Remember, whether you're atheist, religious, agnostic or spiritual; don't be a jerk to someone who believes in a thing you don't and don't be a jerk to someone who doesn't believe in something you do.
As an atheist seeing this video pop up: Oh no… The so called "Reddit" genre of atheism is so detrimental and I'm guilty of participating in it in the past.
@@SpellracecarBackwardshonestly, only the parts you hear about are bad. There’s a lot of places where it’s just people sharing an interest and being really chill and a lil goofy There are also a few dumpsterfire cesspools, but where aren’t there?
I call myself an atheist because I actually tried different religions and still don't believe in anything, I can't stand people who make atheism their whole personality
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT THIS!! While I prefer not to be friends with religious people due to bad experiences (I still have religious friends, boyfriend included), I can't stand people who just belittle others for their beliefs. Like everyone thinks their belief is the right one, let's all leave one another alone 😭
Agnosticism and atheism aren't two different belief systems. They describe two different things. Agnosticism is a claim of knowledge. Agnostics (whether theistic or atheistic) do not claim to know whether a higher power exists or not. Atheistm is a claim of belief. Atheists (whether gnostic or agnostic) claim that they do not hold a belief in higher power. The vast majority of people are agnostic. The average theist might believe in a higher power, but they do not claim to know for a fact. The average atheist might not believe in a higher power, but they do not claim to know for a fact. I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe in a higher power and yet I have no factual evidence either way (for the god of the Abrahamic religions, it is definitionally impossible to have empirical evidence proving her existence). Gnostic = Claims to know for a fact. Agnostic = Does not claim to know for a fact. Theist = Claims to believe in a higher power. Atheist = Does not claim to believe in a higher power. Sorry for this tangent. This video is good, but the conflation of "atheist" and "nihilist" rubbed me the wrong way. Edit: The video also conflats "atheist" with "anti-theist" and it conflats "agnostic" with "deist". Anti-theists are people who are morally opposed to religion in all of its forms, and deists are people who believe in a higher power but do not prescribe to any organized religion.
Actually, atheism is a claim of disbelieving in a high power, not believing that there isn't one. Yes, that's two different things, because believing that something doesn't exist is basically "Oh, i guess that might not exist". So it's just claiming that you don't believe it, but you don't exaclty if you are right, it's like an agnostic atheist. Meanwhile disbelieving is like "God obviously doesn't exist". it's like a rejection of the claim of a high power. So atheism is a claim of disbelieving, not believing.
@@leandroblockmango2673 So is it not possible to be agnostic and atheist as OP explained it? or does an Atheist have to be able to/want to prove that there is no god?
@banheezone Not really. You can be agnostic and atheist at the same time. An agnostic atheist Is basically when you don't know if a high power exists or not, but at the same time, you believe that there isn't one. So an agnostic atheist is when you don't know, but you think that it doesn't exist. Someone fully atheists rejects entirely the claim of the existence of a high power.
As an atheist, I still think it’s important to respect other religions and beliefs because while it may not be all that important to ME, it’s still important to a lot of my friends and family, and I respect what they believe
respect should not be given, it should be earned, and I dont see how religion, which has oppressed, k*lled, and abused so many throughout history deserves it.
@@Evan-k You can respect people first, and if they don't respect back you can just ignore them. There is no need for being a silly little jerk to everybody who doesn't respect you by default
From my perspective of being an atheist who was raised somewhat Christian, I think that a lot of this idea of superiority comes from a contrarian mindset. In a society where church and state are becoming less and less separate, I know that it can feel like we are being forced into something we don’t agree with. Christians have more numbers and powers so I believe some Atheist have gotten defensive.
I was never indoctrinated as a child. My parents weren't outspoken atheists, but clearly, they didn't believe. It made me curious, and I ended up reading Old and New Testament, parts of the Quran, the Vedas, and a few texts of far older religions. They all share one major commonality. Lack of any convincing evidence. Atheists have but ONE perspective....a denial of god claims. That's all.
Religion is normally meant to be a good thing (take out all the evil people who take advantage of it) it's normally meant to bring communities together, to raise each other up and feel like you have a purpose. And I'm saying this in spite of my religious trauma. i don't have a religion, but I'm neither atheist nor agonistic, but i still believe if they're not hurting anyone and you have an issue with their beleifs, you're actually the problem.
i mean, thats your belief, i personally believe that while religious outwards appearance is as you describe it, their real purpose is to control, and force people into submission, to give certain few individuals unfathomable political and economical power, while its flowers are left to fight among themselves for scraps. That is to say, while religion has ability to bring community together, its also tears us apart, male versus female, black versus white, and so on, its just inherently made to make those of us beneath them to fight, thats why i personally believe modern religions should be just straight up banned. Surely as species we can do much better religion wise.
Hi, Atheist here. I really hate these extremes of religion, & also hate when people of my own belief undermine others just because they still believe in a deity. Sometimes i do feel somewhat "smarter" because i think that there's really no god while being surrounded by christians & pretending to be one (my south american catholic family would bury me 6ft underground if they found out that i'm no longer a believer), but i brush those thoughts away. Not believing something does not mean you're automatically better than those who do believe in it. I don't like when people of religion force others into believing, so, i don't force people to be atheist. I'll just let people be, & hope that they let me be as well.
If i'm talking with somebody who's a theist about religion, i make sure to listen. If they talk about the afterlife, i won't shut them down by saying "you're delusional" or anything like that. Would i like that to be done to me? Absolutely not. & I also don't do it because i don't like being mean. I want to hear their thoughts, & share mine if i'm comfortable with sharing. Not many people know what i actually think, so, if i'm at school or at home, i'll just.. nod & stay silent, i suppose.
8:00 People who have been raised in a way where faith is their only anchor to staying sane or alive are the exact people who need to be saved from religion. "It's not dogma, it's a source of hope and comfort" it is only a source of hope and comfort because they have been raised in dogma saying that it is
the video makes some valid points about respecting individuals' beliefs and avoiding unnecessary mockery. however, it also presents several flawed arguments, including false equivalences, generalizations, straw men, and oversimplifications. it fails to adequately distinguish between legitimate criticism of ideas and disrespectful mockery, and it downplays the importance of scrutinizing potentially harmful beliefs and practices. while advocating for empathy and understanding is important, it shouldn't come at the cost of critical thinking and the ability to challenge harmful ideas.
Conflating Atheism with nihilism while potentially accurate feels kind of insulting. Not believing in god doesn't mean you don't believe in an afterlife. There are hundreds of thousands of ways an afterlife could exist without a god. I personally don't know or care but some of my friends who are atheist firmly believe there is an afterlife just not what it would look like. I mean my personal favorite example of a godless afterlife is that after death everyone becomes an immortal ghost and so they built a ghost civilization that travels the stars. I don't believe that's what happens but it would be cool if it was.
Also, not believing in an afterlife doesn't make you a nihilist. There are other philosophies that acknowledge you can find meaning in life even though it's temporary, like existentialism and absurdism
She is doing the 'hey atheism hurt everyones feelings so lets call it bad' thing and trying to play both sides. Obviously she isn't going to know shit.
@@insert-name-here6777I thought the video would get better but she made many flawed and seemingly fallacious arguments. Good message but poor presentation.
I usually enjoy your vids. and you have a good point about some atheists (Reddit atheists and the like) being arrogant and snobby. Guilty of the same things we say religious people are guilty of. but you went ahead and made some really sweeping generalizations rather unfairly. Not all Atheists say "There is no God", infact most in my experiences just stay with the stance of "I dont believe the claims that have been made so far". We cannot Prove there is nothing. Usually what we refer to as Gnostic (A knowledge claim relating to being certain) and Agnostic Atheism (The opposite, being uncertain). (also no, not all athiests call anything remotely structured a cult, another sweeping generalisation) I like your vids. And you are absolutely right about some Atheists being snobs. But you also got a good bit wrong here.
But I think that her maybe not knowing that high-lights how large this issue is. This is the general public view of Atheism, because those types of people she described are the loudest voice currently, causing people to only associate it with that.
I know not every atheist calls organized religion as a whole a cult, and I also know not every one of them are snobby douches. But BOY have I met more than my fair share of both! It's definitely alot more than you think, and that's just from me trying to have normal conversations too. I dunno, maybe I'm just really unlucky and just ran into a bunch in my life, and I know to judge a person by their actions and not their beliefs, but my views of Atheists were definitely molded by snobby douches calling my beliefs a cult.
@@Mrhellslayerz Thats fair. we dont control our experiences regarding stuff like this. But i do actually agree with you. those really loud and obnoxious atheists are super annoying and give the rest of us a bad rap. The main thing is how vocal they are, while the rest of us who keep it to ourselves dont say anything unless it comes up, so you wouldnt even know. I agree with you, but it feels like a content creator should do/know better than making pretty muddy comments at a whole group without knowing anything more. Ig thats my issue. It feels like ive been portrayed unfairly
@@maxm.m.7219 Yeah. thats a fair point. The normal Atheists like me and my friends dont say anything about it unless prompted or its relevant, but the loud ones make it known so only they get seen. Like Vegans. But it feels like a content creator should do/know better than to smear an entire group based on the actions of a few. Feels bad faith
@@vfrostbane225 Yeah, ok I see how you feel now. Despite how big Christianity is in America, I feel Christians are either heavily frowned upon by most big-wigs in media, or just generally seen as stupid hillbillies. I know how misrepresentation feels, and I'm sorry for coming off a bit strong in my last comment.
You usually make good takes, and this video did have good aspects to it, but overall this isn’t it. Also, something that really bothered me that really effected the rest of the video is your definitions. The definitions you used on atheism and agnosticism in the first few minutes are very incorrect. Sure, they apply for some people, but you shouldn’t use that explanation to explain these worldviews as a whole. Atheism isn’t automatically nihilism and not all agnostics believe in a God(s) but have a lack of a care for them. That’s only a handful of a large majority of people who believe this. Atheism is just having no or a lack of a belief in a god(s) (this often also include a lack of a belief in religion, however there are religious atheists, like many branches of Buddhism), while agnosticism is saying that you don’t know if there is a god(s). Along with this, agnostics can be atheist or theist along with being agnostic. Atheism also doesn’t equal anti-theism. Anti-theism is the belief that religion isn’t necessary in modern society. This and atheism can go hand in hand, but they aren’t automatically the same. Again, usually you have great takes, and even toxic atheists & anti-theists can bother me as a Hellenic Polytheist, but you could have done so much better on this one. It felt as if it was generalizing all atheists instead of taking a moment to understand where many atheists are coming from and how not all atheists are like this
immediately i got caught up on one thing, which is saying athiests are nihilistic, which comes from a mis-idea of nihilism and maybe athiesm athiests believe there is no higher being (and some believe there is not enough evidence for a higher being, some are agostic athiests who do not believe in evidence for or against higher beings), just because an athiest does not believe in a higher being, doesn't mean they don't find meaning in life (which is nihilistic, nihilists believe there is no meaning to life and thus people should not care), i and other athiests do find meaning in life, there are also athiests which are spiritual and athiests who believe in an afterlife (personally for me, my view on the afterlife is i hope there is one so i ain't forgotten, but won't be mad if their isn't) tldr: athiests aren't inherently nihilistic, and theres confusion of what athiesm is and how varied it actually is
i really do wish people could actually learn the meaning of these terms and talk to people of these terms before they actually talk about these terms, like people do for the other side, a fair discussion is hearing all sides (and all sides as in all kinds, its not black and white, its a damn rainbow) and adjusting to both
an finally, i will just quickly say what agnosticism is agnosticism is the belief that there is not enough evidence for or against a higher being so one can be agnostic while being theist or athiest, agnostic is a descriptor
@moratoryrobin33and the real kicker is the fact that these words do not have objective meaning! And that being agnostic could also mean you believe in a higher power but you don’t hold any claims on its characteristics
@@_Sloppyham but the problem with your claim here is that thse words have much bigger wide-usage, yes words do not have pre-defined meaning, but generally in discussion people should use the common defition or at least a close to verion of it, and the thing is you could probably actually find a term that already means what you stated
@moratoryrobin33 my issue with this is I live in an area (and in many states around me) that use that word the way I described it. So if definitely depends on your audience and people should define their words if there could be confusion. But both definitions are valid even if you consider one to be redundant in some fashion
As an atheist, I've been threatened with eternal torture by dozens...perhaps hundreds of Christians. Some in my own family (in -laws), others complete strangers who know nothing about me. Me? I've threatened precisely ZERO people.
Yeah this video rubbed me the wrong way, atheists don’t argue against religion for no other reason than “feeling superior”, we have very real and grounded criticisms of how religion weaponizes fear as control.
You do understand that this (and the other videos on religion) are against the people who use their belief’s to justify their bad actions and downplay others beliefs, this is not against you, it’s against bad people.
@@skullthunder3181 Yeah, I'm personally no longer atheist because of many unexplainable things that have happened to me, but the problem is always from the human concept of religion. The existence or not of a higher being, an afterlife, etc have nothing to do with the tools created by mankind to manipulate eachother imo
Heavily agree with a lot of the things said in the video! I would like to push back on your definition of agnosticism though: Agnosticism is not necessarily a third option between atheism and theism, as they are not mutually exclusive. One could be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. Agnosticism is merely the belief that theological assumptions, such as the existence of a god, can never be proven false or correct. However someone could still decide they find the arguments by one side more convincing and hold a belief or a disbelief in a god (or an afterlife or other not empirically verifiable claims), while being aware that they cannot be 100% certain. In fact I would argue that most atheists are probably agnostics, though I have no data to back that up. Funnily enough, there is also secular buddhism, which is often referred to as atheist or agnostic buddhism. So someone could be an agnostic atheist buddhist. :) Also I don't think most atheists are nihilists. One can find a lot of meaning in life without believing in a higher power or an afterlife ( in fact I would argue believing this one life is all that you get can make it more meaningful).
The issue I have with religion is that it's like pandora's box. If you're willing to believe something profound without a rationale for it, you'll be far more open to believe other things without evidence.
I remember saying "have you heard the teachings of Jesus Christ?" As a joke and my sister friend/my friends sister said "eRm, HeS nOt ReAl", I wasn't even Christian at the time and I felt irritated
I mean, that person was most likely incorrect too! Certainly is annoying when someone not being Christian blinds them to the fact that not *all* of the Bible is necessarily fiction. Jesus most likely was a person that existed at roughly that period in time, though the jury's still out on the specifics.
I think that you are mistaken with how most atheists actually are less confident in god's existence, it is that they aren't convinced that it exists. They aren't really making a positive assertion that he doesn't exist, but they don't find that the world religions give them enough evidence that they exist. I would call them agnostic atheists, or agnostic deists.
I'm a member of a lesser-known religion and it's always funny when someone makes a statement about "all religions" (christianity) that directly goes against my religion's belief
When it comes to gods and religions, I like to think of the old parable about the blind men and the elephant. "A group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant, had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. The first person, whose hand landed on the trunk, said, "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan. As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant is that which is hard, smooth and like a spear." Some versions even have the men fighting, accusing each other of lying. But the only way for them to find out the truth is to accept that they can only feel part of the whole, and then either trust the others' descriptions, or find out for yourself what they have found. Or, in the words of Ted Lasso; "Be curious, not judgmental."
It is SO IMPORTANT that you made a video on this. I have been harassed by both Atheists and Christians as a Trans Christian. One side is saying that I'm an idiot for believing in God, the other is saying that my existence is a sin. Life is really hard. If everyone could just respect others religions the world would be so much better. Sure, I may talk about my religion, but that doesn't mean I'm pushing it on people. If people disagree, then fine. It says in the Bible that while you should spread the ideas of your religion, you CAN'T push Christianity onto other people! It's a suggestion, letting you know an option exists. NOT something you push on other people.
Who cares? We have zero evidence of anything 'after death' other than a rotting corpse. Where were we before we were born??? We didn't exist. It'll be like that.
I've definitely been guilty of some of this. When I first stopped believing in religion, it was like my worldview had yanked out of my hands and I was left naked, so my first instinct was to be angry and try to tear down religion. Since then, though, I've learned to be a lot more open-minded, and I've learned to hate the harm that religion does without having to hate the entire idea of religion. Being right is no more important than making people around you feel loved and accepted by you.
I have severe religious trauma from growing up in a cult. I am slowly healing that trauma, I have religious friends now (which I never would have considered early in my deconstructing due to how raw said trauma was). I definitely see athiests being insufferable just as much as I saw thiests to be, now that I have processed a lot of that. I have been the insufferable one, and while it is liberating to leave a cult, if you get involved in certain athiest circles, that empowerment goes right to your head and you start looking down on religious people the same way many religious people look down on athiests. It's the same coin, just opposite sides. I also really appreciate you pointing out how harmful calling any structured religion a "cult" is. Having been raised in one, it's hard to get taken seriously as a survivor. Especially since the one I was raised in is slightly more socially acceptable than the hollywood commune idea, and it resembles non-cult religions very closely from the outside. It's hard for people to understand that I performed cult rituals as a child and teenager when their idea of a cult is just the average religious experience. While I am not a fan of organized religion for many reasons, very few of them actually classify as cults. Calling every religion or spirituality a cult only serves to make the athiest feel morally and intellectually superior to thiests, actual victims and survivors be damned.
Hey, can I ask a serious question? I don't mean any harm in asking, but what's it like being in a cult? As a Christian, I've had my fair share of people telling me that there's no difference between a religion and a cult, and I just don't see it. But since you brought it up, I've only ever seen the Hollywood interpretation and I would rather know better to avoid mishaps when talking to Atheists, Christians, or survivors like yourself.
@Mrhellslayerz Members encouraged to report the tiniest social infraction to those in authority, strict limits on how people socialize and who with, weird/inappropriate boundaries with children, financial abuse of the members, etc. Things that seem like I'm just complaining and being dramatic about normal religious things, such as tithes, community activities, etc., but when taken to the extreme, those things can become control tactics very easily. The hollywood interpretation is still a very real thing for many survivors, what I grew up with was not QUITE so extreme, in a lot of ways I still had a very normal childhood, but it was still a high control system that is difficult to leave without issue. Anyone who makes a blanket statement about every religion being a cult isn't actually considering survors, so I wouldn't take their opinions to heart, haha It took a decade for me to realize that wasn't the norm in religious settings. It was pretty hard for me to believe that religion could bring someone joy instead of an overwhelming paranoia and sense of impending doom. I still don't think it's for me, and I still have some religious sore spots, but I have learned to enjoy learning about what people believe and why, and what kind of person they strive to be because of their beliefs. As long as that is striving to be good and kind, that is. As long as compassion, curiosity, and empathy are fundamental parts of you, then no matter what religion (or lack thereof) you follow, you're good in my books
@@entropicElleWow... I didn't know it was that rough. I'm sorry that happened to you, and I hope your path to recovery is smooth. That being said, I feel kind of relieved knowing that there is a distinct difference between the two. Religion is made out of genuine belief while cults only want control. I know my wording may look a bit jank, but I genuinely mean it when I say you helped me through a test of faith just now. Thank you!
Wow... I didn't know it was that rough. I'm sorry you went through that, and I hope your road to recovery is smooth. That being said, I feel knid of relieved to know that there's a distinct difference. Cults only want control while religion is genuine belief. I know my wording may be a bit stiff, but I genuinely mean it when I say you helped me through a test of my faith just now. Thank you!
@Mrhellslayerz I appreciate that deeply. Thank you. Just because I don't believe in the same thing doesn't mean I don't recognize the weight that holds for you. As long as your faith brings you joy and inspires goodness in you (which it sounds like it does), then I am touched to have been part of that for you 💖
Reminds me of this tweet that went something like: "haunted house theme idea: you're trapped in a huanted house with a bunch of guys trying to tell you that the zodiac, tarot etc isn't real."
Great video! I could be totally wrong here, but it feels like the atheist's superiority complex, grandstanding, etc. may also be an effect of the religious trauma they had experienced in their lives, at least in some cases. And they internalized that trauma to the point that once they have exposed themselves to different ideas and interpretations of the world, they use that knowledge as like a sword and shield against others with ideas that don't align with theirs, becoming the same people that traumatized them. Also, that trauma can make it easy for them to misunderstand (or forget) that Christians are not a monolith and are even accepting of people of different faiths and perspectives. It's not an excuse for the superiority complex, but I think it's an explanation.
Hm, depends. Because, this implies that you are superior for not thinking you are superior. So its still you concluding you are superior. Its a paradox.
Thank you so much for this video. As a Muslim who was born and raised in Western Europe and deep in the countryside it was very complicated. Most people in the countryside are already soooo racist and islamophobic but add to that the fact that most of Western Europe is atheist and that whole thing of "We're superior because we follow science and not some imaginary God", it was just so bad. I got mocked all the time for my religion because their racisme was also intertwined with it. The sentiment was that I was a dumb brown person that's inherently dumb because of I'm not white and me being religious was a proof of that. I was told that those were stories for kids and other things like that. The worst part is that they're so ignorant that they didn't know anything about my religion. Amongst the people that mocked me were also some people that didn't believe in God but belived in the afterlife ? Like people mock you for believing that but then you turn around and mock me for believing in that and other stuff as well ? It was pretty bad also because it was so intertwined with the overall racism, bullying and just the fact that I was isolated socially because I didn't "fit in" because I was a WOC, religious, proud of my ethnicity and religion, not a hypocrite, I was a leftist and believed in equality and respect for everyone, etc I just wasn't as vile as most of them and was living my life The double standard in this whole thing is that I was a straight A's student, and the best in every class, and that was the only reason I'd have any social interactions : people faking to be nice with me so that I'd help them with classes or accept to work with them in a group project. So I was the "smart kid" but also the "dumb brown kid" at the same time because I got good grades but I was religious ? I know other religious people in my school also got that whole "We're smarter than you" attitude but if they weren't POC, there wasn't that whole white superiority to it.
The problem is that you were indoctrinated by your PARENTS. They stole your choice and branded you as a Muslim, likely moments after you took your first breath. And you've never bothered to question it since. So who is really to blame? Believing in ANYTHING with no evidence is a slippery slope to being suckered into believing anything at all.
I've only watched up to 3:20 but I do have to say that religion as a whole has hurt a lot of people throughout the years and is a very easy way to create cults and bad influences and discrimination, so shutting down all religion makes perfect sense, bc it help eliminate the pain caused by religious groups and stops people from being naive to them. Of course tho, some are a bit too into it and stop researching and asking questions. The point isn't to disregard the idea of an afterlife, but insead find reasonable proof of it's inexistence. ALTHOUGH I do have to say! If God were real, then it's an evil, sadistic God, as life is too full of hardships and pain to be considered a kind creation, and has to instead be made by someone enjoying the suffering of humans, animals, and life! From this perspective if life is just a random occurrence it makes the suffering feel less personal and insead simply nature. When a tree falls on your car it's aggravating and annoying, but if someone were to do it on purpose it would feel extremely personal and demeaning and hurtful, you would get enraged at them and feel betrayed. Edit: I watched it all by now, my point still stands
I feel like a lot of people mix this up, so I’ll break it down for others. Bad things happen in the world because of *us*. God gave us free will, and sometimes the decisions we make have consequences. If a man were to light a patch of dry grass on fire, and then the fire spreads and burns down a forest, it’s not Gods fault. it’s the man’s for deciding to do that. Another reason, is because it could be for the greater good. Take the civil war for example. People inevitably died while fighting on either side, but in the end we got to abolish slavery! Certain religions also believe that because of the first sin (eve eating from the forbidden tree.) the world is now imperfect and prone to suffering.
I feel like a lot of people mix this up, so I’ll break it down for others. Bad things happen in the world because of **us**. God gave us free will, and sometimes the decisions we make have consequences. If a man were to light a patch of dry grass on fire, and then the fire spreads and burns down a forest, it’s not Gods fault. it’s the man’s for deciding to do that. Another reason, is because it could be for the greater good. Take the civil war for example. People inevitably died while fighting on either side, but in the end we got to abolish slavery. A few religions also believe that because of the original sin (eve eating from the forbidden tree.) the world is now imperfect and prone to suffering
The video isn't saying atheism isn't valid it is critiquing a type of atheism that is directly irritating and pushes their beliefs on others, please watch the remaining part of the video
i feel like if you feel that way about god, you should keep it to yourself. people may find it offensive or hurtful, just like how you find some people belittling you over your own beliefs offensive or hurtful.
Love the video! Honestly, I'm ashamed to look back a few years to middle school, since I definitely fell into the bully category in attacking other religions. I might've had reasons, sure, but they seem quite childish now, and it's nice to have a video really getting me reflecting on how I've changed so far and how much more I still need to change. Thanks!
Referring to the way religion is used it’s worth noting that while religion was used to justify chattel slavery it was also being used by those same slaves to justify their liberation.
I'm atheist and as long as ur not rude and hurt/suppress people I don't care about ur religion and I don't see why anyone should if people want to believe something that isn't hurting people they should be able to believe it
Often being "rude" to religious people is literally just questioning their beliefs. You can't win. The whole "atheists are mean" thing is a way to control.
I appreciate your thoughts on the other side of the theistic coin. I'm an atheist, maybe Satanist with a deeply Christian friend. Although I don't really like Christianity (or its hypocrites), I love my friend deeply and would never try to make her ashamed of her beliefs. I think it's true that atheism comes with its own group of mockers and belittles, just like any religious group. Everyone, no matter their walk of life, should live to care for and respect others.
I've had the displeasure of interacting with (and being..) these kinds of 'Reddit atheists', and sure a lot of it is pretty juvenile, so I get why this video was made, pushing back on the sillier stuff that comes out of there. However, I do feel a slightly deeped dive would have been useful at parts. One thing, for instance, is the terminology. Maybe you use different definitions, and that's alright, but there is a pretty rigid framework of what things like 'agnosticism' and 'atheism' mean in this specific community. For instance, a lot of atheists online will additionally identify as agnostics (Someone who doesn't know whether there is or isn't a god). This is generally used as a kind of show of honesty. "I don't believe in a god, but I don't claim to know whether there is a god"= Agnostic atheism. These aren't contradictory. There are also plenty of agnostic theists in the world. Your use of "Agnostic" is in my opinion slightly closer to something like deism. I also can't really agree on the afterlife thing. Not believeing in an afterlife does, in my opinion, stand on firmer ground than believeing in one. They're not equivalent beliefs. Imagine, for instance, that some random guy out of the blue starts claiming that there's an alien base inside the moon. Technically we don't know whether there is one or not, but not believing in the alien base seems the more reasonable option here. At least until evidence is provided, and really this kind of idea applies to most supernatural claims. They're elaborate ideas, but I can't help but think they ultimately boil down into pure assumptions, and without supporting facts assumptions tend to be of not much worth. They might be right. That's why the lottery exists. It kind of goes back to what you said at the beginning of the video. The universe is so immensely complex and beyond our intuition, that we can't expect some random human to just assume the right thing,
1:16 "Atheists tend to lean into nihilism"? C'mon, girl. I know you're probably used to Gen Z'er, Reddit-style atheism, but damn. That's one terrible broad stroke, you're way better than that.
One thing I'd add is that agnositics can also be just as snooty, arrogant, condescending, and annoying (not accusing this creator of that, mind you, just saying its also a thing). Its something found in almost any group/ideology, unfortunately.
Yeah, anybody who does the 'enlightened centerism' thing are the WORST people on the planet. Often the ONLY decent/moral, fair/just, or constructive way forward strongly favors one side. Also i don't think Shazimei is doing this in any way, misunderstanding terms, repeating misinformation and (deliberate) distortions propagated by those with greatest reach, maybe. Well, yes, but not maliciously nor intentionally. However the core theme/message of telling A-holes to STFU is a good one.
I consider myself agnostic but the second you start believing something that just isn't real the easier it is to sell you things that aren't real. Like idk maybe i'll be less cynical about faith when people stop murdering in the name of it and using holy texts as justifications to trample on human rights, i'm not going to be an ass to people about their faiths but i will absolutely be guarded about what i share with them if treating people like me like shit is something that is not just frequent but expected in their faith. It is different than the average kind of bigotry when the person believes it's justified by something divine.
If you're really that interested in faith than look at the faith itself, not it's followers. In fact one of the main tenets of most religion is that people are flawed and evil, wouldn't make sense if that didn't apply to religious people as well. It's a journey to overcome that.
These tiktokers are completely missing that you can both talk about religion, spirituality, and belief while also being an atheist. They act like their crystal spiritual friends are an issue, like if that’s the case then you need to find other like minded atheist friends. Ngl, it sounds shitty to be stick in an atheist vacuum, but if that’s ur goal… it’s suck ass if I couldn’t talk about literally anything with my friends. Wym I can’t tell u about the natural magick book im reading?
As a cult survivor currently in the process of escaping (exjw), it infuriates me to no end when people say all religions are cults. Like, no, THEY ARE NOT. Im not gonna get too deep into it, but there's a massive difference between having an awkward Thanksgiving bc the overly religious grandma can't shut up about jesus for five minutes (even when everyone told her not to), and knowing that if you ask too many questions or disagree with the religious teachings you will be abandoned and considered dead by all your believeing loved ones for the rest of your life. :l
An issue I've had with atheists, as an atheist, is the rejection of any discussion around an afterlife, note, I don't believe in an afterlife, not in the traditional sense at least, but the rigidity and lack of curiosity about what's next can bother me. I don't mind religious people, where I draw the line is when people use their religion for bigotry such as homophobia as that can directly harm others. But hey, believe whatever you want in my eyes, have fun, don't hurt anyone, and that's really about all you need to do.
I think the lack of discussion stems from how the afterlife is all speculative. There could be one, there might not be one; it’s impossible to know since there is no evidence for the afterlife. I see the concept of an afterlife as over emphasizing the human species, unless the afterlife also includes unicellular organisms or flies… Seriously discussing the afterlife also feels like a waste of time because there is no conclusive answer. Entertaining the idea can be beneficial and thought provoking. Either way it doesnt really matter if one believes in an afterlife or not, so I wouldnt really discuss it or care what someone believes. The belief in an afterlife can be comforting and healthy for the mind. I perceive the lack of an afterlife as a sign to make the most of my one life. Belief can be beneficial both ways. I sympathize with how the rigidity and close mindedness can be annoying. While I personally am not curious about the afterlife, i enjoy incorporating the concept creatively when writing. I really vibe with your concluding sentence!
@Inferno_Chuck most things dont have a conclusive answer, whether they be about science, philosophy, or the human condition. Sure, it's speculative, I'd argue a lot of things are speculative, lots of physics is speculative(for example, what's past the event horizon of a black hole?) But that's why we ask them, because it allows us to think, rationally and creatively. I think avoiding this discussion based on "its speculative, there is no answer" is silly at best, because nothing in philosophy has a concrete answer. And maybe it is a waste of time, I'd argue you writing this was a waste of time, me writing this is a waste of time, being alive is a waste of time. I'd argue in fact, that's speculation is not just a good use of our time, but something we ought to do. You know who Maxwell was yes? Well, he had speculated that, there existed a form of light, with a wavelength longer than infrared, and about 20 years later he was shown to be correct. Speculation can lead to discovery, artistry, or creation. When you accept an answer as true without really questioning it, it can lead to that creativity being destroyed, questioning our existence, our being, it's how we explore those uncomfortable reaches of the mind.
My main point with the "there is no such thing as an afterlife" is that I do think it's a different type of claim than most religious claims. Like, yes, it is a claim that a person doesn't know for a fact is true. However, it's a pretty reasonable thing to believe as a default, considering we understand that our personalities and experiences of life are all based on our brains, and we know for a fact that brains stop working after death. An afterlife requires a soul completely separate from the brain, which is a really weird proposition that creates a whole other line of questioning. I'm still not telling religious people there is no god, or that there is no afterlife, or whatever else. But I do believe that people *should* make decisions based on logic (with emotion in consideration) rather than faith because of the baggage faith can come with. Like, I think it's super neat that an old friend of mine is happy right now, having delved really deep into Christianity. However, I don't especially like that that friend now constantly posts bible quotes including really problematic ones about women not wearing men's clothing and submission and all that. Especially given this friend is bisexual and I know her fiance was abusive to her in the past: it really scares me knowing that she's in deep with a religion that she thinks wants her to submit to her husband's wishes, when said future-husband has SAed her in the past. And you can say that's not a problem with Christianity itself, but the verses are right there. I don't think religion causes the world's problems, but I do think it causes some. I've been in mental hospitals, and I've met people with religious psychosis or related disorders. Which becomes really difficult to diagnose when it's completely normal to say "yeah I talk to God."
I wouldn't say it causes the world's problems either, but I'd definitely say it makes them worse whenever involved. How do you reason with someone when they are convinced that their ideas or actions are mandated by some sort of god that is unchallengeable by definition? As I see it, I won't force anything onto anyone who isn't causing active harm, but even when I grant that religion is helpful to someone I don't see how it is the best way when it comes with so much baggage.
this is the best channel on youtube, and if not best in the rant/ commentary genre. A GENUINLY non-biased opinion who researches their ponts posts interesting videos that are intelectual and argue instead of fight for the point. and not adding too much personal opinion and emotion but not keeping it robotic? how? mgenuinly amazing videos keep uploading and i hope that you become much much much more popular.
I've basically been an atheist my entire life, but I've grown up with religious grandparents. I think religion has a place in our world. I am unsure in my own beliefs, but I think I still challenge people on when they're being bigoted. I have a friend who is very homophobic and Christian, and I try to explain to them why they shouldn't be homophobic because there's many other Christians who aren't homophobic.
There ARE ways to fight against "christians" without being a reddit atheist. You can counter a lot of conservative arguments against being gay by bringing up the fact that Jesus saved an adulterer from being stoned to death by reflecting the crowd's sins to them. And despite being the only one qualified to do so, he just simply told her not to do it again. If something as terrible as cheating can be forgiven, the more trivial sins can be too, right? Hell, being gay is another form of being born into sin. Literally everyone is born into sin. Being a perfect saint is literally impossible, so the next best thing to do is to do right by God and your peers in the ways that you're able to, right?
Not all ideas are created equal. Reality is important. Truth is important even if it hurts. Logic, reasoning, and science are important. Atheism simply has stronger backing than christianity, islam or any other of the main religions. It isn't being a jerk or a "reddit atheist" to point out the hard truth that religion is not true.
no as an atheist i think you should just let people believe in things that help them and aren't harmful to them or others around them. really no one knows what'll happen after death
@@shadowyct 1. This is an extreme thing to say. We live in a post-truth world where people do not believe in big bang, vaccines, evolution, climate change, etc. Part of this is because there is a ridiculous idea that truth doesn't exist , that everybody knows what they are talking about and that all ideas are created equal . By saying "people believe in things that help them and aren't harmful to them or others around them" you are directly playing into a culture that disregards reasoning, evidence, and scientific thinking. Feels over reals is an extremely dangerous idea. 2. Something can be wrong based on principles even if it doesn't directly hurt someone. Being a peeping tom who doesn't get caught doesn't hurt anyone, but is a disgusting thing to do because it violates consent. Principles, and virtues should be taken into account in ethical behavior instead of reducing all morals to consequences. Believing in the flat earth might not hurt anyone, but it is still something people should not do even though that belief can be comforting. According to your logic round-earth denialism is ok. Ridiculous.
As an atheist, I’m so so so sorry for everyone who acts like this. Like literally why does it even affect you?? Just let people believe what they want as long as it isn’t hurtful.
I feel like a lot of the Atheists who think they’re better have this mindset or experience come from the anti-intellectualism that has been pushed in a lot of modern Christianity, especially with Evangelicals. A lot of modern Christianity has become “don’t question, just believe”-even though Christianity ENCOURAGES you to question everything and still return to the Truth. I’m heavily religious, and i am a skeptic. I have studied all major belief systems, and as many branches of Christianity as possible. I think people SHOULD do this. Blind belief will never get you anywhere. I’m from the Bible Belt-i can confirm that so many Christians are *very* against learning things, and its super sad. Nobody writes 7000 page theology books anymore, nobody preaches complicated theological sermons anymore, nobody’s properly Catechized anymore…and its our fault! Even in the Catholic Church, which used to be FILLED with intellectuals! So many of the GREATEST ones came from the Church! I thank you SO MUCH for bringing up the relationship with religion and science !!! So many Catholic priests were scientists and the Catholic Church has probably done more for science than any other religion (although Islam is definitely a close second) and debatably institution. The old Catholic Catechisms also teach that Catholics are supposed to believe ALL science unless it goes directly against your religion. Also!! You mentioned Halloween- Halloween is a Catholic holiday (Hallowtide, a 3 day span which includes All Hallows Eve, All Saint’s Day, and All Soul’s Day) and i celebrate it and think all Christians should. :3 i also believe in ghosts but…uhh a lot of people will disagree with me there.
I'm an atheist, raised atheist, and I have a hard time respecting most religions altogether. I can't bring myself to respect Hinduism, Islam, and Christianity, for example, because of the innately harmful beliefs. You can't separate them from the religion when the majority supports it. The mere idea of "sin" or the explicit discrimination against certain people groups in these faiths is enough for me to think they're harmful. Seeking converts in the case of Christianity and Islam, so much so that non-believers are heavily censored in some societies. I'm not against a vague spirituality or deism -- believe in a higher power or afterlife, that's fine by me. I'm against this idea of claiming to understand what an all-powerful god wants. Not to mention the actions of Christians and Muslims throughout history and today. Additionally, most morals derived through religion have secular means to realize them, that predate modern religion altogether. I'm an existentialist, secular philosophies are often more ethical than theistic ones. Sorry, long tangent here.
This doesn't mean I agree with harming Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc... I'm more than happy to engage with them, but I'm not gonna suck up to their beliefs that preach I'd end up in hell, or that I possess some unquantifiable essence such as "sin". I'll admit my bias as a lifelong atheist, a student studying natural sciences, and a transgender person.
I loved this video and fully agree with what your saying. People should be able to believe in what they want without belittlement for their choice. As long as they do it safely and aren’t harming anyone they should be able to practice whatever they believe in. Also with your point about the hammer analogy I agree. It’s the people who exploit religion to be malicious and distasteful who are a bigger problem not the religion itself. Your friend sounds really cool for the tarot card stuff I haven’t got the chance to ever learn about tarot cards but they sound cool. I’ll end my comment with a general statement to everyone by saying everyone should feel safe to practice their beliefs and no one is wrong for having a belief that doesn’t line up with yours.
I'm atheist and raised atheist, and I find it so weird how atheists mock religion. like i get irritated at all of the christian stuff i see here, but i wouldn't go up to someone and tell them their faith isnt real lol!! can we all just respect eachother please i feel like agnostics are USUALLY the nicest
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I'm an atheist, and my philosophy about spirituality is that as long as it's not harming anyone, do whatever the hell you want. I do find some of it a little cringe, but it's the kinda thing I just keep to myself. You shouldn't try to force your religious beliefs on others, and that includes the lack of any.
Good video overall :), I think you used a strawman argument or two when implying atheists think the only problem with the world is religion which varies from person to person so maybe it’s just the type of person you were talking about. I broadly agree with your points about atheists often being uncaring to the human experience. Nevertheless The dangers with even a person safely practicing religion in private are less pronounced than with full on organised religion, however as an atheist with a coherent moral framework the answer to me is simple: religion, regardless of its organisational structure creates a framework for morality and society not based in reality. As an atheist it is important to me that people base their moral frameworks and values on the material world. Rather than using religious text as a framework for morality they should be looking into what creates and what minimises suffering and what creates happiness rather than what will get them to heaven. Focusing on the afterlife in my opinion leads to a devaluation or an overvaluation of the material life because the afterlife is for eternity what happens here either matters so much the tiniest sin will lead to hell or so little that we can let the world burn so we may acquire salvation in heaven, a lot of Christian’s constantly predict the rapture and others have immense anxiety over going to hell. Regardless of the religion the valuation of the material world and our life’s is changed (it varies a lot so this argument is mainly against Christianity cause I know more about it) and often it is made less, that is why I believe it is important to challenge the belief of even those who practice religion quietly because I believe it gives or permits them a morality that is less based in reality, and if applied when voting or interpersonally, will lead to worse outcomes. This is not the only reason I have for wanting people to not follow religion but I think this is a pretty solid argument alone. I agree An issue with many atheists is that they (though I’ve done this a bit myself in the past) tend to tear into religion without reason other than “it’s bad/wrong”, they simply do it for the sake of feeling smarter than people who believe in religion and i think that is a big part of the problem. Additionally Without their own philosophical framework to fill the hole of religion they won’t really get anywhere. Religion needs a replacement in the lives of many people, for instance you spoke about the comfort many people get from their spirituality. I have my own philosophies and opinions on reality but I’ve yapped long enough, the point is that the type of atheist you’re complaining about doesn’t really argue for their view of the world and is just belittling religion rather than displaying why you should follow a different set of values that will bring you the same meaning as religion.
I'm atheist, though sometimes atheistic Satanism seems cool and I feel like it aligns with my beliefs, and I found witchcraft and I think it's pretty neat and I might be a baby witch. Though I still consider myself a science and logic-oriented person. But I don't go around insulting other religious or spiritual beliefs. I actually think some are pretty interesting.
I'm catholic, and I believe that religion and atheism, as well as everything in between, are good. But they are unable to flourish in an environment that fosters hostility and tribalism. No religious person truly understands their faith if they see freedom of belief as an attack on their faith. Likewise, no atheist person can enjoy life if they are scared that every religion will develop into a societal cancer and cause World War 3. Many leaders have worked hard to build this notion that it's "us vs them" or that "we are under attack", and it genuinely harms our brains. Live your life, have some compassion, and always keep in mind that it could be you on the receiving end of the words you direct to others.
As someone who isn’t religious but prefers not to put a label on it, these people are why. I don’t wanna be associated with people who go after others for being religious or even existing and practicing their faith in peace. I think religion can be a beautiful thing (key word CAN be) and I’ve know people changed for the better due to their faith. It’s okay to not believe in a god or whatever but I don’t think you should make it everyone else’s problem. My whole rule is as long as you aren’t hurting anyone or yourself I don’t see a problem and these atheist are clearly hurting people telling others that their religion is a fraud. Let people live, if you can find something that makes life worth living I think that’s wonderful
This video really highlights how pooly thought out your opinions can be. So many sweeping generalizations, fallcies, and straight up untruths. We're in a time where we should be smart enough to separate well researched videos from opinion pieces like this one. Pointing at a loud minority and making generalizations is genuinely very scummy. Makes me wonder what other uninformed points were brought up in older videos here. Either way, easily deserves an unsub.
As an atheist, this is super based. I dislike Christianity because of the effects it had on old Norse culture, the effects it has on young impressionable men when used as moral high ground, and the lording of some *specific* Christians as a holier than thou argument. But I strongly disagree with hating all Christianity non discriminatly. Also it took me until this video to realize the text says “ me talking” and not “metal king”
I actually have the opposite stance. I respect the people and so don't go up just to belittle them or belittle them at all. I only give my arguments when asked or if I see harmful behaviors being justified by religion. However, religion itself isn't something I can just say I'm cool with. There are just too many ideas that are unhelpful at best and harmful at worst that come from religion and religious practices. Just for clarity sake, I am being a bit hyperbolic when I say religion is never useful/helpful. Rather that even when it is there were other solutions that don't come with the baggage that religion does.
@ I agree with you that religion does have a lot of unnecessary/harmful practices, and I understand not being okay with religion, but I think the core idea of creating community through morals is not that bad of a concept. 100% a lot of religious authority figures have and do manipulate others to gain power, be it financial gain or social standing (ex mega church pastors) and that is awful
@@arnavkhare-p2m Giving the benefit of the doubt, yes, the idea of religion can be a tool to achieve those things. However A) No, the harm doesn't come from just those individuals. Besides the fact that other individuals ALREADY baked problems into the founding principles and ideas as time goes on (blasphemy, for example), just the idea of a "higher power" meddling is already a can of ethical worms. Especially as there will always be individuals that WILL let that do the thinking for them. Instead a system that discourages that would be ideal and isn't unrealistic. B) There are just better tools to do that that don't make claims that can't be backed up, and that you don't end up in situations where you can't reason with someone because they think a higher entity has commanded it. Plus all the other problems that people have spent years trying to argue about religion. I don't think we'll ever have a fool proof system, but we certainly can and should strive for a better a concept(s) to make morals and laws around.
I am atheist and am glad this does get called out. Like all groups, there’s bigots that are louder than others that misrepresent the whole. I have met many kind Christians despite my strong beliefs being against their own. Some Christians or Muslims have their own bigoted ideas that maybe I never gave god the chance or maybe I wasn’t a believer anyway. Because apparently no one in their right mind would discover god and abandon him right? But nonetheless, religion is something personal. It’s natural for humans to question the world around us, some have come to the conclusion of monotheistic gods, polytheistic, or a plethora of others. I truly do not care if someone is religious. It’s another thing to force someone to believe in it. And I do engage in blasphemy from time to time. I’m not going to respect any ‘God’ that has been the reason for mindless bloodshed, misogyny/femicide, or anything else that hurts mankind. I have strong opinions on organized religions because often in general, it can cause more harm than good as shown in history. People should keep their beliefs to themselves, your personal religion has no sovereignty or autonomy over any other human being than their own
The problem with religion is when people replace it with science. But yeah if someone is on their death bed or is struggling in life maybe telling them “gods not real” isn’t okay in any way.
how is replacing religion with science a bad thing? science is objective fact. Yeah, don't be a dick about what others believe, but if we're talking about proven science and you think its not true because of religion, you're just wrong. Theres a difference between an atheist saying science proves god isn't real (it doesn't) and science proving that evolution is real (it does). You can be religious or spiritual and still observe objective scientific fact.
This is actually so true😭 as an unproud atheist with a superiority complex im very weird abt religion. I like to say that i accept all religion but i hold prejudice against some christian ppl based on stereotypes and uhmmm THOSE conservatives (im an lgbtq+ teen). As much as i try to keep my mind open i think some organized religion and their rules are stupid and i js dont rlly like it. Ik im hypocritical by saying i support religion but also kinda hate on it and i dont have an excuse for it except that im lwk a hater. Its not something im proud of but idk anymore. I mean i have a very religious grandma and i love and respect her so so much but idk how to feel abt her christianity. Ig as long as someones not pushing their religion onto me and/or using it to defend some goofy ahh beliefs (like gay ppl suck and abortion is murder) then im chill with it.
This is so real. I respect all religions, but if I encounter a hardcore Christian I'm a bit skeptical and nervous about whether they're a cool regular Christian or a bigot. It sucks that so many Christians turn out to be bigots, because I really don't want to associate that religion with bigotry.
i find it hard to say i respect all religions. like, no, i don't respect the base forms of the main 3 Abrahamic religions. they're awful, and people who follow them by the book are awful. they treat anyone who 'steps out of line' like shit. i can't bring myself to respect that. i respect a very specific type of religious person. namely, one that doesn't force their beliefs on others when they did not ask (too many of them fail to not do this). they don't respect my beliefs, why should i respect theirs?
@BaofuTheCanonicalPersonaHater I don't respect religions AT ALL but I definitely respect people. If my friend is happy being Christian and not hurting anyone in any way, I low it and let them have fun.
as an atheist, believe in what you want. why should *I* care about you going to church?- evolution is much more likely imo, but I'd love to have a lovely discussion ab why I believe so, and for you to tell me more ab what you believe ^^ Edit: I also do christian traditions like going to church for easter, christmas, stuff like that (because it's fun and why should you overthink ab every holiday when it's a reason to be happy??-)
I put Atheists with a superiority complex on the same level of annoying as people who force their religion on others. It's possible to believe what you want without being a jerk about it.
4:55 beliefs, but also interests. People are so mean for no reason when a person has a hobby they find cringy or something. Like why do you feel the need to diss something the moment someone says they’re passionate about it?
I guess it’s like watching flat earthers… or antivaxers… or people who litter. Sure, that one person won’t hurt others… but when so many people start acting on that then things get messy and do hurt and hinder others. I guess believe in the tooth fairy if you want… but that does make it real… I love fiction, I love learning about fantastical worlds and concepts… but that doesn’t change how huge and expansive reality actually is. We understand more every day, it’s hardly close minded. It may not be an elegant as an eternal heaven, but there is vast information and research that is continually growing based on the new information that is definitely showing how religious texts are stories and not real. It’s not a dark really. It’s almost more wonderful to see things when rooted in reality. If that makes me an a-hole, ok. I’m sorry that’s what ruins your sense of wonder or hope. There is so much more to base that stuff on.
Oh no, apology not needed. What you just stated is just your own thoughts and opinions, not reality whatsoever. And I am sorry if that makes me a jerk, but someone needs to break your bubble. Be happy living in your own head 😂
@@napoleonbonapart430 "Not reality whatsoever" They are correct though. Just because you believe in something and that something makes you feel good, doesn't mean we should approve or tolerate it. Anti-vaxxers believe and feel good about not taking vaccines, using home remedies that at best do nothing and at worse make their health worse, not talking about the actual danger they pose to the people around them when they spread diseases that have long since been combated and eradicated. Flat-earthers actively make science efforts more difficult by turning everything into a conspiracy theory while actively dismissing actual proof. And I am sorry if that makes ME a jerk, but you're just straight up full of yourself, actual Napoleon complex over here.
Okay, as a Christian I have an idea. How about we blame and hold people in religions and non-religions accountable for their own actions and NOT the entire religion or non-religion unless it's inherently problematic by today's ethics? Huh? Truly mind boggling stuff.
Because their systems protect in-groupers because It Benefits Them To Do So. Like who knows what they doing with the stolen babies from spanish hospitals that *Do Not* end up getting adopted.
As a Christian, how about you stop 'believing' that all non-Christians will be sent to the subterranean eternal torture chamber. It may be the WORST thing one human could possibly think about another. And it's getting SOOOOOOOOO old. The Catholic Church had paid out over FOUR BILLION dollars in sexual abuse settlements to date. And that's likely just a tiny fraction of the victims throughout history. And for what??? Some narcissistic god who has Mommy issues? He watches you always? Judges you? Sounds like an abusive husband. Also, Jesus fulfilled precisely ZERO prophecies. He also blatantly lied more than once.
Great thay you talk about this! I am Christian and i love Christian/occult art history. I find these people goul-ish. The big thing i fin is that: "can you say that to a jew withou it coming off of antisemitic?"
Yeah I agree. The best way to usually go in life for me at least is live and let live. As long as something isn't imoral/illegal and harming someone why bother trying to force your beliefs
Yes, I completely agree, many people have said that my beliefs are false, such as using apocryphal books (I am a Gnostic Christian). You know, it hurts when I hear people saying that I believe In a sky daddy, spirituality completes me, and gives me strength to evolve as a human being, I believe that each person has their own vision of the world and it should be respected😊
As an athiest who grew up as a cristian, i dont care what anybody believes, my family and basically anybody i know are christian. I even act christian around people just to avoid being an asshole or destroying people's hope (i hope im wrong about athiesm btw)
I dont hope so, heaven sounds like 1984 and the alternative is the entity that loves you most condemning you to eternal suffering for not complying to the dogma of a select culture...no thanks
I appreciate the conversation thats happening. Its bringing a lot of different people together, which is comendable despite the faulty premise for this video.
Atheist here. Agree 100% I actually like the tarot cards thing, one time at the classroom and there was this girl reading people's cards. Aparentaly my life was boring at the time 😅 not a lie tho. But i do enjoy my time now so i think its fine Also, im glad i didnt fell into the type of atheist who only goes around trying to disproove every religion. Honestly i only have a problem if it says something like "because of my religion, we should-" and thats were it gets to me. "Your religion not mine" is my response. But hey if someone whats to bless me or pray for, i dont know a nice 2025 i am glad
OKAY THANK YOU. my whole family doesn’t really believe in anything and are atheists(although I’d consider myself agnostic now that I know the definition. I don’t believe but I don’t disbelieve either) but my dad is STRONG atheist. He says stuff like “you know what you guys can believe in your comic book character just keep him out of my face” and “if you need an eye in the sky to prevent you from doing bad stuff then go for it but I think it’s dumb.” And NOW I know how to snap back at him to stop saying that stuff. Like let them believe in whatever they want?! Who KNOWS if there’s some higher power or not. Geez
I grew up in a Christian family one of my uncles is a priest, and I was always brought to his church. I got into the religion for a petty thing, I would say. I was scared of death, and when one of my grandmothers died, My six-year-old self questioned, "Why do people have to die? "Why can't people live forever?" I also went into religion for me to be more loved by my abusive mother, but It never went that route. It only has gotten worse, as I've gotten older I questioned the whole concept of a god. "How are people under God supposed to be pure and faithful, but at the same time could be so terrible to their own son?" And then turn their back and act like this person who is pure and kind. Because of all of this, I have lost faith in anything, and I still have problems with it. Even though I was looked at differently by my entire family and thought of as someone who wasn't aware that something was wrong with me. I don't dislike religion, but how people exploit it, people who will restrict creativity because of some writing. Or even to the point where people are just extremely hateful towards a group of people because it goes against their beliefs or anything like that. I have religious friends, and I get jealous of them having so much faith. Or just in general, religion or not.
8:04 I have a problem with that. Alot of communitys create a sense of stability and meaning. Religious communitys do that to, maybe quite well even, but you are repeating a christian cotcha strawman. There are many communitys and imaginary friends for that sake that can create that feeling. They might be based in cold rationality. But cold rationality itself is not a community or a person you can (think you) talk to. As such this is just a very unfitting comparisson. You do good videos. But please do better here.
You're confusing theism for religion, or more accurately god belief theism for religion. To put a finer point on it, my religion has an atheist version of it. They are still the same religion despite being atheists. Religion is more than just theism, and theism is more than just god belief. Not to play the "atheism is a religion" trope, I'm not saying that, to be clear. Religions can be Orthodoxic like Christianity or they can be orthopraxic and either is fine. Saying "religion gives my life meaning" can but does not necessarily mean "theism gives my life meaning" the same way an athlete might say "sports give my life meaning" but they don't literally mean they live and die for baseball, it's all the things that go around and come with it, and baseball or sport or in this case religion is a shorthand for it.
@@insert-name-here6777 you've missed the point again, friend. There is no "imaginary friend" if someone is participating in an atheist religion. You're too focused on the god belief part of religion. It's not just god belief. I don't mean atheist in the sense of "god, but he's not actually a god" or "no to gods but yes to spirits", I mean an atheist participating in religion. Someone who does not believe in disembodied spirits of any power, let alone great power. Someone who doesn't believe in ghosts or in demons or in djinn or in jotnar or in the pharaohs curse, though you should still return the slab, tbh. 😉
@@stevenhuntley8706 I still dont know what you mean. I am sorry. My original point was that everything you get from religion/theism is not inherently only possible through that and can have origin of maybe not directly non religion and atheism but is also not not possible with those. Non religion and atheism just has nothing to do with those and as such, its not correct to equate it like she did in the video. I dont really see how you post matters to that in any way.
@insert-name-here6777 I'm agreeing that what you get out of religion isn't only possible through religion, but you get more from religion than theology. Those things you too can get from non-religion. I'm not saying religion has exclusivity on anything, it does not. I'm saying there are, however, other things besides theology or god belief or belief in the supernatural at all. Some people find value in that, some don't, and both are fine and dandy as long as the boat isn't sinking.
12:25 The problem here is the oversimplification of the argument. Sadly alot of atheists might do that. The actual reason and use of this argument is when the logical system contradicts itself. Aka in this case a all-loving, all-powerful god. As such this only works on a variation of the abrahamic god. You now generialising it to all religion is - im sorry - just a strawman. Again, you can do better.
@@Sigma90985 The idea of a observer in this context is merely superstitious but even if we allow the presupposition, which god? It certainly can't be any gods of the world religions since they're depicted as interfering agents.
@@Sigma90985 First of all I dont think there is "True free will". Although we are resposible for our choices, in theory the chemical reactions in our brains are predetermined. If a god knows what you are going to do is it really free that will? Because it seems kinda predetermined. But sure. Free Will still exists in the sense how I think of it, us just beeing resposible for our actions. But in the way I see theists often talk about it, like it can not be predetermined (what I call True free will), is impossible.
At 11:46, While I understand the point that you were trying to make, (comparing Fascism & Communism as extreme, polar-opposite ends of the spectrum like Theism & Atheism,) the idea that Fascism is exploited by those in power to do harm in the same way that Stalin called his tyranny 'Communism,' thus condemning the concept for the next hundred years is absolutely absurd. Because while the entire basis of Communism is supposed to be equality, the entire basis of Fascism is that one group is inherently superior and deserves all of the power. That the 'Other' groups having equal rights, power and even existing at all is the cause of all of society's problems, and that therefore, the solution to all of the problems is to strip 'The Other' of their power and rights and remove them from society through mass deportations and the other thing that will get this comment flagged. In short in fact, while Communism preaches that oppression is bad, meaning that all so-called 'Communist' Governments have flown in the face of the defining concept of Communism, Fascism preaches that oppressing most people is actually a good thing, meaning that people like Trump & Hitler were/are doing exactly what the average Fascist wants them to do. So although once again, I completely understand the point that you were trying to make, I hope that you now understand how you couldn't possibly have made a worse comparison, lol. Like comparing Atheists to Religious Fundamentalists who believe that they are God's chosen people and literally want to unalive anyone who doesn't follow their dogma to the letter.
I was looking for this comment, I know she was criticizing both systems but even giving justification to fascism and seeing it as a similar extreme to communism is giving fascism way too much credit
And compare religious fundamentalists who want to eradicate other religions to atheists who want to erase all religions and you find a comparison, now do you understand you dolt? Stop with the victim mindset
@Kitsune2Megafan1086 I'm not a expert in the subject but alot of different philosophies preach that different things are the most important in life, like some old greek philosophers ( I think Aristoteles ) preached that discussion were the most fudamental things in social life. I think philosophy doesn't get as much attention with it like not being something required in schools because of it not being something that's useful to most jobs, atleast that's what people seem to think Ig
6:20 This reminds me of one scene in a podcast i listen to where the main character is trying to get help from his religious father in-law. It turns into heartfelt reconciliation between them as the main character learns to speak to his father's religious beliefs without belittling him.
I agree with the overall message of the video, I think using Newton as an example of a religious scientist isn't a good argument. He was a product of his time. Everyone was under the rule of the Catholic church in the 1700's. I know plenty of religious scientists. My biology professor that taught me evolution was a christian. They can coexist. Its when fundementalists take their faith to the most literal levels. Like the Earth being made in 7 days level. (I understand the irony that I have 666 in my name lol) I have a problem with religious doctrine being on the same level as scientific theory and proven facts. Like Oklahoma and Texas forcing teachers to read form the bible in science classrooms is wrong. Creationism is not on the same level as any proven scientific theory. It requires faith. A theory does not require faith. Ask the 9/11 jumpers if they had did not believe in the theory of gravity. I don't have a problem with anyone's personal beliefs but I have a problem when the institutions weaponizing their beliefs, try to destroy the clear separation of church and state.
Nope, this is a ridiculous argument. Newton was religious just as Einstein was a Jew, not ‘product of their time’. By that logic all scientists today are just products of their time
@@napoleonbonapart430 They are though, we all are. A scientist in the 1500s could not have as much insight or fundamental knowledge of whatever matter of science that we have today. Same thing goes for any area, you in the 1700s would not have access to as much literature, studies and general knowledge like we have today. We all are products of our time.
Remember, whether you're atheist, religious, agnostic or spiritual; don't be a jerk to someone who believes in a thing you don't and don't be a jerk to someone who doesn't believe in something you do.
Just don't be a jerk!
If you want someone to respect your beliefs, then you need to at least have respectable beliefs.
@@EldridEinherjarI mean as long as they aren't hurting anybody and they're not tryna force anyone into it, who gives af?
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
@@EldridEinherjar I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
As an atheist seeing this video pop up:
Oh no…
The so called "Reddit" genre of atheism is so detrimental and I'm guilty of participating in it in the past.
Reddit is so cringe
@@SpellracecarBackwardshonestly, only the parts you hear about are bad. There’s a lot of places where it’s just people sharing an interest and being really chill and a lil goofy
There are also a few dumpsterfire cesspools, but where aren’t there?
Yeah that's how I feel.
oh r/atheism... oh no
I call myself an atheist because I actually tried different religions and still don't believe in anything, I can't stand people who make atheism their whole personality
I read the title as asthma superiority, and i like people with asthma are thinking there better then everyone else now
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
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"I'm so superior that my body won't let me breathe lesser air"
Lmao @@captainbirch2.079
As an asthmatic, yes I believe we are better than everyone else /j
@riveriseverywhere lmao
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT THIS!! While I prefer not to be friends with religious people due to bad experiences (I still have religious friends, boyfriend included), I can't stand people who just belittle others for their beliefs. Like everyone thinks their belief is the right one, let's all leave one another alone 😭
No one cares
you and I the same
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
@@ville-c4uget it checked out pookie
Fr, it's annoying (I love you Christians and atheists)
Agnosticism and atheism aren't two different belief systems. They describe two different things.
Agnosticism is a claim of knowledge. Agnostics (whether theistic or atheistic) do not claim to know whether a higher power exists or not.
Atheistm is a claim of belief. Atheists (whether gnostic or agnostic) claim that they do not hold a belief in higher power.
The vast majority of people are agnostic. The average theist might believe in a higher power, but they do not claim to know for a fact. The average atheist might not believe in a higher power, but they do not claim to know for a fact.
I am an agnostic atheist. I do not believe in a higher power and yet I have no factual evidence either way (for the god of the Abrahamic religions, it is definitionally impossible to have empirical evidence proving her existence).
Gnostic = Claims to know for a fact.
Agnostic = Does not claim to know for a fact.
Theist = Claims to believe in a higher power.
Atheist = Does not claim to believe in a higher power.
Sorry for this tangent. This video is good, but the conflation of "atheist" and "nihilist" rubbed me the wrong way.
Edit:
The video also conflats "atheist" with "anti-theist" and it conflats "agnostic" with "deist".
Anti-theists are people who are morally opposed to religion in all of its forms, and deists are people who believe in a higher power but do not prescribe to any organized religion.
Actually, atheism is a claim of disbelieving in a high power, not believing that there isn't one. Yes, that's two different things, because believing that something doesn't exist is basically "Oh, i guess that might not exist". So it's just claiming that you don't believe it, but you don't exaclty if you are right, it's like an agnostic atheist. Meanwhile disbelieving is like "God obviously doesn't exist". it's like a rejection of the claim of a high power. So atheism is a claim of disbelieving, not believing.
@@leandroblockmango2673 So is it not possible to be agnostic and atheist as OP explained it? or does an Atheist have to be able to/want to prove that there is no god?
@banheezone Not really. You can be agnostic and atheist at the same time. An agnostic atheist Is basically when you don't know if a high power exists or not, but at the same time, you believe that there isn't one. So an agnostic atheist is when you don't know, but you think that it doesn't exist. Someone fully atheists rejects entirely the claim of the existence of a high power.
@Banheezone, my comments are getting deleted, oh my.
@@leandroblockmango2673 all you've done is given different names to two levels of the same thing
As an atheist, I still think it’s important to respect other religions and beliefs because while it may not be all that important to ME, it’s still important to a lot of my friends and family, and I respect what they believe
respect should not be given, it should be earned, and I dont see how religion, which has oppressed, k*lled, and abused so many throughout history deserves it.
Respect? They'll get it when they give it
@@Evan-k You can respect people first, and if they don't respect back you can just ignore them. There is no need for being a silly little jerk to everybody who doesn't respect you by default
From my perspective of being an atheist who was raised somewhat Christian, I think that a lot of this idea of superiority comes from a contrarian mindset. In a society where church and state are becoming less and less separate, I know that it can feel like we are being forced into something we don’t agree with. Christians have more numbers and powers so I believe some Atheist have gotten defensive.
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
I get it but it still doesn't justify being an a-hole (for those who do that]
I was never indoctrinated as a child. My parents weren't outspoken atheists, but clearly, they didn't believe. It made me curious, and I ended up reading Old and New Testament, parts of the Quran, the Vedas, and a few texts of far older religions. They all share one major commonality. Lack of any convincing evidence. Atheists have but ONE perspective....a denial of god claims. That's all.
Interesting, I’m a Christian raised atheist! It’s like looking into a mirror.
@@ville-c4uwhat a waste of my time :/
On that note… Crazy? I was crazy once
Religion is normally meant to be a good thing (take out all the evil people who take advantage of it) it's normally meant to bring communities together, to raise each other up and feel like you have a purpose. And I'm saying this in spite of my religious trauma. i don't have a religion, but I'm neither atheist nor agonistic, but i still believe if they're not hurting anyone and you have an issue with their beleifs, you're actually the problem.
No one is a problem
The people who do bad things with religion are the norm and not the exception.
The only problem is that most religions haven't been able to get rid of this evil yet
How are neither an atheist nor an agnostic?
i mean, thats your belief, i personally believe that while religious outwards appearance is as you describe it, their real purpose is to control, and force people into submission, to give certain few individuals unfathomable political and economical power, while its flowers are left to fight among themselves for scraps. That is to say, while religion has ability to bring community together, its also tears us apart, male versus female, black versus white, and so on, its just inherently made to make those of us beneath them to fight, thats why i personally believe modern religions should be just straight up banned. Surely as species we can do much better religion wise.
Hi, Atheist here. I really hate these extremes of religion, & also hate when people of my own belief undermine others just because they still believe in a deity. Sometimes i do feel somewhat "smarter" because i think that there's really no god while being surrounded by christians & pretending to be one (my south american catholic family would bury me 6ft underground if they found out that i'm no longer a believer), but i brush those thoughts away. Not believing something does not mean you're automatically better than those who do believe in it. I don't like when people of religion force others into believing, so, i don't force people to be atheist. I'll just let people be, & hope that they let me be as well.
If i'm talking with somebody who's a theist about religion, i make sure to listen. If they talk about the afterlife, i won't shut them down by saying "you're delusional" or anything like that. Would i like that to be done to me? Absolutely not. & I also don't do it because i don't like being mean. I want to hear their thoughts, & share mine if i'm comfortable with sharing. Not many people know what i actually think, so, if i'm at school or at home, i'll just.. nod & stay silent, i suppose.
8:00 People who have been raised in a way where faith is their only anchor to staying sane or alive are the exact people who need to be saved from religion.
"It's not dogma, it's a source of hope and comfort" it is only a source of hope and comfort because they have been raised in dogma saying that it is
Supposing that is true. Wouldn't you need to give those people an alternate anchor before trying to take away the only one they know?
the video makes some valid points about respecting individuals' beliefs and avoiding unnecessary mockery. however, it also presents several flawed arguments, including false equivalences, generalizations, straw men, and oversimplifications. it fails to adequately distinguish between legitimate criticism of ideas and disrespectful mockery, and it downplays the importance of scrutinizing potentially harmful beliefs and practices. while advocating for empathy and understanding is important, it shouldn't come at the cost of critical thinking and the ability to challenge harmful ideas.
Conflating Atheism with nihilism while potentially accurate feels kind of insulting. Not believing in god doesn't mean you don't believe in an afterlife. There are hundreds of thousands of ways an afterlife could exist without a god. I personally don't know or care but some of my friends who are atheist firmly believe there is an afterlife just not what it would look like. I mean my personal favorite example of a godless afterlife is that after death everyone becomes an immortal ghost and so they built a ghost civilization that travels the stars.
I don't believe that's what happens but it would be cool if it was.
Also, not believing in an afterlife doesn't make you a nihilist. There are other philosophies that acknowledge you can find meaning in life even though it's temporary, like existentialism and absurdism
She is doing the 'hey atheism hurt everyones feelings so lets call it bad' thing and trying to play both sides. Obviously she isn't going to know shit.
Yea... she kinda just used some definitions from the christian-preacher-book, like the one for atheism...
@@insert-name-here6777I thought the video would get better but she made many flawed and seemingly fallacious arguments. Good message but poor presentation.
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy.
I usually enjoy your vids. and you have a good point about some atheists (Reddit atheists and the like) being arrogant and snobby. Guilty of the same things we say religious people are guilty of. but you went ahead and made some really sweeping generalizations rather unfairly. Not all Atheists say "There is no God", infact most in my experiences just stay with the stance of "I dont believe the claims that have been made so far". We cannot Prove there is nothing. Usually what we refer to as Gnostic (A knowledge claim relating to being certain) and Agnostic Atheism (The opposite, being uncertain). (also no, not all athiests call anything remotely structured a cult, another sweeping generalisation)
I like your vids. And you are absolutely right about some Atheists being snobs. But you also got a good bit wrong here.
But I think that her maybe not knowing that high-lights how large this issue is. This is the general public view of Atheism, because those types of people she described are the loudest voice currently, causing people to only associate it with that.
I know not every atheist calls organized religion as a whole a cult, and I also know not every one of them are snobby douches.
But BOY have I met more than my fair share of both! It's definitely alot more than you think, and that's just from me trying to have normal conversations too.
I dunno, maybe I'm just really unlucky and just ran into a bunch in my life, and I know to judge a person by their actions and not their beliefs, but my views of Atheists were definitely molded by snobby douches calling my beliefs a cult.
@@Mrhellslayerz Thats fair. we dont control our experiences regarding stuff like this. But i do actually agree with you. those really loud and obnoxious atheists are super annoying and give the rest of us a bad rap. The main thing is how vocal they are, while the rest of us who keep it to ourselves dont say anything unless it comes up, so you wouldnt even know.
I agree with you, but it feels like a content creator should do/know better than making pretty muddy comments at a whole group without knowing anything more. Ig thats my issue. It feels like ive been portrayed unfairly
@@maxm.m.7219 Yeah. thats a fair point. The normal Atheists like me and my friends dont say anything about it unless prompted or its relevant, but the loud ones make it known so only they get seen. Like Vegans.
But it feels like a content creator should do/know better than to smear an entire group based on the actions of a few. Feels bad faith
@@vfrostbane225 Yeah, ok I see how you feel now. Despite how big Christianity is in America, I feel Christians are either heavily frowned upon by most big-wigs in media, or just generally seen as stupid hillbillies. I know how misrepresentation feels, and I'm sorry for coming off a bit strong in my last comment.
Reddit atheist vs tiktok christian
Enemies to lovers arc
A battle that will ripple through history
Both equally cringe
They gonna crack reality like Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta and max power Broly.
You usually make good takes, and this video did have good aspects to it, but overall this isn’t it.
Also, something that really bothered me that really effected the rest of the video is your definitions. The definitions you used on atheism and agnosticism in the first few minutes are very incorrect. Sure, they apply for some people, but you shouldn’t use that explanation to explain these worldviews as a whole. Atheism isn’t automatically nihilism and not all agnostics believe in a God(s) but have a lack of a care for them. That’s only a handful of a large majority of people who believe this.
Atheism is just having no or a lack of a belief in a god(s) (this often also include a lack of a belief in religion, however there are religious atheists, like many branches of Buddhism), while agnosticism is saying that you don’t know if there is a god(s). Along with this, agnostics can be atheist or theist along with being agnostic.
Atheism also doesn’t equal anti-theism. Anti-theism is the belief that religion isn’t necessary in modern society. This and atheism can go hand in hand, but they aren’t automatically the same.
Again, usually you have great takes, and even toxic atheists & anti-theists can bother me as a Hellenic Polytheist, but you could have done so much better on this one. It felt as if it was generalizing all atheists instead of taking a moment to understand where many atheists are coming from and how not all atheists are like this
immediately i got caught up on one thing, which is saying athiests are nihilistic, which comes from a mis-idea of nihilism and maybe athiesm
athiests believe there is no higher being (and some believe there is not enough evidence for a higher being, some are agostic athiests who do not believe in evidence for or against higher beings), just because an athiest does not believe in a higher being, doesn't mean they don't find meaning in life (which is nihilistic, nihilists believe there is no meaning to life and thus people should not care), i and other athiests do find meaning in life, there are also athiests which are spiritual and athiests who believe in an afterlife (personally for me, my view on the afterlife is i hope there is one so i ain't forgotten, but won't be mad if their isn't)
tldr: athiests aren't inherently nihilistic, and theres confusion of what athiesm is and how varied it actually is
i really do wish people could actually learn the meaning of these terms and talk to people of these terms before they actually talk about these terms, like people do for the other side, a fair discussion is hearing all sides (and all sides as in all kinds, its not black and white, its a damn rainbow) and adjusting to both
an finally, i will just quickly say what agnosticism is
agnosticism is the belief that there is not enough evidence for or against a higher being
so one can be agnostic while being theist or athiest, agnostic is a descriptor
@moratoryrobin33and the real kicker is the fact that these words do not have objective meaning! And that being agnostic could also mean you believe in a higher power but you don’t hold any claims on its characteristics
@@_Sloppyham but the problem with your claim here is that thse words have much bigger wide-usage, yes words do not have pre-defined meaning, but generally in discussion people should use the common defition or at least a close to verion of it, and the thing is you could probably actually find a term that already means what you stated
@moratoryrobin33 my issue with this is I live in an area (and in many states around me) that use that word the way I described it. So if definitely depends on your audience and people should define their words if there could be confusion. But both definitions are valid even if you consider one to be redundant in some fashion
As an atheist, I've been threatened with eternal torture by dozens...perhaps hundreds of Christians. Some in my own family (in -laws), others complete strangers who know nothing about me.
Me? I've threatened precisely ZERO people.
Yeah this video rubbed me the wrong way, atheists don’t argue against religion for no other reason than “feeling superior”, we have very real and grounded criticisms of how religion weaponizes fear as control.
You do understand that this (and the other videos on religion) are against the people who use their belief’s to justify their bad actions and downplay others beliefs, this is not against you, it’s against bad people.
@Bamboot08 I do understand. I was just bolstering the point with my own personal testimonial LOL which religious people seem to take very seriously
@@hibbo1351 and to them, why they don’t have to decide what you do in life that is manipulation, which in of itself is a sin.
@@skullthunder3181 Yeah, I'm personally no longer atheist because of many unexplainable things that have happened to me, but the problem is always from the human concept of religion.
The existence or not of a higher being, an afterlife, etc have nothing to do with the tools created by mankind to manipulate eachother imo
Heavily agree with a lot of the things said in the video! I would like to push back on your definition of agnosticism though: Agnosticism is not necessarily a third option between atheism and theism, as they are not mutually exclusive. One could be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. Agnosticism is merely the belief that theological assumptions, such as the existence of a god, can never be proven false or correct. However someone could still decide they find the arguments by one side more convincing and hold a belief or a disbelief in a god (or an afterlife or other not empirically verifiable claims), while being aware that they cannot be 100% certain. In fact I would argue that most atheists are probably agnostics, though I have no data to back that up.
Funnily enough, there is also secular buddhism, which is often referred to as atheist or agnostic buddhism. So someone could be an agnostic atheist buddhist. :)
Also I don't think most atheists are nihilists. One can find a lot of meaning in life without believing in a higher power or an afterlife ( in fact I would argue believing this one life is all that you get can make it more meaningful).
As a christian and science student I feel seen. Thank you.
Your religion is against your career
The issue I have with religion is that it's like pandora's box. If you're willing to believe something profound without a rationale for it, you'll be far more open to believe other things without evidence.
I remember saying "have you heard the teachings of Jesus Christ?" As a joke and my sister friend/my friends sister said "eRm, HeS nOt ReAl", I wasn't even Christian at the time and I felt irritated
I mean, that person was most likely incorrect too! Certainly is annoying when someone not being Christian blinds them to the fact that not *all* of the Bible is necessarily fiction. Jesus most likely was a person that existed at roughly that period in time, though the jury's still out on the specifics.
I think that you are mistaken with how most atheists actually are less confident in god's existence, it is that they aren't convinced that it exists. They aren't really making a positive assertion that he doesn't exist, but they don't find that the world religions give them enough evidence that they exist. I would call them agnostic atheists, or agnostic deists.
I'm a member of a lesser-known religion and it's always funny when someone makes a statement about "all religions" (christianity) that directly goes against my religion's belief
All religions are cults, grow up
When it comes to gods and religions, I like to think of the old parable about the blind men and the elephant.
"A group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant, had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. The first person, whose hand landed on the trunk, said, "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan. As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant is that which is hard, smooth and like a spear."
Some versions even have the men fighting, accusing each other of lying. But the only way for them to find out the truth is to accept that they can only feel part of the whole, and then either trust the others' descriptions, or find out for yourself what they have found. Or, in the words of Ted Lasso; "Be curious, not judgmental."
Hmm, I wish religions back then followed that quote instead of birthing religious tribalism and discrimination.
that's awesome man, thanks for the comment! that's gonna stick with me for my entire life honestly
So eye opening! 😮
It is SO IMPORTANT that you made a video on this. I have been harassed by both Atheists and Christians as a Trans Christian. One side is saying that I'm an idiot for believing in God, the other is saying that my existence is a sin. Life is really hard. If everyone could just respect others religions the world would be so much better. Sure, I may talk about my religion, but that doesn't mean I'm pushing it on people. If people disagree, then fine. It says in the Bible that while you should spread the ideas of your religion, you CAN'T push Christianity onto other people! It's a suggestion, letting you know an option exists. NOT something you push on other people.
ruining your body is very unholy.
You joined the cult not us
@ huh?
As a Christian , sorry that other Christians treated you that way. Even tho i dont really allign like that God did say to love each other
what if after death is different for everyone?
Who cares? We have zero evidence of anything 'after death' other than a rotting corpse. Where were we before we were born??? We didn't exist. It'll be like that.
That's the most interesting interpretation
Good question.
That's a bit silly
Exactly what I’m wondering!
I've definitely been guilty of some of this. When I first stopped believing in religion, it was like my worldview had yanked out of my hands and I was left naked, so my first instinct was to be angry and try to tear down religion. Since then, though, I've learned to be a lot more open-minded, and I've learned to hate the harm that religion does without having to hate the entire idea of religion. Being right is no more important than making people around you feel loved and accepted by you.
I have severe religious trauma from growing up in a cult. I am slowly healing that trauma, I have religious friends now (which I never would have considered early in my deconstructing due to how raw said trauma was). I definitely see athiests being insufferable just as much as I saw thiests to be, now that I have processed a lot of that. I have been the insufferable one, and while it is liberating to leave a cult, if you get involved in certain athiest circles, that empowerment goes right to your head and you start looking down on religious people the same way many religious people look down on athiests. It's the same coin, just opposite sides.
I also really appreciate you pointing out how harmful calling any structured religion a "cult" is. Having been raised in one, it's hard to get taken seriously as a survivor. Especially since the one I was raised in is slightly more socially acceptable than the hollywood commune idea, and it resembles non-cult religions very closely from the outside. It's hard for people to understand that I performed cult rituals as a child and teenager when their idea of a cult is just the average religious experience. While I am not a fan of organized religion for many reasons, very few of them actually classify as cults. Calling every religion or spirituality a cult only serves to make the athiest feel morally and intellectually superior to thiests, actual victims and survivors be damned.
Hey, can I ask a serious question? I don't mean any harm in asking, but what's it like being in a cult?
As a Christian, I've had my fair share of people telling me that there's no difference between a religion and a cult, and I just don't see it.
But since you brought it up, I've only ever seen the Hollywood interpretation and I would rather know better to avoid mishaps when talking to Atheists, Christians, or survivors like yourself.
@Mrhellslayerz Members encouraged to report the tiniest social infraction to those in authority, strict limits on how people socialize and who with, weird/inappropriate boundaries with children, financial abuse of the members, etc. Things that seem like I'm just complaining and being dramatic about normal religious things, such as tithes, community activities, etc., but when taken to the extreme, those things can become control tactics very easily. The hollywood interpretation is still a very real thing for many survivors, what I grew up with was not QUITE so extreme, in a lot of ways I still had a very normal childhood, but it was still a high control system that is difficult to leave without issue. Anyone who makes a blanket statement about every religion being a cult isn't actually considering survors, so I wouldn't take their opinions to heart, haha
It took a decade for me to realize that wasn't the norm in religious settings. It was pretty hard for me to believe that religion could bring someone joy instead of an overwhelming paranoia and sense of impending doom. I still don't think it's for me, and I still have some religious sore spots, but I have learned to enjoy learning about what people believe and why, and what kind of person they strive to be because of their beliefs. As long as that is striving to be good and kind, that is. As long as compassion, curiosity, and empathy are fundamental parts of you, then no matter what religion (or lack thereof) you follow, you're good in my books
@@entropicElleWow... I didn't know it was that rough. I'm sorry that happened to you, and I hope your path to recovery is smooth.
That being said, I feel kind of relieved knowing that there is a distinct difference between the two. Religion is made out of genuine belief while cults only want control.
I know my wording may look a bit jank, but I genuinely mean it when I say you helped me through a test of faith just now. Thank you!
Wow... I didn't know it was that rough. I'm sorry you went through that, and I hope your road to recovery is smooth.
That being said, I feel knid of relieved to know that there's a distinct difference. Cults only want control while religion is genuine belief.
I know my wording may be a bit stiff, but I genuinely mean it when I say you helped me through a test of my faith just now. Thank you!
@Mrhellslayerz I appreciate that deeply. Thank you.
Just because I don't believe in the same thing doesn't mean I don't recognize the weight that holds for you. As long as your faith brings you joy and inspires goodness in you (which it sounds like it does), then I am touched to have been part of that for you 💖
Reminds me of this tweet that went something like: "haunted house theme idea: you're trapped in a huanted house with a bunch of guys trying to tell you that the zodiac, tarot etc isn't real."
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
Great video! I could be totally wrong here, but it feels like the atheist's superiority complex, grandstanding, etc. may also be an effect of the religious trauma they had experienced in their lives, at least in some cases. And they internalized that trauma to the point that once they have exposed themselves to different ideas and interpretations of the world, they use that knowledge as like a sword and shield against others with ideas that don't align with theirs, becoming the same people that traumatized them. Also, that trauma can make it easy for them to misunderstand (or forget) that Christians are not a monolith and are even accepting of people of different faiths and perspectives. It's not an excuse for the superiority complex, but I think it's an explanation.
The more someone is sure that they're superior the more they aren't superior.
Hm, depends. Because, this implies that you are superior for not thinking you are superior. So its still you concluding you are superior. Its a paradox.
We don't believe in fairy tales, how is that not better
@Evan-k Strawmannery
@@mimszanadunstedt441 Well the quote never said that you are superior for thinking you're not it's simply telling you not take yourself too seriously.
@@Nigerosaurus420 Wrong because it says there is a proportionality to superiority complexes that directly correlates to how inferior someone is.
Thank you so much for this video. As a Muslim who was born and raised in Western Europe and deep in the countryside it was very complicated. Most people in the countryside are already soooo racist and islamophobic but add to that the fact that most of Western Europe is atheist and that whole thing of "We're superior because we follow science and not some imaginary God", it was just so bad. I got mocked all the time for my religion because their racisme was also intertwined with it. The sentiment was that I was a dumb brown person that's inherently dumb because of I'm not white and me being religious was a proof of that.
I was told that those were stories for kids and other things like that. The worst part is that they're so ignorant that they didn't know anything about my religion. Amongst the people that mocked me were also some people that didn't believe in God but belived in the afterlife ? Like people mock you for believing that but then you turn around and mock me for believing in that and other stuff as well ?
It was pretty bad also because it was so intertwined with the overall racism, bullying and just the fact that I was isolated socially because I didn't "fit in" because I was a WOC, religious, proud of my ethnicity and religion, not a hypocrite, I was a leftist and believed in equality and respect for everyone, etc I just wasn't as vile as most of them and was living my life
The double standard in this whole thing is that I was a straight A's student, and the best in every class, and that was the only reason I'd have any social interactions : people faking to be nice with me so that I'd help them with classes or accept to work with them in a group project. So I was the "smart kid" but also the "dumb brown kid" at the same time because I got good grades but I was religious ?
I know other religious people in my school also got that whole "We're smarter than you" attitude but if they weren't POC, there wasn't that whole white superiority to it.
The problem is that you were indoctrinated by your PARENTS. They stole your choice and branded you as a Muslim, likely moments after you took your first breath. And you've never bothered to question it since. So who is really to blame? Believing in ANYTHING with no evidence is a slippery slope to being suckered into believing anything at all.
Last year on Halloween I was praying in the car with my family and I said that may everyone have a happy Halloween. Then My mom scolded me for that.
I've only watched up to 3:20 but I do have to say that religion as a whole has hurt a lot of people throughout the years and is a very easy way to create cults and bad influences and discrimination, so shutting down all religion makes perfect sense, bc it help eliminate the pain caused by religious groups and stops people from being naive to them.
Of course tho, some are a bit too into it and stop researching and asking questions. The point isn't to disregard the idea of an afterlife, but insead find reasonable proof of it's inexistence.
ALTHOUGH I do have to say! If God were real, then it's an evil, sadistic God, as life is too full of hardships and pain to be considered a kind creation, and has to instead be made by someone enjoying the suffering of humans, animals, and life!
From this perspective if life is just a random occurrence it makes the suffering feel less personal and insead simply nature. When a tree falls on your car it's aggravating and annoying, but if someone were to do it on purpose it would feel extremely personal and demeaning and hurtful, you would get enraged at them and feel betrayed.
Edit: I watched it all by now, my point still stands
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
I feel like a lot of people mix this up, so I’ll break it down for others. Bad things happen in the world because of *us*. God gave us free will, and sometimes the decisions we make have consequences. If a man were to light a patch of dry grass on fire, and then the fire spreads and burns down a forest, it’s not Gods fault. it’s the man’s for deciding to do that. Another reason, is because it could be for the greater good.
Take the civil war for example. People inevitably died while fighting on either side, but in the end we got to abolish slavery!
Certain religions also believe that because of the first sin (eve eating from the forbidden tree.) the world is now imperfect and prone to suffering.
I feel like a lot of people mix this up, so I’ll break it down for others. Bad things happen in the world because of **us**. God gave us free will, and sometimes the decisions we make have consequences. If a man were to light a patch of dry grass on fire, and then the fire spreads and burns down a forest, it’s not Gods fault. it’s the man’s for deciding to do that. Another reason, is because it could be for the greater good.
Take the civil war for example. People inevitably died while fighting on either side, but in the end we got to abolish slavery.
A few religions also believe that because of the original sin (eve eating from the forbidden tree.) the world is now imperfect and prone to suffering
The video isn't saying atheism isn't valid it is critiquing a type of atheism that is directly irritating and pushes their beliefs on others, please watch the remaining part of the video
i feel like if you feel that way about god, you should keep it to yourself. people may find it offensive or hurtful, just like how you find some people belittling you over your own beliefs offensive or hurtful.
3:23 cat cameo!!!!!!!! cat cameo!!!!! cat cameo!!!!!!!
Love the video! Honestly, I'm ashamed to look back a few years to middle school, since I definitely fell into the bully category in attacking other religions. I might've had reasons, sure, but they seem quite childish now, and it's nice to have a video really getting me reflecting on how I've changed so far and how much more I still need to change. Thanks!
Referring to the way religion is used it’s worth noting that while religion was used to justify chattel slavery it was also being used by those same slaves to justify their liberation.
I'm atheist and as long as ur not rude and hurt/suppress people I don't care about ur religion and I don't see why anyone should if people want to believe something that isn't hurting people they should be able to believe it
Often being "rude" to religious people is literally just questioning their beliefs. You can't win. The whole "atheists are mean" thing is a way to control.
Cults are dangerous
I appreciate your thoughts on the other side of the theistic coin. I'm an atheist, maybe Satanist with a deeply Christian friend. Although I don't really like Christianity (or its hypocrites), I love my friend deeply and would never try to make her ashamed of her beliefs.
I think it's true that atheism comes with its own group of mockers and belittles, just like any religious group. Everyone, no matter their walk of life, should live to care for and respect others.
I've had the displeasure of interacting with (and being..) these kinds of 'Reddit atheists', and sure a lot of it is pretty juvenile, so I get why this video was made, pushing back on the sillier stuff that comes out of there.
However, I do feel a slightly deeped dive would have been useful at parts. One thing, for instance, is the terminology. Maybe you use different definitions, and that's alright, but there is a pretty rigid framework of what things like 'agnosticism' and 'atheism' mean in this specific community. For instance, a lot of atheists online will additionally identify as agnostics (Someone who doesn't know whether there is or isn't a god). This is generally used as a kind of show of honesty. "I don't believe in a god, but I don't claim to know whether there is a god"= Agnostic atheism. These aren't contradictory. There are also plenty of agnostic theists in the world. Your use of "Agnostic" is in my opinion slightly closer to something like deism.
I also can't really agree on the afterlife thing. Not believeing in an afterlife does, in my opinion, stand on firmer ground than believeing in one. They're not equivalent beliefs. Imagine, for instance, that some random guy out of the blue starts claiming that there's an alien base inside the moon. Technically we don't know whether there is one or not, but not believing in the alien base seems the more reasonable option here. At least until evidence is provided, and really this kind of idea applies to most supernatural claims. They're elaborate ideas, but I can't help but think they ultimately boil down into pure assumptions, and without supporting facts assumptions tend to be of not much worth. They might be right. That's why the lottery exists. It kind of goes back to what you said at the beginning of the video. The universe is so immensely complex and beyond our intuition, that we can't expect some random human to just assume the right thing,
1:16 "Atheists tend to lean into nihilism"?
C'mon, girl. I know you're probably used to Gen Z'er, Reddit-style atheism, but damn. That's one terrible broad stroke, you're way better than that.
It’s also, ironically, the same broad stroke indictment she criticises some atheists for engaging in
Absolutely. I know tons of atheists, but I've only met a couple of nihilists.
This video is ill informed at best.
Is she better than that?
I dunno man
One thing I'd add is that agnositics can also be just as snooty, arrogant, condescending, and annoying (not accusing this creator of that, mind you, just saying its also a thing). Its something found in almost any group/ideology, unfortunately.
Yeah, anybody who does the 'enlightened centerism' thing are the WORST people on the planet. Often the ONLY decent/moral, fair/just, or constructive way forward strongly favors one side.
Also i don't think Shazimei is doing this in any way, misunderstanding terms, repeating misinformation and (deliberate) distortions propagated by those with greatest reach, maybe. Well, yes, but not maliciously nor intentionally. However the core theme/message of telling A-holes to STFU is a good one.
I consider myself agnostic but the second you start believing something that just isn't real the easier it is to sell you things that aren't real.
Like idk maybe i'll be less cynical about faith when people stop murdering in the name of it and using holy texts as justifications to trample on human rights, i'm not going to be an ass to people about their faiths but i will absolutely be guarded about what i share with them if treating people like me like shit is something that is not just frequent but expected in their faith.
It is different than the average kind of bigotry when the person believes it's justified by something divine.
If you're really that interested in faith than look at the faith itself, not it's followers. In fact one of the main tenets of most religion is that people are flawed and evil, wouldn't make sense if that didn't apply to religious people as well. It's a journey to overcome that.
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These tiktokers are completely missing that you can both talk about religion, spirituality, and belief while also being an atheist. They act like their crystal spiritual friends are an issue, like if that’s the case then you need to find other like minded atheist friends. Ngl, it sounds shitty to be stick in an atheist vacuum, but if that’s ur goal… it’s suck ass if I couldn’t talk about literally anything with my friends. Wym I can’t tell u about the natural magick book im reading?
As a cult survivor currently in the process of escaping (exjw), it infuriates me to no end when people say all religions are cults. Like, no, THEY ARE NOT. Im not gonna get too deep into it, but there's a massive difference between having an awkward Thanksgiving bc the overly religious grandma can't shut up about jesus for five minutes (even when everyone told her not to), and knowing that if you ask too many questions or disagree with the religious teachings you will be abandoned and considered dead by all your believeing loved ones for the rest of your life. :l
Key word, Empathy. Well said.
An issue I've had with atheists, as an atheist, is the rejection of any discussion around an afterlife, note, I don't believe in an afterlife, not in the traditional sense at least, but the rigidity and lack of curiosity about what's next can bother me. I don't mind religious people, where I draw the line is when people use their religion for bigotry such as homophobia as that can directly harm others. But hey, believe whatever you want in my eyes, have fun, don't hurt anyone, and that's really about all you need to do.
I think the lack of discussion stems from how the afterlife is all speculative. There could be one, there might not be one; it’s impossible to know since there is no evidence for the afterlife. I see the concept of an afterlife as over emphasizing the human species, unless the afterlife also includes unicellular organisms or flies… Seriously discussing the afterlife also feels like a waste of time because there is no conclusive answer. Entertaining the idea can be beneficial and thought provoking. Either way it doesnt really matter if one believes in an afterlife or not, so I wouldnt really discuss it or care what someone believes. The belief in an afterlife can be comforting and healthy for the mind. I perceive the lack of an afterlife as a sign to make the most of my one life. Belief can be beneficial both ways. I sympathize with how the rigidity and close mindedness can be annoying. While I personally am not curious about the afterlife, i enjoy incorporating the concept creatively when writing. I really vibe with your concluding sentence!
@Inferno_Chuck most things dont have a conclusive answer, whether they be about science, philosophy, or the human condition. Sure, it's speculative, I'd argue a lot of things are speculative, lots of physics is speculative(for example, what's past the event horizon of a black hole?) But that's why we ask them, because it allows us to think, rationally and creatively. I think avoiding this discussion based on "its speculative, there is no answer" is silly at best, because nothing in philosophy has a concrete answer. And maybe it is a waste of time, I'd argue you writing this was a waste of time, me writing this is a waste of time, being alive is a waste of time. I'd argue in fact, that's speculation is not just a good use of our time, but something we ought to do. You know who Maxwell was yes? Well, he had speculated that, there existed a form of light, with a wavelength longer than infrared, and about 20 years later he was shown to be correct. Speculation can lead to discovery, artistry, or creation. When you accept an answer as true without really questioning it, it can lead to that creativity being destroyed, questioning our existence, our being, it's how we explore those uncomfortable reaches of the mind.
There is no afterlife
@@Evan-k I don't recall ever claiming otherwise, but thank you for being a textbook example of what I'm referring to.
My main point with the "there is no such thing as an afterlife" is that I do think it's a different type of claim than most religious claims.
Like, yes, it is a claim that a person doesn't know for a fact is true. However, it's a pretty reasonable thing to believe as a default, considering we understand that our personalities and experiences of life are all based on our brains, and we know for a fact that brains stop working after death. An afterlife requires a soul completely separate from the brain, which is a really weird proposition that creates a whole other line of questioning.
I'm still not telling religious people there is no god, or that there is no afterlife, or whatever else.
But I do believe that people *should* make decisions based on logic (with emotion in consideration) rather than faith because of the baggage faith can come with. Like, I think it's super neat that an old friend of mine is happy right now, having delved really deep into Christianity. However, I don't especially like that that friend now constantly posts bible quotes including really problematic ones about women not wearing men's clothing and submission and all that. Especially given this friend is bisexual and I know her fiance was abusive to her in the past: it really scares me knowing that she's in deep with a religion that she thinks wants her to submit to her husband's wishes, when said future-husband has SAed her in the past. And you can say that's not a problem with Christianity itself, but the verses are right there.
I don't think religion causes the world's problems, but I do think it causes some. I've been in mental hospitals, and I've met people with religious psychosis or related disorders. Which becomes really difficult to diagnose when it's completely normal to say "yeah I talk to God."
I wouldn't say it causes the world's problems either, but I'd definitely say it makes them worse whenever involved.
How do you reason with someone when they are convinced that their ideas or actions are mandated by some sort of god that is unchallengeable by definition?
As I see it, I won't force anything onto anyone who isn't causing active harm, but even when I grant that religion is helpful to someone I don't see how it is the best way when it comes with so much baggage.
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I love your videos! They talk about what I wonder about and I like your editing and cool intro. I love to watch when I get home from school.
I've basically been an atheist my entire life, but I've grown up with religious grandparents. I think religion has a place in our world. I am unsure in my own beliefs, but I think I still challenge people on when they're being bigoted. I have a friend who is very homophobic and Christian, and I try to explain to them why they shouldn't be homophobic because there's many other Christians who aren't homophobic.
There ARE ways to fight against "christians" without being a reddit atheist. You can counter a lot of conservative arguments against being gay by bringing up the fact that Jesus saved an adulterer from being stoned to death by reflecting the crowd's sins to them. And despite being the only one qualified to do so, he just simply told her not to do it again. If something as terrible as cheating can be forgiven, the more trivial sins can be too, right?
Hell, being gay is another form of being born into sin. Literally everyone is born into sin. Being a perfect saint is literally impossible, so the next best thing to do is to do right by God and your peers in the ways that you're able to, right?
Not all ideas are created equal. Reality is important. Truth is important even if it hurts. Logic, reasoning, and science are important.
Atheism simply has stronger backing than christianity, islam or any other of the main religions. It isn't being a jerk or a "reddit atheist" to point out the hard truth that religion is not true.
Really?
no as an atheist i think you should just let people believe in things that help them and aren't harmful to them or others around them. really no one knows what'll happen after death
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
@@shadowyctMagical thinking is the reason the far right is successful, so yes, believing in unprovable bs is objectively a net negative
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1. This is an extreme thing to say. We live in a post-truth world where people do not believe in big bang, vaccines, evolution, climate change, etc. Part of this is because there is a ridiculous idea that truth doesn't exist , that everybody knows what they are talking about and that all ideas are created equal . By saying "people believe in things that help them and aren't harmful to them or others around them" you are directly playing into a culture that disregards reasoning, evidence, and scientific thinking. Feels over reals is an extremely dangerous idea.
2. Something can be wrong based on principles even if it doesn't directly hurt someone. Being a peeping tom who doesn't get caught doesn't hurt anyone, but is a disgusting thing to do because it violates consent. Principles, and virtues should be taken into account in ethical behavior instead of reducing all morals to consequences. Believing in the flat earth might not hurt anyone, but it is still something people should not do even though that belief can be comforting. According to your logic round-earth denialism is ok. Ridiculous.
As an atheist, I’m so so so sorry for everyone who acts like this. Like literally why does it even affect you?? Just let people believe what they want as long as it isn’t hurtful.
OMG FINALLY SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT THIS!!!!!
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
I feel like a lot of the Atheists who think they’re better have this mindset or experience come from the anti-intellectualism that has been pushed in a lot of modern Christianity, especially with Evangelicals. A lot of modern Christianity has become “don’t question, just believe”-even though Christianity ENCOURAGES you to question everything and still return to the Truth. I’m heavily religious, and i am a skeptic. I have studied all major belief systems, and as many branches of Christianity as possible. I think people SHOULD do this. Blind belief will never get you anywhere. I’m from the Bible Belt-i can confirm that so many Christians are *very* against learning things, and its super sad. Nobody writes 7000 page theology books anymore, nobody preaches complicated theological sermons anymore, nobody’s properly Catechized anymore…and its our fault! Even in the Catholic Church, which used to be FILLED with intellectuals! So many of the GREATEST ones came from the Church! I thank you SO MUCH for bringing up the relationship with religion and science !!! So many Catholic priests were scientists and the Catholic Church has probably done more for science than any other religion (although Islam is definitely a close second) and debatably institution. The old Catholic Catechisms also teach that Catholics are supposed to believe ALL science unless it goes directly against your religion.
Also!! You mentioned Halloween- Halloween is a Catholic holiday (Hallowtide, a 3 day span which includes All Hallows Eve, All Saint’s Day, and All Soul’s Day) and i celebrate it and think all Christians should. :3 i also believe in ghosts but…uhh a lot of people will disagree with me there.
I feel like everyone is valid no matter what you believe or what you don’t believe.
I believe we evolved to need religion but we just need new better religions.
I'm an atheist, raised atheist, and I have a hard time respecting most religions altogether. I can't bring myself to respect Hinduism, Islam, and Christianity, for example, because of the innately harmful beliefs. You can't separate them from the religion when the majority supports it. The mere idea of "sin" or the explicit discrimination against certain people groups in these faiths is enough for me to think they're harmful. Seeking converts in the case of Christianity and Islam, so much so that non-believers are heavily censored in some societies. I'm not against a vague spirituality or deism -- believe in a higher power or afterlife, that's fine by me. I'm against this idea of claiming to understand what an all-powerful god wants. Not to mention the actions of Christians and Muslims throughout history and today.
Additionally, most morals derived through religion have secular means to realize them, that predate modern religion altogether. I'm an existentialist, secular philosophies are often more ethical than theistic ones.
Sorry, long tangent here.
This doesn't mean I agree with harming Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc... I'm more than happy to engage with them, but I'm not gonna suck up to their beliefs that preach I'd end up in hell, or that I possess some unquantifiable essence such as "sin". I'll admit my bias as a lifelong atheist, a student studying natural sciences, and a transgender person.
As an atheist, I agree with all of this. Love ur buds
I loved this video and fully agree with what your saying. People should be able to believe in what they want without belittlement for their choice. As long as they do it safely and aren’t harming anyone they should be able to practice whatever they believe in. Also with your point about the hammer analogy I agree. It’s the people who exploit religion to be malicious and distasteful who are a bigger problem not the religion itself. Your friend sounds really cool for the tarot card stuff I haven’t got the chance to ever learn about tarot cards but they sound cool. I’ll end my comment with a general statement to everyone by saying everyone should feel safe to practice their beliefs and no one is wrong for having a belief that doesn’t line up with yours.
I'm atheist and raised atheist, and I find it so weird how atheists mock religion. like i get irritated at all of the christian stuff i see here, but i wouldn't go up to someone and tell them their faith isnt real lol!! can we all just respect eachother please
i feel like agnostics are USUALLY the nicest
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I just wanted to give a small tip to your videos more accessible & more helpful. Including timestamps for different topics/sub topics may be more helpful to digest the video properly (since your average videos are quite heavy & contain complex subjects) and, give more clarity & structure to your videos.
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I'm an atheist, and my philosophy about spirituality is that as long as it's not harming anyone, do whatever the hell you want. I do find some of it a little cringe, but it's the kinda thing I just keep to myself.
You shouldn't try to force your religious beliefs on others, and that includes the lack of any.
Good video overall :), I think you used a strawman argument or two when implying atheists think the only problem with the world is religion which varies from person to person so maybe it’s just the type of person you were talking about. I broadly agree with your points about atheists often being uncaring to the human experience.
Nevertheless The dangers with even a person safely practicing religion in private are less pronounced than with full on organised religion, however as an atheist with a coherent moral framework the answer to me is simple: religion, regardless of its organisational structure creates a framework for morality and society not based in reality.
As an atheist it is important to me that people base their moral frameworks and values on the material world. Rather than using religious text as a framework for morality they should be looking into what creates and what minimises suffering and what creates happiness rather than what will get them to heaven. Focusing on the afterlife in my opinion leads to a devaluation or an overvaluation of the material life because the afterlife is for eternity what happens here either matters so much the tiniest sin will lead to hell or so little that we can let the world burn so we may acquire salvation in heaven, a lot of Christian’s constantly predict the rapture and others have immense anxiety over going to hell. Regardless of the religion the valuation of the material world and our life’s is changed (it varies a lot so this argument is mainly against Christianity cause I know more about it) and often it is made less, that is why I believe it is important to challenge the belief of even those who practice religion quietly because I believe it gives or permits them a morality that is less based in reality, and if applied when voting or interpersonally, will lead to worse outcomes. This is not the only reason I have for wanting people to not follow religion but I think this is a pretty solid argument alone.
I agree An issue with many atheists is that they (though I’ve done this a bit myself in the past) tend to tear into religion without reason other than “it’s bad/wrong”, they simply do it for the sake of feeling smarter than people who believe in religion and i think that is a big part of the problem. Additionally Without their own philosophical framework to fill the hole of religion they won’t really get anywhere. Religion needs a replacement in the lives of many people, for instance you spoke about the comfort many people get from their spirituality. I have my own philosophies and opinions on reality but I’ve yapped long enough, the point is that the type of atheist you’re complaining about doesn’t really argue for their view of the world and is just belittling religion rather than displaying why you should follow a different set of values that will bring you the same meaning as religion.
I'm atheist, though sometimes atheistic Satanism seems cool and I feel like it aligns with my beliefs, and I found witchcraft and I think it's pretty neat and I might be a baby witch. Though I still consider myself a science and logic-oriented person. But I don't go around insulting other religious or spiritual beliefs. I actually think some are pretty interesting.
I'm catholic, and I believe that religion and atheism, as well as everything in between, are good. But they are unable to flourish in an environment that fosters hostility and tribalism. No religious person truly understands their faith if they see freedom of belief as an attack on their faith. Likewise, no atheist person can enjoy life if they are scared that every religion will develop into a societal cancer and cause World War 3. Many leaders have worked hard to build this notion that it's "us vs them" or that "we are under attack", and it genuinely harms our brains.
Live your life, have some compassion, and always keep in mind that it could be you on the receiving end of the words you direct to others.
As someone who isn’t religious but prefers not to put a label on it, these people are why. I don’t wanna be associated with people who go after others for being religious or even existing and practicing their faith in peace. I think religion can be a beautiful thing (key word CAN be) and I’ve know people changed for the better due to their faith. It’s okay to not believe in a god or whatever but I don’t think you should make it everyone else’s problem. My whole rule is as long as you aren’t hurting anyone or yourself I don’t see a problem and these atheist are clearly hurting people telling others that their religion is a fraud. Let people live, if you can find something that makes life worth living I think that’s wonderful
This video really highlights how pooly thought out your opinions can be. So many sweeping generalizations, fallcies, and straight up untruths.
We're in a time where we should be smart enough to separate well researched videos from opinion pieces like this one. Pointing at a loud minority and making generalizations is genuinely very scummy.
Makes me wonder what other uninformed points were brought up in older videos here. Either way, easily deserves an unsub.
As an atheist, this is super based. I dislike Christianity because of the effects it had on old Norse culture, the effects it has on young impressionable men when used as moral high ground, and the lording of some *specific* Christians as a holier than thou argument. But I strongly disagree with hating all Christianity non discriminatly. Also it took me until this video to realize the text says “ me talking” and not “metal king”
All religions are
I actually have the opposite stance. I respect the people and so don't go up just to belittle them or belittle them at all. I only give my arguments when asked or if I see harmful behaviors being justified by religion.
However, religion itself isn't something I can just say I'm cool with. There are just too many ideas that are unhelpful at best and harmful at worst that come from religion and religious practices.
Just for clarity sake, I am being a bit hyperbolic when I say religion is never useful/helpful. Rather that even when it is there were other solutions that don't come with the baggage that religion does.
@ I agree with you that religion does have a lot of unnecessary/harmful practices, and I understand not being okay with religion, but I think the core idea of creating community through morals is not that bad of a concept. 100% a lot of religious authority figures have and do manipulate others to gain power, be it financial gain or social standing (ex mega church pastors) and that is awful
@@arnavkhare-p2m Giving the benefit of the doubt, yes, the idea of religion can be a tool to achieve those things. However
A) No, the harm doesn't come from just those individuals. Besides the fact that other individuals ALREADY baked problems into the founding principles and ideas as time goes on (blasphemy, for example), just the idea of a "higher power" meddling is already a can of ethical worms. Especially as there will always be individuals that WILL let that do the thinking for them. Instead a system that discourages that would be ideal and isn't unrealistic.
B) There are just better tools to do that that don't make claims that can't be backed up, and that you don't end up in situations where you can't reason with someone because they think a higher entity has commanded it. Plus all the other problems that people have spent years trying to argue about religion.
I don't think we'll ever have a fool proof system, but we certainly can and should strive for a better a concept(s) to make morals and laws around.
I am atheist and am glad this does get called out. Like all groups, there’s bigots that are louder than others that misrepresent the whole. I have met many kind Christians despite my strong beliefs being against their own. Some Christians or Muslims have their own bigoted ideas that maybe I never gave god the chance or maybe I wasn’t a believer anyway. Because apparently no one in their right mind would discover god and abandon him right?
But nonetheless, religion is something personal. It’s natural for humans to question the world around us, some have come to the conclusion of monotheistic gods, polytheistic, or a plethora of others. I truly do not care if someone is religious. It’s another thing to force someone to believe in it.
And I do engage in blasphemy from time to time. I’m not going to respect any ‘God’ that has been the reason for mindless bloodshed, misogyny/femicide, or anything else that hurts mankind. I have strong opinions on organized religions because often in general, it can cause more harm than good as shown in history. People should keep their beliefs to themselves, your personal religion has no sovereignty or autonomy over any other human being than their own
The problem with religion is when people replace it with science. But yeah if someone is on their death bed or is struggling in life maybe telling them “gods not real” isn’t okay in any way.
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
how is replacing religion with science a bad thing? science is objective fact. Yeah, don't be a dick about what others believe, but if we're talking about proven science and you think its not true because of religion, you're just wrong.
Theres a difference between an atheist saying science proves god isn't real (it doesn't) and science proving that evolution is real (it does). You can be religious or spiritual and still observe objective scientific fact.
@@Zectifinthey said it’s a problem when you replace science with religion. Not the other way around
Why is telling them "god is real" ethical?
@@mazhiang_dishia_ That's not what they said... "I like pancakes" does not mean "I hate waffles."
This is actually so true😭 as an unproud atheist with a superiority complex im very weird abt religion. I like to say that i accept all religion but i hold prejudice against some christian ppl based on stereotypes and uhmmm THOSE conservatives (im an lgbtq+ teen). As much as i try to keep my mind open i think some organized religion and their rules are stupid and i js dont rlly like it. Ik im hypocritical by saying i support religion but also kinda hate on it and i dont have an excuse for it except that im lwk a hater. Its not something im proud of but idk anymore. I mean i have a very religious grandma and i love and respect her so so much but idk how to feel abt her christianity. Ig as long as someones not pushing their religion onto me and/or using it to defend some goofy ahh beliefs (like gay ppl suck and abortion is murder) then im chill with it.
This is so real. I respect all religions, but if I encounter a hardcore Christian I'm a bit skeptical and nervous about whether they're a cool regular Christian or a bigot. It sucks that so many Christians turn out to be bigots, because I really don't want to associate that religion with bigotry.
i find it hard to say i respect all religions. like, no, i don't respect the base forms of the main 3 Abrahamic religions. they're awful, and people who follow them by the book are awful. they treat anyone who 'steps out of line' like shit. i can't bring myself to respect that.
i respect a very specific type of religious person. namely, one that doesn't force their beliefs on others when they did not ask (too many of them fail to not do this). they don't respect my beliefs, why should i respect theirs?
I'm seeing things that aren't real and it's driving me crazy
@ville-c4u Ville! Long time no see, troll. I feel like it's been over a year since I've seen your spammed comments lol.
@BaofuTheCanonicalPersonaHater I don't respect religions AT ALL but I definitely respect people. If my friend is happy being Christian and not hurting anyone in any way, I low it and let them have fun.
Yeah, as an atheist, some of my peers are kind of jerks.
Actually, take out the ‘kind of’, they slander people.
as an atheist, believe in what you want. why should *I* care about you going to church?- evolution is much more likely imo, but I'd love to have a lovely discussion ab why I believe so, and for you to tell me more ab what you believe ^^
Edit: I also do christian traditions like going to church for easter, christmas, stuff like that (because it's fun and why should you overthink ab every holiday when it's a reason to be happy??-)
No one cares
I put Atheists with a superiority complex on the same level of annoying as people who force their religion on others. It's possible to believe what you want without being a jerk about it.
As a bisexual and autistic Christian guy I can confirm that this stuff is dumb
Same as an autistic atheist.
4:55 beliefs, but also interests. People are so mean for no reason when a person has a hobby they find cringy or something. Like why do you feel the need to diss something the moment someone says they’re passionate about it?
Upbringing and dissociation. Not that this is excusable, nor am I innocent from this.
I guess it’s like watching flat earthers… or antivaxers… or people who litter. Sure, that one person won’t hurt others… but when so many people start acting on that then things get messy and do hurt and hinder others.
I guess believe in the tooth fairy if you want… but that does make it real… I love fiction, I love learning about fantastical worlds and concepts… but that doesn’t change how huge and expansive reality actually is. We understand more every day, it’s hardly close minded. It may not be an elegant as an eternal heaven, but there is vast information and research that is continually growing based on the new information that is definitely showing how religious texts are stories and not real. It’s not a dark really. It’s almost more wonderful to see things when rooted in reality. If that makes me an a-hole, ok. I’m sorry that’s what ruins your sense of wonder or hope. There is so much more to base that stuff on.
Oh no, apology not needed. What you just stated is just your own thoughts and opinions, not reality whatsoever. And I am sorry if that makes me a jerk, but someone needs to break your bubble. Be happy living in your own head 😂
@@napoleonbonapart430 "Not reality whatsoever"
They are correct though.
Just because you believe in something and that something makes you feel good, doesn't mean we should approve or tolerate it.
Anti-vaxxers believe and feel good about not taking vaccines, using home remedies that at best do nothing and at worse make their health worse, not talking about the actual danger they pose to the people around them when they spread diseases that have long since been combated and eradicated.
Flat-earthers actively make science efforts more difficult by turning everything into a conspiracy theory while actively dismissing actual proof.
And I am sorry if that makes ME a jerk, but you're just straight up full of yourself, actual Napoleon complex over here.
idk but whenever someone has lipstick on only their upper lip I can only see it as a moustache... its weird
( weird that I do that, not the lipstick )
J. Jonah Jameson mustache
Okay, as a Christian I have an idea.
How about we blame and hold people in religions and non-religions accountable for their own actions and NOT the entire religion or non-religion unless it's inherently problematic by today's ethics? Huh? Truly mind boggling stuff.
Because their systems protect in-groupers because It Benefits Them To Do So. Like who knows what they doing with the stolen babies from spanish hospitals that *Do Not* end up getting adopted.
As a Christian, how about you stop 'believing' that all non-Christians will be sent to the subterranean eternal torture chamber. It may be the WORST thing one human could possibly think about another. And it's getting SOOOOOOOOO old. The Catholic Church had paid out over FOUR BILLION dollars in sexual abuse settlements to date. And that's likely just a tiny fraction of the victims throughout history. And for what??? Some narcissistic god who has Mommy issues? He watches you always? Judges you? Sounds like an abusive husband.
Also, Jesus fulfilled precisely ZERO prophecies. He also blatantly lied more than once.
Hard to do when a certain group of people own everything
@@justaturky2890 Don't be a baby and say what you want to say already
Yes definitely hold people accountable for their actions. But also I have opinions on religions and other beliefs and I don't see a problem with that.
Great thay you talk about this! I am Christian and i love Christian/occult art history. I find these people goul-ish. The big thing i fin is that: "can you say that to a jew withou it coming off of antisemitic?"
Yeah I agree. The best way to usually go in life for me at least is live and let live. As long as something isn't imoral/illegal and harming someone why bother trying to force your beliefs
Yes, I completely agree, many people have said that my beliefs are false, such as using apocryphal books (I am a Gnostic Christian). You know, it hurts when I hear people saying that I believe In a sky daddy, spirituality completes me, and gives me strength to evolve as a human being, I believe that each person has their own vision of the world and it should be respected😊
You need to make an April fools day video where you put "Me trolling" instead of "Me talking"😂
As an athiest who grew up as a cristian, i dont care what anybody believes, my family and basically anybody i know are christian. I even act christian around people just to avoid being an asshole or destroying people's hope (i hope im wrong about athiesm btw)
If you unplug someone from The Matrix obviously they're gonna get withdrawal.
Same goes for me.
I dont hope so, heaven sounds like 1984 and the alternative is the entity that loves you most condemning you to eternal suffering for not complying to the dogma of a select culture...no thanks
I appreciate the conversation thats happening. Its bringing a lot of different people together, which is comendable despite the faulty premise for this video.
this video does miss an exceptional amount of nuance including understanding what it's arguing for or against
How?
My parents are Christian and I’m Athiest/Agnostic/idk, and they always celebrated Halloween as well as Easter and Christmas.
Atheist here. Agree 100%
I actually like the tarot cards thing, one time at the classroom and there was this girl reading people's cards. Aparentaly my life was boring at the time 😅 not a lie tho. But i do enjoy my time now so i think its fine
Also, im glad i didnt fell into the type of atheist who only goes around trying to disproove every religion. Honestly i only have a problem if it says something like "because of my religion, we should-" and thats were it gets to me. "Your religion not mine" is my response.
But hey if someone whats to bless me or pray for, i dont know a nice 2025 i am glad
OKAY THANK YOU. my whole family doesn’t really believe in anything and are atheists(although I’d consider myself agnostic now that I know the definition. I don’t believe but I don’t disbelieve either) but my dad is STRONG atheist. He says stuff like “you know what you guys can believe in your comic book character just keep him out of my face” and “if you need an eye in the sky to prevent you from doing bad stuff then go for it but I think it’s dumb.” And NOW I know how to snap back at him to stop saying that stuff. Like let them believe in whatever they want?! Who KNOWS if there’s some higher power or not. Geez
I grew up in a Christian family one of my uncles is a priest, and I was always brought to his church. I got into the religion for a petty thing, I would say. I was scared of death, and when one of my grandmothers died, My six-year-old self questioned, "Why do people have to die? "Why can't people live forever?" I also went into religion for me to be more loved by my abusive mother, but It never went that route. It only has gotten worse, as I've gotten older I questioned the whole concept of a god. "How are people under God supposed to be pure and faithful, but at the same time could be so terrible to their own son?" And then turn their back and act like this person who is pure and kind. Because of all of this, I have lost faith in anything, and I still have problems with it. Even though I was looked at differently by my entire family and thought of as someone who wasn't aware that something was wrong with me. I don't dislike religion, but how people exploit it, people who will restrict creativity because of some writing. Or even to the point where people are just extremely hateful towards a group of people because it goes against their beliefs or anything like that. I have religious friends, and I get jealous of them having so much faith. Or just in general, religion or not.
8:04 I have a problem with that. Alot of communitys create a sense of stability and meaning. Religious communitys do that to, maybe quite well even, but you are repeating a christian cotcha strawman. There are many communitys and imaginary friends for that sake that can create that feeling. They might be based in cold rationality. But cold rationality itself is not a community or a person you can (think you) talk to. As such this is just a very unfitting comparisson.
You do good videos. But please do better here.
You're confusing theism for religion, or more accurately god belief theism for religion.
To put a finer point on it, my religion has an atheist version of it. They are still the same religion despite being atheists. Religion is more than just theism, and theism is more than just god belief. Not to play the "atheism is a religion" trope, I'm not saying that, to be clear. Religions can be Orthodoxic like Christianity or they can be orthopraxic and either is fine.
Saying "religion gives my life meaning" can but does not necessarily mean "theism gives my life meaning" the same way an athlete might say "sports give my life meaning" but they don't literally mean they live and die for baseball, it's all the things that go around and come with it, and baseball or sport or in this case religion is a shorthand for it.
@stevenhuntley8706 To adress that I added the imaginary friend line.
@@insert-name-here6777 you've missed the point again, friend. There is no "imaginary friend" if someone is participating in an atheist religion. You're too focused on the god belief part of religion. It's not just god belief. I don't mean atheist in the sense of "god, but he's not actually a god" or "no to gods but yes to spirits", I mean an atheist participating in religion. Someone who does not believe in disembodied spirits of any power, let alone great power. Someone who doesn't believe in ghosts or in demons or in djinn or in jotnar or in the pharaohs curse, though you should still return the slab, tbh. 😉
@@stevenhuntley8706 I still dont know what you mean. I am sorry.
My original point was that everything you get from religion/theism is not inherently only possible through that and can have origin of maybe not directly non religion and atheism but is also not not possible with those.
Non religion and atheism just has nothing to do with those and as such, its not correct to equate it like she did in the video.
I dont really see how you post matters to that in any way.
@insert-name-here6777 I'm agreeing that what you get out of religion isn't only possible through religion, but you get more from religion than theology. Those things you too can get from non-religion. I'm not saying religion has exclusivity on anything, it does not. I'm saying there are, however, other things besides theology or god belief or belief in the supernatural at all. Some people find value in that, some don't, and both are fine and dandy as long as the boat isn't sinking.
12:25 The problem here is the oversimplification of the argument. Sadly alot of atheists might do that. The actual reason and use of this argument is when the logical system contradicts itself. Aka in this case a all-loving, all-powerful god. As such this only works on a variation of the abrahamic god. You now generialising it to all religion is - im sorry - just a strawman.
Again, you can do better.
12:38 True Free will for example is not possible in a logic system where a all-knowing agent exists.
@@insert-name-here6777How so? Aside from quantum mechanics, observation has no effect on outcome
@@Sigma90985 The idea of a observer in this context is merely superstitious but even if we allow the presupposition, which god? It certainly can't be any gods of the world religions since they're depicted as interfering agents.
@@Sigma90985 First of all I dont think there is "True free will". Although we are resposible for our choices, in theory the chemical reactions in our brains are predetermined.
If a god knows what you are going to do is it really free that will? Because it seems kinda predetermined.
But sure. Free Will still exists in the sense how I think of it, us just beeing resposible for our actions. But in the way I see theists often talk about it, like it can not be predetermined (what I call True free will), is impossible.
At 11:46, While I understand the point that you were trying to make, (comparing Fascism & Communism as extreme, polar-opposite ends of the spectrum like Theism & Atheism,) the idea that Fascism is exploited by those in power to do harm in the same way that Stalin called his tyranny 'Communism,' thus condemning the concept for the next hundred years is absolutely absurd. Because while the entire basis of Communism is supposed to be equality, the entire basis of Fascism is that one group is inherently superior and deserves all of the power. That the 'Other' groups having equal rights, power and even existing at all is the cause of all of society's problems, and that therefore, the solution to all of the problems is to strip 'The Other' of their power and rights and remove them from society through mass deportations and the other thing that will get this comment flagged.
In short in fact, while Communism preaches that oppression is bad, meaning that all so-called 'Communist' Governments have flown in the face of the defining concept of Communism, Fascism preaches that oppressing most people is actually a good thing, meaning that people like Trump & Hitler were/are doing exactly what the average Fascist wants them to do. So although once again, I completely understand the point that you were trying to make, I hope that you now understand how you couldn't possibly have made a worse comparison, lol. Like comparing Atheists to Religious Fundamentalists who believe that they are God's chosen people and literally want to unalive anyone who doesn't follow their dogma to the letter.
I was looking for this comment, I know she was criticizing both systems but even giving justification to fascism and seeing it as a similar extreme to communism is giving fascism way too much credit
And compare religious fundamentalists who want to eradicate other religions to atheists who want to erase all religions and you find a comparison, now do you understand you dolt? Stop with the victim mindset
As an atheist, yes you're ignorant for being religious, you believe in magic
I feel like the lack of philosophy in alot of people's lives makes them think that life isn't a subjective thing
Can I have some examples?
@Kitsune2Megafan1086 I'm not a expert in the subject but alot of different philosophies preach that different things are the most important in life, like some old greek philosophers ( I think Aristoteles ) preached that discussion were the most fudamental things in social life. I think philosophy doesn't get as much attention with it like not being something required in schools because of it not being something that's useful to most jobs, atleast that's what people seem to think Ig
6:20 This reminds me of one scene in a podcast i listen to where the main character is trying to get help from his religious father in-law.
It turns into heartfelt reconciliation between them as the main character learns to speak to his father's religious beliefs without belittling him.
I like your neutrality about this.
And yes this is true as an agnostic atheist.
I agree with the overall message of the video, I think using Newton as an example of a religious scientist isn't a good argument. He was a product of his time. Everyone was under the rule of the Catholic church in the 1700's. I know plenty of religious scientists. My biology professor that taught me evolution was a christian. They can coexist. Its when fundementalists take their faith to the most literal levels. Like the Earth being made in 7 days level. (I understand the irony that I have 666 in my name lol) I have a problem with religious doctrine being on the same level as scientific theory and proven facts. Like Oklahoma and Texas forcing teachers to read form the bible in science classrooms is wrong. Creationism is not on the same level as any proven scientific theory. It requires faith. A theory does not require faith. Ask the 9/11 jumpers if they had did not believe in the theory of gravity. I don't have a problem with anyone's personal beliefs but I have a problem when the institutions weaponizing their beliefs, try to destroy the clear separation of church and state.
Nope, this is a ridiculous argument. Newton was religious just as Einstein was a Jew, not ‘product of their time’. By that logic all scientists today are just products of their time
@@napoleonbonapart430 They are though, we all are.
A scientist in the 1500s could not have as much insight or fundamental knowledge of whatever matter of science that we have today.
Same thing goes for any area, you in the 1700s would not have access to as much literature, studies and general knowledge like we have today.
We all are products of our time.
@@nattythepanda4692 I'm saying that everybody in Newton's time was Catholic. He didn't have a choice