The Skyrim Secret Bethesda's Still Hiding

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  • Skyrim is a game that left players asking many questions, but perhaps one of The Elder Scrolls 5's greatest mysteries is what happens after The Dark Brotherhood takes down Emperor Titus Mede II. The Dark Brotherhood story in Skyrim, ends with the guild completing a final contract on the emperor and players were left to wonder what would happen next and who would assume the Imperial Throne now. In today's video we'll examine this plot in detail and explain why we really took down the emperor in The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim.
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  • @TheEpicNate315
    @TheEpicNate315  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2261

    Reply to this comment with something funny.

    • @melkorsheir
      @melkorsheir 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1364

      Never should’ve come here

    • @mrsponge1401
      @mrsponge1401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +404

      Someone stole my sweetroll

    • @GlizKhalifa
      @GlizKhalifa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +708

      Fallout 76's launch state

    • @drip231
      @drip231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +133

      No

    • @lolwhat5635
      @lolwhat5635 3 ปีที่แล้ว +122

      I hate elves.

  • @captaincriticize8050
    @captaincriticize8050 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4053

    My wife called me ratchet for taking the emperor's shoes and robes. I mean, where else am I gonna get emperor clothes, right?

    • @alendurr1033
      @alendurr1033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +130

      Yeah, you're right

    • @captaincriticize8050
      @captaincriticize8050 3 ปีที่แล้ว +210

      @@alendurr1033 exactly! Thank you! Although you can obviously get a set from the decoy emperor but time is a little short there

    • @alendurr1033
      @alendurr1033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      @@captaincriticize8050 ye, you're already kinda in a hurry to not die, and it really isn't on your mind atm

    • @adminaccess8713
      @adminaccess8713 3 ปีที่แล้ว +217

      I was the same with the wedding clothes, i needed them!

    • @alendurr1033
      @alendurr1033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@adminaccess8713 of course, can't leave without it

  • @HORRIOR1
    @HORRIOR1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6053

    Honestly I think the Dragonborn should become the next emperor. He could literally just walk into the capital and demand the throne due to divine right, and if anyone tried to stop them... well we all know what happened to Alduin.

    • @sofiathegamer8471
      @sofiathegamer8471 3 ปีที่แล้ว +408

      This needs more likes. This idea is awesome! I would love it if the Dragonborn could just become the Emperor like that

    • @nodosa994
      @nodosa994 3 ปีที่แล้ว +732

      If he is the Dragonborn, then he should very much have a legitimate claim to the throne due to ancient history.

    • @wv1swlamatswl523
      @wv1swlamatswl523 3 ปีที่แล้ว +201

      I don't think it would be quite enough to just be born a Dragonborn, but would also need proof of blood ancestral lineage to the monarchy itself in order to legitimize the claim to the throne and subject to the approval of the council if the family lineage claim could be proven satisfactorily. Otherwise, a civil war amongst the nobilities could ensue over who can or cannot claim the throne...

    • @HORRIOR1
      @HORRIOR1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +482

      @@wv1swlamatswl523 I mean the lore says that the Septim lineage was given the right of being the emperor due to them being linked to Akatosh. Dragonborn has this same link, so thus he is divinely linked to the Septim line.
      Also I doubt civil wars would be too big of a deal, since we did handle the civil war of Skyrim.

    • @artsenor254
      @artsenor254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +278

      Yeah, but you know how it goes. You need the Dragonborn to do something for the Empire, and he's gone to save some random guy in some random ruin to get some random loot.

  • @meyoung001
    @meyoung001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +471

    I just like the way Nate refers to the hit on the Emperor as a "horrifying assassin accident." He makes it sound like the Emperor tripped and fell on an assassin.

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      I was just showing him my knives, and he tripped and fell on them. Totally an accident.

    • @Centurio_Romae
      @Centurio_Romae ปีที่แล้ว +12

      he forgot to tie his shoes smh

    • @Mephilis78
      @Mephilis78 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's not how it happened in your playthrough? Hmm I must be doing something wrong.

    • @DEATHSIMBRACE
      @DEATHSIMBRACE 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He just walked onto my sword officer, I swear!

    • @GenericUsername-qp1ww
      @GenericUsername-qp1ww 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      considering how incompetent of an Emperor he was, I wouldnt rule that out

  • @rehecke7124
    @rehecke7124 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1795

    I like the "Titus assassinated himself" theory because a disgraced emperor abdicating in favor of one of his heirs does nothing to improve faith in the throne but an emperor assassinated *in Skyrim during its rebellion* would do wonders to unify a fracturing society under the imperial banner, regardless of who the heir might be.

    • @_argurios8253
      @_argurios8253 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Yes, but then Titus' last wish doesn't seem all that logical

    • @AhziDahaka
      @AhziDahaka 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@_argurios8253 If the emperor put the hit on himself, then it makes sense to have Amaund--his conspirator--killed to ensure that the truth never comes out.

    • @silverpact1008
      @silverpact1008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +175

      @@_argurios8253 Of course it does, he doesn't want anyone to be able to torture motierre and find out what really happened. And the Thalmor were FAMOUS for torture, even for seemingly useless information about important enemies' childhood or something of that nature. Much less being in skyrim at the time of the Emperor's assassination as one of the most powerful families in Cyrodiil that isn't even Imperial blood.

    • @chasescott1048
      @chasescott1048 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@_argurios8253 tying up loss ends

    • @zacherytobin6434
      @zacherytobin6434 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@_argurios8253 he could have wanted someone else on the throne

  • @emmajay5666
    @emmajay5666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2780

    "Please give me a quick death"
    *dragonborn readies fire spells*

    • @nappa3550
      @nappa3550 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Well, fire does do extra damage if the opponent is already on fire, so it is a rather hasty death.
      At least it aint thunder or frost magic.

    • @esebato24
      @esebato24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +255

      Prepares poisoned coated arrow with paralysis for 4578997668 seconds

    • @At1asTheProto
      @At1asTheProto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Raises claws.

    • @Jammermaker
      @Jammermaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Qff Qff Wbhjob The Spiffing Britt would know lmao

    • @yukiotrue
      @yukiotrue 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Readies the wabbajack

  • @tannerray5014
    @tannerray5014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4326

    One reason I like the theory that the Emperor called a hit on himself is that the book that describes how to contact the Dark Brotherhood can be found in his ship’s bedroom.

    • @scavenger6576
      @scavenger6576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +616

      That should have been in the video, thats a huge clue

    • @whjt
      @whjt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +173

      but why would they have a decoy be killed if he wanted to be killed

    • @tannerray5014
      @tannerray5014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +514

      @@whjt I figure the guard captain guy wouldn't let him go to the tasting and Meade couldn't argue too much without seeming suspicious. The line where he says "And once again I prove [guard captain] the fool." made me think that.

    • @95Bartlett
      @95Bartlett 3 ปีที่แล้ว +179

      I feel like that’s a coincidence. I’ve noticed that locations that are relevant to certain quest lines leave relevant books. Like throughout the main quest “The book of the Dragonborn” can be found in many locations.

    • @brodyselby8406
      @brodyselby8406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      True but why not fake his assassination instead? Live out the rest of his days in the country side rather than die brutally.

  • @duck6674
    @duck6674 2 ปีที่แล้ว +495

    The best Elder Scrolls quote is the Dragonborn to Amaund: “You have opened the door to darkness, little man.”

    • @spurkellz
      @spurkellz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Say fellas, did someone mention the Door to Darkness?

    • @ryans.9684
      @ryans.9684 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I never heard the Dragonborn speak before….only shout…

    • @ryans.9684
      @ryans.9684 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      “YOU HAVE OPENED THE DOOR TO DARKNESS, LITTLE MAN!!!!”

    • @mayravixx25
      @mayravixx25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@spurkellz Gwarsh, I hope donald does something fucking useful for once 😂

    • @spurkellz
      @spurkellz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mayravixx25 TRUE

  • @kayotero.
    @kayotero. ปีที่แล้ว +293

    I think that changes in Motierre's appearance could've been intentional. The guy thought that his plan to take out the Emperor was ruined with the DB, and he had all reasons to think that Penitus Oculatus would come for him next. So, the logical thing to do in this position is to hide. We also know that there's a certain "face sculptor" who lives in the Ragged Flagon, and changing your appearance certainly can help with hiding from the Emperor's intelligence service.

    • @ETurner_UK
      @ETurner_UK ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I totally agree. This is what I believed happen. Why wouldn't you change your appearance so the assassin cannot identify him because he doesn't look the same.

    • @hope-sw9ul
      @hope-sw9ul ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ohhhh that makes so much sense

    • @enbeast8350
      @enbeast8350 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      That makes a lot of sense. But idk why, I kind of like the idea of Motiere sending a body double to get assassinated and I have absolutely no proof of this

    • @TheNephilimofEmpireCity
      @TheNephilimofEmpireCity ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Or it could be a another oxhorn case where their mods fucked up the details and it actually was originally identical with a few changes but the mod screwed that up

    • @slicer2938
      @slicer2938 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@TheNephilimofEmpireCity honestly i never noticed he looked different at all and i play unmodded so its definetly possible they are the same

  • @hazerd2544
    @hazerd2544 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1866

    Emperor: "In my helm, none will know who you are."
    Me: "You really think nobody will notice the emperor suddenly grew a tail?"

    • @deviousman101
      @deviousman101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +195

      This one is good at tricking people, but not that good.

    • @Leto85
      @Leto85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Or loses a beard.

    • @Glomoro
      @Glomoro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      @@Leto85 Suddenly losing a beard is the easy one, it'd be growing way too much more of a beard that would stand out.

    • @Leto85
      @Leto85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Glomoro True. But I imagine emperors with beards seem to be fond of them.

    • @Katie-xd1nt
      @Katie-xd1nt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      If I'm about to fight an army of elves the emporer could be a dragon for all I care

  • @Vampyresdontdodishes
    @Vampyresdontdodishes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2115

    If the Nightmother said the Emperor is dead then I mean, he’s dead. Sithis would know if we were deceived and the Nightmother would tell us.

    • @ultravegeta4940
      @ultravegeta4940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      @Spoods Noodle Doodles lmao

    • @inaciobarbosa9396
      @inaciobarbosa9396 3 ปีที่แล้ว +369

      The nightmother can be less trustful than you think, in oblivion she literally let a traitor destroy the brotherhood even tho she had a listener because she thought they were weak, she may be ubdercovering that too for her own purposes.

    • @robertbadger9118
      @robertbadger9118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      No...
      The Face Changer in the Ragged Flagon

    • @AndrewIHanna
      @AndrewIHanna 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Sithis doesn't even exist as sn entity in the tes universe, the night mother is just boethiah and she lies to the brotherhood at least sometimes

    • @LadyLexyStarwatcher
      @LadyLexyStarwatcher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@inaciobarbosa9396 Yep, that is Mephala for you.

  • @ShakedownDreams
    @ShakedownDreams 2 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    I find it weird that I can walk around in the emperor's clothing and then everyone will just be like "geez I wonder who killed the emperor it's do weird" when I talk to em like hello?? I am wearing the biggest "I killed the emperor it was me" sign on my back lmao

    • @cedricmichaud552
      @cedricmichaud552 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      funny

    • @lmao3911
      @lmao3911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cedricmichaud552 funny

    • @nooternootey9666
      @nooternootey9666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Maybe they are to afraid to say anything, you are the one that killed the literal emperor and all his men on his own boat , not to mention you are the champion of multiple God like beings, the figure head of multiple clans, and have slain the word ender himself, and oh can't forget the armory that you the player probably are with all your magic and weapons, would you want to make somebody like that mad just by saying the wrong thing to him/her.

    • @jameshailerthepostmaster4389
      @jameshailerthepostmaster4389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nooternootey9666 in my playthrough I only killed the Emperor on the boat.

    • @LibraritheWizardOfficial
      @LibraritheWizardOfficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      To be fair, the Emperor's Robes share the exact same model as some other clothes in the game. I was checking out some of the clothes recently in Anniversary Edition while considering giving some extremely rare/unique clothes to my character who is crown princess of Wayrest, and IIRC the model used for Emperor's Robes is just a palette swap of the clothes Jarl Elisif the Fair and the ghost of High King Torygg wear. You would certainly stand out as a noble, but not necessarily as specifically the Emperor. Well, at least as long as nobody with some meta ability to read item names and a certain Pickpocket perk were to examine your inventory...

  • @Yaetora
    @Yaetora 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    "Believe it or not, Astrid will know if we read it before hand"
    Not that hard to believe since the letter was sealed and you had to break the seal to read it...

  • @connorbrown8981
    @connorbrown8981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1588

    The reason why Astrid knows you looked at the note is because it was a sealed note and if you opened it you would have to break the seal

    • @planexshifter
      @planexshifter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +234

      noooooo- I didn't read it... the wax must have gotten warm in my pocket and melted a little.

    • @wesss9353
      @wesss9353 3 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      After a few skooma's I break the seal...

    • @metetural9140
      @metetural9140 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      "Bark bark bark!"
      Watch out ya fool! You nearly broke the Seal!

    • @kaiceecrane3884
      @kaiceecrane3884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      You can reseal notes like that, you just need the same seal, which has already been imprinted on the note itself. You can use that seal to create a mold which can be used to create a proper wax seal and metal one dipped into wax.

    • @HappyWeasl
      @HappyWeasl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I hate you

  • @EnderalRocks
    @EnderalRocks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +543

    If Bethesda doesn't add an npc called "Nate" that tells you a bunch of random facts OR have mai'qq mention some guy named Nate that knows as much as him

    • @arifcso6633
      @arifcso6633 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Nazeem: Have you tried cloud district ?

    • @jamesanthony8438
      @jamesanthony8438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Skald Nate the Epic.... has a nice ring to it. =)

    • @tomread8748
      @tomread8748 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Somebody with modding skills should create this.

    • @SwedishEmpire1700
      @SwedishEmpire1700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Loverslab would have a field day with that NPC.

    • @EnderalRocks
      @EnderalRocks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Luzur you are why this world burns.

  • @JamesReborn2023
    @JamesReborn2023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    18:21
    *has a civil conversation with the emperor,*
    Me “I bet he’ll end him quickly since he’s cool”
    Dragonborn *pulls out fire spells*
    Me “JESUS!!”

    • @Kwauhn.
      @Kwauhn. ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I love how in that clip it cuts to him dead, body smoking on the floor, lmao

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Let's pull out telekinesis and off the emperor by throwing random plunder around.

  • @johnglielmi6428
    @johnglielmi6428 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    My theory for Amaund Motierre's change in appearance is, he visited the Face Sculptor due to a bounty being placed on his head. therefore he's been on the run and needed to hide from the empire.

    • @Daveaintreal
      @Daveaintreal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's what I thought too.

    • @persona8439
      @persona8439 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That explains the missing bodyguard.

    • @nicholashudson6009
      @nicholashudson6009 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I remember right it’s just his nose maybe he got in a fight and it got broken

    • @ModernDayLoki
      @ModernDayLoki 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My theory as well

    • @ever611
      @ever611 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And that's how you are able to track him, the face sculptor is part of the Thieves Guild and they are known to work with the Dark Brotherhood as well

  • @ValensBellator
    @ValensBellator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +537

    The way the emperor behaved when you’re assassinating him definitely made me think this will somehow play a role in the story of the next elder scrolls game.

    • @daltonquilty10
      @daltonquilty10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      You heard it here first I’m calling that the next game will be about the war between the empire and the dominion because the replacement emperor will break the white gold concordant and then when the game is set in an aldmeri setting-I’m leaning valenwood- it will make more sense

    • @hypeninja4786
      @hypeninja4786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      dalton quilty bruh, it’s been all but confirmed that ES6 will be in either High Rock, or Hammerfell.

    • @Vulpori
      @Vulpori 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hypeninja4786 they already have elder scrolls redguard so either high rock or valenwood

    • @p3chv0gel22
      @p3chv0gel22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think (since we had relative big time jumps between each game) it would at least be referrenced in some form in a future Game

    • @Qwerty-xi2zs
      @Qwerty-xi2zs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think he was using the Voice of the Emperor racial ability on you to get revenge on the one who called his hit.

  • @ihavesnacks4186
    @ihavesnacks4186 3 ปีที่แล้ว +628

    Something to keep in mind is that the game files list Amaund as “Chancellor.” That amulet might have been his own.

  • @davidthompson8384
    @davidthompson8384 ปีที่แล้ว +201

    Could it be possible that Rune, the Imperial who is a member of the Thieves Guild, and wears a strange amulet that has a language nobody can read be a Septum who attempted to return, but doesn't remember due to the ship wreck?

    • @brosephbroman7564
      @brosephbroman7564 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Thats a good theory. I have never done the Theives Guild till recently and was wondering about that guy. Nobody knows what the rune means, not even the mages guild. It could be because the rune is in the Akaviri language. Good eye.

    • @-lnsertNameHere-
      @-lnsertNameHere- ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@brosephbroman7564 cornpop was a bad dude

    • @brosephbroman7564
      @brosephbroman7564 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@-lnsertNameHere- And he ran a bunch of bad boys.

    • @-lnsertNameHere-
      @-lnsertNameHere- ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@brosephbroman7564 😂 he sure did

    • @tateranus4365
      @tateranus4365 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I don't think so, seeing as he took the stone to the college of winterhold and they couldn't translate it, and yes we know they likely knew some akavir, the reason is at one point the akavir invaded northern skyrim, and some stayed and founded the blades so yeah, also there were some survivors of the akavir campaign, it might seem like a stretch but consider that we can translate dwemer texts despite them being gone for thousands of years, or as a real world example we can translate even tablets from the summerians that are so old there were still living mammoths when they were written... or carved i dont know the correct term, they were made from pressing a reed into a clay tablet.

  • @Gallade400
    @Gallade400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    11:08 Delvin: "This is an amulet of the Emperor's Elder Council!"
    Sapphire: looks surprised, listens to Delvin's explanation on how difficult it is to even lay your hands on the amulet. She stands up to leave because she couldn't get it for herself anyway.
    Delvin: "Look, it ain't my business to tell the DARK BROTHERHOOD its business..."
    Sapphire to herself: "wait, THE Dark Brotherhood? The Dark Brotherhood is involved in this? Our leader KILLED a member of an Elder Council? I gottta hear this tea."
    Delvin: "BUY? THIS? AN ELDER COUNCIL AMULET??
    Sapphire and Vekel: *surprised pikachu face*

  • @manifestgtr
    @manifestgtr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1527

    I always felt bad about killing Titus...he seemed like a good guy, especially for an emperor of such a world.

    • @Order-si7nd
      @Order-si7nd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Same

    • @nezom6736
      @nezom6736 2 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      You know the feeling you get, like...you heart gets heavier when he just accept the destiny and say he wont fight you

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      He and his family had no right to rule anyway. Going by the lore, it'd be more accurate to say he is committing assisted suicide out of fear of what awaits him at home. Worse, regardless if he hired the hit himself or not he simply surrendered to death, itself a behavior unbecoming of any Emperor, especially one who's lineage came to rule through force.

    • @thewonderfullymadejaraid7015
      @thewonderfullymadejaraid7015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@mattmark94 Huzzah! A man of quality!

    • @sirwaylonthe1st239
      @sirwaylonthe1st239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@mattmark94 same. I also use a mod that allows me to destroy the thieves guild, so my character is a good person with amazing morals. Except with nazeem.

  • @bountybane3714
    @bountybane3714 3 ปีที่แล้ว +662

    What is it with Emperors in Tamriel. Uriel VII was at peace with his imminent death in oblivion and in Skyrim Titus Mede II is too. How depressed are the Emperors ffs.

    • @synthwendigo639
      @synthwendigo639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Likely about as depressed as the old man in the pit from Waterworld.

    • @HummusSpicey
      @HummusSpicey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Synth Wendigo water world?

    • @princeofnerdzz4055
      @princeofnerdzz4055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Justin Chipman.k it’s a movie

    • @JohnDoe-or2qg
      @JohnDoe-or2qg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      When they hear that someone wamts to kill them they say: "My time has come" Like Master Oogway

    • @Jadefire1010
      @Jadefire1010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Probably because they both knew their deaths were coming. Uriel VII saw his death in a vision decades before and probably got done angsting about it. Titus 2's chillness is a bit more notable, though.

  • @kenju2268
    @kenju2268 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    I think the idea of him calling the hit on himself makes perfect sense, as it doesn't just crate a national panic (having the Emperor assassinated while there is a civil war going on) but also because it would be like a wakeup call. All the people who hated Titus would suddenly see what happens when their thinking/wishing comes true, how it throws everything into chaos and just makes things even worse. The majority of people don't think logically or sensibly, but with their emotions, and want nothing more than to have a calm peaceful life. They grumble when things are not the way the want, but when faced with an even worse prospect...well, their opinions change.

    • @ciaranbrk
      @ciaranbrk ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah I think so too it's not just an unpopular emperor who gets killed often time it's the whole family if he planed it to look like the thalmor were in league with the dark brotherhood that may create a wave of national sentiment around Titus's heir.

    • @NoName-mi8js
      @NoName-mi8js ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Except it would, as you said, create fucking national panic and chaos.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The emperor gets assasinated by someone who is literally blessed by Akatosh.
      The last big emperor assasination was on an emperor who was also blessed by Akatosh.
      Almost as if the Mede dynasty kept the throne warm until someone with Talos' might can return to it.

  • @brosephbroman7564
    @brosephbroman7564 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    The Septim in Akavir is a good theory. Because also, the Nerevar went to Akavir as well and never came back. There's something going on there that we aren't being told. And I highly doubt they killed the Nerevar over there. And considering how old Divayth Fyr and other mages have lived, it's plausible the Nerevar is still alive. Hopefully we'll find out when ES:6 comes out.

    • @robertgray1791
      @robertgray1791 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Nerevar + Septim collab? 😳 Imagine them returning to Skyrim riding dragons

    • @brosephbroman7564
      @brosephbroman7564 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@robertgray1791 That would be sick. But them coming back together in general would be badass. The Thalmor would be caught with their pants down and mouth open.

    • @Ogoseaux
      @Ogoseaux 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Likely the Nerevar taught the Tiger King how to turn into dragons and unified the tiger and monkey people against the snake Taiscii Empire. Tosh Raka is likely his protege and he likely ascended to godhood in whatever religion rules over akavir

    • @KonoGufo
      @KonoGufo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Ogoseaux >implying Nerevar didn't become Tosh Raka himself

    • @Fahumsixtysix
      @Fahumsixtysix 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Report: Disaster at Ionith makes it pretty clear just how badly the Empire got bodied at Akavir. I doubt there could be anyone carrying the Septim line alive on that continent. And I always was skeptical of the Nerevarine in Akavir thing, I do not believe that is based on anything deeper than overheard gossip in Oblivion(?)...

  • @matthewroddick9737
    @matthewroddick9737 2 ปีที่แล้ว +171

    Just a reminder, Astrid didn't just ask you to finish killing the Emperor, she turned herself into a makeshift Black Sacrament, which basically binds you to carrying out the assassination by order of the Night Mother.

    • @RavennaRose928
      @RavennaRose928 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I just realized this. Bruh

  • @minifeebas8911
    @minifeebas8911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +685

    there is a third option for the face change: mautierre went to the face sculptor because he plans to stay hidden for some reason

    • @TheMetalChef38
      @TheMetalChef38 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      That's what I thought. :)

    • @odinogle
      @odinogle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Maybe mautierre was a member of the emperor’s council (it was his amulet) then he staged his death and went to the sculptor to change his entire identity.

    • @ghuttsmckenzie4269
      @ghuttsmckenzie4269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I mean if his assassination failed he could've been found out and subsequently executed, so he might've wanted to go to the face sculptor to enter into hiding for his own safety and what better way than to change your face?

    • @kardellious
      @kardellious 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That's if the sculptor can even do NPCs. If he's just player convenient or actually in the world. I personally don't think it was an oversight so either fake person or yeah face sculptor

    • @rennii2078
      @rennii2078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I was thinking the same thing but he did it to not get caught, maybe guilt led him to it is what I was thinking

  • @Scarecrow9black
    @Scarecrow9black 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I like the line about assassins and emperors. It is definitely a reference to the beginning of oblivion and seems to suggest his death would bring about some positive change. It would be interesting to think that this event could usher in some sort of plan to save the kingdom. Loved the video

    • @flamethagod1220
      @flamethagod1220 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fun fact, in oblivion you get to lead 2 emperors to their death. Uriel and Martin both die because you led them somewhere whether its the end of the tunnel or to light the dragonfires.

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I dare say the death of Uriel Septim VII didn't bring about any positive changes.

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@flamethagod1220 Uriel was going to die anyway (the opening narration makes it clear he knows that); Martin's death was an act of self-sacrifice. Either way, the player didn't lead them to it.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Guess what, In Oblivion we see the 2nd to last Septim emperor be assassinated and the last Septim emperor sacrificing himself.
      And in Skyrim we see the last Meme emperor sacrifice himself to an assasin. Who happens to be dragonborn. Like the Septim dynasty.
      It went full circle and we'll see the dragonborn take the throne.

  • @loooongneck
    @loooongneck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    18:25 the comedic timing on this cut was legendary

  • @Balorak146
    @Balorak146 3 ปีที่แล้ว +474

    The thing that immediately tipped me off that there was something especially weird about this was Mede's specific wording:
    "Yes, I must die. And you must deliver the killing blow. It is simply the way it is."
    He didn't say 'I will die', he said 'I ^must^ die.' At that point, I went back over *everything* I'd learned, heard and done over the course of the questline, applied some logic from what I knew of recent Tamrielic history, and came to the conclusion that this sneaky bastard ordered his own assassination in order to put a new emperor on the throne and rally the Empire for the inevitable second war with the Thalmor.
    Of course, it wasn't until Camelworks' video came out in 2018 that I realized that we might have actually met Mede's successor ourselves...I mean, It ^was^ kind of conspicuous that Amound's 'bodyguard' didn't lift a finger to help him when we stuck an arrow in his gob. 'Rexus', in Latin, translates to 'New King'. Then there's Amound's proclamation of 'We had a deal..!' when you kill him. Who says he's speaking to ^us^?
    What I now personally believe is that 'Amound Motierre' is, in fact, not a member of the Elder Council at all, but is in fact a body double himself, presumably a criminal or more specifically a conman promised a pardon to either portray himself as the real Motierre, or is simply playing a character that does not actually exist with the name 'Motierre' picked for him because of the name's history with the Dark Brotherhood and plots and controversy within Cyrodiil. The Amulet you receive is either one crafted for this specific mission by order of the Emperor to give him legitimacy, or it belongs to 'Rexus', the REAL councilmember, possibly even the real Amound Motierre himself, and/or Mede's chosen heir to the throne, who came to Skyrim disguised as 'Motierre's bodyguard in order to make sure he keeps up his end of their 'deal'.
    It certainly adds another layer of intrigue when you think about it, no?

    • @tirtonegoro8368
      @tirtonegoro8368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I find this hard to believe considering i killed rexus after i killed amaund. Like if it wasnt supposed to be done make him essential

    • @lightningbolt1745
      @lightningbolt1745 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      woah

    • @bigsen4327
      @bigsen4327 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The Fish In My Sea true, Bethesda should’ve really thought this through and In the re release make him essential if this is true

    • @mjag2834
      @mjag2834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Drink for the dirty! Food for the Monkey! Skooma for the junkie!

    • @wtrmute
      @wtrmute 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      "New King" in Latin is _Rex Novus,_ genitive _Regis novi._ "Rexus" is a name which superficially resembles _rex_ but is not meaningful: it's like a character who is named "Kung" and asserting his name is clearly related to "king."
      That being said, the second Motierre does look like a patsy when you correctly point out that his own bodyguard does not guard his body...

  • @serlistogiette4168
    @serlistogiette4168 3 ปีที่แล้ว +399

    Well Mehrune's plane is fire and ashland so we can say "Everything was fine in the Empire till the fire nation attacked."

    • @EarlyOwOwl
      @EarlyOwOwl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      This comment needs more likes

    • @npdeathknight
      @npdeathknight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      No one ever expects the Spanish Inq.... Ehm Ehm I mean the Fire nation

    • @serlistogiette4168
      @serlistogiette4168 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@npdeathknight "We are Dagon's finest inq- Erm I mean DREMORA"

    • @Kastor774
      @Kastor774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fire Dimension*

    • @notsae66
      @notsae66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      And when they needed him most, Talos dissapeared.

  • @raavhollywood
    @raavhollywood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Just found this page today. Yes, I'm a grown man, but I love Skyrim lore. I listen to it in my car while driving or even at home whole working out. You Sir, have gained a new subscriber.

    • @LibraritheWizardOfficial
      @LibraritheWizardOfficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You miss out on a lot if you don't see the visuals during these videos, and I definitely don't recommend watching the screen while driving. 💀

    • @FuhkYouTubesMom
      @FuhkYouTubesMom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LibraritheWizardOfficial I do.

  • @voidcanary4180
    @voidcanary4180 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love the conversation we have have with Delvin in this quest. He is such an interesting character and one of the few times we see guilds cross over in Skyrim. It makes since that they would all interact, the Companions, College, Thevies Guild, even the Bards College! All of em..

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว

      And considering that the Dragonborn can become the leader (or at least a leading member) of all of them at the same time, I bet there is room for some more overlap after the story concludes.
      I thought the same about the factions in Fallout 4, we either become leader or a high member in them, at a point where all of them still exist. So it shouldn't be impossible to get them to talk, just like the big round table in Skyrim, where we negotiate a deal to suspend the civil war for a bit and focus on the dragons first.

  • @Mankorra_Gomorrah
    @Mankorra_Gomorrah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    I actually think the Emperor is one of the best written characters in the entire game. He’s far more memorable than almost any follower and genuinely interesting to talk to. I skip through a lot of dialogue but i never skip his. I usually avoid joining the brotherhood specifically because i don’t want to kill him.

    • @EarlyOwOwl
      @EarlyOwOwl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      The encounter with the Emperor was one of my favourite moments in Skyrim. There's something so poetic about a man coming to terms with death and having a friendly chat with his assassin.

    • @jamesanthony8438
      @jamesanthony8438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Loved the voice actor they got to read for him, too. Same guy did Lucien Lachance and Gray Fox in "Oblivion" and Fawkes in "Fallout 3"

    • @jamesanthony8438
      @jamesanthony8438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@EarlyOwOwl I've never skipped his chats and always felt kind of bad about offing him and looting the place afterwards. =(

    • @khajiitkitten5679
      @khajiitkitten5679 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I hear ya! I like him. And I don't like anyone in the Dark Companions OR the Thieves' Guild.

    • @jager8101
      @jager8101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      now if you have inigo then what you said about memorable and followers would be wrong hopefully in the next elder scrolls inigo or his descendants will be cannon

  • @LeHazy
    @LeHazy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    Nate : "Stress isn't going to give you a new pair of ears."
    Van Gogh : ...

  • @kitmoore2493
    @kitmoore2493 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think the reason why Amaud Motierre looks different the second go-round is that he visited the Face Sculptor in Riften. After the plot to kill the Emperor was revealed, Motierre was probably planning to go on the run.

  • @Reedstilt
    @Reedstilt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'm late to the party on this one, but since I had recently been looking up info on the line of succession for the Third Empire for other reasons I did notice something.
    Motierre draws parallels to the assassination of Pelagius I. This assassination is actually ended the founding dynasty of the Septim Empire. Pelagius I had no heirs so Tiber Septim's direct line of descent ended with him. After Pelagius I, the throne passed to Tiber Septim's niece Kintyra, and it's from her that most of the Septim descended (ignoring a Dark Elf dynasty that ruled the Septim empire between 3E 153 - 246.) I tried to find out if there were any notable political shifts between the reign of Pelagius I and Kintyra I, but both are described as having prosperous reigns (albeit a brief one in the case of Pelagius). One thing of note is that Pelagius I is explicitly described as have employed the Underking as an advisor, while Kintyra I has no known connection to the Underking. So maybe the assassination of Titus Mede II isn't so much about getting rid of the person on the throne, but the person behind the throne.
    Also, complete side note, I find it really interesting that there were Dark Elves on the Imperial Throne before there was an Imperial on the throne. Before the Dark Elf reign, it's all Breton emperors. After it's a mix of Nords and Bretons. Uriel Septim VII is the first explicitly Imperial person to be Emperor, though some of his immediate predecessors may have been as well.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Interestingly Cephorus Septim II, the father of Uriel Septin V was considered Nord, while Uriel was Imperial.
      If we go by what UESP claims, we have Tiber (Man), Pelagius (unknown), Kintyra I (unknown), Uriel I (Imperial), Uriel II (Imperial), Pelagius II (Imperial), Antiochus (Imperial), Kintyra II (Imperial), Uriel III (unknown), Cephorus I (unknown), Magnus (Man), Pelagius III (Breton), Katariah (Dunmer), Cassynder (Dunmer/Breton mix), Uriel IV (Dunmer), Cephorus II (Nord), Uriel V (Imperial), Uriel VI (unknown), Morihatha (unknown), Pelagius IV (unknown), Uriel VII (Imperial), and Martin (Imperial)
      So quite a few that married into the dynasty and got the throne themselves after their spouse died.
      To note is that while Uriel I is listed as imperial, his predecessors aren't exactly specified (perhaps because there wasn't much of a distinction at the time)
      Also interesting is that while Kintyra II was imperial, her cousin Uriel III who deposed her, was of unknown race.
      Cephorus II was voted in place of Andorak Septim, who was the son of Uriel IV
      Uriel VII had another illegitimate son besides Martin, who he acknowledged and who served as archbishop and disappeard, but who's body was never identified, leaving the option that the dynasty lives on through that line.

  • @PM-ut6sy
    @PM-ut6sy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +546

    Whoever Amaund Motierre was, he certainly was a very skilled ventriloquist in his dying breath because despite being decapitated he uttered his final words "but we had a deal..."

    • @nephicus339
      @nephicus339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      maybe HE was a decoy!

    • @StiffyLongJohn
      @StiffyLongJohn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Funny af lol

    • @zeropolicy7456
      @zeropolicy7456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      People have been known to be able to talk after decapitation for a few moments. Depends on where on the neck the decapitation happens.

    • @deathbysodomy4124
      @deathbysodomy4124 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@zeropolicy7456 I've heard of the eyes still bein open and looking around after decapitation, but never heard of actual talking after the blade comes down tho, that's pretty damn wicked

    • @wallamazoo01
      @wallamazoo01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@zeropolicy7456 It takes air. Air is in the lungs. Not the neck. But I suppose their vocal cords, if not severed, could weep during rigor mortis.

  • @redacted4909
    @redacted4909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    Imagine going to a well populated city to mourn a person that you probably had no relationship too just to die to a professional assassin posing as a chef that poisoned your food just to realize that he wanted to kill someone else.

    • @tirtonegoro8368
      @tirtonegoro8368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Redacted so it is with emperors and assassins

    • @0025luke
      @0025luke 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not to mention they knew the whole time and just let him die

    • @jessiehogue.
      @jessiehogue. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If they're smart, the guy was simply a convict condemned to death either way, who they offered something - possibly a reduced sentence - in return for acting like the decoy. If he is indeed killed, he was supposed to die anyway. If he survives, no harm no foul.

    • @BlackLiger788
      @BlackLiger788 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      She was his cousin.

    • @thebystander1636
      @thebystander1636 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BlackLiger788 That was a body double, used to setup the Dragonborn, by Astrid. So no, it wasn't the body double's cousin.

  • @AndreiAlcorizaAndreius
    @AndreiAlcorizaAndreius 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    2021 and losing the capacity to fund PC gaming watching these clips brings back memories. Despite the chaos inside the province if skyrim I still find it far more peaceful than being in the real world.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว

      Time to play Skyrim again :D 2021 means 10 years since release.

  • @ONI-GAMI
    @ONI-GAMI 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Few things to keep in mind.
    It is said the item given to you by montier is hand crafted for each member. It is not the same for each member making it even more impossible to replicate or find it unless you killed the person or it was given to you.
    I also somewhat remember hearing specifically that in ESOs brotherhood they keep the montier girl because her family is so powerful and that her family knows what she joined/ has a little bit of pull with the brotherhood. You can find poems and letters directed to her family.

  • @NicoNeko107
    @NicoNeko107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +629

    I always take out Motierre for the Emperor. It is a condemned man’s final wish, he gave a convincing reason, and he asked really nicely.

    • @SebasTian58323
      @SebasTian58323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      I agree. It's the polite thing to do to fulfill the dying wish it a man doomed to die, especially when they're not fighting back and are asking politely

    • @prodsage2719
      @prodsage2719 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Facts i almost didnt kill him

    • @angleofshadow9818
      @angleofshadow9818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      "Upon my honor I do swear undying loyalty to the Emperor." I will always honor my Emperors commands.
      "Yes, I must die. And you must deliver the blow." - Emperor Titus Mede II

    • @OnAChairSitting
      @OnAChairSitting 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@angleofshadow9818 "Yeah, you were in hot water for a bit there but you got a point, I'll let you off the hook for now, Dragonborn. Now hurry up and get me that fort." - General Tullius

    • @titansarepeople1797
      @titansarepeople1797 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Same, the attitude of Motierre is what really sold his own fate tho tbh.

  • @pockethealer3592
    @pockethealer3592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +217

    Me, walks into Solitude wearing emperor's robes: "..."
    Guard: "He killed the emperor!"
    Me, an Imperial Dragonborn: "I am the emperor."

    • @metetural9140
      @metetural9140 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      And so the Dragonborn was executed on orders of the High Chancellor for assassinating the Emperor and trying to usurp the Empire.
      Ulfric reading the newspaper: Ha! Pathetic! I could do it and I'm not even Dragonborn!

    • @darken2417
      @darken2417 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Would have been so great if they made a dlc where you as Dragonborn ride down to the Imperial City on a dragon being followed by the faction you supported in the Civil War and take out Thalmor that are against your rise to the throne.
      Further lets remember that even if the Dragonborn destroys the Dark Brotherhood (most likely scenario) the remaining members may have still found a way to take out Mede II.

    • @narc440
      @narc440 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This gives me “I am the senate” vibes.

    • @salamilid7615
      @salamilid7615 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@metetural9140 proof that being dragonborn aint jack, its all about tonal manipulation

    • @metetural9140
      @metetural9140 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@salamilid7615 I thought it more that "The Dragonborn has no claims to become Emperor, stop circle jerking yourselves."

  • @Vaul.
    @Vaul. ปีที่แล้ว +6

    18:20 the cut from Titus saying “now onto the business at hand” and the magic coming up to a smoldering corpse on the ground makes it more brutal

  • @emmavoid
    @emmavoid ปีที่แล้ว +22

    My guess would be that the Motierre family at some point had an illegitimate child of a Septim emperor- making them potential candidates for the throne if they can prove it. Given how different Motierre seemed in the final scene... who's to say that he didn't pull the same trick as the emperor and send a body-double, allowing him to eventually ascend to the throne?

  • @derrickbarnhart693
    @derrickbarnhart693 3 ปีที่แล้ว +215

    A detail that I noticed when you give Motierre's letter to Astrid: She says something to the effect of "Oh Motierre you naughty naughty boy! Using the Dark Brotherhood to rise above your station."

    • @ktbrunner1862
      @ktbrunner1862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      So maybe he killed a council member, stole his amulet, and arranged the death of current emperor. He wanted to fill the empty seat in the council when the new emperor was elected.

    • @persesonn2604
      @persesonn2604 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@ktbrunner1862 That's assuming he's not a council member himself. After the Oblivion crisis the council briefly took control of the Empire, so that would make any council members the powerfullest people in tamriel if Mede had no children (or if his children were too young to rule)

    • @coddy1111
      @coddy1111 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Astrid doesn't know for sure, she is just guessing at the reason he is using the brotherhood

    • @SuperFirstL
      @SuperFirstL 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The night mother is the one who gives us his name. All hail the glory of sithis

  • @jjverona8249
    @jjverona8249 3 ปีที่แล้ว +387

    For someone who went into the Ragged Flagon, I'm amazed you didn't mention the Face Sculptor. Changing someone's appearance is her entire career.

    • @Deathshadow700
      @Deathshadow700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I know this is an old comment but watching this I was astounded at the oversight of this key detail

    • @mikehunt4265
      @mikehunt4265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I doubt the face changer will be considered cannon or lore friendly in future elder scrolls even if the feature Is in future games

    • @Cyberwaddles
      @Cyberwaddles 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ooh true 🤔

    • @proclamationofthedamned1714
      @proclamationofthedamned1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It makes no sense still. If he's changing his identity its so he can hide how would a different face help him in the Empire

    • @jackel999
      @jackel999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      makes me wonder if the Ragged looking Amon is his true face then? and the first meetings face a disguise to throw off anyone who might've witnessed him entering the crypt? though that's assuming the Face sculptor is considered canon.

  • @McGriddle69
    @McGriddle69 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Anybody else remember Francois Motierre in the oblivion dark brotherhood quest line? It seems that him using the dark brotherhood to fake his death ultimately led to quite a bit of success for him in Skyrim and now 200 years later his descendant is rich and is carrying on the use of the Dark Brotherhood.

    • @djamelthebruh7047
      @djamelthebruh7047 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      well the woman from ESO was notably rich too so I don't think he was the reason the Motierres became rich, matter of fact I believe he was a huge failure in the family because he was broke and had to lend some money

  • @ROFLCOOPgamer
    @ROFLCOOPgamer ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'd propose the possibility that the emperor called the hit on himself, but only to fake his own death without even the dark brotherhood knowing so he could step down as emperor and live out his life in peace (how he manages to survive the hit, I don't know). This would explain why he requests you kill motierre, as it would satisfy sithis and the night mother's policy of dealing in blood; in oblivion, motierre gives his own mother's life for the same reason, only in this case he wouldn't mind the dark brotherhood knowing he's still alive since it's a rather localized issue.

  • @mariecruz5457
    @mariecruz5457 3 ปีที่แล้ว +155

    -"What the heck happened to your ears?!"
    -"I've been under a lot of stress."

    • @CasualQuestion
      @CasualQuestion 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Well, I hear there is this guy in Riften who can change your face.

    • @diekenford3904
      @diekenford3904 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Didn't Little Red Riding Hood also notice the change to ears, nose, and hair? Is Motierre her grandmother?

  • @CanuckBacon
    @CanuckBacon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +358

    "Everything changed..." my mind: when the fire nation attacked!

    • @killerkrok55
      @killerkrok55 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "When the fire nation attacked!....." my mind: A hundred years passed, and my brother and I discovered the new Avatar, an airbender named Aang,....

    • @lexplayzyt902
      @lexplayzyt902 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Tiber Septim shhhhhhhhhhj

    • @BamaPigBows
      @BamaPigBows 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      By Talos my autism just peaked when I read this lol

  • @gartcw9955
    @gartcw9955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I had talked about the two Monties with a friend and we’d come to the conclusion that during development, it would have just been easier to make a second one than reuse the first one we meet, with the in universe explanation being that he got the fantasy equivalent to a facelift in order to throw assassins off his trail.

  • @viridityone3106
    @viridityone3106 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I never noticed before that the emperor asked you to kill the person who hired you for their "treachery"it's weird that he didn't assume that the altmari Dominion wasn't the one that ordered the assassination

    • @GenericProtagonist7
      @GenericProtagonist7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's a fair assumption, I don't think that the Dominion would even bother with the Brotherhood if they wished to slay the emperor, I'm sure they would send their own assassins to do the deed. But it is interesting to think that the emperor himself knew a lot about the plot against him.

  • @wthjwkstjh6736
    @wthjwkstjh6736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    "How is Astrid doin' these days, eh? Tell her to stop by sometime. We can have a drink. Ketchup." 10:43

    • @kaijin713
      @kaijin713 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Imagine the players who don't use subtitles.

    • @SophieHesper
      @SophieHesper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Delvon confirmed to be Ketchup from Animal Crossing

    • @NWolfsson
      @NWolfsson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Delvin Mallory is sans confirmed! Add that to the spaghetti plate of speculations about who is sans!

    • @SophieHesper
      @SophieHesper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@NWolfsson it was already confirmed that Brynjolf was Sans and Mai'iq is Papyrus come on dude get with the times

    • @tzvikrasner6073
      @tzvikrasner6073 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SophieHesper Wait, so Delvon's going to be in the MK11 Kombat Pack 3?

  • @bean_7325
    @bean_7325 3 ปีที่แล้ว +371

    Kill member of the elder council: nono
    Kill emperor: yesyes

    • @jamesanthony8438
      @jamesanthony8438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Don't waste time on the _little_ fish =)

    • @Geeboogobber
      @Geeboogobber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      JoJo meme

    • @joelpierce1453
      @joelpierce1453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      What do you think Delvin thought when he found out the emperor had been assassinated after he gave you credit for that amulet?

    • @jamesanthony8438
      @jamesanthony8438 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joelpierce1453 .oO(Better 'im than me, I say.)

    • @Puddingskin01
      @Puddingskin01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@joelpierce1453 "Wait, those guys KILL people?!"
      Oh Delvin, you adorably dense guy.

  • @angelindenile
    @angelindenile ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I feel that if it is Mede II calling for his own assassination, it isn't just too make his successor look better-- perhaps he wanted to cause mild panic about who called for the assassination. Tying up loose ends by killing motierre like he asks you to do, ensures no one knows-- and since the Great War is still fresh in everyone's memories, perhaps fingers will be pointed at the Aldimari Dominion.

  • @theonlygodofdragons9266
    @theonlygodofdragons9266 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good job on your 800k subs bro I'm so proud.

  • @shinrai6961
    @shinrai6961 3 ปีที่แล้ว +304

    I never noticed that amaund's appearance changed after you killed the emperor. The more you know 😉

    • @ronakino
      @ronakino 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I never noticed, either

    • @marhawkman303
      @marhawkman303 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @Crow Yeah I'm actually wondering if both of them were stand-ins. If the real Motierre is as rich as we think and from the distant land of Cyrodil, then maybe both NPCs are just messengers.

    • @hopegaming867
      @hopegaming867 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@marhawkman303 or he just went to the Flagan and got his facial reconstruction surgery. 😂

    • @17bergman
      @17bergman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Honestly always killed him just after quest updates, so i never knew this

    • @shadysam7161
      @shadysam7161 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hopegaming867 TBF most guards state that she is bad at her job because she apparently butchered their faces, but maybe they didn't pay too much.

  • @fuvet
    @fuvet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +313

    For me, the dude just waited to die in his boat for weeks after the first attempt. I went off to do other storylines and he just wanted to die still and waited

    • @scottlypuff
      @scottlypuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      "the power of depression, baby! lol

  • @Dylansworkshop2018
    @Dylansworkshop2018 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I personally think that one of Emperor Uriel Septim’s sons at least had 1 or more children and survived either being murdered by the Mythic Dawn or leaving their father Martin from Kvatch and living in Skyrim under a different name as Martin never knew that his father was the Emperor. I think it is possible that one of Uriel’s sons had a child and immigrated to Skyrim where 200 years later, we end up playing as a Dragonborn in which the last one was alive 200 years ago. I don’t know if this was Bethesda’s plan for Oblivion and Skyrim but anything is possible.

  • @quinndennis2756
    @quinndennis2756 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i watched this video a while back and now rewatching it explains so much more after ive played the questline

  • @fluffyplatypusgaming1941
    @fluffyplatypusgaming1941 3 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    Funny Story:
    When I first played Skyrim and did the dark Brotherhood Questline seeing the emperor sitting in his desk actual startled me causing me to Kill him with a firebolt before he could talk and request his favour
    so I didn't know you could talk to him until my 2nd playthrough

    • @lavenderscare4995
      @lavenderscare4995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Oh same, I thought he would alert the guards if he saw me and i had a really high sneak score, so I just sort of sniped him as soon as I entered the room before he could talk, lol.

    • @LiamSmithson13
      @LiamSmithson13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      this so funny, litterally lol'd. thank you

    • @brazilnumerouno7902
      @brazilnumerouno7902 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      you saw a door named emperors room and got startled when the emperor was in it

    • @turdburglarsarguewithme
      @turdburglarsarguewithme 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The whole quest was about killing the fucking emperor lmao how could you be startled? That's like saying you stabbed yourself and was surprised when it made an ouch

    • @fluffyplatypusgaming1941
      @fluffyplatypusgaming1941 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      in my defence i was like 14 and I was expecting him to be in his bedroom or something so when I saw him sitting there my brain went into instinct mode and I threw a firebolt at him

  • @brawl145
    @brawl145 3 ปีที่แล้ว +444

    What if Amaund Motierre's facial changes are the result of a fading transformation spell and that he's really a Thalmor deep cover infiltrator sent to destroy the Empire from within?

    • @ghuttsmckenzie4269
      @ghuttsmckenzie4269 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      What about that face changing person in Riften? Hes changed his facial structure and her presence is pretty well known.

    • @ReederOnTheRun
      @ReederOnTheRun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@ghuttsmckenzie4269 That's what I think. It'd be easily accessible to someone like him and he does seem to still have the same voice. It would also explain why he'd so easily part with the Elder Council Amulet (assuming its his) - he never intended to go back to his old life.

    • @thecatfather857
      @thecatfather857 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ghutts McKenzie *She

    • @ghuttsmckenzie4269
      @ghuttsmckenzie4269 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thecatfather857 alright good job for that.

    • @NWolfsson
      @NWolfsson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@ghuttsmckenzie4269 That person is 100% part of the Dawnguard DLC, I personally wouldn't consider her presence canonical on base game content...

  • @lauracollins5815
    @lauracollins5815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    With the Septim bloodline being dragonborn, and the player's character being dragonborn, along with the fact that you never find out where you come from, the akavair theory is entirely possible which would also explain the fact that the dragonborn themselves is of the septim bloodline and you came back from where your predecessor went. So in turn you are aware of the plot on Titus mede II and are there to carry it out on him to claim the throne for the Septim's again?

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Even if the dragonborn is not of the Septim bloodline, they would be the closest to a powerful ruler, blessed by Akatosh, who can bring the empire back to form.

  • @kingscrub3386
    @kingscrub3386 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The whole emperor quest line is one of my favorites and I hope in the 6th installment they continue and maybe conclude the overarching storyline. I hope they don't but there's plenty of space for both expansion and conclusion.

  • @angel__king
    @angel__king 3 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    The emperor is such a badass tbh he was one of my favorite NPCs and I did his dying wish just due to how cool and calm he is. He is one of the only NPCs in Skyrim I’ve felt bad about killing and he only shows up once

    • @S_047
      @S_047 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I felt the same. It's why I obliged his last request.

    • @earthwormbarry8330
      @earthwormbarry8330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I almost want to just leave and let him live... Almost

    • @_d--
      @_d-- 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I punched him to death and then his corpse for a while... The boxing gloves are op.... I need therapy....

    • @Bzuhl
      @Bzuhl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@_d-- Well I was about to say to anyone feeling bad about killing the emperor that german supplexing his head through the wood of his chamber take off the weight a little bit.

    • @John.McMillan
      @John.McMillan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      A man with the courage to face his death should have his last request honoured.

  • @sevastianjavier1325
    @sevastianjavier1325 3 ปีที่แล้ว +415

    Plot Twist: The main protagonist is so drunk on Skooma , he thinks he is a dragonborn

    • @prophetofbeans6781
      @prophetofbeans6781 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      His god-like burps send people reeling across the room

    • @Evaonk
      @Evaonk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Stop watching my game play. (Sips skooma)

    • @nightterror6727
      @nightterror6727 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      When he thinks he's using dragon shouts, he's really just throwing up on people.

    • @katarinabrunk8698
      @katarinabrunk8698 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      😄😅😂😁 I can't stop laughing lol

    • @articusramos808
      @articusramos808 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Khajiit is offended. (Eats 10 bowls of freshly made elsywer fondue and 50 bowls of moon sugar) I demand an apology. Me and my indigo colored friend.... (drinks sleeping tree sap) what?!

  • @lavellebailey2462
    @lavellebailey2462 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I always thought amon probably went to the ragged flagon and got his face changed by the face sculptor after his contract for the emperor was put into motion because I mean if amon is as rich as the game claims as well as his family having connections to the brotherhood for literally hundreds of years in my head cannon he should know about the face sculptor in the thieve guild as well

    • @IchiroFuma
      @IchiroFuma ปีที่แล้ว

      Was my thought while watching the video. Especially if he really was on the Elder council. As brought up in the video, it wouldn't be the first person in his family to fake his death. Getting your face changed after would only make sense.

  • @jubby15
    @jubby15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    TheEpicNate315 i watch your videos everyday man. Your amazing and im very greatfull you take time to do your research and details and all you do! Keep killing it nate!

  • @lennyg1233
    @lennyg1233 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1543

    The emperor is actually extremely chill and kind I kinda regret killing him love looting the cabin tho 😂
    Edit: thanks for all the likes😊👍

    • @xx4444xxDOTexe
      @xx4444xxDOTexe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Ikr my inner thief is in heaven when i get there

    • @EnderalRocks
      @EnderalRocks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Loot the cabin and leave

    • @Oakang
      @Oakang 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      How not to kill the emperor?
      Answer: Never join the dark brother.

    • @teIekid
      @teIekid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Well, he let the Dovah atone for the crime.
      Motierre always ends up poisoned with the jarrir root in my games.

    • @workingstiff0586
      @workingstiff0586 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@Oakang an even better way not to kill the emperor is kill grelod the kind but then when you're in the abandoned Shack and Astrid is sitting on top of the bookcase just kill her with your arrows or spells and then go tell the Imperial legion that you just killed the leader of the Dark Brotherhood

  • @Bonk4Me
    @Bonk4Me 3 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    10:47
    "we can 'ave a drink. Ketchup."
    wow really classy there Delvin.

  • @IshtheStomach
    @IshtheStomach 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Epic Nate content will always keep me coming back even if absent for a spell! One of the best!
    Thanks Nate!

  • @MrSkeletonman69
    @MrSkeletonman69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never stop these cool investigations. You make my daily drive worth it

  • @EarlyOwOwl
    @EarlyOwOwl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    I called Astrid "Mom" during the Dark Brotherhood questline because of how much she scolded me.

    • @Brewtifulteas
      @Brewtifulteas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Well she IS the Matron of a Sanctuary

    • @GanjaMan611
      @GanjaMan611 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This reminds me of Archer

    • @Moose-67
      @Moose-67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don’t think that’s a good thing but ok

    • @mikealpha4169
      @mikealpha4169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      With the right mods she might not become your mom but she can definitely become your mommy if you catch my drift

    • @thechurchoftoddhoward6820
      @thechurchoftoddhoward6820 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mike alpha what mod I want to download it right now for comedy

  • @finnebean
    @finnebean 3 ปีที่แล้ว +581

    Me: Uriel was in Akavir and there's an extremely high chance one of his descendants may be alive you say???
    Rogvir: You were caught trying to cross the border.

    • @Littlemiss_infp
      @Littlemiss_infp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Oof

    • @nadeenabuhalima6365
      @nadeenabuhalima6365 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      BROOOOO THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE DRAGON BLOOD!!! Okay I stan this theory

    • @republikstarfighter3688
      @republikstarfighter3688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I don't think Uriel V survives in Akavir, i think he just gonna get eaten by the tsaeci since he invaded their homeland

    • @cheesehunter6997
      @cheesehunter6997 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      maybe the player has the bloodline of septim

    • @SashaSalvia
      @SashaSalvia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Huh... Never thought of it that way. And the reason why you can be any race is because you take that from your mother. This way your father could be a Septim descendant and your mother could be of any playable race.

  • @conorscriv9386
    @conorscriv9386 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i love these longer vids btw jus so you know buddy gud work keep the lore cannon firing buddy :D

  • @rollanotherj96
    @rollanotherj96 ปีที่แล้ว

    2 years ago my man saying it would be nice to hit 100k subs, now he's over 1mil. Nicely done!

  • @casualgamer8497
    @casualgamer8497 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Me: Saving an old man with some guards when I'm doing a side quest to fetch item.
    Emperor: Now take my armor and go conquer a city for me!
    Me: ???!

    • @bubbles784
      @bubbles784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Me: Alright what awesome loot do I get for this!
      Emperor: You have done me a great service, here is your reward.
      Me: .....

    • @thargs9184
      @thargs9184 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      to have played the story of Elder Scroll Legend..the player is a former Blade..so...

  • @nexeye1
    @nexeye1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I always assumed Motierre was a member of the Elder Council and he was giving you his amulet.

  • @rubio164
    @rubio164 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Me ha encantado el video, estoy aprendiendo lore con tus vídeos, gracias por devolverme las ganas de jugar skyrim

  • @laurasunflora3218
    @laurasunflora3218 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know I'm like two years late to this video, but... I thought I'd leave a constructive comment in case you still read them. I LOVE that you also take Elder Scrolls Online into account for your theories - it seems so difficult to find ES TH-camrs who acknowledges the lore ESO has added. Thank you for creating such cool videos! Hope you're having a good day:)

  • @GarlicNoji
    @GarlicNoji 3 ปีที่แล้ว +587

    1992: 'I wanna be a fireman when I grow up"
    2020: "I wanna be a Elder Scrolls TH-camr when I grow up"

    • @flamingbagofcrisps9157
      @flamingbagofcrisps9157 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      2020: I wanna be alive when I grow up

    • @jmitterii2
      @jmitterii2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      2021 I wanna never had existed.

    • @David-ud9ju
      @David-ud9ju 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is the sad state of the western world. We are pretty much doomed.

    • @Himmyjewett
      @Himmyjewett 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@David-ud9ju sure buddy

    • @ShakedownDreams
      @ShakedownDreams 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@David-ud9ju yeah nah people make good money doing this stuff if they do it right
      And then they also don't have to worry about dying a painful fire death. Y'know like how firemen have to worry about that.

  • @ChristophelusPulps
    @ChristophelusPulps 3 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    Maybe the "real" emperor you kill at the end was another decoy, and his last request was a part of a plan to take out his hidden enemy who set the plot in motion.

    • @GerikKnight76
      @GerikKnight76 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Ohh. I like this.

    • @GenericStatue
      @GenericStatue 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Good theory but I'm pretty sure citizens and guards around Skyrim will mention that he's dead

    • @Deadlyparasite1
      @Deadlyparasite1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      maybe the real emperor are the friends we made along the way ; )

    • @point-five-oh6249
      @point-five-oh6249 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Maybe, but it doesn't exactly fit in with the Oath to join the Imperial Legion. He sounded defeated, unmotivated, like a general that lost his fire when telling you the Oath and doesn't mention Titus Mede II in the Oath, instead referring to just "The Emperor". You would think one of the Imperial Legion's highest officers would know if it was just a decoy or not. It's also interesting that the Titus Mede II on the ship had a totally different voice actor and different dialect than the decoy, one that sounds like nobility instead of a snobby aristocrat. Further, Motierre mentions that the news of the death exploded all over the Empire. The death of an emperor already puts the morale and civil peace at jeopardy, especially considering the Elves almost destroyed the Empire to begin with. Faking the death of a figure that big would cause more problems than it would solve.

    • @cosmic2750
      @cosmic2750 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Maybe, but that doesn't explain the fact that all the Imperial and Stormcloak guards and stuff mention the Emperor's death. Plus, if talking to a guard wearing Penitus Occulatus armor, the guards will mention that 'you're not very good at your job are you?', thus indicating that the Emperor *did* actually die.

  • @StarlightEdith
    @StarlightEdith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    On him having slightly different features, if you spawn the different Ciceros you’ll notice he changes heights throughout the quest line. My guess is Bethesda just made an oopsie

  • @KoyasuNoBara
    @KoyasuNoBara 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those of you suggesting the face sculptor as the reason for Amaud's change in appearance are forgetting something: The face sculptor isn't in the base game, and first showed up in the Dawnguard DLC. But the Dark Brotherhood *is* in the base game. So we need an explanation consistent enough to work for people who got the game when it was first released.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว

      magic!
      And I mean that in the literal, in-universe sense. While the face sculptor is indeed not in the base game, all kinds of magic are.

  • @abudalabashuneba2072
    @abudalabashuneba2072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    on my deathbed 40 years from now
    Nate: The Skyrim Secret Bethesda's Still Hiding

    • @kingofnorthumbria
      @kingofnorthumbria 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      60 years* :) ❤

    • @alibyte
      @alibyte 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kingofnorthumbria 4 years for me i hope

  • @Werrf1
    @Werrf1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I think two things. Firstly, I think the Elder Council has decided that having a bad emperor is worse than having no emperor at all, and that the Empire would be better off with a steward than with a Meade on the throne. After all, Councillor Ocato was probably the best ruler the Empire has had since the loss of the Septims; it's plausible that the Empire would do better by following the Gondor method.
    Secondly, why did he so calmly accept his death at the hands of the Dark Brotherhood? Simple. I think there was a prophecy. Presumably from an Elder Scroll. Just like Uriel Septim VII at the beginning of Oblivion, who knew his death was coming from the moment he saw the player, I think Titus II had a prophecy that he would be killed by the Dark Brotherhood. This is probably why he cancelled his earlier trip to Skyrim in the first place. I think the prophecy stated that he would be killed by the Dark Brotherhood, and that if he tried to avoid it others would die. At first he didn't take it that seriously, so he just cancelled his trip and thought no more of it, but then people started dying. First his cousin, then the Gourmet, then his body double. He decided that he wouldn't let others keep dying in his place, and just came to Solitude to put an end to it.

  • @ninjahound27
    @ninjahound27 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    About the raggedy version of the npc.. maybe it was the face sculptor? That was my first guess. We don’t know what his situation was and maybe that was a necessary decision for him.
    I was always under the impression mede called the assassin on himself but that’s because i wasn’t told any other contexts. It seemed likely at the time but now I think otherwise. I do agree that the assassination would rally up troops for the next emperor, but I think it was someone else.

  • @stone1andonly
    @stone1andonly ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If Motierre suspected that he could be found out, he might have caught wind of the face sculptor in Riften and had his appearance (including the specific structure of his nose) altered. Truth be told, he looks a little more like a Redguard, suggesting he might have had plans for an escape to a place that neither the Empire or any associated authorities (like the Thalmor, for instance) would have expected.
    I would definitely buy into the idea of a Septim returning to resume the bloodline and rule of the Empire, and doing so in secret because they feared the Thalmor might interfere, fearing that a Septim reclaiming the throne might result in a war that the rebuilt Empire wins, thus reinstating the worship of Talos and greatly disempowering the Thalmor in the pursuit of their interests. Remember that the controversy of banning Talos worship is a driving theme of the game, and banning his worship through the White-Gold Concordat was a specific move directed at permanently crippling the Empire at its very core.

  • @thesun5275
    @thesun5275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    I am a firm believer in the "he placed a hit on himself" theory and I think something that is never mentioned but actually MAKES sense.
    He asks you to kill the person who put the hit on him, but if he had requested Amaund Motierre to make the offering, and knew to get the payment started he would have to give up such a unique artifact as an elder council amulet
    Then he knows that Amaund would have to die as to explain how the amulet vanished or wound up being traded around on the black market likely to make its way into the hands of a collector somewhere.

    • @evanabney3659
      @evanabney3659 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Yep, and the "But we had a deal..." that Amaund gasps out with his last dying breath seems to match up pretty well with the idea that the Emperor specifically requested him to conduct this whole affair.

    • @Hustlate
      @Hustlate 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Also in real world history monarch have basically nullified treaties written after death of previous rulers. They reason that the treaty was signed by certain ruler and now that it him/her is gone treaty is no longer valid. Mede ll gets killed by unknown entity and killing the only person who knows (motierre) would be great premise for his successor to nullifie Medes treaty with the thalmor on basis that it was thalmor who orchestrated his assasination, bringing back worship of Talos, uniting Skyrim and empire against thalmor.

    • @troodon1096
      @troodon1096 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, if he put the hit on himself, than killing him is killing the person who put the hit on him. That makes zero sense. He also said it in a way that makes it clear he doesn't know who that is. He never mentions him by name or acts like he knows who it is. I also doubt he'd bother with a decoy if he wants to die anyway, nor would he want you to murder his cousin or quite a few other innocent people you have to kill to get to him. Sorry, not buying it.

    • @ultrakongzilla332
      @ultrakongzilla332 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@troodon1096 Maybe he doesn't mention them by name because, if someone was listening in they would know who it was and he wanted this person killed so that it wouldn't get out that the emperor put out a hit on himself.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cutting off some lose ends. Motiere was practically the only one who actually knew the fine details.
      And the Emperor axing off his cousin and the decoy might be sort of a test to see of the brotherhood really has the guts and skills needed.
      Besides that, getting rid of Vittoria Vici might ensure she and her husband (or their kids) wouldn't take the throne in a coup. Besides that, it might also be useful to put the blame for the assassination on the Stormcloaks (who her husbands family supports) or the Thalmor (that are pretty much universally hated).

  • @hmmmooops
    @hmmmooops 3 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    12:05 what I'm really wondering is how can Delvin live in a bar and still be so god damn thirsty.

    • @usernamehere6259
      @usernamehere6259 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Most underrated joke in this comment section

    • @neonswan1482
      @neonswan1482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Alcahol makes you more thirsty and dehydrated

  • @Epelpaj
    @Epelpaj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My theory about Montie having two different head models, is that the second one is an imposter/decoy. That would mean that it doesn't matter if the Dragonborn kills him, since the real Montie survives no matter what. I suspect Bethesda wants continue this storyline in the next game.

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even more interesting than one of Uriel V. decedents sneaking back onto Tamriel would be they have a massive army and a huge fleet on Akavir, having taken over a substantial part of the continent over time.
    And they did the "Kill the Mede" stuff in advance for their glorious return to Tamriel to prevent any rival dynasty from objecting.
    And after their return, the newly crowned Septim Emperor kicks some elven butt and brings the Empire back to glory.

  • @NRaah
    @NRaah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +451

    I'm just gonna say that Abraham Lincoln wasn't the most liked guy in his time; then he was assassinated and there was an influx of love and respect.

    • @ForeverLaxx
      @ForeverLaxx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      Aye. The man thought he was going to be heralded as a hero for killing Lincoln. The exact opposite happened instead.

    • @belisarius6949
      @belisarius6949 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Theres a difference between not being liked and being so hated that literally everyone wants you dead, even on your own council.

    • @diekenford3904
      @diekenford3904 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      General Lee and many others were fighting for their home, land, and Country/State. Respect can be shown even for those you battle against.

    • @rejvaik00
      @rejvaik00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Agreed. That's politics for you. In 1863 newspapers in the North openly printed stories of wanting a Brutus to deal with Lincoln
      By 1865 the entire mood had changed, and Lincoln wasn't seen as a Caesar and Booth was universally condemned for his actions

    • @randomguy2023
      @randomguy2023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No

  • @JustinSIsTank
    @JustinSIsTank 3 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    It's pretty obvious: Motierre is donning a "Mission: Impossible"-style mask in the post-assassination meeting. As the engineer of the assassination of the Emperor, a significant portion of the Empire's law enforcement/military will be searching for him. If Motierre wishes to remain in Tamriel, he MUST don a new identity.

    • @mystic-malevolence
      @mystic-malevolence 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      You jest, but the Face Sculptor is a canon character.

    • @nataliealphonse4634
      @nataliealphonse4634 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ... why? No one knows he did it other than the dark brotherhood and his "associates" theres no way people could find out about it

    • @essexclass8168
      @essexclass8168 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@nataliealphonse4634 besides the custom crafted Elder Council amulet suddenly up for sale on the black market?
      and even without that a missing Elder/Elder missing his Elder Amulet showing up right after an assassination that would've cost a small fortune to enact is pretty damn suspicious.

    • @emlynselene1096
      @emlynselene1096 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@essexclass8168 He could always claim a thief stole it, and likely just get another one made, and probably some added security to his place of residence. There's nothing to support that, other then that's what I would do. Still, there's the problem of Motierre disappearing from Cyrodil for a couple days.

  • @philsayer2447
    @philsayer2447 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think I could get to sleep without Nate's longform investigation videos...
    One every night. Sorted.

  • @SheosMan117
    @SheosMan117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Ah, it reminds me. There was a mod I enjoyed for classic Skyrim. Return to Helgen. It lets you well, return to Helgen, rebuilt and everything. You could even do various quests, and become the next Emperor. Once you did all of Dark Brotherhood, enough main quest progress, and all that. Oh, and you HAD to take the Imperial side. Sorry Stormcloaks. But hey, you get to address ALL the issues.

  • @ScentSense
    @ScentSense 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Hey Nate! Astrid knows you read the letter because it's initially sealed, and opening it breaks the seal. The image of the item changes in your inventory as well if/when you break it.
    Edit: pretty sure the name changes too

    • @zacharyhawley1693
      @zacharyhawley1693 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Jokes on her I read it and then immediately reloaded.

    • @ScentSense
      @ScentSense 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@zacharyhawley1693 calm down, Satan

    • @mknewlan67
      @mknewlan67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Medellinin lol

    • @goldenknight578
      @goldenknight578 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just blamed it on Cicero.

  • @dslyon26
    @dslyon26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    3:42 "I'd like to hit 800K sometime soon".
    Not even 10 Hours later: 800K! Congrats Dude, you really deserve it!

  • @MP-oh9lt
    @MP-oh9lt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This man has the best lore content of any game. Good made, nice to listen to. Tooop