Hey! If you liked this, why not go to the next level, and become AN ANCIENT RED DRAGON! It's a little more complex, but the full tutorial is right here: th-cam.com/video/z06H9fMcEwU/w-d-xo.html
I low key would just give the rest of the team a greed curse and force then to fight the dragon and make them be reborn to the legend of the great betraying dragon. Which is I make a legendary quest only a choosen few(they) can do/set right.
The ship Vision problem. Extra: Dm: So your lawful good now. Me: Do I, do I have to be. I saying when these guys polymorph as us they could be whatever they want. A neutral golden double triple agent spy seem the most fun.
@@davidphilpp604 make sure of having trust qith that DM, if I ever pull something like this qith my usal DM he will first tell me to F off and laugh, but no problem given that I WILL HAVE to be ready to some heavy shit hitting my Pc but all in fun. Now a new or not usal DM I don't knos how will react
@@artemiswallace8716 oh of course! It’s incredible catharsis to see your character go from being barely stronger than your average commoner to being able to warp the fabric of reality at will, it’s just that combat becomes a living nightmare.
Ahh but you all realize this could be used to trick your DM let's say campaign gets stale... You decide as a group to all kill off your characters to start a new campaign... Then you pull one of these in silence... And boom you are technically the same character!
I think it's perfect for a BBEG plan yeah! I was thinking of having it like a ticking clock, the party has to kill the BBEG before the 120 day gestation time on the clone was up otherwise they'd go full gold dragon and be unstoppable, and there's only 1 day left! And then of course when they succeed the BBEG soul passes into an incomplete Gold Dragon clone and he's birthed as a horrifying, incomplete monstrosity with wild bursts of magic exploding from his necrotic, half-living, unnatural form. And that's your REAL final boss. Anyway, that was just my idea, if it's helpful for your campaign!
@@DnDShorts sorry but I'm new to dm'ing. How would you do the wild bursts of magic part? Would you roll a d100 or something like that every other turn to see if a spell gets cast?
@@teigancarter93 i would either use the wild magic table in the phb under wild magic sorcerer, or find a good one online. Either way, I would treat it as wild magic
I actually managed to do this as a level 9 monk. Our party found a genie and it agreed to grant a Wish. I wish to be a gold dragon as my character wanted to become a dragon. Our DM said I could only be a young dragon as my character would still be as old as he was. I said okay. Little bit later I went ahead in search of some Ghosts. I purposefully failed the Horrifying Visage checks and got aged to 100 years and killed the ghosts. Next morning I was an adult.
Then learn true polymorph as a gold dragon. Step one again, when you feel yourself growing elderly (dragons seem like, but are not immortal) true polymorph yourself into literally anything. Wait an hour, glyph of warding and clone for a younger version what ever you are, wait 120 days. Repeat. Experience every walk of life as every living and unliving thing in the multiverse. Edit: the 120 days is time in my library (that I build in my lair) getting my wizard levels back. Also obviously we intersperse things we don’t want all of the beast clones right next to each other that could really mess things up.
Brrooo, stop that this instant, a frickin kaiju, how would you even homebrew that? What's the base stat block you're going to use? I'm a beginner DM running my first campaign and I'm just grabbing all the information I can lol
@@duckytheduckster0 I was simply posting what _I_ thought was funny. You’re free to be an insufferable d-bag wherever you’re welcomed; be that at parties or in the TH-cam comment section.
@@phestojen7966 In theory he would retain his own spellcasting since Dragons are notorious spell users. So yeah they would be able to polymorph into their original humanoid form.
@@phestojen7966 yes he did. Well he stopped the mage. My ranger was free to slip away and start disabling traps on the treasure room. That and our DM was a fan of Lovecraft. So if we got uppity, he gave us Chuthulhu in mythic armor with life bonding to an innocent child.
@@Still-Focus- Ok, so you can clone yourself into a younger version (Wyrmling) which is medium size, and wait till you become an Adult Gold Dragon. I don't know how long will that wait be, though
If previously to this, you true polymorph a symulacrum of yourself into a ghost, you can have it use Horrifying Visage on your gold dragon form once per roud. Then just choose to fail the saving throws and get aged 800+ years to become an Ancient Gold Dragon in less than a day.
I like to think of myself as a fun and fair DM. If a player wants to become a dragon, I can get behind that (come on, who doesn't!), but they have to earn it, and not just by level up. I'm not sure the exact trials they'd face but they would need to win the favor of either Behaumet, or Tiamat if going chromatic, before they attempt this. Otherwise those gods are going to come after them for trying to cheat the cosmic order.
Eh... by the time they're 17th level if they want to waste it getting weaker that's their prerogative. Clone only does medium size so that means wrymling. At best its a magic rebirth as a vastly weaker creature that will be useful to the 17th level players in 100 years.
@@Pistonrager Personally I think that's still pretty good. Consider that for long term campaign settings your old character could become a permanent npc for future use.
@@Pistonrager wouldn't you be able to just use the shapeshift from the gold dragon and just shapeshift back after you transferred your mind to the clone, because it's still the golden dragon.
@@Pistonrager if I were dming this, I’d say they could build a larger vessel for the clone to grow in, but multiply the gold cost for each size category above medium. (Times 2 for large, times 3 for huge and so on…)
@Jack It's not generally considered good to try and derail your DM's game. The overall point is to have fun, if something you do as a player would possibly stop the fun for others, then you are just being a douche. If the DM allows it, he is going to have to adjust to make the game challenging enough for you or suffer watching you steam roll his campaign, which would quickly not be fun for anyone but you. Its not only up to the DM to keep the campaign fun but players as well, you can just as easily screw everything with a careless action. While it is impressive to pull off something this complex to pull off, DM's are given power to change the rules for a reason. I have seen many groups fall apart because of thing like this, I certainly would try to discourage this or possibly add some checks that you would have to pass for it to work. Also I think True Poly only works for up to medium creatures but I could be wrong.
I realize this is just the comment section of youtube and my thoughts mean nothing, but i have quit playing with players and dms that make it a competition between dm and player. One person in particular basically attempts to lord his "vast knowledge and experience" over everyone. I ran a lvl 20 one shot for a group of friends and he came to the table and did an obnoxious over done evil laugh....he said his character was immune to fear fighting a pit fiend and had some ridiculous combo that was basically the equivalent of a "watch me play magic" deck. I looked at the other players and they were just as fed up as i was so i made up a special wrinkle that gave the pit fiend the blessing of asmodeus so he had a on off switch for an unblockable, targeted frightful presence. Being a devil and all, the pit fiend recognized a soul he would have a ton of fun torturing, he just spammed frightful presence on the douche player. Everyone laughed and had a great time watching him spend his entire turn running away the rest of the night. I didn't tell him it was unsavable, he was just rolling like crap so it was hilarious. It was great fun, except for douchebag. Which is exactly what he deserved. We no longer play with him. We still hang out and talk about dnd, and if his attitude ever changes he'll be welcome back, but he's just a douchy dnd player so i doubt it ever will.
@Herbert Adams the body grown wouldnt though.The Clone spells only makes Medium Creatures so it would have to be a dragon wyrmling and also you'd loose all your spells though.
@@miraculine8673 but you dont lose knowledge of it or your slots or levels. so you can just re-prepare. also you have thousands of years to study again.
@@miraculine8673 you are relying on crunch too much. you are thinking the player throws out his old character sheet and takes the stats of the dragon. this isnt a char polymorphed as a dragon. he is a dragon and has a dragon's...everything. along with the knowledge and skills he accumulated as a mortal. thats why you just add the resistance and the atrributes of the dragon plus any othe physical abilities like dark vision etc to the original char sheet. if the laws of physics in universe worked that way the world would not make sense in a way conducive to a good time.
Since an errata to the way Polymorph works you don't get the legendary actions when you take the Gold Dragon's form sadly. I based this combo on the Roll20 page for the spells, but apparently the DnD app has updated versions. But hey, you don't need Legendary Actions to be a freaking powerhouse as a gold dragon! Bonus points for waiting 1000 years to become ancient for dat tasty CR boost!
Nothing about the way Clone works suggests it can work with a polymorphed form. If it could duplicate your stats exactly, you could use Shapechange instead for the combo and possibly keep your spellcasting capabilities. Additionally, using True Polymorph on yourself prevents you from being able to undo the form at will, since you lose access to your spellcasting. You can somewhat get around this with Glyph of Warding Dispel Magic, assuming that no one triggers the glyph on themselves first (This could be avoided with a proper trigger). But if your gambit worked then you wouldn't be polymorphed anymore, and the form couldn't be dispelled. So in other words, you're close, oh so very close. But I think the Dragon Wizard Gambit is still not quite cracked yet.
@@supersmily5811 that's why he used the clone spell as a glyph of warding, after death you would no longer be under the effects of true polymopher. Also just because something isn't specifcally mentioned doesn't mean it isn't possible just that it hasn't been thought of, it depends on your dm and it's a clever idea to get around it
I've found a HUGE (not Medium) problem with this method. The 'Clone' spell specifies that "This spell grows a inert duplicate of a living, Medium creature as a safeguard against death. This clone forms inside a sealed vessel and grows to full size and maturity after 120 days; you can also choose to have the clone be a younger version of the same creature." You try to circumvent this by casting the 'Clone' while you're a Medium creture and storing it with a 'Glyth of Warding' to activate once you have transformed into an Adult Gold Dragon, growing a duplicate of you in that form. What you failed to consider is that the 'Clone' spell also specifies that the material components that you need to cast this spell includes, among other things "at least 1 cubic inch of flesh of the creature that is to be cloned, which the spell consumes..." This would mean that you would need 1 cubic inch of flesh of the creature that is to be cloned (that would be your character) when you're casting the 'Clone' spell as part of creating the 'Glyth of Warding'. At this point it is already decided what creature is to be grown. If you used flesh of your character as an Adult Gold Dragon when casting the clone spell, it wouldn't work since it needs to be of a Medium creature to grow a duplicate. If you used your characters original flesh when casting the 'Clone' spell, it would grow a duplicate of THAT creature when the spell triggers and would not care that you have transformed into a Adult Gold Dragon since then. I suppose what you could do is transforming yourself into a Gold Dragon Wyrmling (that is a Medium creature) take 1 cubic inch of flesh of yourself in this form and use it as material for the 'Clone' spell and grow a duplicate of a Gold Dragon Wyrmling, let it grow for 120 day, kill yourself and have your soul transfer into the dublicate of you as Gold Dragon Wyrmling. It would take an addtional 100 years to become a Adult Gold Dragon, but maybe that could work. I'm not entirely sure.
Something to note, adult gold dragons can polymorph themselves into any size creature it wants and keep its ability to change back at any time. This means you can change shape into a human, clone that, which will still have the ability to transform back into a gold dragon upon use, and problem solved.
This is EXACTLY what one of my players did. She was a non-combatant (mostly) who specialized in Blacksmith, Alchemy, Enchanter, and Craftsman. Using those skills, she augmented her dragon with retractable jets and added metal, polymorphic prosthetic arms that can transform into giant, melee weapons, "towering" shields, and/or siege cannons. I had her fight 3 Tarrasques at the same time, but she still one-sided that awesome battle. To this day, I keep an eye out on my non-combatant players.
This is the comment I posted: well this is actually kinda wrong, clone only works on a medium sized creature. In order to combat this you would need to shapechange into a medium sized creature. (Could be anything really) and then when your clone has grown you shapechange back.
@@subiugetur so, say you shape change into a wyrmling trigger glyph and clone pops out. You wait 120 days and clone is grown. You die. Now you're a wyrmling. So unless you're playing the long game you won't be an adult gold dragon for a long time.
@@subiugetur with shape change I’m going too assume you mean shape change as the gold dragon into, idk a cat. Now if you were to activate the glyph you would turn into a cat by the logic of the video. And technically this won’t even be a problem as only the container needs too be medium sized. Not the creature “Clone 8th level necromancy Casting Time: 1 hour Range: Touch Components: V S M (A diamond worth at least 1,000 gp and at least 1 cubic inch of flesh of the creature that is to be cloned, which the spell consumes, and **a vessel worth at least 2,000 gp that has a sealable lid and is large enough to hold a Medium creature**, such as a huge urn, coffin, mud-filled cyst in the ground, or crystal container filled with salt water) Duration: Instantaneous Classes: Wizard This spell grows an inert duplicate of a living creature as a safeguard against death. This clone forms inside a sealed vessel and grows to full size and maturity after 120 days; you can also choose to have the clone be a younger version of the same creature. It remains inert and endures indefinitely, as long as its vessel remains undisturbed. At any time after the clone matures, if the original creature dies, its soul transfers to the clone, provided that the soul is free and willing to return. The clone is physically identical to the original and has the same personality, memories, and abilities, but none of the original’s equipment. The original creature’s physical remains, if they still exist, become inert and can’t thereafter be restored to life, since the creature’s soul is elsewhere.”
The component lists a container that is 'large enough to hold a medium creature'. A container that can hold a giant is still also large enough to hold a medium creature', so that shouldn't be an issue. However I wouldnt count the polymorphed flesh as valid flesh for the spell regardless.
Actually, this might be a great solution for my dragonborn. He was once an Ancient Bronze Dragon given a second chance at life as a dragonborn. So adding a Wish spell to keep his sorcerer form as his human form, he can actually regain his draconic form.
@@sleyedeathripper they could, normally that might take a few hundred years. They could do in in the feywilds if they rolled good. To be honest, this is such a creative idea that I don’t know if a dm would not just say fuck it that’s cool! In terms of power, if you play well, a single 15th level player character can reasonably fight a adult red dragon and win 50/50. 20th level character would be stronger than a dragon.
@@Roxasandaxel13 I believe it’s another polymorph, and it has a duration. And in terms of an alter self spell, that can’t change size categories. There are actually two ways of reducing size with spells, but they won’t revert to normal once you have a new body. You could technically become a minuscule adult dragon by using imprisonment spell, but you would stay that way permanently. You could poly into a young dragon and cast reduce to meet the medium creature requirement, but again, you would be medium permanently. The whole reason that the combo works is that it doesn’t dispel the creature.
In the current playthrough we are doing now my character just found out his father fell in love with a dragon years before he met the man who would become his other Father. He now understands why he was always more of a gold colored elf than all the other Sun elves.
This seems like an amazing way to have a final form for your BBEG as a DM. Just imagine your a player and you finally kill the BBEG, just for the floor to burst out from underneath you as the BBEG now is reincarnated as a gold dragon
@@brandonvandijk5736 Copying a spell is the one thing you can do that doesn’t run the risk of being unable to cast Wish again. “The stress of casting this spell to produce any effect other than duplicating another spell weakens you.” “Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast wish ever again if you suffer this stress.”
These videos aren't just helpful for players, which I like. Personally, I loved telling my players that they entered a room and took thousands of hit points of un-sheildable damadge. Lol, jk, but things like an ordinary mortal rising to become a golden dragon is great as a base for stories.
Thanks so much! They're meant to more "funny what-ifs?" than actual advice, but I think some of them can make great long-term player ambitions or BBEG masterplans! I've got some lower level combos coming soon, and a load more of these types of videos on my TikTok DnD_Sh0rts if you want to see all of them!
I like useing them as was to find npcs in the middle of a (ritual) witch will just be them going through these steps with the help of cultist and a shaman or to you look like a beast of a dm with very little work but if you party want to the can in mechanic see what was happening before the busted in murdered every one and started peaceing it together
@@WobblesandBean jesus christ! That's not how a good gm acts! Rpg games are about telling a story and having fun doing it, it is not fun to have a challenge you can never overcome and it ruins the story for the heros to just, DIE!? As a GM I am pretty iffed about your gm as well! You gotta tell him that's not okay! I can't understand how even he found that fun.
You can always shapechange as a dragon back into a handsome bard and seduce away! I'd never dream of making a combo that prevented you from trying to seduce a tavern wench, pretty sure that would be illegal.
R.A.W works, I dont know why the Clone spell has no specification on type (can I grow a clone of an undead or construct? Yes you can, apparently). It is Dracolich lore that a True Dragon's body is harder to create than a humanoid's, and thats why Dracoliches need the corpse of another Dragon to revive.
Can I just pick a Gold Dragon with True Polymorph even having not seen it before? What kind of restrictions would my DM try to pull to try to get me to not use this? (This will be my first official run)
They may rule that you have to have seen the creature but it's not actually a requirement for the spell as written on Roll20! They can mess with the combo if they want, as DMs can do anything, but if you clear it with them in advance you should be okay, this isn't so broken compared to other things max level characters can do! The Infinite Wizard combo on my channel is way more busted, for example!
If you get high enough level to actually pull this off and warn the DM, there are enough things that can go wrong (and cost + time involved) that a reasonable DM should be able to make it a challange enough to make the reward reasonable.
@@VampyreAngels As a Gold Dragon, your argument would be that your existence breaks the law and that you should follow the letter of penalty exactly, even if it means ritualistic suicide. Posers always think "har har le memes" and would get their stupid ideas destroyed by any AL DM but they know they're posers so they avoid "that scary AL thingy"
Anyone want to tell him that clone only works on humanoids and beasts, not dragons? [Edit]I was thinking of simulacrum. Clone has other problems already mentioned, but not this one.
I got into a really interesting debate about this with my followers on TikTok, but in the end it turns out the confusion comes from a new errata which doesn't state the creature needs to be medium sized, as taken from Roll 20 if you read the spell Clone: roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Clone#content However, you should be prepared for your DM to ask you for a larger container, and a possible longer time for the clone to grow. If your DM does use the old rulings, a work around is to have a friend help you out with reduce/enlarge to become a medium sized adult gold dragon before cloning, or become a young gold dragon and wait a few years!
It doesn't say it only works if it's medium sized, it says the container for the clone must be large enough to hold a medium creature. It is written with the assumption that the caster is a humanoid. Even if it was restricted to medium, you can spawn as a wyrmling clone (still a dragon but not an adult so it would still be wrong I guess).
@@michaelbanks1000 that's why you make it a huge jar. the spell doesn't give a size limit, just that it has to be large enough to fit a medium creature.
@@DrJovince Ok, so I was reading from the book. You probably got your definition from D&D Beyond didn't you? Look up the spell, every other source makes no mention of a size category limit.
I've actually been wanting to put together a game where everyone unkowingly has a boss power & working out how set it up. Initially everyone makes their characters & draw straws that I have prepped for them. They wouldnt figure it out right away, but one person might die & come back as a Lich.. and as things progress, there will be a global threat that these players will have to fight off regardless of their shenanigans.
Hi im new to dnd and i had a question. Lets say im a wizard at level 18, and i take a lot (and i mean A LOT) of toothpicks or matches or something that size and cast glyph of warding at max level, then put fireball at max level on them, and having the glyph activate when thrown on the ground. Then i fill an entire bag of holding with set toothpicks. With enough time, could i actually do this? Could i empty a bag of holding with hyndreds of thausands of fireballs on the enemy?
it would be amazing and I LOVE how you're thinking, but sadly Glyphs of Wardings can't be moved more than 10 ft from where they are cast. It's for this exact reason, so they only work for storing a spell at a certain place for later, or setting a trap if you think someone will walk by. What you could do is store the toothpicks in a room and cast glyph of warding on them where you know a fight will go down, and have them activate when you say a phrase, for example: DIE, FOOLS!!!!
@@DnDShorts well, i see. Anywho, still lots of pain by having the "spiderwebs" in the door have max glyph of warding with max fireball inside :))))))))))
You use adult dragons stst sheet instead of your own, another 9th lvl spell I believe shape change does the same thing but cant become permanent and let's you use your class abilities
I would asume so 🤔 Yes, their not in the stat block of a dragon but dragons are inteligent creatures and known to be extreamly potent casters (they have a sorcerer subclass just because someone in your family boned a dragon...) and most if not all spells are learned. So i would allow it in most cases
No, look at the way TP works. You don't get to keep your class features. Gold dragons usually learn wizardry, but you transform into a completely average version of that creature with no class levels. No spells for you.
I love this as an idea. I am thrilled that I seen this. I have a dnd character (newly created wizard) and have been looking for way for him to extend his life outside lichdom. This actually sounds like something they would do and my dm is all for the idea as an "end of game" thing. P.s I just subscribed as I have thoroughly enjoy your stuff.
Hint: You can go past level 20 by gaining Epic Feats (usually by achieving something great or getting 30'000 extra EXP, depends on the DM). One of those is Immortality. Yup, laugh at all those stupid Liches for not just simply training harder, because finding out the secrets of lichdom is usually just as hard as reaching level 20 and getting an Epic Boon. Also, why look for some obscure forbidden necromancy spell when the 7th level necromancy Clone already makes you pretty much immortal anyways?
@@Nauriek Lichdom also comes with several powers and Clone doesn't stop you from aging, the clones will have the age you had when you started the process.
@@Hektols The Clone spell's description literally mentions that you can make the clone younger than yourself. And i think the powers granted by lichdom arguably aren't worth the severe vulnerability and massive appeal to angry Paladins, Clerics, and good-aligned adventurers in general.
Watching this made me remember. "You got what you wanted, but you lost what you had." You are now indeed an adult gold dragon but you are no longer whatever race you where adventures just wont be the same knowing you now have what you wanted but lost the life you had.
I like this setup a good stroy line of a NPC attempting to trying to ascend its power. And the party has to try to figure out what the npc is trying to do, stop their process or have to deal with the consequences. Thanks for idea !
Best case scenario if Ao does not simply "swipe left" when a random error blip appears in his farts trail, as he usually does not give a f... about most things - become immediate blip on the radar of ALL other dragons who won't be super into "mortal imposter among us" thing.
That's having a lot of trust that your dm won't see this as an opportunity to say "the clone spell goes awry because of weird high-level magic interactions that the creators of the spells did not account for. You are now a horribly disfigured (but shiny!) Kobold"
It gets even better if the dragons as spellcasters rule is in play. You can set up a bunch of things with some friends with those days you're waiting for the clone to grow.
Plot twist: The BBEG' s minions whisks away with your original polymorphic body... They then offer IT to the BBEG... a Dracolich phylactery... who the revives to once again reek havoc upon the mortal world
My friend uses polymorph to turn into an adult red shadow dragon in our campaign. Tiamat is very unhappy, but we have convinced a blue dragon that he’s actually a dragon.
![[4K직캠] BABYMONSTER(베이비몬스터) - FOREVER](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PS3UAFto1z8/mqdefault.jpg)
Hey! If you liked this, why not go to the next level, and become AN ANCIENT RED DRAGON! It's a little more complex, but the full tutorial is right here: th-cam.com/video/z06H9fMcEwU/w-d-xo.html
Correction: your clone is a baby dragon, and clone arguably does not work for dragons unless in humanoid form.
I low key would just give the rest of the team a greed curse and force then to fight the dragon and make them be reborn to the legend of the great betraying dragon. Which is I make a legendary quest only a choosen few(they) can do/set right.
The ship Vision problem.
Extra:
Dm: So your lawful good now.
Me: Do I, do I have to be. I saying when these guys polymorph as us they could be whatever they want. A neutral golden double triple agent spy seem the most fun.
Yeah, medium creatures only for clone :/
I'm actually trying to build a wizard who turns into dragons so this was useful
The bigest Problem of the Videos is that my DM is also wotching it. If not i would 100% rebuild it.
Go for it.
It will be a race against your DM who can outsmart the other to acomplish (or stop in case of the DM) their objective first.
Or play the long game
Or do it with a other DM
@@davidphilpp604 make sure of having trust qith that DM, if I ever pull something like this qith my usal DM he will first tell me to F off and laugh, but no problem given that I WILL HAVE to be ready to some heavy shit hitting my Pc but all in fun. Now a new or not usal DM I don't knos how will react
Just play the long con
At level 17-20, I'd be like "this might as well happen," were I the DM.
Yea DND kind of falls apart at the seams after level 16 lol
@@johnpaulcross424 only if you play for stats. The rp still holds.
@@artemiswallace8716 oh of course! It’s incredible catharsis to see your character go from being barely stronger than your average commoner to being able to warp the fabric of reality at will, it’s just that combat becomes a living nightmare.
Ahh but you all realize this could be used to trick your DM let's say campaign gets stale... You decide as a group to all kill off your characters to start a new campaign... Then you pull one of these in silence... And boom you are technically the same character!
@@johnpaulcross424 well, thats why when people get high leveled they end up fighting gods ... and archfiends
I might make a villain do this. That sounds crazy.
I think it's perfect for a BBEG plan yeah! I was thinking of having it like a ticking clock, the party has to kill the BBEG before the 120 day gestation time on the clone was up otherwise they'd go full gold dragon and be unstoppable, and there's only 1 day left! And then of course when they succeed the BBEG soul passes into an incomplete Gold Dragon clone and he's birthed as a horrifying, incomplete monstrosity with wild bursts of magic exploding from his necrotic, half-living, unnatural form. And that's your REAL final boss. Anyway, that was just my idea, if it's helpful for your campaign!
You're genius
@@DnDShorts sorry but I'm new to dm'ing. How would you do the wild bursts of magic part? Would you roll a d100 or something like that every other turn to see if a spell gets cast?
@@teigancarter93 i would either use the wild magic table in the phb under wild magic sorcerer, or find a good one online. Either way, I would treat it as wild magic
I greatly appreciate the context of your comment with your photo of The Rani.
I actually managed to do this as a level 9 monk. Our party found a genie and it agreed to grant a Wish. I wish to be a gold dragon as my character wanted to become a dragon. Our DM said I could only be a young dragon as my character would still be as old as he was. I said okay. Little bit later I went ahead in search of some Ghosts. I purposefully failed the Horrifying Visage checks and got aged to 100 years and killed the ghosts. Next morning I was an adult.
Then you realize that it’s extremely hard to escape or enter anything.
How do you purposefully fail a check?
@@Masque1419 Well technically you cant purposefully "fail it", you can just choose not to make one.
@@josephehlers2007 Adult metallic dragons can shapechange into humanoids.
@@pizzahaken4527 oh yea.
Then learn true polymorph as a gold dragon. Step one again, when you feel yourself growing elderly (dragons seem like, but are not immortal) true polymorph yourself into literally anything. Wait an hour, glyph of warding and clone for a younger version what ever you are, wait 120 days. Repeat. Experience every walk of life as every living and unliving thing in the multiverse.
Edit: the 120 days is time in my library (that I build in my lair) getting my wizard levels back. Also obviously we intersperse things we don’t want all of the beast clones right next to each other that could really mess things up.
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Your clone can be a younger version of yourself, so you don't need to true polymorph again...
I see we've discovered my next big baddies back story. Or a least a piece of it. Thank you friend.
Oh so an evil deity?
@@onathezema5821 I choose RUN
As a DM, I would be totally fine with this combo, due to the fact that I now have an excuse to have a kaiju fight in game. It's a win-win situation.
That would be cool
I see this as an absolute win!
Cool, you are now permanently an adult gold dragon. Btw, the tarrasque is emerging from the ground.
@@skeletor4062 LOL, exactly
Brrooo, stop that this instant, a frickin kaiju, how would you even homebrew that? What's the base stat block you're going to use? I'm a beginner DM running my first campaign and I'm just grabbing all the information I can lol
DM: *breaks out the Immortal's Handbook* "Suddenly a Neutronium Golem attacks..."
I read that as “Neutronium Golium” 😂
@@GolfingFetus Ok? So how's that funny? It doesn't sound like an actual word...
@@duckytheduckster0 you must be fun at parties...
@@GolfingFetus Actually I am, I just simply don't have to find your very crappy joke funny.
@@duckytheduckster0 I was simply posting what _I_ thought was funny.
You’re free to be an insufferable d-bag wherever you’re welcomed; be that at parties or in the TH-cam comment section.
Our dm didnt get pissed over this kind if stuff. He just waited for us to realize, the dragon form cant fit through the crawlspace to escape
Don't all dragons have the ability to take a humanoid form though?
@@phestojen7966 In theory he would retain his own spellcasting since Dragons are notorious spell users. So yeah they would be able to polymorph into their original humanoid form.
Oh we all figured it out but he would always make it near impossible to get out. Like sudden random kobold hoard to worship the new dragon
@@michellealinateague9892 Pfft! He literally stopped yall with a rabid fan club XD
@@phestojen7966 yes he did. Well he stopped the mage. My ranger was free to slip away and start disabling traps on the treasure room.
That and our DM was a fan of Lovecraft. So if we got uppity, he gave us Chuthulhu in mythic armor with life bonding to an innocent child.
Gm: alright what do you do next?
Player: I sit on my bed for 120 days!
Gm: Why...?
Player: no reason *muaha* *MUAHAHAHAHA*
@@Still-Focus- Ok, so you can clone yourself into a younger version (Wyrmling) which is medium size, and wait till you become an Adult Gold Dragon. I don't know how long will that wait be, though
Wyrmling 0-5 years old
Young 6-100 years old
adult 101-800 years old
ancient 801+ years old
@@Still-Focus- I sit on the bed for 96 years then!
@@Still-Focus- Thank you for the info!
If previously to this, you true polymorph a symulacrum of yourself into a ghost, you can have it use Horrifying Visage on your gold dragon form once per roud. Then just choose to fail the saving throws and get aged 800+ years to become an Ancient Gold Dragon in less than a day.
nice idea. how great would be to become such a magnificent dragon.
until the GM gets pissed off and proves that there's always a bigger threat.
I like to think of myself as a fun and fair DM. If a player wants to become a dragon, I can get behind that (come on, who doesn't!), but they have to earn it, and not just by level up.
I'm not sure the exact trials they'd face but they would need to win the favor of either Behaumet, or Tiamat if going chromatic, before they attempt this. Otherwise those gods are going to come after them for trying to cheat the cosmic order.
I love the idea of building into a campaign like that, that would be amazing!
Eh... by the time they're 17th level if they want to waste it getting weaker that's their prerogative.
Clone only does medium size so that means wrymling. At best its a magic rebirth as a vastly weaker creature that will be useful to the 17th level players in 100 years.
@@Pistonrager Personally I think that's still pretty good. Consider that for long term campaign settings your old character could become a permanent npc for future use.
@@Pistonrager wouldn't you be able to just use the shapeshift from the gold dragon and just shapeshift back after you transferred your mind to the clone, because it's still the golden dragon.
@@Pistonrager if I were dming this, I’d say they could build a larger vessel for the clone to grow in, but multiply the gold cost for each size category above medium. (Times 2 for large, times 3 for huge and so on…)
"...and a very pissed off DM" ah yes the goal every player strives for.
Every *bad player strives for...
I see a flaw. True poly doesn't give the legendaries. Why would a clone of it?
@Jack It's not generally considered good to try and derail your DM's game. The overall point is to have fun, if something you do as a player would possibly stop the fun for others, then you are just being a douche. If the DM allows it, he is going to have to adjust to make the game challenging enough for you or suffer watching you steam roll his campaign, which would quickly not be fun for anyone but you. Its not only up to the DM to keep the campaign fun but players as well, you can just as easily screw everything with a careless action. While it is impressive to pull off something this complex to pull off, DM's are given power to change the rules for a reason. I have seen many groups fall apart because of thing like this, I certainly would try to discourage this or possibly add some checks that you would have to pass for it to work. Also I think True Poly only works for up to medium creatures but I could be wrong.
I realize this is just the comment section of youtube and my thoughts mean nothing, but i have quit playing with players and dms that make it a competition between dm and player. One person in particular basically attempts to lord his "vast knowledge and experience" over everyone. I ran a lvl 20 one shot for a group of friends and he came to the table and did an obnoxious over done evil laugh....he said his character was immune to fear fighting a pit fiend and had some ridiculous combo that was basically the equivalent of a "watch me play magic" deck. I looked at the other players and they were just as fed up as i was so i made up a special wrinkle that gave the pit fiend the blessing of asmodeus so he had a on off switch for an unblockable, targeted frightful presence. Being a devil and all, the pit fiend recognized a soul he would have a ton of fun torturing, he just spammed frightful presence on the douche player. Everyone laughed and had a great time watching him spend his entire turn running away the rest of the night. I didn't tell him it was unsavable, he was just rolling like crap so it was hilarious. It was great fun, except for douchebag. Which is exactly what he deserved. We no longer play with him. We still hang out and talk about dnd, and if his attitude ever changes he'll be welcome back, but he's just a douchy dnd player so i doubt it ever will.
@@ivar5021 interesting story you got to post that on reddit somewhere
Step 1: Be at least level 17...
Okay I’m out
Me thinking about this: Awesome
DM when I try it in a campaign: The clone takes your natural human form
More importantly, ANYTHING you changed with True Polymorph shifts back when the spell ends. Killing yourself would end the spell.
@Herbert Adams the body grown wouldnt though.The Clone spells only makes Medium Creatures so it would have to be a dragon wyrmling and also you'd loose all your spells though.
@@miraculine8673 but you dont lose knowledge of it or your slots or levels. so you can just re-prepare. also you have thousands of years to study again.
@@jingthethief no you literally loose all your class features
Sure the knowledge will stay but you can't use them anymore
@@miraculine8673 you are relying on crunch too much. you are thinking the player throws out his old character sheet and takes the stats of the dragon. this isnt a char polymorphed as a dragon. he is a dragon and has a dragon's...everything. along with the knowledge and skills he accumulated as a mortal. thats why you just add the resistance and the atrributes of the dragon plus any othe physical abilities like dark vision etc to the original char sheet. if the laws of physics in universe worked that way the world would not make sense in a way conducive to a good time.
This is actually a very good villain concept
*Laughs in dm*
Thank you :)
It's the plot of Darkstone.
Since an errata to the way Polymorph works you don't get the legendary actions when you take the Gold Dragon's form sadly. I based this combo on the Roll20 page for the spells, but apparently the DnD app has updated versions. But hey, you don't need Legendary Actions to be a freaking powerhouse as a gold dragon! Bonus points for waiting 1000 years to become ancient for dat tasty CR boost!
Nothing about the way Clone works suggests it can work with a polymorphed form. If it could duplicate your stats exactly, you could use Shapechange instead for the combo and possibly keep your spellcasting capabilities. Additionally, using True Polymorph on yourself prevents you from being able to undo the form at will, since you lose access to your spellcasting. You can somewhat get around this with Glyph of Warding Dispel Magic, assuming that no one triggers the glyph on themselves first (This could be avoided with a proper trigger). But if your gambit worked then you wouldn't be polymorphed anymore, and the form couldn't be dispelled.
So in other words, you're close, oh so very close. But I think the Dragon Wizard Gambit is still not quite cracked yet.
@@supersmily5811 that's why he used the clone spell as a glyph of warding, after death you would no longer be under the effects of true polymopher. Also just because something isn't specifcally mentioned doesn't mean it isn't possible just that it hasn't been thought of, it depends on your dm and it's a clever idea to get around it
Just traveling to the Astral realm for a few days come back and bam instant time travel+aging
@ProtoPool 😑...do I really need to answer that?
@@Lord_Xonaz the IRL astral plane or the in game one?
I've found a HUGE (not Medium) problem with this method.
The 'Clone' spell specifies that "This spell grows a inert duplicate of a living, Medium creature as a safeguard against death. This clone forms inside a sealed vessel and grows to full size and maturity after 120 days; you can also choose to have the clone be a younger version of the same creature."
You try to circumvent this by casting the 'Clone' while you're a Medium creture and storing it with a 'Glyth of Warding' to activate once you have transformed into an Adult Gold Dragon, growing a duplicate of you in that form. What you failed to consider is that the 'Clone' spell also specifies that the material components that you need to cast this spell includes, among other things "at least 1 cubic inch of flesh of the creature that is to be cloned, which the spell consumes..."
This would mean that you would need 1 cubic inch of flesh of the creature that is to be cloned (that would be your character) when you're casting the 'Clone' spell as part of creating the 'Glyth of Warding'. At this point it is already decided what creature is to be grown. If you used flesh of your character as an Adult Gold Dragon when casting the clone spell, it wouldn't work since it needs to be of a Medium creature to grow a duplicate.
If you used your characters original flesh when casting the 'Clone' spell, it would grow a duplicate of THAT creature when the spell triggers and would not care that you have transformed into a Adult Gold Dragon since then.
I suppose what you could do is transforming yourself into a Gold Dragon Wyrmling (that is a Medium creature) take 1 cubic inch of flesh of yourself in this form and use it as material for the 'Clone' spell and grow a duplicate of a Gold Dragon Wyrmling, let it grow for 120 day, kill yourself and have your soul transfer into the dublicate of you as Gold Dragon Wyrmling. It would take an addtional 100 years to become a Adult Gold Dragon, but maybe that could work. I'm not entirely sure.
Nerrrrd!
😁
@@thorbartzi994 I know 😅
Something to note, adult gold dragons can polymorph themselves into any size creature it wants and keep its ability to change back at any time. This means you can change shape into a human, clone that, which will still have the ability to transform back into a gold dragon upon use, and problem solved.
This is EXACTLY what one of my players did. She was a non-combatant (mostly) who specialized in Blacksmith, Alchemy, Enchanter, and Craftsman. Using those skills, she augmented her dragon with retractable jets and added metal, polymorphic prosthetic arms that can transform into giant, melee weapons, "towering" shields, and/or siege cannons. I had her fight 3 Tarrasques at the same time, but she still one-sided that awesome battle.
To this day, I keep an eye out on my non-combatant players.
“medium creature” -clone spell. unless im wrong you’d have to start as a wyrmling
This is the comment I posted:
well this is actually kinda wrong, clone only works on a medium sized creature.
In order to combat this you would need to shapechange into a medium sized creature. (Could be anything really) and then when your clone has grown you shapechange back.
@@subiugetur so, say you shape change into a wyrmling trigger glyph and clone pops out. You wait 120 days and clone is grown. You die. Now you're a wyrmling. So unless you're playing the long game you won't be an adult gold dragon for a long time.
@@subiugetur with shape change I’m going too assume you mean shape change as the gold dragon into, idk a cat. Now if you were to activate the glyph you would turn into a cat by the logic of the video.
And technically this won’t even be a problem as only the container needs too be medium sized. Not the creature
“Clone
8th level necromancy
Casting Time: 1 hour
Range: Touch
Components: V S M (A diamond worth at least 1,000 gp and at least 1 cubic inch of flesh of the creature that is to be cloned, which the spell consumes, and **a vessel worth at least 2,000 gp that has a sealable lid and is large enough to hold a Medium creature**, such as a huge urn, coffin, mud-filled cyst in the ground, or crystal container filled with salt water)
Duration: Instantaneous
Classes: Wizard
This spell grows an inert duplicate of a living creature as a safeguard against death. This clone forms inside a sealed vessel and grows to full size and maturity after 120 days; you can also choose to have the clone be a younger version of the same creature. It remains inert and endures indefinitely, as long as its vessel remains undisturbed.
At any time after the clone matures, if the original creature dies, its soul transfers to the clone, provided that the soul is free and willing to return. The clone is physically identical to the original and has the same personality, memories, and abilities, but none of the original’s equipment. The original creature’s physical remains, if they still exist, become inert and can’t thereafter be restored to life, since the creature’s soul is elsewhere.”
The component lists a container that is 'large enough to hold a medium creature'.
A container that can hold a giant is still also large enough to hold a medium creature', so that shouldn't be an issue.
However I wouldnt count the polymorphed flesh as valid flesh for the spell regardless.
A whirmling is still fun tho
Actually, this might be a great solution for my dragonborn. He was once an Ancient Bronze Dragon given a second chance at life as a dragonborn. So adding a Wish spell to keep his sorcerer form as his human form, he can actually regain his draconic form.
Clone can only make medium creatures. Adult dragon is a huge creature. Great idea though, you could use it in a lot of other ways.
They could use it for a wyrmling and grow to adult, but thats as close as they get.
Doesn´t a adult gold dragon have an action to change shape? Would that be a way to circumvent this restriction?
@@sleyedeathripper they could, normally that might take a few hundred years. They could do in in the feywilds if they rolled good. To be honest, this is such a creative idea that I don’t know if a dm would not just say fuck it that’s cool! In terms of power, if you play well, a single 15th level player character can reasonably fight a adult red dragon and win 50/50. 20th level character would be stronger than a dragon.
@@Roxasandaxel13 I believe it’s another polymorph, and it has a duration. And in terms of an alter self spell, that can’t change size categories. There are actually two ways of reducing size with spells, but they won’t revert to normal once you have a new body. You could technically become a minuscule adult dragon by using imprisonment spell, but you would stay that way permanently. You could poly into a young dragon and cast reduce to meet the medium creature requirement, but again, you would be medium permanently. The whole reason that the combo works is that it doesn’t dispel the creature.
@@Roxasandaxel13 even if it does work, which is unlikely, your clone will then just be of whatever you shapeshifted into.
“Godlike stats”
Me, who my convinced my DM to let me keep all my stat changing books:”Godlike? More like Demi God”
DM: What makes you think I'll even give you that time or level?
thats not a very fun dm are they? also it could be a way of retiring a high level character.
"You can turn yourself into a dragon."
*SCALIE INTENSIFIES*
Lol
In the current playthrough we are doing now my character just found out his father fell in love with a dragon years before he met the man who would become his other Father. He now understands why he was always more of a gold colored elf than all the other Sun elves.
Don't forget paying for the DM's therapy, like with the previous video.
This seems like an amazing way to have a final form for your BBEG as a DM. Just imagine your a player and you finally kill the BBEG, just for the floor to burst out from underneath you as the BBEG now is reincarnated as a gold dragon
Okay them, now my wizard has a incredible objective.
Would a chunk of your own flesh count for the material component if you're going to clone a dragon
Has to be a chunk of your flesh while you're true polymorphed as a dragon
@@suracha8130 You could store a Wish spell copying Clone, since copying a spell using Wish lets you ignore components.
@@Barris42 Yeah though there is a chance you would lose the ability to use Wish.
@@brandonvandijk5736 Copying a spell is the one thing you can do that doesn’t run the risk of being unable to cast Wish again.
“The stress of casting this spell to produce any effect other than duplicating another spell weakens you.”
“Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast wish ever again if you suffer this stress.”
Until a God of the dragons goes nope!
Snaps his claws and human again...
I know what my Sorcerer is going to do today boys
These videos aren't just helpful for players, which I like. Personally, I loved telling my players that they entered a room and took thousands of hit points of un-sheildable damadge. Lol, jk, but things like an ordinary mortal rising to become a golden dragon is great as a base for stories.
Thanks so much! They're meant to more "funny what-ifs?" than actual advice, but I think some of them can make great long-term player ambitions or BBEG masterplans! I've got some lower level combos coming soon, and a load more of these types of videos on my TikTok DnD_Sh0rts if you want to see all of them!
I like useing them as was to find npcs in the middle of a (ritual) witch will just be them going through these steps with the help of cultist and a shaman or to you look like a beast of a dm with very little work but if you party want to the can in mechanic see what was happening before the busted in murdered every one and started peaceing it together
What you must described as a joke is precisely what my DM did to my party yesterday. TPK on just the second ever session. I'm still salty about it.
@@WobblesandBean jesus christ! That's not how a good gm acts! Rpg games are about telling a story and having fun doing it, it is not fun to have a challenge you can never overcome and it ruins the story for the heros to just, DIE!? As a GM I am pretty iffed about your gm as well! You gotta tell him that's not okay! I can't understand how even he found that fun.
That’s it, that’s my next characters arc
This is going to make romancing the tavern wench, problematic.
You can always shapechange as a dragon back into a handsome bard and seduce away! I'd never dream of making a combo that prevented you from trying to seduce a tavern wench, pretty sure that would be illegal.
The DM confused as I hibernate for 120 days
R.A.W works, I dont know why the Clone spell has no specification on type (can I grow a clone of an undead or construct? Yes you can, apparently). It is Dracolich lore that a True Dragon's body is harder to create than a humanoid's, and thats why Dracoliches need the corpse of another Dragon to revive.
Can I just pick a Gold Dragon with True Polymorph even having not seen it before? What kind of restrictions would my DM try to pull to try to get me to not use this? (This will be my first official run)
They may rule that you have to have seen the creature but it's not actually a requirement for the spell as written on Roll20! They can mess with the combo if they want, as DMs can do anything, but if you clear it with them in advance you should be okay, this isn't so broken compared to other things max level characters can do! The Infinite Wizard combo on my channel is way more busted, for example!
If you get high enough level to actually pull this off and warn the DM, there are enough things that can go wrong (and cost + time involved) that a reasonable DM should be able to make it a challange enough to make the reward reasonable.
They could sick a actual dragon on you as this seems like something that would be banned in dragon culture
@@herokid789 they could try but as a gold dragon I would very quickly win that argument against anything the council sends my way
@@VampyreAngels As a Gold Dragon, your argument would be that your existence breaks the law and that you should follow the letter of penalty exactly, even if it means ritualistic suicide.
Posers always think "har har le memes" and would get their stupid ideas destroyed by any AL DM but they know they're posers so they avoid "that scary AL thingy"
The simple dude: plays Rise of Tiamat with starter background from module
I love how much DnD lets you break it and it's really up to the DM to stop you from going absolutely batshit with the builds.
Anyone want to tell him that clone only works on humanoids and beasts, not dragons?
[Edit]I was thinking of simulacrum. Clone has other problems already mentioned, but not this one.
Is there an errata or something for that? No where in the spell does it say only humanoids and beasts.
@@friendlyneighborhooddm6330 Oops. I was thinking of simulacrum.
No, but clone can only clone medium and smaller creatures.
@@calebstuder448 enlarge and reduce? Make it medium?
Clone works only for medium creatures
I got into a really interesting debate about this with my followers on TikTok, but in the end it turns out the confusion comes from a new errata which doesn't state the creature needs to be medium sized, as taken from Roll 20 if you read the spell Clone: roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Clone#content However, you should be prepared for your DM to ask you for a larger container, and a possible longer time for the clone to grow.
If your DM does use the old rulings, a work around is to have a friend help you out with reduce/enlarge to become a medium sized adult gold dragon before cloning, or become a young gold dragon and wait a few years!
@@DnDShorts being a young gold dragon is brilliant. Here is a man who truly wishes to become a dragon.
Gonna use this as a major plot point where a mad wizard of the Cult of the Dragon uses this to become a powerful dragon.
Step 6 caught me a bit off-guard lol
This won't work, clone only works if the creature is medium sized. An adult gold dragon is huge.
It doesn't say it only works if it's medium sized, it says the container for the clone must be large enough to hold a medium creature. It is written with the assumption that the caster is a humanoid. Even if it was restricted to medium, you can spawn as a wyrmling clone (still a dragon but not an adult so it would still be wrong I guess).
@@jimmyshousevideos you can't get a huge creature in a medium sized jar. Your clone will not fit.
@@michaelbanks1000 that's why you make it a huge jar. the spell doesn't give a size limit, just that it has to be large enough to fit a medium creature.
@@jimmyshousevideos The spell text explicitly says: "This spell grows an inert duplicate of a living, Medium creature as a safeguard against death."
@@DrJovince Ok, so I was reading from the book. You probably got your definition from D&D Beyond didn't you? Look up the spell, every other source makes no mention of a size category limit.
I've actually been wanting to put together a game where everyone unkowingly has a boss power & working out how set it up. Initially everyone makes their characters & draw straws that I have prepped for them.
They wouldnt figure it out right away, but one person might die & come back as a Lich.. and as things progress, there will be a global threat that these players will have to fight off regardless of their shenanigans.
My DM only allows spells that deal damage be stored in glyph of warding. So no go for me.
"... And a very pissed off DM" perfection
Hi im new to dnd and i had a question. Lets say im a wizard at level 18, and i take a lot (and i mean A LOT) of toothpicks or matches or something that size and cast glyph of warding at max level, then put fireball at max level on them, and having the glyph activate when thrown on the ground. Then i fill an entire bag of holding with set toothpicks. With enough time, could i actually do this? Could i empty a bag of holding with hyndreds of thausands of fireballs on the enemy?
it would be amazing and I LOVE how you're thinking, but sadly Glyphs of Wardings can't be moved more than 10 ft from where they are cast. It's for this exact reason, so they only work for storing a spell at a certain place for later, or setting a trap if you think someone will walk by. What you could do is store the toothpicks in a room and cast glyph of warding on them where you know a fight will go down, and have them activate when you say a phrase, for example: DIE, FOOLS!!!!
@@DnDShorts well, i see. Anywho, still lots of pain by having the "spiderwebs" in the door have max glyph of warding with max fireball inside :))))))))))
@@DnDShorts What about inside a bag of holding or demiplane?
I have a question?
If we would polymorf would we still keep our wizard abilities or not ?
You use adult dragons stst sheet instead of your own, another 9th lvl spell I believe shape change does the same thing but cant become permanent and let's you use your class abilities
I can see the DM now. "Good work, make a new character as you're now an NPC," queue maniacal laughter.
Now with the introduction of Fizbans:
Search out other realities for alternate versions of yourself and become a Great-Wyrm.
I'm doing this asap
Edit : would you keep your spells?
I would asume so 🤔
Yes, their not in the stat block of a dragon but dragons are inteligent creatures and known to be extreamly potent casters (they have a sorcerer subclass just because someone in your family boned a dragon...) and most if not all spells are learned. So i would allow it in most cases
No, look at the way TP works. You don't get to keep your class features. Gold dragons usually learn wizardry, but you transform into a completely average version of that creature with no class levels. No spells for you.
No
@@thestoopidiot870 If it has no class levels... can it gain exp and pick them up?
DM: Alrigth, your character with his new draconic perspective decided to live his life as the rest of his new find kind. Roll a new character.
Ooooh I loooove that.
"and a very pissed off DM"
Golden 😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a DM you have no idea how much I'd allow and work towards making something like this happen. This sounds like a wonderfully fun idea.
I love this as an idea. I am thrilled that I seen this. I have a dnd character (newly created wizard) and have been looking for way for him to extend his life outside lichdom. This actually sounds like something they would do and my dm is all for the idea as an "end of game" thing.
P.s I just subscribed as I have thoroughly enjoy your stuff.
Hint: You can go past level 20 by gaining Epic Feats (usually by achieving something great or getting 30'000 extra EXP, depends on the DM).
One of those is Immortality. Yup, laugh at all those stupid Liches for not just simply training harder, because finding out the secrets of lichdom is usually just as hard as reaching level 20 and getting an Epic Boon. Also, why look for some obscure forbidden necromancy spell when the 7th level necromancy Clone already makes you pretty much immortal anyways?
@@Nauriek Lichdom also comes with several powers and Clone doesn't stop you from aging, the clones will have the age you had when you started the process.
@@Hektols
The Clone spell's description literally mentions that you can make the clone younger than yourself. And i think the powers granted by lichdom arguably aren't worth the severe vulnerability and massive appeal to angry Paladins, Clerics, and good-aligned adventurers in general.
@@Nauriek I see, I looked at the older version of the spell that didn't allow that, I didn't know that the new version had that feature.
The Waffle House has found its new host
not me quietly whispering "imma do it" with an evil chuckle before my confused dm asks "what?"
Just gonna brush over the ‘waiting 120 days’ part
The waffle house has found it's new host
The Waffle House has found it’s new host
the Waffle House has found it's new host.
The Waffle House has found it's new host.
The Waffle House has found it's new host.
When life gives you dragons, you clobe those dragons and make superdragons.
Why stop there? Get a bunch of simulacrums in glyphs too for a dragon adventuring party, all controlled by yourself!
I want a Buzzfeed quiz stating just what kind of dragon from D&D you would be. From metallic to chromatic and even gem.
As a DM I'd say.... "Clone is still you currently polymorphed"
finally i can take on gnasty gnork and his minions
Alternative route: be born named Martin Septim, and try to fight the evilest of all daedra in the middle of a church.
"I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds."
- J. Robert Oppenheimer
Heck, I had a DM who turned my dragonblood sorc into an actual dragon by revealing he'd actually been True Polymorphed into a human after birth.
And a very pissed off DM, probably doesn't begin to describe it.
"I'm just gonna wait here for 120 days guys. Go ahead without me"
I don’t think he mentions this but wizard is the only class that can learn all three of the required spells
Watching this made me remember. "You got what you wanted, but you lost what you had." You are now indeed an adult gold dragon but you are no longer whatever race you where adventures just wont be the same knowing you now have what you wanted but lost the life you had.
That and you also wouldnt have any of your spells that got you to this point you are just a gold dragon.
I like this setup a good stroy line of a NPC attempting to trying to ascend its power. And the party has to try to figure out what the npc is trying to do, stop their process or have to deal with the consequences. Thanks for idea !
Great BBEG idea for a dragon obsessed Wizard who craves draconic powers
This is one of those things that is so long and involved that if a DM lets you get away with it they have only themselves to blame.
New DM here, thanks for the warning, note to self "bewear the morph characters they are crafty fuckers"
Step 8: get immediately disintegrated by Ao's single thought when you enter his primary domain as a dragon.
Best case scenario if Ao does not simply "swipe left" when a random error blip appears in his farts trail, as he usually does not give a f... about most things - become immediate blip on the radar of ALL other dragons who won't be super into "mortal imposter among us" thing.
The DM: so you have to wait for 120 days eh?
*Im going to make them a nightmare…*
This is the answer to immortality. Get old? Polymorph to a young incredibly long lived being.
But now you're no longer allowed to hang out in the tavern with your dungeon bros
You've just created the plot of supervillain plan in a campaign😂😂
And because of the physiology of the dragon you can grow older and become an ancient gold dragon
That's having a lot of trust that your dm won't see this as an opportunity to say "the clone spell goes awry because of weird high-level magic interactions that the creators of the spells did not account for. You are now a horribly disfigured (but shiny!) Kobold"
A pissed off DM, or a whole new idea for a recurring villian for the DM's campaign
It gets even better if the dragons as spellcasters rule is in play. You can set up a bunch of things with some friends with those days you're waiting for the clone to grow.
I like how you end it with one pissed-off dm😂
Wizard-brain at its finest. Well done.
Now wait hundreds of years and become an ancient gold dragon.
Plot twist:
The BBEG' s minions whisks away with your original polymorphic body...
They then offer IT to the BBEG... a Dracolich phylactery... who the revives to once again reek havoc upon the mortal world
This idea will be progressively more difficult when the DM wants you to roll for it. 😁
Imagine doing this in secret the whole campaign and then your DM realizes as its to late
You could also turn yourself into a pickle using the same trick.
Also you have a dead dragon's body. So you can use/sell its scales, bones and flesh
Becoming an Adult Gold Dragon isn't what pissed off the DM.... it was waiting the 120 days.
DnD Shorts without a beanie doesn't exist, he can't hurt you
DnD Shorts without a beanie:
"...and a very pissed off DM" XD
problem #1? an empty golden dragon husk with no soul just sitting there? demonic possession
My friend uses polymorph to turn into an adult red shadow dragon in our campaign. Tiamat is very unhappy, but we have convinced a blue dragon that he’s actually a dragon.