Thank you so much Bro Bernard! I was raised Greek Orthodox and was invited to a UPC back in 1976 and my life was forever changed after being born again. My Greek parents were also saved. And with that being said, I have been in church for 48 years and I am still learning so much about God's Word from this Podcast. Thank you so much for your lessons, they are life-giving gold nuggets of truth straight from God's Word. You always stick to God's Word in your teaching, not men's traditions. Thank you so much!
@@johngreene6780 I'm a Pentecostal Apostolic Acts 2:38 believer. You have one of my favorite preacher's on your play list Bro. Jeff Arnold....I can listen to him all day. God bless you Brother in Jesus Name
No time like the present to turn to the lord and follow his salvation plan stated clearly in acts 2:38. God loves you and there is no such thing as an unforgivable sin or act except denying that Christ is our lord and savior.
Very interesting discussion. I couple thoughts I'll put out there... I don't know if there's a purgatory or not. God is a just God we understand. Romans 2:6 says generally that "He will render to each one according to his works", so maybe there are different forms of punishment. I listened to a catholic priest bring forward the case for purgatory, and I really wanted to hear what he had to say. I expected it to essentially be a false teaching, but they use the parable of the talents in Matthew 25 as a parallel for description of judgement. I'm open to the idea that there is a purgatory, and I guess everyone will find out the whole truth eventually, but I do not hold on to is as an official teaching I suppose. What's interesting is as well, if the Bible is in fact talking about that, it is not explicit about it sort of as to not promote it. It makes sense, because the catholics teach it, and I would say it affects people's approach to church and lifestyle. It sort of becomes a legalistic approach to reward and punishment in the afterlife. Whereas, we focus on the gospel and are focused on receiving heaven and preaching the lifestyle that takes us there. Also, it's pretty clear that the lake of fire, the final judgement... you could say the judgement of all judgements is extremely serious. In revelation 20:10 it says that the false prophet and the devil will finally be thrown into the lake of fire and receive torment day and night for eternity. I kind of thought it was the second "death" (as in "that is that"... done/no more), but it's pretty clear it's the real "hell" that everyone fears. Pretty much the worst nightmare scenario.
From my understanding, it's because the psalmist wrote the Hebrew word "Sheol" (translated as hell). Which is the waiting place, not Gehenna the place of torment.
Matthew 25:31-36 says, "Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed. . . And these will go away into ETERNAL punishment, but the righteous into ETERNAL life.” Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence. BUT, NO ONE has to go there. Turn to Jesus Christ today.
Could Bro. Bernard explain whether one must pay tithes on money earned the first week of the month, and later on money earned the third week of the month or is it OK to wait until the end of that month to pay tithes on all earned that month? Thank you very much!
But we dont believe in weighted sin or better rewards for "better" believers either so... And what about in Psams 139:8 where David says the God is inescapable because he is omnipresent?
Apostolic life in the 21st century, why do we orally invoke the name of Jesus during baptism? I understand why we baptize in Jesus name praise God but is the spoken “in Jesus name” biblical? Tradition?
Satan rebelled against God in Heaven. Satan deceived a third of the angels to side with him and waged war against Michael and his Army of Angels. Before his name was Satan, it was Lucifer...He was already in Heaven, was among God and the rest of the angels. Now his fate will be the Lake of Fire in the future
I have much respect for Paul Washer as a Preacher and as a God fearing man but in this point he is sharing his personal opinion of the question at hand he might hold to that opinion because he himself has never spoken in tongues there’s ample evidence in scripture about the speaking of tongues now let’s get something clear there’s a gift of tongues which are known languages in which we see the apostles having experience that in the day of Pentecost and also in other bible passages and then there’s the evidence of someone receiving the Holy Spirit in which he speaks in tongues which are unknown the Bible calls it Angelic tongues which men don’t understand themselves what they’re saying because they’re speaking mysteries unless there’s someone with the gift of interpretation those tongues are edifying a man’s spirit only “For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue. If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.” I Corinthians 14:2-5, 13-15, 18-19, 27, 39 NKJV
What about Luke 16:24, where the rich man says he is tormented in this flame. Wouldn't that indicate a physical fire or at least a burning sensation of some kind?
@@marieronhovde1834 clearly not - a person literally physically burning would not be TALKING about, much less asking for a drop of water for his tongue - he would simply be shrieking in unspeakable agony as his flesh was being burned - have you ever experience being burned in the flesh? You ain’t holding a conversation - you are in far too much pain to speak.
@@marieronhovde1834 then it’s an excellent question, and one would need to understand what Jesus was saying in the context of his time and his audience - he speaks of the rich man (interestingly unnamed) being in “Hades,” which is the Greek underworld where all dead go and which includes Tartarus, the section of Hades where the wicked are tormented - Peter mentions it explicitly in 2 Peter 2:4, as the word translated in some English translations as “hell” is actually the Greek word for Tartarus. In 2 Peter 2:4, the specific Greek verb used is "ταρταρώσας" (tartarōsas), which means "having cast into Tartarus." Jewish thought on the date of the dead was influenced in captivity and so the Greek concepts of the underworld no doubt colored their own understandings, and some (though not all) Jews began to believe in a place of torment for the wicked, often associated with Gehenna, a term derived from the Valley of Hinnom, a place outside Jerusalem where refuse and dead bodies were burned. The imagery of fire and burning became a powerful symbol of divine judgement and punishment. Why Jesus used this imagery and connected it to the rich man wanting water to cool his tongue might be a symbol of deep spiritual thirst - the rich man being tormented and facing the emptiness of his material wealth which he did not even share with the needy in front of his face, and now in a place where that material wealth is meaningless and he is in torments with deep longing for spiritual nourishment.
There is no conversing with one another when one is dead according to the scripture, one example (of many) is, Ecc. 9:5 and this would kill the argument on this story being a parable or real. According to Jesus, the place of torment is prepared for the devil and his angels, so how can anyone be there. Satan is still before the throne accusing the brethren. This is a parable to prove His point of how important the Law was to His people, just as the context of this chapter is bringing out.
@@mikeeagan1307 well reasoned - have you considered the possibility that the dying process itself is experienced differently in terms of apparent time? So that mind that is full of guilt for failing to live what we all know we should - “love your neighbor as yourself,” which clearly the rich man in Luke did not - creates a drawn out experience of reconciliation that the dying ego experiences as torment? And that this takes subjectively for the dying ego a substantial apparent amount of time?
When we die as a believer in Jesus will have a new mind and a new body going to heaven. As a Sinner you will still get a new body but it's a body that can not be Consumed When you go to hell and burn. Matthew 13:42. and shall cast them into a Furnace of Fire: There shall be Wailing and Gnashing of teeth That's about how I was taught growing up in a pentecostal Apostolic Acts 2:38-39 church. Tongue talking Holy Ghost filled and water Baptized in the NAME of JESUS.
Separation from God and all the emotions that accompany it are punishments for committing sin. Jesus took ALL the punishment we deserved for our sins. (Matt 27:46)
He was sinless yet died if he wasn't sinless he couldn't cover our sin when he ascended he ascended as a resurrected Christ still a man he went back to himself and when he came back he came back in his glorified body just like when he was glorified with Moses and Elijah at the Mount of transfiguration because he is only one God
@@rtoguidver3651 Jesus was without and had no need to be cleansed of it. He suffered the penalty of it for us but He lived a sinless life from start to finish.
@@JivTurky1986 your logic is broken. If you believe “hell” or the “lake of fire” is a place of eternal conscious torment and that THAT is the punishment for sin, then Jesus clearly didn’t pay that price. The doctrine of hell Bernard and others like him teach is fundamentally broken and easily understood to be blatantly fallacious and blasphemous.
There is no such a thing as an “eternity without God.” You absolutely cannot sustain a belief in a God whose “mercies endure FOREVER” with a God who is inaccessible and whose mercy is thus inaccessible. Eternal DESTRUCTION means DESTRUCTION, DKB, which cannot be undone - it does NOT mean “forever consciously aware and apart from God,” as that is NOT “destruction” at all!
@@JAnthonyProd consequence is real, and judgement is what we all must face - and if we have not understood who we are then we will act to preserve the illusory “self” rather than recognize that our savior is the hungry soul begging us for help, then there is no life after for us after, but eternal destruction. Jesus lays this out starkly in Matthew 25:31-46 when he explains the judgement of all the nations by the Son of Man.
@@rtoguidver3651 do you understand what “destruction” means in “everlasting DESTRUCTION?” It means exactly what it sounds like - DESTRUCTION which cannot be undone. Your soul is not DESTROYED if you are still conscious. Think!!
@@rogersacco4624 not only that, even what IS written does NOT agree with the doctrine Bernard here is promoting. The text flatly contradicts Bernard’s claims.
Thank you so much Bro Bernard! I was raised Greek Orthodox and was invited to a UPC back in 1976 and my life was forever changed after being born again. My Greek parents were also saved. And with that being said, I have been in church for 48 years and I am still learning so much about God's Word from this Podcast. Thank you so much for your lessons, they are life-giving gold nuggets of truth straight from God's Word. You always stick to God's Word in your teaching, not men's traditions. Thank you so much!
Hell is beyond our worst nightmares!
Please pray for me....I want to fully give my life to Jesus Christ 😢
Go to a one God Jesus named Holy Spirit filled church. Obey the gospel of Jesus Christ. Acts 2 38
@@johngreene6780 Yes I will. Thank you.
Find you a good Pentecostal Apostolic church that teaches Acts 2:38 plan of salvation.
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I'm a Pentecostal Apostolic Acts 2:38 believer. You have one of my favorite preacher's on your play list
Bro. Jeff Arnold....I can listen to him all day.
God bless you Brother in Jesus Name
No time like the present to turn to the lord and follow his salvation plan stated clearly in acts 2:38. God loves you and there is no such thing as an unforgivable sin or act except denying that Christ is our lord and savior.
Thank you Brother Bernard!!
Thanks for sharing this theaching for us. GOD bless this podcast. And for both of you, Pastors.
*teachings
Difficult subject well explained.
Thank you Bro Bernard
Thank you, brothers.
I believe it is a place outside the presence of God. Whether fire or not, being outside of God's presence will never be a good experience
Love ya brother
Excellent explanation
Very interesting discussion. I couple thoughts I'll put out there... I don't know if there's a purgatory or not. God is a just God we understand. Romans 2:6 says generally that "He will render to each one according to his works", so maybe there are different forms of punishment. I listened to a catholic priest bring forward the case for purgatory, and I really wanted to hear what he had to say. I expected it to essentially be a false teaching, but they use the parable of the talents in Matthew 25 as a parallel for description of judgement. I'm open to the idea that there is a purgatory, and I guess everyone will find out the whole truth eventually, but I do not hold on to is as an official teaching I suppose. What's interesting is as well, if the Bible is in fact talking about that, it is not explicit about it sort of as to not promote it. It makes sense, because the catholics teach it, and I would say it affects people's approach to church and lifestyle. It sort of becomes a legalistic approach to reward and punishment in the afterlife. Whereas, we focus on the gospel and are focused on receiving heaven and preaching the lifestyle that takes us there. Also, it's pretty clear that the lake of fire, the final judgement... you could say the judgement of all judgements is extremely serious. In revelation 20:10 it says that the false prophet and the devil will finally be thrown into the lake of fire and receive torment day and night for eternity. I kind of thought it was the second "death" (as in "that is that"... done/no more), but it's pretty clear it's the real "hell" that everyone fears. Pretty much the worst nightmare scenario.
I agree Brother. But why then does the Psalmist David say that if he makes his bed in hell, God will be there. Isn’t hell eternal separation from God?
From my understanding, it's because the psalmist wrote the Hebrew word "Sheol" (translated as hell). Which is the waiting place, not Gehenna the place of torment.
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Matthew 25:31-36 says, "Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed. . . And these will go away into ETERNAL punishment, but the righteous into ETERNAL life.” Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence. BUT, NO ONE has to go there. Turn to Jesus Christ today.
Could Bro. Bernard explain whether one must pay tithes on money earned the first week of the month, and later on money earned the third week of the month or is it OK to wait until the end of that month to pay tithes on all earned that month? Thank you very much!
What does Scripture say? Seriously
But we dont believe in weighted sin or better rewards for "better" believers either so...
And what about in Psams 139:8 where David says the God is inescapable because he is omnipresent?
Hell and the Lake of Fire 🔥 are different
True
Do a video on the eternal son
See Episode 58 "Is Jesus the Eternal or Begotten Son of God?" th-cam.com/video/yKe8feZT8Mg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=96E3uxhs8i89ccmW) - Podcast Production Team
Apostolic life in the 21st century, why do we orally invoke the name of Jesus during baptism? I understand why we baptize in Jesus name praise God but is the spoken “in Jesus name” biblical? Tradition?
What did Satan do to go to hell
Satan rebelled against God in Heaven. Satan deceived a third of the angels to side with him and waged war against Michael and his Army of Angels. Before his name was Satan, it was Lucifer...He was already in Heaven, was among God and the rest of the angels. Now his fate will be the Lake of Fire in the future
I have much respect for Paul Washer as a Preacher and as a God fearing man but in this point he is sharing his personal opinion of the question at hand he might hold to that opinion because he himself has never spoken in tongues there’s ample evidence in scripture about the speaking of tongues now let’s get something clear there’s a gift of tongues which are known languages in which we see the apostles having experience that in the day of Pentecost and also in other bible passages and then there’s the evidence of someone receiving the Holy Spirit in which he speaks in tongues which are unknown the Bible calls it Angelic tongues which men don’t understand themselves what they’re saying because they’re speaking mysteries unless there’s someone with the gift of interpretation those tongues are edifying a man’s spirit only “For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue. If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.”
I Corinthians 14:2-5, 13-15, 18-19, 27, 39 NKJV
What about Luke 16:24, where the rich man says he is tormented in this flame. Wouldn't that indicate a physical fire or at least a burning sensation of some kind?
@@marieronhovde1834 clearly not - a person literally physically burning would not be TALKING about, much less asking for a drop of water for his tongue - he would simply be shrieking in unspeakable agony as his flesh was being burned - have you ever experience being burned in the flesh?
You ain’t holding a conversation - you are in far too much pain to speak.
I wasn't referring to flesh burning because it's the soul that would be in hell. I am wondering what flames the rich man was referring to?
@@marieronhovde1834 then it’s an excellent question, and one would need to understand what Jesus was saying in the context of his time and his audience - he speaks of the rich man (interestingly unnamed) being in “Hades,” which is the Greek underworld where all dead go and which includes Tartarus, the section of Hades where the wicked are tormented - Peter mentions it explicitly in 2 Peter 2:4, as the word translated in some English translations as “hell” is actually the Greek word for Tartarus.
In 2 Peter 2:4, the specific Greek verb used is "ταρταρώσας" (tartarōsas), which means "having cast into Tartarus."
Jewish thought on the date of the dead was influenced in captivity and so the Greek concepts of the underworld no doubt colored their own understandings, and some (though not all) Jews began to believe in a place of torment for the wicked, often associated with Gehenna, a term derived from the Valley of Hinnom, a place outside Jerusalem where refuse and dead bodies were burned.
The imagery of fire and burning became a powerful symbol of divine judgement and punishment.
Why Jesus used this imagery and connected it to the rich man wanting water to cool his tongue might be a symbol of deep spiritual thirst - the rich man being tormented and facing the emptiness of his material wealth which he did not even share with the needy in front of his face, and now in a place where that material wealth is meaningless and he is in torments with deep longing for spiritual nourishment.
There is no conversing with one another when one is dead according to the scripture, one example (of many) is, Ecc. 9:5 and this would kill the argument on this story being a parable or real. According to Jesus, the place of torment is prepared for the devil and his angels, so how can anyone be there. Satan is still before the throne accusing the brethren. This is a parable to prove His point of how important the Law was to His people, just as the context of this chapter is bringing out.
@@mikeeagan1307 well reasoned - have you considered the possibility that the dying process itself is experienced differently in terms of apparent time? So that mind that is full of guilt for failing to live what we all know we should - “love your neighbor as yourself,” which clearly the rich man in Luke did not - creates a drawn out experience of reconciliation that the dying ego experiences as torment? And that this takes subjectively for the dying ego a substantial apparent amount of time?
Please show me, not by reasoning, but in scripture, these 2 Compartments you mention that Hell has that people are in.
When we die as a believer in Jesus will have a new mind and a new body going to heaven.
As a Sinner you will still get a new body but it's a body that can not be Consumed When you go to hell and burn.
Matthew 13:42. and shall cast them into a Furnace of Fire: There shall be Wailing and Gnashing of teeth
That's about how I was taught growing up in a pentecostal Apostolic Acts 2:38-39 church.
Tongue talking Holy Ghost filled and water Baptized in the NAME of JESUS.
How can Jesus taste the separation from God when the fullness of the diety dwelled in Jesus? This sounds like speculation not scripture.
Separation from God and all the emotions that accompany it are punishments for committing sin. Jesus took ALL the punishment we deserved for our sins. (Matt 27:46)
As a man he was separated.
He was sinless yet died if he wasn't sinless he couldn't cover our sin when he ascended he ascended as a resurrected Christ still a man he went back to himself and when he came back he came back in his glorified body just like when he was glorified with Moses and Elijah at the Mount of transfiguration because he is only one God
@@rtoguidver3651 Jesus was without and had no need to be cleansed of it. He suffered the penalty of it for us but He lived a sinless life from start to finish.
@@JivTurky1986 your logic is broken. If you believe “hell” or the “lake of fire” is a place of eternal conscious torment and that THAT is the punishment for sin, then Jesus clearly didn’t pay that price.
The doctrine of hell Bernard and others like him teach is fundamentally broken and easily understood to be blatantly fallacious and blasphemous.
Not very different from what the US is today.
There is no such a thing as an “eternity without God.”
You absolutely cannot sustain a belief in a God whose “mercies endure FOREVER” with a God who is inaccessible and whose mercy is thus inaccessible.
Eternal DESTRUCTION means DESTRUCTION, DKB, which cannot be undone - it does NOT mean “forever consciously aware and apart from God,” as that is NOT “destruction” at all!
@@JesusReingsForever that’s a very communist approach to it. No, I love America and I will gladly watch and respond.
Will aborted babies go to Heaven?
Yes, of course an eternal, conscious torment is unjust - God is not unjust.
Your doctrine is nonsense, and blasphemous against God.
What is your position regarding hell and judgement?
@@JAnthonyProd consequence is real, and judgement is what we all must face - and if we have not understood who we are then we will act to preserve the illusory “self” rather than recognize that our savior is the hungry soul begging us for help, then there is no life after for us after, but eternal destruction.
Jesus lays this out starkly in Matthew 25:31-46 when he explains the judgement of all the nations by the Son of Man.
Heaven and Hell by Bart Ehrman.Hell is invented by men and does not exist
These men are committed to their tradition and it will be hard to ever move them off of their confusion about hell, sadly.
@@rtoguidver3651 do you understand what “destruction” means in “everlasting DESTRUCTION?”
It means exactly what it sounds like - DESTRUCTION which cannot be undone.
Your soul is not DESTROYED if you are still conscious. Think!!
Don't be naive You think Ehrman never read those verses ? They are men's ideas and they wrote them down
@@rogersacco4624 not only that, even what IS written does NOT agree with the doctrine Bernard here is promoting.
The text flatly contradicts Bernard’s claims.
@@JesusReingsForever I hear your suggestion and respectfully decline to follow your advice on this matter.