioned it though i a different video, but NASCAR is way too over saturated. If they cut back to say 25 races a year the stands would be full and a lot more people would be interested in going or watching the races. The reason the SRX Series is so popular is because they only do what 6 races a year? All at different tracks?
Cutting back races won't do anything. Look at NH, MIS, Auto Club. All lost a date and pretty much attendance never grew. The SRX has been popular, but they also go to venues that don't hold 50,000 people. The communities that host NASCAR races need to help more. I know that when MIS lost a date, the local community was shocked... well they didn't want to be a part of helping until it was too late.
@@RippingItAllSportsCards I guess I was thinking of tracks like Richmond, Atlanta, Daytona, Las Vegas, or Kansas. And I think those fanbases were made because they lost dates to other tracks, if NASCAR cutback to 25 or so races (and more offweeks) there would be more urgency in the regular season and would make each race matter more. But Auto Club if I remember correctly was packed last spring, if a track puts on good racing the fanbase will be there.
You’re 100% wrong about this NASCAR will 100% split if the teams don’t get a significant raise of the TV money. Hendrick’s Motorsports, Joe Gibbs, and Roger Penske, could easily pull out of NASCAR and form their own racing series.
Honestly if NASCAR gets rid of Steve Phelps, Steve O'Donnell, Robert Kauffmann, and Scott Miller aka the Idiots Running NASCAR and turning the Sport into a Basketball Game with Playoffs, Stages, etc. I will be Happy.
Know what’s funny? Late models are basically what will happen to big level stock car racing if the manufacturers pull out or refuse to support fuel powered racing in the face of EV’s getting a push from the suits. Sure some things like independent suspension and the curvy lines of the Next Gen might carry over but for the most part it’s bog standard late models. Should the Mustang, Camaro, or even the Camry end production with no replacements in the pipeline, suddenly oval racing starts to look like the CARS tour. The split won’t be coming soon but if NASCAR makes a big enough mistake they will fall like David and Goliath
there certainly is growing discontent among the drivers aimed at NASCAR officials for one reason or another, it is not super likely however if left unchecked or should things not change for the better I could easily see that likelihood increase.
here's hoping that doesn't happen seeing as NASCAR finally seems to be attracting new fans little by little again & a stock car civil war in the same vein as the CART/IRL split would be the death of NASCAR.
But does NASCAR leadership really know how to keep the top spot? If they did, they'd consider dropping some of the gimmick BS. I used to watch every Sunday...now I might check the results every couple of weeks. It's not like the standings really mean sh!t.
Here is my rebuttal. These series are not looking to supplant NASCAR...yet. But maybe they have open ended plans if they continue to succeed.
What is better? Packing small venues full of fans or sparsely supported super speedways. It's a fact that Nascar's desire to grow the sport by ditching smaller venues has killed the racing that made them great.
I was so distracted during the talk of SRX because I heard "Good for Health, Bad for Education"... VA-11 Hall-A is such a good game with amazing music too.
Also good video lol
People do not want a split to happen, I say it could depending on this next tv deal, if nascar gets it wrong then we are in huge trouble going to that direction.
I would take tickets to any Lucas Oil Super Late Model dirt race, over any Nascar event, any day. The points/playoff system is stupid, and no "stock" parts are even used. Just another spec racing series.
I know what you mean about dirt track fans being well taken care of. A group of people online made their own Mario Kart style go-karts out of kids power wheels. They looked around, and it was a dirt track that decided to let them hold a small racing event. You had a small 4x4 power wheels jeep build, and even a Barbie car. Dirt tracks definitely know how to please and keep your attention.
The IRL and Tony George (one of the biggest idiots in motorsport history) literally took an amazing, thriving American open wheel sport and ruined it almost overnight. Motorsport doesn’t have the popularity or cost efficiency to support multiple series.
The problem for NASCAR is they have now pissed off drivers, fans, and I can’t imagine team owners are too happy with 6 demolition derbies on the schedule and a bullshit championship format. The RTA is very similar to how CART started out in the first Indycar split between USAC and CART, they are/were both groups of teams fighting for the common interest of teams. So while there’s not an imminent split, we are approaching a breaking point of some sort.
NASCAR probably is fine with all of this because it's letting someone else build their roots for them. The savvy business guys don't have to do any of the work while the drivers get the glory; everybody wins in this case.
NASCARs biggest problem is that the races have become very "fans in the stands" unfriendly. With later start times to cater to a nonexistent west coast fan base there are fewer and fewer fans in the stands every year. The casual fans watching on TV see marques races not selling out it them question if they don't have better things to do with their time since its obvious, to them, that the diehard fans who go to the races don't seem to care anymore then why should they bother. When the ratings crater the networks won't pay out the same money year after year and the France family's grandchildren may have to find real work.
The Trans-Am series is another good series if one prefers pure road course racing. Basically, it's the road course version of NASCAR. It hardly gets any attention, and the racing is good.
In the video he states he has never seen grandstands filled the way that the SRX does? I recall a time when ASA routinely put on these shows in the late 90's early 2000's. I would absolutely love for a national level series to develop with a focus on the short tracks. There are countless Late Model races that could be used as marquee events for that series.
I don’t know if I actually commented before but NASCAR is really starting to feel like Indycar pre split… nascar history man has a great series about it if someone would want look into it
The fact people stay dirt racing because there’s money there instead of moving up to NASCAR should be enough of a red flag to NASCAR.
Idk about a split, but I hope this means NASCAR is more willing to listen to the drivers as to not lose enough current faces to other forms of racing whether it be these two, Indycar, RallyCross, etc.
S1apshoes' Bob Barker sound bite: I'm S1apshoes, help control the small track population, go support your local short track
I've been to 3 tracks in Indiana not alot but the one dirt track I've went honestly was a better show there's more actual racing with all the heats and more crashes and better and less expensive food and beer given I love irp and want it on the cup schedule I can say kokomo was alot better for the casual racing fans
Hey S1ap, if we're talking alternative stock car series, why not a video on USAC stock cars back in the day?
I've been an SRX fan since it got off the ground. That series is just plain fun, and I'll continue to watch as long as they keep going. As for the CARS series, this is my first exposure to it...and I gotta say, my interest is piqued. Those cars look mean and sleek, and the little clips you showed of the races show large fields and hard competition, which sounds like a good time.
I highly doubt there will ever be a split, but I do hope these smaller series put enough competitive pressure on NASCAR to encourage them to move in a direction that provides a better product for the fans and a better environment for the drivers and teams. Back off on the corporatism and gimmicks and focus more on the drivers. Do I think that will actually happen? Probably not. But one can hope.
The Valley Star 300 at Martinsville is packed with fans and top drivers for a late model can't miss events.
I haven't watched much Nascar in the last 15 years. Much more of an F1, Indy, sportscars fan but man it's refreshing to hear a racing youtuber that thinks critically and doesn't fangirl out with their wildest fantasies everytime a rumor pops up. Nice work.
I never liked the big race tracks! I feel like when cars and srx came out I feel like the racing was so much better on the short tracks!
I don't think there will be a split. However, I do think SRX and CARS have the potential to eat in to the "stock car racing" audience that NASCAR has thus far enjoyed without serious competition. I still love NASCAR and I will still follow it for as long as it's around. However, I'm in agreement with folks like Tony Stewart that NASCAR is not being run correctly. Playoffs, stage cautions, an underwhelming social media footprint, and other problems are some of the issues in my opinion. If it's not careful, NASCAR could see its reign at the top in US motorsports be taken away. F1 continues to increase its US presence, and any audience increase of SRX and CARS could see this NASCAR audience erosion continue. I agree with you S1apSh0es that NASCAR, SRX, and CARS should feed off each other (hell, feed off of Formula 1's audience, too, why not?) to increase audiences for all (i.e. a rising tide lifts all boats).
Keep in mind that a split CAN be beneficial under the right circumstances - CART was itself born from a split with USAC and brought IndyCar to an unprecedented peak. That peak was over by 1996, but going into the CART/IRL war they were still making insane amounts of money and in no danger of failing. This is why the IRL split was so damaging - instead of doing something like what the quartet of new CARS Tour investors look to be doing, Tony George decided to forcefully replace CART. The team owners that formed CART originally intended to work with USAC and only made their own series when USAC told them to f*** off and doubled down on the things holding them back.
I don't think a split is coming, but the way things are going if one DID happen it would probably be closer to the CART/USAC split than the CART/IRL split.
Why doesn't NASCAR hire you and Brock Beard, I just don't get it
Hell, even if someone with a ton of cash comes in and forces a split it isn't going to be good! Have you SEEN the PGA Tour/LIV Golf dispute?
Oh great now we heard that Saudi Arabia might be buying WWE thanks to Vince McMahon and now we have a split in NASCAR that might be going on man is NASCAR and WWE dying right now like what's going on in 2023?