One other thing is that Machi’s instincts are always right. So Machi staring at Illumi is a BIG GIVEAWAY. She also knew Gon and Killua were somehow related to Kurapika and Chrollo says he trusts her hunch.
@@AqwDragulum I feel like everyone’s gonna die except Chrollo and Machi. And maybe one or two other members. I feel that the choice to keep the head of the spider alive (in Yorknew arc) is going to lead to the death of the overall spider
I have a theory that Illumi and Hisoka kind of made an agreement with eachother beforehand but I don’t think it’s an agreement to kill eachother. I believe the agreement was to help Hisoka take down the troupe while being able to keep Kalluto safe and out of harms way. I think the only reason Illumi joined was to get Kalluto out of the troupe. As twisted as the Zoldycks are I truly believe there is some brotherly love between them. That, or Illumi was instructed by Silva or Zeno to get Kalluto out of the group and since Hisoka declared the troupe his enemies that gives Illumi the chance to kill two birds with one stone.
and we can’t ignore the fact that they are terrified of Alluka (who comes from the dark continent) why would they want another Zoldyck going to the dark continent after the last one we knew of brought back a calamity to the family. but that’s just my theory
The flowet theory is easy to dismiss, it’s simply Illumi picking up the flower of Uvogin since he picked up his number, the other flowers are shalnark, kurtopi and pakunoda which are on the ground because they haven’t been replaced
@@lifeunderthestarstv I do belive that illumi is Hisoka, and you’re right, But I just wanted to point out that the flowers and their symbolism is often misunderstood
9:47 : you highlighted the part where he says "what can I say, I'm an honest person." In chapter 393, Hisoka says, "I'm also quite fond of honest people y'know." Just another simple choice of words that can be interpreted in a way that fits this narrative.
awesome theories! And Remember! Machi staring at illumi - her (hunch) (intuition) (feelings) are trusted by Chrollo and even among the other spiders so its something to consider
I first heard of this theory on Reddit when illumi was introduced on the Black Whale. People passed it off as a joke until some days later there were serious posts talking about it.
There is a theory that hisoka is a guard. When kurapika tells everyone about nen and guards of the different families gather, there is one guard that is as tall as hisoka and has hearts in his speech bubbles
I think Kalluto pretends to think that's Illumi because Illumi told kalluto to stay put. Illum seems to have a thing for playing along with whatever Hisoka has in mind. And he's pretty much the second in family, atleast as long as Killua doesn't make a choice about following the family business, wich he probably won't. I think this is another Illumi-Hisoka Plot. But i also think this could be a very elaborate one. Maybe Illumi WANTS others to think he's Hisoka, So he creates a distraction , maybe Hisoka could be around there waiting. I just think Hisoka isn't stupid, If Hisoka was pretending to be Illumi he wouldn't be this obvious. But if ILLUMI was told BY HISOKA, to pretend to BE HISOKA ACTING AS ILLUMI, that would be some contrived plan, but also in line with how Hisoka thinks things out.
I just want to add something else. IN Yu Yu Hakusho, Togashi used the bio to explain part of the reasons for the decline of the manga quality. But he spoke about the matter in a very cryptic way that people would understand after reading the tome, Why thatr volume quality went down? well. Togashi mentions that " assisntants tend to have gastric problems often, not his assistants, assistants in general. Meaning he was getting fed up of working with assistants at that point. Togashi tends to say a lot in the bios without being any clear. Also. Take a look at volume 12 cover . this was during York new , And look at Hisoka colors. Green. pale skin. Everyone is in the same position, Only that Illumi is in Uvogin place and Kalluto in Hisoka Place. Also everyone is very distressed compared with volume 12 where everyone was in high spirits. And a little correction. Illumi is in the middle only because he's taking Uvogin place wich was also in the middle in volume 12. But it could also be clever repetition of volume 12 design. Also he picking up uvogin flower means he's replacing uvogin, but also could be a double meaning. That he cheated death and he's not quite dead yet.
hisoka have killed the leader that no one could suspect... disguise as the leader and bring all the team at one place to be killed and his favor or the way he want them to be killed.. and the final trophy will be the head of the prince after winning the inheritance just to be hisoka's victim and there will be no king and the end of the empire . then the story will be on the datk continent secret where hisoka will be killed by a powerful foe... kim whamos
Three things no one ever mentions in these types of videos (no rudeness) 1. Hisoka says the spiders have no choice where or WHO they fight. So when Illumi spills the beans about them being on the boat it’s because he’s getting as many people as possible to fight them showing he no longer cares how they lose their lives and thus people like franklin are sitting ducks foolishly waiting for bread (hisoka) only to find hunters at the ready (literally anyone) 2. Hisoka asks for a cell with a shower but also that the cell be SOLITARY meaning he doesn’t want kalluto in the same room as him which is odd for this manipulator who has intense love for his family, why would he not have kalluto at his side at all times if this were illumi who even stalked and tagged kilua 3. I wonder if hisoka made a new hatsu to transmute his voice into illumi’s and it works because the restriction is that he can only transmute those who lost their lives to hisoka (heck maybe even reformed his voice box completely or the game is to transform into who he takes down making the troupe angrier because they have to be wary of each other)
I don't think Hisoka would even need a new hatsu for the voice. We know he can use Bungee Gum to manipulate his internal organs, it makes sense he'd be able to use it to affect his vocal cords and assist with the impersonation. Having to kill someone seems like a really steep condition for something as simple as impersonating their voice too, so I don't think that's what is going on.
@@rishadhossain3581 hisoka is making a free for all where he can pick and choose who he battles as he’d like without giving them the satisfaction of knowing it’s him till the final second and or taking their identity and ruining their reputations with their friends essentially creating “Controlled chaos”
OK I’m glad I’m not the only one I was thinking this when I seen that character changing his expressions and everything yes I had no idea people were theorizing about this I’m so pumped damn just imagine it getting an animated can’t wait to read the chapters I’m so glad HXH is coming back
That would be awesome if that’s true. I just counted how many different chapters he’s tweeted. But totally possible he wasn’t posting each one he finished. Hope you’re right!
even with recent chapters this theory is still possible but not very likely because why would hisoka put himself in the middle of the troupe since if he gets found out he will be in great ddanger surrounded by all of them..its better for him to hire illumi to help him with assassination this is why ilumi snitched on the troupe to mizaistom .. as first hisoka wanted a proper duel like boxing you square than you start fighting but then after he died he knew that not everybody necessarily shares his values .. chrollo is a thief he doesnt care about a duel to him a fight is about winning with preparation espicially when its not personal and it suits his hatsu.. and in most cases that how nen fights are people like hisoka or uvogin are exceptions . fights start before you even meet with intel gathering location ect.. and obviously hisoka learned that from his fight he cant really try to duel someone who is not really trying to dual him this is why their ''fight'' started as soon as they boarded the ship and there are no limits to how you win including recruiting people like illumi to infiltrate and turning the mafia against the troupe ect.although the spider are probably not going to let hisoka have his way when its a bit personal for them now
I don't know why Chrollo would agree to accept Illumi as a member. Even though he explained himself but that is still a big threat to the spider. Chrollo knew it but still
Not really. Chrollo knows that Hisoka's Nen abilities are stronger now, but he has no reason to assume that Hisoka could be disguising himself as someone else. Hisoka did in fact say that he would fight the Troupe members on sight, and so far Hisoka has never gone so far as pretending to be a different person in the time that Chrollo knew him (though it would still be in character for Hisoka to do so nonetheless). Furthermore, it also makes sense for Chrollo not to reject all the help he can get right now. The only reason Chrollo was able to fight Hisoka as easily as he did was because Chrollo had a whole year to plan his anti-Hisoka strategy in Heaven's Arena (i.e. picking an arena with hundreds of bystanders to use as weapons, stealing abilities to puppet people and plant bombs on them, etc). However, here in the Black Whale, Chrollo has none of those crucial advantages, especially because *_1)_* several of the abilities which Chrollo used to beat Hisoka are gone (thanks to the deaths of Shalnark and Kortopi), *_2)_* Chrollo isn't familiar with the Black Whale's layout and therefore Chrollo cannot reliably use the environment against Hisoka like he did with Heaven's Arena, and *_3)_* Hisoka's Nen abilities are now stronger than ever before, and Chrollo has no way of knowing exactly how much Hisoka's powers have improved. This is made worse by the fact that he now can't use Lovely Ghostwriter for clues anymore. There are simply too many unknown factors and disadvantages facing Chrollo for him to refuse any potential help, even if he doesn't fully trust Illumi because Chrollo knows firsthand that Hisoka is just that much of a threat.
@@mrreyes5004 chrollo destroy hisoka in a fight he just accepted illumi because he wanted to join the spiders and favor chrollo to replace death members of the troupe. The boss d'ont care how much a threat hisoka is he said it himself many time that the second he see hisoka he would kill him i d'ont think that someone like chrollo that have this confident against hisoka consider the magician a threat. And d'ont forget that if shizuku and bonorenof didn't asked for chrollo to team up he would have chased alone hisoka by himself thats shows literally that he is confident to kill hisoka alone. if you are not confessed that chrollo beat hisoka i can explain with a texts , explanation and very good arguments.
@@boubacarcisse8962 Nope. He's not confident, just pissed off. Also you're wrong, I literally explained that Chrollo only destroyed Hisoka in their fight because Chrollo had a whole year of prep time to plan his strategy, but he has no time to think of such a strategy now. Also Chrollo has lost the abilities of Shalnark and Kortopi, and those abilities were extremely important for Chrollo to win last time so it will be even harder now. Learn English with all that awful grammar, it makes it hard to understand what you're saying.
@@mrreyes5004 this doesn't change the fact that if shizuku and bonolenov wouldn't have proposed him to team up he would have hunted and killed hisoka alone. Not to mention the fact that he says that as soon as he finds hisoka he will attack him directly. Chrollo is extremely intelligent whether in deduction or in combat he knows his own limits and if he says that he will kill hisoka as soon as he finds him that means that he has the ability to. People are assuming wayyy to much and taking the opposite conclusion from the fight. Chrollo did not need prep to defeat Hisoka. He needed his "prep" (which hisoka also had access to, he chose not to) to defeat Hisoka as easily as did. The conclusion that Chrollo loses could be drawn had Chrollo needed high to extreme diff to beat him, but Chrollo legit won with mid diff at most and a couple of cracked ribs. so conclusion he only needed prep to no diff hisoka. Chrollo didn't choose the shortest route to kill hiskoa, he was genuinely interested in the fighting itself and the process of it and he was also interested in hisoka as a person since his intentions and interests weren't the intentions and the interests of ordinary people((obviously)), that's why he asked hisoka if he wants to continue fighting after telling him his chances of winning were zero because he was interested to see what Hisoka's Response would be, he also explained every single ability that his going to use in that fight eventually not using any abilities other than the ones he explained before the fight starts just to make it a bit more exciting by making it a bit harder for himself, if hisoka didn't know of any of these abilities he would've went down way faster and more effectively making it much less exciting since he would've "Died" way sooner. When Chrollo's abilities were much less perfected he pushed the two current strongest zoldycks(arguable) to their limits almost taking one of them out with himself in an unplanned 1v2 situation, That's the best example we've got of Chrollo getting in serious trouble in an absolutely unpredictable situation and he still performed well, with considering that his abilities are far more perfected at this point of the story than they were when he pulled of those things againtst the zoldycks, I cant even imagine hisoka defeating him in an unexpected situation specially considering that next time no abilities would be explained to hisoka and he's going to learn every single one of them the hard way(also my guess is his not going to learn many). Its hard to believe Chrollo of all people is wandering around the Black Whale 1 with no plans what so ever to counter unexpected attacks from Hisoka when he literally set murdering Hisoka as the main goal of the Phantom troupe as well as one of the reasons of them embarking BW1 to begin with. To top that even him not having a plan wont be that much of a problem as explained above. In short, its almost impossible to think Hisoka would win it since: Next time they meet Chrollo will fight with pure intent of Murdering Hisoka in the shortest, most convenient and most effective way possible without having the slightest desire for making it a fun battle. Next time absolutely no abilities are going to be explained to Hisoka and he has to learn every single ability Chrollo decides to use one by one The hard way(My guess is His not going to learn as many as the previous time) Chrollo most likely is coming Up with a plan(explained above). Even with no plans there's enough sample size showing that Chrollo will be just fine with unexpected skirmishes as explained above. To be frank, If you look at it closely people are making the biggest f**king deal out of this planned and not planned thingi. and sorry for my english i am from france and tries to debate english people.
one thing about this theory, if illumi is in fact hisoka, then we have one more member of the spiders that we don't know yet about? Since hisoka said "10 more to go", the spiders now have enough 10 members including illumi, if illumi is hisoka then who is the last one?
The only thing that bother me is when Hisoka said to himself after killing Korotopi and Sharnack : "They're 10 left" Why would Hisoka say that if he didn't include Illumi and Kalluto ? Or maybe he decided to let both of them go for now like "Their turn will come in a next game, I have plenty of time and so many ideas for it"
i think the flowers are hinting at chrollo, finx or however you spell it, and illuumi himself, the colours speak for themselves. i think kalluto and feitan have their own thing going on thatll be revealed, i saw someone say that feitan could be a zyoldyk and that he use to be in the family picture holding allukas hand but she erased him from the family so he dissapaered from the picture and ended up in meteor city, hence why it litterally looks like alluka is holding someones hand who isnt there
If you look at the way his hand is positioned, it actually looked like the flower has been plucked as in, someone that was dead came back to life. It is held behind him as thought he's furious at the circumstances, and that would be true if it was Hisoka, given the situation.
I think it’s finally time to cut the bullshit and give Kalluto the attention he deserves , and get into the whole bring his brother back kinda thing , just let the brother be feitan , idc it would be awesome
Awesome Yes I’m really u made another Hunter Hunter video especially one about Hisoka and the dark continent love these vids. Please do a video on Beyond Netero and pariston if possible
In relation to Kalluto, I assume that the ruse is for Hisoka to take Illumi's place and for Illumi to pretend to be Hisoka. Kalluto would then play along as to not get in the way of his brother fufilling a contract.
What i think will end up happening is that hisoka will team up with kurapika just like chrollo set hisoka up, hisoka will do the same to him, to act his revenge and inflict as much despair as possible as he picks off each troop member one by one or maybe multiple, after all it is hisoka
Just wanted to say, I do like this theory but my initial interpretation of the flowers was different. That there are 4 flowers, for the 4 dead spiders we know, Uvogin, Pakunoda, Kortopi and Shalnark. The image of Illumi holding the flower was that he was taking up the flower I.E he was taking the position left behind. You could argue that why doesn't Kalluto hold a flower, but I'm sure Kalluto took Hisoka's spot and he didn't 'die' as part of the spiders. However that doesn't explain the lack of a mouth and the lips on the author note. Regardless, the more I read about this theory the more inclined I am to believe it.
I feel like benolinov would be the next to die by finding out hisoka is Illumi and maybe he purposely targets him (since he is teaming with Chrollo) as a way of taunting chrollo
he noticed the zodiac to involve kurapika and wecan see during one of kurapila's lesson the some one have yhe distinctiv haert in one of his bubbles exactly like hisoka
kalluto being tricked is NON SENSE. thats illumi. its like saying someone pretending to be your mom or brother, you will know right away. they can fake the appeareance but ull know asap if there is something wrong. ALSO hisoka being Illumi literally making chrollo stupid. the only answer we can get is ILLUMI DOUBLE EDGE and chrollo let him, allow him.. lets see
Maybe hisoka wants to keep kalluto out of all these shenanigans that's going to happen because he doesn't want to suffer illumi's rath or tipical he doesn't care
@@efanferdiantowibowo9610 but if Hisoka kills Kalluto or Killua, Illumi could just kill Gon in order to get back at him which is why Hisoka may not want to killua Alluka.
Franklin, Machi, and the boxer dude are the only ones with their hands out. All of them also being easy prey to Hisoka. Illumi is also standing with his hands out. I think hands in pockets means safe. It may be that the ones with the flowers by them (like Phinks) are killed, but not by Hisoka and most likely are some random third party members. Just like how Hisoka killed a member to join the troupe. Especially since there’s fanboys and nen serial killers on the boat, I think this may be alluding to the insane chaos that is to come on this voyage. I mean it’s a bit out there but just some things to think about 😅
I would think that the Phantom Troupe can tell the difference in aura, but maybe theyve never even met the real Illumi. But even in that case Kalluto should be able to tell
This is pretty interesting especially when you look at it with the Hisoka is Chrollo theory. If both are true that means Hisoka is hiding as an ally of the troupe while Chrollo is hiding as the enemy of the troupe
They removed shalnark from series, because his ability to use needles to control people is too similar with illumi's ability. Would hisoka then be able to use illumi's needles? Would it be the color of the flowers? Im afraid bolonelov will die next :(
Illumi is a manipulator, it’s natural to assume most of the clue you can find are just there to manipulate the audience. I think Togashi just likes this character a lot and is probably going to match him with Tserriednich in some fun interaction.
I feel like the illumi is Hisoka theory is very basic and not something Togashi would do, narratively, but anything is possible. Not to mention characters like Nobu seem to constantly use En to inspect their surroundings. Which is something that should easily be able to pick up on a disguise, not to mention the nen body parts that Hisoka would have to be using to do so.
I had always figured that the Spider's would have recognized Hisoka's nen if he were with them. Newest chapters show Hisoka on the ship. He has a different outfit and a change in his attitude. Post mortem Hisoka is truly unpredictable. Even more so than his pre-death self; which, is saying something. I can't wait to see Hisoka fight again. His aura is going to be insane
You got the “who it is” part wrong. What he means is that they won’t decide which PT member will fight him (he will engaged them in the order that he sees for), not that they might fight someone other than him. But, apart from that, great theory, might actually come true I guess
I always wonder: Why did Chrollo accept Illumi? It seems like an extreme and unnecessary risk no matter how you look at it. The only way you could justify this is by saying that Chrollo doesn't know there as a relationship between the Illumi and Hisoka, but alas, Illumi mentions that relationship when explaining why he is there. And you'd think that after Hisoka fake-joined the spiders, they'd be more careful about who they let in.
Or Chrollo used Shalnark's abilities to control Illumi That's why he's been a bit off. I find it odd that the Spiders would recruit Illumi after Sharlnark's death. Very similar Nen abilities. I don't put it past Chrollo to recruit people he would want the abilities of. Why double the mind control ability?
"Hi Im Illumi" = ハーイ ボク (僕) はイルミ Pronunciation for this is Hai Boku wa Illumi)” Connect Hai Boku is Haiboku. Haiboku (敗北）means Defeat So this introduction can also be interpreted as Haiboku wa Illumi (敗北はイルミ）/ "The Defeated is Illumi" Adding the part that Illumi used the pronoun boku (僕), that Hisoka uses often, can mean the that Hisoka has Defeated Illumi.
I think illumi is himself and only joined the troupe to protect kalluto from hisoka and the troupe so the Zoldycks aren’t involved, Silva even told all of the Zoldycks to not fight them. Nd I think hisoka needs more people on his side for the troupe which makes me believe he’ll reveal himself to kurapika first and tell him about the troupe being onboard. I feel like kurapika might not be interested though because he’s protecting the prince and looking for the rest of his clans eyes unless the troupe gets to the eyes first or hisoka blackmails him. Either way I think the troupe is dead by the end of this arc bcs everyone wants them gone😭
i dont think hisoka can change his vocal cords like illumi. also, his SISTER is in the group, she must know illumi's voice and personality and/background
There's a chance that if this theory is true that it may be based on the myth of Loki tricking another god into killing Baldur, in this myth loki disguises himself as an unassuming old woman to learn the weaknesses of the allegedly invulnerable god of light Baldur who deeply loved by all the other gods which is similar to how much all the phantom troupe members love each other and once loki learns what the weakness of Baldur is, Loki tricks Baldur's blind brother hodr the god of darkness into killling him. If the theory about illumi secretly being hisoka is true, then not only does hisoka disguising himself as illumi perfectly mirrors Loki disguising himself as an old woman to learn Baldur's weakness but that it could be allude to hisoka disguising himself as illumi so he can trick some of the other phantom troupe members (who essentially see each other as siblings) into killing each other.
@@apeesteranime2956 what if gyro is based on cain from the Bible?, in the story of cain, he is given a curse mark which some believe altered his physical appearance enough so he could blend in with the natives of the land of nod where he banished to and eventually built a city. Gyro leaving his home land to found the ngl but also gyro travelling to meteor ngl city also kinda mirror cain travelling to Nod to build a city. Gyro being eaten and killed and turned into a chimera ant kinda mirror Cain being given a curse mark. The native s of Nod are believed by some conspiracy theorists to have been neanderthals who were allegedly the cave dwellers known as horites in the bible and the primative nature and lack of sophistication associated with neanderthals is very similar to the way the natives of meteor city are portrayed in HXH. Gyros murder in the series is seen as his first step into becoming fully evil which is kinda similar to how cain killing abel is painted as being so significant because of how it was allegedly the first ever murder. Gon and Gyro being mirrors of each other but slightly different is kinda similar to how cain and abel's natures are generally juxtaposed in different forms of literature, gon being the more innocent & generally optimistic individual whereas gyro is portrayed as pure evil is similar to abel being described as innocent and cain being described as wicked and I'm pretty sure cain and abel worked on a field/farm which is kinda similar to gyro working on a construction camp.
i still prefer my theory that hisoka isn't on the whale ship and is with pariston's group and is trying to draw the phantom troupe to the dark continent so he could hunt them down there in neutral territory. everybody will be busy trying to stay alive to properly prepare for hisoka hunting them down. as for illumi i have some guesses. could be that illumi also wants to go to the dark continent or perhaps illumi's been contracted to kill some of the spiders to make them think hisoka is the one that killed them and keep chasing after hisoka and onto the dark continent. btw the reason why hisoka also wants to go to the dark continent is so he can hunt down ging and beyond netero. the troupe is a good target but i bet he desires hunting them down even more.
Mmm I’m really not sure it’s definitely possible, but id say because Hisoka’s Nen abilities became stronger and changed slightly it’s possible that, except maybe ripping it off, seeing past the disguise is impossible. But there’s also the fact that the spiders should be able to tell the difference between Illumi’s and Hisoka’s presence, but because we don’t know enough, and it’s just a theory, or there’s lots of stuff that doesn’t quite make sense.
I don’t think Hisoka would do this. It’s likely that the Troup would catch on to this quickly. Also how would Hisoka change his voice? I believe Illumi stayed silent when he was disguised, so Troup wouldn’t find out
I really think Hisoka and Illumi gang up on the Troup to finally kill them. I will not be surprise if Hisoka paid Illumi just to help him, after all, he is an assassin. I'm not buying that its Hisoka disguising as Illumi, as it will make him more a better manipulator than Illumi himself, who is a master manipulator. Illumi can only disguise as Hisoka back then without needles for only a few hours but Hisoka can? So I really believe its really Illumi, its just that he will betray the Spider for Hisoka so he was still mainly involve as the hints suggests...
One other thing is that Machi’s instincts are always right. So Machi staring at Illumi is a BIG GIVEAWAY. She also knew Gon and Killua were somehow related to Kurapika and Chrollo says he trusts her hunch.
Good call
Basically just confirmed the theory for me
Probably why togashi spared her
@@AqwDragulum I feel like everyone’s gonna die except Chrollo and Machi. And maybe one or two other members. I feel that the choice to keep the head of the spider alive (in Yorknew arc) is going to lead to the death of the overall spider
Yoooooooo
I have a theory that Illumi and Hisoka kind of made an agreement with eachother beforehand but I don’t think it’s an agreement to kill eachother. I believe the agreement was to help Hisoka take down the troupe while being able to keep Kalluto safe and out of harms way. I think the only reason Illumi joined was to get Kalluto out of the troupe. As twisted as the Zoldycks are I truly believe there is some brotherly love between them. That, or Illumi was instructed by Silva or Zeno to get Kalluto out of the group and since Hisoka declared the troupe his enemies that gives Illumi the chance to kill two birds with one stone.
and we can’t ignore the fact that they are terrified of Alluka (who comes from the dark continent) why would they want another Zoldyck going to the dark continent after the last one we knew of brought back a calamity to the family. but that’s just my theory
Agree, Hisoka will murder Kalluto if Illumi wouldn't step in. It's reasonable for Illumi to do so.
“Agreed” was thinking the same thing.
one thing i realized is that if hisoka is illumi, he could have used texture surprise to make a regular piece of paper look like a ticket👀
That smart thinking
@@apeesteranime2956 bro the third flower is uvogin.
@@vokoaxecer probably but for the sake of the theory it makes most sense for the flowers to be all the spiders Hisoka himself killed.
Shalnark's death matched up with his prophecy from York New City. So, other members whose deaths were prophecised like Shizuku aren't safe.
Agreed
Shizuku to me seems like the next kill. Hisoka is going to kill almost right in front of Chrolo and he will be even more livid.
9:51 regardless of if this is Illumi or Hisoka, Togashi really drew him caked up here lol
The flowet theory is easy to dismiss, it’s simply Illumi picking up the flower of Uvogin since he picked up his number, the other flowers are shalnark, kurtopi and pakunoda which are on the ground because they haven’t been replaced
This doesn't explain him missing a mouth and the lips and caption on the inserp
@@lifeunderthestarstv I do belive that illumi is Hisoka, and you’re right, But I just wanted to point out that the flowers and their symbolism is often misunderstood
9:47 : you highlighted the part where he says "what can I say, I'm an honest person." In chapter 393, Hisoka says, "I'm also quite fond of honest people y'know." Just another simple choice of words that can be interpreted in a way that fits this narrative.
awesome theories!
And Remember! Machi staring at illumi - her (hunch) (intuition) (feelings) are trusted by Chrollo and even among the other spiders so its something to consider
Yeah her hunch . Nice one
I love your Wing teaching as a board for us
I love this theory it makes Hisoka even more terrifying
I first heard of this theory on Reddit when illumi was introduced on the Black Whale. People passed it off as a joke until some days later there were serious posts talking about it.
There is a theory that hisoka is a guard. When kurapika tells everyone about nen and guards of the different families gather, there is one guard that is as tall as hisoka and has hearts in his speech bubbles
Oooo ima take a look into that
What chapter is that?
This actually makes alot of sense either illumi is hisoka or illumi is acting sus
This and new world review are becoming my new channels for hxh videos. Togashi is crafty
I think Kalluto pretends to think that's Illumi because Illumi told kalluto to stay put. Illum seems to have a thing for playing along with whatever Hisoka has in mind. And he's pretty much the second in family, atleast as long as Killua doesn't make a choice about following the family business, wich he probably won't.
I think this is another Illumi-Hisoka Plot. But i also think this could be a very elaborate one. Maybe Illumi WANTS others to think he's Hisoka, So he creates a distraction , maybe Hisoka could be around there waiting. I just think Hisoka isn't stupid, If Hisoka was pretending to be Illumi he wouldn't be this obvious. But if ILLUMI was told BY HISOKA, to pretend to BE HISOKA ACTING AS ILLUMI, that would be some contrived plan, but also in line with how Hisoka thinks things out.
I just want to add something else. IN Yu Yu Hakusho, Togashi used the bio to explain part of the reasons for the decline of the manga quality. But he spoke about the matter in a very cryptic way that people would understand after reading the tome, Why thatr volume quality went down? well. Togashi mentions that " assisntants tend to have gastric problems often, not his assistants, assistants in general. Meaning he was getting fed up of working with assistants at that point.
Togashi tends to say a lot in the bios without being any clear.
Also. Take a look at volume 12 cover . this was during York new , And look at Hisoka colors. Green. pale skin. Everyone is in the same position, Only that Illumi is in Uvogin place and Kalluto in Hisoka Place. Also everyone is very distressed compared with volume 12 where everyone was in high spirits.
And a little correction. Illumi is in the middle only because he's taking Uvogin place wich was also in the middle in volume 12. But it could also be clever repetition of volume 12 design.
Also he picking up uvogin flower means he's replacing uvogin, but also could be a double meaning. That he cheated death and he's not quite dead yet.
What if hisoka killed someone else without the others knowing and disguised as the last member he has killed
He is tall other members are notably shorter, illumi and hisoka are near the same height
@@shmoking466 true but maybe he can even change the height and etc with his new nen? We will only know when more chapters come out
@@didiberserius7304 that just sounds like he would be a dark continent creature
@@equix9260 he doesnt look particularly human either
hisoka have killed the leader that no one could suspect... disguise as the leader and bring all the team at one place to be killed and his favor or the way he want them to be killed.. and the final trophy will be the head of the prince after winning the inheritance just to be hisoka's victim and there will be no king and the end of the empire . then the story will be on the datk continent secret where hisoka will be killed by a powerful foe... kim whamos
my boi is back i'll make some popcorn to watch this video *-*
Dope vid
If it is hisoka, he could possibly use Texture surprise to make a vip pass
That is true, and he has a second level ticket for some reason while the entire troupe do not have access to the upper decks above 3
This is cool and all but did you know bungee gum possesses the properties or both rubber and gum ?
Three things no one ever mentions in these types of videos (no rudeness)
1. Hisoka says the spiders have no choice where or WHO they fight. So when Illumi spills the beans about them being on the boat it’s because he’s getting as many people as possible to fight them showing he no longer cares how they lose their lives and thus people like franklin are sitting ducks foolishly waiting for bread (hisoka) only to find hunters at the ready (literally anyone)
2. Hisoka asks for a cell with a shower but also that the cell be SOLITARY meaning he doesn’t want kalluto in the same room as him which is odd for this manipulator who has intense love for his family, why would he not have kalluto at his side at all times if this were illumi who even stalked and tagged kilua
3. I wonder if hisoka made a new hatsu to transmute his voice into illumi’s and it works because the restriction is that he can only transmute those who lost their lives to hisoka (heck maybe even reformed his voice box completely or the game is to transform into who he takes down making the troupe angrier because they have to be wary of each other)
U make some good points. Especially the voice. I think ur right about the voice box
I don't think Hisoka would even need a new hatsu for the voice. We know he can use Bungee Gum to manipulate his internal organs, it makes sense he'd be able to use it to affect his vocal cords and assist with the impersonation. Having to kill someone seems like a really steep condition for something as simple as impersonating their voice too, so I don't think that's what is going on.
I dont understand sorry
@@rishadhossain3581 hisoka is making a free for all where he can pick and choose who he battles as he’d like without giving them the satisfaction of knowing it’s him till the final second and or taking their identity and ruining their reputations with their friends essentially creating
“Controlled chaos”
Do you think he will kill all spiders??
It makes sense since both Alumi and Hisoka are like twin jesters or clown duo, and it's only right that they would do something like this
Nice video as usual :) I can’t wait for more chapters to release
OK I’m glad I’m not the only one I was thinking this when I seen that character changing his expressions and everything yes I had no idea people were theorizing about this I’m so pumped damn just imagine it getting an animated can’t wait to read the chapters I’m so glad HXH is coming back
God damn that's some real good theory! I dig it. I'm re reading the whole series and can't wait to see subtle hits like this.
Rereading dark continent arc again while I wait and pray for us to see a new release sometime this year
18:05 actually I think togashi just finished the last page of the 10th chapter yesterday
That would be awesome if that’s true. I just counted how many different chapters he’s tweeted. But totally possible he wasn’t posting each one he finished. Hope you’re right!
Aaand you were wrong...
even with recent chapters this theory is still possible but not very likely because why would hisoka put himself in the middle of the troupe since if he gets found out he will be in great ddanger surrounded by all of them..its better for him to hire illumi to help him with assassination this is why ilumi snitched on the troupe to mizaistom .. as first hisoka wanted a proper duel like boxing you square than you start fighting but then after he died he knew that not everybody necessarily shares his values .. chrollo is a thief he doesnt care about a duel to him a fight is about winning with preparation espicially when its not personal and it suits his hatsu.. and in most cases that how nen fights are people like hisoka or uvogin are exceptions . fights start before you even meet with intel gathering location ect.. and obviously hisoka learned that from his fight he cant really try to duel someone who is not really trying to dual him this is why their ''fight'' started as soon as they boarded the ship and there are no limits to how you win including recruiting people like illumi to infiltrate and turning the mafia against the troupe ect.although the spider are probably not going to let hisoka have his way when its a bit personal for them now
Oh my god this is such a interesting one I can’t believe I never would’ve thought of that
I don't know why Chrollo would agree to accept Illumi as a member. Even though he explained himself but that is still a big threat to the spider. Chrollo knew it but still
Not really. Chrollo knows that Hisoka's Nen abilities are stronger now, but he has no reason to assume that Hisoka could be disguising himself as someone else. Hisoka did in fact say that he would fight the Troupe members on sight, and so far Hisoka has never gone so far as pretending to be a different person in the time that Chrollo knew him (though it would still be in character for Hisoka to do so nonetheless).
Furthermore, it also makes sense for Chrollo not to reject all the help he can get right now. The only reason Chrollo was able to fight Hisoka as easily as he did was because Chrollo had a whole year to plan his anti-Hisoka strategy in Heaven's Arena (i.e. picking an arena with hundreds of bystanders to use as weapons, stealing abilities to puppet people and plant bombs on them, etc). However, here in the Black Whale, Chrollo has none of those crucial advantages, especially because *_1)_* several of the abilities which Chrollo used to beat Hisoka are gone (thanks to the deaths of Shalnark and Kortopi), *_2)_* Chrollo isn't familiar with the Black Whale's layout and therefore Chrollo cannot reliably use the environment against Hisoka like he did with Heaven's Arena, and *_3)_* Hisoka's Nen abilities are now stronger than ever before, and Chrollo has no way of knowing exactly how much Hisoka's powers have improved. This is made worse by the fact that he now can't use Lovely Ghostwriter for clues anymore.
There are simply too many unknown factors and disadvantages facing Chrollo for him to refuse any potential help, even if he doesn't fully trust Illumi because Chrollo knows firsthand that Hisoka is just that much of a threat.
@@mrreyes5004
chrollo destroy hisoka in a fight he just accepted illumi because he wanted to join the spiders and favor chrollo to replace death members of the troupe. The boss d'ont care how much a threat hisoka is he said it himself many time that the second he see hisoka he would kill him i d'ont think that someone like chrollo that have this confident against hisoka consider the magician a threat.
And d'ont forget that if shizuku and bonorenof didn't asked for chrollo to team up he would have chased alone hisoka by himself thats shows literally that he is confident to kill hisoka alone.
if you are not confessed that chrollo beat hisoka i can explain with a texts , explanation and very good arguments.
@@boubacarcisse8962 Nope. He's not confident, just pissed off. Also you're wrong, I literally explained that Chrollo only destroyed Hisoka in their fight because Chrollo had a whole year of prep time to plan his strategy, but he has no time to think of such a strategy now. Also Chrollo has lost the abilities of Shalnark and Kortopi, and those abilities were extremely important for Chrollo to win last time so it will be even harder now. Learn English with all that awful grammar, it makes it hard to understand what you're saying.
@@mrreyes5004 this doesn't change the fact that if shizuku and bonolenov wouldn't have proposed him to team up he would have hunted and killed hisoka alone. Not to mention the fact that he says that as soon as he finds hisoka he will attack him directly. Chrollo is extremely intelligent whether in deduction or in combat he knows his own limits and if he says that he will kill hisoka as soon as he finds him that means that he has the ability to.
People are assuming wayyy to much and taking the opposite conclusion from the fight. Chrollo did not need prep to defeat Hisoka. He needed his "prep" (which hisoka also had access to, he chose not to) to defeat Hisoka as easily as did. The conclusion that Chrollo loses could be drawn had Chrollo needed high to extreme diff to beat him, but Chrollo legit won with mid diff at most and a couple of cracked ribs.
so conclusion he only needed prep to no diff hisoka.
Chrollo didn't choose the shortest route to kill hiskoa, he was genuinely interested in the fighting itself and the process of it and he was also interested in hisoka as a person since his intentions and interests weren't the intentions and the interests of ordinary people((obviously)), that's why he asked hisoka if he wants to continue fighting after telling him his chances of winning were zero because he was interested to see what Hisoka's Response would be, he also explained every single ability that his going to use in that fight eventually not using any abilities other than the ones he explained before the fight starts just to make it a bit more exciting by making it a bit harder for himself, if hisoka didn't know of any of these abilities he would've went down way faster and more effectively making it much less exciting since he would've "Died" way sooner.
When Chrollo's abilities were much less perfected he pushed the two current strongest zoldycks(arguable) to their limits almost taking one of them out with himself in an unplanned 1v2 situation, That's the best example we've got of Chrollo getting in serious trouble in an absolutely unpredictable situation and he still performed well, with considering that his abilities are far more perfected at this point of the story than they were when he pulled of those things againtst the zoldycks, I cant even imagine hisoka defeating him in an unexpected situation specially considering that next time no abilities would be explained to hisoka and he's going to learn every single one of them the hard way(also my guess is his not going to learn many).
Its hard to believe Chrollo of all people is wandering around the Black Whale 1 with no plans what so ever to counter unexpected attacks from Hisoka when he literally set murdering Hisoka as the main goal of the Phantom troupe as well as one of the reasons of them embarking BW1 to begin with. To top that even him not having a plan wont be that much of a problem as explained above.
In short, its almost impossible to think Hisoka would win it since:
Next time they meet Chrollo will fight with pure intent of Murdering Hisoka in the shortest, most convenient and most effective way possible without having the slightest desire for making it a fun battle.
Next time absolutely no abilities are going to be explained to Hisoka and he has to learn every single ability Chrollo decides to use one by one The hard way(My guess is His not going to learn as many as the previous time)
Chrollo most likely is coming Up with a plan(explained above).
Even with no plans there's enough sample size showing that Chrollo will be just fine with unexpected skirmishes as explained above. To be frank, If you look at it closely people are making the biggest f**king deal out of this planned and not planned thingi.
and sorry for my english i am from france and tries to debate english people.
one thing about this theory, if illumi is in fact hisoka, then we have one more member of the spiders that we don't know yet about? Since hisoka said "10 more to go", the spiders now have enough 10 members including illumi, if illumi is hisoka then who is the last one?
Oh wow, good point!
Kurapika
Good point but this theory is just wrong
@@neferpitou1788 kurapika would never join the spiders since his life mission is to avenge his clan by killing the spiders
It might be Neon, yes I know she was not a troupe member but her ability could be hindrance. Thats why he killed Kortopi and Shalnark to nerf Chrollo
2:46 I really need to see Bonolenov and Franklin asking Kalluto what the duck he was doing at thier hideout in YN.
Greatest video ive seen about this subject, nice research
The only thing that bother me is when Hisoka said to himself after killing Korotopi and Sharnack : "They're 10 left"
Why would Hisoka say that if he didn't include Illumi and Kalluto ?
Or maybe he decided to let both of them go for now like "Their turn will come in a next game, I have plenty of time and so many ideas for it"
Just came across this channel not too long ago. The videos are awesome! Keep ‘em coming really enjoy your analysis and theories
Man I love the fact that your channel is growing like crazy! I was just watching your video wondering when the next upload is going to br
i think the flowers are hinting at chrollo, finx or however you spell it, and illuumi himself, the colours speak for themselves. i think kalluto and feitan have their own thing going on thatll be revealed, i saw someone say that feitan could be a zyoldyk and that he use to be in the family picture holding allukas hand but she erased him from the family so he dissapaered from the picture and ended up in meteor city, hence why it litterally looks like alluka is holding someones hand who isnt there
If you look at the way his hand is positioned, it actually looked like the flower has been plucked as in, someone that was dead came back to life. It is held behind him as thought he's furious at the circumstances, and that would be true if it was Hisoka, given the situation.
the most sure thing is that hisoka is play real life amongus 😂
If it is hisoka he's got kalluto fooled.
I think it’s finally time to cut the bullshit and give Kalluto the attention he deserves , and get into the whole bring his brother back kinda thing , just let the brother be feitan , idc it would be awesome
I agree but the feitan theory makes absolutely no sense lol
@Emilia-ks7gdon the contrary he’s the only one who makes sense
Awesome Yes I’m really u made another Hunter Hunter video especially one about Hisoka and the dark continent love these vids. Please do a video on Beyond Netero and pariston if possible
I shall put it on the list, not sure when I’ll get to it, but it’ll happen
In relation to Kalluto, I assume that the ruse is for Hisoka to take Illumi's place and for Illumi to pretend to be Hisoka. Kalluto would then play along as to not get in the way of his brother fufilling a contract.
What i think will end up happening is that hisoka will team up with kurapika just like chrollo set hisoka up, hisoka will do the same to him, to act his revenge and inflict as much despair as possible as he picks off each troop member one by one or maybe multiple, after all it is hisoka
I see it happening but only if kurapika doesn’t die before meeting with hisoka or maybe kurapika will get post Mortem nen after overusing emperor time
Wonderful video
I saw a reddit post debunking and debating this theory and I was wondering your thoughts on that?
what’s the post called
Just wanted to say, I do like this theory but my initial interpretation of the flowers was different. That there are 4 flowers, for the 4 dead spiders we know, Uvogin, Pakunoda, Kortopi and Shalnark. The image of Illumi holding the flower was that he was taking up the flower I.E he was taking the position left behind. You could argue that why doesn't Kalluto hold a flower, but I'm sure Kalluto took Hisoka's spot and he didn't 'die' as part of the spiders. However that doesn't explain the lack of a mouth and the lips on the author note. Regardless, the more I read about this theory the more inclined I am to believe it.
I feel like benolinov would be the next to die by finding out hisoka is Illumi and maybe he purposely targets him (since he is teaming with Chrollo) as a way of taunting chrollo
When will the next 10 chapters come
he noticed the zodiac to involve kurapika and wecan see during one of kurapila's lesson the some one have yhe distinctiv haert in one of his bubbles exactly like hisoka
honestly i can see illumi saying he cant lie and being honest about the spiders, i prefer the theory that hes actually Bellerain personally
You forgot to mention Maki's sharp instincts, explains why she was looking at him like that
Im impressed even after hiatus of theorizing hxh. I started this theory back in discord that went to reddit. Then idk who got em. 🤣
Weird though, couldn't they see texture surprise if they use GYO?
kalluto being tricked is NON SENSE. thats illumi. its like saying someone pretending to be your mom or brother, you will know right away. they can fake the appeareance but ull know asap if there is something wrong. ALSO hisoka being Illumi literally making chrollo stupid. the only answer we can get is ILLUMI DOUBLE EDGE and chrollo let him, allow him.. lets see
Hisoka the main antagonist
Wouldn't Illumi kill Hisoka if he harms Kaluto? Illumi is presented as that overprotective brother
Maybe hisoka wants to keep kalluto out of all these shenanigans that's going to happen because he doesn't want to suffer illumi's rath or tipical he doesn't care
So? At one point hisoka would go as far as killing killua to make illumi hates him and fight with him.
@@efanferdiantowibowo9610 will since he's so unpredictable with his actions that's a thing I would imagine him to do
@@efanferdiantowibowo9610 but if Hisoka kills Kalluto or Killua, Illumi could just kill Gon in order to get back at him which is why Hisoka may not want to killua Alluka.
Franklin, Machi, and the boxer dude are the only ones with their hands out. All of them also being easy prey to Hisoka. Illumi is also standing with his hands out. I think hands in pockets means safe. It may be that the ones with the flowers by them (like Phinks) are killed, but not by Hisoka and most likely are some random third party members. Just like how Hisoka killed a member to join the troupe. Especially since there’s fanboys and nen serial killers on the boat, I think this may be alluding to the insane chaos that is to come on this voyage. I mean it’s a bit out there but just some things to think about 😅
Did hisoka killed a member to join ? I don't remember this info I think it was silva who killed a member in the past
I would think that the Phantom Troupe can tell the difference in aura, but maybe theyve never even met the real Illumi. But even in that case Kalluto should be able to tell
but how does he change his voice
Does togashi normally foreshadow this way? The zodiac thing might be a coincidence?
This is pretty interesting especially when you look at it with the Hisoka is Chrollo theory. If both are true that means Hisoka is hiding as an ally of the troupe while Chrollo is hiding as the enemy of the troupe
They removed shalnark from series, because his ability to use needles to control people is too similar with illumi's ability. Would hisoka then be able to use illumi's needles?
Would it be the color of the flowers?
Im afraid bolonelov will die next :(
Why is that a good thing for the first time and we can do it tomorrow.
Illumi is a manipulator, it’s natural to assume most of the clue you can find are just there to manipulate the audience. I think Togashi just likes this character a lot and is probably going to match him with Tserriednich in some fun interaction.
Very kind intro
This is some Beatles Paul McCartney level Type of sh*t with symbolism and stuff
The best disguise would be the mummy guy benelov. Might as well be wrapped up in bandages the whole time in the phantom troupe
I feel like the illumi is Hisoka theory is very basic and not something Togashi would do, narratively, but anything is possible. Not to mention characters like Nobu seem to constantly use En to inspect their surroundings. Which is something that should easily be able to pick up on a disguise, not to mention the nen body parts that Hisoka would have to be using to do so.
i think the same, but the factore that he is on a rush to finish this makes me thing that he no longer will make the history whit that much detail
@@mr.onfire6030 i dissagre
@@mr.onfire6030 he’s not in a rush he’s literally just in a normal release schedule now
It make sense that this Illumi is Hisoka since him telling the zodiacs about the spider is just his way of alerting Kurapika about them.
I had always figured that the Spider's would have recognized Hisoka's nen if he were with them.
Newest chapters show Hisoka on the ship. He has a different outfit and a change in his attitude.
Post mortem Hisoka is truly unpredictable. Even more so than his pre-death self; which, is saying something. I can't wait to see Hisoka fight again. His aura is going to be insane
I feel like Kalluto would notice that its not really Illumi especially since he would be acting very out of character as Hisoka
You got the “who it is” part wrong. What he means is that they won’t decide which PT member will fight him (he will engaged them in the order that he sees for), not that they might fight someone other than him.
But, apart from that, great theory, might actually come true I guess
Hisoka is the captain of the ship
If hisoka is illumi were is illumi
The flowers are most likely:
Uvogin
Shalnark
Kortopi
And Pakunoda.
Four members that died because of Hisoka.
Dude there’s no way that none of the spiders have figured this out yet
So this s just a remix of GLR's video ?
I always wonder: Why did Chrollo accept Illumi? It seems like an extreme and unnecessary risk no matter how you look at it. The only way you could justify this is by saying that Chrollo doesn't know there as a relationship between the Illumi and Hisoka, but alas, Illumi mentions that relationship when explaining why he is there. And you'd think that after Hisoka fake-joined the spiders, they'd be more careful about who they let in.
Him holding the flower means it’s .. the newly alive.. >>
Or Chrollo used Shalnark's abilities to control Illumi
That's why he's been a bit off. I find it odd that the Spiders would recruit Illumi after Sharlnark's death. Very similar Nen abilities. I don't put it past Chrollo to recruit people he would want the abilities of. Why double the mind control ability?
"Hi Im Illumi" = ハーイ ボク (僕) はイルミ
Pronunciation for this is Hai Boku wa Illumi)”
Connect Hai Boku is Haiboku.
Haiboku (敗北）means Defeat
So this introduction can also be interpreted as
Haiboku wa Illumi (敗北はイルミ）/ "The Defeated is Illumi"
Adding the part that Illumi used the pronoun boku (僕), that Hisoka uses often,
can mean the that Hisoka has Defeated Illumi.
I think illumi is himself and only joined the troupe to protect kalluto from hisoka and the troupe so the Zoldycks aren’t involved, Silva even told all of the Zoldycks to not fight them. Nd I think hisoka needs more people on his side for the troupe which makes me believe he’ll reveal himself to kurapika first and tell him about the troupe being onboard. I feel like kurapika might not be interested though because he’s protecting the prince and looking for the rest of his clans eyes unless the troupe gets to the eyes first or hisoka blackmails him. Either way I think the troupe is dead by the end of this arc bcs everyone wants them gone😭
Togashi wouldn’t ruin hxh that way , he’s not oda
you didnt talk about the missing mouth!
i dont think hisoka can change his vocal cords like illumi.
also, his SISTER is in the group, she must know illumi's voice and personality and/background
Kalluto is a male btw
There's a chance that if this theory is true that it may be based on the myth of Loki tricking another god into killing Baldur, in this myth loki disguises himself as an unassuming old woman to learn the weaknesses of the allegedly invulnerable god of light Baldur who deeply loved by all the other gods which is similar to how much all the phantom troupe members love each other and once loki learns what the weakness of Baldur is, Loki tricks Baldur's blind brother hodr the god of darkness into killling him. If the theory about illumi secretly being hisoka is true, then not only does hisoka disguising himself as illumi perfectly mirrors Loki disguising himself as an old woman to learn Baldur's weakness but that it could be allude to hisoka disguising himself as illumi so he can trick some of the other phantom troupe members (who essentially see each other as siblings) into killing each other.
I love how much mythology you know and how many different stories/religions you know about, love seeing your ideas and comments
@@apeesteranime2956 what if gyro is based on cain from the Bible?, in the story of cain, he is given a curse mark which some believe altered his physical appearance enough so he could blend in with the natives of the land of nod where he banished to and eventually built a city. Gyro leaving his home land to found the ngl but also gyro travelling to meteor ngl city also kinda mirror cain travelling to Nod to build a city. Gyro being eaten and killed and turned into a chimera ant kinda mirror Cain being given a curse mark. The native s of Nod are believed by some conspiracy theorists to have been neanderthals who were allegedly the cave dwellers known as horites in the bible and the primative nature and lack of sophistication associated with neanderthals is very similar to the way the natives of meteor city are portrayed in HXH. Gyros murder in the series is seen as his first step into becoming fully evil which is kinda similar to how cain killing abel is painted as being so significant because of how it was allegedly the first ever murder. Gon and Gyro being mirrors of each other but slightly different is kinda similar to how cain and abel's natures are generally juxtaposed in different forms of literature, gon being the more innocent & generally optimistic individual whereas gyro is portrayed as pure evil is similar to abel being described as innocent and cain being described as wicked and I'm pretty sure cain and abel worked on a field/farm which is kinda similar to gyro working on a construction camp.
When he says “get his brother back” he means ILLUMI!!!!!!
Kalluto was hired by Hisoka to act in this way maybe 🤔 idk it’s weird that Kalluto would be this accomplished and yet that out of the loop.
Please make a movie about this two psychopath💖💖💖
I had the same thought. I want credit !!!!
i still prefer my theory that hisoka isn't on the whale ship and is with pariston's group and is trying to draw the phantom troupe to the dark continent so he could hunt them down there in neutral territory. everybody will be busy trying to stay alive to properly prepare for hisoka hunting them down. as for illumi i have some guesses. could be that illumi also wants to go to the dark continent or perhaps illumi's been contracted to kill some of the spiders to make them think hisoka is the one that killed them and keep chasing after hisoka and onto the dark continent. btw the reason why hisoka also wants to go to the dark continent is so he can hunt down ging and beyond netero. the troupe is a good target but i bet he desires hunting them down even more.
Mmm now this right here is good. Really really good stuff. That’s a very plausible theory and would really make sense. I like your thinking.
wait ilumi can already alter his appearance
Wouldn’t his disguise fall apart if any of the Troupe members used Gyo?
Mmm I’m really not sure it’s definitely possible, but id say because Hisoka’s Nen abilities became stronger and changed slightly it’s possible that, except maybe ripping it off, seeing past the disguise is impossible. But there’s also the fact that the spiders should be able to tell the difference between Illumi’s and Hisoka’s presence, but because we don’t know enough, and it’s just a theory, or there’s lots of stuff that doesn’t quite make sense.
@@apeesteranime2956 True it could make sense if it was some new/changed ability
feelsgoodman
I don’t think Hisoka would do this. It’s likely that the Troup would catch on to this quickly. Also how would Hisoka change his voice? I believe Illumi stayed silent when he was disguised, so Troup wouldn’t find out
He could manipulate his vocal cord like he is his body maybe?
@@KenshiroBoss looool nice
@@KenshiroBoss I saw bro proper anti climactic lol but was a fun theory tho
I really think Hisoka and Illumi gang up on the Troup to finally kill them. I will not be surprise if Hisoka paid Illumi just to help him, after all, he is an assassin. I'm not buying that its Hisoka disguising as Illumi, as it will make him more a better manipulator than Illumi himself, who is a master manipulator. Illumi can only disguise as Hisoka back then without needles for only a few hours but Hisoka can? So I really believe its really Illumi, its just that he will betray the Spider for Hisoka so he was still mainly involve as the hints suggests...
Glad this got disproved
It didn't? They could still have swapped places, as both of them can change their looks.
old theory, but awesome video!
I think hisoka is after the troupe to make kurapika mad hehe