Extra Notes: Magnifico's villain song, 'This Is The Thanks I Get' seems to be meant to debunk the idea he wants to help anyone at all but following that line of logic he should have never let Asha see the wishes or even explain them to her. Magnifico seems to have been a completely normal person who managed to learn magic. The movie never tells us why no one else does, so it kinda feels like he's tried harder to accomplish his goals. He went from a (presumably) poor orphan to magic king. Even Asha only lucked into getting Star. When Asha first meets Star she recognizes that it doesn't like actively granting wishes with magic (even though it uses magic in everyother way to help her). I guess this ties into her learning not to rely on magic to grant wishes (until she becomes a fairy god mother) but they never tie this lesson into Magnifico's role and how he feels people are overly demanding (probably because he's supposed to be the bad guy about it).
Not to mention the fact that his subjects mainly seemed concerned with their wishes being granted. His villain song could've been a flashback to the trauma he got from losing his family to selfishness.
do they even tell at some point giving the wish is an obligation or a thing they chose to do, because as I remember it was just a thing people could just decide to do, that why he mentions multiple times people is the one that give him these wishes
@@KnucklesxReala911 It's a choice, and Magnifico mentions this himself. It's not an obligation, but since everyone has a wish, it's become a (frequent) tradition. TBH, given his past, I doubt Magnifico would frequently grant wishes on his own accord.
@@KnucklesxReala911 I mean, I assume they have to. The dialogue kind of implies it, but not very solidly. The wish granting is probably why so many people show up, so it may have never actually have been established as a rule. Then again, I think Asha is the first person who wouldn't do it willingly.
If they committed to the “redeemable villain” route, they could have had Asha and Magnifico each learn something from each other over the course of the movie. Asha could have learned “be careful what you wish for” or “some wishes are genuinely dangerous”. Magnifico could have learned something like “People need more than safety to thrive” or “My paranoia affects more than I realize.” But no, we have a plot with commitment issues.
I can't remember if they did this. I think him realizing he was wrong but the only way to fix the issues was him being gone would be good. Basically he realized he went too far and can't undo it. Or the other option be like Zhao from avatar the last air bender, where his pride leads to his demise. While Asha, or his wife, STILL tries to be kind to him and want to help.
It ain’t a corporate kids film without light hearted emotional themes
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@@C-Farsene_5nothing of here is loghtheaeted; They Even treat the "how Someone with more power than You breaking your dreams can make You don't want to live"
I agree. Because when the king was singing his part of the song the movie should have showed us his past and with Asha they should showed us her past. This movie was good, but it could have been better. Plus, this is Disney's 100 year anniversary for Christ's sake! It should have with off with a bang!
@@tamerawatkins510 I'm disappointed they didn't make the film inspired by "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" or "The Fisherman and His Wife." The plot felt like it had a lot of missing pieces and escalated quickly.
@@SweetOrangeGirl Julia Michaels said she wanted something that could be played at a wedding and still be a villain/hero song. It would've been great for a movie with a hero/villain romance.
One of the problems with Magnifico's character or rather regarding his character, is that they gave him a wife. By giving him a wife they gave him someone whom he loved and who loved him back ( presumably), someone with whom he had shared intimate and wonderful times together ( presumably), someone who loved him with all their heart and he loved her in return ( presumably) and yet, when he was revealed as evil, when he sucumbed to an evil book, when he suffered a villains defeat, did Queen Amaya become heartwrecked? did she fall in tears? was her world shattered and looked at him longingly pleading for him to become the man she loved once again?....... no, it was barely acknowledged, and she even mocked him in the end. This movie was attrociously written and, in my opinion, this is what took it from being a - just ok- film, to total garbage.
@@greenstarlover1I’m still disappointed we didn’t get our first villain couple. We could have had a Morticia-and-Gomez style couple who was genuinely evil and genuinely head-over-heels for each other at the same time.
@@JuniorGustabo beside - if maginfico is supposed to be the magic mirror, let amaya be the evil queen. If we're making that comparison already, then let's go all the way with it.
They unintentionally made Amaya into a power hungry villianess by having her suddenly turn traitor on Magnifico by joining the side of the rebellion and taking over as ruler of the island once he was captured, happily giving the order to have him hung in the dungeon - all because he threatened her while under the influence of the cursed book (which she never tells the people about? Pretty sure the people would be more forgiving of Magnifico's more abusive behavior is they knew he had been cursed rather than acting on his own accord). The people of Rosas are also idiots for not even considering the fact that Amaya had been with Magnifico for so long and may have been aware of what he was doing with the wishes all this time...and said/did nothing about it...making her an accomplice to his supposed cruelty prior to being cursed. And yet they celebrate her now being in charge? Morons - the lot of them!
My reasons why he’s actually a DECENT king: You see, he cares for the citizens. The whole reason he became evil was for the people of Rosa. He was worried about the fact his people could be in danger. The only reason he opened the book was to help them, concluding in his motivations changing simply by my best summary: being possessed by the book. As told, he doesn’t make them do much. They have no need for a job or anything like that. He also, again, is kind to the ppl of Rosa. When Asha begins to rant about her art, he kind of acts like a father and is kind to her interest.he also still gives them wishes. Why doesn’t he just keep them to himself forever as a rule? He’s also willing to bend the rules. When everybody was questioning him and asking for another ceremony, and he agreed to it, despite already having one this month. Also he takes anger out on FAKE villagers. Instead of using his power to abuse a person of Rosa, he uses it to create FAKE ppl to abuse. He cares for them enough to instead use his powers in a different way. He also doesn’t seem to be doing anything to make them unhappy either. They’re all walking around singing and dancing happily.
These are really good points. Even if what he does is because he enjoys having control and making the citizens dependable on him, therefore, feeding into his ego, he is still just an asshole but not evil perse. He had successfully run a kingdom, people seemed happy to live there and liked him as a king.
@@SonneLittleWith all his power, I fail to see what the citizens could do to overthrow him were he to become a tyrant, which I'd personally argue mitigates the 'enjoys having control' aspect somewhat. Not entirely though.
This could have been a good one for a twist villain where the girl ends up the villain and the king is the hero. Have the king seem selfish for not granting wishes, and have her grant all the wishes to have it result in chaos that almost destroys the kingdom. That would be a good twist, and the main character could learn a valuable lesson about magic and responsibilities.
This would have been a good callback to the Sorcerer's Apprentice (Fantasia) where Mickey got magic power and things went haywire. A good lesson on how to use talent/skills responsibly
That would have been perfect! The "When you wish upon a star" never just Gave people their wishes, they still had to work for it. Pinocchio, Ray the Firefly, Tiana, Cinderella; All of them worked for what they got. Cinderella saved her shoe and was kind to her friends the mice to earn their love and help, Pinocchio learned from his mistakes and went to save his father, Ray helped Tiana and Naveen while Tiana was learning to balance her hard work with love and helping both Naveen and her friend. They weren't just GIVEN their wishes! Magnifico seems like he's sensible about it, giving tools to make wishes happen through the people working towards them rather than just making it happen (at first anyway) and keeping potentially dangerous/harmful wishes under wraps so that people can move on with their lives.
And that's exactly what I think Disney was trying to convey
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Magnífico isnt anoyed by the request of granting the wish of the elder: He is anoyed that Asha doesnt understand the dangers of the wish Even after he explains it with apples and oranges
The sad thing is the premise is golden. What if the wishes granted him eternal youth? The roses in the original Beauty and the Beast book represented a year of the Beast's life so when Belle's father picked one, the Beast was understandably angry because he lost one year of his life. Or if he manipulated the people into thinking he was keeping bad people's wishes hostage that would work. He grants wishes but only one per 18 years. Or he secretly grants wishes for evil people to control the kingdom? Or he gaslights the people questioning why their wishes aren't being granted because they had "evil intentions". Publicly shaming them and making them question their morality? The people publicly give him the wishes so he could pretend that "Oh no, this wish can't be granted, it's so horrible" I have been seeing many rewrites of this movie and man are they more interesting than the actual movie.
I was really invested in his backstory, only for it to be 30 seconds long and quickly forgotten. The fact that they make him a full villain out of nowhere and make his dream-harnessing scheme unintentional makes me feel like he'd work better as a comedic villain like Yzma. I do wanna state that Magnifico granting wishes every 18 years drastically changes the plot, since in the film he seems to just do it out of being pressured, and this means tourism won't be high unless it's a ceremony year. Plus it being once a year potentially introduces new potential antagonists who want their wishes granted, or simply want Magnifico's power--which in itself is poorly explained; if anyone can learn magic, why is he the only one who can? Plus he also dabbles in alchemy and has shepshifting, a magic mirror, and memory manipulation under his belt, so he should put the "I" in "Omnipotent." Asha definitely had plot armor on her side.
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@@OpticalSorcererIt's wrong that part: It isnt that he grants a wish once every 18 years, the people wouldnt have questions why the wish of the 100 year old man wasnt granted, furthermore, every 1 months he grants wishes, he just takes the wishes of the people that wants voluntarily at their 18, it isnt Even forced for what they Say, it's just a ceremony
I was getting major cult vibes at the start of the movie from Rosas with how utopian everything was. What if giving your wish away is akin to losing part of your soul? And King Magnifico is keeping these wishes to fuel his own magic? It would make sense if magic comes from the stars and everyone is a star and stuff. The only reason he grants a few wishes a year is because he’s got to keep up the illusion that he chooses to grant wishes, and that’s why people should give him their wishes. And since people usually like taking the easy way out…They give it to him no questions asked. Ultimately, the moral of the story should be that you shouldn’t just sell your soul/wishes to anyone, but make it come true through your own efforts.
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@@streakyanchovy they would need to change various parts of the story: for what we know, magnífico did his kingdom with his Magic and before anyone came to Rosas, he learned Magic earnestly to his late adulthood and was already as powerfull as he is. Furthermore, it's shown in the movie that it isnt in the momment he takes your wish that a part of your soul is destroyed, it's when the wish is absorbed by Magnífico, it is a very much lesser way of showing exactly the same leason as You are saying: giving your dreams to Someone powerfull would leave You with them broken and depressed
Ultimately I think Wish’s biggest problem is a lack of a reason to care They don’t bother to get us invested in any of the side characters, which is REALLY BAD when your main character’s central trait is CARING ABOUT THE SIDE CHARACTERS. We needed time to get invested in Asha’s grandfather, and mother, and her friends, and the kingdom of Rosas. We needed to like them and to understand the importance of wishes to them, and why Magnifico keeping them locked away is a BAD thing. We needed to get emotionally invested in these people and the central conflict of the film, and be able to say “Magnifico is evil because he is hurting these characters we care about” And they just… didn’t do that.
Magnifico's storyline could've easily been the most compelling, given how bland Asha is characterized ("headstrong girl who "cares too much and learns nothing"). I liked The Teens but 7 characters is A LOT to have in one hour and a half movie, plus Asha, her family, and the royals. Not to mention that they aren't characterized much beyond their 7 dwarves traits. I'd have reduced her friends to Dahlia, Dario, and Simon. Despite my love for Gabo, Bazeema, and Safi, Gabo doesn't change his grumpiness throughout the film, nor does he have any major role. Plus Bazeema and Safi don't add anything; Bazeema did offer her hideout, but it's only used for the song and the queen finds it ASAP, so it's not much of a hideout. Safi is sweet, but his defining characterization is loving the hens. And Hal doesn't stand out at all to me. Maybe you could merge some of the Teens: Bazeema with Dahlia, Gabo with Simon, and Safi with Dario.
@@OpticalSorcerer Eh, I don’t really mind Asha not having an arc or anything. A lot of the classic Disney princesses don’t. Belle didn’t really undergo a character arc. Mulan didn’t either unless you count her becoming better at being a soldier. Ariel didn’t. These princesses were unchanging, uncompromising in their values, beliefs and personalities, no matter the hardships they faced, and they changed the world and characters around them as a result. And I think Asha absolutely could work the same way. And yeah, seven characters are a lot, but I don’t think ALL OF THEM need to be like, as fleshed out and complex as Asha is. Take Encanto for example - the family Madrigal has 12 CHARACTERS. Not all of them are well developed, (I’d argue only five are) but even the ones that aren’t developed are memorable and likeable. Also, I think there’s an easy way to flesh out these characters - what are their wishes? In the film it’s implied that only Simon has given up his wish, but what if it’s not just Simon? What if Gabo is grumpy because without his wish, he kinda doesn’t care about anything anymore? What if Bazeema is timid and shy because without her wish she no longer has the courage to step out of her comfort zone or stand up for herself? These don’t have to be in-depth character studies, they can just be quick, memorable scenes. Show their wishes while Asha is searching for her grandfather’s wish. Hell, that random couple who give their wishes away at the beginning SHOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE TEENS. Then we could have had an easy contrast between what a person is like BEFORE their wish was taken and what they are like AFTER their wish has been taken.
@@cartoonishidealism582 Hey, let's not underestimate the girls! Mulan learned self-confidence, achieving her dream of "doing something right" for her family, while Belle learned not to be fooled by appearences and fronts, as she said herself in something in the Beast that she hadn't seen when they first met (and admits it's kinda scary to fall for someone like him). Ariel wanted to explore a new world (many Disney princesses love to explore), and she never really intended to get anyone dragged into it. Pretty much every Disney princess learned a lesson or had some kind of growth (save Aurora due to her short amount of screentime), but concern over growth arcs are kind of a modern thing, since older stories focused more on the conflict rather than character psychology. IMO, Asha's arc could've been about understanding why some wishes can never be granted; in the film, she says people with bad wishes can be stopped, but she never argues how this could be achieved, and Magnifico doing a heel-turn only validates her rather than giving her growth or change in perspective. And I wasn't a huge fan of Encanto's large cast because I felt like Luisa, Isabela, and Dolores' arcs felt rushed since they were side characters among 12 family members. I feel like if Mirabel's sisters joined her quest, it'd give them more time for slower development and grow as sisters--plus Isabela's arc ties into Dolores', so she'll get more time to shine, too. I wholeheartedly AGREE about giving the Teens wishes, though it is an age thing, with only Simon being 18. Not a huge issue to change their ages, though. But I hate the idea that the characters simply have these 7 dwarves-related traits because their wishes were taken away; Simon could naturally be low energy, Bazeema shy, and Gabo irritable without it being because they were missing half of themselves--though I'll admit Gabo seemed like the best person to convey that story aspect instead of Simon. Plus it works better if these are their natural traits because if they do change to become "better," it's natural, highlighting the theme of making your own wishes come true and growing as people. A part of me does agree about the Teens having their wishes instead of the couple, but I do like the couple having their wishes granted to show the world exists and moves without revolving around the main characters. I do want to know what their personal lives are like, though; Asha is the only one who's family we see, and Dahlia's job as making food for the king is only important when Asha wants to know how to get to his private chambers.
I still wanted to analyze more, but was Asha really surprised to know that the king can't grant everyone's wishes? Like, from what I've seen there is a "routine" for the wishes and they are granted in a limited quantity, so of course it wouldn't be possible to fulfill everyone's wishes because there are too many, shouldn't Asha have thought of that since she wanted a job as the king's assistant?(by the way, it would have made more sense if she was already his assistant for some time, that would give Magnifico a reason to tell her the secret).
This was a perfect time for a lesson in maturity/growth, but it was simplified and choppy instead. And in the film, he grants the wish of a random woman without taking her wish, meaning he already has it. I guess he probably does a collection ballot, sometimes using fresh faces (probably tourists) and sometimes using people who already gave their wishes. Nevermind the fact that Magnifico never explains why he needs an apprentice or why Asha is considered, considering she doesn't have an interest in magic and her consideration is random at best, as Magnifico barely knows her.
Same. And maybe she was already trying to help people fulfill their wishes in secret. Not by taking the orbs, but helping people without the use of magic. Or with the little, slightly unstable, magic she has. But then learning that they need the wishes back, and return it to the person, for it to be feel fulfilling. It was only then she tried to steal her grandpa's wish. Specifically when realizing her grandpa's wish won't be chosen. And this was when she has a falling out with the king.
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@@OpticalSorcererfor what it is Say, people at 18 can go and voluntarily give their dreams to Magnífico, but it isnt a requiered thing as the video stated, si thats the reason he has the wish of the woman The apprentice part needs and explanation? I simply thought that he realizes he was getting old
She literally tells people that their wishes being granted is contingent on the wish being worthy. If its not worthy it doesn't get granted. She already KNOWS thst some wishes aren't worthy.
If this were a movie released on a different date it wouldn't have been a problem for it to be "weak", but being the movie for Disney's centenary anniversary put a lot of weight on it...
That's why I think people might be a tad too negative about the movie, but I DO understand why they're upset, and the criticism about it is extremely valid.
It's not just the date. This is meant to be Disney's celebration for 100 years. It being "OKAY" is... Funnily enough, not okay. So the expectations were stupid high for this to be a GREAT movie that embodies Disney existing for 100 years. More so compared to other projects. But it doesn't feel like it. In fact, the only thing that tells us this is a 100 year anniversary, is the equivalent to the coocoo clocks in the Live action Pinocchio. And not through the story, the music, and why Disney can make many stories feel like a timeless classics that can be enjoyed by all ages. It's honestly sad to hear people going from this film being forgettable to apparently parents NEEDING to ask "is this safe?" ... to a DISNEY film.
Yeah, that’s a big problem though. As it’s own thing it would’ve been just fine, but as the celebration film you’d expect Disney to put their best work into this. It’s the same reason people got annoyed that Wish wasn’t traditionally animated, since that used to be Disney’s bread and butter.
Fr tho, the movie had an almost infinite amount of potential from the premise but it seriously fell off. Would be really interested to hear what the development and story team has to say about it, it feels like a really creative idea that was put down by corporate control
It's honestly the stakes for me. It doesn't feel that bad that people gave up their wishes. As you say, the consequences for losing their wish feels TOO subtle. And the fact that we don't know why he kept them in the first place- where we're all just GUESSING why he does it, is already it's own issue.
Yeahhh Even if giving him a wish were mandatory to live there, well, thats your tax and its a cheap tax. Their lack of MATURING could have been treated as an actual plot point...but like every other plot point, the movie failed to commit.
He was definitely given the short end of the stick, but- I do like the idea of having a character that exhibits fake generosity (not sure if there's an actual term for this). - Willing to help others, as long as the giver is not inconvenienced by it - Their generosity is more for clout/ego/status than a genuine want to help people This could have been an interesting concept to build on. Keeping up appearances while being a narcissistic ass behind closed doors does feel familiar. I'm bothered by the fact that his backstory really never comes back up. And that his wife abandoned him so quickly at the end. That was weird.
Does it really matter if generosity is fake? Do the hungry people care if the only reason they were given food is for clout, as long as the food is genuine? And shouldn't we as a society uplift those demonstrating generous behaviors (regardless of motivation), such that more will be motivated to be generous in the future? It's not like rich people owe people simply because they have the resources, so it seems like any significant act of generosity should be recognized.
The closest term I can think of is ‘secretly selfish’. Where a character does something nice but it’s for their benefit rather than others. An example is healing someone because you expect them to fall in love with you as a reward.
Magnifico's keeping all the wishes could have been explored as a guardian keeping the city together because the people's greed is beyond control. Like imagine if half of those wishes were: I wish I knew magic like Magnifico. Or. I wish I owned that awesome castle like Magnifico. Basically granting them would be like pouring gas over a lit match.
That's pretty much the exact reasoning he gives. He grants the wishes he knows are good for the kingdom, and keeps the wishes that are too vague or could be dangerous. The memories are taken so that the people who-willingly-gave them to him aren't worried about them. Out of everyone, only one person is shown to actively be down about losing his wish, but everyone else in the kingdom is happy, singing and all that. Even Asha's grandpa seems to be upset when Asha tries to return the wish. But I've only seen clips of the scenes, and not the whole movie.
The movie should have been about magnifico, literally his backstory is more interesting than whatever asha is trying to offer Also it would have been the first Disney Prince movie in more that 20 years, since i think the last one was The emperor's new groove
As a person with (C-)PTSD, I find the movie, whilst it would have been a way more mature movie, would have been so much more amazing from his perspective. Just imagine being a poor young orphan struggling with PTSD, feeling alone and helpless after your family was murdered and you were the sole survivor and you went on to learn magic so you can create a perfect safe space for yourself and the one cost for people living there being they give up something people generally won't miss because they won't remember it. And it's not like people are forced to remain living there, if they want to keep their wish before becoming 18, they could just run away to a kingdom that allows it but has taxes. The real world. That's your sole condition. But one girl decides people deserve even more privilige then what you already give them, in a non-discriminatory, tax-less, crimeless utopia. She wrecks the safety of your entire kingdom and ruins the perfect grip of control you worked so hard on the build and achieve for yourself and others, all the whilst your wife is unsupportive as she sympathizes with the people rather then you, her husband, who is spiralling out of control from primal fear which leads you to becoming the absolute worst version of yourself. As for 'This Is The Thanks I Get', I actually like to point to a song that's often dropped in comparison, 'How Bad Can I Be' from the Lorax. 'This Is The Thanks I Get', from the aforementioned perspective, could totally be remade into a rock opera like 'Biggering', the original song. Have him slowly descend into madness during the song, no lyrics written by pop artists, it could be glorious. Now that's a movie I would see in the cinema, unlike Wish which has failure literally written over its synopsis and soundtrack as she literally has no desire or wish of her own moving her forward which is bad storytelling as that's literally the thing that's supposed to drive the story here. (I studied children's literature)
Actually, the king doesn’t require you to give up your wish. He specifically says everyone willingly gives up their wishes. And yeah, its not like he’s trapping them from leaving or a condition of living in his kingdom is you cannot leave Rosas. Asha is so selfish and entitled in this movie, and doesn’t even care about Magnifico’s struggles as a king or the trauma he went through as a boy.
The movie would have been better if they sticked with the original idea of Magnifico and Amaya being an evil power couple, it´d have at least been something new for a disney movie. And if Asha was their daughter, the future heir of the throne, it would fix so many problems in this story because 1) It would make it make more sense why she gets to hear the truth about the wishes 2) She now has a personal connection and stakes in the story which can lead to an interesting character arc when she confronts her family in order to protect her people 3) We would get rid of some of the useless side characters, Asha´s mother and grandfather were basically non-characters imo.
The movie would have been better if Magnifico would have just tell Asha about his childhood towards the end of the film, why a lot of wishes should not be granted! Then none of this mess of him using the book for evil would never happened.
I personally would keep the grandpa, but instead he'll be the kind old man everyone in the city adore. He'll be Asha's drive to bring wishes back to the people, and he'll be the one who tell her the tales about the wishing stars.
@@tamerawatkins510 Yes, it´d have been actually cool to see them both learning from each other! Not every single movie needs this "final battle against the evil where the good guys win" scene, but I don´t think Disney wanted to break from their generic formula for storytelling...
@@greenstarlover1 That´s a nice idea! Maybe he could´ve been a philosopher, instead of Asha´s dead dad, and he could´ve been someone she goes to look for help and wisdom when she finds out the truth about the wishes...
Poor Magnifico, he could have been a really good redemption villain but nah, let's make him be possessed by an evil book and then get trapped in a mirror for eternity, and not have ONE person in the Kingdom even his own WIFE say "hey, our King was clearly possessed by dark magic, lets try to find a way to undo that, especially since we have an actual star with us"
…………………How…… How did I not realize that until now?! In the movie they used the “bond with the evil book cannot be broken” excuse, but if ANY wish can and should be granted, EVEN THE IMPOSSIBLE ONES, then why the heck didn’t anyone just wish for Magnifico to be cleansed of darkness?
I am going to try and go through all the nonsense of this film, and show why the King is a Tragic Hero, Asha a mere *fool,* and the queen a monstrous hypocrite. I. In the opening sequence, when Asha tells the story of the Kingdom (which will prove that she already knows that not all wishes are granted *before* her interview with the King), she says: '[The King] studied the magic of the world tirelessly and became a mighty sorcerer able to protect from harm or ill will, any wish given to him. And for the good and the worthy, even grant that wish.' The latter sentence implies that even though he accepts any one to live in his orderly Kingdom, he is the one who decides who is good and worthy. The former sentence proves that the only thing he promises to his people is to keep their wishes safe. II. Asha is the immature and impulsive protagonist of the story. She wants to become King Magnifico's apprentice ONLY to ask him to grant her grandfather's wish. Before her interview with Magnifico, Gabo implies that she only wants to be the King's apprentice because apprentices and their families more often than not have their wishes granted sooner than other people; Asha does not rebuke him (cheers to our dishonest 'heroine'!). The stupid thing is, it is later stated that only the King is allowed to use magic in his Kingdom; for what does he need an apprentice, then? ('How do you enjoy your script, sir?' 'Half-baked, please.') III. When she is cringely shocked by the King because he does not grant all wishes (which she already knew), she stupidly says, in order to move the plot forward even though it should have been expanded upon, that the people of Rosas are good, as if the audience should accept that unconvincing statement without proof from a dishonest and hypocritical seventeen year-old girl, who is going to also become a thief later on haha The people gave their wishes to the King willingly Asha, taking them away from him without his consent *is* stealing! My apologies, I digress, I know, it is not her fault if she is a plot device personified: it is that of the incompetent screenwriters. IV. The King is more heroic than Asha and he has such an unfair fate in the end. He starts using 'forbidden magic' (what an inspired plot device!) in order to protect his Kingdom and he cannot be saved from this dark magic because... the 'evil' book says so! Lazy writing! The worst part is, when he ends up being trapped in the mirror, he seems to be his normal self again, and the queen (his wife!) does not care at all! Let us punish the man who wants to protect the Kingdom he worked hard to build because he *wished* to keep people safe! They introduce us to the idea that all living things are connected to one another, and they do not redeem the King? It was the perfect opportunity, Disney! V. The queen is the real villain of the story, she switches sides instead of trying to save her husband and feels no compassion towards him. She clearly knew how her husband ran his Kingdom and did not mind one bit until Asha started being a threat to Magnifico. She is nothing but a hypocritical opportunist. She turned on him the second he made a bad choice. She is the most pathetic character ever written in a Disney film. VI. The people of Magnifico are so 'empty' without their wishes that they live happily without them--except for Simon who is sooo tired because he gave it away. If they can live happily without their desires, it is all that matters. From the King's perspective (and I mostly agree with him) wishes are burdens. When they give their wish *willingly* to Magnifico, they feel exhausted at first because of the burden that has been lifted off their shoulders, but once they get used to being free of it, they can be truly happy, whether the King grants them their heart's desire or not. He gives them the ability to let go, which most people are not willing to do, as if true happiness could exist while holding on to things like an old miser hoards his money because he unknowingly lives in fear of poverty and cannot/will not loosen his grip on that fear, and therefore contributes to his own unhappiness. Magnifico gives his people true freedom *for free* and they still find cause to complain? VII. When the star-full but heartless people of Rosas sing together, it unites their souls together, and allows them to defeat Magnifico. But most of them have given their wish to him, have they not? What do I mean by that? If wishes were that important, the persons who had given them away would never have been powerful enough to defeat the King. Which means that they already have all they need inside of them: wishes are a plus, not a necessity to happiness or strength. VIII. In the end, Star who does not grant wishes, but can only make non-human living things talk (silly plot device again, I have lost count), gives Asha a wand, to use magic, which unlike the King, is given to her, whereas Magnifico worked hard to achieve that in order to protect people. But now, the simple-minded girl with no heart and not wits, who ruined the life of a *good* man and kept prattling on about the fact that people had to make their dreams come true by themselves, will become a fairy godmother who grants wishes! May the gods help whoever crosses her path. The last thing I would like to point out is that people's wishes change over the course of their lives, this is why a wish or a desire cannot define some one, because if it it did and was truly a part of one's soul, it would be immutable. Wishes are a plus, not who a person truly is. To conclude, the story has not been thought through, Disney has no respect for their audience. The dialogues are plot-driven, almost none of them allows the characters to be developed in a satisfying manner. But of one thing, I am sure: The queen is an awful character; she deserves the same sympathy she showed the King when he most needed her. The King is not a villain, Asha is not a hero. Magnifico is a Tragic Hero, Asha is nothing but ashen stardust.
Wow great analysis , it looks like you put a lot of efforts in it . and I d just like to add that there's a huge difference between a wish and a dream that the film fail to notice , a dream is the motivation of people while a wish is a way to make it easier to come true , example my dream is to become a famous explorer so I wish I had enough money to fulfill it , plus like you said peaple change and have multiple wishes even dreams around the years and some of them we have to let go eventually , so giving up just one wish to live in a happy kingdom is barely an inconvenience , so the main drive of the plot is just stupid .
I do have one answer. Magnifico is looking for someone to leave his kingdom to, that's why he's looking for an apprentice. His wish was to have the best apprentice a sorcerer could to replace him.
This was my view on Magnifico. He has PTSD because he saw his home destroyed and family killed when he was a kid. He learns magic, builds a safe and welcoming kingdom, and grants wishes. Its not a law to give your wish ppl choose to give it to him. He has paranoia so he overthinks which wishes to grant. Does he become narcissistic, yes. Does he become arragont, yes. He loves the attention and that ppl depend on him but I don't classify that as evil. The only "evil" thing was hoarding the wishes to keep everyone in control (paranoia is controlling him). But he didn't even know his ppl felt empty and he didn't know he could get powerful by consuming them. He became evil when he used book. My ideas are 1. Make him a tyrant from start. Him using wishes for power and lying to the ppl that he is protecting the wishes. 2. Amaya and Magnifico an evil couple. 3. Redemption arc (Asha saves him from dark magic and they learn from each other. She becomes his apprentice) 4. Asha is already his apprentice but thinks all wishes should be granted and learns that is not the case. Makes more sense with their ad "Be careful what you wish for" 5. Magnifico and Asha fight against a powerful villain that wants to take over Rosas. My goodness I have so many other ideas 😂
As someone who hasn't seen the film and is only trying to build it up by all this rants, I honestly can't Believe what y'all are saying. Like, how could Disney mess this so interesting concept so badly? The premise that magnifico is someone who just wants to protect his people is so full of potential. Even I have some ideas! We could: -Make him kind of trigger happy with the wish taking, but at the end knows to control himself and takes less wishes. -Make the people lose a bit of their soul after losing their dream, that evolve into aggresive and empty husks that end up causing the revolution Magnifico was trying to stop. Or bring the kingdom to a depression the protagonist tries to show to the king, who is too stubborn and prideful but ends up realizing it and making things better. -Make the princess actually the villain and make it something like death Note, in the sense that we watch the story unfold from the villain's side (this one is just unrealistic, but dreaming is free, specialy if the king doesn't take it). - Making the king a secret leech that is feeding on others dreams and will use them for a mind control spell. -Do like with the sketches and make BOTH MONARCHS EVIL. -Turn the book into a character and make it interact and corrupt magnifico not just with magic but also with words (and then we can have both sympathetic and irredimable villains). And this is just the tip of the dang iceberg, just to show the world of ideas gives me the premise of a movie I HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED, and compare them to what they gave us. Sorry for the massive comment, and thanks for reading.
Some context (and personal opinions). Spoiler alert! 1. Magnifico isn't really crazy about granting wishes, as he's kinda annoyed throughout the film that everyone's first priority is getting their wishes granted. It kinda validates his traumatic POV of people being naturally selfish. 2. This concept was kinda explored, but poorly; it's implied that without your wish, you become a husk of your former self, as Simon's friends now see him as boring and Sabino is somewhat depressed, but not everyone in the kingdom is like this after giving up their wish, so it's kinda inconsistent on how that works. 3. You mentioned "princess." Do you mean Amaya (the queen) or Asha (who IS NOT a princess)? 4. The trailers/tv spots were kinda misleading. Magnifico never knew you could get power from the dreams until he got angry enough to break one. It's a really weird heel-turn from the guy who just kept them locked away to prevent them from being used dangerously. Plus Magnifico is shown to have several powers (shapeshifting, magic mirror, memory manipulation), so Asha won via plot armor. Very frustrating, but the reprise of "This Wish" was great. 5. Everyone wants the villain couple, but assuming their origin story is the same, it's kinda messed up: they worked hard to build a kingdom and the people only rise up when Magnifico doesn't grant their wishes? 6. We have several Evil Queen moments for Magnifico, so the aforementioned magic mirror corrupting him would've been cool. Many people wanted an irredeemable villain, and I felt like Disney copped out by making Magnifico one simply because he embraced forbidden magic around the middle of the movie. It's not even explained HOW they have that book, nor why Amaya said how dangerous it was but never read it. And I just realized something wild; they gave Magnifico Alma's backstory from "Encanto."
@@OpticalSorcerer thanks for answering. I have some incises on your incises. 1: I kinda like this more than the first example, but it was just a "how it could have gone if I changed the plot" 2: ok, but I mean really empty, or salvage. We could use the concept that everyone is obsessed with getting the wish granted to ignore those who have fallen, or turn them into less sensitive people that end up going nuts and activate the French Revolution mode. 3: I meant the protagonist, because even though she is not a princess, I couldn't fathom to remember her name. And besides, she technically is a Disney Princess, just not a real princess. Like Mulan. 4: again, this is more of a "what if". How Magnificent would be evil, If he was evil from the start. 5: or we could use that backstory to make it more interesting. Think about this concept. They create the kingdom and learn magic to protect themselves and are planning to use their magic towards mind controlling the population once they get a certain number of citizens (or wishes if you want to make him actually feed of them) and having their kingdom of slaves protecting them.
@@pabloherranz1795 I maintain the belief that this film could've been salvaged by being a parody like "Enchanted" or having a more epic renaissance-era story with cutting, modern humor like "The Emperor's New Groove" (Magnifico being a male Yzma would be amazing; she is my favorite Disney villain). I agree about the part of wishes robbing someone of their essence, though I like the idea that it's a mixed bag; some people may want nothing to do with the interests related to their wish now, and some people may flourish in another field. I feel like a lot of people in Rosas have become codependent to the point where they don't bother trying to achieve their dreams. For example, if you like art, you could wish to be a great artist, even if you've never practiced the skill in your life. I know Asha isn't a literal princess, but I was confused given the context. And I hope Disney changes their mind about adding her to the lineup; her character is bland and her movie is a box office bomb (at least in the USA), so I don't feel like she adds anything. It's like how Elsa and Anna weren't added to the lineup because their movie was too sucessful--this is just the opposite.
@@OpticalSorcerer I'm thinking of the wishes more like a soul fragment. The thing that drives you forward, a more philosophical stance. Maybe the wish could have been not the thing that you want, but the one you need. I know this ain't the movie stance, but I like my ideas better. Yes, for what I've seen Asha is damn boring. You can tell that by the fact that I didn't even bother to check her name in the original comment and only used it once you said it. And about the emperor's new groove type of comedy, YES. And making magnifico a new Izma comes with a certain implication: remix of snuff out the light? YES PLEASE.
I feel like it would wildly interesting if he destroyed some wishes to gain the power needed to fulfil other wishes. I assume would make things a lot harder for Asha.
He created a kingdom where everybody is happy and he's a villain because he cannot grant everyone's wishes? He's also hot. Asha or whatever haven't done a single useful thing yet she is supposed to be the heroe?
The King promised to keep the wishes of his people safe, not to grant them all. As Asha states in the opening sequence: '[The King] studied the magic of the world tirelessly and became a mighty sorcerer able to protect from harm or ill will, any wish given to him. And for the good and the worthy, even grant that wish.' Besides, the fact that he only grants the wishes that are good for Rosas does not make him a villain, it is common sense. A king has to think about the majority and the peace of his kingdom before the *individual* needs of the people living in it.
@@ethancox9737 You amuse me. I am going to try and go through all the nonsense of this film, and show why the King is a Tragic Hero, Asha a mere *fool,* and the queen a monstrous hypocrite. I. In the opening sequence, when Asha tells the story of the Kingdom (which will prove that she already knows that not all wishes are granted *before* her interview with the King), she says: '[The King] studied the magic of the world tirelessly and became a mighty sorcerer able to protect from harm or ill will, any wish given to him. And for the good and the worthy, even grant that wish.' The latter sentence implies that even though he accepts any one to live in his orderly Kingdom, he is the one who decides who is good and worthy. The former sentence proves that the only thing he promises to his people is to keep their wishes safe. II. Asha is the immature and impulsive protagonist of the story. She wants to become King Magnifico's apprentice ONLY to ask him to grant her grandfather's wish. Before her interview with Magnifico, Gabo implies that she only wants to be the King's apprentice because apprentices and their families more often than not have their wishes granted sooner than other people; Asha does not rebuke him (cheers to our dishonest 'heroine'!). The stupid thing is, it is later stated that only the King is allowed to use magic in his Kingdom; for what does he need an apprentice, then? ('How do you enjoy your script, sir?' 'Half-baked, please.') III. When she is cringely shocked by the King because he does not grant all wishes (which she already knew), she stupidly says, in order to move the plot forward even though it should have been expanded upon, that the people of Rosas are good, as if the audience should accept that unconvincing statement without proof from a dishonest and hypocritical seventeen year-old girl, who is going to also become a thief later on haha The people gave their wishes to the King willingly Asha, taking them away from him without his consent *is* stealing! My apologies, I digress, I know, it is not her fault if she is a plot device personified: it is that of the incompetent screenwriters. IV. The King is more heroic than Asha and he has such an unfair fate in the end. He starts using 'forbidden magic' (what an inspired plot device!) in order to protect his Kingdom and he cannot be saved from this dark magic because... the 'evil' book says so! Lazy writing! The worst part is, when he ends up being trapped in the mirror, he seems to be his normal self again, and the queen (his wife!) does not care at all! Let us punish the man who wants to protect the Kingdom he worked hard to build because he *wished* to keep people safe! They introduce us to the idea that all living things are connected to one another, and they do not redeem the King? It was the perfect opportunity, Disney! V. The queen is the real villain of the story, she switches sides instead of trying to save her husband and feels no compassion towards him. She clearly knew how her husband ran his Kingdom and did not mind one bit until Asha started being a threat to Magnifico. She is nothing but a hypocritical opportunist. She turned on him the second he made a bad choice. She is the most pathetic character ever written in a Disney film. VI. The people of Magnifico are so 'empty' without their wishes that they live happily without them--except for Simon who is sooo tired because he gave it away. If they can live happily without their desires, it is all that matters. From the King's perspective (and I mostly agree with him) wishes are burdens. When they give their wish *willingly* to Magnifico, they feel exhausted at first because of the burden that has been lifted off their shoulders, but once they get used to being free of it, they can be truly happy, whether the King grants them their heart's desire or not. He gives them the ability to let go, which most people are not willing to do, as if true happiness could exist while holding on to things like an old miser hoards his money because he unknowingly lives in fear of poverty and cannot/will not loosen his grip on that fear, and therefore contributes to his own unhappiness. Magnifico gives his people true freedom *for free* and they still find cause to complain? VII. When the star-full but heartless people of Rosas sing together, it unites their souls together, and allows them to defeat Magnifico. But most of them have given their wish to him, have they not? What do I mean by that? If wishes were that important, the persons who had given them away would never have been powerful enough to defeat the King. Which means that they already have all they need inside of them: wishes are a plus, not a necessity to happiness or strength. VIII. In the end, Star who does not grant wishes, but can only make non-human living things talk (silly plot device again, I have lost count), gives Asha a wand, to use magic, which unlike the King, is given to her, whereas Magnifico worked hard to achieve that in order to protect people. But now, the simple-minded girl with no heart and not wits, who ruined the life of a *good* man and kept prattling on about the fact that people had to make their dreams come true by themselves, will become a fairy godmother who grants wishes! May the gods help whoever crosses her path. The last thing I would like to point out is that people's wishes change over the course of their lives, this is why a wish or a desire cannot define some one, because if it it did and was truly a part of one's soul, it would be immutable. Wishes are a plus, not who a person truly is. To conclude, the story has not been thought through, Disney has no respect for their audience. The dialogues are plot-driven, almost none of them allows the characters to be developed in a satisfying manner. But of one thing, I am sure: The queen is an awful character; she deserves the same sympathy she showed the King when he most needed her. The King is not a villain, Asha is not a hero. Magnifico is a Tragic Hero, Asha is nothing but ashen stardust.
I really liked Magnifico as a villain, but not as a good guy. He had a bit of a two-faced vibe at the start that I think could have really worked if they rolled with it. But no he was a genuinely nice guy that got into a disagreement with a crowd then touched the evil book.
Well, he was a little self-centered, but he also had good qualities...his genuine interest in Asha's life, his revelation of his history and his hope that no one should ever have to suffer like that again, his seemingly genuine love for Amaya. And then they just take that left turn.
I think the wishes should’ve had an actual consequence. Like he had the orphan backstory, but in order to actually use the magic he needed to consume maybe 100 wishes combined to make just one happen. It could’ve started early by him conning people into getting them, and he couldn’t stop. It would explain why he keeps them so secret. If they wanted to make him redeemable, a better twist would be if it was actually from the dark book, and he needed to keep doing it until Asha and the Star prove to be strong enough to break him free of it and make him see that he doesn’t need to use it to make the kingdom happy. I think another thing that could’ve used your idea of “maybe it should’ve ended without any magic at all” was Encanto to me. I would’ve loved if it ended just on her finishing the door instead of restoring magic to everyone after they learned to work together.
This could work much better as a story from Magnifico's point of view. He's a tragic hero corrupted by dark magic while trying to save his kingdom, forever trapped in a mirror, while a young woman runs the kingdom he built into the ground as she has no idea how to handle granting wishes. Eventually, she turns to him in the mirror for help, setting him up at the magic mirror. Asha starts to lose it from the pressure, turning evil herself and leaving the kingdom to marry into another one, taking the mirror with her-surprise prequel. The seven dwarves are the descendants of her friends, living in the woods after the kingdom fell to ruin. I know it's a bit fanfictiony, but it's better than what it was. I'd love to see that movie. And regarding "This is the Thanks I Get," I know it's supposed to be his villain song, but it plays out more like a frustrated and egocentric hero who's done nothing but give to his community and is taken advantage of. People only respect his ability to grant their wishes, not him as a person. It feels much more like a tragic hero pushed to dark magic than a villain. But this does remind me of a light novel series I read. In it, a goddess wanted to give humanity a paradise, so she did. She created a world without illness, hunger, poverty, or dangers. But no matter what she gave humanity, they wanted more. She realized that without strife, humanity can't recognize paradise. They need to struggle to be happy. So she came up with a cycle: humanity is threatened, a hero rises up, and it repeats. They enjoy peace until it's threatened again. Humanity eventually rises up against her, wanting free will. The protagonist recognizes the goddess's genuine intent to help but acknowledges her mistake due to lack of guidance. They could have done something similar here, where Magnifico goes down the wrong path to protect the kingdom, misunderstood by most citizens. Asha researches and realizes his intentions, using her power to heal him and joining forces to create a more compassionate rule..
Magnifico legit lets the people kmow there memories of that Wish has to be removed to in order for there Wish to be granted. People came there willingly to still get it done. If people were willing to go through that process. He is not stealing there wishes.
I have been avoiding Disney's newer films almost religiously, my sister is always willing to give them a chance I'm not, but I was really hoping even with all the... 'red flags' for lack of a better term, I've been seeing, that this one could be redeemable. Yet I'm understanding that Disney released a half-assed movie with so much potential but not a lot of actual good story. As soon as this video mentioned Magnifico's backstory and what he'd done, I thought that he wasn't really a villain just a paranoid king that wants what's best for his people. I'm reading comments as well, and they have so many wonderful add ons as well. This video is well made and a fruitful study on a character with squandered potential. I'm disappointed in Disney at this point. I'll just stick with the older movies and series.
It feels like this villain was written by a teenage girl that was mad her dad wouldn't let her go to a party in skimpy, revealing clothes and stay out until 1 am. All the motivations are perfectly reasonable, and so are the methods. It's just unfair to those who are still childishly-minded.
What Magnifico really is is a vision of Corporate Disney. His message is exactly that of the corporation. ‘Give me your wish and…maybe…I’ll make it come true. I’m more likely to butcher it,twist it,or bury it. I’m certain to monetize it, but hey, it’s like the lottery-ya pays yer money and takes your chances. Ya gotta play to win.’ And suddenly I am wondering if that wasn’t what the writers and filmmakers were going for. What better way to celebrate Disney’s 100th anniversary than to portray the corporatism that has devoured it. How much cooler would it be if they actually did it without meaning to.
it's like, had they committed to the "redeemable" angle and had him be straight up redeemed at the end or at least imply that that will happen, it would have felt similar to a lot of their recent movies but i don't think it would have been bad. had they committed to the "evil" angle (and especially if they'd gone w/ the evil king AND queen power couple from earlier in development) i think it could have been a really great return to form to have a fun straight up villain, and added well to the "love letter to disney's past" that wish was supposed to be. but trying to combine both of them into one character just made it messy and disjointed. sad :-(
I think Asha should be more of the main villain of the story or the cause of the problems. What if they make Asha's grandfather the founder of a music college which Magnifico started by having him become the royal bard apprentice. Then Asha breaking into the castle is the catalyst for the main conflict of the movie.
The 1992 Aladdin, through the Genie, we were warned against wishing for more wishes as well as limitations on wishes. The movie WISH wants to remove limitations on wishes, ignoring the dangers of becoming too lazy and dependent on wish power.
No, Genie said he isn’t able to grant the wish for more wishes. Aladdin simply tricked him into giving him a fourth wish, which Genie wasn’t too happy about. The main moral in Aladdin was “magic can’t solve everything” and being careful what you wish for. Aladdin literally makes a bigger mess by trying to be someone he’s not just to win Jasmine’s heart, which is a big reason to why I don’t particularly like their relationship. I seriously don’t get why everyone’s okay with the fact Aladdin lies the entire movie just because he’s got a crush on Jasmine. It’s like saying his actions don’t have consequences
I don't remember if they ever explain why a supposedly benevolent king has an "evil magic book" so readily on hand that he knows will irreversibly corrupt the user. You'd think a truly good king would want it destroyed, so it can't tempt anyone in the future. Instead he keeps it in a "break glass in case of emergency" thing right in his own office, where it could constantly remind him of its existence. If it was indestructible or something shouldn't he at least have tried to lock it far away in a dungeon or bury it? It suggests that Magnifico liked having such power close by him, tempting him, just in case. Adds to the paranoia interpretation. Or at the very least suggesting that he was always in a state of CONSIDERING using it. Not the sign of asomeone, who was good from the beginning.
If it is indestructible, and as the movie seems to imply, has an evil consciousness, it is better for the nearly all powerful good mage to have it where he can keep a constant eye on it.
@@Cardinal_claw Exactly, it (at worst) shows that this man who came with nothing but gained skill to a deserted land and created a thriving kingdom had a tiny bit of understandable arrogance, and thought he could resist the entity in the book. It also shows that the people of that land were greedy and treacherous, including his wife, due to how easily they turned on him.
Dunno, coming from his backstory where as a child he saw everything he cared getting destroyed, that might have been a huge trauma that devoured him from the inside. To the point he grew more paranoid about every other possible menace that could destroy the paradise he created. The book being SO EVILISH is bullshit, but the idea of him having a hard measure in case of something devastating for the country sounds more like "good intentions are what makes the highway to hell" rather than him being a bad person all along.
Everyone's saying King Magnifico is a twist hero. I agree. And frankly I'm tired of Disney's usual "goofy perfect princess defeats bad person", they had an opportunity to make him the hero and the suppsed hero actually the villain along with the town. She could be the bad person for freeing all wishes, he's the hero for fixing her mess. I'd have paid for that, not this.
This is the thanks I get doesn’t make any sense given what happened in the last scene. Right before the song was magnifico talking to the townspeople about the Star coming down, and they were bugging him about their wishes, and he gets frustrated with them. Then the next scene is a song where half the lyrics are about how vain he is, when nothing before this hinted at him being vain in any way
i love how the people of the kingdom have one wish and only one wish that defines them as humans , i swear everyone have like 100 wishes before they even turn 10 , not all of our wishes comes true but we don't really just spiral into emptiness , it just makes them all inhuman
I don't think they only have one wish, I think he only takes one wish to grant. Naturally, people probably wish for the thing they want most and have the least chance of actually getting, but one guy just wished to have hair, and I gotta think there was more to that person.
My personal opinion is that he isn't evil at all; he just has an unsatisfying mindset for some. Everyone was happy, so how is what he is doing bad ? Taking away wishes didn't make the people less happy. He gave the people almost everything they needed to live a good life. The MC just wanted too much
I saw someone mention how he could very easily be compared to God (someone who has the power to grant all the wishes but won't for assorted reasons), and considering how the majority of the Internet sees religion as evil I can definitely see it.
Fourth reason why he was collecting wishes, which I've noticed many people miss entirely, is that he states that there is a feeling that comes with them. That feeling, which I believe is hope, is addictive but being around them so long, he doesn't get as much of a high off them anymore and thus has to keep collecting them to maintain his high. They are a drug to him.
He was the best part of the movie in the second half. My main issue with him his they give him a symphatetic backstory. I wanted him to be just a selfish vain and just love being evil like the good old days. Maleficent The Evil Queen Proffessor Ratingan 😍 Heck maybe he keep people wishes just because they make him powerful. And yeah even my twin brother told me after the movie ended that it would have been better if Magnifico was evil since childhood and that that was his secret. After all he keep something hiding on his painting/tapesty i forgot what it was.
The true moral is the movie that it doesn't matter if you work your guts out to make everyone's life better, there's always be an obnoxious person who manages to turn people against you and indirectly responsible driving you into a villain.
they didn't make him evil-not really. they made him relatable/understandable, whilst making the main character look like a gullible idiot who doesn't think things through.
I can see the characterization for the king similar to someone who wants to make a backed chicken with garlic and herbs, but they set the temperature wrong and instead of cooking the herbs with the chicken, they add them to the dish after it's been under-cooked in the oven. They sabotaged their own villain.
There's this really scary trend in movies where "Well functioning and happy society exists... main character finds a problem with it, makes everyone around them see it as a problem too, then turn well functioning and happy society upside down to better suit their needs." Its like a self report from psychotic wouldbe revolutionaries in the writing room lol
In this case I think the movie could have benefited from the rule of cool… for instance what if Magnifico’s tragic backstory was that he made a vague wish that got his family killed and then he tried to reverse it by killing the wishing star. This destroyed the kingdom. He got wish granting powers at the cost of being able to wish himself and a corruption started spreading from the dead wish star. He can only work at suppressing the corruption by granting other peoples wishes but he is also paranoid about doing more harm. He has been walking that tightrope of needing but fearing the wishes and he eventually cracks under the pressure and gets completely corrupted. Then we could have had the wishing stars be a meteor celestial army fighting the corrupted king. You could even keep the singing to call down the meteor strike.
It’s RARE that a protagonist can start out just as morally gray as the antagonist. I just HATE it when evil d**k riders, who you can’t convince me otherwise that they just secretly want to be assholes irl, use that to justify the actions of the antagonist. And thus making it seem as tho the bad person is entirely in the moral right and that trying to be a good person shouldn’t be a favorable option to anyone.
I think people like that are kind of reflexively reacting. If a movie has two morally grey characters but treats one as the unambiguous good guy, some people are going to all in for the other guy out of an unconscious sense of fairness.
it's like i've been saying: i think there's a good, compelling narrative in here somewhere but the writers seem more content to go with some half-baked, black & white story instead
My perfect explanation for keeping the wishes is that Magnifico needs to gather then power of other wishes to grant one or more wishes. Soft of like a lottery. An explanation for his keeping them is that he is skimming the majority of the power for himself to keep him powerful and alive. But if Magnifico banned all magic users then what is Asha hired for? They said his apprentice, but that means learning magic to use with your master. Maybe they should have said Servant of assistant, apprentice is the farthest thing from what Magnifico's goals are.
I agree about King Magnifico I thought he was to cool to be the villain It's like a few disney movies from before they could have had him not as the villain only make it look like he's the villain they could have had it all to be a misunderstanding where Asha finds That he's keeping all the wishes for himself and not gonna grant them all like she did in the actual movie then when she steals the wishes she makes things worse and either king Magnico realizes he's wrong then both Magnifuco and Asha work together to get things resolved or she could have found out he was keeping them all for a reason and makes things worse buy steeling the Wishes but she and magnifico work together to make things right in the end that's what I thought was gonna happen and that's what could have happened in this movie but oh well it was a good movie the way it was no complaints I just saw it last weekend and I liked it An outstanding film as much as frozen was and it actually gave me ideas to some books I am writing.
I like how you used the Scarlet Witch since the way she is used in MoM is one of my least favorite things in fiction. Like, a person who was previously on the good side and with some mind control turned evil, is a decent enough plot point to use - if the characters care enough about the person. Like, if one of your old friends suddenly wants to harm you but once you find out, they are not themselves, the character agonizes about fighting back and possible hurting the person they like. And then you can either have the character manage to save the mind controled person or have them be forced to kill them against their wishes, making them feel despair. However, in MoM, you don't see that. No one cares that the person is mind controlled and tries to restore them, they just see them as a threat towards them. Which makes that a really bad case of a wasted character, especially if the person used to be one of the good guys beforehand.
I haven't seen the movie but from what I can gather, it's a strong independent woman of color that rescues everyone from an evil white man who built the cozy kingdom she lives in.
@@NoTheRobot Considering what a big fan she is of "Cinderella," I'm surprised Jennifer Lee didn't give the film a classic feel--but she didn't write it alone. There was another writer.
This movie reeks of corporate meddling, you can tell there are good ideas in there, but also that many of these ideas conflict (probably due to a huge amount of rewrites made by various teams) and then you have very forced ideas that really feel like you have executives that came into the room and demanded they adhere to these plot points being added to please the shareholders Honestly, I am still amazed at how often and prominent corporate meddling still happens in this type of movie, I would have though they would have realized by now that the more the corporate slide into the writing and the more likely the movie is to bomb ......... but I mean, that would require a level of foresight and self reflection that most of these people aren't capable of doing
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There is an idea that Magnífico isnt taking something per se, it's more the sense of deja vu thats left of something You should remember but can't: Like alzhaimers, it isnt particularly good, but considering the reasoning of magnífico and what he offers it's completly valid, more seeing how one man wanted to be a conquerot
Magnifico could've been SOO much interesting as a villain. But, they just had to make him throw a hissy fit for him to become a villain. Given that he had good points about wishes and Asha does not, it makes it hard for me to sympathize with her considering that Magnifico was villified for simply doing his job.
It would get good reviews if it deserved it. It’s painfully mid, which means that it’s not technically bad, but it’s not good either. It’s just forgettable.
@blueflare3848 well, I'd also add that it's not supposed to be a movie you look at and that's it, it supposedly is carrying the meaningful passion of what the company has been trying to bring into the world for the past 100 years. You can't look at is as a singular entity, and if you consider that it's literally all they came up with for the 100 year anniversary, it becomes a huge disappointment and quite pathetic, alongside forgettable.
@@deny2294 That’s a good point too. It’s a mid movie on its own, but the fact that it’s supposed to be the 100 year celebration of Disney just makes it even worse.
I definitely agree with you about Magnifico and you make a lot of valid points. But I do have a suggestion. You have a very thick accent that is very difficult to understand. Would you mind putting captions in this video? I had to watch it several times over to be able to understand the words you were speaking. Even then, there are still several sentences throughout that I still can't decipher from your thick accent. Other than that, this is quite an exceptional video from what I understood from it.
An Ideia I have that could maybe make the movie be better would be if Magnifico could make a fake copy the wishes to be more in his favor and grant thoose like its the original wishs that the person wanted, like the wish of the Grandfather was to Inspire people than it would be modify to Inspire people to like the king or something simular, and than the true wishs are in the tower
All great points. A lot of the movie is just redundant and honestly a little contradictory. Also, you should definitely make a video about Cinderella!!!
They had all the right tools and traits to have a great villain. Narcissistic? Check! Manipulative? Check! Sociopathic? Check! Charismatic? Check! Voiced by a phenomenal actor? Check! Obsessed with maintaining his power or status? Check! On top of all that; his people are devoted to him, his kingdom is safe and thriving, and his reasoning for why he can't grant everyone's wishes is sound and reasonable. But his drastic behavioral change to his full blown heel turn makes no sense. He should have been using and consuming everyone's wishes from the start but the side effect is he becomes more paranoid and more corrupt. You can justify it further by using the magic book as a further tool to explain his corruption and decent into madness.
My issue with Magnifico is they needed to pick a lane, either make him a sympathetic antagonist that learns a lesson like Alma from Encanto, or make him a classic Disney villain. They tried to make him both and they half assed both. This movie would have been way better if they just picked one or the other. Antagonist? Have the lesson being Asha learning that not all wishes because it actually can be detrimental while Magnifico learns that locking away the wishes is equally bad. Have the Star grant wishes willy nilly as various consequences of the wishes start piling up (like flying lady get the power to fly but can't control it) and have her and Magnifico stop star together with the solution involving returning the wishes to the people and encouraging them to work hard and compromise to achieve their dreams rather then relying on immediate gratification and being too literal. Villain? Actually make him secretly evil from the get go rather than using a "become evil instantly" copout book. Make the wishes a ponzy scheme where he grants some to keep people coming/staying and hordes the rest to power himself up. Have the reason he does this tie into his back story where he wants the power to seek revenge or to conquer other Kingoms to expand his Utopia, not realizing hes causing the same harm he was caused in the past.
I heard somewhere that Magnifico was based off Trump but aside from the ego I can't really see any similarities. I feel like Mag wouldn't dare say half of what orange man has said.
5:59 Ive only made it to this segment but the reason you forgot to mention, the reason that stuck out to me the most, is control. Holding the peoples wishes hostage makes it easier to control the people. They do whatever he says under the false hope that he will grant their wish. A person with a granted wish has less incentive to blindly obey or worship him. We see him control his people rhis way many times in the movie
He is a terrible written villain they needed better writers.Disney should have stayed with the “Ireedamble Villain or the reedamble one,” the pure evil one make him that he conquer Rosas and Manipulates everyone that he is the king and when Asha leave she starts telling people his true nature due to his paranoid and fear he becomes crazy and uses the magic book to try to stop Asha and Her friends.the reedamble thing is make himself flawed character that learned from his flaws and becomes a better person.
Hello Jesse Golo my name is Isaiah and I have something important to say to you. I have come to offer you something special and if you choose to accept it I guarantee will be the best thing to ever happen to you. I have come to offer you the love of God. God is wise,creative and is a good listener incase you want someone to talk to. An like any father he wants to help you and keep you safe especially from the devil. But I can not force you to believe the choice is ultimately yours have a happy holidays Shalom Shalom.
I haven't seen the movie but from what I can gather, it's a strong independent woman of color that rescues everyone from an evil white man who built the cozy kingdom she lives in.
You’re absolutely delusional if you think the races of the characters is the biggest problem with this movie. Every single character could’ve been White and the movie still would have been painfully mid. The writing just sucks. The movie is too safe and doesn’t allow itself to take risks, which in turn means there is nothing that makes this movie truly stand out.
@@blueflare3848 Never said it was the biggest problem, you're fighting a strawman. It just feels like they focused more on diversity than actually making something interesting.
Extra Notes:
Magnifico's villain song, 'This Is The Thanks I Get' seems to be meant to debunk the idea he wants to help anyone at all but following that line of logic he should have never let Asha see the wishes or even explain them to her.
Magnifico seems to have been a completely normal person who managed to learn magic. The movie never tells us why no one else does, so it kinda feels like he's tried harder to accomplish his goals. He went from a (presumably) poor orphan to magic king. Even Asha only lucked into getting Star.
When Asha first meets Star she recognizes that it doesn't like actively granting wishes with magic (even though it uses magic in everyother way to help her). I guess this ties into her learning not to rely on magic to grant wishes (until she becomes a fairy god mother) but they never tie this lesson into Magnifico's role and how he feels people are overly demanding (probably because he's supposed to be the bad guy about it).
Not to mention the fact that his subjects mainly seemed concerned with their wishes being granted. His villain song could've been a flashback to the trauma he got from losing his family to selfishness.
do they even tell at some point giving the wish is an obligation or a thing they chose to do, because as I remember it was just a thing people could just decide to do, that why he mentions multiple times people is the one that give him these wishes
@@KnucklesxReala911 It's a choice, and Magnifico mentions this himself. It's not an obligation, but since everyone has a wish, it's become a (frequent) tradition. TBH, given his past, I doubt Magnifico would frequently grant wishes on his own accord.
@@KnucklesxReala911 I mean, I assume they have to. The dialogue kind of implies it, but not very solidly. The wish granting is probably why so many people show up, so it may have never actually have been established as a rule. Then again, I think Asha is the first person who wouldn't do it willingly.
The movie really couldn’t commit to a single story route for Magnifico, and ended up with a weird, bland mess of story.
If they committed to the “redeemable villain” route, they could have had Asha and Magnifico each learn something from each other over the course of the movie. Asha could have learned “be careful what you wish for” or “some wishes are genuinely dangerous”. Magnifico could have learned something like “People need more than safety to thrive” or “My paranoia affects more than I realize.” But no, we have a plot with commitment issues.
I can't remember if they did this. I think him realizing he was wrong but the only way to fix the issues was him being gone would be good. Basically he realized he went too far and can't undo it.
Or the other option be like Zhao from avatar the last air bender, where his pride leads to his demise. While Asha, or his wife, STILL tries to be kind to him and want to help.
Or a villain with a valid point
It ain’t a corporate kids film without light hearted emotional themes
@@C-Farsene_5nothing of here is loghtheaeted; They Even treat the "how Someone with more power than You breaking your dreams can make You don't want to live"
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"At All Costs" was the PERFECT time to expand on Magnifico's past and Asha's past with her dad. What a missed opportunity.
I agree. Because when the king was singing his part of the song the movie should have showed us his past and with Asha they should showed us her past. This movie was good, but it could have been better. Plus, this is Disney's 100 year anniversary for Christ's sake! It should have with off with a bang!
@@tamerawatkins510 I'm disappointed they didn't make the film inspired by "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" or "The Fisherman and His Wife." The plot felt like it had a lot of missing pieces and escalated quickly.
The demo version of this song actually had the word love instead of promise in it, so it was kind of a love song, if you think about it.
@@SweetOrangeGirl Julia Michaels said she wanted something that could be played at a wedding and still be a villain/hero song. It would've been great for a movie with a hero/villain romance.
@@OpticalSorcerer I would personally play the demo version instead of the actual one.
One of the problems with Magnifico's character or rather regarding his character, is that they gave him a wife.
By giving him a wife they gave him someone whom he loved and who loved him back ( presumably), someone with whom he had shared intimate and wonderful times together ( presumably), someone who loved him with all their heart and he loved her in return ( presumably) and yet, when he was revealed as evil, when he sucumbed to an evil book, when he suffered a villains defeat, did Queen Amaya become heartwrecked? did she fall in tears? was her world shattered and looked at him longingly pleading for him to become the man she loved once again?....... no, it was barely acknowledged, and she even mocked him in the end.
This movie was attrociously written and, in my opinion, this is what took it from being a - just ok- film, to total garbage.
Solution - let her be in on it. Villain duo baby!
@@greenstarlover1I’m still disappointed we didn’t get our first villain couple. We could have had a Morticia-and-Gomez style couple who was genuinely evil and genuinely head-over-heels for each other at the same time.
@@corvidaegudmund1186 Like Scarlet Overkill and Herb from Minions.
@@JuniorGustabo beside - if maginfico is supposed to be the magic mirror, let amaya be the evil queen. If we're making that comparison already, then let's go all the way with it.
They unintentionally made Amaya into a power hungry villianess by having her suddenly turn traitor on Magnifico by joining the side of the rebellion and taking over as ruler of the island once he was captured, happily giving the order to have him hung in the dungeon - all because he threatened her while under the influence of the cursed book (which she never tells the people about? Pretty sure the people would be more forgiving of Magnifico's more abusive behavior is they knew he had been cursed rather than acting on his own accord).
The people of Rosas are also idiots for not even considering the fact that Amaya had been with Magnifico for so long and may have been aware of what he was doing with the wishes all this time...and said/did nothing about it...making her an accomplice to his supposed cruelty prior to being cursed. And yet they celebrate her now being in charge? Morons - the lot of them!
My reasons why he’s actually a DECENT king:
You see, he cares for the citizens. The whole reason he became evil was for the people of Rosa.
He was worried about the fact his people could be in danger. The only reason he opened the book was to help them, concluding in his motivations changing simply by my best summary: being possessed by the book.
As told, he doesn’t make them do much. They have no need for a job or anything like that.
He also, again, is kind to the ppl of Rosa.
When Asha begins to rant about her art, he kind of acts like a father and is kind to her interest.he also still gives them wishes. Why doesn’t he just keep them to himself forever as a rule?
He’s also willing to bend the rules.
When everybody was questioning him and asking for another ceremony, and he agreed to it, despite already having one this month.
Also he takes anger out on FAKE villagers.
Instead of using his power to abuse a person of Rosa, he uses it to create FAKE ppl to abuse. He cares for them enough to instead use his powers in a different way.
He also doesn’t seem to be doing anything to make them unhappy either. They’re all walking around singing and dancing happily.
I agree. It would have been a great twist if Asha was more of the villian.
These are really good points. Even if what he does is because he enjoys having control and making the citizens dependable on him, therefore, feeding into his ego, he is still just an asshole but not evil perse. He had successfully run a kingdom, people seemed happy to live there and liked him as a king.
@@SonneLittleWith all his power, I fail to see what the citizens could do to overthrow him were he to become a tyrant, which I'd personally argue mitigates the 'enjoys having control' aspect somewhat. Not entirely though.
Him taking out his anger in the fake villagers is foreshadowing
@@randomusernameCallinmy idea exactly
This could have been a good one for a twist villain where the girl ends up the villain and the king is the hero. Have the king seem selfish for not granting wishes, and have her grant all the wishes to have it result in chaos that almost destroys the kingdom. That would be a good twist, and the main character could learn a valuable lesson about magic and responsibilities.
This would have been a good callback to the Sorcerer's Apprentice (Fantasia) where Mickey got magic power and things went haywire.
A good lesson on how to use talent/skills responsibly
@@jc1979afand would've worked very well to celebrate Disney, because the wizard from that short was modelled after Walt Disney himself
That would have been perfect! The "When you wish upon a star" never just Gave people their wishes, they still had to work for it. Pinocchio, Ray the Firefly, Tiana, Cinderella; All of them worked for what they got. Cinderella saved her shoe and was kind to her friends the mice to earn their love and help, Pinocchio learned from his mistakes and went to save his father, Ray helped Tiana and Naveen while Tiana was learning to balance her hard work with love and helping both Naveen and her friend. They weren't just GIVEN their wishes!
Magnifico seems like he's sensible about it, giving tools to make wishes happen through the people working towards them rather than just making it happen (at first anyway) and keeping potentially dangerous/harmful wishes under wraps so that people can move on with their lives.
YOUR THE BEST.
And that's exactly what I think Disney was trying to convey
Magnífico isnt anoyed by the request of granting the wish of the elder: He is anoyed that Asha doesnt understand the dangers of the wish Even after he explains it with apples and oranges
The sad thing is the premise is golden. What if the wishes granted him eternal youth? The roses in the original Beauty and the Beast book represented a year of the Beast's life so when Belle's father picked one, the Beast was understandably angry because he lost one year of his life.
Or if he manipulated the people into thinking he was keeping bad people's wishes hostage that would work. He grants wishes but only one per 18 years. Or he secretly grants wishes for evil people to control the kingdom? Or he gaslights the people questioning why their wishes aren't being granted because they had "evil intentions". Publicly shaming them and making them question their morality? The people publicly give him the wishes so he could pretend that "Oh no, this wish can't be granted, it's so horrible"
I have been seeing many rewrites of this movie and man are they more interesting than the actual movie.
Let the guy be unapologetically a douchebag. It'll better fit into his transition into full on villainy.
I was really invested in his backstory, only for it to be 30 seconds long and quickly forgotten. The fact that they make him a full villain out of nowhere and make his dream-harnessing scheme unintentional makes me feel like he'd work better as a comedic villain like Yzma.
I do wanna state that Magnifico granting wishes every 18 years drastically changes the plot, since in the film he seems to just do it out of being pressured, and this means tourism won't be high unless it's a ceremony year. Plus it being once a year potentially introduces new potential antagonists who want their wishes granted, or simply want Magnifico's power--which in itself is poorly explained; if anyone can learn magic, why is he the only one who can? Plus he also dabbles in alchemy and has shepshifting, a magic mirror, and memory manipulation under his belt, so he should put the "I" in "Omnipotent." Asha definitely had plot armor on her side.
@@OpticalSorcererIt's wrong that part: It isnt that he grants a wish once every 18 years, the people wouldnt have questions why the wish of the 100 year old man wasnt granted, furthermore, every 1 months he grants wishes, he just takes the wishes of the people that wants voluntarily at their 18, it isnt Even forced for what they Say, it's just a ceremony
I was getting major cult vibes at the start of the movie from Rosas with how utopian everything was.
What if giving your wish away is akin to losing part of your soul?
And King Magnifico is keeping these wishes to fuel his own magic? It would make sense if magic comes from the stars and everyone is a star and stuff.
The only reason he grants a few wishes a year is because he’s got to keep up the illusion that he chooses to grant wishes, and that’s why people should give him their wishes. And since people usually like taking the easy way out…They give it to him no questions asked.
Ultimately, the moral of the story should be that you shouldn’t just sell your soul/wishes to anyone, but make it come true through your own efforts.
@@streakyanchovy they would need to change various parts of the story: for what we know, magnífico did his kingdom with his Magic and before anyone came to Rosas, he learned Magic earnestly to his late adulthood and was already as powerfull as he is. Furthermore, it's shown in the movie that it isnt in the momment he takes your wish that a part of your soul is destroyed, it's when the wish is absorbed by Magnífico, it is a very much lesser way of showing exactly the same leason as You are saying: giving your dreams to Someone powerfull would leave You with them broken and depressed
Ultimately I think Wish’s biggest problem is a lack of a reason to care
They don’t bother to get us invested in any of the side characters, which is REALLY BAD when your main character’s central trait is CARING ABOUT THE SIDE CHARACTERS.
We needed time to get invested in Asha’s grandfather, and mother, and her friends, and the kingdom of Rosas. We needed to like them and to understand the importance of wishes to them, and why Magnifico keeping them locked away is a BAD thing. We needed to get emotionally invested in these people and the central conflict of the film, and be able to say “Magnifico is evil because he is hurting these characters we care about”
And they just… didn’t do that.
Magnifico's storyline could've easily been the most compelling, given how bland Asha is characterized ("headstrong girl who "cares too much and learns nothing").
I liked The Teens but 7 characters is A LOT to have in one hour and a half movie, plus Asha, her family, and the royals. Not to mention that they aren't characterized much beyond their 7 dwarves traits. I'd have reduced her friends to Dahlia, Dario, and Simon. Despite my love for Gabo, Bazeema, and Safi, Gabo doesn't change his grumpiness throughout the film, nor does he have any major role. Plus Bazeema and Safi don't add anything; Bazeema did offer her hideout, but it's only used for the song and the queen finds it ASAP, so it's not much of a hideout. Safi is sweet, but his defining characterization is loving the hens. And Hal doesn't stand out at all to me.
Maybe you could merge some of the Teens: Bazeema with Dahlia, Gabo with Simon, and Safi with Dario.
@@OpticalSorcerer Eh, I don’t really mind Asha not having an arc or anything. A lot of the classic Disney princesses don’t. Belle didn’t really undergo a character arc. Mulan didn’t either unless you count her becoming better at being a soldier. Ariel didn’t. These princesses were unchanging, uncompromising in their values, beliefs and personalities, no matter the hardships they faced, and they changed the world and characters around them as a result.
And I think Asha absolutely could work the same way.
And yeah, seven characters are a lot, but I don’t think ALL OF THEM need to be like, as fleshed out and complex as Asha is. Take Encanto for example - the family Madrigal has 12 CHARACTERS. Not all of them are well developed, (I’d argue only five are) but even the ones that aren’t developed are memorable and likeable.
Also, I think there’s an easy way to flesh out these characters - what are their wishes? In the film it’s implied that only Simon has given up his wish, but what if it’s not just Simon? What if Gabo is grumpy because without his wish, he kinda doesn’t care about anything anymore? What if Bazeema is timid and shy because without her wish she no longer has the courage to step out of her comfort zone or stand up for herself?
These don’t have to be in-depth character studies, they can just be quick, memorable scenes. Show their wishes while Asha is searching for her grandfather’s wish.
Hell, that random couple who give their wishes away at the beginning SHOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE TEENS. Then we could have had an easy contrast between what a person is like BEFORE their wish was taken and what they are like AFTER their wish has been taken.
@@cartoonishidealism582 Hey, let's not underestimate the girls! Mulan learned self-confidence, achieving her dream of "doing something right" for her family, while Belle learned not to be fooled by appearences and fronts, as she said herself in something in the Beast that she hadn't seen when they first met (and admits it's kinda scary to fall for someone like him). Ariel wanted to explore a new world (many Disney princesses love to explore), and she never really intended to get anyone dragged into it. Pretty much every Disney princess learned a lesson or had some kind of growth (save Aurora due to her short amount of screentime), but concern over growth arcs are kind of a modern thing, since older stories focused more on the conflict rather than character psychology.
IMO, Asha's arc could've been about understanding why some wishes can never be granted; in the film, she says people with bad wishes can be stopped, but she never argues how this could be achieved, and Magnifico doing a heel-turn only validates her rather than giving her growth or change in perspective.
And I wasn't a huge fan of Encanto's large cast because I felt like Luisa, Isabela, and Dolores' arcs felt rushed since they were side characters among 12 family members. I feel like if Mirabel's sisters joined her quest, it'd give them more time for slower development and grow as sisters--plus Isabela's arc ties into Dolores', so she'll get more time to shine, too.
I wholeheartedly AGREE about giving the Teens wishes, though it is an age thing, with only Simon being 18. Not a huge issue to change their ages, though. But I hate the idea that the characters simply have these 7 dwarves-related traits because their wishes were taken away; Simon could naturally be low energy, Bazeema shy, and Gabo irritable without it being because they were missing half of themselves--though I'll admit Gabo seemed like the best person to convey that story aspect instead of Simon. Plus it works better if these are their natural traits because if they do change to become "better," it's natural, highlighting the theme of making your own wishes come true and growing as people.
A part of me does agree about the Teens having their wishes instead of the couple, but I do like the couple having their wishes granted to show the world exists and moves without revolving around the main characters. I do want to know what their personal lives are like, though; Asha is the only one who's family we see, and Dahlia's job as making food for the king is only important when Asha wants to know how to get to his private chambers.
Coco hmm encanto hmm book if life did this better so puss in boots or chicken run dawn nuggets so
Wish feels short incomplete they had nice concept art andidead they scrapped for wish a shame indeed
I still wanted to analyze more, but was Asha really surprised to know that the king can't grant everyone's wishes? Like, from what I've seen there is a "routine" for the wishes and they are granted in a limited quantity, so of course it wouldn't be possible to fulfill everyone's wishes because there are too many, shouldn't Asha have thought of that since she wanted a job as the king's assistant?(by the way, it would have made more sense if she was already his assistant for some time, that would give Magnifico a reason to tell her the secret).
This was a perfect time for a lesson in maturity/growth, but it was simplified and choppy instead. And in the film, he grants the wish of a random woman without taking her wish, meaning he already has it. I guess he probably does a collection ballot, sometimes using fresh faces (probably tourists) and sometimes using people who already gave their wishes.
Nevermind the fact that Magnifico never explains why he needs an apprentice or why Asha is considered, considering she doesn't have an interest in magic and her consideration is random at best, as Magnifico barely knows her.
Same. And maybe she was already trying to help people fulfill their wishes in secret. Not by taking the orbs, but helping people without the use of magic. Or with the little, slightly unstable, magic she has.
But then learning that they need the wishes back, and return it to the person, for it to be feel fulfilling. It was only then she tried to steal her grandpa's wish.
Specifically when realizing her grandpa's wish won't be chosen. And this was when she has a falling out with the king.
@@OpticalSorcererfor what it is Say, people at 18 can go and voluntarily give their dreams to Magnífico, but it isnt a requiered thing as the video stated, si thats the reason he has the wish of the woman
The apprentice part needs and explanation? I simply thought that he realizes he was getting old
She literally tells people that their wishes being granted is contingent on the wish being worthy. If its not worthy it doesn't get granted. She already KNOWS thst some wishes aren't worthy.
If this were a movie released on a different date it wouldn't have been a problem for it to be "weak", but being the movie for Disney's centenary anniversary put a lot of weight on it...
It's crazy, since I could think of several other Disney movies that screamed centennial more than "Wish."
That's why I think people might be a tad too negative about the movie, but I DO understand why they're upset, and the criticism about it is extremely valid.
Even Enchanted paid a better homage to classic Disney movies compared to this one.
It's not just the date. This is meant to be Disney's celebration for 100 years. It being "OKAY" is... Funnily enough, not okay.
So the expectations were stupid high for this to be a GREAT movie that embodies Disney existing for 100 years. More so compared to other projects.
But it doesn't feel like it. In fact, the only thing that tells us this is a 100 year anniversary, is the equivalent to the coocoo clocks in the Live action Pinocchio.
And not through the story, the music, and why Disney can make many stories feel like a timeless classics that can be enjoyed by all ages.
It's honestly sad to hear people going from this film being forgettable to apparently parents NEEDING to ask "is this safe?" ... to a DISNEY film.
Yeah, that’s a big problem though. As it’s own thing it would’ve been just fine, but as the celebration film you’d expect Disney to put their best work into this. It’s the same reason people got annoyed that Wish wasn’t traditionally animated, since that used to be Disney’s bread and butter.
Fr tho, the movie had an almost infinite amount of potential from the premise but it seriously fell off. Would be really interested to hear what the development and story team has to say about it, it feels like a really creative idea that was put down by corporate control
It's honestly the stakes for me. It doesn't feel that bad that people gave up their wishes. As you say, the consequences for losing their wish feels TOO subtle.
And the fact that we don't know why he kept them in the first place- where we're all just GUESSING why he does it, is already it's own issue.
Remember at the beginning when they said he lost something by a Wish which made him study magic
@@CrazyManhog they barely elaborate on that though. Just like Asha's dad.
Yeahhh
Even if giving him a wish were mandatory to live there, well, thats your tax and its a cheap tax.
Their lack of MATURING could have been treated as an actual plot point...but like every other plot point, the movie failed to commit.
He was definitely given the short end of the stick, but-
I do like the idea of having a character that exhibits fake generosity (not sure if there's an actual term for this).
- Willing to help others, as long as the giver is not inconvenienced by it
- Their generosity is more for clout/ego/status than a genuine want to help people
This could have been an interesting concept to build on. Keeping up appearances while being a narcissistic ass behind closed doors
does feel familiar.
I'm bothered by the fact that his backstory really never comes back up. And that his wife abandoned him so quickly at the end. That was weird.
Does it really matter if generosity is fake? Do the hungry people care if the only reason they were given food is for clout, as long as the food is genuine? And shouldn't we as a society uplift those demonstrating generous behaviors (regardless of motivation), such that more will be motivated to be generous in the future? It's not like rich people owe people simply because they have the resources, so it seems like any significant act of generosity should be recognized.
The closest term I can think of is ‘secretly selfish’. Where a character does something nice but it’s for their benefit rather than others. An example is healing someone because you expect them to fall in love with you as a reward.
Magnifico's keeping all the wishes could have been explored as a guardian keeping the city together because the people's greed is beyond control. Like imagine if half of those wishes were: I wish I knew magic like Magnifico. Or. I wish I owned that awesome castle like Magnifico.
Basically granting them would be like pouring gas over a lit match.
That's pretty much the exact reasoning he gives. He grants the wishes he knows are good for the kingdom, and keeps the wishes that are too vague or could be dangerous. The memories are taken so that the people who-willingly-gave them to him aren't worried about them. Out of everyone, only one person is shown to actively be down about losing his wish, but everyone else in the kingdom is happy, singing and all that. Even Asha's grandpa seems to be upset when Asha tries to return the wish. But I've only seen clips of the scenes, and not the whole movie.
The movie should have been about magnifico, literally his backstory is more interesting than whatever asha is trying to offer
Also it would have been the first Disney Prince movie in more that 20 years, since i think the last one was The emperor's new groove
As a person with (C-)PTSD, I find the movie, whilst it would have been a way more mature movie, would have been so much more amazing from his perspective. Just imagine being a poor young orphan struggling with PTSD, feeling alone and helpless after your family was murdered and you were the sole survivor and you went on to learn magic so you can create a perfect safe space for yourself and the one cost for people living there being they give up something people generally won't miss because they won't remember it. And it's not like people are forced to remain living there, if they want to keep their wish before becoming 18, they could just run away to a kingdom that allows it but has taxes. The real world. That's your sole condition. But one girl decides people deserve even more privilige then what you already give them, in a non-discriminatory, tax-less, crimeless utopia. She wrecks the safety of your entire kingdom and ruins the perfect grip of control you worked so hard on the build and achieve for yourself and others, all the whilst your wife is unsupportive as she sympathizes with the people rather then you, her husband, who is spiralling out of control from primal fear which leads you to becoming the absolute worst version of yourself.
As for 'This Is The Thanks I Get', I actually like to point to a song that's often dropped in comparison, 'How Bad Can I Be' from the Lorax. 'This Is The Thanks I Get', from the aforementioned perspective, could totally be remade into a rock opera like 'Biggering', the original song. Have him slowly descend into madness during the song, no lyrics written by pop artists, it could be glorious.
Now that's a movie I would see in the cinema, unlike Wish which has failure literally written over its synopsis and soundtrack as she literally has no desire or wish of her own moving her forward which is bad storytelling as that's literally the thing that's supposed to drive the story here. (I studied children's literature)
Actually, the king doesn’t require you to give up your wish. He specifically says everyone willingly gives up their wishes. And yeah, its not like he’s trapping them from leaving or a condition of living in his kingdom is you cannot leave Rosas. Asha is so selfish and entitled in this movie, and doesn’t even care about Magnifico’s struggles as a king or the trauma he went through as a boy.
The movie would have been better if they sticked with the original idea of Magnifico and Amaya being an evil power couple, it´d have at least been something new for a disney movie. And if Asha was their daughter, the future heir of the throne, it would fix so many problems in this story because 1) It would make it make more sense why she gets to hear the truth about the wishes 2) She now has a personal connection and stakes in the story which can lead to an interesting character arc when she confronts her family in order to protect her people 3) We would get rid of some of the useless side characters, Asha´s mother and grandfather were basically non-characters imo.
It's not too late, I mean Disney could still fix this....I hope.
The movie would have been better if Magnifico would have just tell Asha about his childhood towards the end of the film, why a lot of wishes should not be granted! Then none of this mess of him using the book for evil would never happened.
I personally would keep the grandpa, but instead he'll be the kind old man everyone in the city adore. He'll be Asha's drive to bring wishes back to the people, and he'll be the one who tell her the tales about the wishing stars.
@@tamerawatkins510 Yes, it´d have been actually cool to see them both learning from each other! Not every single movie needs this "final battle against the evil where the good guys win" scene, but I don´t think Disney wanted to break from their generic formula for storytelling...
@@greenstarlover1 That´s a nice idea! Maybe he could´ve been a philosopher, instead of Asha´s dead dad, and he could´ve been someone she goes to look for help and wisdom when she finds out the truth about the wishes...
Poor Magnifico, he could have been a really good redemption villain but nah, let's make him be possessed by an evil book and then get trapped in a mirror for eternity, and not have ONE person in the Kingdom even his own WIFE say "hey, our King was clearly possessed by dark magic, lets try to find a way to undo that, especially since we have an actual star with us"
…………………How……
How did I not realize that until now?! In the movie they used the “bond with the evil book cannot be broken” excuse, but if ANY wish can and should be granted, EVEN THE IMPOSSIBLE ONES, then why the heck didn’t anyone just wish for Magnifico to be cleansed of darkness?
@@jackiefumara2417 Somehow a magic book is stronger than the Star which can give anybody the power to granted every wish.
11:00 By that point he isn't even a character since he is posessed. He has nothing of hes old personality.
I am going to try and go through all the nonsense of this film, and show why the King is a Tragic Hero, Asha a mere *fool,* and the queen a monstrous hypocrite.
I. In the opening sequence, when Asha tells the story of the Kingdom (which will prove that she already knows that not all wishes are granted *before* her interview with the King), she says: '[The King] studied the magic of the world tirelessly and became a mighty sorcerer able to protect from harm or ill will, any wish given to him. And for the good and the worthy, even grant that wish.' The latter sentence implies that even though he accepts any one to live in his orderly Kingdom, he is the one who decides who is good and worthy. The former sentence proves that the only thing he promises to his people is to keep their wishes safe.
II. Asha is the immature and impulsive protagonist of the story. She wants to become King Magnifico's apprentice ONLY to ask him to grant her grandfather's wish. Before her interview with Magnifico, Gabo implies that she only wants to be the King's apprentice because apprentices and their families more often than not have their wishes granted sooner than other people; Asha does not rebuke him (cheers to our dishonest 'heroine'!). The stupid thing is, it is later stated that only the King is allowed to use magic in his Kingdom; for what does he need an apprentice, then? ('How do you enjoy your script, sir?' 'Half-baked, please.')
III. When she is cringely shocked by the King because he does not grant all wishes (which she already knew), she stupidly says, in order to move the plot forward even though it should have been expanded upon, that the people of Rosas are good, as if the audience should accept that unconvincing statement without proof from a dishonest and hypocritical seventeen year-old girl, who is going to also become a thief later on haha The people gave their wishes to the King willingly Asha, taking them away from him without his consent *is* stealing! My apologies, I digress, I know, it is not her fault if she is a plot device personified: it is that of the incompetent screenwriters.
IV. The King is more heroic than Asha and he has such an unfair fate in the end. He starts using 'forbidden magic' (what an inspired plot device!) in order to protect his Kingdom and he cannot be saved from this dark magic because... the 'evil' book says so! Lazy writing! The worst part is, when he ends up being trapped in the mirror, he seems to be his normal self again, and the queen (his wife!) does not care at all! Let us punish the man who wants to protect the Kingdom he worked hard to build because he *wished* to keep people safe! They introduce us to the idea that all living things are connected to one another, and they do not redeem the King? It was the perfect opportunity, Disney!
V. The queen is the real villain of the story, she switches sides instead of trying to save her husband and feels no compassion towards him. She clearly knew how her husband ran his Kingdom and did not mind one bit until Asha started being a threat to Magnifico. She is nothing but a hypocritical opportunist. She turned on him the second he made a bad choice. She is the most pathetic character ever written in a Disney film.
VI. The people of Magnifico are so 'empty' without their wishes that they live happily without them--except for Simon who is sooo tired because he gave it away. If they can live happily without their desires, it is all that matters. From the King's perspective (and I mostly agree with him) wishes are burdens. When they give their wish *willingly* to Magnifico, they feel exhausted at first because of the burden that has been lifted off their shoulders, but once they get used to being free of it, they can be truly happy, whether the King grants them their heart's desire or not. He gives them the ability to let go, which most people are not willing to do, as if true happiness could exist while holding on to things like an old miser hoards his money because he unknowingly lives in fear of poverty and cannot/will not loosen his grip on that fear, and therefore contributes to his own unhappiness. Magnifico gives his people true freedom *for free* and they still find cause to complain?
VII. When the star-full but heartless people of Rosas sing together, it unites their souls together, and allows them to defeat Magnifico. But most of them have given their wish to him, have they not? What do I mean by that? If wishes were that important, the persons who had given them away would never have been powerful enough to defeat the King. Which means that they already have all they need inside of them: wishes are a plus, not a necessity to happiness or strength.
VIII. In the end, Star who does not grant wishes, but can only make non-human living things talk (silly plot device again, I have lost count), gives Asha a wand, to use magic, which unlike the King, is given to her, whereas Magnifico worked hard to achieve that in order to protect people. But now, the simple-minded girl with no heart and not wits, who ruined the life of a *good* man and kept prattling on about the fact that people had to make their dreams come true by themselves, will become a fairy godmother who grants wishes! May the gods help whoever crosses her path.
The last thing I would like to point out is that people's wishes change over the course of their lives, this is why a wish or a desire cannot define some one, because if it it did and was truly a part of one's soul, it would be immutable. Wishes are a plus, not who a person truly is.
To conclude, the story has not been thought through, Disney has no respect for their audience. The dialogues are plot-driven, almost none of them allows the characters to be developed in a satisfying manner. But of one thing, I am sure: The queen is an awful character; she deserves the same sympathy she showed the King when he most needed her. The King is not a villain, Asha is not a hero. Magnifico is a Tragic Hero, Asha is nothing but ashen stardust.
Wow great analysis , it looks like you put a lot of efforts in it .
and I d just like to add that there's a huge difference between a wish and a dream that the film fail to notice , a dream is the motivation of people while a wish is a way to make it easier to come true , example my dream is to become a famous explorer so I wish I had enough money to fulfill it , plus like you said peaple change and have multiple wishes even dreams around the years and some of them we have to let go eventually , so giving up just one wish to live in a happy kingdom is barely an inconvenience , so the main drive of the plot is just stupid .
I think Disney was trying to make a movie people can figure out lol
this comment is better than the video itself!
I do have one answer. Magnifico is looking for someone to leave his kingdom to, that's why he's looking for an apprentice. His wish was to have the best apprentice a sorcerer could to replace him.
I'm simply impressed that this comment hasn't been censured by youtube.
This was my view on Magnifico. He has PTSD because he saw his home destroyed and family killed when he was a kid. He learns magic, builds a safe and welcoming kingdom, and grants wishes. Its not a law to give your wish ppl choose to give it to him. He has paranoia so he overthinks which wishes to grant. Does he become narcissistic, yes. Does he become arragont, yes. He loves the attention and that ppl depend on him but I don't classify that as evil. The only "evil" thing was hoarding the wishes to keep everyone in control (paranoia is controlling him). But he didn't even know his ppl felt empty and he didn't know he could get powerful by consuming them. He became evil when he used book. My ideas are 1. Make him a tyrant from start. Him using wishes for power and lying to the ppl that he is protecting the wishes.
2. Amaya and Magnifico an evil couple.
3. Redemption arc (Asha saves him from dark magic and they learn from each other. She becomes his apprentice)
4. Asha is already his apprentice but thinks all wishes should be granted and learns that is not the case. Makes more sense with their ad "Be careful what you wish for"
5. Magnifico and Asha fight against a powerful villain that wants to take over Rosas.
My goodness I have so many other ideas 😂
- Remember Asha, when I told you about my very dear wife?
- Aha!
- I lied.
*Drops Asha into a reference dungeon*
As someone who hasn't seen the film and is only trying to build it up by all this rants, I honestly can't Believe what y'all are saying. Like, how could Disney mess this so interesting concept so badly? The premise that magnifico is someone who just wants to protect his people is so full of potential. Even I have some ideas! We could:
-Make him kind of trigger happy with the wish taking, but at the end knows to control himself and takes less wishes.
-Make the people lose a bit of their soul after losing their dream, that evolve into aggresive and empty husks that end up causing the revolution Magnifico was trying to stop. Or bring the kingdom to a depression the protagonist tries to show to the king, who is too stubborn and prideful but ends up realizing it and making things better.
-Make the princess actually the villain and make it something like death Note, in the sense that we watch the story unfold from the villain's side (this one is just unrealistic, but dreaming is free, specialy if the king doesn't take it).
- Making the king a secret leech that is feeding on others dreams and will use them for a mind control spell.
-Do like with the sketches and make BOTH MONARCHS EVIL.
-Turn the book into a character and make it interact and corrupt magnifico not just with magic but also with words (and then we can have both sympathetic and irredimable villains).
And this is just the tip of the dang iceberg, just to show the world of ideas gives me the premise of a movie I HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED, and compare them to what they gave us. Sorry for the massive comment, and thanks for reading.
Some context (and personal opinions). Spoiler alert!
1. Magnifico isn't really crazy about granting wishes, as he's kinda annoyed throughout the film that everyone's first priority is getting their wishes granted. It kinda validates his traumatic POV of people being naturally selfish.
2. This concept was kinda explored, but poorly; it's implied that without your wish, you become a husk of your former self, as Simon's friends now see him as boring and Sabino is somewhat depressed, but not everyone in the kingdom is like this after giving up their wish, so it's kinda inconsistent on how that works.
3. You mentioned "princess." Do you mean Amaya (the queen) or Asha (who IS NOT a princess)?
4. The trailers/tv spots were kinda misleading. Magnifico never knew you could get power from the dreams until he got angry enough to break one. It's a really weird heel-turn from the guy who just kept them locked away to prevent them from being used dangerously. Plus Magnifico is shown to have several powers (shapeshifting, magic mirror, memory manipulation), so Asha won via plot armor. Very frustrating, but the reprise of "This Wish" was great.
5. Everyone wants the villain couple, but assuming their origin story is the same, it's kinda messed up: they worked hard to build a kingdom and the people only rise up when Magnifico doesn't grant their wishes?
6. We have several Evil Queen moments for Magnifico, so the aforementioned magic mirror corrupting him would've been cool. Many people wanted an irredeemable villain, and I felt like Disney copped out by making Magnifico one simply because he embraced forbidden magic around the middle of the movie. It's not even explained HOW they have that book, nor why Amaya said how dangerous it was but never read it.
And I just realized something wild; they gave Magnifico Alma's backstory from "Encanto."
@@OpticalSorcerer thanks for answering. I have some incises on your incises.
1: I kinda like this more than the first example, but it was just a "how it could have gone if I changed the plot"
2: ok, but I mean really empty, or salvage. We could use the concept that everyone is obsessed with getting the wish granted to ignore those who have fallen, or turn them into less sensitive people that end up going nuts and activate the French Revolution mode.
3: I meant the protagonist, because even though she is not a princess, I couldn't fathom to remember her name. And besides, she technically is a Disney Princess, just not a real princess. Like Mulan.
4: again, this is more of a "what if". How Magnificent would be evil, If he was evil from the start.
5: or we could use that backstory to make it more interesting. Think about this concept. They create the kingdom and learn magic to protect themselves and are planning to use their magic towards mind controlling the population once they get a certain number of citizens (or wishes if you want to make him actually feed of them) and having their kingdom of slaves protecting them.
@@pabloherranz1795 I maintain the belief that this film could've been salvaged by being a parody like "Enchanted" or having a more epic renaissance-era story with cutting, modern humor like "The Emperor's New Groove" (Magnifico being a male Yzma would be amazing; she is my favorite Disney villain).
I agree about the part of wishes robbing someone of their essence, though I like the idea that it's a mixed bag; some people may want nothing to do with the interests related to their wish now, and some people may flourish in another field. I feel like a lot of people in Rosas have become codependent to the point where they don't bother trying to achieve their dreams. For example, if you like art, you could wish to be a great artist, even if you've never practiced the skill in your life.
I know Asha isn't a literal princess, but I was confused given the context. And I hope Disney changes their mind about adding her to the lineup; her character is bland and her movie is a box office bomb (at least in the USA), so I don't feel like she adds anything. It's like how Elsa and Anna weren't added to the lineup because their movie was too sucessful--this is just the opposite.
@@OpticalSorcerer I'm thinking of the wishes more like a soul fragment. The thing that drives you forward, a more philosophical stance. Maybe the wish could have been not the thing that you want, but the one you need. I know this ain't the movie stance, but I like my ideas better.
Yes, for what I've seen Asha is damn boring. You can tell that by the fact that I didn't even bother to check her name in the original comment and only used it once you said it.
And about the emperor's new groove type of comedy, YES. And making magnifico a new Izma comes with a certain implication: remix of snuff out the light? YES PLEASE.
I feel like it would wildly interesting if he destroyed some wishes to gain the power needed to fulfil other wishes. I assume would make things a lot harder for Asha.
He created a kingdom where everybody is happy and he's a villain because he cannot grant everyone's wishes? He's also hot. Asha or whatever haven't done a single useful thing yet she is supposed to be the heroe?
"He's also hot"
I noticed that too. 😆
I had...concerns about Magnifico become a Tumblr crush......
The King promised to keep the wishes of his people safe, not to grant them all. As Asha states in the opening sequence: '[The King] studied the magic of the world tirelessly and became a mighty sorcerer able to protect from harm or ill will, any wish given to him. And for the good and the worthy, even grant that wish.' Besides, the fact that he only grants the wishes that are good for Rosas does not make him a villain, it is common sense. A king has to think about the majority and the peace of his kingdom before the *individual* needs of the people living in it.
He didn't grant the ones that benefited the kingdom, he granted the ones that benefited hmself.
@@ethancox9737 You amuse me. I am going to try and go through all the nonsense of this film, and show why the King is a Tragic Hero, Asha a mere *fool,* and the queen a monstrous hypocrite.
I. In the opening sequence, when Asha tells the story of the Kingdom (which will prove that she already knows that not all wishes are granted *before* her interview with the King), she says: '[The King] studied the magic of the world tirelessly and became a mighty sorcerer able to protect from harm or ill will, any wish given to him. And for the good and the worthy, even grant that wish.' The latter sentence implies that even though he accepts any one to live in his orderly Kingdom, he is the one who decides who is good and worthy. The former sentence proves that the only thing he promises to his people is to keep their wishes safe.
II. Asha is the immature and impulsive protagonist of the story. She wants to become King Magnifico's apprentice ONLY to ask him to grant her grandfather's wish. Before her interview with Magnifico, Gabo implies that she only wants to be the King's apprentice because apprentices and their families more often than not have their wishes granted sooner than other people; Asha does not rebuke him (cheers to our dishonest 'heroine'!). The stupid thing is, it is later stated that only the King is allowed to use magic in his Kingdom; for what does he need an apprentice, then? ('How do you enjoy your script, sir?' 'Half-baked, please.')
III. When she is cringely shocked by the King because he does not grant all wishes (which she already knew), she stupidly says, in order to move the plot forward even though it should have been expanded upon, that the people of Rosas are good, as if the audience should accept that unconvincing statement without proof from a dishonest and hypocritical seventeen year-old girl, who is going to also become a thief later on haha The people gave their wishes to the King willingly Asha, taking them away from him without his consent *is* stealing! My apologies, I digress, I know, it is not her fault if she is a plot device personified: it is that of the incompetent screenwriters.
IV. The King is more heroic than Asha and he has such an unfair fate in the end. He starts using 'forbidden magic' (what an inspired plot device!) in order to protect his Kingdom and he cannot be saved from this dark magic because... the 'evil' book says so! Lazy writing! The worst part is, when he ends up being trapped in the mirror, he seems to be his normal self again, and the queen (his wife!) does not care at all! Let us punish the man who wants to protect the Kingdom he worked hard to build because he *wished* to keep people safe! They introduce us to the idea that all living things are connected to one another, and they do not redeem the King? It was the perfect opportunity, Disney!
V. The queen is the real villain of the story, she switches sides instead of trying to save her husband and feels no compassion towards him. She clearly knew how her husband ran his Kingdom and did not mind one bit until Asha started being a threat to Magnifico. She is nothing but a hypocritical opportunist. She turned on him the second he made a bad choice. She is the most pathetic character ever written in a Disney film.
VI. The people of Magnifico are so 'empty' without their wishes that they live happily without them--except for Simon who is sooo tired because he gave it away. If they can live happily without their desires, it is all that matters. From the King's perspective (and I mostly agree with him) wishes are burdens. When they give their wish *willingly* to Magnifico, they feel exhausted at first because of the burden that has been lifted off their shoulders, but once they get used to being free of it, they can be truly happy, whether the King grants them their heart's desire or not. He gives them the ability to let go, which most people are not willing to do, as if true happiness could exist while holding on to things like an old miser hoards his money because he unknowingly lives in fear of poverty and cannot/will not loosen his grip on that fear, and therefore contributes to his own unhappiness. Magnifico gives his people true freedom *for free* and they still find cause to complain?
VII. When the star-full but heartless people of Rosas sing together, it unites their souls together, and allows them to defeat Magnifico. But most of them have given their wish to him, have they not? What do I mean by that? If wishes were that important, the persons who had given them away would never have been powerful enough to defeat the King. Which means that they already have all they need inside of them: wishes are a plus, not a necessity to happiness or strength.
VIII. In the end, Star who does not grant wishes, but can only make non-human living things talk (silly plot device again, I have lost count), gives Asha a wand, to use magic, which unlike the King, is given to her, whereas Magnifico worked hard to achieve that in order to protect people. But now, the simple-minded girl with no heart and not wits, who ruined the life of a *good* man and kept prattling on about the fact that people had to make their dreams come true by themselves, will become a fairy godmother who grants wishes! May the gods help whoever crosses her path.
The last thing I would like to point out is that people's wishes change over the course of their lives, this is why a wish or a desire cannot define some one, because if it it did and was truly a part of one's soul, it would be immutable. Wishes are a plus, not who a person truly is.
To conclude, the story has not been thought through, Disney has no respect for their audience. The dialogues are plot-driven, almost none of them allows the characters to be developed in a satisfying manner. But of one thing, I am sure: The queen is an awful character; she deserves the same sympathy she showed the King when he most needed her. The King is not a villain, Asha is not a hero. Magnifico is a Tragic Hero, Asha is nothing but ashen stardust.
@@DylanM379 Well, I guess that could have been done better, but I think most of the reviewers are being too harsh.
I really liked Magnifico as a villain, but not as a good guy. He had a bit of a two-faced vibe at the start that I think could have really worked if they rolled with it. But no he was a genuinely nice guy that got into a disagreement with a crowd then touched the evil book.
Well, he was a little self-centered, but he also had good qualities...his genuine interest in Asha's life, his revelation of his history and his hope that no one should ever have to suffer like that again, his seemingly genuine love for Amaya. And then they just take that left turn.
I think the wishes should’ve had an actual consequence. Like he had the orphan backstory, but in order to actually use the magic he needed to consume maybe 100 wishes combined to make just one happen. It could’ve started early by him conning people into getting them, and he couldn’t stop. It would explain why he keeps them so secret. If they wanted to make him redeemable, a better twist would be if it was actually from the dark book, and he needed to keep doing it until Asha and the Star prove to be strong enough to break him free of it and make him see that he doesn’t need to use it to make the kingdom happy.
I think another thing that could’ve used your idea of “maybe it should’ve ended without any magic at all” was Encanto to me. I would’ve loved if it ended just on her finishing the door instead of restoring magic to everyone after they learned to work together.
This could work much better as a story from Magnifico's point of view. He's a tragic hero corrupted by dark magic while trying to save his kingdom, forever trapped in a mirror, while a young woman runs the kingdom he built into the ground as she has no idea how to handle granting wishes. Eventually, she turns to him in the mirror for help, setting him up at the magic mirror. Asha starts to lose it from the pressure, turning evil herself and leaving the kingdom to marry into another one, taking the mirror with her-surprise prequel. The seven dwarves are the descendants of her friends, living in the woods after the kingdom fell to ruin. I know it's a bit fanfictiony, but it's better than what it was. I'd love to see that movie.
And regarding "This is the Thanks I Get," I know it's supposed to be his villain song, but it plays out more like a frustrated and egocentric hero who's done nothing but give to his community and is taken advantage of. People only respect his ability to grant their wishes, not him as a person. It feels much more like a tragic hero pushed to dark magic than a villain.
But this does remind me of a light novel series I read. In it, a goddess wanted to give humanity a paradise, so she did. She created a world without illness, hunger, poverty, or dangers. But no matter what she gave humanity, they wanted more. She realized that without strife, humanity can't recognize paradise. They need to struggle to be happy. So she came up with a cycle: humanity is threatened, a hero rises up, and it repeats. They enjoy peace until it's threatened again. Humanity eventually rises up against her, wanting free will. The protagonist recognizes the goddess's genuine intent to help but acknowledges her mistake due to lack of guidance. They could have done something similar here, where Magnifico goes down the wrong path to protect the kingdom, misunderstood by most citizens. Asha researches and realizes his intentions, using her power to heal him and joining forces to create a more compassionate rule..
The King has a great potencial to be a redeemable guy
But Disney waste this
Inknow rite? They accidentally wrote the perfect set up for a redeemable villain and didn't take advantage of it.
Magnifico legit lets the people kmow there memories of that Wish has to be removed to in order for there Wish to be granted.
People came there willingly to still get it done.
If people were willing to go through that process. He is not stealing there wishes.
I have been avoiding Disney's newer films almost religiously, my sister is always willing to give them a chance I'm not, but I was really hoping even with all the... 'red flags' for lack of a better term, I've been seeing, that this one could be redeemable. Yet I'm understanding that Disney released a half-assed movie with so much potential but not a lot of actual good story. As soon as this video mentioned Magnifico's backstory and what he'd done, I thought that he wasn't really a villain just a paranoid king that wants what's best for his people. I'm reading comments as well, and they have so many wonderful add ons as well. This video is well made and a fruitful study on a character with squandered potential. I'm disappointed in Disney at this point. I'll just stick with the older movies and series.
It feels like this villain was written by a teenage girl that was mad her dad wouldn't let her go to a party in skimpy, revealing clothes and stay out until 1 am. All the motivations are perfectly reasonable, and so are the methods. It's just unfair to those who are still childishly-minded.
What Magnifico really is is a vision of Corporate Disney. His message is exactly that of the corporation. ‘Give me your wish and…maybe…I’ll make it come true. I’m more likely to butcher it,twist it,or bury it. I’m certain to monetize it, but hey, it’s like the lottery-ya pays yer money and takes your chances. Ya gotta play to win.’ And suddenly I am wondering if that wasn’t what the writers and filmmakers were going for. What better way to celebrate Disney’s 100th anniversary than to portray the corporatism that has devoured it. How much cooler would it be if they actually did it without meaning to.
it's like, had they committed to the "redeemable" angle and had him be straight up redeemed at the end or at least imply that that will happen, it would have felt similar to a lot of their recent movies but i don't think it would have been bad. had they committed to the "evil" angle (and especially if they'd gone w/ the evil king AND queen power couple from earlier in development) i think it could have been a really great return to form to have a fun straight up villain, and added well to the "love letter to disney's past" that wish was supposed to be. but trying to combine both of them into one character just made it messy and disjointed. sad :-(
I think Asha should be more of the main villain of the story or the cause of the problems. What if they make Asha's grandfather the founder of a music college which Magnifico started by having him become the royal bard apprentice. Then Asha breaking into the castle is the catalyst for the main conflict of the movie.
The 1992 Aladdin, through the Genie, we were warned against wishing for more wishes as well as limitations on wishes. The movie WISH wants to remove limitations on wishes, ignoring the dangers of becoming too lazy and dependent on wish power.
No, Genie said he isn’t able to grant the wish for more wishes. Aladdin simply tricked him into giving him a fourth wish, which Genie wasn’t too happy about. The main moral in Aladdin was “magic can’t solve everything” and being careful what you wish for. Aladdin literally makes a bigger mess by trying to be someone he’s not just to win Jasmine’s heart, which is a big reason to why I don’t particularly like their relationship. I seriously don’t get why everyone’s okay with the fact Aladdin lies the entire movie just because he’s got a crush on Jasmine. It’s like saying his actions don’t have consequences
I don't remember if they ever explain why a supposedly benevolent king has an "evil magic book" so readily on hand that he knows will irreversibly corrupt the user. You'd think a truly good king would want it destroyed, so it can't tempt anyone in the future. Instead he keeps it in a "break glass in case of emergency" thing right in his own office, where it could constantly remind him of its existence. If it was indestructible or something shouldn't he at least have tried to lock it far away in a dungeon or bury it?
It suggests that Magnifico liked having such power close by him, tempting him, just in case. Adds to the paranoia interpretation. Or at the very least suggesting that he was always in a state of CONSIDERING using it. Not the sign of asomeone, who was good from the beginning.
If it is indestructible, and as the movie seems to imply, has an evil consciousness, it is better for the nearly all powerful good mage to have it where he can keep a constant eye on it.
@@nvfury13 Yeah, i gotta agree. I'd much rather have it close to the one person who could feasibly do something about it
@@Cardinal_claw Exactly, it (at worst) shows that this man who came with nothing but gained skill to a deserted land and created a thriving kingdom had a tiny bit of understandable arrogance, and thought he could resist the entity in the book.
It also shows that the people of that land were greedy and treacherous, including his wife, due to how easily they turned on him.
Dunno, coming from his backstory where as a child he saw everything he cared getting destroyed, that might have been a huge trauma that devoured him from the inside. To the point he grew more paranoid about every other possible menace that could destroy the paradise he created.
The book being SO EVILISH is bullshit, but the idea of him having a hard measure in case of something devastating for the country sounds more like "good intentions are what makes the highway to hell" rather than him being a bad person all along.
Everyone's saying King Magnifico is a twist hero. I agree. And frankly I'm tired of Disney's usual "goofy perfect princess defeats bad person", they had an opportunity to make him the hero and the suppsed hero actually the villain along with the town. She could be the bad person for freeing all wishes, he's the hero for fixing her mess. I'd have paid for that, not this.
This is the thanks I get doesn’t make any sense given what happened in the last scene. Right before the song was magnifico talking to the townspeople about the Star coming down, and they were bugging him about their wishes, and he gets frustrated with them. Then the next scene is a song where half the lyrics are about how vain he is, when nothing before this hinted at him being vain in any way
The Fandom Wiki classified him as "pure evil"
i love how the people of the kingdom have one wish and only one wish that defines them as humans , i swear everyone have like 100 wishes before they even turn 10 , not all of our wishes comes true but we don't really just spiral into emptiness , it just makes them all inhuman
I don't think they only have one wish, I think he only takes one wish to grant. Naturally, people probably wish for the thing they want most and have the least chance of actually getting, but one guy just wished to have hair, and I gotta think there was more to that person.
My personal opinion is that he isn't evil at all; he just has an unsatisfying mindset for some.
Everyone was happy, so how is what he is doing bad ?
Taking away wishes didn't make the people less happy.
He gave the people almost everything they needed to live a good life.
The MC just wanted too much
Should have made him a twist hero, he has all the ingredients for being a very good guy
They needed to explain what happens when a person lost their wish. Did they forget it but keep the feeling behind it?
I saw someone mention how he could very easily be compared to God (someone who has the power to grant all the wishes but won't for assorted reasons), and considering how the majority of the Internet sees religion as evil I can definitely see it.
Fourth reason why he was collecting wishes, which I've noticed many people miss entirely, is that he states that there is a feeling that comes with them. That feeling, which I believe is hope, is addictive but being around them so long, he doesn't get as much of a high off them anymore and thus has to keep collecting them to maintain his high. They are a drug to him.
The message of this movie and how it treats its villain reminds me a lot of raya.
He was the best part of the movie in the second half.
My main issue with him his they give him a symphatetic backstory.
I wanted him to be just a selfish vain and just love being evil like the good old days.
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Heck maybe he keep people wishes just because they make him powerful.
And yeah even my twin brother told me after the movie ended that it would have been better if Magnifico was evil since childhood and that that was his secret. After all he keep something hiding on his painting/tapesty i forgot what it was.
The true moral is the movie that it doesn't matter if you work your guts out to make everyone's life better, there's always be an obnoxious person who manages to turn people against you and indirectly responsible driving you into a villain.
they didn't make him evil-not really. they made him relatable/understandable, whilst making the main character look like a gullible idiot who doesn't think things through.
I can see the characterization for the king similar to someone who wants to make a backed chicken with garlic and herbs, but they set the temperature wrong and instead of cooking the herbs with the chicken, they add them to the dish after it's been under-cooked in the oven.
They sabotaged their own villain.
There's this really scary trend in movies where "Well functioning and happy society exists... main character finds a problem with it, makes everyone around them see it as a problem too, then turn well functioning and happy society upside down to better suit their needs." Its like a self report from psychotic wouldbe revolutionaries in the writing room lol
And yet there are so many stories with seriously flawed societies where the main character winds up fighting to preserve the status quo.
In this case I think the movie could have benefited from the rule of cool… for instance what if Magnifico’s tragic backstory was that he made a vague wish that got his family killed and then he tried to reverse it by killing the wishing star. This destroyed the kingdom. He got wish granting powers at the cost of being able to wish himself and a corruption started spreading from the dead wish star. He can only work at suppressing the corruption by granting other peoples wishes but he is also paranoid about doing more harm. He has been walking that tightrope of needing but fearing the wishes and he eventually cracks under the pressure and gets completely corrupted. Then we could have had the wishing stars be a meteor celestial army fighting the corrupted king. You could even keep the singing to call down the meteor strike.
It’s RARE that a protagonist can start out just as morally gray as the antagonist. I just HATE it when evil d**k riders, who you can’t convince me otherwise that they just secretly want to be assholes irl, use that to justify the actions of the antagonist. And thus making it seem as tho the bad person is entirely in the moral right and that trying to be a good person shouldn’t be a favorable option to anyone.
I think people like that are kind of reflexively reacting.
If a movie has two morally grey characters but treats one as the unambiguous good guy, some people are going to all in for the other guy out of an unconscious sense of fairness.
it's like i've been saying: i think there's a good, compelling narrative in here somewhere but the writers seem more content to go with some half-baked, black & white story instead
Asha killed MrBeast, yes
The spilling camera shot of the princess singing her "I want song" is soooooo stock photoish
My perfect explanation for keeping the wishes is that Magnifico needs to gather then power of other wishes to grant one or more wishes. Soft of like a lottery.
An explanation for his keeping them is that he is skimming the majority of the power for himself to keep him powerful and alive.
But if Magnifico banned all magic users then what is Asha hired for? They said his apprentice, but that means learning magic to use with your master. Maybe they should have said Servant of assistant, apprentice is the farthest thing from what Magnifico's goals are.
That feeling when you mess up making a classic evil for the evulz villain so hard you make a tragic hero.
Never seen this channel before. You have the same accent as my grandfather which is super cool because I’ve never heard anyone speak like him
I agree about King Magnifico I thought he was to cool to be the villain It's like a few disney movies from before they could have had him not as the villain only make it look like he's the villain they could have had it all to be a misunderstanding where Asha finds That he's keeping all the wishes for himself and not gonna grant them all like she did in the actual movie then when she steals the wishes she makes things worse and either king Magnico realizes he's wrong then both Magnifuco and Asha work together to get things resolved or she could have found out he was keeping them all for a reason and makes things worse buy steeling the Wishes but she and magnifico work together to make things right in the end that's what I thought was gonna happen and that's what could have happened in this movie but oh well it was a good movie the way it was no complaints I just saw it last weekend and I liked it An outstanding film as much as frozen was and it actually gave me ideas to some books I am writing.
I like how you used the Scarlet Witch since the way she is used in MoM is one of my least favorite things in fiction. Like, a person who was previously on the good side and with some mind control turned evil, is a decent enough plot point to use - if the characters care enough about the person. Like, if one of your old friends suddenly wants to harm you but once you find out, they are not themselves, the character agonizes about fighting back and possible hurting the person they like. And then you can either have the character manage to save the mind controled person or have them be forced to kill them against their wishes, making them feel despair.
However, in MoM, you don't see that. No one cares that the person is mind controlled and tries to restore them, they just see them as a threat towards them. Which makes that a really bad case of a wasted character, especially if the person used to be one of the good guys beforehand.
Covert Narcissist , that’s apparently what he is.
I haven't seen the movie but from what I can gather, it's a strong independent woman of color that rescues everyone from an evil white man who built the cozy kingdom she lives in.
I think there was definitely a good movie here at some point. However, it seems like corporate meddling and bad writing decisions ruined that.
I need a documentary. I need to know EXACTLY when production for this took a turn.
oh definitely, I couldn’t last a few minutes without thinking about what could have been
It was written by the Chief Creative Officer of Disney, it was literally written to please Disney executives BY a Disney executive.
@@NoTheRobot Considering what a big fan she is of "Cinderella," I'm surprised Jennifer Lee didn't give the film a classic feel--but she didn't write it alone. There was another writer.
This movie reeks of corporate meddling, you can tell there are good ideas in there, but also that many of these ideas conflict (probably due to a huge amount of rewrites made by various teams) and then you have very forced ideas that really feel like you have executives that came into the room and demanded they adhere to these plot points being added to please the shareholders
Honestly, I am still amazed at how often and prominent corporate meddling still happens in this type of movie, I would have though they would have realized by now that the more the corporate slide into the writing and the more likely the movie is to bomb ......... but I mean, that would require a level of foresight and self reflection that most of these people aren't capable of doing
There is an idea that Magnífico isnt taking something per se, it's more the sense of deja vu thats left of something You should remember but can't: Like alzhaimers, it isnt particularly good, but considering the reasoning of magnífico and what he offers it's completly valid, more seeing how one man wanted to be a conquerot
Magnifico could've been SOO much interesting as a villain. But, they just had to make him throw a hissy fit for him to become a villain. Given that he had good points about wishes and Asha does not, it makes it hard for me to sympathize with her considering that Magnifico was villified for simply doing his job.
no it's not a middiling movie, it's well made and what people wanted for years. give this film good reviews
It would get good reviews if it deserved it. It’s painfully mid, which means that it’s not technically bad, but it’s not good either. It’s just forgettable.
IT does deserve it! the critics are wrong!@@blueflare3848
@blueflare3848 well, I'd also add that it's not supposed to be a movie you look at and that's it, it supposedly is carrying the meaningful passion of what the company has been trying to bring into the world for the past 100 years.
You can't look at is as a singular entity, and if you consider that it's literally all they came up with for the 100 year anniversary, it becomes a huge disappointment and quite pathetic, alongside forgettable.
@@deny2294 That’s a good point too. It’s a mid movie on its own, but the fact that it’s supposed to be the 100 year celebration of Disney just makes it even worse.
6:06 genie's rules. Not surprised that you ignored them. I guess you want the dead to rise.
I definitely agree with you about Magnifico and you make a lot of valid points. But I do have a suggestion. You have a very thick accent that is very difficult to understand. Would you mind putting captions in this video? I had to watch it several times over to be able to understand the words you were speaking. Even then, there are still several sentences throughout that I still can't decipher from your thick accent. Other than that, this is quite an exceptional video from what I understood from it.
Subbed, great video man! 💯😃
An Ideia I have that could maybe make the movie be better would be if Magnifico could make a fake copy the wishes to be more in his favor and grant thoose like its the original wishs that the person wanted, like the wish of the Grandfather was to Inspire people than it would be modify to Inspire people to like the king or something simular, and than the true wishs are in the tower
All great points. A lot of the movie is just redundant and honestly a little contradictory. Also, you should definitely make a video about Cinderella!!!
I’ll like to hear your Cinderella analysis
They had all the right tools and traits to have a great villain. Narcissistic? Check! Manipulative? Check! Sociopathic? Check! Charismatic? Check! Voiced by a phenomenal actor? Check! Obsessed with maintaining his power or status? Check! On top of all that; his people are devoted to him, his kingdom is safe and thriving, and his reasoning for why he can't grant everyone's wishes is sound and reasonable. But his drastic behavioral change to his full blown heel turn makes no sense. He should have been using and consuming everyone's wishes from the start but the side effect is he becomes more paranoid and more corrupt. You can justify it further by using the magic book as a further tool to explain his corruption and decent into madness.
So you would like a Villain like injustice superman ? A hero that is slowly corrupted by his desire to control reality .
all i have to say to people who dunk on Magnifico's motives as a character and not as a villian, 4 words:
Thomas Hobbes' Social Contract.
Only three comments?
These are the recommendations! They are the ones that get people into mods.
What?
@@JesseGolo hey, it was the common youtube bug, excuse me lol
My issue with Magnifico is they needed to pick a lane, either make him a sympathetic antagonist that learns a lesson like Alma from Encanto, or make him a classic Disney villain. They tried to make him both and they half assed both. This movie would have been way better if they just picked one or the other.
Antagonist? Have the lesson being Asha learning that not all wishes because it actually can be detrimental while Magnifico learns that locking away the wishes is equally bad. Have the Star grant wishes willy nilly as various consequences of the wishes start piling up (like flying lady get the power to fly but can't control it) and have her and Magnifico stop star together with the solution involving returning the wishes to the people and encouraging them to work hard and compromise to achieve their dreams rather then relying on immediate gratification and being too literal.
Villain? Actually make him secretly evil from the get go rather than using a "become evil instantly" copout book. Make the wishes a ponzy scheme where he grants some to keep people coming/staying and hordes the rest to power himself up. Have the reason he does this tie into his back story where he wants the power to seek revenge or to conquer other Kingoms to expand his Utopia, not realizing hes causing the same harm he was caused in the past.
at least he wasn't randomly redeemed
Disney when rushing stories makes bad stories and characters: .0.
Magnífico needs serious therapy.
For the algorithm #2
I watched Wish a second time and I couldn't help a nagging feeling that this movie was the first draft of an AI writer.
Apparently it was partially, but fair warning i haven't double checked the info yet
"classic Disney villain"
I heard somewhere that Magnifico was based off Trump but aside from the ego I can't really see any similarities. I feel like Mag wouldn't dare say half of what orange man has said.
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the main character she is a real villain for real Bro
5:59 Ive only made it to this segment but the reason you forgot to mention, the reason that stuck out to me the most, is control. Holding the peoples wishes hostage makes it easier to control the people. They do whatever he says under the false hope that he will grant their wish. A person with a granted wish has less incentive to blindly obey or worship him. We see him control his people rhis way many times in the movie
Feels like AI to be honest.
He is a terrible written villain they needed better writers.Disney should have stayed with the “Ireedamble Villain or the reedamble one,” the pure evil one make him that he conquer Rosas and Manipulates everyone that he is the king and when Asha leave she starts telling people his true nature due to his paranoid and fear he becomes crazy and uses the magic book to try to stop Asha and Her friends.the reedamble thing is make himself flawed character that learned from his flaws and becomes a better person.
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I haven't seen the movie but from what I can gather, it's a strong independent woman of color that rescues everyone from an evil white man who built the cozy kingdom she lives in.
You’re absolutely delusional if you think the races of the characters is the biggest problem with this movie. Every single character could’ve been White and the movie still would have been painfully mid. The writing just sucks. The movie is too safe and doesn’t allow itself to take risks, which in turn means there is nothing that makes this movie truly stand out.
@@blueflare3848
Never said it was the biggest problem, you're fighting a strawman.
It just feels like they focused more on diversity than actually making something interesting.