I don't know, man... By making an extra inlet for cool air, they changed the airflow. I can imagine this having an effect on the SSD temperature and the VRM's that are under the heat shield, since there is less airflow now.
im sure Jsaux know what they are doing and was aware of this, your comment was 10months ago and there has been no problems since then so im guessing this product is good lol
there is a reason valve did not put vents right over the top of the fan they need that airflow to go over other components from where the actual vents are at this design will increase temps there with no airflow. Better design would be like the old one but use actual slightly thicker copper with ridges and a much smaller high quality thermal pad that only covers the apu to leave as much space under there.
@@scaryifliteral not sure what you mean did you measure ssd and other components like memory temps? that would give full picture of what is actually happening.
@@scaryifliteral I think it would require you to measure temps for other components such as VRM power delivery SSD temp, micro SD temps. The only temps measured here is the CPU. There are lots of other components that rely on some cooling to function properly and they all sit under the backplate which now receives less airflow.
Still wish they would make these and the previous backplates in a solid black to match the Steam Deck, I love the idea, but don't love that 90's see thru plastic aesthetic. Aside from that my one concern would be on the SSD thermals since I know Valve said the reason they designed in the way they did was to help cool the SSD, this though would almost entirely remove airflow from over the SSD, and I do remember when Linus Tech Tips had the very early preview at Valve he brought a FLIR camera and there was quite a bit of heat coming from the SSD/modem area.
I agree on the color. I'd also have loved to get a plain black backplate. (And I agree on the SSD thermal. I'd be interested to see someone measuring the heat across the SD, see if it's safe)
Been looking for a video or even an actual opinion from someone who actually got the new vent version! Thanks a lot for this mate! Edit: just got yourself a new sub/fan! Keep up the nice work! Wont go unnoticed 😊
Hi Shane, thanks for the video, I do have some concerns, which may be repeating what others have said, Gamers Nexus did a test where they removed the backplate entirely and it lowered the SoC temperature, but as a result of no backplate, there wasn't air directed to other important components, like the charging circuit, and that resulted in it getting hotter. I don't know if you have the equipment to test for these concerns, it was getting quite hot so it's worth at least being aware of.
I wouldn't expect this to be a huge problem. The fan doesn't run when the deck is plugged in charging with the screen off, which at least for me is how it charges 99% of the time. So during charging not in use there should be no difference. If you're plugged in going full throttle in a demanding game it might affect it, but if the other components that produce heat are getting it out of the case quicker, then the charging circuit should in theory again be unaffected in any major way.
But the question here is, why didn't Valve themselves put holes directly on top of the fan? I'm pretty sure they have tons of people working on the design, and I highly doubt this is a design oversight. So, why didn't Valve just put on a couple of vents/holes directly on top of the fan? Maybe there's a reason for that.
But... You now have just measured the APU temps. (CPU/GPU) What about the temps for the SSD, VRMs, RAM, etc that are now basically devoid of negative air pressure having air flown over them? Can you test those as well?
As the others have already pointed out, this back plate design actually hurts the device. The original design relies on airflow over the ram chips, charger IC and other mobo ICs. With this back plate the air has a direct path to the fan, therefore bypassing other areas, which will overheat, reducing their lifespan. And the observed lower temps on the SoC is bad as well because the system will reduce the fan speed, chocking the mobo components even more.
while the apu temperature is better because the heatsink which is after the cooling fan is getting fresh air from the new vent holes it does reduce internal air flow over the ssd and voltage regulation area of the board and i am worried about that causing issues with longevity.
I would be interested in vrm ssd and charging area temps both on and off the charger with this new backplate vs the old jsaux or stock deck back plate.
Yes this was what I was thinking. The existing vent draws air across the APU, RAM, SSD, VRM and other components. So the APU will run cooler but other components will likely run hotter because of this.
Design improvements for backplates should focus on heat dissipation with current airflow route instead of altering it and messing up the cooling of other components such as the votage regulator which is known to reach close to 100C. Not worth it
I have the older version of this shell and recently finally installed it. First thing i notice is the deck runs hotter even on windows, the fan just runs louder than usual, and I encounter screen freeze once. After watching this video i notice they did cut some of the thermal pad away which I figure the old thermal pad must be blocking some air flow to internal component. I did the same thermal pad cut like the v2 version, and immediately notice deck not running as loud, also the backplate no longer crazy hot
Solid review...thanks! Could you also comment on how it does along with the JSAUX cooling fan? Especially the "new" fan that comes with the built-in stand...it looks like it may end up covering the new vent a bit?
unlike the original back plate... the changed airflow should be fine. WHY? Because the heat from the board that was gettin transferred to the air flowing is instead getting transferred to the aluminum plate. EVEN if it is covered with plastic now, the increased surface area of that metal plate that dissipates that heat onto the plastic then the environment will make up for whats supposed to be the board plate in contact with flowing air with the original back plate... VRMs are gonna be fine unlike what gamers nexus test show. WHY? same reason as above... another point is that there are more places where the board dissipates heat rather than the fan alone edit: added "environment"
We need more testing. What about a temp and noise test WITH the Jsaux case protector on etc. Also the potential dust that the aperture will bring in idk if is worth the $30
Almost into the new year. How is the backplate holing up? Subbed and liked as well 😁 I have a chinese knockoff backplate with extra vent holes for the vrm's and it is keeping cool with both apu and vrm's. I am curious to see if this held up compared to the usual user that their stock back plate burns their vrm's out naturally. Basically 1/3 people it happened to for stock.
Yeah but it also means, over time, the fan will have become more dusty and you'll need to remove it and open it from time to time to clean it so the fan doesn't lose efficiency. Happened with a win600 i had, within 3 months the fan was already suffering from all the dirt/dust inside it. Now i understand why they opt for the enclosed "style".
I think that will be a minimal problem. You may have to pop it apart once a year for a quick clean. Not too bad for the trade off of cooler temps. If you're worried about consequences over time from use I would be more concerned about heat than dust
That's unavoidable in any case because the original grill doesn't actually filter any dust in the air. You will collect more dust simply because of the better air flow which is exactly what we want.
I currently have the old jsaux backplate. I am thinking about pairing it with the jsaux fan. Would you recommend getting the fan or upgrading to the new backplate?
what about the "charging circuits" ? are they getting cooled? I am worried that the fan opening limits the air that moves over the circuits near the SSD.
Would that new vent be blocked if you used their modular case? But looking at other comments about it stopping airflow through the ssd etc that might actually be a good thing..
I installed this backplate (with the vent) and i had crashes in games after 2-3 mins. my guess is that it changed the airflow and the other componets that are not monitored got really hot and this caused issues. Sure the GPU temp was lower but what's the point ? I'm now back to the original backplate and everyting is working fine.
will this work as well as the last one with the external coolers? i use one while in dock mode or handheld mode so that's one thing that would be curious to me.
im intrested in buying this new jsaux back plate but my case have the stand in middle of it and will cover the intake fan,any other case that didnt cover this jsaux new back plate?plz help
It took a while, but I can't say specifically because I don't know when they actually shipped it. First message from them to delivery was maybe 3 weeks?
Yeah I’ve been overclocked and undervolted for almost 2 months now. I think the steam deck shines at ATLEAST 22 watts because In my case, 20 watts only gets the gpu at around 1850. Trying to get to 2000. Meanwhile the cpu gets very close to 4000 at stock TDP
@shane If you could do this test again and leave the device running for about 1 hour, not 5 minutes like I saw in your video. LTT made a hotrod heatsink and they were initially happy with the results, but after 1h and a few minutes everything was back to its original state. I'm talking about this video th-cam.com/video/-DUWTteit-0/w-d-xo.html
I waited until the temps were no longer moving. If they're not moving after 7 or 8 minutes, they're not moving in an hour either. Saturation is saturation.
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I don't know, man... By making an extra inlet for cool air, they changed the airflow. I can imagine this having an effect on the SSD temperature and the VRM's that are under the heat shield, since there is less airflow now.
im sure Jsaux know what they are doing and was aware of this, your comment was 10months ago and there has been no problems since then so im guessing this product is good lol
The literal video ive been looking for for about 2-3 weeks! Thank you so much!!!
Glad I could help!
there is a reason valve did not put vents right over the top of the fan they need that airflow to go over other components from where the actual vents are at this design will increase temps there with no airflow. Better design would be like the old one but use actual slightly thicker copper with ridges and a much smaller high quality thermal pad that only covers the apu to leave as much space under there.
And yet the exact opposite is what happens
@@scaryifliteralanother comment mentioned ssd thermals, it would be interesting to see how the temperatures in that area of the case were affected
@@scaryifliteral not sure what you mean did you measure ssd and other components like memory temps? that would give full picture of what is actually happening.
@@scaryifliteral I think it would require you to measure temps for other components such as VRM power delivery SSD temp, micro SD temps. The only temps measured here is the CPU. There are lots of other components that rely on some cooling to function properly and they all sit under the backplate which now receives less airflow.
@scaryifliteral are you able to do testing on thermals for VRMs, Memory, SSD, and battery?
Still wish they would make these and the previous backplates in a solid black to match the Steam Deck, I love the idea, but don't love that 90's see thru plastic aesthetic.
Aside from that my one concern would be on the SSD thermals since I know Valve said the reason they designed in the way they did was to help cool the SSD, this though would almost entirely remove airflow from over the SSD, and I do remember when Linus Tech Tips had the very early preview at Valve he brought a FLIR camera and there was quite a bit of heat coming from the SSD/modem area.
I agree on the color. I'd also have loved to get a plain black backplate.
(And I agree on the SSD thermal. I'd be interested to see someone measuring the heat across the SD, see if it's safe)
Been looking for a video or even an actual opinion from someone who actually got the new vent version! Thanks a lot for this mate!
Edit: just got yourself a new sub/fan! Keep up the nice work! Wont go unnoticed 😊
Hi Shane, thanks for the video, I do have some concerns, which may be repeating what others have said, Gamers Nexus did a test where they removed the backplate entirely and it lowered the SoC temperature, but as a result of no backplate, there wasn't air directed to other important components, like the charging circuit, and that resulted in it getting hotter. I don't know if you have the equipment to test for these concerns, it was getting quite hot so it's worth at least being aware of.
I wouldn't expect this to be a huge problem. The fan doesn't run when the deck is plugged in charging with the screen off, which at least for me is how it charges 99% of the time. So during charging not in use there should be no difference. If you're plugged in going full throttle in a demanding game it might affect it, but if the other components that produce heat are getting it out of the case quicker, then the charging circuit should in theory again be unaffected in any major way.
But the question here is, why didn't Valve themselves put holes directly on top of the fan? I'm pretty sure they have tons of people working on the design, and I highly doubt this is a design oversight. So, why didn't Valve just put on a couple of vents/holes directly on top of the fan? Maybe there's a reason for that.
But... You now have just measured the APU temps. (CPU/GPU)
What about the temps for the SSD, VRMs, RAM, etc that are now basically devoid of negative air pressure having air flown over them? Can you test those as well?
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As the others have already pointed out, this back plate design actually hurts the device. The original design relies on airflow over the ram chips, charger IC and other mobo ICs. With this back plate the air has a direct path to the fan, therefore bypassing other areas, which will overheat, reducing their lifespan. And the observed lower temps on the SoC is bad as well because the system will reduce the fan speed, chocking the mobo components even more.
Well, the fan speed is easily fixed, just adjust the fan curve manually with a Decky plugin
while the apu temperature is better because the heatsink which is after the cooling fan is getting fresh air from the new vent holes it does reduce internal air flow over the ssd and voltage regulation area of the board and i am worried about that causing issues with longevity.
this is a good point... I wonder if JSAUX did any testing for SSD temps when designing this. I would hope they did.
I would be interested in vrm ssd and charging area temps both on and off the charger with this new backplate vs the old jsaux or stock deck back plate.
@@gruskoda8511 i would not expect they did this
Yes this was what I was thinking. The existing vent draws air across the APU, RAM, SSD, VRM and other components. So the APU will run cooler but other components will likely run hotter because of this.
I was thinking the same, you fuckrd up the engeeniered Airflow
What about dust situation? I imagine the openings will cause more dust to collect inside the device.
theres a mesh between the openings
Design improvements for backplates should focus on heat dissipation with current airflow route instead of altering it and messing up the cooling of other components such as the votage regulator which is known to reach close to 100C. Not worth it
I have the older version of this shell and recently finally installed it. First thing i notice is the deck runs hotter even on windows, the fan just runs louder than usual, and I encounter screen freeze once. After watching this video i notice they did cut some of the thermal pad away which I figure the old thermal pad must be blocking some air flow to internal component. I did the same thermal pad cut like the v2 version, and immediately notice deck not running as loud, also the backplate no longer crazy hot
Appreciate the vid, I was eyeing that new backplate wondering if was worth the cost. Definitely helped me to decide, gonna snag one.
This is good to know considering I just bought the RGB backplate
Does it fit in the travel case that comes with the Deck?
Solid review...thanks! Could you also comment on how it does along with the JSAUX cooling fan? Especially the "new" fan that comes with the built-in stand...it looks like it may end up covering the new vent a bit?
I had the same question. I think it will cover most of the vent. Which is unfortunate because now have to choose
Thank you for your help in choosing a purchase.
I'm going to buy it now.
unlike the original back plate... the changed airflow should be fine. WHY? Because the heat from the board that was gettin transferred to the air flowing is instead getting transferred to the aluminum plate. EVEN if it is covered with plastic now, the increased surface area of that metal plate that dissipates that heat onto the plastic then the environment will make up for whats supposed to be the board plate in contact with flowing air with the original back plate... VRMs are gonna be fine unlike what gamers nexus test show. WHY? same reason as above... another point is that there are more places where the board dissipates heat rather than the fan alone
edit: added "environment"
Is there going to be a negative back pressure on this? Do you think this design is better than without the vent hole?
I was hoping that you showed the before and after with the default fan curve under load to see if the RPM's were lower overall = less fan noise.
It was very useful, bro!
How is the new backplate with the jsaux cooling fan?
We need more testing. What about a temp and noise test WITH the Jsaux case protector on etc. Also the potential dust that the aperture will bring in idk if is worth the $30
love it. i definitely buying this. Hate the stickimg out thermal which hot to touch!
Almost into the new year. How is the backplate holing up? Subbed and liked as well 😁 I have a chinese knockoff backplate with extra vent holes for the vrm's and it is keeping cool with both apu and vrm's. I am curious to see if this held up compared to the usual user that their stock back plate burns their vrm's out naturally. Basically 1/3 people it happened to for stock.
Yeah but it also means, over time, the fan will have become more dusty and you'll need to remove it and open it from time to time to clean it so the fan doesn't lose efficiency.
Happened with a win600 i had, within 3 months the fan was already suffering from all the dirt/dust inside it. Now i understand why they opt for the enclosed "style".
damn thats a bummer, I was thinking about buying but the dust is pretty bad
I think that will be a minimal problem. You may have to pop it apart once a year for a quick clean. Not too bad for the trade off of cooler temps. If you're worried about consequences over time from use I would be more concerned about heat than dust
That's unavoidable in any case because the original grill doesn't actually filter any dust in the air. You will collect more dust simply because of the better air flow which is exactly what we want.
A half solution is to make a dust filter using a very breathable material.
I currently have the old jsaux backplate. I am thinking about pairing it with the jsaux fan. Would you recommend getting the fan or upgrading to the new backplate?
Why is this the only backplate people do videos on? It's a great video, but I can't find anything on other brands
what about the "charging circuits" ? are they getting cooled? I am worried that the fan opening limits the air that moves over the circuits near the SSD.
Saw another backplate on Amazon with air vents where the thermal plate goes and was wondering if that would work better than the cooling pad ?
Are you still using the stock thermal paste?
i remove like 25% of the left side of the pad on the old jsaux back plate and my temps max out at 75c fan over aroung 4500degree in a 30degree room
Left side meaning the side of the right triggers or left triggers side?
I’m scared this might mess with airflow
I’m thinking I may pick up the old one
Did you put thermal paste on the shell's plate?
Would that new vent be blocked if you used their modular case? But looking at other comments about it stopping airflow through the ssd etc that might actually be a good thing..
Mine sgpuld arrive today, will do repaste with thermalyake yfx at the same time
I installed this backplate (with the vent) and i had crashes in games after 2-3 mins. my guess is that it changed the airflow and the other componets that are not monitored got really hot and this caused issues. Sure the GPU temp was lower but what's the point ? I'm now back to the original backplate and everyting is working fine.
That is very strange. I've been using a back plate like this for months with no issues.
Whats not to like? There`s no RGB!!!🤣
They have an RGB version Coming Soon on their site lol
will this work as well as the last one with the external coolers? i use one while in dock mode or handheld mode so that's one thing that would be curious to me.
also the dust will greatly reduce the performance over time
Seems useful if you dont have a case, but I like my dBrands Killswitch case/accessories. .
How does the new backplate work with their Jsaux fan?
im intrested in buying this new jsaux back plate but my case have the stand in middle of it and will cover the intake fan,any other case that didnt cover this jsaux new back plate?plz help
Does the usb part of the shell sits flush with the body? The old model has an issue where the thermal pad is too thick and pushes the shell out.
U can get the pad thinner with pushing on it with a spoon or something other or roll over with a round thing.
Shoot, i just got the first backplate😢
This is a „Brown” but gray color?
Does this make any difference with the mod case on? I keep it on all the time.
How do you adjust the fan curve using fantastic decky plugin?
What is the noise difference compared to the older version?
The new backplates are quiet.
We need an OLED version
Does the casing have an extra fan?
Does it work for the oled?
You say it won't change framerate but doesn't it afford you headroom to be able to overclock it to get more frames?
Potentially
Sure but the amount of more watts is ridiculous. I went from UV/OC to only UV.
Sadly they didn’t put a filter to the opening
How long was shipping im in the USA don’t know if u are too?
It took a while, but I can't say specifically because I don't know when they actually shipped it. First message from them to delivery was maybe 3 weeks?
i wonder how much lower it would be if the deck wasn't laying on a table
During the tests it was not laying on a table, as you can see in the video
Hate to make an unrelated comment, but uh.. did Unihertz maybe send you another new device to review? maybe..? 😶
Nothing since the luna
@@scaryifliteral Ah dang. Alr well thanks anyway. Keep the other stuff comin then! Your channel is always such a joy to watch
You think this would benefit my overlock ? I can push 20 watts and after 20 minutes I’m at 91-93 degrees
Did you follow a video on the overclock?
Yeah I’ve been overclocked and undervolted for almost 2 months now. I think the steam deck shines at ATLEAST 22 watts because In my case, 20 watts only gets the gpu at around 1850. Trying to get to 2000. Meanwhile the cpu gets very close to 4000 at stock TDP
@shane If you could do this test again and leave the device running for about 1 hour, not 5 minutes like I saw in your video. LTT made a hotrod heatsink and they were initially happy with the results, but after 1h and a few minutes everything was back to its original state.
I'm talking about this video
th-cam.com/video/-DUWTteit-0/w-d-xo.html
I waited until the temps were no longer moving. If they're not moving after 7 or 8 minutes, they're not moving in an hour either. Saturation is saturation.
I like the new design! and always good to say take your microsd card out haha
i hope they do a new model with the metal exposed like the older version :(
is this the same as the new rgb edition....????
More or less
@@scaryifliteral you got the rgb for testing??? wanted to see how it performs as well.. if possible for you of course..
They only sent the one I tested here. IIRC, they should be the same. One just has lights.