I still love that in Skyrim you can see a dragon approaching and accurately say "I AM GOING TO GIVE THAT DRAGON A STERN TALKING TO". I love the concept of the Thu'um.
***** Supposedly they were all of the dragon blood, but Martin and Uriel never learned to shout therefore they were never said to be gifted in the voice, but I do not know for shor
The Battle of Red Mountain consisted of the Nord, Orc, and Dwemer alliance (there is a book in Morrowind that actually refers to Jurgen Windcaller and the voice) and the chimer -- the united houses under Nerevar and his council (Sotha Sil, Almalexia, and Vivec). This is the battle the tablet was referring to where the Dwemer and their nord allies were defeated, and before the chimer became dunmer. I cannot wait until Claudius dwells into a Dwemer ruin. Perhaps you will offer theories.
Tiber Septim did use shouts, in the books it says he used his shouts to conquer the kingdoms until the night where his king/emperor was assassinated and his throat was slit. He was left unable to use his shouts so he continued his conquest of Tamriel as a tactician and a general.
I love the fact that you have a dreadful internet speed and yet you upload videos in such high quality. This must take entire days to upload. Thanks for the new video. See you at the end of the video. :D
And yet Alduin later taunts you over not being able to speak dragon. Personally I took it as being similar to the signs in Morrowind, they needed some generic "text" and decided to make it non-English fantasy symbols so it was less obvious that each one was the exact same thing. In canon, it's still written in English (Or Cyrodiilic I suppose)
I really enjoy this series Jingles, you made Claudius a believable and in-depth character. He really fits the role of an Imperial, and what he would think going through being a dragonborn.
And there you go, he starts using shouts and goes all weird in his head. Happens to the best of us Claudius, you don't have to worry about that. Great video once again, however I just want to see his reaction to the whole unrelenting force shout now!
You have to remember, though, that there is more than 200 years difference between Morrowind and Skyrim in the Elder Scrolls lore. 200 years is plenty of time for religions to change. As well, it's not as though you don't hear the Nords refer to the gods in the old way: 'Shor's bones!'
Wolf Djinn im not sure thats possible, seeing as there are scripted fights before the frost troll, specifically wolves and a frostbite spider, sometimes a saber cat and an ice wraith or two, the troll fight is usually the last in large succession of fights that get progressively harder to show your getting closer to your destination
Your right about the distant trees looking ugly in The Rift.Compared to how they would look in real life because I live in an area of the US where the leaves turn during the autumn and the sight of entire forest hillsides going on for miles with all the different colored is breathtaking.
The worship of the Nine Divines in Skyrim seem to be a lot more complicated than them just having converted to the "new" gods. An example of this is that Mara is still considered the Handmaiden of Kyne, and that Talos is Ysmir, the Dragon of the North. And there are plenty of references made by Nords to Shor and Sovngarde. Add in that Akatosh, Stendarr, Julianos and Zenithar only has a shrine in a city-temple in Solitude, the center of Imperial influence in Skyrim.
Rook013 Very probable. Almost 640 years of Skyrim being part of the Empire would have some impact on the culture. Just like the Colovians have strong cultural ties to the Nords and their traditions, going back to before the 1st Cyrodilic Empire.
Rook013 That depends on which change, I think. Removing Talos would be easy enough in the direct aftermath of the Great War. What must have been the original transition between a temple to the Nordic divines to the Nine Divines would take a lot more time, I think.
I don't think the reason for the gift of the Voice is contradictory to the teachings of the "Way of the Voice". The main teaching of the "Way of the Voice" is "Speak only in true need". Defeating dragons who were oppressing the humans was a case of using the voice in "true need". It was used for self-defence. Using it later for conquests wasn't in "true need".
I think that's what makes the Elder Scrolls lore so awesome. They're can be contradictions and theories that can be true or untrue the same as in real life.
True, and I fully expect Jingles and everyone else to use their own judgement while reading the book. However, canonity in TES lore is subjective to a degree. We very often simply do not have enough information on a subject to objectively decide what is canon and what isn't, and it is expected that the players decide for themselves what to believe. In this particular case, the idea of using the Thu'um to summon a dead god sounds so ridiculously badass I simply can't dismiss it.
If you read between the lines, you can find the lore, but you can also find books that give the different perspectives from other scholars and their theories on lore (like the Alduin/Akatosh Dichtomy) The lore is very well put together, but you can always find somebody, somewhere in the Elder Scrolls who has a different theory or outlook.
Well, the old gods of the Nords more or less seem to be basically Nord versions of the Eight/Nine, so I don't think it's that odd that they may have assimilated their beliefs to the Imperial beliefs, seeing as they were already quite similar. I mean, the early Imperials even worshiped a god called Shezarr, who was basically their version of Shor.
well according to some sources of lore tiber septim could shout during his time as a general to the cyrodilic king Cuhlecain. Talos as he was called used the voice in battle which convinced the nords to join talos and cuhlecain. An assassin later killed cuhlecain and slit talo's throat preventing him from ever shouting again. Thats the offical story anyway... whether talos killed cuhlecain to form the 3rd empire or even if talos is a single person is a mystery.
The Battle or Red Mountain stone refers to the Windcalller v Indoril Nerevar and Dumac, where the allied Chimer and Dwemer slaughtered the nord conquerors.
Technically with Jurgen it was a debate similar to how dragons fight since dragons fighting is literally a verbal debate when they are shouting at one another.
No Dave, you're wrong about the Battle at Red Mountain, it was the one where the Nords was beaten by the alliance between the Dwemer and the Chimer. Lead by Idoril Nerevar and King Dumac, in 1E 416.
Tiber Septim was able to shout until he united Cyrodiil with some dude (the Jarl of Falkreath, I think) and he kind of had his throat cut by an assassin.
the rain in snowy areas is a glitch; it happens when you move to a snowy area when it's either beginning to rain or it already is :/ you can get this glitch in the soul cairn too, but only if you have the storm call shout... the storm goes away then comes back again for a moment, then goes, then returns and so on lol
you know, technically Claudius already broke the way of the voice. i remember in the siege of whiterun, he used unrelenting force in the battle.even if he didnt know it at the time.
So you're saying it's smaller in-game, but taller in history books? :L... Maybe you should believe what you see, rather than what you read in history books, heheh.
I was unfortunately attacked by a dragon on the 7000 steps. Right where the pilgrim is. Had to run away from it and let Lydia fight it... Not my best day.
That's actually a pretty common occurrence. Happens to me roughly one third of the time, whenever i make a new character and take them up the 7000 Steps for the first time.
i think the bug has something to do with the lock picking overhaul mod because i had the same problem and i just deactivated and reactivated the mod and i could suddenly use the e button again
7000 steps is likely a reference to the legendary Mount Tai (or Tai Shan) in China, which is said to have 7000 stairs leading to a summit that unites Heaven and Earth. In an interview, Todd Howard jokingly mentioned that he would count all the steps leading up to High Hrothgar to make sure it's 7,000, however it appears that there are actually only 748 steps.
The whole Red Mountain thing does indeed refer to THE Battle of Red Mountain during which the Chimer became the Dunmer, the Dwemer vanished, etc. The reason why Jurgen was so shocked by its outcome was that not only did the Nords have their most powerful warriors/Tongues with them (including Wulfharth), but they also RESURRECTED SHOR to fight by their side. And they STILL lost. Give The Five Songs of King Wulfharth a read if you want to hear the whole story.
I agree that the area did have that autumn feel when i was playing the game, though I honestly can't remember the orange leaves, and it's a shock to think that Bethesda made non-evergreens. I'm going to check for myself later.
Red mountain was once the tallest mountain in Tamriel but, much like real life volcanoes, having erupted several time it isn't nearly as tall as it was when it was formed.
What Martin said its not lorkhan himself rather a "aspect" or lorkhan know in the past as the underling and is a man who died and was resurrected and each time he resurrected had different names. One being Ymir and actor the underling and another is the empoerer himself who ascended to become talons taking the place of lorkhan in the pantheon of the nine divines ending the cycle or 'rebirth'
I did some research and people said there are 748 steps or 732. I believe they are referring to literal steps, not steps you take walking, which would be around 7,000
Nords get a slight advantage, being "native" to skyrim, they are slightly more acclimatized, therefore suffer slightly less. otherwise all races are the same when you start out. Khajiits fur doesn't do anything in the current release, which stands to reason i guess: They did grow up in Elsweyr, much warmer there. Argonians may or may not be cold blooded, but either way doesn't affect them.
I don't know if this has been asked, but what is Claudius' thoughts on Talos? Is he kowtowing to the Thalmor, and rejecting Talos, or does he view them as the NINE Divines(not openly, since he wouldn't want to cause diplomatic issues, yet)?
You could argue that the change from worshipping Shor -> Talos wasn't that big of a change since it's possible Tiber Septim mantled Shor to become Talos. Alternatively it could just be that Solstheim is to Skyrim what Vvardenfell was to the rest of Morrowind (prior to its colonisation), an isolated pocket with different customs compared to the mainland.
I don't know what the lore says, but given how difficult it can be to detemine how tall mountains are in modern days, it would be no surprise if the pocket guide is wrong.
Tiber Septim did know how to shout. But he did because he studied it for years. However, a failed assassination attempt involved slitting his throat. He was a mute from then on. That's why he's not known for shouting.
Jingles, the problem with the ice wraiths has nothing to do with immersive creatures. I did not have that mod installed and had the exact same problem, I never did find the cause. Had to abandon a level 36 character; started a new game and have not encountered ice wraiths yet. Also, ghostly remains will break the E key as well. If anyone knows a fix, please let us know.
I guess the writing on the etched tablets could be Ancient Akaviri symbols. It look similar to the symbols in Sky Haven Temple. I'm not sure why that would be though.
In My experience in frostfall climbing the throat, it's probably best to set up camp in the rock outcrop where the troll is to warm up before proceeding.
I've never played Bloodmoon, but is it far to compare the cultures of the Nords of Skyrim and the Nords of Solstheim as one? Perhaps the missionary efforts by the Imperials preferred to stay in continental Skyrim?
RandomFrog shor was not in the form of a god he was for all intensive purposes a man he was a "aspect" of the god lorkhan who is basically niri itself because he sacrifice himself to create Mundas. Now the heart of lorkhan was on the dark Elys side and shor was on the Nords side so you have two forms of lorkhan a original power there in the battle two weakened and lesser forms. Shor was not a full god he was a aspect of basically Mundas itself just as Tiber septium was and he took lorkhans place
you should play moonpaths to elswere. its kinda short (well shorter than i thought it would be), but it has some awesome environments and the quests are actually really fun.
@ 16:15 the reason why the nords in skyrim worship the imperial pantheon is because sadly bethesda got lazy and decided to copy paste religion from oblivion into skyrim. There are some theories that justify the nords change in belief, but to be honest those are just excuses for poor writing on bethesda's part. The lore has always referenced the nords mainly worshiping shor, yismir, kyne, and etc.
I thought it was because he was Dragonborn/Ysmir/Dragon of the North. And because to be able to wear the Amulet of Kings that is the symbol of the ruler in Tamriell. You most have dragonblood flowing in your veins. That what I thought.. but I might be mistaken! ;)
Actually, all the Septims could shout. But they had to go to High Hrothgar and train. Talos could shout easily because there was dragons around that he could kill and absorb their knowledge.
I apologize, I hadn't even started the video when I replied to your comment. I had assumed you meant that without a dragon's soul, you can't use the Thu'um.
in the Reman and Septim time there weren't any dragons to steal power from, that's why they couldnt shout. But you probably said that in character and you already know:)
I think Red Mountain WAS taller. But since it erupted in 4E 5...or more like exploded and turning most of Morrowind into a volcanic wasteland. It may no longer be the tallest.
i dont have immersive creatures installed and i have the same problem with ash piles. Im guessing it has to do with their categorization not being the same as other dead bodies and that conflicts with some mod you have installed
I think the height has been retconned. Everything I've read says its the tallest mountain in the world, which is why it's called the Throat of the World. I am willing to be corrected though.
"The Thousand Steps" can be completed (and no, you don't count the steps; how would the game know you did it?) There an NPC somewhere...don't recall where...who has an opinion about it. And there's a book.
Yeah but you can't always trust a book. Anyone could have written it. I mean it says Alduin has a shout that could shift a mans age. Yet when I saw Dovahkiin in the tavern the day after Alduin's great cry of defeat was heard he looked the same as he did before when he was simply delivering a message to the Jarl. And he never mentioned a shout of that kind in his description of the battle.
I installed lockpicking overhaul and the ash piles were blocked but I'm not sure the mod itself causes the problem. Maybe when it's combined with something else. Besides, the distant terrain looks strange in your game.
klimmek always fails to mention the frost troll that you inevitably encounter near the top, which is quite a bit tougher than the "occasional wolf pack or stray". :/
I think the reason the Nords don't worship the old gods is because Skyrim is home to many Imperials and other races, so eventually they started to worship the new gods. However, they haven't forgotten the old gods because you can hear them make reference to them.
It's not like Shor is above other Aedra. Shor/Lorkhan wasn't sole creator, he was the starter of the project but he wasn't above them in power, maybe he was smarter because he managed to trick them but not stronger. And yes I agree that Nerevar beating Shor is crazy but this wouldn't be the first time mortal defeated a deity, not to mention that deities in TES world incarnate in weaker forms and send down avatars most of the time and never fight at full strength.
They may do, or they know one but not the other, however, they are the same, whether the Nords recognise that or not. It might be easier to say they fulfil the same role as being the deity that is the God-hero of mankind.
I still love that in Skyrim you can see a dragon approaching and accurately say "I AM GOING TO GIVE THAT DRAGON A STERN TALKING TO". I love the concept of the Thu'um.
Tiber Septim was actually able to shout, but he was muted when an assassin cut his throat and essentially his voice box.
*****
Supposedly they were all of the dragon blood, but Martin and Uriel never learned to shout therefore they were never said to be gifted in the voice, but I do not know for shor
Darker Depths I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.
Liam Gale PUNS
The Battle of Red Mountain consisted of the Nord, Orc, and Dwemer alliance (there is a book in Morrowind that actually refers to Jurgen Windcaller and the voice) and the chimer -- the united houses under Nerevar and his council (Sotha Sil, Almalexia, and Vivec). This is the battle the tablet was referring to where the Dwemer and their nord allies were defeated, and before the chimer became dunmer.
I cannot wait until Claudius dwells into a Dwemer ruin. Perhaps you will offer theories.
Tiber Septim did use shouts, in the books it says he used his shouts to conquer the kingdoms until the night where his king/emperor was assassinated and his throat was slit. He was left unable to use his shouts so he continued his conquest of Tamriel as a tactician and a general.
Ian L
Another source states that, that doesn't make that source ture.
I love the fact that you have a dreadful internet speed and yet you upload videos in such high quality. This must take entire days to upload. Thanks for the new video. See you at the end of the video. :D
The reason Claudius could read those stones along the mountain is because it is written in dragon. You're dragon born so you can naturally read it.
And yet Alduin later taunts you over not being able to speak dragon. Personally I took it as being similar to the signs in Morrowind, they needed some generic "text" and decided to make it non-English fantasy symbols so it was less obvious that each one was the exact same thing. In canon, it's still written in English (Or Cyrodiilic I suppose)
I really enjoy this series Jingles, you made Claudius a believable and in-depth character. He really fits the role of an Imperial, and what he would think going through being a dragonborn.
And there you go, he starts using shouts and goes all weird in his head. Happens to the best of us Claudius, you don't have to worry about that. Great video once again, however I just want to see his reaction to the whole unrelenting force shout now!
You have to remember, though, that there is more than 200 years difference between Morrowind and Skyrim in the Elder Scrolls lore. 200 years is plenty of time for religions to change. As well, it's not as though you don't hear the Nords refer to the gods in the old way: 'Shor's bones!'
First thing I ever encountered on the 7000 steps was a frost troll. At level 3. Fun times.
Wolf Djinn im not sure thats possible, seeing as there are scripted fights before the frost troll, specifically wolves and a frostbite spider, sometimes a saber cat and an ice wraith or two, the troll fight is usually the last in large succession of fights that get progressively harder to show your getting closer to your destination
atomic blast11 The frosbite spider isn't scripted. I recently climbed the steps and (other than the troll) all I found was a wolf or two
Every time I go up high Hrothgar there is always a god damn frost troll as well
Your right about the distant trees looking ugly in The Rift.Compared to how they would look in real life because I live in an area of the US where the leaves turn during the autumn and the sight of entire forest hillsides going on for miles with all the different colored is breathtaking.
The worship of the Nine Divines in Skyrim seem to be a lot more complicated than them just having converted to the "new" gods. An example of this is that Mara is still considered the Handmaiden of Kyne, and that Talos is Ysmir, the Dragon of the North. And there are plenty of references made by Nords to Shor and Sovngarde. Add in that Akatosh, Stendarr, Julianos and Zenithar only has a shrine in a city-temple in Solitude, the center of Imperial influence in Skyrim.
The change was probably caused by the Empire.
Rook013 Very probable. Almost 640 years of Skyrim being part of the Empire would have some impact on the culture.
Just like the Colovians have strong cultural ties to the Nords and their traditions, going back to before the 1st Cyrodilic Empire.
I wonder how difficult it was to get the temple in Solitude changed. They should have filled the empty space with something.
Rook013 That depends on which change, I think. Removing Talos would be easy enough in the direct aftermath of the Great War. What must have been the original transition between a temple to the Nordic divines to the Nine Divines would take a lot more time, I think.
I don't think the reason for the gift of the Voice is contradictory to the teachings of the "Way of the Voice". The main teaching of the "Way of the Voice" is "Speak only in true need". Defeating dragons who were oppressing the humans was a case of using the voice in "true need". It was used for self-defence. Using it later for conquests wasn't in "true need".
"I am Master Arngeir. I speak for the Greybeards." Reminds me of the Lorax. haha "I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees."
Joshua Minix I'm Master Arngeir, I speak for the Beards.The ones with Voice, the ones who are weird.
I think that's what makes the Elder Scrolls lore so awesome. They're can be contradictions and theories that can be true or untrue the same as in real life.
He's gonna love the 'Clear Skies' shout
True, and I fully expect Jingles and everyone else to use their own judgement while reading the book. However, canonity in TES lore is subjective to a degree. We very often simply do not have enough information on a subject to objectively decide what is canon and what isn't, and it is expected that the players decide for themselves what to believe.
In this particular case, the idea of using the Thu'um to summon a dead god sounds so ridiculously badass I simply can't dismiss it.
If you read between the lines, you can find the lore, but you can also find books that give the different perspectives from other scholars and their theories on lore (like the Alduin/Akatosh Dichtomy) The lore is very well put together, but you can always find somebody, somewhere in the Elder Scrolls who has a different theory or outlook.
Well, the old gods of the Nords more or less seem to be basically Nord versions of the Eight/Nine, so I don't think it's that odd that they may have assimilated their beliefs to the Imperial beliefs, seeing as they were already quite similar. I mean, the early Imperials even worshiped a god called Shezarr, who was basically their version of Shor.
And so the legend begins...
well according to some sources of lore tiber septim could shout during his time as a general to the cyrodilic king Cuhlecain. Talos as he was called used the voice in battle which convinced the nords to join talos and cuhlecain. An assassin later killed cuhlecain and slit talo's throat preventing him from ever shouting again. Thats the offical story anyway... whether talos killed cuhlecain to form the 3rd empire or even if talos is a single person is a mystery.
The Battle or Red Mountain stone refers to the Windcalller v Indoril Nerevar and Dumac, where the allied Chimer and Dwemer slaughtered the nord conquerors.
Technically with Jurgen it was a debate similar to how dragons fight since dragons fighting is literally a verbal debate when they are shouting at one another.
No Dave, you're wrong about the Battle at Red Mountain, it was the one where the Nords was beaten by the alliance between the Dwemer and the Chimer. Lead by Idoril Nerevar and King Dumac, in 1E 416.
I thought the battle at red mountain was the fight between the Chimer and the Dwemer that led to the dark elves and the disappearance of the Dwemer
Ladeao There are more than one Battle at Red Mountain.
Tiber Septim was able to shout until he united Cyrodiil with some dude (the Jarl of Falkreath, I think) and he kind of had his throat cut by an assassin.
i would really like to see you do a heavily modded morrowind lets play with the same role play elements of this and the oblivion let play.
I hope you stopped to pray at your bro Akatosh's shrines when you got the chance in this LP.
That "I speak for the Gray Beards" thing reminds me of the lorax.
the rain in snowy areas is a glitch; it happens when you move to a snowy area when it's either beginning to rain or it already is :/ you can get this glitch in the soul cairn too, but only if you have the storm call shout... the storm goes away then comes back again for a moment, then goes, then returns and so on lol
I can't get over how good your armour looks with this mod! Claudius is a total badass. Glad to see you haven't quit with this series :)
you know, technically Claudius already
broke the way of the voice. i remember in the siege of whiterun, he used unrelenting force in the battle.even if he didnt know it at the time.
+ShadexBlitz he found "Fus" in Bleak Falls Barrow before the Siege of Whiterun... im guessing SD just unlocked it with the dragon soul offscreen
+Gaius Maius He unlocked it after defeating the dragon of whiterun.
+Gaius Maius it automatically gets unlocked after you kill mirmulnir
men had sign language and the occasional uga uga
Red Mountain is taller, morrowind's just a little ... Old
So you're saying it's smaller in-game, but taller in history books? :L... Maybe you should believe what you see, rather than what you read in history books, heheh.
knight654654 No it had to be settled by the devs. I have no sense of humor, if the above was a joke.
I'm sorry that you're so humorless. :(
knight654654 Don't apologize. It's not your fault.
Also a lot hotter.
I was unfortunately attacked by a dragon on the 7000 steps. Right where the pilgrim is. Had to run away from it and let Lydia fight it... Not my best day.
That's actually a pretty common occurrence. Happens to me roughly one third of the time, whenever i make a new character and take them up the 7000 Steps for the first time.
i think the bug has something to do with the lock picking overhaul mod because i had the same problem and i just deactivated and reactivated the mod and i could suddenly use the e button again
So claudius(?) hasn't heard of kyne, one of the nine divines. kyne = Kynareth
Finally!
What a great episode, absolutely worth the wait.
7000 steps is likely a reference to the legendary Mount Tai (or Tai Shan) in China, which is said to have 7000 stairs leading to a summit that unites Heaven and Earth.
In an interview, Todd Howard jokingly mentioned that he would count all the steps leading up to High Hrothgar to make sure it's 7,000, however it appears that there are actually only 748 steps.
The whole Red Mountain thing does indeed refer to THE Battle of Red Mountain during which the Chimer became the Dunmer, the Dwemer vanished, etc. The reason why Jurgen was so shocked by its outcome was that not only did the Nords have their most powerful warriors/Tongues with them (including Wulfharth), but they also RESURRECTED SHOR to fight by their side. And they STILL lost.
Give The Five Songs of King Wulfharth a read if you want to hear the whole story.
"But it's cold outside!" The Dragonborn complains to the Greybeards.
Cause baby it's cold outside!
I agree that the area did have that autumn feel when i was playing the game, though I honestly can't remember the orange leaves, and it's a shock to think that Bethesda made non-evergreens.
I'm going to check for myself later.
Red mountain was once the tallest mountain in Tamriel but, much like real life volcanoes, having erupted several time it isn't nearly as tall as it was when it was formed.
What Martin said its not lorkhan himself rather a "aspect" or lorkhan know in the past as the underling and is a man who died and was resurrected and each time he resurrected had different names. One being Ymir and actor the underling and another is the empoerer himself who ascended to become talons taking the place of lorkhan in the pantheon of the nine divines ending the cycle or 'rebirth'
I didn't forget.. I lost consciousness 3 videos back. But I watched them again when I woke up.
I did some research and people said there are 748 steps or 732. I believe they are referring to literal steps, not steps you take walking, which would be around 7,000
Nords get a slight advantage, being "native" to skyrim, they are slightly more acclimatized, therefore suffer slightly less. otherwise all races are the same when you start out. Khajiits fur doesn't do anything in the current release, which stands to reason i guess: They did grow up in Elsweyr, much warmer there. Argonians may or may not be cold blooded, but either way doesn't affect them.
According to the CK, the Vvardenfall LOD from the Dragonborn DLC is still taller than the Throat of the world.
Yay! I'm happy to see Claudius return.
I don't know if this has been asked, but what is Claudius' thoughts on Talos?
Is he kowtowing to the Thalmor, and rejecting Talos, or does he view them as the NINE Divines(not openly, since he wouldn't want to cause diplomatic issues, yet)?
red moutain is the tallest volcano troat of the world is tallest mountain
You could argue that the change from worshipping Shor -> Talos wasn't that big of a change since it's possible Tiber Septim mantled Shor to become Talos. Alternatively it could just be that Solstheim is to Skyrim what Vvardenfell was to the rest of Morrowind (prior to its colonisation), an isolated pocket with different customs compared to the mainland.
Of course there is the 200 year divide from Oblivion and Morrowind to Skyrim, so it's possible that their pantheons evolved as such.
thx dave for the LP and for the mods that you introduced to me!
I don't know what the lore says, but given how difficult it can be to detemine how tall mountains are in modern days, it would be no surprise if the pocket guide is wrong.
So, did he ever find out what the problem with the Ice wraiths was?
Tiber Septim did know how to shout. But he did because he studied it for years. However, a failed assassination attempt involved slitting his throat. He was a mute from then on. That's why he's not known for shouting.
You CAN end it that way, but there's a longer, more circuitous route that involves the NPC and book I mentioned.
Jingles, the problem with the ice wraiths has nothing to do with immersive creatures. I did not have that mod installed and had the exact same problem, I never did find the cause. Had to abandon a level 36 character; started a new game and have not encountered ice wraiths yet. Also, ghostly remains will break the E key as well. If anyone knows a fix, please let us know.
bloody hell that rain annoyed the crap out of me,it's never ending!
Yes! I've been so excited for the next episode.
Yes, Talos is said to have become a God by mantling Shor or Lorkhan (who are also the same God).
I remember asking if Claudius would know about the Dragonborn at least a little. Thank you for addressing this, Jingles.
I guess the writing on the etched tablets could be Ancient Akaviri symbols. It look similar to the symbols in Sky Haven Temple. I'm not sure why that would be though.
Skryim happen many centuries laters, so that why they worship the new gods more.
In My experience in frostfall climbing the throat, it's probably best to set up camp in the rock outcrop where the troll is to warm up before proceeding.
I've never played Bloodmoon, but is it far to compare the cultures of the Nords of Skyrim and the Nords of Solstheim as one? Perhaps the missionary efforts by the Imperials preferred to stay in continental Skyrim?
RandomFrog shor was not in the form of a god he was for all intensive purposes a man he was a "aspect" of the god lorkhan who is basically niri itself because he sacrifice himself to create Mundas. Now the heart of lorkhan was on the dark Elys side and shor was on the Nords side so you have two forms of lorkhan a original power there in the battle two weakened and lesser forms. Shor was not a full god he was a aspect of basically Mundas itself just as Tiber septium was and he took lorkhans place
you should play moonpaths to elswere. its kinda short (well shorter than i thought it would be), but it has some awesome environments and the quests are actually really fun.
I have been waiting for this! THANK YOU JINGLES!
@ 16:15 the reason why the nords in skyrim worship the imperial pantheon is because sadly bethesda got lazy and decided to copy paste religion from oblivion into skyrim. There are some theories that justify the nords change in belief, but to be honest those are just excuses for poor writing on bethesda's part. The lore has always referenced the nords mainly worshiping shor, yismir, kyne, and etc.
Talos = Shor/Lorkhan/Ysmir, Kyne=Kynareth.
If it's just above freezing, you can get freezing rain and sleet without the snow melting.
Try using 'rwo' against the random raining. It's possibly caused by changing the timescale, happened to me too and I don't use mods atm.
That bugs in vanilla skyrim, when i played on the xbox it was quite aggravating.
I thought it was because he was Dragonborn/Ysmir/Dragon of the North. And because to be able to wear the Amulet of Kings that is the symbol of the ruler in Tamriell. You most have dragonblood flowing in your veins. That what I thought.. but I might be mistaken! ;)
Red Mountain is the largest Volcano in Tamriel whereas the Throat of the World is the largest mountain in Tamriel.
I've had the same problem with ashes and ice piles. No idea what causes it but it's not immersive creatures since I don't have that.
Actually, all the Septims could shout. But they had to go to High Hrothgar and train. Talos could shout easily because there was dragons around that he could kill and absorb their knowledge.
I apologize, I hadn't even started the video when I replied to your comment. I had assumed you meant that without a dragon's soul, you can't use the Thu'um.
in the Reman and Septim time there weren't any dragons to steal power from, that's why they couldnt shout. But you probably said that in character and you already know:)
I think Red Mountain WAS taller. But since it erupted in 4E 5...or more like exploded and turning most of Morrowind into a volcanic wasteland. It may no longer be the tallest.
Actually the ancient Nords did worship Talos, they just called him Ysmir. Shor is the Nordic version of Lorkhan.
i dont have immersive creatures installed and i have the same problem with ash piles. Im guessing it has to do with their categorization not being the same as other dead bodies and that conflicts with some mod you have installed
I think the height has been retconned. Everything I've read says its the tallest mountain in the world, which is why it's called the Throat of the World. I am willing to be corrected though.
Jingles has obviously never climbed a mountain in Scotland if he thinks that he's too high up for rain.
It's funny you can sprint the whirlwind sprint portion and they act like you did the shout.
After some research it seems like it's Lockpicking Overhaul causing the issue.
"The Thousand Steps" can be completed (and no, you don't count the steps; how would the game know you did it?) There an NPC somewhere...don't recall where...who has an opinion about it. And there's a book.
lockpick overhaul caused a few annoying click and button bugs.
Yeah but you can't always trust a book. Anyone could have written it. I mean it says Alduin has a shout that could shift a mans age. Yet when I saw Dovahkiin in the tavern the day after Alduin's great cry of defeat was heard he looked the same as he did before when he was simply delivering a message to the Jarl. And he never mentioned a shout of that kind in his description of the battle.
I installed lockpicking overhaul and the ash piles were blocked but I'm not sure the mod itself causes the problem. Maybe when it's combined with something else.
Besides, the distant terrain looks strange in your game.
It's a Red Dragon because of the Akaviri Dragonguard from the Reman Dynasty
The ice pile glitch happened to me as well and I didn't have immersive creatures
Yeah, in the beginning of the 4E, it blew up on the RedDay, thus making it shorter than the Throat of the World
klimmek always fails to mention the frost troll that you inevitably encounter near the top, which is quite a bit tougher than the "occasional wolf pack or stray". :/
I think red mt. got a little shorter when it erupted.
I think the reason the Nords don't worship the old gods is because Skyrim is home to many Imperials and other races, so eventually they started to worship the new gods. However, they haven't forgotten the old gods because you can hear them make reference to them.
everytime I climb the "7000" steps Lydia always gets killed by that troll
"Oh! Sorry about your pottery!" XD
It's not like Shor is above other Aedra. Shor/Lorkhan wasn't sole creator, he was the starter of the project but he wasn't above them in power, maybe he was smarter because he managed to trick them but not stronger.
And yes I agree that Nerevar beating Shor is crazy but this wouldn't be the first time mortal defeated a deity, not to mention that deities in TES world incarnate in weaker forms and send down avatars most of the time and never fight at full strength.
I go by uesp but it says that the throat of the world is taller than red mountain
They may do, or they know one but not the other, however, they are the same, whether the Nords recognise that or not. It might be easier to say they fulfil the same role as being the deity that is the God-hero of mankind.