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Not too much to say this time around. I just really liked the story of this game. When I completed the game for this video, I felt a feeling a satisfaction that came from seeing the story through to the end. It was just the whole package. A fun game with a good story that compliments it excellently. While I do think Rush Adventure is a better game than Rush, the real thing that pushes it over for me is the story. It's just about as good as it gets for Sonic, if you ask me.
One small detail I left out was that in the first Rush game, Blaze mentions she's afraid of heights. (Ironic as she is the more air capable character in gameplay.) And that comes back up when they get to Sky Babylon. There's a fun scene of her panicking and insisting everyone get away from the ledge. Again, good character moments like that are all over the game.
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I feel like Marine is an alternate dimension Tails like Blaze is to Sonic because if you look at blaze, almost everything about her parallels Sonic.
Like how she's formal, uptight, has a quick temper and she's scared of what her powers could do to the people around her so she pushed everyone away and isolated herself but after rush she starts to accept the people around more and will tolerate people instead of quickly dismissing them
but Sonic has always been open, carefree, relaxed and not much really bothers him as well as he does as much as he can to help the people around him.
But they aren't complete opposites as they are both heroic and do they're best for the greater good.
If you look at Tails and Marine, Tails grew up bullied by everyone around him supposedly he had no-one to trust or rely on, he was on his own and felt alone and then he meets Sonic and becomes his protege
He was quite, polite, smart and highly capable but also timid and kind of cowardly at times but he later realised he could be cool like Sonic and be a hero.
Marine on the other hand is like Tails' opposite
She's been surrounded by alot of people who've taken care of her and care about her for her whole life.
She is loud, obnoxious, ignorant and cant do much but pretends that she can, as well as she's confident and although she has been scared she is more brave and nonchalant towards most things, but it took a group of people she cares about to break her fantasy of herself and make her realise that she has to grow and improve if she wants to live up to that fantasy version of herself.
And like Sonic and Blaze, Tails and Marine both share something major about their characters which is their love of machines and building them.
Ofcourse there love of machines are for different reasons and Tails is leagues above Marine, but like Tails building machines is a big part of her character that connects them as characters
And the SS-Marine was something that she was working on throughout the story.
Thats just my opinion tho and if it's wrong then that's fine too but i like Marine she's a solid B tier character for me
While I totally get your points about Marine and Tails so do I always seen Marine more as a opposite to Cream.
Personality wise do almost all of the things you talked about with Tails also apply to Cream but even more so as Cream is even more polite, well-mannered and selfless.
Cream is also pretty much the opposite towards Marine in design and wants, what I mean is
Cream wants to life a nice happy regular live
Marine wants to life an action filled adventures life
Cream wants to avoid violence when possible
Marine seeks actions wherever she can.
Cream is truthful and holds back for the sake of others
Marine is willing to manipulate people and can be really self-centered at times.
Cream wears a more lady like attire with a dress with a tie and even her gloves have gold buttons on them
Marine wears a more casual tomboyish outfit with tight shorts and a lose shirt and her Gloves just like Big's are big brown fisher/worker gloves.
And for the story Cream is really easy to be friends with while being friends with Marine will lead to a lot of chaos which fits for Blaze as she learned to make Frinds with Cream and now becomes friends with a far more chaotic girl.
@@rynobehnke8289 ngl you've opened my eyes about that i didn't even think about Cream and i can see where your coming from cause your points are solid. Tails and Cream share afew key similarities in their personalities like their polite, peaceful and quiet
But I still think Tails character wise (so not just personality wise but also background, development, and plot significance) fits more as an alternate dimension character because tho Cream Clashes with Marine personality and design wise she has a limited background.
All we know is that she lived with her Mother and was taught to be polite which isn't much.
As for developing as a character the most we got was that Cream didn't like violence but she was introduced as a character who could destroy bosses and enemies easily (and happily cause she didn't stop smiling) so it came of kind of jarring but some what understandale and that was really it, Cream isn't really
developed outside of Battle.
And her role is mostly to question Amy's more impulsive and reckless decisions to then be ignored or silenced for the sake of comedy like in heroes, rush, and battle and then she became an extra spinoff character because Amy matured for a bit and then reverted but then matured again and because she matured Cream can't do much to be her voice of reason.
From everything we know about Marine it seems to mirror that of Tails in my opinion but i do now think that Cream did inspire Marine's design and other personality quirks
But can i ask when Marine tried to manipulate anyone because i only remember her begging, shouting and yelling for what she wanted and that stuck out to me
Marine is definitely Tails' counterpart. Just like Blaze is Sonic's.
Marine is also a year younger than Tails,wich matches up with the fact that Blaze is a year younger than Sonic.
@@felipe_drawmania1604 yeah Soinc is 15, Blaze is 14, Tails is 8 and Marine is 7
It seems too thought out to not be real at this point and it just lines up way too well
Its kind of sad how under-rated these stories are within the fandom because they're actually better than most of the stories from the 3D games, the early ones and recent ones.
They're not as melodramatic as the early 3D games. While also not being as one dimensional and comedy focused like the post-Unleashed games.
"Hey Tails, you just missed the BBBE."
@@spritvio639 Breaking Bad Based & Epic
The serious and melodramatic stories only works for more story driven characters like shadow, silver and omega. Those kind of stories may get out of place for sonic.
I remember reading on TV Tropes that "The Idiot from Osaka" is when the Osaka accent is supposed to convey that a character is dumb and hot-headed, usually with comedic intent, kinda like how rednecks and southeners in western media are represented as louder and more simple-minded than those living in the big city.
And here I thought it’s because she’s a tanuki. Tanuki and their influence are huge in the Kansai regions of Japan. Good luck going by a corner near Osaka that doesn’t have some kind of tanuki totem or memorabilia.
Yes I know she’s a “raccoon” in the English translation but there’s no real accurate translation for a tanuki other than “raccoon dog”. And Marine the Raccoon Dog is a bit of a mouthful.
The answer to your first question in the video is that Tails fixed it, in the last credits image of Tails’ story in SA1, it shows Tails with the Tornado 1, all of the last credits images with the text “FIN” on them seem to take place after the events of each story, like Knuckles on Angel Island with the Master Emerald, Big with Froggy, Sonic hanging out at Emerald Coast, etc., so I think Tails fixed the Tornado 1 shortly after his story.
makes sense. Would be a bit of a dick move for Tails to not fix Sonic's plane for him.
@@Harrinsainand in unleashed there is the tornado 3 which has the same color palette as the tornado 1 so you can say that rush adventure takes place after unleashed
0:58 In Unleashed he specifically called his plane the Tornado-1, which implies that the writers were aware of what they were doing
But were they tho.
Because the planes actual texture says it's the Tornado 3.
@@rynobehnke8289 But the answer is the third one
@@7blue728 I mean the real answer if
4) Sonic team purposefully assassinated continuity to remove themself as far aways from 06 as they could possibly do.
@@rynobehnke8289 But tails dosent have a plane in 06, does he???
@@tonytiger5111
Yes but 06 means continuity and Adventure formula.
And Tails got 2 new blue Tornado's during the Adventure era which keep up with continuity in there naming.
You are single handedly getting me into Sonic
@EllaTheNobody Shut up
@EllaTheNobody Yes
Get out while you still can. I beg you. Please.
At least don't become a part of the fandom, just like the games if you do 👍
Seriously
If you enter the fandom you'll regret it
@@ILikeMakeBelieveUnironically I am now intrigued by the idea of entering the fandom what have you done
Wow, Marine’s pretty underrated. I kept hearing that she was just an “annoying character” from a lot of different places in the fandom, and what do you know, turns out they were wrong (like that’s never happened before.)
They did a pretty good job characterizing her in this game. Too bad we probably won’t see too much of her after that though :/
So from what I understand, this is what Pariah wants out of a Sonic story at this point:
- A focus on characters and their relationships
- A one-time character who Sonic influences positively and who experiences a substantial arc
- Not too much drama, more fun action and dialogue
- Doesn't shove in a million other Sonic characters
- Eggman being somewhat threatening and not totally comedic
- Presented with a lot of flair and personality
Looking forward to the Unleashed story review :)
Not gonna lie with what he said does Unleashed in almost all ways fill everything he wants out of Sonic. Would be with his taste be surprised if he ends up not liking it like I do.
Spoilers.
Unleashed has such a nice tone to it. It's not overly melodramatic and it's also not "hey, we're characters in a videogame, ain't that just zany"
Orbot is pretty chill. He does not scream like a maniac.
The new game seems a lot like this
Pariah is the only one in this world who can have me re-evaluate Rush Adventure's story and learn to love it in the process.
The explaining is so well done so as to keep me mesmerized for 40 minutes too! That should speak volumes.
The sad consequence of SRA's limited format is that Marine is the only 'modern' Sonic character without a voice actor, or a voice at all. Really sad for the raccoon.
I looked up the kansai accent thing and basically it's normally used for "indicating loving, impatient, loud, boisterous personalities", so that's why they gave it to Marine.
Huh. Funny how Ian shoved all those character references in Frontiers' dialogues, but no Marine or the Sol dimension. To my knowledge.
I much prefer Blaze being from another dimension rather the future which is ironic considering this game came out after 06. When it comes to Eggman Nega however I much prefer him being the descendant of Eggman. Can I just say that I think its funny how unhinged Eggman Nega is? Even Eggman himself sometimes is creeped out by Eggman Nega.
All this talk about stories focusing on an individual character's arc being better makes me realize how under-utilized most characters are outside their source material. In Sonic 2, Tails is this kid who follows in Sonic's shadow for the whole game, helps Sonic get to Eggman's base using Sonic's plane, and becomes the hero in the end by fixing the plane and catching Sonic out of the sky. In Sonic 3, Knuckles is this guardian who gets duped into thinking Sonic is the bad guy, but once he realizes he's been tricked, he saves the day by getting Sonic to where he needs to go, and Sonic repays him by bringing back his sacred jewel.
Outside of those games? They're just player 2 and player 3. Sometimes even worse, in plenty of games they're just background characters! Like good lord almighty, I don't even need to tell you to what extent Tails and Knuckles were background characters in Generations and Forces. At least Generations has an excuse to include a bunch of characters from Sonic's past without really involving them in the story, but Forces? That game would've been just fine if it was JUST a character-focused story about the avatar. And, you know, if the gameplay focused on quality over quantity, but that's beside the point.
That's one way I think SA1 was on the right track. Every character besides Sonic gets a story where they grow or change, except Knuckles. They tried with him but dropped the ball. And while the execution was flawed, the ideas in those stories were great. And SA2 continues that, with a story focused on Shadow. But those games are also when we start to go way too far if you ask me. Heroes on the other hand is too little, I'd say. Metal gets some stuff, but not much else really happens. But Rush uses Cream very well. That's the kind of stuff I'd like to see more of.
As for the post-Unleashed games, that's a whole can of worms that I'll get to eventually. But you can probably guess how I feel about those "stories" and how they treat the characters.
Rush Adventure is actually one of my fave 2D Sonic games and i absolutely love its story. About a year ago, I went back and played it again after buying the game back from a flea market, and it was even better than I remembered back when I played it on the bus to school and work.
Marine is a great character and I'm glad you gave her her fair shake. She gets WAY to much undeserved flak imo. I'll go to bad for her 6 ways til' Sunday.
To answer that bit about her accent, to my knowledge, it's typical of the people in japan that are closer to the south of the island (which, looking at the fact she lives on Southern Island, i guess that was where the name came from. Just realised this in real time). Anyways, to my understanding, the closest analogue would be like a "surfer" accent in English, which i think is fitting of the character.
Another thing I like about Marine is how she acts as a good foil for Blaze. Blaze has a lot more straightforward of a role in this game, and Marine acts as a good way of pushing her buttons. Really makes it visible how her landing on Cream as her kid tagalong last game was her landing on easy mode since she is so polite and formal by comparison.
Also, I largely agree that the game benefits from its setting, as it acts as an excuse not to just shove all the most notable characters into the game just because, which lets it have a more measured level of character interaction betwern our core characters here.
Like for example, in Rush 1 Blaze's fear of heights is more or less just mentioned in brief passing when Cream flies her away from danger.
But here we have a whole elaborate scene where once they get shot up to the clouds (Similar to how Sonic ends up on Sky Sanctuary back in Sonic 3 on Angel Island might i add. Furthering the idea of the island that leads to Sky Babylon being our Angel Island equivalent) you have this whole scene wherw Blaze is all spooked about how high they are but is trying real REAL hard to play it off and get everyone to scoot from the edge and it's just good stuff like that that just elevates the whole experience by comparison!
It's overall a much more rich and robust story despite not even being all that complex, and while i wouldn't say it's my favorite (it is def up there though relatively speaking), I do, think it represents more of what the standard of yout average Sonic story should look like.
Looking back, I probably should have mentioned that scene and Blaze's fear of heights in the video. It's a great scene that lets you see another side of her, and makes her feel less 1 dimensional. Same with her struggling to apologize to Marine. Even with just these 2 games, Blaze is probably the most developed Sonic character under Shadow.
@@Pariah6950 i...wouldn't go that far...at all, but you do you I guess ^^"
oh yeah inject these videos into my veins. in my pariah binge arc right now. i'm such a sonicpilled storycel.
8:20 one thing I like about Rush adventure is that they have way more motion cutscenes compared to rush
Thank you for doing this series because you've done a great job reminding me of the Sonic games I played a bunch when I was a kid and just haven't gone back to for a while. I forgot how touching the character moments are in these Rush games, and now I'm right there with you. Give me another game like this, hell, give me anything with Blaze for one thing, but give me another simple story with these characters again. I agree 100% that this tone is really perfect for Sonic, it's that wonderful blend of Classic and Modern that works so well.
personally i'm a sucker for big grandiose epic stuff so my favorite type of sonic stories are the sa2 type of stories, but i can definitely dig the stories of the rush games and can see why people prefer these. if this was the type of stories sonic games did from here on out i wouldn't complain even if it's not my preference
This is the game that got me back into Sonic. Definitely one of my favorites. Man I miss Marine
Sometimes I see people complain that Marine is too annoying, but it never really bothered me because that was kind of the point. She starts out annoying but learns to become more mature. I like how Blaze has some development building off of the first game too. Blaze can make friends now, but based on how she was too harsh with Marine and regretted it, there's still a lot she can learn.
I would love it if there was a game that took place in the Sol Dimension with Marine basically being like the Tails to Blaze's Sonic. Maybe Blaze can help Marine learn to hone her water powers (?) or whatever that was she used against the Eggmen, and Marine can build ships and submarines and stuff to help out. Idk I think that would be neat.
One thing I really like about Marine on top of everything you've already talked about is that she also helps to push Tails' arc forward. Y'know, Tails whole thing From Sonic 2 through the Adventure games was that he wanted to live up to Sonic, his idol, but wanted to be more than just an imitator, to do something that only he could do. And he did that. He became a hero in his own right like Sonic.
Marine, then, kinda being Tails' apprentice as a mechanic throughout Rush Adventure, kinda lets Tails take on a similar role to what Sonic does in the rest of the series as the one who inspires growth in other people. Sure, Sonic was here too for this, but Tails is getting some of that indirect mentor-figure action now too. And it's neat to see Tails having come so far from Sonic 2 to where, not only is he standing right alongside Sonic as a total equal, he's also starting to rub off on people in the same way Sonic rubbed off on him.
You love to see it.
And from then on there they could kind of just “get” blaze for Sonic’s birthday. xD
Gosh I'm right with you there on wishing for a Rush 3.
I got so dang emotional at the end of Rush Adventure in part because of that whole bittersweet feeling you were talking about.
When I came into this duology I was thinking about how Sonic Colors DS is basically Sonic Rush 3, but afterwards, gosh I was yearning for more of Blaze and Marine. They really became favorites for me after years of enjoying them, but not really knowing the true depth to them. (I've really come to despise how 06 doesn't even do anything all that interesting with Blaze than just have her as Silver's mentor figure, but you already tore into that whole thing in the Rush story video.)
I'm sure I'll still enjoy Colors DS, I mean it certainly remains a nice spiritual successor gameplay wise and I'm sure I'll enjoy the interactions present there, but I can never truly see it as Rush 3.
I'd even love to see some kind of Sol Dimension based spin off game to explore more of the neat stuff there on so many different fronts. I still want to have that reunion with Blaze and Cream and Marine getting to see Sonic's world for the first time, but if they're just gonna be stuck in the Sol Dimension it'd be really cool to see what's going on with them. But that's all just a pipe dream anyway.
Thank you for really shining a light onto these plots that I only first experienced a few months ago. I can definitely see why you consider both of these games as top tier examples for Sonic stories.
Marine walked so that Sticks could slither
Pariah is gonna be pissed when he runs outta 2d sonic games and all he gonna have left to cover is 3d Sonic games lmao
Especially since the next 3D game is Secret Rings.
@@spritvio639 Not secret rings I find that game worse to play than 06 🤣
@@aarondoesyt3194 Controls in Secret Rings just don't work
I only played this one fairly recently. Last year or something. Boy, what a refreshing reminder to how good Sonic stories USED to be. And I really missed Blaze. Played as her the whole time. Sure was cool, when we could do that. Play as anyone…anyone at all…besides Sonic.
I really like Sonic Rush Adventure as one of my favorite games simply by how this game made such impression on me since the first time i played the way it released, with how the game not only embraces the whole theme of a "adventure on the open seas" in every aspect from the music to the hud and menus, but too because it's that kind of game that makes you feel something that was made with love and with a strong vision, the original Rush had lots of style, but this one tried to create a new living world and scenario and that just goes even more with preference, not to count how the cutscenes and dialogues improved in a way that I always enjoy seeing more of these character interacting with eachother, Marine being a favorite because i can undestand the over excited ways of a child since i had to deal with younger siblings and all that, i can undestand how some people might see her as annoying, but for me she will always be just a lovable kid that really wants to make all her dreams into reality with her imagination and desires for always more, even if she is pretty simple minded about lots of that stuff, after all i'm pretty sure she's way younger that Tails, but she still got good moments and i truly believe she gets more scenes with Blaze that makes their relationship feel way more natural that something like the one she had with Silver in 06 where her apperances were quite selective; and can we talk how nice the low poly cutscene are?
I really love those.
By the way, they later revealed that Marine has hydrokinesis, as a paralel to Blaze pyrokinesis so that blast at the end was a water blast.
Yeah, fuck Adventure 3. I need Rush 3 injected right into my veins yesterday.
This was my first Sonic game, so I'm glad to hear someone else explain this game since it gives me a different perspective than the one I had as a 5 year old.
28:27 🤨🤨🤨
Lol, I kid
Finally someone that doesn’t hate Marine lol
Marine is the greatest captain in the world!! 🍊
Coming back to this video made me remember something
This is why I say don’t baby up kids content just because it’s kids content. I understood this story well even as a kid it even was good for my reading comprehension because words like nuisance I didn’t know and looking them up not only expanded my vocabulary but helped me understand that scene better
i'm glad that you made it that far man , your content is one that deserve much more attention , and you never cease to amaze with how much quality you put in your videos
Early on in the game I'd skip all the cutscenes cause I thought Marine was annoying, but then Blaze appeared and I started to focus on the story again, and I started to really like the kid. She's adorable and is one of the many fun things about this game.
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been watching this series more or less every night tgey come out and only just now realized that this series started a long while ago and i must go back for the rest, I've only seen the ds and gba videos! thanks for the consistent good contebt i admire the grind
this channel is a gem man
Tails definetivly rebuilt the Tornado
Like, this plane gets destoyed almost every single game, and always comes back, Sonic 2, Sonic 4 Episode II, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Lost World, Sonic Frontiers
And not only the Tornado-1, but it seems that Tails likes to Crash his planes, the Tornado-2 also crashed in Adventure 1, Shadow the Hedgehog (2005), and also maybe Sonic Heroes, since he and Knuckles leave the Tornado to run after Sonic and the plane just flies away without anyone piloting it, and even in Sonic X (even tho it's not canon... I guess), the Tornado-2 crashes like, 3 times in Sonic X, not to mention Sonic Boom's Tails plane, that also crashes some considerable times
And in a lot of the times the Tornado-1 Crashed, Tails always fix the plane, in Sonic 2 he built the booster that is on the bottom of the plane, in Sonic Adventure's ending, Tails ending screenshot shows him with the Tornado-1, totally fixed (and that's probably when Tails fixed the plane after Adventure 1 events, he probably found it around), and in Sonic Shuffle Tails slept fixing the Tornado-1 (that I think might be canon)
After all, it would be kinda rude to destroy his older brother's plane and totally forget about it and simply not care
right off the gate with the nitpicks this time I see - I really don't see the fact that tails fixing the tornado 1 is a big enough issue to bring up context for and can just be simply left assumed the case is that he fixed it up.
A minor thing, for sure. But why would he rebuild the Tornado 1 instead of continuing to use the 2? Or making a 3? Almost seems like they didn't put any thought into the decision and that's what I'm criticizing. Things like this add up and get us to the mess we're in today.
@@Pariah6950 That is fair and it can build up, just something I never really thought of as a issue with the story and felt more like tails might of just kept all versions of the tornado for different uses and what not. Otherwise besides that definitly a nice video and fun to listen to, especially when I'm used to seeing people be far more harsh towards rush adventure's story.
@@Pariah6950 I mean the Tornado 1 was Sonic's plane while Tornado 2 and 3 (and yes 3 already exist it's the one from SA2 it reads Tornado 3 on its texture) were Tails plain so maybe to finally give Sonic his plane back?
Just to begin (before the rest of the video), and since I just finished an Unleashed playthrough... Tails called the Tornado in Unleashed the Tornado 1 (even though the texture at the back clearly says Prototype 3), so maybe they're one and the same? 1:11 lol
For what it is, I am still really impressed by the cutscenes and the textbox scenes in this game. The characters still animate in a pleasing way and the dialogue is written in such a way I can imagine the characters voices in my head actually saying them.
I agree with your praise of this story. I love it so much!
Absolutely loving these Sonic story episodes, actually think they are turning me into a bit of a Sonic fanboy, oh no! haha
I regret not getting the Advance and Rush games as a kid, I don't know why I didn't because I got every Nintendo console Sonic game
Tails put together a Tornado 1 model which helped in Sonic Unleashed's plot and had features from the Tornado 2.
Perhaps it's simply a standard rebuild of the Tornado 1 he put together and was having a Test Flight with at the start of the game?
Since blaze's world is supposed to be a counterpart of sonic's world. Then I'm glad that blaze doesn't appear in any of the mainline other than this type of sonic game. I feel like her appearances in those games would just automatically ruin her character. Blaze doesn't need to be included, she either needs another rush game or a franchise of her own.
hell yes new pariah video
I wouldn't say this is my favorite Sonic story, but it's upthere, i really like it. Probably one of the few reasons to why i would replay this game from the beginning.
You kinda explained my worry with Frontiers and Primes treatment with the characters. Frontiers seems to have the same kind of structure as Generations story just with more meat where Sonic is just saving his friends and that's the only purpose those Sonic characters have, which is to be Sonic's main objective in the story. Prime seems to be throwing in random characters too, like I don't understand why Big is just hanging around in Green Hill or why Knuckles is just on the tornado with Tails. Seems to early to tell though, but if Prime is supposed to be more story focus I do expect some exposition at least. Rouge being there I can already picture in my head as to why she's there. She wants new shiny rock lol
Although to be fair I guess, Big's character is that he's just in random areas with no explanation. That's kinda how he's treated in Frontiers lol
that's a fair concern. i do hpe in frontiesr the other characters can do something other then just being saved
So people are forgetting that you are forced to do some missions to get some keys to fight the boss in each era. And some of these missions have Sonic(s) Friends helping you with their abilitys!
Always found it a bit insulting that the explicitly Australian island, the story has them going "wow, these people talk so strange and act so annoying" when she's just being a normal kid. They give Marine a lot of shit when she isn't even that bad.
Or at least that's my memory of the game.
Austrailians *are* annoying though
6:41 Whiskers the wonder cat! Oh wait- wrong universe.
I see the Tornado thing as a non-issue personally. You see, at the end of each campaign in SA1, we see those little ending frames, and the way I enterpret them is the characters returning to their daily lives after the adventures.
Sonic returns to his vacation at the beach, Knuckles is back to guarding the Emerald, Amy returns to her big city lifestyle, the Flickies in the E-series go back to living together, Big is relaxed in the Mystic Ruins with Froggy, and Tikal and Chaos return to living in their Master Emerald afterlife with all the dead Chao.
At the end of Tails' campaign, what we see is him at his workshop with a repaired Tornado. My belief is that in games like Sonic Advance or Rush Adventure, this is just them using Sonic's plane, since Tails fixed it.
So I was wondering, you said that when finish covering the series gameplay breakdowns will continue with fan games,, so will you do story breakdowns for the comics aswell or will you stop when you finish the main series
I'll do something for the comics, cartoons, movies, etc. But probably not full story breakdowns. There's too much and I haven't seen it all.
I prefer Sonic stories that are about the characters then being epic too.
Things I think think are likely counterparts in the Sol/Chaos Dimensions.
Sonic/Knux/Shadow-Blaze (Shes kind of a mix of all 3)
South Island-Southern Island
Eggman-Nega/Whisker (except not really for Rivals reasons)
Tails/Cream-Marine
Chaos Emeralds-Sol Emeralds
Master Emerald-Jeweled Scepter
Angel Island/Babylon Garden-Sky Babylon
Jet-Johnny
Also I prefer the bigger bombastic and complicated stories of the Adventure Games and 06, but I like these too and can see why someone would prefer it.
I mean if you want to really dissect the whole Tornado thing it's pretty simple.
In Sonic 2 did Tails strap a Rocked booster to the plain.
It's still there in 3&K
It's more directly integrated into the plain in Adventure 1 and Advance 1
It's not there in Rush Adventure.
Furthermore, another small detail the Original Tornado didn't have Tails logo on it that was added first for SA1 but is also on the Advance 1 Tornado but Sonic in SA1 was still clear that it was his plain still so that makes it even more clear that this Plain is a new one as it lacks the Rockt but has the branding.
So, Rush adventure's plain comes after SA1 and is a rebuild as otherwise would it have a Rocked booster as it was never removed all the way to the plains first destruction in Adventure 1.
This could actually also possibly fill a minor issue in Unleashed were Tails calls the plain Tornado 1, claims that it's his own but the paint job on the plain itself says its number 3 as than its an enhanced copy of the original with the Red Tornado 2 being the one destroyed in Rush Adventure. (I know this part its stretching it a lot, especially knowing that Unleashed in general brock continuity left and right but I still wanted to mention it)
Blaze and Sonic Mention Marine by name in Colors DS so we can be certain it also plays before Colors and because Eggman is still working together with Nega can we be even more precisely say it comes before Rivals 1.
Tails building a new Red Plain is also no issue we know of at least 2 other times he did that too with Unleashed which released the same year and Lost worlds both having Tails build new red plains.
One thing I rather like to point out about Marine is that she is almost entirely an inversion of Cream. This starts with something superficial like how Marine is dressed Tomboyish while Cream more lady like, over quirks like that Marine has a noticeable accent while Cream is always speaking in the most polite and highest manner possible all the way to core character traits like that Marine can be rather selfish while Cream is mostly selfless or how Marine can be rude while Cream always tries to remain polite and nice.
For as much as I like Rush Adventures story there is one big issue, I have with it that you kind of skipped over.
That being that when the grouped decided to leave Marine behind that was during their second attempt to raid the Pirates hideout. For the first one did they not only take her with them, but they were stopped by an impenetrable door a door they could only open in the end because Marine tricked Wisker into revealing how to open it. Meaning they kicked Marine out After the first time she did something useful for the group with no bigger reason to think it's dangerous that it was during their previous attempt.
This really deflate that scene drama as the decision from Sonic, Tails and Blaze seem arbitrary given their previous actions and, in a way, puts Marine in the right in a way she at this point shouldn't as the others clearly had no reason to change their opinion on taken her with them. If anything, as without Marine they would have been stuck at the door would it only make her seem more useful to take along as she is clearly Capable of tricking Wiskers in ways the others wouldn't think off.
I can't really agree with you on what I think a Sonic story should be like (especially as I think 3&K is the only classic game with a story that's actually worth anything with maybe the exception of Tails Adventure and as I actually hate the story of the first Sonic Rush for a long number of reasons)
But I'm still glad to see some positivity towards Rush Adventures story and Marine as a character in general.
Rush Adventure is up there with Riders 1 as one of my Goto examples of how I like my lighthearted and goofier Sonic stories to be like.
At least in the Yakuza games a Kansai dialect is used by more wild and violent characters, and in Judgement (a game from the yakuza series) the main character (born and raised in Tokyo) can befriend a girl from Osaka, she keeps making really morbid jokes and calls the protagonist a wimp for not being able to handle humour from Osaka, and her subtitles are written in a very informal and abrevianted way.
Also i have a friend who speaks japanese that told me that once he was talking to a native he said he played Yakuza and the guy answered: "So that's why you have a little of that damm kansai accent".
By the way i would love to see Pariah talk about the yakuza series
Only played 0, and I loved it. Definitely want to play the rest of the series. And when I do, I'll most likely do videos on them.
I only played kiwami, for free with ps plus because I liked watching Joel play it
Nah I believe Tails rebuilt the Tornado 1 and if not, then a similar plane for sure, we see a similarly red biplane in Unleashed, Generations, Lost World, etc.
29:53 Something about that sentence just got me thinking, and if I am right, then I got the simplest answer of Eggman Nega's nature from Rush to Rivals. What If, there was some universe merging. One that affected Eggman Nega. The Chaos and Sol Emeralds made Nega from the Sol Dimension and merged him with Sonic’s world creating the nature that Eggman Nega is a descendant from Eggman. It would explain that despite the change, none of the characters notice the difference from Sol Nega to Future Nega. That would make SO much sense.
This game starts the same way as the new Scrapnik island comic. Huh
The easy answer is they don't give a shit about continuity. I'm not big enough of a weeb either, so I couldn't tell you a thing about Japan. I tried studying Japanese like once and gave up. Learning other languages is hard, man. I believe that just like Blaze is alternate dimension Sonic, Marine is altetnate dimension Tails. I know other people pointed this out in the comments, but I believe it to be true. I know Blaze and Marine didn't know each other before this game, but still. They do know each other in the end. Also they really spelled OK both like "OK" and "Okay" in this game. I know lots of people do that (Even I have in the past), but y'know. It's such a dumb little thing. But yeah, I think this was a good follow-up to the first Rush. I like them both the same. I know Marine is a controversial character, but I think she's alright. That final interaction probably got a tear outta me too. Oh, and these games led to the creation of my favorite game, so yeah. Boost formula best, as long as the game is actually good. It was a DS game, it has every right to be a visual-novel style game. It would be nice to see it as a console game, but I can put up with it too. It's a good game regardless of what platform it came out on. Adventure 3 is never gonna come out. I just hope they make more good games.
The Tornado situation is very funny to me, specially because Unleashed introduces a new Tornado that looks very similar to the Classic one.... and then it's never seen again as far as I remember, now they're just using one that's basically identical to the Tornado 1 with no explanation. I think they also never explained what happened to the Cyclone before replacing it with the Tornado-Gou in Unleashed, it's very weird
I guess you could say the Cyclone/Tornado 3 was destroyed by Eggman during Circus Parks opening cut-scene in Shadow the Hedgehog.(You know the cut-scene with the funny "damn 4 chaos emerald" phrase in it)
It's a good thing that the game was for the DS. It's leaves room for your own interpretation and imagination. If everything was highly detailed in animated cutscenes the game would be too strictly described.
40:58 well at least there’s the comics (the idw sonic comic which has all the mainline sonic games (and advance/rush games) as it’s cannon did have sonic return to the sol dimension albeit with some amnesia)
Actually there's actually an explanation why they're using tornado 1, in Sonic Shuffle tails rebuilt the tornado
I'm gonna give you a shout out in my new video for making me realize I don't need flashy editing, (not that I have any audience) love your stuff
I mean… Marine did make her return in the Sonic IDW 2022 Annual.
0:18 I think this is a version 2 or 3 of the tornado 1 as it seems to be a 2 seater where as the one in sonic adventure is a one seater
Marine recently came back in the IDW sonic 2022 annual, you should read it, blaze and cream also FINALLY reunite in it.
@@themissingbits6375 I mean the reasons aren't too hard to get.
Neither does Sonic Team want to have to deal with comic book lore for their games nor do they want to make reading the comics required to understand their games.
But having the Comics canon but none of their events ever be relevant to the games will really annoy fans of the comics so they keep separate.
@@themissingbits6375 yes it is, sonic twitter said everything is canon
@@themissingbits6375 boom does take place in another universe but everything else is canon
@@themissingbits6375dude, that's the japanese backstory which sucks, we should be using the sonic bible as canon, and yes robotnik died, he came back as a robot and started calling himself eggman, nothing in the games ever contradicts this information.
@@themissingbits6375 when comics or tv shows adapt game stories, that's not canon, only the original stories are
a proper 3d rush adventure with unleashed gameplay style, gens trick system (which i always felt it was the proper 3d version of rush tricks) and zelda wind waker saeling system turning the episodic nature of the game into a proper non linear adventure saeiling seas game? hell yeah sign me on it! better start learning a way to remaster the ost so a project like that have something already being done, this sound so cool! I always loved the feel animated cutscenes this game has, they are charming and impressive for the ds, and having something like that but in full console quality? that would be crazy fun to watch
I feel like the Rush games work best in 2.5D, in 3D they would just be the generic boost era games Sega's been making for the past decade
@@SonplaysMinEcraft but they already are unleashed/generations type of game, but in 2d. That's my whole point. The level design even do stuff like these 3d games in regards of automatization, learning the layout to get better routes and in the case of unleashed, little moments where your path is blocked off and you have to fight enemies to proceed.
I have to say, Sonic Rush 3 actually sounds really way more appealing compared to Sonic Adventure 3.
At least to me.
Personally, I think Unleashed is the peak of the series in terms of it's story, but I think that game is as perfect as it can be as a standalone game.
We don't need an Unleashed 2, but we most certainly need a Sonic Rush collection + Rush 3.
Maybe, someday...one can dream...
Sadly, I am not sure if SEGA will ever even touch Blaze again after what happened with Sonic 06.
Even though she is a fan favorite...
About the Tornado, i bet Tails just makes a new one that looks the same for nostalgia because that's what this series is based of at this point.
This game came out a decade and a half ago
@@evdestroy5304 Oh well, thanks for reminding me i'm FREAKING OLD
And the franchise still lives of nostalgia, the game that gonna release now still has Green Hill in it for some reason
"What sonic should be"
Yes, not a fan of him using this phrasing. As it makes it sound like the characters should always only be this spcific thing.
I'm going to make a video talking about this at some point. Sonic is a specific thing. To say it can be anything is to say it has no traits that actually matter. If you can get rid of everything that defines Sonic as Sonic, then what even is Sonic anymore? Just a spiky blue rat that can run fast? I say no. Sonic is much more than that. Taking away the things that make Sonic Sonic and doing something entirely different is taking away Sonic itself. Changing things up is fine, but stray too far from what Sonic is and it's no longer Sonic. Just something wearing its name for brand recognition.
To word what I meant in a different way, the Rush games tell stories that are true to what Sonic actually is.
@@Pariah6950 Okay I sort of agree with you there but tbh sonic isnt really just one thing. He has had so many different character changes, iterations, versions, different gameplay styles in his games, a focus on linearity, a focus on non-linearity, a focus on scoring points, a focus on timeattack, a focus on serious stories, a focus on light hearted stories. Than there is sega's obssesion with appealing to different audiences in one game or another which affects sonic's gameplay style and characterisation in some way. Some games target the hard-core audience, some target the general audiences, mario fans. Shadow the hedgehog was kind of targeting the maturing audience sort of. The one thing that is consistent in this series sadly is just that sonic is a blue filthy rat that runs fast. That's why people say classic sonic and modern sonic act like completely different characters.
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The problem with that is will you really define a core set of traits that make Sonic Sonic or will you just state your own preferences and present them as core aspects of the franchise rather than just the parts of some of these games that you personally enjoy most?
Because conflating objective facts with subjective preferences are something I see far more often than I like to.
Also do you also apply these standards to clearly as such intended spin-off games which by their very nature are mend to break away from the series core to explore other directions the franchises elements could be used.
@@elibonham4388 That's a product of the series being so inconsistent and not being true to what it is. Now we have many different forms of Sonic. But they are different Sonics. They are not all one part of a whole. Just a disorganized mess all connected by IP.
When I say Sonic should be this way, I mean that this is the kind of Sonic that is true to what the "real" Sonic is.
I have the theory that marine is the equivalent of tails in the sol dimension just like Sonic and blaze. Tails is relationated with airplanes and marine to jet ski.
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They could’ve just fixed the plane, it’s not that hard to believe.
Besides, does a plane of all things, need explaining? This is just very nit picky if you ask me.
Like yeah, I would like it myself if the explained it but it really doesn’t matter.
Also, I do think it’s the second option as I don’t think they don’t care about continuity. SEGA is just not giving the writers details or the time for the writers to do figure things through.
Both Sonic Rush games are really weird. Not bad, but not good.
They're so incredibly ugly I can't believe they thought these aesthetic choices were a good idea when the advance triology was right there shining gloriously with more characters, more movesets, level aesthetics that are only rivaled by the classics and the most amazing sprite work the series will probably ever have.
Blaze to this day feels incredibly underdeveloped, it's a shame because she had the spotlight with Sonic twice and they never handled her that well. I kinda like her now for the potential I see in her, but as a kid I wished for anyone but her again...
Marine was a waste of time to even conveive if she's not playable, what kind of reaction were the developers expecting with this?
I remember being horribly disappointed when I was a kid by this and Unleashed.
These two games taught me the important lesson to read reviews and not to blindly buy any Sonic game.
Thankfully so because I only returned to modern games for Frontiers and was able to skip all boost era "simulators" that they thought were full-fledged video games to be sold at full price... Those clowns XD
Marine is dead, as confirmed by sega
The answer is that it’s not important. The plane itself is iconic and it’s gonna keep coming back.
Sonic heroes 2, sonic adventure 3, sonic 4, sonic rush 3, sonic and the distopian 1984 (Story book games). So many sequels we want but will never get.....sonic 4 doesn't exist Shut up
Shit, Sonic and the Distopian 1984 (or Animal Farm) would be such a good story book game.
Sonic in a 1984 setting with Eggman as the ruler sounds like something that could actually work.
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If you really like pirates you gotta check out this anime about them. Just look up ‘One Piece anime’
28:28 I'm sorry but "Nega" is way too close to you saying nigga LMAOOO
Nega is literally just an abbreviation for Negative. Not everything is racist. As a matter of fact, if we go by that logic should a ton of languages that are based on latin change their world for black itself as they all are based on Negro (latin for the color black) which is where the theme Nigga comes from.
So what?
@@rynobehnke8289 Bro I was just pointing it out and laughing at the obvious similarities in how they sound, I'm aware of all this....Christ what a beehive I've smacked amongst a certain demographic 😬😬😬
@@lukescrew1981 Nothing at all, Luke! Go shout it running through the streets 👍
Hope you enjoyed the video.
@@SweaterSwagg I will because is just negative
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Lmao, came into the comments to see if someone pointed that out