Peak writing Disney almost as good as not being allowed to go Turbo in Wreck it Ralph during the day to being allowed to go Turbo during the day in Ralph Breaks The Internet 🤣
The movie literally gives us no reason to care for her. They tell us her daddy dies but does absolutely nothing with it. It’s not her motivation, it doesn’t leave some trauma or grief or some kinda obstacle she must overcome on a personal journey. There’s no mystery to her, she isn’t a thematic presence in the bigger story, there is no lesson for her to learn here, she’s just a plain, boring protagonist to follow. Disney really dropped the ball with this film imo… EDIT: Y’all, thank you so much for the likes, most I’ve ever had 🙏
The issue is her dad DOES motivate her; but motivate her for WHAT? She wants "more for us than this," but what does that mean? This began because Magnifico isn't granting everyone's banal wishes?
Just the female Disney protagonist from the 90's are so diverse in personality, you got Ariel who is curious and naive; Meg who is sassy and funny; Belle who is adventurous and selfless; MULAN who is clumsy but determined (the perfect balance of both releatable and admirable character). Seriously Disney, what happened?!
The women of Disney were never weak or stupid as they have been depicted. That thesis requires you to forget a lot of plot points about their older movies.
And you have Kira who's also determined, strong and naive all at the same time; Esmeralda who is down to earth, yet she defends what is just. And Anastasia, wait no, still wrong company XD.
Asha could’ve been a elegant yet relatable character, who is so professional, ambitious, optimistic, intellectual, soft-spoken, artistic, dutiful, bookworm-ish and competent yet she comes off as an asocial, insecure, snobbish, vain, and lonely overachiever yet with amateur magic skills, Real struggles of being a princess (such as presenting Rosas in the most deceptively perfect way imaginable) and being a adopted daughter, who wants more power in her life, what’s best for everyone and wishes to be a better monarch, her character arc would becoming less complacent, compliant, then challenging the magical toxic positivity, Mind control, and totalitarianism of the wicked king and queen of Rosas who after abducting her has a Stockholm syndrome relationship with them and had decreed only Royals can practice magic, recognizing the beauty, unconditional, love, humility, simplicity, and fun of life, work smart to make your own wishes come true, improves her own magic, become more a honest about herself, socially confident, courageous, anti-totalitarian, “feminist killjoy/traitor” princess, with the help of her true love Starboy, In the end they are married and crowned the new king and queen of Rosas.
Exactly but instead they had Asha have random moments or extreme quirky-ness and them sudden shifts of absolute seriousness where there were no jokes being made by her. It's like they wanted to make her palatable but also wanted to be able to claim they were subverting from their usual formula.
You just described Tiana hehe which for me Princess and The frog does a better job at honoring the studio legacy and creating a story about wishing on a star. Like they even had a better and more functional tô the plot star character and that star never leaved the Sky haha
It's funny, when I first saw her character design before any trailers dropped, I thought she would be more mature. However, when the second trailer dropped, I was disappointed by her being annoyingly quircky.
I know the adorkable personality was created as a response to the criticism that Disney princesses were way too prim and proper and were an unreachable role model for women but I feel like we overcorrected a little. You don't need to have every protagonist be super lady-like but the adorkable personality should be used only when it makes sense otherwise you do something different, it made sense for Rapunzel and Anna and Mirabel due to their backgrounds, for Asha it makes no sense. She acts as a tour guide of the kingdom, she has seven friends, she got a job as an aprentice to the King, how do you manage to acomplish all these things when you can't go two steps without tripping over your own feet or blurbing out nonsense?
A good example is Moana since she has lots of quirks but we see that she can still be serious and a proper princess. Like think of the song Where You Are that's a great example
I wouldn't call Classic princesses unreachable though. They Just know how to do Chores and be kind. Jasmin is extra street smart, Mulan has tactical skills, Snowwhite and Cinderella are extra caring etc... It is Just nowadays people forgot how to be proper humans with dignity.
I’d read somewhere that Asha was originally supposed to be the daughter of King Magnifico and his wife, meaning he’s not just teaching her magic because we needed some way to connect them he’s trying to pass down his role as the wish granting king to his daughter. That could have lead to an interesting storyline where the grandfather has seen the negative changes in his son and wants his son to give up the wish granting power, making the grandfather’s wish that his son will stop granting wishes. I think a more interesting storyline with the star would have been finding out that Magnifico had captured another star, possibly the Blue Fairy from Pinocchio, and was using its power to grant wishes, so this other star boy comes down to find out what happened to the Star girl and ends up meeting up with Asha and they work together.
She has zero character development. They give her what she wants without losing anything. Her father doesn't count because we, the audience, didn't know him. The king is actually a good person. He only grants the wishes the benefit his kingdom or ones that won't harm his people but Asha stomps over that. If they went with what they originally intended, where Asha was the kings daughter and the queen was evil too, then maybe the story would have been better. How this plot got the green light, I will never know.
Personally I would have made Asha be Magnifico and Amaya's actualy daughter because then not only is there real conflict but she would've been the first Disney princess to have her actual parents be villains since all the others have been step parents. (Lady Tremaine, Evil Queen, and Mother Gothel) I also would've given Asha a personality similar to Elsa and Mulan rather than Anna and Rapunzel
Asha's "i want" is basically about other people. We know nothing about her as her. Mirabel wants a power, Vanellope wants to race, Moana wants to explore, Asha wants...more than this? What is this.
They forgot the main rule of musicals - when something is too emotional to say it, sing it. When it's too intense for just song, dance and sing. I can't believe Disney forgot it's roots like that. And a love story is way more interesting than this bullshit about wishes, or Raya and dragon stones. Love gives us SO much meaning and motivation. It gives characters the same.
Raya was supposed to be about trust and forgiveness. The emotion chosen isn’t any less impactful than a love story. It’s the horrible execution that made it forgettable next to the real Disney classics.
@@davidlantz3302 To me, love and trust is the same thing, or at least stem from the same vein. Frozen is a story about love, too, just a sisterly one. It, also, has it's shortcomings in terms of storyline, execution, and development. Love doesn't have to be done romantically each time. But love DOES need to be present in order to raise the stakes of the characters. If you love someone, you have to trust them. Raya could have grown to love Sisu, or her travel companions. But there is NO love in that story. Just some weird feeling of "these people are helping me," the same feeling that I get from soup donations at a homeless shelter. Its NICE, but it's not love.
I hate that people treat live as a boring theme now, older princesses are criticised for being leading ladies in love stories, despite the fact that love is a universal experience/human need/motivator
I feel so bad for her. Also, why would you have her voice a Rapunzel or Anna -esque dorky girl? Given her past work, I think Ariana would be better suited to a fiesty and fiery lady (like Esmerelda or Jasmine) instead.
My three girl cousins age 4, 6, and 10 all disliked the film. They love the older Disney films. Elementary kids are literally talking more about Godzilla Minus One and not Wish. This is the target audience! I have faith in our future generations!
I found Asha boring. She's a nice girl... that's it! Yes she is pretty but not brave like Mulan or adventurous like Kida or kind like Belle. Asha never learns how to fight or protect her freinds and her family. All i knew about her is that her father was dead, her grandpa didn't get his wish granted. Not enough to make me care about her dreams and life. Also, her dress is very similar to Rapuzel's purple dress; she has a goat like Esmeralda AND looks like a fusion of Isaberlla from Encanto (For the face) and Pocahontas for the long flowy hair. Her name is original but not her design 🙁
I think it's because Disney is trying to ride on the coattails of the increasingly popular female revolutionary trope, but Disney princesses aren't really revolutionaries. They're survivors. Unfortunately, that also seems to prompt a lot of the criticisms that these girls lack agency.
Disney tried but didn't success with the current movies, like before that's it! No point in complaining, about random films or female characters being not good enough!
There were some moments where I genuinely got mad at Asha as a protagonist and while I did like Ariana Debose’s performance of her, Asha’s character didn’t resonate enough with me
@@r3dr4te963 Sure, the problem form this movie is they turned back too safe on antagonists when Asha's decision stills not, and claims some political wills under Disney magic. They make a generalisation between Life goals and real wishes fantasy, and it shows.
I think a major reason why they changed the Star from a potential boy love interest to a marketable plushy is Disney's recent attempts at depicting anything but a 'traditional romance', or having male characters that 'save' or have some advantage over the female characters. Cant have a boy with magical powers to swoop in and teach the female protagonist a lesson.
It’s nice when not every Disney princess has a love interest but it’s like they think giving her a love interest would make it “Un-Woke” as though romantic love isn’t a thing that can happen and it’s morally neutral
Furthermore the idea of “if we give a female lead a male love interest it will become misogynistic/unfeminist” is. Worrying. Like they’re under the impression that a woman in a relationship is inherently disempowered or whatever. Like dude who cares
@nessie6899 I would attribute the development of that idea to the rising popularity of the female revolutionary trope, but Disney princesses demonstrate heroism by being survivors, not revolutionaries.
the original ideas were so good, star boy was a shape shifter, he turning into "yellow luma" to hide and pass as some kind of doll so he could get into the castle would still make that plushie and keep him for interactions and plot. Asha should of be an actual princess and her parents the evil super in love queen/king couple, you still end up with her "takind down the government" but at least it would of been more entertaining.
I personally think they could had made Asha related to the royals unknowingly. I mean her father and the king could had been brothers or distant cousins. Like her branch of family (or the very least grandpa) either got kicked out or walked out with the royal family and her quest is her finding out and having to fight against her newfound evil relatives.
@@jfk-t9o sounds like a great motivations! Kinda like the royals made her father dirty and turns out she is a legit princess and her family was supposed to be the one in power. Maybe also add the conection of the father and magic with the stars so Asha becomes the very first one to genuinly wish upon a star.
@@OcioCamaraMx Or it could been the father or grandpa was the first born but then a evil relative made them looked bad or used magic to forget who they really were.
Also, the King who is depicted as the villain of the story is the guy who did not force anybody to his island kingdom, made sure that not all wishes were granted because many could either be achieved by the people on their own merit or they would have severe repercussions if they were to occur, and he had pretty much brought peace and prosperity to his people without any consideration for himself. This places himself as a hero whereas Asha tramples over his decisions, thinks he is an unfair person to see that good things should be taken in moderation, and acts for her own selfish interests, which in turn cause so much harm as the king had predicted. Furthermore, because no real lesson is learned, Asha never sees the fact that the King was right from the start or that she should go down a path towards selflessness as a means of bettering the world.
Honestly! What if Asha found a way to steal his powers and then grants everyone’s wishes but it goes terribly wrong??? And she has to turn to Magnifico to come back and fix it.
She sucks because she is a non-character, literally. Across the story she doesnt change, she doesnt grow, and she doesnt learn anything... There is nothing there to relate to, and her characeristics like being quirky, doesnt do her any favor. Worse is that the story constructs her to be more of a villain than a heroine... As she brings down what is essentially an Utopia, all for a tantrum (which wasnt worth it because her grandfather had the skills all along to make his wish come true)... Worse is how they went from demonizing Magnifico for deciding who gets their wishes granted and for holding all the power, while Asha is praised for granted every wish and she holding all the power... They went from one extreme to another (not even an extreme as Magnífico's stance on the whole issue was the most reasonable. Making the middle ground), and worse is that there isnt a single reasoning as to why Asha ia a better candidate than Magnífico, if anything she is the worst choice. Either way this movie is a mess which cant decide what story its trying to tell.
Yeah maginifico was controlling overprotective but he had a reason wishes can back fire destroy like the book that possesed him he done nothing wrong they had peace for years unlike maginifico fallen to dust ruin kingdom were he was the last survivor thanks to uncontrolable wishes that doomed the past people he has trauma from ithewas complete honest to asha never lied to her
@@jc1979af indie animation is definitely on the rise these days. Im not surprised. A lot of good stuff has come out of it, like digital circus and lackadaisy and even helluva boss has better reception than this movie JAJ
I think it's interesting how the film tried so hard to make King Magnifico entirely irredeemable. Even his wife who had been with him for years was just like: "Well, I guess the evil spell book says he's unsavable, so let's just let trap him in glass forever!" My heart honestly ached for the king at the end. Where if his character had been a woman, they would've redeemed her and probably blamed all her bad actions on some evil man in her life.
Also I want evil woman, I want an evil lady that's smart and stays a step ahead and isnt secretly by a more evil and smarter man. Let women be evil and smart and give heroes a run for there money!!!
Not to mention he's the most altruistic character ever made, builds an entire kingdom to save people from suffering like he did as a child, doesn't have them pay anything, his motivation for everything is granting wishes and keeping people safe. Like what on earth did the guy do wrong seriously, if anything, it's she who destroyed all that work
Even before the evil spell book came into play, they tried to make him come off as narcissistic by framing all his good deeds as a way for him to maintain his power in his "villain" song and why he needed to be ousted. The problem with that is a) he's still doing all those altruistic things even if it is for selfish reasons, and b) _he made a kingdom where people's wishes come true._ If anything, all of that was an argument for keeping him _in_ power.
I have to side with Magnifico on this one. He created Rosas as a nice place to live where people are happy, and he keeps the peace by controlling the wishes so nobody gets hurt. Sure, he's a bit vain and controlling, but he is the king after all and that's his right. Now compare the character development in Wish to Puss in Boots 2 for a night and day difference in what you can do with an animated movie.
@@tiffanygwinn1603 what was not right? The people voluntarily came to Rosas and gave him their wishes in exchange for living a peaceful and secure life. They knew full well the terms of the king, they knew that he granted only one wish a month and that not everyone would get their wish. Nobody was held against their will and they could come and go at any time. The king held back the wishes that would be harmful to the peace and security of the community and naturally he would be the one to decide the wish to be granted because he is the king and therefore the lawful authority. What Asha did is not right. Now she alone controls the wishes and now all wishes, regardless of the danger, will be granted? That's not right
The Disney corporation is their own worse enemy, they continue to censor and restrict the people they hired to do what they're supposed to do. I'm pretty sure that corp Disney knows nothing about writing stories or making characters. They need to let their artist be artist, trust me they know what they're doing obviously. The fact not only did they get rid of a new potential and never before seen hero couple, they also got rid of the villain couple. Imagine how cool that would be to see the hero couple go against the villan couple. That shit would go so hard. Also have no doubt they had other cool ideas. But it seems like corporations (not just Disney) wont let artist do their fucking jobs. Too scared to offend the sensitive crowd's that complain about everything. Despite the trash being out these days artist do still exist, and they aren't scared to take risk. But the people above them won't let them do what they need to do. Remember all the patience and care it went into the little mermaid song 'part of your world?' Remember when the animators went out to china to study the culture for Mulan? Those things no doubt took a lot of time but it was worth it. Now it seems like they can't even have a month to fully flesh out a story. This is why corp Disney needs to focus on the corporation aspect of the business and the writers and animators focus on the actual art.
This movie utterly reeks of corporate meddling. Let's have a villain couple be the main antagonists. NO! Woman can't be true villains. Only the king should be evil. Have the queen rule alone cus GIRL BOSS. Let's make the villain/hero dynamic complex by having the villain be kind of right about not granting all wishes, giving him a sympathetic origin story and having the female lead lean a lesson. NO! Modern female leads can't ever be wrong. Let's have the star be a shapeshifting boy who the female lead falls in love with as they free the wishes. NO! Depicting heteronormative romance is PROBLEMATIC. REEEEEEEE!
Asha's story should have been her gradually seeing the cracks in the system. The star showing up would he the biggest crack, as maybe she saw Magnifico as all knowing and benevolent even after he denies her request. His hunting of the star would be her first true point to change. The star boy being mute would be a nice reference and reuse of The Little Mermaid, him having to communicate with his hands and powers. Her being an awkward yet loyal girl who eventually rises up and goes against the system she wanted to he a part of would have been very interesting to watch.
To me the biggest issue is she has no real goal or dream of her own. Instead this whole movie is based upon her helping her Grandfathers dream, which was kind of weak to begin with imo. You can't even say her dream was helping others, as most the movie all she cared about was her own Grandpa's dream and no one else's. Working solely for the dream of another could of worked, if she was shown to be closer to her Grandpa but her history was rushed in the extreme to the point we didn't even know her dad was dead till a throw away line later on. Honestly it would of worked best if her best friend/romantic interest that was a bit older than her had her dream taken and that spurred the movie on. She could of seen her friend's life die as the dream was taken, even remember what the dream was that her friend now can't seem to grasp etc. That would of worked far more than a Grandpa who had a dream like 80 years ago no one can remember.
I feel like so much of the movie could have been fixed if A. Asha wanted to become the Kings appreprentice because her father and the king were close,she sees her father in magnifico so she wants to believe hes doing good and to find out he had been holding the wishes for a selfish purpose would give added depth to her being distraught and give a reason for why Magnifico said he knew him OR B. Asha was the daughter of the king and queen and was born with no magic,she believes that the wishes arent good until she meets starboy who was locked up by her parents and she finds the value in wishes and fun- ANYTHING TO ADD DEPTH
The adorkable girl can stay, but only if it makes sense. It works for Rapunzel and Anna because they never had any social life, unlike Moana, who is adorkable despite being a gifted leader and is in touch with her community. Or Asha, who is very sociable.
Asha can easily be described as the standard template for a modern Disney heroine, or modern heroines in general. Let's be honest here, the west only uses two archetypes now for females: headstrong girl boss, and adorable/awkward girl. As long as activists say, that being feminine is something bad, we will never get another motherly figure such as Mrs. Brisby, an innocent, naive girl such as Giselle from Enchanted, a big sister type such as Franky from Foster's Home, a sexy one like Nessa, a clumsy one such as Lola Bunny (Looney Tunes version), an evil and vain one like Gruntilda, a gold digger like Mrs. Tweety, or an animal lover such as Bubbles from the PPGs.
Thank you for mentioning Mrs Brisby I feel like she gets neglected when talking about female characters. Her voice actress did a great job bringing the character to life.
“The woke west” Names all Western examples The shows that are everyone agrees are good rep (Spider-Verse, Nimona, Arcane) mostly have “woke” themes Listen, dudes… it’s not the wokes who’re ruining everything for you. Women, POCs, people in the queer community, etc. want good characters too. It’s the pandering, illiberal corporations that ruin everything for all of us. Target them, not the people trying to live their lives.
As someone who recently passed through children's literature, just the general synopsis and soundtrack was already telling me how bad Aisha was written. Like the story needs to be driven by the protagonists' will and Aisha has no will of her own! She is selfless but without a goal she wants to achieve for herself. The 'I Want' song was literally all about highlighting that very goal, their own dream. And then we're not even talking how on paper, she de-stabilizes a peaceful kingdom because they aren't getting even more privilige despite living in a near utopia. No taxes, no discrimination or crime. As cringy as Magnifico's villain song is, I understand exactly how he feels, but Aisha? How am I supposed to understand wrecking a kingdom out of greed and being rewarded for it?
She’s even worse than the main character from strange word because at least the main character in that movie had A CHARACTER ARC. And Asha doesn’t have one. How bad is that?
Asha: Character that loves to destroy a person (that is mean to her) life. Tells people that the king is such a bad person and manipulating her friends to believe Magnifico lied to them the whole time. Magnifico never lied. He told Asha people come there willingly to give there wishes and to give in there memories of what they want to be. That means people aware that there memory of that wish will be removed. Magnifico didn't steel there wishes because he was a careless evil theif. It's because he once made a Wish that destroyed his homelands. (The angry people) was possibly made up so Asha doesn't get frightened that a wish destroyed his homelands. He didn't want anything happening again (ALL OF THIS SO THAT DOESNT HAPPEN AGAIN). He knew Asha made that mistake he did. He was trying desperately to stop that star that Asha was with. Unfortunately he was controlled with his anger by the book and opened it and his soul was consumed and Evil Magic took over his body
Wish: *celebrates a 100 year anniversay by making Asha a girl boss, the star a plushie & annoying but less motivated villains but ended up failed miserably as well as the film* Walt Disney's Ghost: You have failed me for the last time.
you said exactly what I was thinking. We learn nothing about asha or her own goals and aspirations. We don’t even get time to sympathize with her because her father is so brushed over it feels like she doesn’t have much of a connection with him. Her relationships with her family and friends are hollow. We never see any true obstacles for her. She’s the perfect main character with not a single flaw but flaws are what make characters interesting. They make them feel real. Asha is the first disney protagonist that feels like she doesn’t have a personality. We don’t see her having emotional connections we see her saying she does. She’s quirky and she’s a good person and that’s it. Last protagonists had so much more to them. Talking about who she’s been compared to most mirabel was deeply empathetic she was also rude and snarky and pushy. Rapunzel was naive at times and dismissive. Anna was a romantic but she also rushed into things without considering the consequences. Moana was passionate but she was also headstrong which got her in trouble before maui was even in the picture. Asha has NOTHING. deeply disappointing
Why are NERDS commenting on Disney Princess characters. When did this overlap between Star Wars Theorists and Disney Princess shippers happen? I don't like pointless crossovers. Of course gamers and comic book readers are gonna hate it. It wasn't made for them
Contrast in particular with Tiana, who's very heavily motivated by her relationship with her father, and that is made clear throughout the movie. Meanwhile Asha's dad is mostly deceased because there's a quota for Disney protagonists lacking at least one parent (Mirabel being an exception, but Alma kinda makes up for it... and Mirabel's parents aren't major characters anyway).
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 ashas dad was a great opportunity to show why ashes so important. If her dad was a philosopher he could have challenged what she knew about wishes taught her about the stars and we could see why her wishing on a star is so poignant. Instead the movie does absolutely none of that
Here’s a good way to look at this whole issue: a good lead is changed by their dynamic/relation/encounter with the antagonist by the end of the story. Asha is not changed in virtually any way beyond a mild snap out of her “charming derp”and naïveté. On the flip side, because of her, Magnifico goes from a benevolent (if a bit egotistical) king who granted wishes, housed charitably his subjects, and was a loving husband to his wife, to a man desperate to keep things from breaking down as he’s seen before with untamed magic to the point where he resorts to magic that perverts just to keep things in a form of check that served everyone so well up until she showed up. She’s the villain who won! From the moment she learns how things in Rosas works: her family goat is no longer useful to its purpose (no slaughter, sale, or as a beast of burden) because it’s now sapient; the people are now disenfranchised to a great many things; the queen is no longer a loyal, caring woman to her spouse but bitter and unforgiving; and the kingdom is now doomed to have her incompetent ass playing judge on who gets their wishes and who doesn’t. And the worst part is, beyond that one lady who wanted to fly, every wish we’re made privy to in the film are all generic enough that they could come true by merely getting off one’s own ass and working for it!🤨 The trailer made it seem like the star was gonna come down because of her and start wantonly granting wishes proving to her the king was actually right and wishes can’t always come true because they can be dangerous or reckless. But nope, it only turns a bunch of animals in the immediate vicinity into whimsical talking critters just for a shitty song and then just tags along like a puppy until giving her the king’s job before leaving back to the night sky. In every revolution, the outcome is to go from one tyrant to another.
I know Kuzco from The Emperor's New Groove started out as a villain and was redeemed at the end. But what if there is a protagonist who is a villain through and through ? In that case, Asha, whose motivation seems more questionable than heroic.
Kuzco didn't start as a villain, he was a narcissistic and selfish emperor sure, but he wasn't "pure evil" but by the end of the movie he learned to be more humble and more respectful to his people.
@@marley7868dude, no he didn’t. The worst we saw him do in the movie was have Rudy tossed out a window (also wanting to tear down Pacha’s village to make a summer home but he never actually _did_ that), when did he have a guy crucified? Unless you got Rudy getting tangle in the flag pole mixed up with crucifixion in which case I applaud the way your mind works 🤣🤣🤣
@@LadyLeomon crucifixion was not usually done with nails instead you were fastoned in with rope so yes making an old man hang till someone feels like freeing him every week is bad granted the old man took it well
@@marley7868 no. Kuzco had one of his guards toss Rudy out the window, after which he ended up tangled up in the flag-pole, no way in hell was that on purpose, what you’re calling a crucifixion was a total accident
well with all those past heroines they each had distinct qualities as well. They were quirky to an extent but they had more to them. Asha doesn’t. She doesn’t have flaws or even her own goal she is a mouthpiece for the message and nothing more. A perfect protagonist that does no wrong
My girlfriend is a huge disney fangirl,and i was really into it too. And i was disinterested the whole movie,and my girlfriend who remembers everything disney forgot about the villian's and most of the character's names in a week,which shows how forgettable it was. After seeing the star boy and the evil power couple villains concept art,fellas we've been robbed of a good movie due to disney's recent obsession equating romance to weakness
What bothers me is how shes portrayed as this good and kind girl, when she isnt, shes just a selfish spoiled brat. Which would be fine if that was the point of her character, like with Kuzco, and she develops and becomes better by the end of the film, but the story is contantly acting as if shes in the right. The only reason for her to be the king's apprentice was because she wanted to get her grandpa's wish granted. Not everyone's, ONLY her grandpa's. She knows very well the rules of the kingdom about all that, but she still thought she could slime her way to get an exception for her own benefit (her family's at least), which wasnt even like, her grandpa was dying or something, his wish was extremely vague, and its not like he wouldnt be able to do it without it right? I mean, did his "wish to inspire people with music" would grant him some sort of siren powers? Because how exactly would a wish make a difference unless you dont want to put in the effort to learn how to play and how to write songs? The only reason she decides to OVERTHROW THE MONARCHY, was because Magnifico wasnt going to budge, so instead of finding a middle ground or another solution, she throws a temper tantrum, breaks the hopes of her grandpa and decides to break in a castle and steal everything. And how exactly is she supposed to be the hero here? Her song makes it seem like she and the kingdom are miserable, when everyone INCLUDING her family, are all genuenly happy. What exactly do they have to complain about? They dont pay taxes, 12 wishes get granted every year....there isnt a problem. The only reason its suddently horrible is because Asha didnt get what SHE wanted. Never mind that her and her friends make fun of one of their friend's wishes, then feel all hurt when the guy has enough and betrays them.
I mean, they could have had something like the source of Magnifico's wish-granting power was him stealing magic from the stars or something, and when Star comes into the movie we see it's a cute little Disney companion or even the magic prince... but now Magnifico wants to capture him and drain all his power or something to make Magnifico stronger once more. So Magnifico could actually be a villain in that he's totally willing to steal magic from star people to grant his wishes, and we see he isn't even that fond of granting wishes to his own people unless it benefits him. Then as Asha goes on a journey with Star and learns about how shifty Magnifico has been and defeat him, they reach some compromise where Asha and Star run the kingdom and use Star's power and Asha's humanity to properly run the kingdom without making promises they can't keep. "We know we won't be able to make everyone's wishes come true, but we make sure the kingdom and it's people have what they need." or something like that as opposed to an Evil Magnifico only promising to grant wishes, but really only granting ones that would benefit himself and ignoring bigger problems or whatever.
I am in the process of rewriting the plot of this movie. I have a google doc and everything, and so far I can say that Asha would have been infinitely better if they had done one single thing with her: Make her Magnifico's stepdaughter. Make her mother the queen, and give her this goal to try and build up a relationship with her new stepfather in an attempt to give him the apprentice/heir he never had. Then, when that budding relationship with Magnifico is forced to crumble, we get a tribute to villains like the Evil Queen and Lady Tremaine, and also this really satisfying sucker punch right in the feels!
I give it a month before Asha's misrule of the kingdom (or at least, of the wishes) leads to the kingdom and the waters around it being set on fire, the magnificent buildings being reduced to rubble, gravity selectively breaking down so that the ruins sometimes float in the air, and for a gigantic black hole with great green tentacles coming out of it to have formed in the sky, which hovers menacingly over the kingdom at all times, while the stars over Rosas fall every night, leading the sky to grow blacker and blacker with each passing day, as the black hole gets closer and closer. No one knows just how close it is, but hungry roars can be heard from the hole now, and they're getting louder. "We tried putting the fires out with water, but that only makes them burn hotter." A pity they got rid of the ONE PERSON in the entire kingdom who knew how to actually work reality-warping magic.
Simon's betrayal makes NO sense and the resolution to it is stupid too. Ir's also strange that the whole apprentice position plot line is just dropped after Asha messes it up. It would make so much sense if after his friends all shit on him for having changed after giving up his wish, he gets motivated to apply to the apprentice job right after Asha does. Magnifico, still angered over his interaction with Asha, is refreshed by his general lack of interest in magic and hires him. Then when he gets his wish granted, yes it's to fuck with Asha, but there is plausible deniability because Simon is the apprentice now. Then when he gets mind controlled, or does it even need to be mind controlled? His wish was to be a loyal knight for Rosas, so he's automatically on the King's side and rats them out. You know, the problem with poorly worded wishes? Wishes can have consequences! That's a concept you's think would be in a movie about wishes but strangely isn't. It was in goddamned Aladdin over 30 years ago!
"We root for Asha because the fact king is a bad guy who *only grants wishes that he deems are good for Rosas* which isn't explained well." What a villain? Are we sure we aren't following an 'evil' or at least selfish protagonist?
All they needed to do was make her dad dying a bigger deal. Like she could’ve had to learn how to function with grief and that carrying on isn’t disrespectful to the dead. Boom, much better character.
The storytellers of these Disney films show really take notes on how the protagonists in recent Disney shows like Amphibia and The Owl House should be written. Heck, even the main character from The Ghost and Molly McGee is a better example. Molly herself is the typical quirky optimistic heroine, but what's refreshing about her is how the show isn't afraid to make her take Ls with how she handle certain situations. She's basically the better version of Chole from The Fairly Oddparents.
I’m respecting of opinions but that is just ridiculous imo. Mulan, Kida, and Moana are three that immediately come to my head that are infinitely better…
I'm so tired of modern Disney protagonist with the same cliche of "Quirky girl who is different than the others and talk back to the adults around them" these days. The last time it worked was Moana, and for me, she was the last good Disney Princess. Remember when Disney Princess has their own personalities? -Snow White is caring -Aurora is naive because she's been raised by the fairies in the forest most of her life -Cinderella is hard working -Belle is a booksmart -Ariel is curious about how it feels being a human -Mulan is a fighter -Jasmine is standing up for herself -Pocahontas is wise -Megara or Meg is sassy -Esmeralda is using her charm and bravery -Tiana is a hard working girl to have her own restaurant -Rapunzel wants to know how outside world look like and also has a passion of art -Elsa is insecure at first but she later embraces her true power -Anna is quirky and talkative but still caring -I know she's not from Disney but Brave is from Pixar which is also part of Disney, Merida is rebellious and likes to do something different.
Asha is such a nothingburger of a character, Mirabel is a similar type of character but she actually works because Encanto is about generational trauma, she's socially isolated and she has to deal with the conflict of family, it's like this movie doesn't even know who Asha is because she is so cookie cutter
Mirabel also had way more to her! by the second song you realize she’s actually deeply unhappy and desperate for a change and it’s not something random and vague like “this” it’s a miracle. A miracle so that she can prove her worth because the movie has been showing you up until that point how dedicated she is and how proud she is of her family. Ashas I want song is so vague does asha herself even know what it’s about?? not to mention mirabel also has empathy, emotional intelligence, overly persistent and snarkiness to her personality. She feels developed whilst asha feels half baked.
@@lilac3266 Mirabel tries to be funny and energetic to make up for her insecurities for being “that one giftless kid” in her family. Her awkwardness makes sense cuz although she tries to act relatable and happy, she doesn’t have actual confidence AND THAT’S THE POINT. IT CONNECTS TO THE STORY OF HOW GENERATIONAL TRAUMA GETS HIDDEN. If Mirabel didn’t have that kind of personality, the story will change completely since her personality reflects it. Meanwhile Asha can literally have any personality besides being quirky and it will still add nothing to the story, cuz that’s how badly written the movie is.
@@musikyleproductions2488 exactly mirabel has nothing to make her stand out amongst a family of gifted people. She had to rely on her personality to get by. It’s a coping mechanism for her.
Here's a short pitch if anyone is interested :D (inspired from all of the lovely and creative commentors, fan theories, rewrites and of course original concepts!) They could've made Asha a killjoy character - a grumpy character that does not believe in the wishes or anything to do with the magic and what not, why? Because not only did the magic were the cause of her father's death but her wish was the root of it. And in result because of this trauma she condemmed anything to do with the wishes and sworned off any magic of happiness due to her internal guilt, but deep down, she still cared for Rosa just as much as she cared for her mother and grandfather. So throughout her growth, she was outcasted and deemed to be the grumpiest person of the town, whilst the king and queen strive to be kindest rulers and this is where of course the writers could chose to bring out more of her flaws in the sense that she even has demonstrations started to hate/complain on the wishes, which distrupts the ceremonies. She stayed as so until a star appeared infront of her. A star that did not leave her be and even turned into a wish she had deep inside her heart. A friend. The star became a star boy. Abit cliche with the opposite attract thing but if Disney is recyling and taking inspirations form their older love stories, than i feel like this concept albeit common, could still pretty well. Cause with more details and depths of developement brought upon the characters, automatically you would get a deeper meaning to the tropes. So in this case ideas like plot-twisting, not only having the rulers being a power-villain couple but also they were Asha's original parents. The wish that Asha made to save her dad could easily have been twisted by Magnifico to kill him instead, but why does he want him dead you ask? Maybe the father knew too much of their history or maybe they found out that their child was still alive, as the father as a huntsman did not kill Asha but brought her up as his own as his wife could not have children (nod to snowhite). Due to their narcistic tendencies, Magnifico was easily swayed by his queen's wants to want Asha dead, as she could not bear having to be dethroned by her offsprings in due time. And dun, dun, dun, another plotwist, maybe coming to the end of the love song we found out that starboy is not who he seems to be... he was actually working under Magnifico with an order to hypnotize Asha into being "happy" because they didn't want a defiant in their kingdom. And their biggest plan is too of course make their entire kingdom to continue believeing in them and turn "zombie-like" to their commands. Edit: Here's more ideas regarding the other side characters; - While I don't mind "Disnified" characters, but I do miss the more realistic looking animal sidekicks they use to have - and specifically for Valentino, I don't mind his look but it would have been interesting to see him being more than just lamb looking goat, maybe a goat smaller for his age (e.g. dwarfism) which explains his deep voice but also potentially highlight his development throughout the story of wanted to wish to be heathier (although not always there are alot of animals with dwarfism having all sorts of health conditions, making then more vunerable and need more attention). This could maybe also to show the bond between him and Asha, is that she accepts him for who he is no matter his condition. Basically giving him more complexity. I def don't mind only having him to be the maind sidekick as we would have more room to focus. - Moving on to the Seven Teens, I could def see the potential here as well! Each characters as well having diffrent ethnicities were pretty cool to tie in the diversity knot (the cultural stuffs are def another rabbit hole to geg into) and paying homage to disney's classic "Snow White". Although i did chuckle when i remembered where else I've seen the scenario at... Snow White Live Action (the teaser if you know, you know)... classic Disney being a copy-mouse of themselves. Story-telling wise i wouldn't mind if the diversity and inclusivity as well include more health and disabilities as how the Seven Teens were started as but not finished. As plots and characters were rushed, all them felt more of back-up singers and dancers than the band they could've been, because even the movie itself, felt like music videos strewn together. E.g. Safi could've had more moments than just sneezing, being the character that maybe suffers from alot of allergies, maybe in the Magnifico cookie scene, Dahlia made sure to bake a batch specifically for him, maybe he is still an animal lover or enthusiasts despite the health issues he will suffer upon just meeting them. - Scenarion pitch: if we are going with grumpy version of Asha, it would be interesting if we see her learning how to make friends, and who to better start with than the most welcoming bunch. Maybe she learned more and more about the meaning of gratefulness or acceptance through the hardships of others without the means of magic or wishes (accepting hardships if you will) and that she is not alone in feeling heavy emotions like guilt. On a more specific hypothetical note, I thought the scene of Asha and Starboy dueting could begin in a sadder tone, when Asha ran away crying after her mother revealed who was her original parent (Magnifico and Amaya). Overwhelmed with emotions and having a panic attack she ran into the forest, with Starboy following suit. He then found her by the tree, where she use to sit with her father. He began to sing "at all cost" in a way to bring her father back to her, but also embracing the vunerable version of her, as maybe throughout the story Asha had been a very hard-shelled person, that prefers protecting others than herself.
Also I think the "fairy-god mother" concept could potentially work really well in this story. Since disney is known to bring in alot of fairy-like figures that supports and help the heros/heroines throughout their journey. Maybe Wish could have been a lore/myth to how the fairy god parents came to be, starting from Asha as the first to take the mantel to her kingdom.
The big thing too is they tell us her personality. The characters like the Queen tell us Asha is generous for example they don’t show it. For Anna they showed she’s Naive from her interactions with Hans. For Rapunzel they showed us she’s curious from the way she interacts with world around her outside of the tower. For Mirabel they show her insecurity with her interactions with towns folk. They also give us little to no character development or inner conflict whatsoever. She learns nothing, she changes nothing about herself, we know little about her goals. And the villain guy? Seriously they wanted a traditional villain but they presented him as more understandable and reasonable than the protagonist. The more I here of the original ideas from Asha being Magnifico and the Queen’s daughter to the star being her male love interest the more upset I am because it’s obvious they throw away these ideas because Disney is just cowardly because they throw away all kinds of ideas and censor their artists for the sake of not offending anyone. When you create art from movies to books to songs to paintings you will ALWAYS run the risk of offending someone. So what do you do? Not make art? Censor your art and change it so much to the point it’s so generic so no one will be offended? No! You use common sense to see if the potential offense is worth making the art and most of the time it is. Having her have a male love interest doesn’t mean it shows the message of anti feminism and girls needs guys to save them. And then you make your art and if people get offended of something.. oh well, if it’s reasonable listen but most of the time nowadays it’s not reasonable. Disney doesn’t make art anymore
She feels like if someone saw Rapunzel, Moana, Anna and Mirabel and tried to replicte them all without understanding what made them so charming in the first place
if Star had actually been a magical Starboy love interest, this would have been so much better. I see him as a mix of a Peter Pan tinkerbelle and Jack Frost from rise of the guardians
I personally think Bob Iger and his executive buddy cronies need to be replaced as soon as possible because not only do they have no clue to how to run the company creativitely, but also due to overworking their employees studios to meet ridiculous deadlines. While there are those artists and animators that can work insanely fast with great affect, it cannot even save bad stories and the consequences becomes painfully obvious with those with at least eyes and ears. There are elements of an amazing movie I could see, from the exploration of Wishes, Magnifico, Amaya and even Asha, and they took the safest route which is an absolute dud. Seriously, Disney. Get some people running the company who at least has been in creative projects before as CEO like Alex Hirsch, Byron Howard, Bill Motz, Dana Terrance etc. Like if creatives were to run Disney, we'd be in a brighter era for the company where they could thrive better than ever with of course, some smart and respectful business people at least as smart as Chris Melandandri and Jason Blum while letting animators and artists cook great stories. Reduced budgets that are $100m-$130m on an animated film I'd take any day if the film is good quality on it's own compated to $200m budgeted messes of movies anyday, Look at Across the Spiderverse for example, that film looks absolutely stunning and it only costed $100m-$150m, plus it was a masterpiece of a film. The Super Mario Bros Movie is an effective example, we got fantastic advertisement that tells what the concept is about, it gives you the summary you need to know, what to expect and what to get excited for, while a memorable and enjoying film on top of that, it was a massive success. I hope Disney changes asap because if they do not, I cannot see them lasting even another decade.
You'd get more from the story of Magnifico was the protagonist who had to battle his own ego and vices. Asha doesn't even need to be a character. Just have a story of a king who wanted to give to much by granting the desires of others, but it comes at the detriment of their kingdom as turns out, granting everyone's wish isn't a good thing. When he finds himself a wishing star that can go what he does, allow it to paint his perspective on his wish magic and take a step back from granting the needs of other and focus on his own life. It would then make more sense if he were to pass on his role as a grand wizard to someone else (maybe a young kid named Yen Sid) and organically tie together what is meant to be an unofical origin story to all disney movies
Asha's the actual villain of the movie. Magnifico was driven to desperate measures and was possessed by an evil spirit in a book. Everything would be fine if not for Asha. She has no idea how to handle the reality-warping magic of what is basically a toned-down version of the D&D spell wish. I'd give Rosas about a month before it's on fire and they're going to beg for their rightful king and founder to return.
@@afrolens9532 Just look at it from a practical point of view. Magnifico was the only one who knew what he was doing. They replaced Einstein with a freshman in undergrad.
@@Aristocles22 Practically he shouldn’t have told all this to an intern or apprentice. Practically he should have had assistants from the start to help him out Again no one is written well in this movie. Their motivations are all up in the dust
It might've been better if her dad was still alive, but was really sick, and her wish was to heal him. And as she goes on through the movie, she also begins to see all the other people who's wishes will never be granted. This would be her motivation, her i want. Which would be better for the "I Want" song, which is really vauge in the movie. This would give a greater connection to the main character, and make the main confict more impactful and interesting.
I personally think they could had made Asha related to the royals unknowingly. I mean her father and the king could had been brothers or distant cousins. Like her branch of family (or the very least grandpa) either got kicked out or walked out with the royal family and her quest is her finding out and having to fight against her newfound evil relatives.
It does not sound good but they could have fixed it by having something else take the wishes and more but king stopped it. Then her wish messes it up and maybe even have the "wish eater" to pressure her into it. That would not happen since the king is a straight, while male so he need to be a villain or a joke. Also Asha would need a flaw.
Im super dissapointed. Asha has such an amazing character design and I actually like the "adorkable" trope but she just fell flat and is a nothing character and i in fact agree with Magnifico's reasons for what he does before he turned evil.
When I saw the first picture of this movie, I expected to finally see quiet yet elegant and wise heroine. Someone that introverts can find relatable. But we got just another adorkable main character 🤦♀️
What I hated the most was how the dialogue is so kitschy and try-hard at being hip and modern. Look at how timeless the characters talk in Tarzan, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid etc. even Aladdin and Mulan with Mushu and Genie being comedic feels less rooted in a specific time. And Genie was literally parodying pop culture. Asha’s “omg I’m so awkward” thing is just a tired cliche and the King’s whole thing with flexing using “modern slang” was very cringeworthy. They were both not great characters.
Disney used to write so many compassionate, brave, multifaceted and layered women. I understand the want to bring more female lead stories, but the thing is that the company has already written so many women that people love and many of them are diverse women. You guys already did it but the difference is that you made them talk, act and behave like real and believable people. With Asha, I have no idea what she stands for or what her personality is. She more often than not comes across as the unreasonable one rather than the one who is right.
I think Asha leans too much into the ever popular female revolutionary trope, but most Disney princesses are actually survivors, not revolutionaries. They don't strive to change the world. They're just trying to make the best of their situations.
The worst part is how hard they had to overcorrect and straight up lie to make Magnifico’s intentions seem evil. He’s completely right about not granting every wish! What about evil wishes? What about wishes that would take away choice/consent from another person (wishing to marry someone who doesn’t love them back). What about people who wish to hurt other people? In Asha’s perfect world, those wishes should have a chance of being granted? Huh? Instead they had to pull the strangest thing where the grandpa’s wish was basically “I want to do something” but the actual IMAGE inside the wish was him innocently playing the guitar. Like, dude. Do you think if grandpa’s wish had been to become a serial killer Asha would have gone on this journey to save his wish?
The fact that Illumination could portray a princess character much better than Disney nowadays is shocking to me. Disney doesn’t understand how to portray their princess characters.
I see it as one of the cons of 3D animation. In the 90's, all the princesses had very distinct looks. Ariel had an oval face and a button nose, Jasmine had a pronounced nose bridge and almond-shaped eyes, Belle had a very elegant heart-shaped face, Pocahontas had small eyes, a diamond-shaped face and a pronounced chin, Mulan had a round face and a small nose etc. In the revival era, almost every female protagonist has the same or similar facial features. Just look at how bland they look in 3D in Ralph Breaks the Internet.
There’s a VAST different from how characters are written NOW VS back in the 90s and early 2000s. Now, there’s no development or anything to relate to. After Rapunzel, they all have the same attitude and adorable personality. It’s lazy writing tbh. But Mirabel from Encanto was actually so good! Even with that personality, she was still herself and you got to see her struggles.
Asha should have been more like Elsa when it comes to personality. Reserved and serious. Would have been a nice change for all these adorkable characters Il
Looking at the concept arts, she is originally going to be reserved and shy, along with the star going to be a curious star boy, which i wish they kept that too
I’d love a protagonist that is uptight and insufferable at first but meets someone that brings out their fun side or willingness to care for others. It’d be an awesome arc to watch.
How about Flynn Riderfrom Tangled? It's been a long time since I've seen it. But I remember Flynn being greedy, loner, and uncaring to others. But in the end after meeting Rapunzel, Flynn becomes caring and was willing to let himself die if it meant Rapunzel gets to live in freedom.
You wanna know what my first reaction was to seeing her? Pocahontas. She even grabbed at her necklace like she did. No originality to her design to make her stand out from the other princesses. Who, in my opinion, are leagues above the women idols they try to push now.
My limited understanding of the movie "Wish" is that Disney at all times took the safest, least challenging decision when it comes to plot or characters in an attempt to appeal to as wide an audience as possible and ended up creating flavourless, textureless mush of the blandest kind. *_When you try to appeal to everyone, you will please no one._*
What if Asha was the princess, Magnifico´s and Amaya´s daughter? Over the years her parents gave her books about astrology after she made it her hobby to charge stars. She learns magic from her dad, not a lot though. She is a clever and elegant girl. However, while Asha is elegant she is also very self absorbed and vain. She´s very quick to judge people for literally everything. When a group of suitors try to talk to her she turns all of them down in rude ways. On her 18th birthday her parents want her to give her father her wish, like everyone else in Rosas. Asha expects them to fulfill her wish at the cremony when the best wishes of people get granted, after all it´s HER birthday, and when they refuse to do so she is shocked and upset. Later that evening Asha sneeks out of the castle and sings about what she wants. Thats when she meets Star who asks her for help, much to her suprise. SHE is the one who need HIS help, or not? Over the course of the story the two get close and Asha learns to care about others. She also realizes that her parents, mainly her father, are using the citizens wishes for personal gain. It is revealed that Magnifico summons Star every time when there is a ceremony and forces him to do what he wants. This is when she realizes that they both do need each others help. At the end Asha is a changed woman, much more caring and responsible.
So...if this movie were to get a sequel (or at least remade in 2D like their original concept was gonna make it out to be) asha would be magnifico and magnifico would be asha (only hopefully with a character arc for asha, whereas magnifico learns nothing and is evil through and through)
I personally blame Frozen and its popularity for how Disney movies are now. Pretty much all of the traits people are sick of with newer Disney films are in there.
Sadly, I agree. Since Frozen Disney has become more "kid-centric" and commercial. It is a shame because when they try they can pull off an Encanto or Moana. I hope they get out of this rut soon.
Frozen started / popularized "a lot" of what people can't stand in modern disney movies. CGI overdose, twist villains, girlbosses, quirky girls, humor mostly for kids or childish millenials, diss at romance and previous disney cliches...They're all in there. They're also in future movies thanks to Frozen's success, but those had good writing or unique elements to make the films stand out (Encanto, Moana). They're just naturally taken to the absolute nadir with Wish, which has horrible writing and nothing unique.
Adorkable can work when a character isn't dry and has a reason to not have their shit together. Asha is the equivalent of a chicken made by somebody who never found out what basting is in this case scenario.
Every time I hear bad things about Wish, i couldn't help but become depressed more and more because Wish could've been Disney's special milestone film celebrating Disney's 100 years of endearing storytelling, innovative animation, and iconic and beloved characters. But, in the end, it turned out to be one of Disney's disappointing efforts. I wanted Wish to be good. I wanted it to be a hit. I wanted it to get Disney back on track and send them to another animation renesance like in the 1990s. But, nope. It just made me lose respect for Disney and made me see the realization that Disney can't make good stories with endearing characters and good writing anymore. They got rid of Bob Chapek, Bob Iger is back, I didn't see any obnoxious political activist pandering nonsense in the movie's marketing and yet Wish turned out to be a disapointing letdown and I don't want to live in a world that Disney's 100th Anniversary was a failure (yeah we had Elemental and Once Upon a Studio. But, those were drops in the bucket in comparison as everything else was a disaster).
Making Asha quirky was a big mistake, it doesn't fit her at all. It would've worked better if she had more of a Belle/Ariel type of personality which I thought she had when I saw her in the teaser trailer.
@@cupcakKe_expresstiana is the best option here cuz she said her father died same for asha but if only they would go far enough in asha’s father then to add him in to make the audience feel bad for her
My issue was this was 1. It looks really cheap and unfinished next to works like Encanto and The Princess and the Frog and 2. It just seems a very generic and boring story. It ends predictably and no one really learns anything. There's nothing wrong with simple stories but you really feel it as a parent at the 1 hour mark.
I may be off on this, but it feels like Disney today, When creating female protagonists, prioritize making them good role models for girls above all else. They make mistakes, they're capable of being tricked or misguided but they don't make REALLY bad choices that they then have to redeem themselves for. Compare Simba's choice to turn his back on his homeland when he's told how much they need him, Aladdin's choice to go back on his promise for his own personal gain, Meg's betrayal of Hercules for her own gain, to Rapunzel's mistake trusting her own manipulative mother, Ana's mistake trusting a secretly manipulative boy, Mirabel misreading what she needs to be for her family, Moana needing to believe in herself. I don't dislike the newer female characters but if I'm right about this theory that what matters most to Disney is that they're good role models from start to finish of a movie, than that feels limiting to the kinds of stories and characters they can create. Also if that's true, than of course they need to make their lead characters "Quirky" and "Clumsy". Giving them tiny flaws here and there makes up for the fact that they don't really have selfish flaws that they need to overcome, and that's most apparent with Asha who has a very easy to see character arc, (Coming to see that the king has a point in looking at the wishes objectively, and equally rather than just wanting everyone to get what they want all the time.)
I would argue mirabel makes some selfish choices too. She literally only had to hug her sister for the prophecy and made a huge deal out of almost refusing to do so. Sure her stubbornness got isabela to open up to her but she also was kinda an asshole that whole scene. Isabela had just admitted a huge secret about how unhappy she was and mirabels reaction was “ok cool can we hug and get this over with?” Even for the first half of their song she’s still just pestering isabela and not listening to how she feels. So whilst a lot of protagonists are designed to be a perfect role model I would say mirabel is more realistic. She’s not a bad person but she also isn’t right all the time and a lot of her own actions had consequences.
I think Asha should have a personality related to the oldest disney Princesses like snow,ella,belle.Actually I loved their elegant,noble,kind,animal loving character a lot.Also a male hero or prince charming is what I expected.Nowadays people think that they were weak so yeah they could also defend them by doing it.If Asha had personality like older ones and dream etc. like new disney Princesses it would represent whole disney in the best way possible in a movie.
Asha: No single person should have control over wishes!
Also Asha: *gains sole control over wishes*
Peak writing Disney almost as good as not being allowed to go Turbo in Wreck it Ralph during the day to being allowed to go Turbo during the day in Ralph Breaks The Internet 🤣
More like “No man should have control over all wishes, but if a woman has control over all wishes then it’s fine”
@@MarvelMTsI’m just waiting for someone to get upset by this comment lol.
@@u_o_me_a_muffin They’ll get P-O’d because they know I’m calling them out on their BS
@@u_o_me_a_muffinYeah that’ll be entertaining
The movie literally gives us no reason to care for her. They tell us her daddy dies but does absolutely nothing with it. It’s not her motivation, it doesn’t leave some trauma or grief or some kinda obstacle she must overcome on a personal journey. There’s no mystery to her, she isn’t a thematic presence in the bigger story, there is no lesson for her to learn here, she’s just a plain, boring protagonist to follow. Disney really dropped the ball with this film imo…
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@@lexramstudios1386 good for you I respect it, but the other like 90% of us don’t. There’s nothing to hook us onto this character.
lmao its actually pretty hilarious that they shoved the dead mom/dad trope in for the hell of it. 😂
@@seashellgarden2227 nothing says 100 years like following on tradition 😂
The issue is her dad DOES motivate her; but motivate her for WHAT? She wants "more for us than this," but what does that mean? This began because Magnifico isn't granting everyone's banal wishes?
Just the female Disney protagonist from the 90's are so diverse in personality, you got Ariel who is curious and naive; Meg who is sassy and funny; Belle who is adventurous and selfless; MULAN who is clumsy but determined (the perfect balance of both releatable and admirable character). Seriously Disney, what happened?!
The women of Disney were never weak or stupid as they have been depicted. That thesis requires you to forget a lot of plot points about their older movies.
Activism and corporate pandering happened...
Well technically is
Asha is Manipulative
They focused on labels instead of individuals
And you have Kira who's also determined, strong and naive all at the same time; Esmeralda who is down to earth, yet she defends what is just. And Anastasia, wait no, still wrong company XD.
Asha could’ve been a elegant yet relatable character, who is so professional, ambitious, optimistic, intellectual, soft-spoken, artistic, dutiful, bookworm-ish and competent yet she comes off as an asocial, insecure, snobbish, vain, and lonely overachiever yet with amateur magic skills, Real struggles of being a princess (such as presenting Rosas in the most deceptively perfect way imaginable) and being a adopted daughter, who wants more power in her life, what’s best for everyone and wishes to be a better monarch, her character arc would becoming less complacent, compliant, then challenging the magical toxic positivity, Mind control, and totalitarianism of the wicked king and queen of Rosas who after abducting her has a Stockholm syndrome relationship with them and had decreed only Royals can practice magic, recognizing the beauty, unconditional, love, humility, simplicity, and fun of life, work smart to make your own wishes come true, improves her own magic, become more a honest about herself, socially confident, courageous, anti-totalitarian, “feminist killjoy/traitor” princess, with the help of her true love Starboy, In the end they are married and crowned the new king and queen of Rosas.
Exactly but instead they had Asha have random moments or extreme quirky-ness and them sudden shifts of absolute seriousness where there were no jokes being made by her. It's like they wanted to make her palatable but also wanted to be able to claim they were subverting from their usual formula.
You just described Tiana hehe which for me Princess and The frog does a better job at honoring the studio legacy and creating a story about wishing on a star. Like they even had a better and more functional tô the plot star character and that star never leaved the Sky haha
It's funny, when I first saw her character design before any trailers dropped, I thought she would be more mature. However, when the second trailer dropped, I was disappointed by her being annoyingly quircky.
Asha would be better if she was a combination of Belle and Tiana, instead of an amalgamation of every single adorkable Disney heroine.
So basically Starboy would be a manic pixie dream boy lol. We need more of those.
I know the adorkable personality was created as a response to the criticism that Disney princesses were way too prim and proper and were an unreachable role model for women but I feel like we overcorrected a little. You don't need to have every protagonist be super lady-like but the adorkable personality should be used only when it makes sense otherwise you do something different, it made sense for Rapunzel and Anna and Mirabel due to their backgrounds, for Asha it makes no sense. She acts as a tour guide of the kingdom, she has seven friends, she got a job as an aprentice to the King, how do you manage to acomplish all these things when you can't go two steps without tripping over your own feet or blurbing out nonsense?
A good example is Moana since she has lots of quirks but we see that she can still be serious and a proper princess. Like think of the song Where You Are that's a great example
I wouldn't call Classic princesses unreachable though. They Just know how to do Chores and be kind. Jasmin is extra street smart, Mulan has tactical skills, Snowwhite and Cinderella are extra caring etc...
It is Just nowadays people forgot how to be proper humans with dignity.
@@moon7shinev150 yeah. Moana is the serious one to counter Maui's trickster and Heihei's stupid on the group, but she still adoring in some way
@@BlackCroft666That’s what charm school is for anyway. If people want help to be like those princesses, it’s certainly out there.
THIS
I’d read somewhere that Asha was originally supposed to be the daughter of King Magnifico and his wife, meaning he’s not just teaching her magic because we needed some way to connect them he’s trying to pass down his role as the wish granting king to his daughter. That could have lead to an interesting storyline where the grandfather has seen the negative changes in his son and wants his son to give up the wish granting power, making the grandfather’s wish that his son will stop granting wishes.
I think a more interesting storyline with the star would have been finding out that Magnifico had captured another star, possibly the Blue Fairy from Pinocchio, and was using its power to grant wishes, so this other star boy comes down to find out what happened to the Star girl and ends up meeting up with Asha and they work together.
She has zero character development. They give her what she wants without losing anything. Her father doesn't count because we, the audience, didn't know him. The king is actually a good person. He only grants the wishes the benefit his kingdom or ones that won't harm his people but Asha stomps over that. If they went with what they originally intended, where Asha was the kings daughter and the queen was evil too, then maybe the story would have been better. How this plot got the green light, I will never know.
I think it's because media has a high demand for female revolutionaries, but Disney princesses are more like survivors.
Another thing that sucks is that even after they defeated king Magnifico, nobody tried to get him the help he clearly needed.
Wait, Asha was the king's daughter? Where?
@@imthebossmermaid3648 That was apparently the original plan.
@@ThePrincessCH Where's the proof?
Personally I would have made Asha be Magnifico and Amaya's actualy daughter because then not only is there real conflict but she would've been the first Disney princess to have her actual parents be villains since all the others have been step parents. (Lady Tremaine, Evil Queen, and Mother Gothel) I also would've given Asha a personality similar to Elsa and Mulan rather than Anna and Rapunzel
I agree
Thank youuuuu!!! That’s exactly what I thought should happen!!!!
@@sailormonet19941 yess
Gothel wasn't a stepparent.
oooh yeah!
Asha's "i want" is basically about other people. We know nothing about her as her.
Mirabel wants a power, Vanellope wants to race, Moana wants to explore, Asha wants...more than this? What is this.
I feel like her "I want" being about all other people could have worked if she was established as a self-sacrificial character or something like that.
I say the fanmade villain song of Asha gave her justice
@@YTNoodle5 Manifico's place in Asha's fanmade villain shows that I believe. Lydia the Bard is really good.
@@cherrylimeali4393 And if the goal was for her to learn to want things for herself. But nooo.
@@imthebossmermaid3648 A lot of people have clung to the idea that she starts wishing to be with the scrapped Starboy character when she meets him.
They forgot the main rule of musicals - when something is too emotional to say it, sing it. When it's too intense for just song, dance and sing. I can't believe Disney forgot it's roots like that. And a love story is way more interesting than this bullshit about wishes, or Raya and dragon stones. Love gives us SO much meaning and motivation. It gives characters the same.
Yes i feel like love is a theme that Disney is becoming too scared to tackle for some reason
Raya was supposed to be about trust and forgiveness. The emotion chosen isn’t any less impactful than a love story. It’s the horrible execution that made it forgettable next to the real Disney classics.
@@davidlantz3302 To me, love and trust is the same thing, or at least stem from the same vein. Frozen is a story about love, too, just a sisterly one. It, also, has it's shortcomings in terms of storyline, execution, and development. Love doesn't have to be done romantically each time. But love DOES need to be present in order to raise the stakes of the characters. If you love someone, you have to trust them. Raya could have grown to love Sisu, or her travel companions. But there is NO love in that story. Just some weird feeling of "these people are helping me," the same feeling that I get from soup donations at a homeless shelter. Its NICE, but it's not love.
Ues but western feminists think love is evil and undermines women😅
I hate that people treat live as a boring theme now, older princesses are criticised for being leading ladies in love stories, despite the fact that love is a universal experience/human need/motivator
Ariana DeBose did her best, but she couldn’t save this terribly written character.
The concept art was what she was sold on. Why Disney changed it is a mystery
@@suezcontours6653every time the concept art looks so good and they change it to “safe” garbage
Dang the actress damn fine ngl
@@suezcontours6653Because they want that $$$$$$$$$$$$$
I feel so bad for her. Also, why would you have her voice a Rapunzel or Anna -esque dorky girl? Given her past work, I think Ariana would be better suited to a fiesty and fiery lady (like Esmerelda or Jasmine) instead.
My three girl cousins age 4, 6, and 10 all disliked the film. They love the older Disney films. Elementary kids are literally talking more about Godzilla Minus One and not Wish. This is the target audience! I have faith in our future generations!
Virgin Disney vs Chad Toho
I hope that generation see animation as a medium too. I'm sick of people pretending that it's not.
That's like saying arts or live-action is for kids.
ELEMENTARY KIDS TALKING ABOUT GODZILLA IS SO BADASS JAJ 🙏
Minus one is the fucking goat man, THE GOAT
@@dxitydevilchildren will always love Godzilla
The more i learn about Wish's ORIGINAL story, art, and ideas, the more l end up HATING the way Wish turned out.
yeah i was so disappointed that Disney didn't go with the concept ideas for this movie
I found Asha boring. She's a nice girl... that's it! Yes she is pretty but not brave like Mulan or adventurous like Kida or kind like Belle. Asha never learns how to fight or protect her freinds and her family. All i knew about her is that her father was dead, her grandpa didn't get his wish granted. Not enough to make me care about her dreams and life. Also, her dress is very similar to Rapuzel's purple dress; she has a goat like Esmeralda AND looks like a fusion of Isaberlla from Encanto (For the face) and Pocahontas for the long flowy hair. Her name is original but not her design 🙁
I think it's because Disney is trying to ride on the coattails of the increasingly popular female revolutionary trope, but Disney princesses aren't really revolutionaries. They're survivors. Unfortunately, that also seems to prompt a lot of the criticisms that these girls lack agency.
Sounds like you decided every character needs to be like Mulan or Kida for some reason.
Disney tried but didn't success with the current movies, like before that's it! No point in complaining, about random films or female characters being not good enough!
It's gotta be AI
Her face looks more like Moana's. Isa has a narrow downturned nose, while Moana and Asha have flat upturned noses.
There were some moments where I genuinely got mad at Asha as a protagonist and while I did like Ariana Debose’s performance of her, Asha’s character didn’t resonate enough with me
Ariana songs really tell another story where Asha is really shut down & neglected since ever.
I feel while Asha acted well, she's written poorly. It feels writers wrote very very safe characters for this movie
@@r3dr4te963 Sure, the problem form this movie is they turned back too safe on antagonists when Asha's decision stills not, and claims some political wills under Disney magic. They make a generalisation between Life goals and real wishes fantasy, and it shows.
I respectfully disagree. Asha is both acted AND written well.
I think a major reason why they changed the Star from a potential boy love interest to a marketable plushy is Disney's recent attempts at depicting anything but a 'traditional romance', or having male characters that 'save' or have some advantage over the female characters.
Cant have a boy with magical powers to swoop in and teach the female protagonist a lesson.
Ugh thats so bs !! Cuz they can totally do a trad romance without portraying the woman as helpless and needing to be rescued. 😞
I think they still could have made it work without being a love story. They could have done something akin to "Lilo and Stitch."
It’s nice when not every Disney princess has a love interest but it’s like they think giving her a love interest would make it “Un-Woke” as though romantic love isn’t a thing that can happen and it’s morally neutral
Furthermore the idea of “if we give a female lead a male love interest it will become misogynistic/unfeminist” is. Worrying. Like they’re under the impression that a woman in a relationship is inherently disempowered or whatever. Like dude who cares
@nessie6899 I would attribute the development of that idea to the rising popularity of the female revolutionary trope, but Disney princesses demonstrate heroism by being survivors, not revolutionaries.
the original ideas were so good, star boy was a shape shifter, he turning into "yellow luma" to hide and pass as some kind of doll so he could get into the castle would still make that plushie and keep him for interactions and plot. Asha should of be an actual princess and her parents the evil super in love queen/king couple, you still end up with her "takind down the government" but at least it would of been more entertaining.
I personally think they could had made Asha related to the royals unknowingly. I mean her father and the king could had been brothers or distant cousins. Like her branch of family (or the very least grandpa) either got kicked out or walked out with the royal family and her quest is her finding out and having to fight against her newfound evil relatives.
@@jfk-t9o sounds like a great motivations! Kinda like the royals made her father dirty and turns out she is a legit princess and her family was supposed to be the one in power. Maybe also add the conection of the father and magic with the stars so Asha becomes the very first one to genuinly wish upon a star.
@@OcioCamaraMx Or it could been the father or grandpa was the first born but then a evil relative made them looked bad or used magic to forget who they really were.
Yesss
Also, the King who is depicted as the villain of the story is the guy who did not force anybody to his island kingdom, made sure that not all wishes were granted because many could either be achieved by the people on their own merit or they would have severe repercussions if they were to occur, and he had pretty much brought peace and prosperity to his people without any consideration for himself. This places himself as a hero whereas Asha tramples over his decisions, thinks he is an unfair person to see that good things should be taken in moderation, and acts for her own selfish interests, which in turn cause so much harm as the king had predicted. Furthermore, because no real lesson is learned, Asha never sees the fact that the King was right from the start or that she should go down a path towards selflessness as a means of bettering the world.
In summary, Asha is the real villain of the narrative.
@inactivehorse9753 the classic Film Theory : The Villain was the Hero all along,
@@littleevsamoyed7130 except that in this case it is accurate lol
@@littleevsamoyed7130or rather the *hero* was the *villain* all along.
Honestly! What if Asha found a way to steal his powers and then grants everyone’s wishes but it goes terribly wrong??? And she has to turn to Magnifico to come back and fix it.
She sucks because she is a non-character, literally. Across the story she doesnt change, she doesnt grow, and she doesnt learn anything... There is nothing there to relate to, and her characeristics like being quirky, doesnt do her any favor. Worse is that the story constructs her to be more of a villain than a heroine... As she brings down what is essentially an Utopia, all for a tantrum (which wasnt worth it because her grandfather had the skills all along to make his wish come true)... Worse is how they went from demonizing Magnifico for deciding who gets their wishes granted and for holding all the power, while Asha is praised for granted every wish and she holding all the power... They went from one extreme to another (not even an extreme as Magnífico's stance on the whole issue was the most reasonable. Making the middle ground), and worse is that there isnt a single reasoning as to why Asha ia a better candidate than Magnífico, if anything she is the worst choice.
Either way this movie is a mess which cant decide what story its trying to tell.
The story isshort bland rushed cut off so she dont has much well plot😂😂😂😂
Yeah maginifico was controlling overprotective but he had a reason wishes can back fire destroy like the book that possesed him he done nothing wrong they had peace for years unlike maginifico fallen to dust ruin kingdom were he was the last survivor thanks to uncontrolable wishes that doomed the past people he has trauma from ithewas complete honest to asha never lied to her
How did a duck… an ILLUMINATION duck, get more character development, then this main character from a DISNEY movie?
I’m genuinely confused
Nawww i know. It’s so sad i really expect more of Disney but at the same time I dont ??
It gets more confusing that an indie animated series, Digital Circus, is more loved and talked about than this Disney movie
@@jc1979af indie animation is definitely on the rise these days. Im not surprised. A lot of good stuff has come out of it, like digital circus and lackadaisy and even helluva boss has better reception than this movie JAJ
I gotta give Illumination some credit. They been doing good lately
And the movie still sucked regardless?
Asha: "You guys just think you're so much better than me!"
*Gwen Stacy, Nimona, Ember*
If we’re putting recent female MC’s, mind if I throw Suzume on there?
Don't forget Mizu.
@@vetarlittorf1807 oh yeah from Blue Eye she was great 👍
Vi from Arcane is also there sitting next to Gwen Stacy
@@Excelsior1937 And Jinx.
I enjoyed the fanarts of Asha and Starboy more than I enjoyed Asha in her movie XD
It like they are afraid it wouldn't have worked
@@CrookedCloverIt really feels like Disney is afraid to give their leads love interests now
I’m so upset that Starboy didn’t make it into the movie. All the concept art and AHHHHH!
@yokaibuster6754 he could have made a great boyfriend for Asha and could have given her a more developed for her character too
And the alternate karaoke concerts I’m giving in private with my niece!
I think it's interesting how the film tried so hard to make King Magnifico entirely irredeemable. Even his wife who had been with him for years was just like: "Well, I guess the evil spell book says he's unsavable, so let's just let trap him in glass forever!" My heart honestly ached for the king at the end. Where if his character had been a woman, they would've redeemed her and probably blamed all her bad actions on some evil man in her life.
You're not wrong, that's exactly what they did with Te'Fiti and Maui.
Also I want evil woman, I want an evil lady that's smart and stays a step ahead and isnt secretly by a more evil and smarter man. Let women be evil and smart and give heroes a run for there money!!!
@khanolval9848
You mean Ursula, Maleficent, Tefiti?
Not to mention he's the most altruistic character ever made, builds an entire kingdom to save people from suffering like he did as a child, doesn't have them pay anything, his motivation for everything is granting wishes and keeping people safe. Like what on earth did the guy do wrong seriously, if anything, it's she who destroyed all that work
Even before the evil spell book came into play, they tried to make him come off as narcissistic by framing all his good deeds as a way for him to maintain his power in his "villain" song and why he needed to be ousted. The problem with that is a) he's still doing all those altruistic things even if it is for selfish reasons, and b) _he made a kingdom where people's wishes come true._ If anything, all of that was an argument for keeping him _in_ power.
I have to side with Magnifico on this one. He created Rosas as a nice place to live where people are happy, and he keeps the peace by controlling the wishes so nobody gets hurt. Sure, he's a bit vain and controlling, but he is the king after all and that's his right.
Now compare the character development in Wish to Puss in Boots 2 for a night and day difference in what you can do with an animated movie.
Exactly 💯
They kept saying he was the "villain" but watching the movie tells us otherwise
YESSSS WOOOOOOOO YESSS
Hes a dam fucking king 😂
Dude, what Magnifico did was not right at all. But the world thinks crookedly now adays, so why does that surprise me?
@@tiffanygwinn1603 what was not right? The people voluntarily came to Rosas and gave him their wishes in exchange for living a peaceful and secure life. They knew full well the terms of the king, they knew that he granted only one wish a month and that not everyone would get their wish. Nobody was held against their will and they could come and go at any time. The king held back the wishes that would be harmful to the peace and security of the community and naturally he would be the one to decide the wish to be granted because he is the king and therefore the lawful authority.
What Asha did is not right. Now she alone controls the wishes and now all wishes, regardless of the danger, will be granted? That's not right
The Disney corporation is their own worse enemy, they continue to censor and restrict the people they hired to do what they're supposed to do. I'm pretty sure that corp Disney knows nothing about writing stories or making characters. They need to let their artist be artist, trust me they know what they're doing obviously.
The fact not only did they get rid of a new potential and never before seen hero couple, they also got rid of the villain couple. Imagine how cool that would be to see the hero couple go against the villan couple. That shit would go so hard.
Also have no doubt they had other cool ideas. But it seems like corporations (not just Disney) wont let artist do their fucking jobs. Too scared to offend the sensitive crowd's that complain about everything. Despite the trash being out these days artist do still exist, and they aren't scared to take risk. But the people above them won't let them do what they need to do.
Remember all the patience and care it went into the little mermaid song 'part of your world?' Remember when the animators went out to china to study the culture for Mulan? Those things no doubt took a lot of time but it was worth it. Now it seems like they can't even have a month to fully flesh out a story. This is why corp Disney needs to focus on the corporation aspect of the business and the writers and animators focus on the actual art.
THIS, THE ARTISTS AND WRITERS ABSOLUTELY DESERVE BETTER!!!! 🗣🗣🗣🗣
This movie utterly reeks of corporate meddling.
Let's have a villain couple be the main antagonists.
NO! Woman can't be true villains. Only the king should be evil. Have the queen rule alone cus GIRL BOSS.
Let's make the villain/hero dynamic complex by having the villain be kind of right about not granting all wishes, giving him a sympathetic origin story and having the female lead lean a lesson.
NO! Modern female leads can't ever be wrong.
Let's have the star be a shapeshifting boy who the female lead falls in love with as they free the wishes.
NO! Depicting heteronormative romance is PROBLEMATIC. REEEEEEEE!
Asha's story should have been her gradually seeing the cracks in the system. The star showing up would he the biggest crack, as maybe she saw Magnifico as all knowing and benevolent even after he denies her request. His hunting of the star would be her first true point to change. The star boy being mute would be a nice reference and reuse of The Little Mermaid, him having to communicate with his hands and powers.
Her being an awkward yet loyal girl who eventually rises up and goes against the system she wanted to he a part of would have been very interesting to watch.
THIS
YES! That reminds me of Across the Spider Verse! 👏👏🥰🥰 A MUCH better animated 2023 film!
To me the biggest issue is she has no real goal or dream of her own. Instead this whole movie is based upon her helping her Grandfathers dream, which was kind of weak to begin with imo. You can't even say her dream was helping others, as most the movie all she cared about was her own Grandpa's dream and no one else's. Working solely for the dream of another could of worked, if she was shown to be closer to her Grandpa but her history was rushed in the extreme to the point we didn't even know her dad was dead till a throw away line later on.
Honestly it would of worked best if her best friend/romantic interest that was a bit older than her had her dream taken and that spurred the movie on. She could of seen her friend's life die as the dream was taken, even remember what the dream was that her friend now can't seem to grasp etc. That would of worked far more than a Grandpa who had a dream like 80 years ago no one can remember.
And that would have made the friends more relevant to the story too...
I feel like so much of the movie could have been fixed if A. Asha wanted to become the Kings appreprentice because her father and the king were close,she sees her father in magnifico so she wants to believe hes doing good and to find out he had been holding the wishes for a selfish purpose would give added depth to her being distraught and give a reason for why Magnifico said he knew him OR B. Asha was the daughter of the king and queen and was born with no magic,she believes that the wishes arent good until she meets starboy who was locked up by her parents and she finds the value in wishes and fun- ANYTHING TO ADD DEPTH
bruh we got a Luma Rip-off instead of a love interest that could have added more?
WEAK DISNEY MOVE
And the first ever disney evil couple with King Magnifico and his queen
Luma squad trashing on a wannabe 😂
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I don’t hate the adorkable lead cliché, but can you please stop making them, Disney! And most importantly, why keep doing so?
Because kids like them? I don't know? I really like Asha
It’s easier on the writers I guess since they ain’t gotta come up with much personality or story
The adorkable girl can stay, but only if it makes sense. It works for Rapunzel and Anna because they never had any social life, unlike Moana, who is adorkable despite being a gifted leader and is in touch with her community. Or Asha, who is very sociable.
@@vetarlittorf1807and mirabel too cuz she feels left out and is often looked down upon because she doesnt powers like her family
Because that's the only personality of the people writing modern movies, know. Because they are all as quirky, entitled and insufferable as Asha.
Asha can easily be described as the standard template for a modern Disney heroine, or modern heroines in general. Let's be honest here, the west only uses two archetypes now for females: headstrong girl boss, and adorable/awkward girl. As long as activists say, that being feminine is something bad, we will never get another motherly figure such as Mrs. Brisby, an innocent, naive girl such as Giselle from Enchanted, a big sister type such as Franky from Foster's Home, a sexy one like Nessa, a clumsy one such as Lola Bunny (Looney Tunes version), an evil and vain one like Gruntilda, a gold digger like Mrs. Tweety, or an animal lover such as Bubbles from the PPGs.
That’s how it be unfortunately. We need more female protagonists like Suzume and Nimona
And I love all those archetypes.
Thank you for mentioning Mrs Brisby I feel like she gets neglected when talking about female characters. Her voice actress did a great job bringing the character to life.
or she could be a villain.
“The woke west”
Names all Western examples
The shows that are everyone agrees are good rep (Spider-Verse, Nimona, Arcane) mostly have “woke” themes
Listen, dudes… it’s not the wokes who’re ruining everything for you. Women, POCs, people in the queer community, etc. want good characters too. It’s the pandering, illiberal corporations that ruin everything for all of us. Target them, not the people trying to live their lives.
As someone who recently passed through children's literature, just the general synopsis and soundtrack was already telling me how bad Aisha was written. Like the story needs to be driven by the protagonists' will and Aisha has no will of her own! She is selfless but without a goal she wants to achieve for herself. The 'I Want' song was literally all about highlighting that very goal, their own dream. And then we're not even talking how on paper, she de-stabilizes a peaceful kingdom because they aren't getting even more privilige despite living in a near utopia. No taxes, no discrimination or crime. As cringy as Magnifico's villain song is, I understand exactly how he feels, but Aisha? How am I supposed to understand wrecking a kingdom out of greed and being rewarded for it?
She’s even worse than the main character from strange word because at least the main character in that movie had A CHARACTER ARC. And Asha doesn’t have one. How bad is that?
Yeah, Clade was just okay at the very least
Agreed and I thought Strange World was terrible 😂
@@NinthShinigami I used to think strange word was ok back when I first saw it, but now I think it is awful.
@@NinthShinigamisame Strange world was a dissapiontment a bit indiana jones travel mixed joznrey under the earth but they had more story
@@NinthShinigamii must say i liked trolls 3 ,ruby and elemental more than wish and strange world 😂😂😂😂😂
Asha: Character that loves to destroy a person (that is mean to her) life. Tells people that the king is such a bad person and manipulating her friends to believe Magnifico lied to them the whole time.
Magnifico never lied. He told Asha people come there willingly to give there wishes and to give in there memories of what they want to be.
That means people aware that there memory of that wish will be removed.
Magnifico didn't steel there wishes because he was a careless evil theif. It's because he once made a Wish that destroyed his homelands. (The angry people) was possibly made up so Asha doesn't get frightened that a wish destroyed his homelands.
He didn't want anything happening again (ALL OF THIS SO THAT DOESNT HAPPEN AGAIN). He knew Asha made that mistake he did.
He was trying desperately to stop that star that Asha was with. Unfortunately he was controlled with his anger by the book and opened it and his soul was consumed and Evil Magic took over his body
Wish: *celebrates a 100 year anniversay by making Asha a girl boss, the star a plushie & annoying but less motivated villains but ended up failed miserably as well as the film*
Walt Disney's Ghost: You have failed me for the last time.
you said exactly what I was thinking. We learn nothing about asha or her own goals and aspirations. We don’t even get time to sympathize with her because her father is so brushed over it feels like she doesn’t have much of a connection with him. Her relationships with her family and friends are hollow. We never see any true obstacles for her. She’s the perfect main character with not a single flaw but flaws are what make characters interesting. They make them feel real. Asha is the first disney protagonist that feels like she doesn’t have a personality. We don’t see her having emotional connections we see her saying she does. She’s quirky and she’s a good person and that’s it. Last protagonists had so much more to them. Talking about who she’s been compared to most mirabel was deeply empathetic she was also rude and snarky and pushy. Rapunzel was naive at times and dismissive. Anna was a romantic but she also rushed into things without considering the consequences. Moana was passionate but she was also headstrong which got her in trouble before maui was even in the picture. Asha has NOTHING. deeply disappointing
Why are NERDS commenting on Disney Princess characters. When did this overlap between Star Wars Theorists and Disney Princess shippers happen? I don't like pointless crossovers. Of course gamers and comic book readers are gonna hate it. It wasn't made for them
@@suezcontours6653 are u ok?
Contrast in particular with Tiana, who's very heavily motivated by her relationship with her father, and that is made clear throughout the movie. Meanwhile Asha's dad is mostly deceased because there's a quota for Disney protagonists lacking at least one parent (Mirabel being an exception, but Alma kinda makes up for it... and Mirabel's parents aren't major characters anyway).
@@insulttothehumanrace3807 ashas dad was a great opportunity to show why ashes so important. If her dad was a philosopher he could have challenged what she knew about wishes taught her about the stars and we could see why her wishing on a star is so poignant. Instead the movie does absolutely none of that
And Magnifico was friends with her father. Means he was a good guy and felt Asha was like a daughter or neice.
I hate how bouncy and squishy the characters look. Its so childish. Disney used to be so elegant and mature.
The fact that Disney lost to a Kaiju movie and a Ghibli movie this year at the box office is hilarious and sad 😂
Both in my top 10 favorite movies of the year. Especially The Boy and The Heron, Miyazaki my favorite director the absolute legend delivered 🔥🔥🔥
Don't forget they also lost to Adam Sandler and the movie Nimona which is a film that Disney canceled
@@moon7shinev150nimona was fro blue sky ice age creators yes but they selled it to Netflix as last project
Well losing to a ghibli movie come on man 😂 it happens. But a monster movie, that's something unseen
@@m0istur well its ghibli so
We literally already Bruce Almighty to show us why just granting everyone’s wishes is a bad idea. Asha is objectively wrong
Another example of why granting everyone’s wishes is bad is Wonder Woman 1984, if I’m not mistaken. 😅
@@xiomysam every time everyone’s wishes are granted in media it goes wrong. Every time. So how am I supposed to route for someone trying to do that?
@@bnsz8704 I have no idea. But when you find a good answer, please share!!
Here’s a good way to look at this whole issue: a good lead is changed by their dynamic/relation/encounter with the antagonist by the end of the story.
Asha is not changed in virtually any way beyond a mild snap out of her “charming derp”and naïveté. On the flip side, because of her, Magnifico goes from a benevolent (if a bit egotistical) king who granted wishes, housed charitably his subjects, and was a loving husband to his wife, to a man desperate to keep things from breaking down as he’s seen before with untamed magic to the point where he resorts to magic that perverts just to keep things in a form of check that served everyone so well up until she showed up. She’s the villain who won! From the moment she learns how things in Rosas works: her family goat is no longer useful to its purpose (no slaughter, sale, or as a beast of burden) because it’s now sapient; the people are now disenfranchised to a great many things; the queen is no longer a loyal, caring woman to her spouse but bitter and unforgiving; and the kingdom is now doomed to have her incompetent ass playing judge on who gets their wishes and who doesn’t. And the worst part is, beyond that one lady who wanted to fly, every wish we’re made privy to in the film are all generic enough that they could come true by merely getting off one’s own ass and working for it!🤨
The trailer made it seem like the star was gonna come down because of her and start wantonly granting wishes proving to her the king was actually right and wishes can’t always come true because they can be dangerous or reckless. But nope, it only turns a bunch of animals in the immediate vicinity into whimsical talking critters just for a shitty song and then just tags along like a puppy until giving her the king’s job before leaving back to the night sky. In every revolution, the outcome is to go from one tyrant to another.
I think the plot could have worked without making Star and Asha lovers. They could have done a Disney princess version of "Lilo and Stitch."
Tiana is by far the best princess that knew how to handle a Wish from a Star
I know Kuzco from The Emperor's New Groove started out as a villain and was redeemed at the end. But what if there is a protagonist who is a villain through and through ? In that case, Asha, whose motivation seems more questionable than heroic.
Kuzco didn't start as a villain, he was a narcissistic and selfish emperor sure, but he wasn't "pure evil" but by the end of the movie he learned to be more humble and more respectful to his people.
@@inactivehorse9753 well he did have an old man crucified every week but that's about it
@@marley7868dude, no he didn’t. The worst we saw him do in the movie was have Rudy tossed out a window (also wanting to tear down Pacha’s village to make a summer home but he never actually _did_ that), when did he have a guy crucified? Unless you got Rudy getting tangle in the flag pole mixed up with crucifixion in which case I applaud the way your mind works 🤣🤣🤣
@@LadyLeomon crucifixion was not usually done with nails instead you were fastoned in with rope so yes making an old man hang till someone feels like freeing him every week is bad granted the old man took it well
@@marley7868 no. Kuzco had one of his guards toss Rudy out the window, after which he ended up tangled up in the flag-pole, no way in hell was that on purpose, what you’re calling a crucifixion was a total accident
I wouldn’t she’s bad or the worst, she more of the same characters we’ve been seeing in the last few years.
well with all those past heroines they each had distinct qualities as well. They were quirky to an extent but they had more to them. Asha doesn’t. She doesn’t have flaws or even her own goal she is a mouthpiece for the message and nothing more. A perfect protagonist that does no wrong
THE MOST FRUSTRATING PART IS TO SEE WHAT WE COULD HAVE HAD. The sketches of concept art and stuff is so amazing!
the queen was gonna be a twist villian, we couldve had a evil duo
The Starboy... 😢
My girlfriend is a huge disney fangirl,and i was really into it too. And i was disinterested the whole movie,and my girlfriend who remembers everything disney forgot about the villian's and most of the character's names in a week,which shows how forgettable it was.
After seeing the star boy and the evil power couple villains concept art,fellas we've been robbed of a good movie due to disney's recent obsession equating romance to weakness
What bothers me is how shes portrayed as this good and kind girl, when she isnt, shes just a selfish spoiled brat. Which would be fine if that was the point of her character, like with Kuzco, and she develops and becomes better by the end of the film, but the story is contantly acting as if shes in the right.
The only reason for her to be the king's apprentice was because she wanted to get her grandpa's wish granted. Not everyone's, ONLY her grandpa's. She knows very well the rules of the kingdom about all that, but she still thought she could slime her way to get an exception for her own benefit (her family's at least), which wasnt even like, her grandpa was dying or something, his wish was extremely vague, and its not like he wouldnt be able to do it without it right? I mean, did his "wish to inspire people with music" would grant him some sort of siren powers? Because how exactly would a wish make a difference unless you dont want to put in the effort to learn how to play and how to write songs?
The only reason she decides to OVERTHROW THE MONARCHY, was because Magnifico wasnt going to budge, so instead of finding a middle ground or another solution, she throws a temper tantrum, breaks the hopes of her grandpa and decides to break in a castle and steal everything. And how exactly is she supposed to be the hero here?
Her song makes it seem like she and the kingdom are miserable, when everyone INCLUDING her family, are all genuenly happy. What exactly do they have to complain about? They dont pay taxes, 12 wishes get granted every year....there isnt a problem. The only reason its suddently horrible is because Asha didnt get what SHE wanted.
Never mind that her and her friends make fun of one of their friend's wishes, then feel all hurt when the guy has enough and betrays them.
“We were on the verge of greatness.”
“We were this close.”
I mean, they could have had something like the source of Magnifico's wish-granting power was him stealing magic from the stars or something, and when Star comes into the movie we see it's a cute little Disney companion or even the magic prince... but now Magnifico wants to capture him and drain all his power or something to make Magnifico stronger once more. So Magnifico could actually be a villain in that he's totally willing to steal magic from star people to grant his wishes, and we see he isn't even that fond of granting wishes to his own people unless it benefits him.
Then as Asha goes on a journey with Star and learns about how shifty Magnifico has been and defeat him, they reach some compromise where Asha and Star run the kingdom and use Star's power and Asha's humanity to properly run the kingdom without making promises they can't keep. "We know we won't be able to make everyone's wishes come true, but we make sure the kingdom and it's people have what they need." or something like that as opposed to an Evil Magnifico only promising to grant wishes, but really only granting ones that would benefit himself and ignoring bigger problems or whatever.
I am in the process of rewriting the plot of this movie. I have a google doc and everything, and so far I can say that Asha would have been infinitely better if they had done one single thing with her:
Make her Magnifico's stepdaughter. Make her mother the queen, and give her this goal to try and build up a relationship with her new stepfather in an attempt to give him the apprentice/heir he never had.
Then, when that budding relationship with Magnifico is forced to crumble, we get a tribute to villains like the Evil Queen and Lady Tremaine, and also this really satisfying sucker punch right in the feels!
I give it a month before Asha's misrule of the kingdom (or at least, of the wishes) leads to the kingdom and the waters around it being set on fire, the magnificent buildings being reduced to rubble, gravity selectively breaking down so that the ruins sometimes float in the air, and for a gigantic black hole with great green tentacles coming out of it to have formed in the sky, which hovers menacingly over the kingdom at all times, while the stars over Rosas fall every night, leading the sky to grow blacker and blacker with each passing day, as the black hole gets closer and closer. No one knows just how close it is, but hungry roars can be heard from the hole now, and they're getting louder.
"We tried putting the fires out with water, but that only makes them burn hotter."
A pity they got rid of the ONE PERSON in the entire kingdom who knew how to actually work reality-warping magic.
Simon's betrayal makes NO sense and the resolution to it is stupid too. Ir's also strange that the whole apprentice position plot line is just dropped after Asha messes it up. It would make so much sense if after his friends all shit on him for having changed after giving up his wish, he gets motivated to apply to the apprentice job right after Asha does. Magnifico, still angered over his interaction with Asha, is refreshed by his general lack of interest in magic and hires him. Then when he gets his wish granted, yes it's to fuck with Asha, but there is plausible deniability because Simon is the apprentice now. Then when he gets mind controlled, or does it even need to be mind controlled? His wish was to be a loyal knight for Rosas, so he's automatically on the King's side and rats them out. You know, the problem with poorly worded wishes? Wishes can have consequences! That's a concept you's think would be in a movie about wishes but strangely isn't. It was in goddamned Aladdin over 30 years ago!
"We root for Asha because the fact king is a bad guy who *only grants wishes that he deems are good for Rosas* which isn't explained well."
What a villain? Are we sure we aren't following an 'evil' or at least selfish protagonist?
All they needed to do was make her dad dying a bigger deal. Like she could’ve had to learn how to function with grief and that carrying on isn’t disrespectful to the dead. Boom, much better character.
So if I wish for Cthulhu to rise and destroy humanity, and that's my dream, and I want it with all my heart, Asha will grant my wish, right?
In a flourishing kingdom, our main narcissist wishes for "more than this."
Weak and unmemorable.
The storytellers of these Disney films show really take notes on how the protagonists in recent Disney shows like Amphibia and The Owl House should be written.
Heck, even the main character from The Ghost and Molly McGee is a better example. Molly herself is the typical quirky optimistic heroine, but what's refreshing about her is how the show isn't afraid to make her take Ls with how she handle certain situations. She's basically the better version of Chole from The Fairly Oddparents.
I can't believe that some of my friends love her 💀 They even say she's the best Disney heroine
I’m respecting of opinions but that is just ridiculous imo. Mulan, Kida, and Moana are three that immediately come to my head that are infinitely better…
@@NinthShinigami I know!
EXCUSE ME WHAT?!?
Bruh your friends have terrible tastes in film
@@SIMBA-tq2ch well we can’t really deduce that from this one take… it’s a pretty savage and hot take tho 💀
I'm so tired of modern Disney protagonist with the same cliche of "Quirky girl who is different than the others and talk back to the adults around them" these days.
The last time it worked was Moana, and for me, she was the last good Disney Princess.
Remember when Disney Princess has their own personalities?
-Snow White is caring
-Aurora is naive because she's been raised by the fairies in the forest most of her life
-Cinderella is hard working
-Belle is a booksmart
-Ariel is curious about how it feels being a human
-Mulan is a fighter
-Jasmine is standing up for herself
-Pocahontas is wise
-Megara or Meg is sassy
-Esmeralda is using her charm and bravery
-Tiana is a hard working girl to have her own restaurant
-Rapunzel wants to know how outside world look like and also has a passion of art
-Elsa is insecure at first but she later embraces her true power
-Anna is quirky and talkative but still caring
-I know she's not from Disney but Brave is from Pixar which is also part of Disney, Merida is rebellious and likes to do something different.
Tiarna is a hardworker and aims for her goals
Asha is such a nothingburger of a character, Mirabel is a similar type of character but she actually works because Encanto is about generational trauma, she's socially isolated and she has to deal with the conflict of family, it's like this movie doesn't even know who Asha is because she is so cookie cutter
Mirabel also had way more to her! by the second song you realize she’s actually deeply unhappy and desperate for a change and it’s not something random and vague like “this” it’s a miracle. A miracle so that she can prove her worth because the movie has been showing you up until that point how dedicated she is and how proud she is of her family. Ashas I want song is so vague does asha herself even know what it’s about?? not to mention mirabel also has empathy, emotional intelligence, overly persistent and snarkiness to her personality. She feels developed whilst asha feels half baked.
@@lilac3266 Mirabel tries to be funny and energetic to make up for her insecurities for being “that one giftless kid” in her family. Her awkwardness makes sense cuz although she tries to act relatable and happy, she doesn’t have actual confidence AND THAT’S THE POINT. IT CONNECTS TO THE STORY OF HOW GENERATIONAL TRAUMA GETS HIDDEN. If Mirabel didn’t have that kind of personality, the story will change completely since her personality reflects it. Meanwhile Asha can literally have any personality besides being quirky and it will still add nothing to the story, cuz that’s how badly written the movie is.
@@musikyleproductions2488 exactly mirabel has nothing to make her stand out amongst a family of gifted people. She had to rely on her personality to get by. It’s a coping mechanism for her.
Here's a short pitch if anyone is interested :D (inspired from all of the lovely and creative commentors, fan theories, rewrites and of course original concepts!)
They could've made Asha a killjoy character - a grumpy character that does not believe in the wishes or anything to do with the magic and what not, why? Because not only did the magic were the cause of her father's death but her wish was the root of it. And in result because of this trauma she condemmed anything to do with the wishes and sworned off any magic of happiness due to her internal guilt, but deep down, she still cared for Rosa just as much as she cared for her mother and grandfather. So throughout her growth, she was outcasted and deemed to be the grumpiest person of the town, whilst the king and queen strive to be kindest rulers and this is where of course the writers could chose to bring out more of her flaws in the sense that she even has demonstrations started to hate/complain on the wishes, which distrupts the ceremonies. She stayed as so until a star appeared infront of her. A star that did not leave her be and even turned into a wish she had deep inside her heart. A friend. The star became a star boy. Abit cliche with the opposite attract thing but if Disney is recyling and taking inspirations form their older love stories, than i feel like this concept albeit common, could still pretty well. Cause with more details and depths of developement brought upon the characters, automatically you would get a deeper meaning to the tropes.
So in this case ideas like plot-twisting, not only having the rulers being a power-villain couple but also they were Asha's original parents. The wish that Asha made to save her dad could easily have been twisted by Magnifico to kill him instead, but why does he want him dead you ask?
Maybe the father knew too much of their history or maybe they found out that their child was still alive, as the father as a huntsman did not kill Asha but brought her up as his own as his wife could not have children (nod to snowhite). Due to their narcistic tendencies, Magnifico was easily swayed by his queen's wants to want Asha dead, as she could not bear having to be dethroned by her offsprings in due time.
And dun, dun, dun, another plotwist, maybe coming to the end of the love song we found out that starboy is not who he seems to be... he was actually working under Magnifico with an order to hypnotize Asha into being "happy" because they didn't want a defiant in their kingdom. And their biggest plan is too of course make their entire kingdom to continue believeing in them and turn "zombie-like" to their commands.
Edit: Here's more ideas regarding the other side characters;
- While I don't mind "Disnified" characters, but I do miss the more realistic looking animal sidekicks they use to have - and specifically for Valentino, I don't mind his look but it would have been interesting to see him being more than just lamb looking goat, maybe a goat smaller for his age (e.g. dwarfism) which explains his deep voice but also potentially highlight his development throughout the story of wanted to wish to be heathier (although not always there are alot of animals with dwarfism having all sorts of health conditions, making then more vunerable and need more attention). This could maybe also to show the bond between him and Asha, is that she accepts him for who he is no matter his condition. Basically giving him more complexity. I def don't mind only having him to be the maind sidekick as we would have more room to focus.
- Moving on to the Seven Teens, I could def see the potential here as well! Each characters as well having diffrent ethnicities were pretty cool to tie in the diversity knot (the cultural stuffs are def another rabbit hole to geg into) and paying homage to disney's classic "Snow White". Although i did chuckle when i remembered where else I've seen the scenario at... Snow White Live Action (the teaser if you know, you know)... classic Disney being a copy-mouse of themselves. Story-telling wise i wouldn't mind if the diversity and inclusivity as well include more health and disabilities as how the Seven Teens were started as but not finished. As plots and characters were rushed, all them felt more of back-up singers and dancers than the band they could've been, because even the movie itself, felt like music videos strewn together. E.g. Safi could've had more moments than just sneezing, being the character that maybe suffers from alot of allergies, maybe in the Magnifico cookie scene, Dahlia made sure to bake a batch specifically for him, maybe he is still an animal lover or enthusiasts despite the health issues he will suffer upon just meeting them.
- Scenarion pitch: if we are going with grumpy version of Asha, it would be interesting if we see her learning how to make friends, and who to better start with than the most welcoming bunch. Maybe she learned more and more about the meaning of gratefulness or acceptance through the hardships of others without the means of magic or wishes (accepting hardships if you will) and that she is not alone in feeling heavy emotions like guilt. On a more specific hypothetical note, I thought the scene of Asha and Starboy dueting could begin in a sadder tone, when Asha ran away crying after her mother revealed who was her original parent (Magnifico and Amaya). Overwhelmed with emotions and having a panic attack she ran into the forest, with Starboy following suit. He then found her by the tree, where she use to sit with her father. He began to sing "at all cost" in a way to bring her father back to her, but also embracing the vunerable version of her, as maybe throughout the story Asha had been a very hard-shelled person, that prefers protecting others than herself.
Also I think the "fairy-god mother" concept could potentially work really well in this story. Since disney is known to bring in alot of fairy-like figures that supports and help the heros/heroines throughout their journey. Maybe Wish could have been a lore/myth to how the fairy god parents came to be, starting from Asha as the first to take the mantel to her kingdom.
I know
The big thing too is they tell us her personality. The characters like the Queen tell us Asha is generous for example they don’t show it.
For Anna they showed she’s Naive from her interactions with Hans.
For Rapunzel they showed us she’s curious from the way she interacts with world around her outside of the tower.
For Mirabel they show her insecurity with her interactions with towns folk.
They also give us little to no character development or inner conflict whatsoever. She learns nothing, she changes nothing about herself, we know little about her goals. And the villain guy? Seriously they wanted a traditional villain but they presented him as more understandable and reasonable than the protagonist.
The more I here of the original ideas from Asha being Magnifico and the Queen’s daughter to the star being her male love interest the more upset I am because it’s obvious they throw away these ideas because Disney is just cowardly because they throw away all kinds of ideas and censor their artists for the sake of not offending anyone.
When you create art from movies to books to songs to paintings you will ALWAYS run the risk of offending someone. So what do you do? Not make art? Censor your art and change it so much to the point it’s so generic so no one will be offended? No!
You use common sense to see if the potential offense is worth making the art and most of the time it is. Having her have a male love interest doesn’t mean it shows the message of anti feminism and girls needs guys to save them. And then you make your art and if people get offended of something.. oh well, if it’s reasonable listen but most of the time nowadays it’s not reasonable.
Disney doesn’t make art anymore
She feels like if someone saw Rapunzel, Moana, Anna and Mirabel and tried to replicte them all without understanding what made them so charming in the first place
if Star had actually been a magical Starboy love interest, this would have been so much better. I see him as a mix of a Peter Pan tinkerbelle and Jack Frost from rise of the guardians
I personally think Bob Iger and his executive buddy cronies need to be replaced as soon as possible because not only do they have no clue to how to run the company creativitely, but also due to overworking their employees studios to meet ridiculous deadlines.
While there are those artists and animators that can work insanely fast with great affect, it cannot even save bad stories and the consequences becomes painfully obvious with those with at least eyes and ears.
There are elements of an amazing movie I could see, from the exploration of Wishes, Magnifico, Amaya and even Asha, and they took the safest route which is an absolute dud.
Seriously, Disney. Get some people running the company who at least has been in creative projects before as CEO like Alex Hirsch, Byron Howard, Bill Motz, Dana Terrance etc.
Like if creatives were to run Disney, we'd be in a brighter era for the company where they could thrive better than ever with of course, some smart and respectful business people at least as smart as Chris Melandandri and Jason Blum while letting animators and artists cook great stories.
Reduced budgets that are $100m-$130m on an animated film I'd take any day if the film is good quality on it's own compated to $200m budgeted messes of movies anyday, Look at Across the Spiderverse for example, that film looks absolutely stunning and it only costed $100m-$150m, plus it was a masterpiece of a film.
The Super Mario Bros Movie is an effective example, we got fantastic advertisement that tells what the concept is about, it gives you the summary you need to know, what to expect and what to get excited for, while a memorable and enjoying film on top of that, it was a massive success.
I hope Disney changes asap because if they do not, I cannot see them lasting even another decade.
You'd get more from the story of Magnifico was the protagonist who had to battle his own ego and vices. Asha doesn't even need to be a character. Just have a story of a king who wanted to give to much by granting the desires of others, but it comes at the detriment of their kingdom as turns out, granting everyone's wish isn't a good thing. When he finds himself a wishing star that can go what he does, allow it to paint his perspective on his wish magic and take a step back from granting the needs of other and focus on his own life. It would then make more sense if he were to pass on his role as a grand wizard to someone else (maybe a young kid named Yen Sid) and organically tie together what is meant to be an unofical origin story to all disney movies
Asha's the actual villain of the movie. Magnifico was driven to desperate measures and was possessed by an evil spirit in a book. Everything would be fine if not for Asha. She has no idea how to handle the reality-warping magic of what is basically a toned-down version of the D&D spell wish. I'd give Rosas about a month before it's on fire and they're going to beg for their rightful king and founder to return.
She's not a villain she's just poorly written like all the other characters
@@afrolens9532 Just look at it from a practical point of view. Magnifico was the only one who knew what he was doing. They replaced Einstein with a freshman in undergrad.
@@Aristocles22
Practically he shouldn’t have told all this to an intern or apprentice. Practically he should have had assistants from the start to help him out
Again no one is written well in this movie. Their motivations are all up in the dust
It might've been better if her dad was still alive, but was really sick, and her wish was to heal him. And as she goes on through the movie, she also begins to see all the other people who's wishes will never be granted. This would be her motivation, her i want. Which would be better for the "I Want" song, which is really vauge in the movie. This would give a greater connection to the main character, and make the main confict more impactful and interesting.
I personally think they could had made Asha related to the royals unknowingly. I mean her father and the king could had been brothers or distant cousins. Like her branch of family (or the very least grandpa) either got kicked out or walked out with the royal family and her quest is her finding out and having to fight against her newfound evil relatives.
It does not sound good but they could have fixed it by having something else take the wishes and more but king stopped it. Then her wish messes it up and maybe even have the "wish eater" to pressure her into it.
That would not happen since the king is a straight, while male so he need to be a villain or a joke. Also Asha would need a flaw.
exactly flaws would have made her compelling. We never see any obstacles for her either everything just happens so easily
Im super dissapointed. Asha has such an amazing character design and I actually like the "adorkable" trope but she just fell flat and is a nothing character and i in fact agree with Magnifico's reasons for what he does before he turned evil.
I agree! Her character design is so cute! They did her "personality" so wrong 😭. (And like, most if the movie XD)
When I saw the first picture of this movie, I expected to finally see quiet yet elegant and wise heroine. Someone that introverts can find relatable. But we got just another adorkable main character 🤦♀️
Although “thrusted” exists, it’s much more common to use “thrust” in both present and past tenses. Great video!
Well, at least the most forgettable Disney Princess. That's for sure
What I hated the most was how the dialogue is so kitschy and try-hard at being hip and modern. Look at how timeless the characters talk in Tarzan, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid etc. even Aladdin and Mulan with Mushu and Genie being comedic feels less rooted in a specific time. And Genie was literally parodying pop culture. Asha’s “omg I’m so awkward” thing is just a tired cliche and the King’s whole thing with flexing using “modern slang” was very cringeworthy. They were both not great characters.
Disney used to write so many compassionate, brave, multifaceted and layered women. I understand the want to bring more female lead stories, but the thing is that the company has already written so many women that people love and many of them are diverse women. You guys already did it but the difference is that you made them talk, act and behave like real and believable people.
With Asha, I have no idea what she stands for or what her personality is. She more often than not comes across as the unreasonable one rather than the one who is right.
I think Asha leans too much into the ever popular female revolutionary trope, but most Disney princesses are actually survivors, not revolutionaries. They don't strive to change the world. They're just trying to make the best of their situations.
The worst part is how hard they had to overcorrect and straight up lie to make Magnifico’s intentions seem evil. He’s completely right about not granting every wish! What about evil wishes? What about wishes that would take away choice/consent from another person (wishing to marry someone who doesn’t love them back). What about people who wish to hurt other people? In Asha’s perfect world, those wishes should have a chance of being granted? Huh?
Instead they had to pull the strangest thing where the grandpa’s wish was basically “I want to do something” but the actual IMAGE inside the wish was him innocently playing the guitar. Like, dude. Do you think if grandpa’s wish had been to become a serial killer Asha would have gone on this journey to save his wish?
The fact that Illumination could portray a princess character much better than Disney nowadays is shocking to me. Disney doesn’t understand how to portray their princess characters.
Shut up
All i see, is a blackwashed version of Rapunzel with some changes.
And both are from the same studio!
Creative bankruptcy at its finest
@@Shiggy8 yep! Seeing a rip-off from the same studio is really an achievement.
You mean Mixedwash.
Asha👩🏽 ain't Black👩🏿...
Mixed character's real or fictional, are still not Black...
I see it as one of the cons of 3D animation.
In the 90's, all the princesses had very distinct looks. Ariel had an oval face and a button nose, Jasmine had a pronounced nose bridge and almond-shaped eyes, Belle had a very elegant heart-shaped face, Pocahontas had small eyes, a diamond-shaped face and a pronounced chin, Mulan had a round face and a small nose etc.
In the revival era, almost every female protagonist has the same or similar facial features.
Just look at how bland they look in 3D in Ralph Breaks the Internet.
@@vetarlittorf1807 i felt the same with cartoons in general, lots of them have the same things from Steven Universe..
There’s a VAST different from how characters are written NOW VS back in the 90s and early 2000s. Now, there’s no development or anything to relate to. After Rapunzel, they all have the same attitude and adorable personality.
It’s lazy writing tbh. But Mirabel from Encanto was actually so good! Even with that personality, she was still herself and you got to see her struggles.
I can't believe this movie is getting nominated, hollywood really has nothing going for it these recent years.
Asha should have been more like Elsa when it comes to personality. Reserved and serious. Would have been a nice change for all these adorkable characters Il
Looking at the concept arts, she is originally going to be reserved and shy, along with the star going to be a curious star boy, which i wish they kept that too
I’d love a protagonist that is uptight and insufferable at first but meets someone that brings out their fun side or willingness to care for others. It’d be an awesome arc to watch.
How about Flynn Riderfrom Tangled? It's been a long time since I've seen it. But I remember Flynn being greedy, loner, and uncaring to others. But in the end after meeting Rapunzel, Flynn becomes caring and was willing to let himself die if it meant Rapunzel gets to live in freedom.
Tiana was kind of like this
You wanna know what my first reaction was to seeing her? Pocahontas. She even grabbed at her necklace like she did. No originality to her design to make her stand out from the other princesses. Who, in my opinion, are leagues above the women idols they try to push now.
My limited understanding of the movie "Wish" is that Disney at all times took the safest, least challenging decision when it comes to plot or characters in an attempt to appeal to as wide an audience as possible and ended up creating flavourless, textureless mush of the blandest kind.
*_When you try to appeal to everyone, you will please no one._*
In fact Asha is a villain.
No she’s just a poorly written character like all the other characters
What if Asha was the princess, Magnifico´s and Amaya´s daughter? Over the years her parents gave her books about astrology after she made it her hobby to charge stars. She learns magic from her dad, not a lot though. She is a clever and elegant girl. However, while Asha is elegant she is also very self absorbed and vain. She´s very quick to judge people for literally everything. When a group of suitors try to talk to her she turns all of them down in rude ways.
On her 18th birthday her parents want her to give her father her wish, like everyone else in Rosas. Asha expects them to fulfill her wish at the cremony when the best wishes of people get granted, after all it´s HER birthday, and when they refuse to do so she is shocked and upset. Later that evening Asha sneeks out of the castle and sings about what she wants. Thats when she meets Star who asks her for help, much to her suprise. SHE is the one who need HIS help, or not?
Over the course of the story the two get close and Asha learns to care about others. She also realizes that her parents, mainly her father, are using the citizens wishes for personal gain. It is revealed that Magnifico summons Star every time when there is a ceremony and forces him to do what he wants. This is when she realizes that they both do need each others help. At the end Asha is a changed woman, much more caring and responsible.
asha sounds more like kuzco in your version
so.... she became Magnifico. She became the one that decides who gets their wishes granted.
So...if this movie were to get a sequel (or at least remade in 2D like their original concept was gonna make it out to be) asha would be magnifico and magnifico would be asha (only hopefully with a character arc for asha, whereas magnifico learns nothing and is evil through and through)
Shes the embodiment of every stereotype of Gen Zs and the alphabet mafia. Everything is about Feelings, no logic.
Magnifico: Vague wishes can be dangerous.
Asha: Wishes everyone had more than "this." *Chaos ensues.*
I personally blame Frozen and its popularity for how Disney movies are now. Pretty much all of the traits people are sick of with newer Disney films are in there.
Sadly, I agree. Since Frozen Disney has become more "kid-centric" and commercial. It is a shame because when they try they can pull off an Encanto or Moana. I hope they get out of this rut soon.
Frozen started / popularized "a lot" of what people can't stand in modern disney movies. CGI overdose, twist villains, girlbosses, quirky girls, humor mostly for kids or childish millenials, diss at romance and previous disney cliches...They're all in there. They're also in future movies thanks to Frozen's success, but those had good writing or unique elements to make the films stand out (Encanto, Moana). They're just naturally taken to the absolute nadir with Wish, which has horrible writing and nothing unique.
I can't believe Disney denied everyone the tumblr sexyman starboy and left it in the concepts
#wewererobbed
Adorkable can work when a character isn't dry and has a reason to not have their shit together. Asha is the equivalent of a chicken made by somebody who never found out what basting is in this case scenario.
Every time I hear bad things about Wish, i couldn't help but become depressed more and more because Wish could've been Disney's special milestone film celebrating Disney's 100 years of endearing storytelling, innovative animation, and iconic and beloved characters. But, in the end, it turned out to be one of Disney's disappointing efforts. I wanted Wish to be good. I wanted it to be a hit. I wanted it to get Disney back on track and send them to another animation renesance like in the 1990s. But, nope. It just made me lose respect for Disney and made me see the realization that Disney can't make good stories with endearing characters and good writing anymore. They got rid of Bob Chapek, Bob Iger is back, I didn't see any obnoxious political activist pandering nonsense in the movie's marketing and yet Wish turned out to be a disapointing letdown and I don't want to live in a world that Disney's 100th Anniversary was a failure (yeah we had Elemental and Once Upon a Studio. But, those were drops in the bucket in comparison as everything else was a disaster).
Making Asha quirky was a big mistake, it doesn't fit her at all.
It would've worked better if she had more of a Belle/Ariel type of personality which I thought she had when I saw her in the teaser trailer.
I thought she would be like tiarna or pocahontas but i agree with belle and ariel
@@cupcakKe_expresstiana is the best option here cuz she said her father died same for asha but if only they would go far enough in asha’s father then to add him in to make the audience feel bad for her
My issue was this was 1. It looks really cheap and unfinished next to works like Encanto and The Princess and the Frog and 2. It just seems a very generic and boring story. It ends predictably and no one really learns anything. There's nothing wrong with simple stories but you really feel it as a parent at the 1 hour mark.
I may be off on this, but it feels like Disney today, When creating female protagonists, prioritize making them good role models for girls above all else. They make mistakes, they're capable of being tricked or misguided but they don't make REALLY bad choices that they then have to redeem themselves for.
Compare Simba's choice to turn his back on his homeland when he's told how much they need him, Aladdin's choice to go back on his promise for his own personal gain, Meg's betrayal of Hercules for her own gain,
to Rapunzel's mistake trusting her own manipulative mother, Ana's mistake trusting a secretly manipulative boy, Mirabel misreading what she needs to be for her family, Moana needing to believe in herself.
I don't dislike the newer female characters but if I'm right about this theory that what matters most to Disney is that they're good role models from start to finish of a movie, than that feels limiting to the kinds of stories and characters they can create.
Also if that's true, than of course they need to make their lead characters "Quirky" and "Clumsy". Giving them tiny flaws here and there makes up for the fact that they don't really have selfish flaws that they need to overcome, and that's most apparent with Asha who has a very easy to see character arc, (Coming to see that the king has a point in looking at the wishes objectively, and equally rather than just wanting everyone to get what they want all the time.)
I would argue mirabel makes some selfish choices too. She literally only had to hug her sister for the prophecy and made a huge deal out of almost refusing to do so. Sure her stubbornness got isabela to open up to her but she also was kinda an asshole that whole scene. Isabela had just admitted a huge secret about how unhappy she was and mirabels reaction was “ok cool can we hug and get this over with?” Even for the first half of their song she’s still just pestering isabela and not listening to how she feels. So whilst a lot of protagonists are designed to be a perfect role model I would say mirabel is more realistic. She’s not a bad person but she also isn’t right all the time and a lot of her own actions had consequences.
I think Asha should have a personality related to the oldest disney Princesses like snow,ella,belle.Actually I loved their elegant,noble,kind,animal loving character a lot.Also a male hero or prince charming is what I expected.Nowadays people think that they were weak so yeah they could also defend them by doing it.If Asha had personality like older ones and dream etc. like new disney Princesses it would represent whole disney in the best way possible in a movie.
I still don’t get why the king is the villain like why would he grant a wish that’s vague or would be bad for the people?
"The star was initially intended to become her love interest."
At which point they decided romance isn't suitable for "modern audiences."