Perhaps it's because I've spent more time in halfslices than anything else, but as a rapidly progressing beginner I have to say the Scorch L makes me feel much more in control, fluid, and connected to the river than the other top creekers I've tried. I'm 6'2, 208, with size 12's. This boat fits like it was moulded around me, and edging is so intuitive with this boat it's incredible.
Nice review. I'm getting older and want to sell my old Recoil and get a more modern, comfortable boat and the Scorch looks like a great option. The river looks great fun!
for sure the scorch is a perfect river running creeker here is a link where to get one if you in USA coloradokayak.com/products/pyranha-scorch?ref=wade&variant=41069491159216
Great review like always I am looking for the Scorch. The problem is that as per manufacturer specs with my 186lbs I am at the very upper end of the M and very low end of the L. Looking at the volume I think the M has enough. I am an intermediate paddler of class 3-4+ doing mostly low volume runs and a lot of boulder rivers. But I also want to unlook the speed of the boat. I do not want to overload it.
Great video Wade ! Boat looks fast / carves great runs like a half slice / half creek boat - be great for some of the bigger stuff over a half slice too. Thanks again brother !
It actually worked out she just ended up with a bruise on hip but I don’t have anything more my sd card was acting up and was only filming In 6 sec at a time very strange I changed cards on the other lap when I seen the error code
It looks like it could also surf ocean waves. The stern is a little like a half slice, without too much rocker and the bow has rocker that would help avoid pearling. The rails would grab the wave and maybe not need so much rudder to avoid side surfing the wave.
Wade - This is now 2 years old - has the current Scorch changed it's design any to change it's characteristics? Also - I come in at 155 lbs . I'm curious as to what your weight is to fit theboat so well.
No change and you are in between sizes on the scorch you can make the M work but will be bigger on you I suggest you look at the JK flow link here👇👇 coloradokayak.com/collections/whitewater-kayaks/products/jackson-kayak-flow-whitewater-kayak?ref=wade
I am about 18 months into my kayak journey, and currently paddle a 9R2 large, weighing 97kg at 6ft 5in. Looking to further my skills with a little more performance without going down the half slice route. Could you give me any type of comparison between the two boats.
The scorch is more polished feel not as fast but a better overall river running boat I paddled the 9r2 some and the scorch is better in everything except speed
I struggled to find any cons to the medium at my weight only thing that kinda stood out was it didn’t like to rub rocks if you watch you can see few times it just came off rock style Boofs little awkward with that rail hanging up in rocks so flare type boofs off rocks could cause some issues but the pros far outweigh that minor issue
@@WadeHarrison I am heading out to Natha in July for SWR training, hoping to demo a few boats, I have been watching you and Alex, for list of possible boats, L series ;), keep it coming, I got reply from Fluid, sounded positive, hope it works out.
Figured it’s worth asking your opinion after your review. I’ve been paddling a Antix 2 for about a year now and feel super confident in it, but I’m looking to get a creeker or a boat for big water. Do you think the scorch would make a good upgrade? I have a older mamba but it feels like a log trying to make it into an eddy. Any suggestions?
Do you think the large “takes care” of you more than the medium? At 5’9 180 lb I’m always at high end of M and low end of L and never know which way to go...
Well normally I would say yes but looks like we are close to the same size and because of the design of the scorch I think you would be better suited for the M the bow rocker and sporty feel at heavier weight really unlocks the features of it but still I’m suggesting try to demo both and let me know what you think I like hearing feedback on this stuff..
If you were 10 lbs lighter which size Scorch would you pick? Been in a medium Code about 8 months, it's great for the shallow stuff and boofing off rocks but for everything else I just wanna go fast and zip around... and ride out past holes, Code cant be hole bait sometimes if youre in a spot where you only have a stroke or two to keep speed
2nd! Thoughts on loading that up for an overnighter? I'm 160lbs but want the ability for an overnighter boat. Still thinking maybe going with the large so its a little more forgiving.
If all your doing is a few overnighters here and there you will be fine but if your one of those that carry’s tons of gear and a lot of weight in the boat you probably like the L more but your way in the bottom end of the L in my opinion
Thanks for posting your review. How would you compare the scorch with 9R II? The scorch obviously surfs better- what are the differences (if you’ve paddled the 9R II) I’m 195 and currently paddling the LG 9R
It’s definitely more sporty feel Then the 9r2 but not as fast and as user friendly as the 9r2 I thought the 9r2 was very predictable and smooth down River and fast the scorch it very aggressive and zippy and has a better rocker profile and that back edge is something have to tune in to truly unlock this kayak and at you weight you will be able to paddle either the medium or Large but 90% sure you will want the large
Hey Wade and thank you for the review, i'm 156lbs and i'm right between the the small and and the medium. which one do you think i should go with ? i'm paddleing for 15 years now, lots of play boat rockstar M, half slice ripper S and looking for something to be very response and dry and fast for big water. what you think please ?
The small is pretty small I would recommend padding out the seat and get the medium I know several paddlers that’s are in the 135-145 range that love that medium. Makes it a true river running creeker that just blast over everything
@@WadeHarrison Thank you ... I bought the L, I weigh 177 pounds and it feels a bit big, but it doesn't bother me. I haven't paddled in big waters yet. you feel the difference in size when playing in the water, surfing, and more
@@climbiker at 177 dude I would recommend give the medium a try at some point I think you will be very surprised how good that boat paddles at your weight
@@WadeHarrisonHey Wade I actually just purchased the large. Tough choice not being able to demo the boat. The medium felt a little tight in leg room. Haven’t paddled it yet so maybe I should return for medium?
M all the way no way your going to want to be in the L at 155 its a big boat that I'm sure some make work but its really big and In the long run you will like the M better I think
That’s the smaller creek boat by lettman I have seen it but there’s really no distribution here in the USA that I’m aware or the paddles are a different story the boats are way harder to get shipped over their boats look good though
@@WadeHarrison That's sad, but, in general, Lettmann has some issues with being visible on the market. Anyways, I had a chance to test this boat, and, although my experience is very limited, it felt very quick and manageable.
I found the the stern is out of the water more and it turns easier. For me, 9r2 feels like it has a longer waterline, rocks on a longer axis, turns slower because the stern is engaged more. Scorch M is the most fun river runner I've ever paddled.
@@WadeHarrison If you can find any AT2 Superlight or any AT2 at all I will buy it! I love mine and they are no longer produced. BTY Scorch Large or medium at 190lbs... advanced paddler, likely keep my Machno for hard creekin
Rexy fan club 🥳🥳. Such a good boat. I've never paddled a braaap, but its what imagine a beefed up braaap would paddle like. Have you seen Adrian mattern's insta story? Looks like exo are working on a new rexy or a L rexy or something, and maybe a new creeker as well. Super exited by exo at the moment. They are doing some great stuff
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Perhaps it's because I've spent more time in halfslices than anything else, but as a rapidly progressing beginner I have to say the Scorch L makes me feel much more in control, fluid, and connected to the river than the other top creekers I've tried. I'm 6'2, 208, with size 12's. This boat fits like it was moulded around me, and edging is so intuitive with this boat it's incredible.
Great feedback back buddy and couldn’t agree more!
Nice review. I'm getting older and want to sell my old Recoil and get a more modern, comfortable boat and the Scorch looks like a great option. The river looks great fun!
for sure the scorch is a perfect river running creeker here is a link where to get one if you in USA coloradokayak.com/products/pyranha-scorch?ref=wade&variant=41069491159216
Are we gonna have to start adding comments about how our creek boats loop to their descriptions now? haha. Looks like you're having a great time!
Not a bad spec to add to all models FYI I’m calling it first air loop in the scorch X 🤫🤫
@@WadeHarrison haha! Man, we've been playing with a pre-production model recently, and if you can loop it, we'll be seriously impressed!!
As always Wade good stuff buddy. Thanks and keep it coming.
Thanks will do my best
A lil crossbow switcheroo-y? I fucking love this guy.
😂 yes got to love it
Great review like always
I am looking for the Scorch. The problem is that as per manufacturer specs with my 186lbs I am at the very upper end of the M and very low end of the L. Looking at the volume I think the M has enough.
I am an intermediate paddler of class 3-4+ doing mostly low volume runs and a lot of boulder rivers.
But I also want to unlook the speed of the boat. I do not want to overload it.
We are the same weight and I paddled both and Prefer the Medium over the Large the scorch is sized bigger so My advice is go Medium
I’m top end of M as well, Im 99% getting M once paddled a demo a couple of times
Great video Wade ! Boat looks fast / carves great runs like a half slice / half creek boat - be great for some of the bigger stuff over a half slice too. Thanks again brother !
Thanks for watching buddy
I wanted to see the outcome of that.... "Jump on the raft !" clip you showed at that waterfall
It actually worked out she just ended up with a bruise on hip but I don’t have anything more my sd card was acting up and was only filming In 6 sec at a time very strange I changed cards on the other lap when I seen the error code
5:36 - That's what i was looking for - Like a half slice! :-)
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Thanks a lot for your help and advice.
Always welcome
High N Dry review 2.0 coming soon..lol...nice review as always!
😂 Yes !!!
Thanks for making it even harder to wait for mine to get here. Haha! Great video as always man.
Thanks for watching let me know what you think when you get it
It looks like it could also surf ocean waves. The stern is a little like a half slice, without too much rocker and the bow has rocker that would help avoid pearling. The rails would grab the wave and maybe not need so much rudder to avoid side surfing the wave.
I have not had it out on surf but it’s not a good surfing creeker on rivers in my experience
Thanks for the review - another great video. The Scorch looks to be ticking a lot of boxes for me.
It’s one of the best boats I have ever reviewed it fits my style of paddling so well
Thanks!
Wow thanks for the super hole bait appreciate that buddy!
Wade - This is now 2 years old - has the current Scorch changed it's design any to change it's characteristics? Also - I come in at 155 lbs . I'm curious as to what your weight is to fit theboat so well.
No change and you are in between sizes on the scorch you can make the M work but will be bigger on you I suggest you look at the JK flow link here👇👇
coloradokayak.com/collections/whitewater-kayaks/products/jackson-kayak-flow-whitewater-kayak?ref=wade
I am about 18 months into my kayak journey, and currently paddle a 9R2 large, weighing 97kg at 6ft 5in. Looking to further my skills with a little more performance without going down the half slice route. Could you give me any type of comparison between the two boats.
The scorch is more polished feel not as fast but a better overall river running boat I paddled the 9r2 some and the scorch is better in everything except speed
Very nice, heard nothing bad about the boat, that one gorgeous river, I like the narrow waters.
I struggled to find any cons to the medium at my weight only thing that kinda stood out was it didn’t like to rub rocks if you watch you can see few times it just came off rock style Boofs little awkward with that rail hanging up in rocks so flare type boofs off rocks could cause some issues but the pros far outweigh that minor issue
@@WadeHarrison I am heading out to Natha in July for SWR training, hoping to demo a few boats, I have been watching you and Alex, for list of possible boats, L series ;), keep it coming, I got reply from Fluid, sounded positive, hope it works out.
I would love to see you do a review of the Phantom. Alex Barham did one a few years ago but I like to get a true southeast perspective.
Yes I have a phantom now so will do a review next few weeks
@@WadeHarrison Awesome! Thank You!
Another excitable fun packed review! I wonder, with regards carving and surfing which is sweeter; this or the waka wee goat?.
i like this over the goat
@@WadeHarrison Thanks Wade. Do you think that is attributed to the narrower hull? And obviously no grabby stern on this...
Nice video once again
Thanks frog
At 5’8 & 150lbs is it better to go up to M or stay with the S?
The small is small I would for sure recommend the M here is a link coloradokayak.com/products/pyranha-scorch?ref=wade&variant=41069491159216
I am getting one next weekend!
Awesome let me know what your think I like hearing what you guys think of the boats I review
Figured it’s worth asking your opinion after your review.
I’ve been paddling a Antix 2 for about a year now and feel super confident in it, but I’m looking to get a creeker or a boat for big water. Do you think the scorch would make a good upgrade? I have a older mamba but it feels like a log trying to make it into an eddy. Any suggestions?
Oh for sure the scorch is amazing on pushing water that’s where it thrives and the Wakas
Do you think the large “takes care” of you more than the medium? At 5’9 180 lb I’m always at high end of M and low end of L and never know which way to go...
Well normally I would say yes but looks like we are close to the same size and because of the design of the scorch I think you would be better suited for the M the bow rocker and sporty feel at heavier weight really unlocks the features of it but still I’m suggesting try to demo both and let me know what you think I like hearing feedback on this stuff..
when is Wade Harrison school of white water coming?
😂 there’s a lot of instructional stuff out there already I will try to do more stuff im the next few weeks I got some video ideas
If you were 10 lbs lighter which size Scorch would you pick? Been in a medium Code about 8 months, it's great for the shallow stuff and boofing off rocks but for everything else I just wanna go fast and zip around... and ride out past holes, Code cant be hole bait sometimes if youre in a spot where you only have a stroke or two to keep speed
I would go medium I’m 175 right now and that thing paddles perfect I would stay in the large even if I was like down to 130 I love a bigger boat
2nd!
Thoughts on loading that up for an overnighter? I'm 160lbs but want the ability for an overnighter boat. Still thinking maybe going with the large so its a little more forgiving.
If all your doing is a few overnighters here and there you will be fine but if your one of those that carry’s tons of gear and a lot of weight in the boat you probably like the L more but your way in the bottom end of the L in my opinion
Great video!
Thanks Judy 😎
Thanks for posting your review. How would you compare the scorch with 9R II? The scorch obviously surfs better- what are the differences (if you’ve paddled the 9R II) I’m 195 and currently paddling the LG 9R
It’s definitely more sporty feel
Then the 9r2 but not as fast and as user friendly as the 9r2 I thought the 9r2 was very predictable and smooth down River and fast the scorch it very aggressive and zippy and has a better rocker profile and that back edge is something have to tune in to truly unlock this kayak and at you weight you will be able to paddle either the medium or Large but 90% sure you will want the large
@@WadeHarrison thanks Wade. I’m gonna demo both the LG and the scorch x. They look like fun boats for sure
@@davids6652 let me know how it goes
Hey Wade and thank you for the review, i'm 156lbs and i'm right between the the small and and the medium. which one do you think i should go with ? i'm paddleing for 15 years now, lots of play boat rockstar M, half slice ripper S and looking for something to be very response and dry and fast for big water. what you think please ?
The small is pretty small I would recommend padding out the seat and get the medium I know several paddlers that’s are in the 135-145 range that love that medium. Makes it a true river running creeker that just blast over everything
Sounds like you are top end of M paddler weight range but love it more than the L.
yeah, I like how the M handles the large was ok at my weight
Hi Wade. One question ... which do you think performs better in large waters, The Scorch M or L?
I have not had the chance to get it in really big water the cheoah had a good flow this day and the medium handle like a champ
@@WadeHarrison Thank you ... I bought the L, I weigh 177 pounds and it feels a bit big, but it doesn't bother me.
I haven't paddled in big waters yet.
you feel the difference in size when playing in the water, surfing, and more
@@climbiker at 177 dude I would recommend give the medium a try at some point I think you will be very surprised how good that boat paddles at your weight
Great video - Production of mediums is hitting now?
Yes the mediums are dropping at dealers now in the USA I know few people that have one now
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Hey wade. I’m 190lbs 5’11” would you recommend the medium or large scorch? Cheers!
Medium we are about the same size and I love the way the medium paddles i would say it’s good to about 215lb
@@WadeHarrisonHey Wade I actually just purchased the large. Tough choice not being able to demo the boat. The medium felt a little tight in leg room. Haven’t paddled it yet so maybe I should return for medium?
What paddle are you using here? You are an amazing kayaker
Thanks you and it’s the lettman extreme
Here’s the review
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@@WadeHarrison Thanks bro. I scored a good deal on craigslist and got a never used brand new dagger phantom for $600!!
Hey wade, i am about 155 lbs and looking for a long term creeker(growing pretty fast). Would you advise the M or L?
M all the way no way your going to want to be in the L at 155 its a big boat that I'm sure some make work but its really big and In the long run you will like the M better I think
@WadeHarrison - you need to do a lettmann rocky review some time!
That’s the smaller creek boat by lettman I have seen it but there’s really no distribution here in the USA that I’m aware or the paddles are a different story the boats are way harder to get shipped over their boats look good though
@@WadeHarrison That's sad, but, in general, Lettmann has some issues with being visible on the market. Anyways, I had a chance to test this boat, and, although my experience is very limited, it felt very quick and manageable.
@@GarySlimson nice where are you located Gary?
there are a few people here in the southeast that have some
@@WadeHarrison Gdańsk, Poland, Europe. It is hard to find Lettmann here too, even though we are neighbouring country ;)
@@GarySlimson wow that’s interesting that right next door and they are very common in Poland
Looking at buying one would you recommend it
not as a beginner type boat but yes I recommend for that intermitted to advance type
@@WadeHarrison ye I have been paddling for 3 years paddle 3/4 comfortably what’s your thoughts
How would you say it paddles compared to a 9r2?
I found the the stern is out of the water more and it turns easier. For me, 9r2 feels like it has a longer waterline, rocks on a longer axis, turns slower because the stern is engaged more. Scorch M is the most fun river runner I've ever paddled.
Agree and Nice feedback thanks earthwisdom!!
hey wade what are your thoughts on the adventure technology at2 super light paddle? cheers
It’s really good all round paddle I go over it in my next podcast that will be dropping if you can find them it’s worth a buy
@@WadeHarrison If you can find any AT2 Superlight or any AT2 at all I will buy it! I love mine and they are no longer produced. BTY Scorch Large or medium at 190lbs... advanced paddler, likely keep my Machno for hard creekin
@@scottdarby7120 yeah forget about finding those if I do I’m buying it and keeping it and go medium
How’s the lettmann holding up?
I have really put it through it’s paces and still very impressed with this paddle holding up great
How do you compare it to the 9r2 with stability?
They feel similar in stability but that’s all they share
What river Wade? Thanks
It’s the Cheoha River in NC
Nice vid as always. I really have to see an "on water review" on exo rexy :-).
I found a guy that has one and reached out to him he lives a few hours away there are only 3 I’m the USA apparently
@@WadeHarrison oh, ok. I knew, that there isn't many of them, but only three in there, Oh boy. Im so stoked to hear your opinion.
Rexy fan club 🥳🥳. Such a good boat. I've never paddled a braaap, but its what imagine a beefed up braaap would paddle like. Have you seen Adrian mattern's insta story? Looks like exo are working on a new rexy or a L rexy or something, and maybe a new creeker as well. Super exited by exo at the moment. They are doing some great stuff
referring my below comment which size do you recommend
Med
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