Yu's Subjugation of the Miao 平定三苗 | Chinese History - The Xia Dynasty E02
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- In this episode of 'The Xia Dynasty', we discuss the subjugation of the Miao people during the reign of Yu.
This might possibly be the earliest records of the genocide and subjugation of an entire people in human history.
While I understand the controversial nature of this topic, I would like to remind viewers to keep comments civil and non-toxic, and PLEASE DO NOT bring modern day 'politics' into the discussion.
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Miao is the only people that still exists mentioned in the Classic of Mountains and Seas,The only one.
Miao is basically a degraded word for the Hmong. Miao-Tzu.
@@djxi93 in 5000 years ago word miao means seedling and "descendants“
They busted a Hitler on the Miao's. I dont like being called a Miao.. I prefer, Hmong Xiong @@xiongmaoa2793
@@xiongmaoa2793 It means "some type of weed grass that never seizes to die". LONG LIVE GRANDAD!
@@djxi93 , I think a word can be or interpreted in any meaning that we like and wanted. Let’s look at both positive and negative and let’s take the positives and evolve ourselves to a better future. Hmong should go and live closer to the city so we can have or depend on good and positive resources
Thanks brother for telling the history of Hmong/Miao people. I have been looking everywhere for real history of Hmong/Miao people for a long time but never found anything that seems accurate. Much, much appreciated for this video you made!
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for taking the time out to comment!! :)
First, where are you getting your information? Is it reliable? How come you couldn't find anything that seems accurate? Or, you couldn't find anything that fit your beliefs and understanding of Miao/Hmong history? I'm asking because there is scholarly research done on Miao/Hmong people. Also, you would need to synthesize all the information from genetics, anthropology, linguistics, history, etc to make sense of the Miao people and their origins.
@Yawg rog Minnesota Why do you think I'm asking those questions? I approach learning Hmong/Miao from a different framework than the layperson. In other words, scholarly materials are my go-to sources. Yet, I appreciate oral history and folk stories since they're the experiences and beliefs of these people and play a role in the culture; however, evidence contradicts some of these perspectives at times. Follow the data, not the story you want or create for yourself.
@Yawg rog Minnesota Since when responding to a question is seeking attention? Instead of becoming offended, try to comprehend.
I don't know much about Miao history as I just started digging into my people's past. It's all very fascinating to reconnect and put together the bits and pieces back to make sense of Miao history. Thank you for putting this short lesson together.
I'm glad you find some value in my little project, and I REALLY appreciate your support of the channel.
It's comments like yours and others like you that keep me going when I sometimes feel 'lazy' to put out new content.🙂🙂🙂
Your work is greatly appreciated!!! Finding my roots brings awareness to something bigger that I realized I'm a part of. I think that for many Hmongs that grew up outside of Asia, resources are limited so doing the extra work takes effort and lots of digging and asking questions.
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy Can you elaborate when and where the Miao was mentioned again in history that thousand year later? And by who? Thank you, so much great info on your channel
@@fieldworkr The Miao people was mentioned in couple text, Mozi, Mengzi aka Mencius or Mongzi. The Miao people lived at the Haui River known as Miao or San Miao. The text does not say who the Miao people are. But with today DNA ages and archeology finding we know that ancient San Maio belong to the Ancient Yi people, genetically and culturally, also known as DongYi ( Eastern Yi) in Mong is ToobYi. Toob is East and Yi is an ethnic group. Eastern Yi would get defeat by the Mong people during Zhou dynasty. Today DongYi became Korean, Dai / Zhuang, Dong, Thai, and etc. In ancient time Mong lived at the Yellow River, places like Shanxi, Beijing, Liaoning as a culture. The battle between San Miao ChiYou and HuangTi is a Han Chinese made up mythical story. The actuality are conflicts between two culturals of the Northern Asain Mong and Southern Asian Man or Nanman people at the Huai River down to the Yangtze River 2500 bc+-. The first historical we can find is when Southern Asian invaded the Yellow Basin known as Shang dynasty. Mong came back during Zhou dynasty and retake the Yellow Basin and reestablished Mong States known as the Alliance. That is what the word Mong / Hmong mean Alliance or United. Then Mong got defeated again during Qin dynasty. The Miao during this period culturally are the Chu state AKA Tatotie. HanGou, later when Liu Bang converted Qin into Han, it became Shu-Han dynasty. During this time the Han people and Chu-Man are one culture and people who took the ancient San Maio culture.
I'm Hmong and I have no ill will against the Chinese people I love learning about our history :)
Both han and hmong are natives of china
The Hmong are native people of China. The culture of the Hmong is central to Chinese culture, and genetically, the Hmong and Han Chinese are similar. Historically, it’s more like wars between different tribes of the same ethnicity. Even their myths and legends are the same.
You are hmong people living abroad and you are foreigners. . The Miao and Han people in China almost have the same origin. In ancient times, the three major tribes in the Yellow River Basin, the Yandi tribe and the huangdi tribe, united to form the Han people, so the Han people called themselves descendants of Yan and Huang. The leader of another tribe was Chi You, who was defeated by the coalition forces of the emperor and Emperor Yan. And this tribe began to migrate southward to form the Miao tribe.
This happened three thousand years ago. The Miao people are one of the most patriotic ethnic minorities. They will always be Chinese.
@@zhugecunfu-pr8sd This is an interesting take, "Hmong will always be Chinese". I think the more accurate take is, because of history Hmong and Chinese will always share the same origins and perhaps values, but they are not the same.
@@zhugecunfu-pr8sd Even just from pure ORAL TRADITION and anecdotal family story telling, our parents, our grandparents, and our great grandparents --- and theirs before them --- have always told us about Hmong's ancestral lands in or around the Yellow and Yantze Rivers.
Stories about the Maekong, in Southeast Asia, for example, where 500,000 Hmong in Northern Laos had lived on, since the 1800s or so & have talked about .... are ACTUAL contemporaneous stories of what took place in the last 50 odd years; those are stories that are, for example, NOT EVEN OLD ENOUGH to have made it into the LEGENDS and deep FOLKLORE in the Hmong culture. For that, you have to go back to great rivers like the Yantze and Yellow rivers, which flow from the great Himalaya northerly into Central China, to flow into the ocean in the eastern coast of modern day China, between Shanghai and Beijing...
In our sacred rites and rituals, when an elder parent or grandparent passes, for example, we would summon a very well versed elderly person to sit down, for hours, to "guide" the spirit of that deceased elder "back" to his or her ancestral land... on a journey that takes days and weeks, that cross and/or criss-cross the Yellow and Yantze Rivers...
And while that is of legend and folklore status in traditional story telling, it also is LIVING HMONG HISTORY: when we "return" into the "spirit world," we are supposed to "return" to our ancestral land... land that existed before it was called "China."
And that land, that our people first worked into our CONSCIOUSNESS AS A TRIBE, as a people.... was, again, the land by the Yellow and Yantze Rivers....
Not only were we among the ORIGINAL ADJACENT NEIGHBORS of the Hans, many of our root words --- and 100% of our LAST NAMES/family names, e.g., Lee, Li, Lao, Thao/Tao, Wang/Vang, Yue, Tang, Khue, Pang, Xiong, Zhang, Tse, Heu/Her, Wong, Chang, etc. ---- were similar to Han/Mandarin words.... Ditto for root words that we first learned, when we first opened our eyes, when we first open our mouths, to see what's around us and to talk to those closest to us... words like mother, father, grandfather, cattle, one, two, three, etc.
I worked for over 10 years, in the Twin Cities, with a Chinese whose family was from Shanghai.
He was born & raised in Shanghai; he went through college and became a teacher there, before he left to the US in his mid teens. We had classrooms next to each other. We spoke on issues, ranging from education, to history, to ethnics and linguistics. When I spoke Hmong slowly, he said he could make out many root words, even though he personally didn't know much about the Hmong in China, other than knowing terms like "Maio Tzu," etc. But, again, in the Twin Cities, in conversations with him... he said, as a classic Chinese trained linguist... that he easily identified many of the common root words of the Hmong and the Han Chinese/Mandarin's....
And, so, while 100% of the Hmong in the US and other Western countries were Hmong who came OUT of Laos, due to the Vietnam War, during which 50% supported the Americans and the other 50% supported the Lao Communists... after which those supporting the Americans were NOT able to stay, due to persecution... the totality of Hmong having "made it to northern Laos," around the Vietnam War, 1965 - 75, were in the 500,000 range.
Hmong in Yunnan, in Guizhou, in Gungxi, in Sichuan, Hunan, Hubei, etc. number between 10M and 13M.
In other words, the HMONG, as a group, categorically, are NOT "Southeast Asians."
In the 45 - 50 years since we escaped out of northern Laos, our number of roughly 250,000 --- who left Laos ---- multiplied back into the 450,000 - 500,000 range in the USA and across a few Western countries like France, Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, etc. But that's less than ONE HALF of ONE PERCENT, compared to the other Hmong still living in modern day Central to Southern China... and most Hmong ended up in southern China the last 2,000 or so years because of our being pushed here, from Central China, when the next door neighbors, the larger and more powerful Hans, from the northerly and easterly parts.... started expanding out to adjacent neighbors, like the Hmong and dozens of other smaller Native tribes.
Anyway..... with just 450K - 500K in the West, the Hmong have produced a two time Olympian, in Sunisa Lee... the FIRST ASIAN WOMAN, of any ethnic group, from the entire world.... to ever have won the All Around Olympic Gold Medal for women's gymnastics (in the Tokyo Olympics 2020/21).
She won the AA Bronze, in this last 2024 Paris Olympic.
And that means Sunisa Lee is the the ONLY SECOND American woman to have won TWO PODIUM SPOTS, in two more more Olympics, for the All Around Medal ceremonies, alongside the greatest of all, Simone Biles.
There are 2-3 other American women, Whites, who've won 1 or 2 more Olympic Gold medals than did Suni Lee; but their gold medals were the INDIVIDUAL APPARATUS Gold Medals, NOT an AA Gold Medal and the AA Bronze Medal... that Lee has won (in 2 consecutive Olympics), other than Simone Biles who, again, won 2 All Around Gold Medals, in addition to all the other 9 gold, silver, and bronze from team and individual apparatuses, in the THREE OLYMPICS she participated in (2016, 2020/21, and 2024), as the greatest of women gymnastics...
Over-all, Suni Lee won an AA Gold, a Team Gold, a Team Silver, and 3 individual apparatus Bronze medals...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunisa_Lee
In the Era of the truly OVER-ALL GREAT Simone Biles, if you medal an AA Gold and an AA Bronze, you're good as gold yourself!
The history of a long lost, I am very appreciating for you to post in TH-cam.
Thank you for the support of the channel!! :)
This was so fascinating. Thank you for your wonderful videos about the Miao. I'm Hmong living in America but we still remember much about what happened in China from the stories and songs of our ancestors. New sub and fan🙏👍😁
Thank you for the support!! Glad you enjoyed the video!! :) :) :)
Thank you so much for sharing a neutral standpoint of the history of China and the Miao. I wrote a paper regarding Hmong funeral traditions and when the souls are called back to their true origin, I read a few resources indicating that they are called back to their homeland in China. Being Hmong myself, I tried looking into Chinese history and their relationship with the Miao and was not able to find anything substantial other than they did not have a good relationship. I think this information will allow the displaced Hmong generation to understand their history. Thank you!
I think we started using the name hmong after leaving china to try and forget and from letting the Qing dynasty from finding. Our elders don't like to speak of our history to us younger generations randonly even of recent past in vietnam. I had to ask my grandma and finally knew we are known as miao also back in asia.
你应该从东夷,商朝入手。 商朝是东夷政权, 秦始皇是最后一个在历史上的东夷皇帝,以后的东夷人开始叫汉人。苗是游牧部落夏建立后逃亡东夷人以中国远古圣王,尧为名的东夷部落,地域口音的变化在演变为苗。苗就是汉,汉就是苗。苗是汉人难民类似流亡印度的藏族人随着时间的变化他们会成为两个族群。
@@user-jn3zs8yz9z Omg, this is so confusing!!! I also heard that during the Three Kingdoms it is actually referring to the three San Miao kingdom, is that true? Please tell me more! Where can I find more information? We are so limited with Asian history here in the US.
@@user-jn3zs8yz9z interesting, would love to read about this. I'll definitely look into this.
@@AsianAmericanGuy yes, those who immigrated into outside of China call themselves Hmong while those who stayed in China accepted and refer to themselves as Miao
This is just legend. Da Yu did not subjugate the Miao. He had a war with the Miao leaders and that's it. If he did subjugate the Miao as history stated, the Miao people would not be here today and would have been fully assimilated into the Han culture. Those Miao people that lived near the Han are mostly the ones that got assimilated.
Hey I’m Hmong and a lot of lost history I would just like to hear about history of the Hmong people … many elders say that we were descendants of chi you… I very interested in where we came from thank you for the great information
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Really appreciate you taking the time out to post this comment!! 🙂🙂🙂
After researching a ton of videos it sounds like Hmong were supporters of chi yu. With that powerful presence of chi yu and military presence there may have been interbreeding or what not with chi yu, more than likely.
@MrYotatoys wow your elders most of been very talkative, My elders didn't like to talk of the past or even teach our own traditions.
Yes my elders also talked about chiyou. In the hmong language, chiyou means grandfather. I believe there are alot of versions of the story and war battles between the yellow emperor and chiyou army. There was one story where there was a traitors in chiyou tribe that caused the downfall of chiyou.
Also there's a great wall against the miao/hmong on the south. There's a video on that southern wall. Its not aa wide and big aa the northern Great wall though.
@@xiongmattit's far from grand dad. Chi you has no meaning in hmong. It's more pronounced like txiv yawj than chi you.
Why Hmong people up in here getting all fussy? This guy is just doing his best to recount oral history since most texts and writing about Chinese history got wiped out by regime takeovers throughout time. Sure, Han Chinese did horrible things to Miao people, but Han Chinese also fought against other Han Chinese throughout history. Miao people likely did the same to other Miao people. Some Han Chinese also helped out other Miao people from other Han Chinese. Just because some centralized power like an imperial government gave the orders to do bad things, does not mean all the people who are ruled by them are bad too. You do realize that modern Hmong people have Han Chinese ancestry as well, so you are hating on one side of your lineages. Today, we have the privilege to be more educated than our ancestors, so please don't make the same mistakes they have made just because it offends you. Realize that ethnic purity is a fantasy only the ignorant aspire to become.
Thank you for the support of the channel and this little project.
Really appreciate you taking out the time to comment here.
"... ethnic purity is a fantasy only the ignorant aspire to become..." - THIS. I couldn't agree more. Applies to everyone. 👍👍👍🙂🙂🙂
The idea of racial purity is quite terrifying.
When you look at lineage and culture, the Hmong and the Han are more like different tribes of the same ethnicity that ended up warring due to population growth. The three tribes are geographically adjacent, and even their myths and legends about human origin are the same.
Great work! I love your passion for history
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the Video.
Thank you for the video
You are hmong people living abroad and you are foreigners. . The Miao and Han people in China almost have the same origin. In ancient times, the three major tribes in the Yellow River Basin, the Yandi tribe and the huangdi tribe, united to form the Han people, so the Han people called themselves descendants of Yan and Huang. The leader of another tribe was Chi You, who was defeated by the coalition forces of the emperor and Emperor Yan. And this tribe began to migrate southward to form the Miao tribe.
This happened three thousand years ago. The Miao people are one of the most patriotic ethnic minorities. They will always be Chinese.
thanks for making this video as I have a big fascination of this era
I'm Miao American. Your channel is very useful.
Thanks for all that you do. I study history in College and would like to know more about my great great great great great great great great Chinese grandpa. Eventhough I am Hmong I know that I have Han blood. As asian we need to understand one another. Appreciate your work! Looking forward to learning more from you.
Hey Lance,
Thank you for your support!! I'm glad you like my work. Although I have to apologize in advance, because this is the extent of my knowledge of Hmong/Miao history... Hope you do find value in my other videos as well!!
Looking forward to see you more in the comments section!! 😉😉😉
@Lance Vang, totally agree with what you said that as Asians we need to understand each other and to achieve peace in our region. As Asians, we are very highly likely a very mixed blood group of people due to intermarriage and migration.
I thank you and respectfully well said , i would encourage others to listen to this truthfully. 😊
Thank you for this.
Thank you for your efforts brother 🙏
Thank you for the support!!
Really appreciate you taking the time out to comment on the video! :) :) :)
There are Han also came from Chiyou or Jiu Li tribe as well. People must know that Han is not a pure ethnicity. They are emerging ethnicity that came into as one.
All hans from north to sputh has same paternal han dna the difference is maternal dna
Many know, and there are even jokes online about it.
@@angeliquewu8318 Han men being grapists and your mother's as victims, right funny
Good contribution to the miao people from the beginning of the miao history remained in China my great grandpa alway told me about miao folks song we immigrated from the yellow river far east to indo china and then by the vietnam war stands still talking about like another Manchu or chinese war within the country with the miao people in the battle field since i now lived in the U.S as the Hmong people today around the world we are the miao people and hmong people we worship the ancestors and shamanism or taoism ☯️ we believed
Thanks for sharing the miao-Hmong history remained in China 🇨🇳 ❤❤❤
It is a good thing, not shying away from showing our or our people's past bad behavior. It reminds everyone that we're all basically the same and it helps in staying away from an "Us vs/ them" vision.
Well, it is what is is. It's documented, it's recorded, it's something that happened.
As people who are interested in history, we should, AT THE VERY LEAST, try not have biases when we present what happened. BUT, knowing how the internet works, and how people on the internet 'reacts', that disclaimer at the front is sadly necessary.
My thought is really that the Han, more or less, during thousands of years of imperialism, subjugated all who resisted them throughout the land. It's a possibility that the Miao played more important roles in the uprisings therefore were more sought after and penalized. Most minorities anywhere on earth throughout history were subjected to discrimination and taken advantages of. Their livelihood were taken away so the only option they had was to revolt. I'm glad China won the cultural revolution and gave the power back to the people; the disadvantaged people had been taken advantage of for far too long.
History isn’t that simple. The Miao people are widely distributed across China and have had wars over territorial resources within their group, as well as conflicts with non-Han ethnic groups.
In many regions, the Miao and Han have a united relationship. During the Yuan dynasty, some Miao areas helped the Mongols and were later targeted by the Ming dynasty. but other Miao areas were unaffected.
It wasn’t targeting the entire Miao ethnic group, but rather on the rebellious regions.
The recent achievements of the Miao people are due to their resistance against Qing dynasty oppression and against the Japanese invasion of China. It’s not directly related to the Cultural Revolution.
Thanks for the video.
I love history. Thank you for the informative video.
Glad you enjoyed it!!
So happy I found your channel... I'm hmong and would love to hear more❤ thank you.
Thank you for the support!! Glad you enjoyed the video! 🙂🙂🙂
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy I'll be playing catch up! Want to go thru all your videos...😁time to binge...
Seemed fire from sky and snow is a good description of big volcanic eruption and ash blocking out sun.
Mandate of Heaven, wasn't that developed under the Zhou Dynasty to legitimize their claim and rule? The Zhou defeated the Shang dynasty and had no claim. They develop the concept that a good king gets its right to rule from heaven, and heaven can give that right to anyone. Like Liu Bang, who founded the Hans dynaaty. He was a commoner.
I think Yu the Great would have not prayed to heaven, but to his ancestral gods, city god, ancestors, and spirits.
Amazing work
Thank you. Appreciate it! 🙂
I am 70 years old and I have always been proud to be Han Chinese, until my daughters did a DNA test and then found out that we are only 60% Han Chinese, 30% Vietnamese and 10% Dai. We are all inter-related some how.
Hey Phil!!
Thank you for the support, I appreciate you taking the time out to comment.
Happy New year to you, May you and your loved ones enjoy great health and prosperity in this year of the Metal OX!!
There are no more PURE Han race anymore.... hasn't been one in at least hundreds of years or even longer. It's one of the main reasons why the Chinese civilization is the only one of the ancient civilizations to survive into modern day. It's the Chinese's ability to adapt and integrate all forms of 'foreign' influences and people that ensure the continuity of the culture. End of the day, it doesn't matter what your DNA says, it's how you conduct yourself and the values you hold that defines you.
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy But aren't Han-Chinese always the dominant group? Their population have always been massive. The rest have always been minorities in comparison.
@@jackjackyphantom8854 Well...... If you're talking about what 'race' people identify with, then sure, the Han is DEFINITELY the majority.
However, if we look at genetics/DNA, there hasn't been a 'pure' Han person for at least hundreds of years. That's why I can't get my mind around the rise of this whole 'Han Supremacy' BS.
Since the Han Dynasty, where the term 'Han Chinese' come from, the indigenous people of the central plains/ middle kingdom have been intermarrying with the Huns, Tunguks, Geoturks, Kitans, Jurchens, and all manners of foreign invaders that ruled over vast stretches of ancient China, assimilating them into the population.
To the south, we intermarried with the Yue, Miao, Yi, Man etc etc...... since even before the Han dynasty.
So, yeah...... We are culturally 'Han', but none of us are genetically 'pure Han'.
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy Han-Chinese are highly uniformed in terms of Y chromosome, while their mtDNA are more heterogeneous, especially the Southern Chinese. Looking at the pattern of Chinese people's genetic structure which suggests a southward expansion and the process were mainly dominated by the males.
You're more on the money than you know...
There were at least 3 major southern migrations of the Chinese population from the north...
Once at the end of the Jin Dynasty, in the event known as 'The Upheaval of the Five Barbarians‘ when the northern tribes invaded and massacred tonnes of people.
Then during the Song Dynasty, the Tunguks Invaded, followed by the Jurchens who conquered everything north of the YangTze River. Almost everything between the Yellow River and the Yang Tze were razed to the ground... those who didn't make it to the south either died in the massacres or died from starvation .
And how can we forget the Mongols that came after the Jurchens...
And on a 'smaller' scale, there was the Manchurians that came in from the Northeast and conducted 2 massive slaughters in Yang Zhou and Jia Ding when they overthrew the Ming Dynasty...
So yeah... the Han migration is from North to south... The people originated from around the north west of the Yellow River region, and slowly migrated southwards over the millenia...
I just found you, your channel and this video. Liked and subscribed. Thank you for this summary. Planning to binge your videos. More on the Miao please.
PS The link to read more on your website isn't working. Maybe your page was move and I'll find out in later videos. Thank you for the work.
Hi, Glad you enjoyed the video.
The website is now defunct, I am working on getting these stories published though, so keep your eyes peeled for that.
Thank you once again for the support. 🙂🙂🙂
Possible for you to find ancient history about the Yao ( Iu Mien/Mien ) ? Not sure if there’s much story to tell but since you seem knowledgeable about Chinese ancient history Im sure you can find out.
The subjegation of the Miao people by the various Chinese empires are nothing short of Genocide. The sole reason for the genocide of the Miao is for social and economic dominance. The Miao just wanted to be left alone to farm their lands. But the Chinese empires keep pushing them farther and farther south. If not for these Genocides over thousands of years, today the Miao people would number at least 50 million people, not the 15 million in existance today. When I hear the Chinese say they suffered a century of humiliation, I say its karma for your crimes. Furthermore, your empire was taken over and ruled by another minority group the Manchus, and you had your cut your precious hair into a pigtail.
History shows that the strong people multiply as the weak people slowly die off, be replaced, or be gone someday. Sadly, this is just the way it is, how it has been and will continue to be. The world is a cruel, cruel place, especially for the weak. Charles Darwin's biological theory of evolution holds true too, even when applying a similar concept to human groups and their greed for control over others. The world, time and again, as always, is a cruel, cruel place. The strong would never want to save and respect the weak and leave them alone, no, no, no...the strong only want themselves to be even stronger and take control more and more. When you compare the strong and the weak, there is no fairness or justice. This is just how it has been, sadly.
In a war between three tribes, two of them allied prepare to wipe out the third. But the alliance fell apart, and the defeated side was forced to migrate. Whose sin should that be? Don’t forget, it was Chi You who started the war first.
If the Miao hadn’t moved south, they would have faced endless invasions by nomadic tribes, the Mongols invasion south, and the Manchu invasion. It would have been impossible for the Miao to return to their ancestral lands in the north too. There are probably no Hmong left in China.
We were rebels and out laws , westside till I die thug life ! California ya !
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Hell yeah! Barbarians till i die! Let's go! We Hmong/miao people on top! 😊😂 Soo woo soo woo! Much love to China though😊😂 Aye yo I'm from the bay too❤❤❤
I am Hmong and I heard so many gossip and fairytales about how bad of the Chinese did to us Hmong n Miao ethnicity people back then. But as I look at us n see us at this current generation, from china to Thailand to Laos and to the USA on how we are. I don’t want to elaborate n say what i see n how I think about us but do you have anything about if the Chinese kept any written history about us of how we live n our interest. Because I keep seeing n hearing that we don’t have any written history because the china won’t allow it or because the Chinese government burn it. Is there some truth to it. the way I see how we live n practice n carry ourselves. I have some doubt about that.
Congratulations, you have pulled the curtains back, you just need to look through it now and see the real china and history.
Why would china destroy or burn their own history? And only do it for Miao and not the other 1000s of even worse stuff that happened in Chinese history? Its not easy to destroy or hide or fake history, especially in the last 70 years china was poorer than Africa and hard enough just fighting to survive and develop and feed themselves let alone do some national level historical amnesia and destroy all historical evidence without affecting or destroying all the other histories along with it. It's like trying to change some details of a famous painting. You won't be able to do it, expert will always see you changed it or covered something up with new paints and the paint lines do not match up or connect smoothly and the colors don't match perfectly.
The reason is that the Miao people didn’t have written system. It has nothing to do with the Chinese government’s prohibition. Many extinct ethnic groups have left behind written languages. Moreover, many ethnic minorities around the Miao have their own scripts.
Chinese histories and Miao histories have a lot in common...we are the same..it's just that Miao speak a different dialiage...this is what happens when too many asains live together..
Interestingly, there are a few words that Hmong people that flee to Laos/thailand and came to the states still share with Chinese.
Miao anchestor was Ancient Han (Sino Tibetan) of Eastern Qinghai Plateu that came down to Yellow River Valley and to Yang Tze River Valley.
I'm not too sure where you got the facts or myth about the total annihilation of their military like genocide in the battle you mentioned towards end of video. The meow people were always fierce and competitive opposition to the Chinese military wise, hence it's declaration of cleansing of the meow people's, even until as recent as 2004 or 2005 and in the early 90s the, excavation of the meow people's graves through out the many refugee camps around the country of Thailand and Laos. The meow won many battles and also lost many, ultimately lost the last due to their own back stabbing and ended up being forced out of China into neighboring countries starting around early 1800s, especially to the northern province of Laos, Vietnam, and Thailand.
The meow people are very independent mind set people and does not like to be conquered, they fight and rebellious because of tax exploitation and mistreatments.
Meow is a derogatory term.. Idk if you're doing it on purpose but it seems you are. It's like calling Chinese sick man of Asia. Or Lao people fishes.
Miao , not meow .
Your narrative is absurd and laughable. Historically, the relationship between the Miao and Han people wasn’t just one of opposition; there was a lot of cooperation and alliance. The Miao are indigenous to China, and Miao culture is a core part of Chinese culture. It’s really speechless to separate the Miao from China.
The reason why the mystical beasts came to aid the Miaos was because the beasts were the reincarnation of their brothers and sisters.
Can you explain why some Hanful and Hmong/Miao have the same last name? Also worship the same god of war Chi You. Liu/Lor Bang the first king of Han Dynasty worship Chi You as god of war. For the Hmong/miao they're the descendants of Chi You clan. Before 1949 Chinese have 10 official languages and out of those 10 languages. Hmong/Miao languages is most relate to mandarin. 45 to 50% of Hmong/Miao languages is make of mandarin.
most han chinese people who worship chi you are probably not really han Chinese people or they are of mixed heritages. many of them tend to have more cultural similarities to miao than han chinese.
Idk maybe because the two tribe that won the war absorbed a lot of the Chiyou tribe who didn’t migrated outside of that land.
@@RoseNZieg That’s incorrect. Chi You, like the Yellow Emperor and the Yan Emperor, is considered one of the ancestors of Chinese civilization.
In Han mythology, Chi You is the god of war and weapons, There are temples and plays dedicated to Chi You all the way from the Yellow River basin in Shaanxi to Hebei.
Because they have the same source.
The original myths of the Han and Miao people are exactly the same.
The video was awesome but it would be better if you had a map showing where everything took place.
Thank you for the support. Glad you enjoyed the video!! 🙂🙂
Your feedback is GREATLY appreciated... I'll try to incorporate more maps and other media into the videos in future for easier reference. I think I was just getting the hang of making videos when this one was made. Still MUCH to improve on even today. 😝😝😝
Thank you for the history lesson
Thank you for taking the time out to comment!!! Glad you enjoyed the video!!🙂🙂🙂
Miao is the long ethic who came from China and make it to the top leader of Laos
They said they have history and genetics going back over 8000 years.
Thank You for sharing Api Ngo, this is very informative for the young millenniums generations Y/Z of Hmong/Miao born here in the United States.
I’ve just found out that the Miao are located in Province of Guizhou, in a city called Kaili in China. But there are other Miaos spread elsewhere in Guizhou as well.
In addition, if you get the chance, you may check out the movie “The Hero Chiyou” aka “Zhanshen Chiyou”. It’s probably one of the first movie from China that presents the Miao in an historical action film, which is a positive thing. Here in USA, the younger generations of Hmong/Miao only hears fairy tales of ChiYou only, no documented film or movie about him.
Nonetheless, love the history!! Keep up the great Work 🙏🏻 and God Bless!
Hey Larry, great to see you on here again!! Once again, thank you so much for the support of the channel and my 'project'.
I believe there are actually MORE people spread throughout mainland China that carry the Miao blood even if they don't know it themselves. We know there was a branch from the first exodus that went Northeast instead of Southwest, but we know nothing about them now.
I will check out your movie recommendation if I get the chance, thanks!
Unfortunately, this would be the last time your people are mentioned in Chinese history for the next couple of thousand years, it would be interesting to find out what happened during these 'lost years', and how they re-establish themselves again. For a people that were so persecuted throughout history, the 'stubborn' resilience and iron will of the people to survive not only physically, but also culturally, is totally deserving of respect and admiration.
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There are archaic Chinese words the Hmongs still use which still hold their original meaning. Here is a few(there is more):
破(broken)
娘(mom)
英(flower(poppy))
Hmong words for the numbers 1 and 2 are similar to the Chinese words too.
Well done Sir. Very informative and well delivered. And if your just getting started it's already a good standard. I came to this as I'm trying to improve my Chinese by listening to CCTVs 中国通史/ChinaHistory 百集历史纪录片. Some of the content is propaganda (especially episode 1 that nearly made me throw up on my screen ), and it makes me a bit mad at times listening to such bias, but much is very informative. In episode 4 I came across the 三苗. After searching what this was really about I came across your site. I will now check out more stuff you have done. As you say in comments. Historians should try to be objective. For people living in mainland China they are fed a diet of fairly extreme nationalism now. It's sad. I am so interested in Chinese language History. Art. Philosophy etc. But having lived the last ten years in mainland China I can say I honestly have never had any interest in modern contemporary mainstream society. With all this vast heritage we are reduced to one position. Sad.
Hey Bunny,
I'm glad you enjoyed the content I make. I watched that documentary series as well, can't remember if I completed all the 100 episodes though... 😆😆😆 But from what I remember, it was pretty good and delivered as much information as possible under the circumstances.
Well, bias-ness is everywhere. Even without the modern day 'political' biases you pointed out, there are still the ideological ones 'hard-coded' into the early sources by Confucian scholars that practically WROTE almost all of Chinese history. That is actually the biggest headache I'm dealing with now. Also, while you might understand my position, apparently many of the viewers of this particular video would accuse me of being politically bias, as evidenced by the many MANY comments you can see here... 😅😅😅
Once again, thank you for the support of this 'little project' I'm working on, and I REALLY appreciate you taking the time out to post comments. It really helps the growth of the channel.
P.S:- This project will end at the 1911 revolution, and won't touch on 'Modern Contemporary China', and like I mentioned many times both in videos and comments, I'm pretty apolitical with regards to this project. I just want to tell these stories and give more people access to the vast heritage and history of a pretty amazing people.
Your taking on a massive task but it's well appreciated and valuable. I like the format of someone just talking although I do like maps. I listen a lot to Laszlo Montgomery's China podcast show which is similar in format. Just one guy chatting, but about stuff they know. Oldest form of communication and still the best if you have ears and can listen. By the way I really like your voice. You'd probably be good doing stand up comedy.
I've looked at your site and there is so much already. So I've started going through the myths and then probably onto the Shang. I'm sure you cover the beer lake in detail and the meat island I think that's what they were.
I will perseverance with the 中国通史 as it has a lot of excellent stuff. It's the narrator who gets carried away. Probably stood there with a cadre holding auto cues. China's high culture is as good as it gets in the whole of human history. Some of the neoliberal Confucist thinkers are outstanding. Where are they now? Keep up the good work. Back to Nuwa now.
Ahh... Laz is a good guy. We spoke a bit a while back. He actually lived here in Singapore for a while back in the days. Would love to meet him for a tea or beer when he comes back to this part of the world one day.
Hahaha... my voice? I think you're one of the VERY few people that actually likes it. My old guitarist back in the day when I was singing in a band told me I sounded like a 'duck on helium'... 😆😆😆 Don't think I'll do too well at stand-up, my attempts at humour are pretty disastrous at best. I MIGHT be able to pull off slapstick though... LOL But hey, I'll take ANY compliments that come my way.
Yeah, the wine ponds and meat forests are covered in the 'Shang Dynasty' series. If you got the time, I would suggest going through the Xia dynasty before that... I produce my videos in the order that I do mainly because sometimes there are references to events or people that happened, and it's much easier to refer viewers to older videos rather than explaining everything without context. But whatever works for you man. Glad to have you along for the ride. 😉😉😉
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy one day Api, one day.
You probably didn't study European history or else you would've known the modern nation state along a shared identity is a modern concept dating from the 1800s. English travelers in France noted in the 1700s that an hour carriage ride outside of Paris and you start having problems communicating with the locals. French and English only began to be standardized in the late 1700s and early 1800s.
There's always two sides to the story. This was the time where the language, book, everything about the Miao people was burned. Even killed innocent Miao boys so that they don't rise up against them. Damage was done to both sides. Whoever learn of the language was put to death. One China, One people. One King. One Ruler. One Language. One army.
A popular misconception was that ALL books were burnt by Shi Huang Di... However, there was still an entire archive in the Royal Palace complex in Xian Yang. It was not until Xiang Yu sacked Xian Yang and burnt the entire city to the ground that the old texts were really destroyed.
Just a little 'trivia' there. 🙂🙂🙂
Story said that what kept the race Hmong alive was the woman. There’s an uglier side to this story after all the Hmong men were killed. This is why Hmong people that fled to the south has a grudge against China. I am the 6th generation that fled from China after the last incursion in China.
Hmong / Mong people are confused. The Miao people this dude is talking about does not pertaining to Mong /Hmong people. Han Chinese themselves are closer related to the Ancient San Miao culturally. Han Chinese themselves during Shu-Han dynasty worship ChiYou. Even today Southern Han people still have ChiYou mask. This particular culture is not part of Mong / Hmong. Mong / Hmong are Shamanism. HuangTi is not Han Chinese but a false claim as Han much later. Han as a culture only exists 220bc +-. HuangTi is actually Mong/ Hmong ancestry than Han Chinese who claimed others histories. There are only four periods we could verify as Han people, HanGou, Shu-Han, Ming and today Han Chinese. The Miao this dude is talking about belong to the Ancient Yi people who reside at the Huai River. Genetically the people who reside at the Huai River belong to Haplogroup O1 and culturally they are still closer related to Hanese culture and Yi, Dai, Zhuang, Cantonese, Thainese, Vietnamese, Koreanese, Japanese, you get the picture all the ese people. There are no evidence to support that ancient Miao are Mong / Hmong who reside at the Yellow River. There also no support evidence that the Mong / Hmong people migrated that early past the Han River but it was the Shu people who migrated to the Han River and merged with the Ancient Yi people. During the HuaXia period and became HanGou at the Han River. They call themselves Han as people who are manly. Han literally can be translated as manly or mighty. Example Han River (Mighty River). Majorities of the Mong / Hmong people only migrated down during Ming dynasty. After Yuan dynasty Mong / Hmong who took part with the Mongol (MengGu in Han Chinese) did migrated out of Nanjing to Guizhou, Yunnan. If you go to China and ask the Dai and Zhuang people they will tell you the Han Chinese actually migrated to the Yangtze River before the Mong / Hmong people. So this dude is simply story telling only. Shouldn't take it as historical fact.
Have you been to China? In China, they call Hmong, Miao chu. Go to China and talk to the local there. The Chinese don't even know what Hmong is.
@@ssthao You know, it is like European American call the Native American here Indians. Forcing names for others does not make it right. It is exactly what the government are doing to the local people there. Calling Hmong/Mong Miao or Chu does not make it so. Are you Mong/Hmong? I am Mong/Hmong.
@@ssthao Miao Chu are the Chu Man people they are not Hmong/Mong. Chu Man spoke Austroasiatic language.
Thanks for the stories! Were some of them passed down verbally among Hmong/Miao people?
Hi I'm a fan of history and became fan of the Chinese history I really love it I'm actually from Egypt but Italian background study etc. My religion has talked about a population that its called ya gog and Mia gog would this name rappresent something or people that hade existed in the past and they were strong warriors.
Hey!!
Thanks for the support, and appreciate you taking the time out to comment!!
Unfortunately I am not familiar with the names Ya Gog and Mia Gog... But they sound pretty interesting. 🙂🙂🙂
גּוֹג וּמָגוֹג / يَأْجُوجُ وَمَأْجُوجُ = (They are йағнобӣ (Sogdia .
I'm an ethnic: 苗青 (Hmống Lệng) = ໝົ້ງ
can you tell me...what happened to the movie.... the hero chiyou? suppose to have came out 6 or 7 years ago.
Sorry, I don't know anything about the movie you mentioned.
There is a movie about the Yellow Emperor in 2016 that also features Chi You
1. Miao is a negative terminology.
2. If you're not Hmong, you would only hear this story in this video and believe it. If you're Hmong you actually hear a different story. There were betrayal and harassments of the Hmong people, they just want to live in peace but the fight for land ensued which forces Hmong people to fight for their land which they ultimately lost due to betrayal. That's how or why you still hear the 'hero' in Hmong legend or talks that will come back and save the Hmong people from their oppressive ruler that's ruling their land. I appreciate the warning at the beginning of the video but the foretelling by you Mr. Api is very bland and doesn't give much context.
3. The Hmong folks kind of won at the end, well it depends if you think it 'won' or not. Cuz China today is ruled by Communism or the CCP. The CCP only existed cuz the Hmong helped the Chinese leader Mao Zedong during his escape in the mountains where he recovered and came back to China and turned it into Communism. Since the event happened, Mao Zedong helped uplift Hmong people for their generosity.
Miao is not a negative terminology. It’s a ethnic group ( race).
@@TheAvoongeasy for you to say just like the white dude call the black dude the N word. Please stop it. You’d not understand the hurt until you’re that race.
In Chinese, ‘苗’ combines ‘田’ (field) and ‘艹’ (sprout), symbolizing a sprout, a new beginning, new life, or descendants. It’s not a derogatory term.
With the pattern of the last 3 major Miao rebellion in the 1800s; and in Laos against the French and Pathet Lao, my ancestors just doesn't seem to get it. There was lack of support every uprising, since it's human nature to avoid conflict when unjust rule does not affect you personally. But 5000 years of losses with every inch of land taken and things repeating in Laos is just pathetic. I'm surprised Han-expansion didn't stretch all of southeast Asia until my ancestors had nowhere else to run. What's the point in desiring independence when the majority of them would not fight for it.
History is a funny thing, Human Nature even more so.
We look at history through the lens of 'hindsight' and are able to say 'it should've been this, it could've been that.' However, the people who were in the actual events will always think that they're on the right path, and there's no way they would fail 'This time'.
Human Nature may seem complex, but at the heart of it, humans are actually pretty 'simple'. Once you see and understand that 'base' Human Nature will always gravitate towards benefits for self first before others, a lot of things will start to make sense.
I do not know enough about Miao or Hmong history to comment deeply on the subject, I'm just a guy with a camera, telling the historical stories that I know of about the Chinese people. And what I've learnt from history is that it has happened, there's nothing we can do about it. But, somehow, some way, someone will repeat the same old screwups that people generations before have made and still think they're the geniuses of a generation...
Just think of it as humans doing human things, and laugh it off, it's better for the heart that way. 🙂🙂🙂
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy Yes, self-priority explains a lot of things. I noticed that numbers do as well. I was in for a shock when I found out that there are more Miao/Hmong still in China than anywhere else combined. The lot of us grew up thinking that we're the only ones who made it out of China and that the ones who stayed are not Hmong anymore. (I'm sure it felt like the end of the world when turmoil was in the immediate surroundings) I am surprised at how the culture is still flourishing today, especially in Guizhou. Reconnecting on TH-cam after 200 years of separation is profoundly shocking. Cultural evolution really did its thing. The nuances such as changes in the pronunciation of the language is very fascinating. I'm barely beginning to trace my roots like many younger Hmongs, because we grew up when the information age was lacking. We're older now and learning about Miao history is quite sad. I don't deny the bravery and attempts in thwarting oppression. I think for one to rebel, there would have been nothing else to lose. Anyhow, I still have a lot to learn and this video, as well as your website, helps a lot for any other lost Hmong soul trying to find their identity. I look in the mirror and jokingly ask if I am chinese some times. Do you see Miao as chinese? For Hmong, there has always been a divide; even though our language has a lot of loaned mandarin words.
Now, the question of what is 'Chinese' is a tricky one. It depends on how you define the term 'Chinese' to begin with.....
If we're talking about 'Chinese' as a amalgamation of various historical races and tribes, then yes, I would consider the Miao/Hmong as part of the Chinese peopleS. The 'Chinese' is not a homogenous identity, it is a combination of various different cultures, traditions, languages, and histories. Am I Chinese? Yes, I consider myself ethnically 'Chinese', but culturally, I am as Singaporean as they come, and I would suffer MAJOR culture shock if you were to drop me into any chinese city today.
However, if we're going to go with the more 'narrow-minded' definition of the term as adopted by the 'renewed' racial supremacists who only consider the 'Han' as 'Chinese', then no, definitely not, I don't think even I would fit into that definition of 'Chinese'. In fact, I consider ANYONE who consider themselves 'pure Han' and feel superior because of it as being a rather 'ignorant' bunch. The scientific FACT is that there are NO MORE 'pure Han race' for centuries. The Chinese civilization is the longest surviving culture/civilization because of the extremely efficient manner the people adapt and assimilate anything that comes into contact with them, and that INCLUDES the inter-marriages and assimilations of the various 'foreign' races, cultures, and languages.
If you've followed my videos, you would realize that even the 'Han' people were not from a single source, it was an amalgamation of the 'Hua Xia', 'Dong Yi', 'Jiu Li', and to a certain extent, the ancient 'Miao' peoples, not to mention the peoples of 'Ba' and 'Shu', and other smaller ancient tribes that are forgotten by history.
Anyways, that's a rant and a half, hope I didn't digress too much. I'm glad my channel has provided some value to your research and studies, and I sincerely thank you for the support. 🙂🙂🙂
@@wott7 you might be very pleasantly surprised to find that you might have Han Chinese blood in you. I am 70 years old and have always been very proud to be Han Chinese until my daughters did a DNA test and found out that we are only 60% Han Chinese, 30 % Vietnamese and 10% Dai tribe. You should find out.
@@philyip4432 www.quora.com/Are-there-any-Hmong-people-here-who-has-taken-a-DNA-test-Would-you-mind-sharing-your-results-here
Actually we've known for a long time that we are your brethren, but do YOU know? Based on the WeGene dna results from the link above from fellow Miao/Hmongs, we are only about 30% or more uniquely Miao/Hmong and about 20% to almost 40% southern Han depending on the lineage. As for northern Han it can range from 3% to almost 15%. Of course a little bit of Yi, Dai, She, Lahu as well. What's surprising to me is the notion that I am technically considered over 90% chinese or east asian, instead of the official label of south-east asian I grew up with my whole life. Hmongs have a different world-view from the rest of Miao because they have been lost in the jungles of south-east asia for about 200 years. That's another story. What I guarantee you is that as more and more Hans begin to take dna tests that are more specific, they will see Hmong show up over and over again.
Would you happen to have historical findings about Miao and Koreans?
Heard through a Korean elder that they have some mixings as well as Native American Indians. Would you know anything about this?
Ahhh.... Another controversial topic... LOL
I might have an episode coming up within these couple of weeks that includes a story about the early Gija Joseon Dynasty. You might wanna keep your eyes peeled for that.
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy
might?
Should I keep my hopes up for a video? Lol 😆
Hahahaha...... Don't think you'll be disappointed...... I'll just have to bring out the giant comment deleting 'axe' again on that video if s**t hits the fan like this one did...... 😆😆😆
Another channel i follow:
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I met a Swedish anthropologist who claimed that the Koreans have the most pure DNA of all the Asians.
There is claim that the Xia-dynasty 17. members and last ruler Jie and his son Shun Wei was the founding father of the Xiongnu or early Hun people!
I'm not really familiar with that one... The more commonly accepted 'origin story' is that at some point all the northern steppe tribes merged into a single entity as the Huns.... But what you just said is an interesting take.
Xia Dynasty were suppose to be the sanxingdui who are the Yi people, which is suppose to be Hmong/Miao rival enemies
hmong/miao enemy is han chinese
I would love to see you do a "Simple warrior dance" one day.
lost due to bad luck. that suck.
The comments and threats coming from the ignorant Hmong folks on here are embarrassing. It’s 2021 and ya are still ignorant. Please grow up.
But Great video. I enjoyed it. 👍🏼
Hey John!!
Thank you for the support!! I'm glad you enjoy the content I put out. 🙂🙂🙂
Appreciate you taking the time out to comment! However, people are people, and everyone has their own POV, I'd rather just focus my efforts on the audience who knows and understand what I'm attempting to do here. 😉
Hope you're having a great 2021 so far, and I look forward to seeing you more in the comments section on the channel!!
I agree with you John. And I'm Hmong.
The ignorant Hmong you see in the comments are most likely Hmong Americans. Trust me when I say most Hmong Americans are ignorant as F when it comes to their own history.
Anyways, have a nice day.
@@nightowl7261 No worries man... It all counts as 'engagement' to the TH-cam algorithm anyways... LOL
Thank you though, for taking the time out to comment here, really appreciate it.
P.S:- You related to X-23 a.k.a Weapon-X? LOL
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy
I wish I was related to Weapon X 😆
My mom told me that the word miao originated in Laos and that it was adopted by the chinese. She told me that miao was a derrogative term used by the laotion people against the hmong people because they didn't like them. My mom said miao is a laotion word and that the chinese never had a word like that before adopting it from the laotion people. However I can't tell you if it's true or not cause she also said we were the "good" hmong people and the hmong people who fought China was the "bad" hmong people. There were two distinct tribes. Northern hmong tribe and the southern hmong tribe. The southern hmong tribe rebelled against China while the northern did not. She also sprinkled in the word "France" in there too but I forgot what she was talking about. It doesn't make sense but just thought I should put what my mom told me out there to debate and talk about. My mom says even till this day when we do rituals or spiritual cleansings we still use chinese words. I'm the west its called shamanism. Its really confusing but hopefully this brings something to talk about at the table. Thanks for the cool video about my people. I found it strange how we didn't have a history like every other nation does. It is super odd we didn't have our own written language until the vietnam war when the cia taught us their alphabets. We must have been one of the few remaining people on earth who didn't have a written language nby the 20th century. And even then it's just borrowed alphabets from United States like ABC. I don't know anything about how hmong people came to be but the fact that something as significant as, a written language wasn't established until the tail end of the late 20th centuries really conerns me. Was our culture really tossed in flames like people say? Genocide? I can't believe it. How awful. And now that the uhgur people are being mass eliminated too and being taken to concentration camps I am more leaning on the side that China really did do those things to us in the past. Even today there are ongoing tensions between Taiwan and China. China believes Taiwan belongs to China even though they clearly state that they are not chinese and do not belong to China. They have their own laws, government and even currency yet China keeps saying Taiwan is their land. Its really creepy. When I say "China" I mean the ccp and the people in power. From what youtuber serpentza and laowhy86 say it's not the citizens who are bad but it is the government and people in power who are corrupted. I have chinese friends in Sacramento, California and I love them to death.
Taiwan and Mainland China problem is different from Miao and Han. 90% of population in Taiwan are Han. The official name of Taiwan is Republic of China. Both will reunite peacefully but US and her Anglo Nazi allies are playing both against each other. O have relatives on both side. Please don't rely on Serpenza and Laowhy who are clearly funded by CIA or personal Nazi hate against Chinese. You do not understand Taiwan and China so please don't get involved. China had done a lot for the Hmong and Miao people, many prominent politicians are Miao and Miao villages are developed. A Miao is the same as Han today, they look the same and are all citizens of China. Whatever happened thousands of years ago cannot be undone. But Taiwan is China's proper interest.
You probably just used Chinese characters like everyone else did in China, since the First Emperor Qin Shi Huang unified the writing too when he unified China under the Qin Dynasty in 221 BC, different Kingdom States had their own writing systems before then.
Minorities like the 'Zhuang' did develop their own writing using parts from the Chinese characters about 1000+ years ago, but it was never widely adopted.
China is the cradle of civilization and one of the earliest languages and most advanced civilizations. You lived in China from the earliest times, so why wouldn't you use Chinese writing when all of Asia like Korea, Japan, Vietnam etc all did and they aren't even Chinese? China is just one big melting pot of assimilation and development. You would not be able to survive in mainland China as a "barbarian", just like you would not be able to survive in China today without being able to speak, read or write Chinese, let alone also proclaim you are not Chinese but you are some independent nation right in the middle of central China. China always unifies by the time of each dynasty. By the time of Zhou dynasty Chinese writing as salary very developed and also China was very advanced and strong militarily. It would be in the records if miao was still an independent kingdom by that time(1000bc-250bc etc). Before that time was like oracle bone script and other older scripts during Shang dynasty, no one had real advanced developed and widespread writing system yet where like they had imperial exams and classic literature and all that stuff.
Could you do a video on the Miao King Chiyou?
I have a question, on some Vietnamese hmong channels they call other ethnicity also miao except add a different ending to it. Would this say that "miao" would really mean "race". Like, this is the "miao tzu" "hmong race". There is "miao tai" and others.
I would like to know where you get your sources because I believe the Ming drastically changed many ancient sources when republishing old works. Thank you brother
I can't remember exactly for this particular video... It's been so long.
But judging from the time period of this story, I'm guessing I sourced most of it from 'Grand Historian' and 'Bamboo Annals'.
Which group are the Miao in the game Dynasty Warriors? Lol just curious.
Chu State led my Lui Bei
During Xia, there is no written record (found yet). How can you come up with the story?
You are Right. There are no FIRST HAND records of the Xia Dynasty.
However, the stories and events were passed down through the Shang, recorded by later historians in the Zhou, re-recorded during the Spring/Autumn - Warring States by other scholars, ie: Confucius, then compiled in 'Records of the Grand Historian' by Sima Qian in the Han.
I do wish I have a good enough imagination to 'come up' with these stories though... 😉
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy I do not intensionally insult you by saying "come up". I am a history lover. Thus I need some one like you. But I also need an accurate history which could be referenced by ancient text, or ancient evidence which could lead to such inference. So you got the story from Sima Qian. I think that is the best we have got, and will have to trust it as the truth. No way else. But I really really doubt you didn't "come up with" for those "Ancient Propaganda, Ancient War-Speech". Did Sima Qian really write down those speech?
@@uuyoubaan4uuyou829 Sorry, I misinterpreted your intentions... I do apologize for the unwarranted snark on my part.
The speeches were actually from those old texts, All I did was to translate them from old Chinese into modern English as best I could. To be honest, I rather doubt they were original, most probably added in by later historians during the spring/autumn period, especially those from the Confucian schools.
I try to present the events and 'speeches' in as 'original' a way as I can, based on what my research and the old texts say. Of cos I would throw in some of my own thoughts here and there. ie: They didn't call those speeches propaganda, I did, they didn't call the event a genocide, I did...
Anyways, I'm glad you found some value in my work, and I really appreciate you taking the time out to comment. Once again, I apologize for the tone I took in the previous reply.
P.S:- The 'Records of the Grand Historian' might not be as 'accurate' as we all think, it's just the most accepted, and forms most of the basis of what I present on this channel. Try to find a copy of 'The Bamboo Annals' for what I THINK are more logical versions of the events in pre -Zhou Dynasty China. You might find the contradicting versions of events... interesting. ;) ;) ;)
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy Good work.Thank you for the story. Perhaps adding some reference could avoid future aukward.
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy very well said , and an excellent rebuttal with scholarly backing . Also there was certainly oral history and probably written history that no longer exists but transfered into later written history as you had mentioned. I love your research and great story telling. My hat off to you.
Is this before king Chiyu of Miao people or after his time did this subjugation start beginning of them being a people of no lands and no country.
Meio is not what they're call . Which the origin name is swordwind people
Tôi ở Việt Nam tôi không biết tiếng Anh.Bạn có thể dịch ra tiếng Việt không.
I did a DNA test, Chiyou, Huangdi & Yandi are three of my ancestors we are now part of them.
Genetically speaking, Han-Chinese are dominantly of haplogroup o3 lineage. I believe Hmong-Miao peoples are distinctive. And culturally speaking, Hmong-Miao are actually closer to Southeast Asians than to Han-Chinese.
@@H3ll0-W0rld1 Are u Hmong?
@@H3ll0-W0rld1 Hmong are more culturally similar to Southeast Asians.
@@H3ll0-W0rld1 I think Hmong are Southern people.
@@H3ll0-W0rld1 Southeast Asians have ancestor worship too, just look at the Taiwanese Aboriginals.
老师, 您的本书怎么买 ?
'老师‘ 两字不敢当!!非常感谢您的支持。
不好意思,书还没出版。我知道已经拖了一年了,由于种种理由,还在难产当中。😭😭😭
不过,如果一切顺利的话,应该在今年(2022)之内会出版。到时一定会在频道里告诉大家!!
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy 原来是这样。 没问题。加油老师。。。
苗族都是中国人,汉人苗人是最亲的兄弟姐妹。
汉纳粹
Hmong and miao is not the same thing. If it makes you guys any happier, hmong are probably a branch from the miao people. I think we all are descendants of chi you but split into many tribes and now chinese just call all us miao. Hmong must be one of those tribe from the direct descendants of chi you. There are many different types of miao people.
They are the same. They're just called differently. You're obviously not hmong/miao. If you are hmong you should have heard stories from your grandparents that chinese called hmong people "miao". The Vietnamese pick up and made fun of the race because "miao" means "cat" in Vietnamese. My great grandfather is 103 years and still alive. You can't sit here and tell me his stories are lies.
And you are right about many types of miao. Because there are many type of hmong too.
You just said the same thing basically. Hmong was a subgroup of miao which was the name china made for various tribal groups in a shared region that also shared some cultural similarities but also had specific differences. He is just saying that the word miao and what it means is not the exact same thing as the word Hmong. All Hmong are miao but not all miao are Hmong. Hmong is the subgroup and miao is the umbrella term for a few diff groups of which the Hmong ppl is just one of those group.
Like they all said, All Hmong are Miao but not all Miao are Hmong.
There’s still a huge population of Miao people in China that speaks and understands us today except for the Laos/thai words that we borrowed.
There’s still huge population in China that we only understand some words and there’s some that we don’t understand at all. It’s all anthropology… when groups split, their language also changes and adapt to their environment.
Tell us the princess story. Same miao people. Her father arrange a marriage that she refused. She was like Mulan
Hmong people RN: "I'm Hmong too"
Nobody Gives AF
What does Api Ngo mean ?
Er... It's my name.
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy Correct me if i'm wrong, you're Chinese Vietnamese?
@@ianchen8582 Nope. I'm Singaporean Chinese.
@@ThatChineseHistoryGuy ahh ok👍, thx for responding and the video
Why are Miao-Yao, Hmong-Mien lump together?
Most likely due to geographical habitats, they share some common culture. It's human nature, you see your neighbors do some nice things, you might want to duplicate it.
I'm proud to be hmong....even we don't have a country........
From what I understand we do, but the chinese claimed it as their own like how they are claiming taiwan is theirs right now. In case you didn't know Taiwanese fled from China and started their own government because they didn't like how China was treating them. There are huge tensions between China and Taiwan. Even Hong Kong is not really chinese. At least not true chinese. They have their own currency and their own laws. Every time you go from China to Hong Kong you have to go through documents first. That's why the big actions stars we know today like jet li, Jackie Chan and Donnie yen exist. If they were not making movies in hong Kong then the ccp of China would have already banned half of their movies already.
Besides don't you see hmong-chinese coming to hmong new year of America more and more? Remember that girl that came from China to compete in the miss hmong California a couple of years ago? She got second place
Maybe one day...I will love to go see on my owe eye......
@@itsmesteve1081Robbed, why not give her 1st place since she came a long journey😅
Hua Yuanjia was probably Miao
I've got no problem with Chinese but I dislike hypocrisy. As the current China is upset at Japan for ww2. It's like (dude China yall did the same to get that much land too, you can't be mad its almost like what goes around comes around) agian I got nothing to be upset about but it's like that you can't be mad someone get ya. Just saying
1000s of years ago is different to WW2 and denying you did it also and teaching lies. It's not just china but everyone. The people Japan did it to are still alive or their kids are alive and to hear Japan deny they did any crime or they say your mother was willing prostitute instead of being raped forcibly is something you would "get over it" if it was your mother or sister who got raped and killed and Japan then playing the victim and said she was a prostitute who fucked all the jap soldiers willingly for money?
Miao people are the truth between the heavens and earth . The Hmong people .
smart enough to know people don't speak chinese but not smart enough to know that those same people don't have a clue about the topography of china. maybe put up a map next time.
Just intro thumbs up
Why China don't like Miao are they austronesian
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There is so much i would like to exchange with you.
Saya orang Melayu Kelantan ,kami pun orang Hmong/miao.
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the problem is culture
This is China view and guess of the Hmong peoples.which is not facts.
拿神话故事当历史?
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Is Miao same as Baio?
Chinese called Hmong people (Miao).
The Miao in China called themselves Miao
Kiab Vaj They were called miao, never called themselves miao.
@@JustDot404 I guess you never heard of the group who called themselves the Miao Kingdom. The girl who sing a song titled Welcome to The Miao Country. TV programs, shows, cultural shows, languages, and traditions calling them Miao.
Kiab Vaj The word miao origin is an offensive word. While being washed by the Man chinese, they were led into keeping the name Miao. A lot of Miao culture is lost and the people were washed into han civilians.
@@JustDot404 You don't know that. It was so long ago and its meaning was lost through time. But my point still stands, the Miao people in China can themselves Miao and they proudly accept the name Miao. They advertise their business, cultural events, and personal information on the name Miao.
HMONG IS NOT WHAT WE CALL. MIAO MEANS CAT, JUST ANOTHER NEGATIVITIES IN 2021
In Hmong it’s mean Monster.
I pity young Miao Americans who have no understanding of the Chinese language. Miao and Mao are two separate characters. Miao means beginning, the origin, budding shoot. Mao means cat. Miao people in China have no problems with this. Maybe those in Vietnam or Laos because they don't differentiate. Miaos are doing very well in China today and many are top figures in the military and politicians. Miao does not mean cat in Chinese. Mao means cat. Maybe get some Chinese lessons and you guys will be less confused.
Mao貓 is cat. Miao苗 is Miao and means different. You’re really just making stuff up
Poor Miao people in America, Miao is a real Miao people
Hmong Lao and Thai consider it's a disgrace because Lao and Thai made fun of us. Cat sound meow.
A Chinese lady told me that the word Miao is a beautiful word for us because we keep blooming all over. When she told me I felt like our Hmong people were strong and powerful. No matter the Hans tried to destroy us according to ancient history, we will never die.