Before I view this video I must express that I have recently been asking for guidance from The Holy Spirit as to who these 24 elders are. Even being subscribed to your channel I didn't see this video notification. I just happened upon it. Glory to God! I can't wait to watch this!
Exodus 19:6 New International Version 6 you[a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” Revelation 1:6-8 English Standard Version 6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail[a] on account of him. Even so. Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
The departure is not simply for you and me. It's also part of the judgement for the earth. What will the earth be like w/o the Christian influence? Without Christian charities, without the fruits of the Spirit?
Great program.....yes..24 elders are humans redeemed and awarded ..could be 12 apostles..12 patriarchy of the 12 tribes representing the O.T. and N.T. Saints
Imagine how the 12 apostles died so horrific. Are we better than them. No, we are not. I believe in the rapture. But I don't know when it will happen. Come Lord Jesus🙏
They did face horrible deaths, and so have many other believers through history, no one disputes that. We may still face persecution, but what we won't face as believers is the wrath of God. That starts in chapter 6 of Revelation.
This was excellent. If we wrote down all the reasons that the 24 Elders are humans after the Bema Seat Judgement versus heavenly angels, the correct interpretation is obvious.
If they will be ruling on earth as kings and Priests, they can not be the Body of Christ Church. We do not rule on earth. That's Israel's promised inheritance. We are eternally in the Heavens. 2 Corinthians 5:1
exactly they are Israel The body of Christ is neither Jew nor Greek but the gentile bride is as the angels/Spirit in Christ and will be drawn out or raptured from the body as Eve was.
@@bugsocsollie1694 Every believer is as a king and priest to God. The whole point/purpose to the Sanctification process is to be fit for our appointed positions in the Millennial Kingdom. That's why Paul was so pressed to see the church mature so to present a mature bride to Christ
@kristenspencer9751 Paul doesn't tell us (the Body of Christ Church) that we rule on earth. He tells us that we rule over the earth and over the Angels (1 Corinthians 6:2-3), but Jesus said that those on earth will be equal to the Angels (Luke 20:36). Paul tells us that we are seated in Christ in Heavenly places (Eph 2:6) far above all principalities and powers (Eph 1:21-23). Paul tells us that our citizenship is in Heaven (Philippians 3:20). Our glory will be different from Israel's glory (1 Cor 15:40-41) because Israel first rejected their Messiah and we first believed. Eph 1:12. We do not get Israel's promised inheritance.
I disagree that there will be people without jobs because God will give everyone a purpose as He has a plan which does not have to be tied to rewards. I believe positions of authority will be part of the rewards.
My pastor said that when Jesus says I go to prepare a place for you, He is going to the cross to MAKE A WAY POSSIBLE. He already said that the rooms, mansions, dwelling places are there but without the cross we can't go. I thought that was incredibly thought provoking. I've always thought that the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven is made up of believers. Remember Jesus would be the chief cornerstone. Then we're told in Revelation 3 that those who overcome I will make a pillar in the temple of God. Jesus is also spoken of as the capstone. So the first stone and the last stone. We are what He's using in between.
Spot on. 1 Chronicles 24 is the basis for the 24 elder selection. 24 elders were appointed by David to serve at the temple. They took turns each serving 2 weeks of each year. The 24 elders represent the royal Priesthood. White robes are reserved for the saints. The victors crown is the type of crown they receive for serving Jesus. The 24 elders represent all of the saints who have been raptured. They represent the royal priesthood. Angelic beings are never called elders, and they don't wear crowns or sit on thrones. So unless there is some other creation that we don't know about, it has to be us. The post-trib people can't explain this because they don't know Revelation. Notice how they always quote you about End Times from the gospels. They don't really have a deep understanding of Revelation. The other reason that the 24 elders are the raptured church is found in the next chronological step in Revelation. After the church age is over, we are raptured. We stand before the Bema seat of Christ and get our reward and our crown. We also get our assignment for where we rule and reign on the earth when we come back with Jesus. This is very important. Jesus told us that the meek shall inherit the earth. What is going on in chapter 5? It's Jesus taking the title deed to earth from God's hand. Before we come back and rule and reign with him, he needs to clear off the wicked from the planet. That is why the beneficiaries are present when he begins to open the scroll and deal out the judgment. We watch him clearing out our planet that we come back to with him at the end of the Tribulation. It's all a perfect sequence from church age, to rapture, to rewards, to eviction process, to return with Christ. Revelation is in chronological order (with the exception of a few chapters which are interludes). Anyone who just takes a random scripture from Matthew 24 and says this is how the end times works, is fooling themselves. Learn to read Revelation in chronological order and see how it all unfold. The road map is right there! Maranatha!
@@seanc2788 Actually The Book of Revelation is in chronological order AFTER the Rapture of the Gentile Bride. Not pictured in The Book of Revelation. The churches that Paul oversaw are not the same as the Revelation Churches. The phrase "THE SON OF MAN" used in Revelation is not used in the epistles of Paul. There is a PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION OF CHRIST coming in power and glory of Revelation but there is no physical description of the Christ in Paul’s writings. The title "THE FIRST AND THE LAST" used in Revelation is nowhere in Paul’s writings "SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS" are words used to describe the seven churches of Asia in Revelation just like the seven golden candlesticks in the tabernacle under Moses. The body of a man, not candlesticks, is used by Paul to symbolize today’s church. Revelation 2:1 shows Christ walking AMONG the seven churches of Revelation. But Paul writes of Christ as dwelling IN His church, and believers dwelling in Him, walking as one new man in Christ "where there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
@@tammysmith1141 It's in chronological order all the way through. Chapter 1 is the things that were. Chapter 2-3 are the things that are. Chapters 4-22 are the things that are to come. Currently we are in Chapter 3:14-22, the church of Laodicea, which is the apostacy when the church falls away. The next event is Revelation 4:1 "come up here." Then we see the church in heaven before the scroll is opened and Jesus exercises his right to the title deed to earth. Then we watch the eviction of the wicked from the planet. Then we return and rule and reign with Christ. Then we live happily ever after.
@@seanc2788 You are following an old belief from the early 1970’s. it is showing things that pertain to the Kingdom Age in chronological order. It specifically says John was in the spirit ON THE LORD’S DAY. It is not addressing the age of Grace-THE LORD’S DAY It is a revelation to show the SERVANTS of Jesus Christ not to show the bride. I listed the things of Paul’s churches during the Age of Grace the indwelling of the Spirit the second definite work of Grace that are not mentioned of these Revelation churches. Next it says to John v19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; THE THINGS THAT JOHN SAW…. John is writing to the servants of Jesus Christ not to the Bride. John did not write of the Rapture because he didn’t see it and it pertains to the Gentile Bride not to the SERVANTS, the seven churches of Revelation. John in vision sees these churches with Christ walking among them but not indwelt in them. This is what “are”. It doesn’t say to write what was. IT SAYS WHAT ARE, THIS IS DURING THE LORD’S DAY What was-was things going on in John’s day WHICH HE ISN’T TOLD TO WRITE ABOUT, this is an error in interpretation , and what was before this revelation was the Rapture that John wasn’t told to write about because he didn’t see it. It was before the Revelation of the Kingdom Age. The Book of Revelation does not pertain to the Gentile Bride church it is DURING THE LORD’S DAY
@@tammysmith1141 You just made my point about how ignorant you are about the book of Revelation and the word of God in general. You cobbled a bunch of random scriptures together that are mis-interpreted and use that to make up heresy that has no basis in reality. Servants are different from the Bride? What false religion to you belong to? The gospel and the epistles are not a complete understanding of Revelation. They were not written after the book of Revelation. If you really want to understand the End Times, you must have a solid understanding of the entire book of Revelation. Clearly you don't because you are one of many who mis-direct people to other random scriptures in the Bible to try and come up with an alternative story. The reason I know you are teaching a false doctrine in the last days, is your use of servants and Gentile Bride. You know that the bride is made up of Jews and Gentiles, right? Or did you just decide to replace Israel with the church? Which one are you? Did you know that in Matthew 24 Jesus is talking to the Jewish people? Those who live in Judea? Or did you somehow twist it to think it was applicable to you? Why do you hold Paul higher that Jesus? You keep referring back to Paul in the epistles. He was under the influence of the Holy Spirit, but in Revelation Jesus is talking directly to John. I would put the words of Jesus above Paul any day of the week. Sorry. Plus the word of God does not contradict itself, so the words of Paul would need to line up with the words of John. So maybe study if one is talking about the rapture, and one is talking about the second coming? They are two separate events. Lots to learn, study better.
Q: The four living creatures also sang a new song: For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood? Rvelation 5:8-9 NKJV [8] Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. [9] And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
Has to be the raptured believers that are from all people, nations, tongues and kindred that have crowns and are in their thrones, that were redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and will be kings and priests. They are also there before the Lamb opens the first seal. Can’t be angels and can’t be post tribulation if we want to be consistent and take the Scriptures literally.
From this discussion I was just pondering the implications of the Noahide laws after the rapture. These laws have been signed by so many American presidents and world leaders but enforcement is the other part.
white 'raiment' is promised to the Christian in Rev.3 and realized after the rapture in Rev.4-5, while white 'robes' are what the Trib saints are given in Rev.6-7, and we see the Church on white horses at the 2cnd coming has now been clothed in white linen for the marriage supper, Rev.19:7-8... MARANATHA!!!
TBH mondo, you always make sense and you have a humble and loving way about you. I don’t get that from Josh Peck. He seems to be about his wisdom. Just saying
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” 2 Corinthians 11:3 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” Salvation is so simple, even a child can understand it. It is simply believing with your whole heart that Jesus’ Sacrifice on Calvary was the total and complete payment for your sin. Plus nothing, minus nothing. Jesus will take you just as you are, sin and all. He came for sinners. You don’t have to change because He will change you. Hebrews 2:3 “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;” So really, what have you got to lose? Looking up!
I find the 24 elders very interesting, always have, I allready seen them in Rev, knowing the redemption, and the elders again then not knowing who this other group were, and then said, these people came out of the great tribulation and washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. There are two groups of people before the 24 elders. I also would like to know more about the Sons of Thunder, and are these the same Thunders involved with the wrath of the lamb, that utter their voices.
@@jeanetteredden24 Well actually, upon reflection, I realised the elders refer to the church and so couldn't comprise anyone from before pentecost when the church was born.
Please comment how the KJV and NKJV both use "we" instead of "they" when the new song is sung. Obviously, the song of the redeemed. Chuck Missler has a study on this that was good to look up and know why I believe what I believe. God's word is always true.
The Book of Revelation is showing the Kingdom Age Not The Age of Grace Grace is still available but not in the same way The age of Grace is for developing the Spirit beings to replace the fallen angels that left their first estate. It is the reason for the pause in the prophetic timeline. To develop those ordained from the foundations
@@EC-fb2ks Which of the 12 tribes has not been scattered to every nation in the past millennia, especially the one after the last Temple fell to Rome? We have some of each living right here in the US of A ... Meshiah is calling them back now. You and , they for that matter, may believe their return is based on something else; but it really is not. They're returning home, and they will recognize "Him whom they have pierced". It is no wonder they haven't been able to witness Meshiah in the witness of the 'mixed message' Church at large. Those that read Scripture DO know Him; or, aspects of Him, that the Church is still wrestling with.
This is what Moses prayed for, 1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; BUT THEN FACE TO FACE: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Honest questions about 24 Elders vs the Divine Council. When Josh says that the Angels don’t sing the song of redemption, the Bible says in Revelation 5:8-10, the 4 Beasts (believed to be cheribum or a type of serph/cheribum) are lying down, worshipping and singing the new song with the Elders. Also, with regards to the vials of the prayers of the saints in Revelation 5:8 & 8:3-5, we see the elders holding them with harps, and then later in chapter 8, it talks about an angel taking the saints prayers and pouring them out. It seems strange that the duties of the heavenly throne room would start with a the order of the 24 redeemed human and then be passed off to the order of angels to do the ritual. Seems not to mirror the happenings on the Jewish earthly temple. Can you help clarify for me?
Angels will due many things including wearing crowns and sitting on thrones. Joint heirs doesn’t mean you “get what Christ gets”, he could put you over a street and you’d still be an heir but you are not over EVERYTHING as Christ is. My brothers and sisters, humble yourselves before the Lord.
I have a question too, in the book of Daniel, he is told to seal the book until the time of the end, the book he was shown is about the end times. Revelations has a book with seals too, that only Jesus can open the seals, is this book Daniels and Revelations the same book, this just jumped out at me, never seen this before, I believe it is from the Lord.
Hang on!! So; if I do real poorly in my Christian walk, I don't have to work in the millennium? And if I do good here, I will have to work even more in the millennium? That sounds like a terrible deal!
I had always speculated that the 24 elders were the Patriarchs and the Apostles, 12 each. I had also thought that the sea of glass before the throne of God were the Manchild group from Revelation 12 that were taken before the tribulation. A sea represents people and glass would infer a transparency and purity, as well as, no fire, meaning not having been through the tribulation. In contrast, later there is a sea of people that are mixed with fire that come out of the great tribulation.
Maybe the song of Moses and the song of the redeemed include the word them so that the Angels can sing along without it being ambiguous to them the angels
Just like Michael contended with the devil over the body of Moses, why can’t these 24 be exceptions who were drawn up to the throne room before the rest of the body is raptured or caught up?
I see no problem with the 24 elders not being Christians at all but being the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles especially since they are honored by having the gates and foundations of the New Jerusalem named after them. As an aside, I see no problem with the two witnesses being Elijah and Moses especially since they are seen being with Jesus at the Transfiguration. Could Elijah and Moses be getting instructions from their master as what their mission is during the first part of the Tribulation? It is a speculation but it seems like it could be the possibility explanation of why they meet in the first place.
Cannot be so because it is clear that they are from “every kindred, tongue, nation and people”… the patriarch and the apostles were of two tongues, of one nation, of one people of one kindred. As far as the witnesses go, I don’t see scripture giving a clear definition of them, could be John and Ezekiel as they are the only two prophets that ate a book, or could be 2 random believers given that task, or could be Enoch and Elijah though not all will die once as the raptured believer won’t die so the case for them is tough, as it is with Moses and Elijah, the Almighty can give to anyone the power to cast plagues and fire, I don’t see the need to be them. The 2 witnesses is a tough one, the 24 elders though are an easy evidence upon many of the pre tribulation rapture event.
@@SIPRising33 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
This would make sense. Because the 70th week is upon Israel and Jerusalem. Jesus said that the apostles would sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel, Matt 19:28. I don't think the church has any part of the 70th week. This still allows for a pre-trib case.
12 right thrones + 12 left thrones sons of God(7000) + servants of God(144000) sons of gospel + servants of law Kings + priests Raptured brides + 3.5yr latter tribulation Noah + his families Joshep + his brothers Daniel + his friends .... Loyal family + nobles + citizens(millenial kingdom)
Mine & gain pi coin.. that's like Goshen land for the servants in tribulation. Hand it over to the servants like Joshep did to his brothers before rapture.
I assume you're talking about Jesus purchasing us with his sacrifice (our salvation/we are his bride). We belong to him, hence his true followers are the bride of Christ. In their culture, the man has to pay a price for his bride then he sets up a place at his father's house for him and his bride to go to for a set of 7 (days,weeks,months, or years) and he will come get his bride and take her there. That is exactly what Jesus said, that he has many mansions and he'll prepare a place at his father's house (God's Heaven) and he will come and get us and take us there (rapture).
Maybe look at it this way... We were enslaved to sin=death. The sacrificial blood of Jesus saved us from that death. Our freedom was purchased by Jesus.
@@mdschweikert Devil isnt paid for anything hes just doing what he wants and ppl who dont accept Jesus, accept him by default. Cause there is only 2 sides, Good and Evil, God or Satan. If you are on the fence, The fence belongs to satan.
The numbers 12 and 24 relate to the tribes and priests. They were redeemed from every nation and so on because the tribes were scattered into all the world by deportations. Many never came back. Most of the Northern kingdom went through the Caucasus Mountains and didn’t return until the last days when Christianity brought them back to the Father. They are the 24 elders. The gentile church is marked by the number 7 as the 7 gentile tribes mixed with the Northern Tribes when they lived in the north. These of Northern Israel became more gentile than Israel like. Paul’s ministry was to draw all those back from the wandering. There is a difference between the churches of Paul and the churches of Revelation. I itemized them in comment on the full video this one was taken from. The churches of Revelation are very Israel flavored no indwelling Spirit. Paul’s churches are in dwelt therefore they are the Raptured Gentile Bride not pictured here. ❗️The bride is drawn out of the body of Christ just as Eve was taken out of Adam.
So talk to us about the 288,000 of David's standing army! 144,000 x2 ! I know you are not brave enough even to touch that! Because it would go against the Christian tradition that has been established as truth...We know what the Lord Yeshua thought about man made traditions that are passed off as Holy Truth!
I did too, but then when I was reading my Bible and it looks like the Old Testament Saints aren’t redeemed until the 2nd Coming at the end of the 7 year Tribulation.
@@MaranathaMaryKate I was wondering if you could also point me to the scriptures here for that, I may already know it but you might know something I dont, which is why I ask. (I actually just wanna add it to my notes as well.) This topic can be hard to gather online too.
@@dragvarrenegade9363 I do the same thing, I keep note in my phone as I study out certain topics so I can reference them! I am currently on my 5th round of reading the Bible cover to cover so I am by no means an expert, but what comes to mind is the difference in the judgements. Those in the rapture at the Bema Seat judgement are given rewards for their good deeds and the all other deeds are burned up, those who are raised for the Great White Throne Judgment some are raised to eternal life, others to hell. I will add this to my list for this year to start taking notes, but I will pull some verses to consider for you and post them below as I come across them. Feel free to do the same for me!!! We are called to be Bereans and I enjoy searching the scriptures daily!!!!
@@MaranathaMaryKate No, the Tribulation saints will not be redeemed till the end of that 7 years. All the saints whose bodies are presently in the ground from the beginning will rise at the shout before we will.
Can you imagine the courts of God. Everything has a purpose. Satan could petition God saying how can you judge the humans when you weren't human and their committing crimes against you. Jesus Christ prophesize to be the vessel of God. In the beginning the word was God and the word was God. Had to be born of a virgin. A perfect vessel. 40 days and 40 nights in the wilderness and Satan tempt him. Satan didn't know who he was. If you were the son of God say he didn't know. After the resurrection they said if we knew we wouldn't have did this.
Satan KNEW Jesus was the "son of God" - he tried to trick Jesus into doing a miracle "as a divine being" instead of Man. Jesus only did miracles as a human man, so we humans could do miracles in his Name & by His power.
Very informative discussion, thank you.
Thank You Jesus for helping me get home! Because of Jesus I have Peace!
Keep learning. Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Thank you both for your teaching. ❤
Before I view this video I must express that I have recently been asking for guidance from The Holy Spirit as to who these 24 elders are. Even being subscribed to your channel I didn't see this video notification. I just happened upon it. Glory to God! I can't wait to watch this!
Exodus 19:6
New International Version
6 you[a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”
Revelation 1:6-8
English Standard Version
6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail[a] on account of him. Even so. Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Blessed Hope = Peace Thank you Jesus!
Thank you, my brothers, for this wonderful teaching moment!
Great team here! Love having Josh a part of your team!!!! 💥
Plus, you’re going through the trib and get your head chopped off so comfort one another with these words. Yikes! Thank you Yeshua for the escape!
The departure is not simply for you and me. It's also part of the judgement for the earth. What will the earth be like w/o the Christian influence? Without Christian charities, without the fruits of the Spirit?
Great study.
Keep the studies coming. ❤️them. I take notes with the Scriptures so I can document what is said and share with friends.
Great program.....yes..24 elders are humans redeemed and awarded ..could be 12 apostles..12 patriarchy of the 12 tribes representing the O.T. and N.T. Saints
Imagine how the 12 apostles died so horrific.
Are we better than them.
No, we are not. I believe in the rapture. But I don't know when it will happen. Come Lord Jesus🙏
They did face horrible deaths, and so have many other believers through history, no one disputes that. We may still face persecution, but what we won't face as believers is the wrath of God. That starts in chapter 6 of Revelation.
This was excellent. If we wrote down all the reasons that the 24 Elders are humans after the Bema Seat Judgement versus heavenly angels, the correct interpretation is obvious.
If they will be ruling on earth as kings and Priests, they can not be the Body of Christ Church. We do not rule on earth. That's Israel's promised inheritance. We are eternally in the Heavens. 2 Corinthians 5:1
exactly they are Israel
The body of Christ is neither Jew nor Greek but the gentile bride is as the angels/Spirit in Christ and will be drawn out or raptured from the body as Eve was.
@@bugsocsollie1694 Every believer is as a king and priest to God. The whole point/purpose to the Sanctification process is to be fit for our appointed positions in the Millennial Kingdom. That's why Paul was so pressed to see the church mature so to present a mature bride to Christ
@kristenspencer9751 Paul doesn't tell us (the Body of Christ Church) that we rule on earth. He tells us that we rule over the earth and over the Angels (1 Corinthians 6:2-3), but Jesus said that those on earth will be equal to the Angels (Luke 20:36). Paul tells us that we are seated in Christ in Heavenly places (Eph 2:6) far above all principalities and powers (Eph 1:21-23). Paul tells us that our citizenship is in Heaven (Philippians 3:20). Our glory will be different from Israel's glory (1 Cor 15:40-41) because Israel first rejected their Messiah and we first believed. Eph 1:12. We do not get Israel's promised inheritance.
I disagree that there will be people without jobs because God will give everyone a purpose as He has a plan which does not have to be tied to rewards. I believe positions of authority will be part of the rewards.
I never heard Missler say that but oh my gosh, that is exactly what I said when someone tried to convince me of post trib rapture-the yo yo theory 😊😊
Missler was the best!!!
That was really good gents
This was so encouraging! Thank you!
My pastor said that when Jesus says I go to prepare a place for you, He is going to the cross to MAKE A WAY POSSIBLE. He already said that the rooms, mansions, dwelling places are there but without the cross we can't go. I thought that was incredibly thought provoking. I've always thought that the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven is made up of believers. Remember Jesus would be the chief cornerstone. Then we're told in Revelation 3 that those who overcome I will make a pillar in the temple of God. Jesus is also spoken of as the capstone. So the first stone and the last stone. We are what He's using in between.
No the cross is gone!!!! Hello he’s been resurrected and it’s said in His 40 days return
Almost home, thank You Jesus for everything I love You. Almost home.
Spot on. 1 Chronicles 24 is the basis for the 24 elder selection. 24 elders were appointed by David to serve at the temple. They took turns each serving 2 weeks of each year. The 24 elders represent the royal Priesthood. White robes are reserved for the saints. The victors crown is the type of crown they receive for serving Jesus. The 24 elders represent all of the saints who have been raptured. They represent the royal priesthood.
Angelic beings are never called elders, and they don't wear crowns or sit on thrones. So unless there is some other creation that we don't know about, it has to be us. The post-trib people can't explain this because they don't know Revelation. Notice how they always quote you about End Times from the gospels. They don't really have a deep understanding of Revelation.
The other reason that the 24 elders are the raptured church is found in the next chronological step in Revelation. After the church age is over, we are raptured. We stand before the Bema seat of Christ and get our reward and our crown. We also get our assignment for where we rule and reign on the earth when we come back with Jesus. This is very important. Jesus told us that the meek shall inherit the earth. What is going on in chapter 5? It's Jesus taking the title deed to earth from God's hand. Before we come back and rule and reign with him, he needs to clear off the wicked from the planet. That is why the beneficiaries are present when he begins to open the scroll and deal out the judgment. We watch him clearing out our planet that we come back to with him at the end of the Tribulation. It's all a perfect sequence from church age, to rapture, to rewards, to eviction process, to return with Christ. Revelation is in chronological order (with the exception of a few chapters which are interludes).
Anyone who just takes a random scripture from Matthew 24 and says this is how the end times works, is fooling themselves. Learn to read Revelation in chronological order and see how it all unfold. The road map is right there! Maranatha!
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Actually The Book of Revelation is in chronological order AFTER the Rapture of the Gentile Bride. Not pictured in The Book of Revelation.
The churches that Paul oversaw are not the same as the Revelation Churches.
The phrase "THE SON OF MAN" used in Revelation is not used in the epistles of Paul.
There is a PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION OF CHRIST coming in power and glory of Revelation but there is no physical description of the Christ in Paul’s writings.
The title "THE FIRST AND THE LAST" used in Revelation is nowhere in Paul’s writings
"SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS" are words used to describe the seven churches of Asia in Revelation just like the seven golden candlesticks in the tabernacle under Moses.
The body of a man, not candlesticks, is used by Paul to symbolize today’s church.
Revelation 2:1 shows Christ walking AMONG the seven churches of Revelation. But Paul writes of Christ as dwelling IN His church, and believers dwelling in Him, walking as one new man in Christ
"where there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
@@tammysmith1141 It's in chronological order all the way through. Chapter 1 is the things that were. Chapter 2-3 are the things that are. Chapters 4-22 are the things that are to come. Currently we are in Chapter 3:14-22, the church of Laodicea, which is the apostacy when the church falls away. The next event is Revelation 4:1 "come up here."
Then we see the church in heaven before the scroll is opened and Jesus exercises his right to the title deed to earth.
Then we watch the eviction of the wicked from the planet.
Then we return and rule and reign with Christ.
Then we live happily ever after.
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You are following an old belief from the early 1970’s.
it is showing things that pertain to the Kingdom Age in chronological order.
It specifically says John was in the spirit ON THE LORD’S DAY. It is not addressing the age of Grace-THE LORD’S DAY
It is a revelation to show the SERVANTS of Jesus Christ not to show the bride.
I listed the things of Paul’s churches during the Age of Grace the indwelling of the Spirit the second definite work of Grace that are not mentioned of these Revelation churches.
Next it says to John
v19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
THE THINGS THAT JOHN SAW….
John is writing to the servants of Jesus Christ not to the Bride.
John did not write of the Rapture because he didn’t see it and it pertains to the Gentile Bride not to the SERVANTS, the seven churches of Revelation.
John in vision sees these churches with Christ walking among them but not indwelt in them. This is what “are”.
It doesn’t say to write what was. IT SAYS WHAT ARE, THIS IS DURING THE LORD’S DAY
What was-was things going on in John’s day WHICH HE ISN’T TOLD TO WRITE ABOUT, this is an error in interpretation , and what was before this revelation was the Rapture that John wasn’t told to write about because he didn’t see it. It was before the Revelation of the Kingdom Age.
The Book of Revelation does not pertain to the Gentile Bride church it is DURING THE LORD’S DAY
@@tammysmith1141 You just made my point about how ignorant you are about the book of Revelation and the word of God in general. You cobbled a bunch of random scriptures together that are mis-interpreted and use that to make up heresy that has no basis in reality. Servants are different from the Bride? What false religion to you belong to?
The gospel and the epistles are not a complete understanding of Revelation. They were not written after the book of Revelation. If you really want to understand the End Times, you must have a solid understanding of the entire book of Revelation. Clearly you don't because you are one of many who mis-direct people to other random scriptures in the Bible to try and come up with an alternative story.
The reason I know you are teaching a false doctrine in the last days, is your use of servants and Gentile Bride. You know that the bride is made up of Jews and Gentiles, right? Or did you just decide to replace Israel with the church? Which one are you? Did you know that in Matthew 24 Jesus is talking to the Jewish people? Those who live in Judea? Or did you somehow twist it to think it was applicable to you?
Why do you hold Paul higher that Jesus? You keep referring back to Paul in the epistles. He was under the influence of the Holy Spirit, but in Revelation Jesus is talking directly to John. I would put the words of Jesus above Paul any day of the week. Sorry. Plus the word of God does not contradict itself, so the words of Paul would need to line up with the words of John. So maybe study if one is talking about the rapture, and one is talking about the second coming? They are two separate events. Lots to learn, study better.
Q: The four living creatures also sang a new song: For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood? Rvelation 5:8-9 NKJV
[8] Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. [9] And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
Has to be the raptured believers that are from all people, nations, tongues and kindred that have crowns and are in their thrones, that were redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and will be kings and priests.
They are also there before the Lamb opens the first seal.
Can’t be angels and can’t be post tribulation if we want to be consistent and take the Scriptures literally.
Thanks for the great video!
From this discussion I was just pondering the implications of the Noahide laws after the rapture. These laws have been signed by so many American presidents and world leaders but enforcement is the other part.
Very few Americans even know about the Noahide laws that are kept under wraps.
white 'raiment' is promised to the Christian in Rev.3 and realized after the rapture in Rev.4-5, while white 'robes' are what the Trib saints are given in Rev.6-7, and we see the Church on white horses at the 2cnd coming has now been clothed in white linen for the marriage supper, Rev.19:7-8... MARANATHA!!!
TBH mondo, you always make sense and you have a humble and loving way about you. I don’t get that from Josh Peck. He seems to be about his wisdom. Just saying
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
Romans 10:13 “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
2 Corinthians 11:3 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”
Salvation is so simple, even a child can understand it. It is simply believing with your whole heart that Jesus’ Sacrifice on Calvary was the total and complete payment for your sin. Plus nothing, minus nothing. Jesus will take you just as you are, sin and all. He came for sinners. You don’t have to change because He will change you.
Hebrews 2:3 “How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;”
So really, what have you got to lose?
Looking up!
Thank you, gentlemen. God bless you in your efforts.
I find the 24 elders very interesting, always have, I allready seen them in Rev, knowing the redemption, and the elders again then not knowing who this other group were, and then said, these people came out of the great tribulation and washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. There are two groups of people before the 24 elders. I also would like to know more about the Sons of Thunder, and are these the same Thunders involved with the wrath of the lamb, that utter their voices.
Conjecture: Perhaps the 24 elders comprise 12 from the old and 12 from the new testaments.
I would think they would be people like Abraham, Moses, etc for OT and maybe the original disciples (-Judas) & Paul for NT.
@@jeanetteredden24 Well actually, upon reflection, I realised the elders refer to the church and so couldn't comprise anyone from before pentecost when the church was born.
Please comment how the KJV and NKJV both use "we" instead of "they" when the new song is sung. Obviously, the song of the redeemed. Chuck Missler has a study on this that was good to look up and know why I believe what I believe. God's word is always true.
Yes, His word is true but men’s translations and interpretations and downright fraudulent changes…like in Codex Sinaiticus…are not true.
The 24 Elders are the head priestly class of the entire Church. Think of them as 24 “Popes” in Heaven.
The Book of Revelation is showing the Kingdom Age
Not The Age of Grace
Grace is still available but not in the same way
The age of Grace is for developing the Spirit beings to replace the fallen angels that left their first estate. It is the reason for the pause in the prophetic timeline. To develop those ordained from the foundations
Could be the 12 Apostles and 12 from the tribes of Israel (one from each tribe), just like the New Jerusalem foundation stones and gates.
No because rev5:9 has them describe themselves as the redeemed out of every kindred and tongue, and people, and nation.
@@EC-fb2ks Which of the 12 tribes has not been scattered to every nation in the past millennia, especially the one after the last Temple fell to Rome?
We have some of each living right here in the US of A ... Meshiah is calling them back now. You and , they for that matter, may believe their return is based on something else; but it really is not. They're returning home, and they will recognize "Him whom they have pierced".
It is no wonder they haven't been able to witness Meshiah in the witness of the 'mixed message' Church at large.
Those that read Scripture DO know Him; or, aspects of Him, that the Church is still wrestling with.
Re: Comments on what the different eschatological divisions think about the 24 elders (10:51 minute marker):
God Bless You Mondo!
This is what Moses prayed for, 1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; BUT THEN FACE TO FACE: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
I have always believed they were the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles!
The Patriarch's aren't "in Christ." See what John the Baptist says in John 3:27-31.
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What a great message, I always learn new nuggets, Praise God 🙏❤️🙏 Thank you and God Bless you.
CHUCK MISSLER Explained this !!!!
Remember the 12 gates and 12 foundations of the New Jerusalem!
I was going to say the same thing.
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I’ve heard post trib people say they see John 14:2 as Jesus speaking of bringing believers to heaven after death
Honest questions about 24 Elders vs the Divine Council.
When Josh says that the Angels don’t sing the song of redemption, the Bible says in Revelation 5:8-10, the 4 Beasts (believed to be cheribum or a type of serph/cheribum) are lying down, worshipping and singing the new song with the Elders.
Also, with regards to the vials of the prayers of the saints in Revelation 5:8 & 8:3-5, we see the elders holding them with harps, and then later in chapter 8, it talks about an angel taking the saints prayers and pouring them out. It seems strange that the duties of the heavenly throne room would start with a the order of the 24 redeemed human and then be passed off to the order of angels to do the ritual. Seems not to mirror the happenings on the Jewish earthly temple. Can you help clarify for me?
Angels will due many things including wearing crowns and sitting on thrones. Joint heirs doesn’t mean you “get what Christ gets”, he could put you over a street and you’d still be an heir but you are not over EVERYTHING as Christ is. My brothers and sisters, humble yourselves before the Lord.
What Scripture says that angels will wear crowns? Or sit on thrones?
Your version is believable however we really won’t know till we arrive.
I have a question too, in the book of Daniel, he is told to seal the book until the time of the end, the book he was shown is about the end times. Revelations has a book with seals too, that only Jesus can open the seals, is this book Daniels and Revelations the same book, this just jumped out at me, never seen this before, I believe it is from the Lord.
Hang on!! So; if I do real poorly in my Christian walk, I don't have to work in the millennium? And if I do good here, I will have to work even more in the millennium?
That sounds like a terrible deal!
John being called to "come up here..." through the open door and finds the 24 Elders. Perhaps the Rapture had already happened.
I believe they are the 12 PROPHETS & 12 APOSTLES
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I had always speculated that the 24 elders were the Patriarchs and the Apostles, 12 each.
I had also thought that the sea of glass before the throne of God were the Manchild group from Revelation 12 that were taken before the tribulation. A sea represents people and glass would infer a transparency and purity, as well as, no fire, meaning not having been through the tribulation.
In contrast, later there is a sea of people that are mixed with fire that come out of the great tribulation.
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Weird picture in thumbnail, considering there’s no shadows of darkness in heaven
Maybe the song of Moses and the song of the redeemed include the word them so that the Angels can sing along without it being ambiguous to them the angels
What software does Mondo use?
The 24 elders are nether increased or decreased regardless of events. Could it be God chose this number because He wanted to?
Yeah that thumbnail is creepy…
Just like Michael contended with the devil over the body of Moses, why can’t these 24 be exceptions who were drawn up to the throne room before the rest of the body is raptured or caught up?
Great analysis on proving the age of grace saints.
I don’t think that the video proves a pre-trib rapture (I’m pre-wrath rapture)
* You mean like the ones from Paradise that Jesus Christ took to Heaven after His resurrection?
I see no problem with the 24 elders not being Christians at all but being the 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles especially since they are honored by having the gates and foundations of the New Jerusalem named after them. As an aside, I see no problem with the two witnesses being Elijah and Moses especially since they are seen being with Jesus at the Transfiguration. Could Elijah and Moses be getting instructions from their master as what their mission is during the first part of the Tribulation? It is a speculation but it seems like it could be the possibility explanation of why they meet in the first place.
Cannot be so because it is clear that they are from “every kindred, tongue, nation and people”… the patriarch and the apostles were of two tongues, of one nation, of one people of one kindred.
As far as the witnesses go, I don’t see scripture giving a clear definition of them, could be John and Ezekiel as they are the only two prophets that ate a book, or could be 2 random believers given that task, or could be Enoch and Elijah though not all will die once as the raptured believer won’t die so the case for them is tough, as it is with Moses and Elijah, the Almighty can give to anyone the power to cast plagues and fire, I don’t see the need to be them.
The 2 witnesses is a tough one, the 24 elders though are an easy evidence upon many of the pre tribulation rapture event.
@John8_36 it doesn't say that bud
@@SIPRising33 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
@MarcAlan_ i just read it and it says redeemed your people. Not redeemed us elders. Their is a lot more than 24 tribes nations and languages.
This would make sense. Because the 70th week is upon Israel and Jerusalem. Jesus said that the apostles would sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel, Matt 19:28. I don't think the church has any part of the 70th week. This still allows for a pre-trib case.
Is this a repeated video. I'm pretty sure I've seen this.
The description box has a “watch the full video here” link, so yes, you’ve heard it before. Yah bless
It's a clip from a longer podcast
Maybe 24 hours in a day
12 right thrones + 12 left thrones
sons of God(7000) + servants of God(144000)
sons of gospel + servants of law
Kings + priests
Raptured brides + 3.5yr latter tribulation
Noah + his families
Joshep + his brothers
Daniel + his friends
....
Loyal family + nobles + citizens(millenial kingdom)
Mine & gain pi coin.. that's like Goshen land for the servants in tribulation. Hand it over to the servants like Joshep did to his brothers before rapture.
The tribulation is 7 years total, the Great Tribulation is the final 3 1/2 years.
@@MaranathaMaryKate corrected
It would be nice to slow down for those of us who listen slower...😉
You can use the gear tool embedded in the video to listen to it at a slower speed, if that helps
Who did He buy us from?
I assume you're talking about Jesus purchasing us with his sacrifice (our salvation/we are his bride). We belong to him, hence his true followers are the bride of Christ. In their culture, the man has to pay a price for his bride then he sets up a place at his father's house for him and his bride to go to for a set of 7 (days,weeks,months, or years) and he will come get his bride and take her there. That is exactly what Jesus said, that he has many mansions and he'll prepare a place at his father's house (God's Heaven) and he will come and get us and take us there (rapture).
@@SpellbreakerDwavo I meant since if you are unsaved your father is the devil, was the devil being paid or was the father?
Maybe look at it this way...
We were enslaved to sin=death.
The sacrificial blood of Jesus saved us from that death.
Our freedom was purchased by Jesus.
@@mdschweikert Devil isnt paid for anything hes just doing what he wants and ppl who dont accept Jesus, accept him by default. Cause there is only 2 sides, Good and Evil, God or Satan. If you are on the fence, The fence belongs to satan.
The numbers 12 and 24 relate to the tribes and priests.
They were redeemed from every nation and so on because the tribes were scattered into all the world by deportations. Many never came back. Most of the Northern kingdom went through the Caucasus Mountains and didn’t return until the last days when Christianity brought them back to the Father. They are the 24 elders.
The gentile church is marked by the number 7 as the 7 gentile tribes mixed with the Northern Tribes when they lived in the north. These of Northern Israel became more gentile than Israel like.
Paul’s ministry was to draw all those back from the wandering.
There is a difference between the churches of Paul and the churches of Revelation.
I itemized them in comment on the full video this one was taken from.
The churches of Revelation are very Israel flavored no indwelling Spirit. Paul’s churches are in dwelt therefore they are the Raptured Gentile Bride not pictured here.
❗️The bride is drawn out of the body of Christ just as Eve was taken out of Adam.
So talk to us about the 288,000 of David's standing army! 144,000 x2 ! I know you are not brave enough even to touch that! Because it would go against the Christian tradition that has been established as truth...We know what the Lord Yeshua thought about man made traditions that are passed off as Holy Truth!
My Greek version says us.
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I always thought that 12 represented the Old Testament saints and 12 represented the New Testament saints.
How is John chronicling it as he sees them as one of them then?
I did too, but then when I was reading my Bible and it looks like the Old Testament Saints aren’t redeemed until the 2nd Coming at the end of the 7 year Tribulation.
@@MaranathaMaryKate I was wondering if you could also point me to the scriptures here for that, I may already know it but you might know something I dont, which is why I ask. (I actually just wanna add it to my notes as well.) This topic can be hard to gather online too.
@@dragvarrenegade9363 I do the same thing, I keep note in my phone as I study out certain topics so I can reference them! I am currently on my 5th round of reading the Bible cover to cover so I am by no means an expert, but what comes to mind is the difference in the judgements. Those in the rapture at the Bema Seat judgement are given rewards for their good deeds and the all other deeds are burned up, those who are raised for the Great White Throne Judgment some are raised to eternal life, others to hell. I will add this to my list for this year to start taking notes, but I will pull some verses to consider for you and post them below as I come across them. Feel free to do the same for me!!! We are called to be Bereans and I enjoy searching the scriptures daily!!!!
@@MaranathaMaryKate No, the Tribulation saints will not be redeemed till the end of that 7 years. All the saints whose bodies are presently in the ground from the beginning will rise at the shout before we will.
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Can you imagine the courts of God.
Everything has a purpose. Satan could petition God saying how can you judge the humans when you weren't human and their committing crimes against you. Jesus Christ prophesize to be the vessel of God. In the beginning the word was God and the word was God.
Had to be born of a virgin. A perfect vessel. 40 days and 40 nights in the wilderness and Satan tempt him. Satan didn't know who he was. If you were the son of God say he didn't know. After the resurrection they said if we knew we wouldn't have did this.
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Satan KNEW Jesus was the "son of God" - he tried to trick Jesus into doing a miracle "as a divine being" instead of Man. Jesus only did miracles as a human man, so we humans could do miracles in his Name & by His power.