I agree. I feel right at home in it. I do miss some software though (mainly eagleplayer). I can off course emulate 68k amigasoftware in it, but it's.not the same.
Regarding AROS (an open source project) I have developer friends who approached AROS about contributing code and found the people in the AROS project to be awkward, rude, and unwilling to take on additional devs… yes it could be forked but these fiends of mine wanted to contribute to the already existing project, not make a new AROS fork. In short I have had multiple people tell me they are gatekeeping. For example, one friend wanted to help port AROS to Raspberry Pi and RISC-V SBCs and AROS after initially replying with a short and obtuse email, the AROS team subsequently ignored the rest of his emails. Note: the above is in reference to the AROS team, NOT the AROS One team. AROS One (like MorphOS, Aspire OS, and Icaros Desktop) is a distribution of AROS (think Debian and Ubuntu)
@@danielktdoranie My experience is completely different. The people of the AROS DEV Team are very friendly and helpful. Especially Deadwood, who puts all his heart into the development of this system. Also, there is an inaccuracy in your comment, MorpsOS is not an AROS distribution.
@@danielktdoranie whom you are talking about? Most active currently is Deadwood who is a very kind person. There were of course also other members who partly looked at aros as their own property but it is open source so everyone can contribute if useful. Of course sometimes people want to drastically change direction. This of course would lead to discussions
As an Amiga fan, I say Amiga has no real future. It has a great legacy, and a huge community that even now, still produces hardware and software for 'classic' Amigas. It's a thriving retro platform. But the so called "Next generation" Amigas are expensive curiosities that lag far behind modern computers in every way. The Amiga like OSs are very, very clever, and very impressive in many ways. They have huge amounts of time and love poured into them. But they too are curiosities, a reminder of past glories, which add nothing new to modern computing. In reality they are all stuck in the 1990s and early 2000s, and even now, will only run properly on limited harware setups. Sadly, they don't even provide the best platform for emulating classic Amigas. 😔
Looks like a better experience than the AGSMini you bought. The furry theme is kinda weird but everything else looked alright. Swapping to a total Fedora Gnome setup soon with full fake computers planned as well (Amiberry, ZX Spectrum etc)
Proteque - Do you have mind reading abilities ?!?!?! I was just going to take another look at AROS, then your video popped up on my feed. I've had a couple of fairly brief interactions with AROS, and I've liked what I have seen so-far, (running it in Virtual Box, on my Linux PC). I enjoy setting up and configuring Amiga's / Amiga/Workbench environments almost as much as using Amiga games and productivity software. Always trying to get a "Perfect" set-up. Based upon what you (and others have shown) this seems like a very good way to use an Amiga (both Classic and NG Amiga's and OS's). Thanks for another great video Take it easy.
I share the same interest. I seem to use more time on seting things up than actually using. I was like this back in the days as well. Making icons, backgrounds, amigaampthemes etcetc. Have fun with aros one.
For the AROS One x86(32bit) will there be an AROS one x64 (64 bit)? Have they increase hardware compatibility? Like I have ab AMD Radeon 7800xt graphics card will it work with it? I remember on AmigaOS 3.0 they had RTG (Retargetable Graphics). Be kind of cool if AmigaOS could become like Linux; have a modernize browser, even able to run STEAM to use proton to play Windows games. I migrated from Win11 to Ubuntu 24.04 LTS; sort of like Amiga compared to Windows. Thanks for letting us know about it, sometimes curious about the Amiga scene.
AROS 64bit is also being developed. For now it has fewer drivers and software than 32bit, but that will probably change in the future! Currently AMD cards have worse support than NVIDIA cards, you can find a list of compatible hardware on AROS Wiki. The easiest way to start is to try AROS on a virtual machine.
As retrofaza said there is a list of compatable hardware at their page, but it needs some cherry picking of parts. It can also run hosted in Linux. That way Linux handle the drivers, or in a vm like I did here. Linux is my goto as well for everyday computing. Good choice there!
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for AROS to compete with any modern OS in terms of hardware and software support. They are amazing pieces of work, created with love and an unsurpassed passion... but they only recreate a 30+ year old OS with most of it's original limitations. The limited hardware support is completely understandable, and is impressive considering the size of the development community... but they will never catch up with Linux, Windows, Android or MacOS in terms of features and hardware support. Windows XP and Windows 7 have better compatibility, and they will also run 'Classic' Amiga emulators better than AROS.
I don't know tbh. Is Abi-1 mature now? Last I heard it was okay on 68k but not there yet on PC. But that is dated information so it could very well be that the time is there!
Well. not really. So if those are what you are after you wan't a modern operating system. This is really more if you want a "bit more modern take on AmigaOS". Not an OS to rely on as a daily driver.
It is indeed a pentium 2 motherboard. I am strugling to figure out the dipswitches for it. Not sure if the cpu was upgraded and the old owner never got it to work or if it could be something wrong with it. It was my hope to make a computer from that era with it.
Not sure. It makes more sense to program in C on this. And a compiler for AROS would likely help on making those checks? I really don´t know. Have you done any programming for AROS?
@@proteque As I said, you'll hit memory problems using C, array bounds errors, writing over memory, etc. Use a language with ranges to be safe. i.e. C is NOT a safe language.
AROS has its own versions for the 68k processor and runs native Amiga programs there. AROS x86, on the other hand, runs native Amiga programs through an emulator (just like Amiga OS4 or MorphOS).
AROS by design is source compatible so everything to run has to be compiled for the target platform. In this case software has to be compiled for X86 to work. It does not run f.e. AMD64 versions of software or 68k.
I really don't see the point of AROS One, not to be confused with AROS x86 or AROS 68K. AROS One is running a Linux kernel under the hood (AKA Linux hosted) with an Amiga-like API running on top so why not just run Linux with UAE if there's some classic Amiga app that you just can't live without? Linux has many more apps which offer better features than anything that could be ported from OS3/OS4 to AROS One.
You are confusing things. AROS One is an AROS x86 distribution. You can run AROS One natively on supported hardware or in a virtual machine. AROS x86 has a version that you can run in linux hosted mode, which is very convenient (but AROS One is not distributed in this version). And why use an Amiga system these days? Maybe simply because you can? Because it's a cool and nostalgic adventure. A way of ‘amiging’ these days :)
@@proteque OK, so it's essentially AROS x86. But my question is still valid. AROS One doesn't offer anything other than a handful of x86 ports of classic 68K Amiga apps. And those apps (and the OS) are woefully outdated and lacking in features that modern users expect. So in order to use other classic Amiga apps that haven't yet been ported or apps that will NEVER be ported to x86, you will still need emulation in some form. So again, what advantage does AROS One offer anyone who needs to run a classic 68K Amiga app? You would still be better off running some form of UAE on a more stable, modern, feature-rich and robust, x86_x64 OS than trying to use AROS One. AROS One has all of the inherent problems of OS3.x but running on x86 hardware.
@@ferrellsl No real advantages I would say. I just enjoy tinkering with lots of different stuff. And I am very much a fan of open/free software. So it ticks a lot of my interests. So the advantage is "it brings me joy". But so does the good old WB 3.1 from Commodore :)
@@proteque Yeah, I understand and as original hardware becomes more scarce, the only real way to experience that Amiga feel is to use AROS or get something like the A500 Mini. I played around a lot with AROS X86_64 and liked the progress I saw with SMP, but even so, it was still tough to find x86 hardware that was old enough to meet its hardware requirements so I resorted to running it under VMware. I wish AROS had as many enthusiastic and talented devs as does Haiku. If it did, AROS would be much further along.
Amazing that Aros is still in development. Warms my heart. It looks so familiar, that I feel right at home. Enjoy
I agree. I feel right at home in it. I do miss some software though (mainly eagleplayer). I can off course emulate 68k amigasoftware in it, but it's.not the same.
Regarding AROS (an open source project) I have developer friends who approached AROS about contributing code and found the people in the AROS project to be awkward, rude, and unwilling to take on additional devs… yes it could be forked but these fiends of mine wanted to contribute to the already existing project, not make a new AROS fork.
In short I have had multiple people tell me they are gatekeeping.
For example, one friend wanted to help port AROS to Raspberry Pi and RISC-V SBCs and AROS after initially replying with a short and obtuse email, the AROS team subsequently ignored the rest of his emails.
Note: the above is in reference to the AROS team, NOT the AROS One team.
AROS One (like MorphOS, Aspire OS, and Icaros Desktop) is a distribution of AROS (think Debian and Ubuntu)
@danielktdoranie That's sad to hear! I am afraid more hardware support and compatibility will be hard to reach if that is the way of running things.
@@danielktdoranie My experience is completely different. The people of the AROS DEV Team are very friendly and helpful. Especially Deadwood, who puts all his heart into the development of this system. Also, there is an inaccuracy in your comment, MorpsOS is not an AROS distribution.
@@danielktdoranie whom you are talking about? Most active currently is Deadwood who is a very kind person. There were of course also other members who partly looked at aros as their own property but it is open source so everyone can contribute if useful. Of course sometimes people want to drastically change direction. This of course would lead to discussions
Wow, an AROS One video with speech. Thank you! I was beginning to think that Amiga fans had taken a vow of silence :-)
Hehe. I was waiting for the perfect time. And a new version was the perfect excuse to show AROS some love.
There are talking amiga fans but usually to the choir
I've been following this OS for many years. Thank you for an amazing video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for this video! AROS is the future of Amiga :)
I hope so! There are lots of cool 68k setups off course, but I hope AROS can do for AmigaOS what Haiku has done for BeOS.
As an Amiga fan, I say Amiga has no real future. It has a great legacy, and a huge community that even now, still produces hardware and software for 'classic' Amigas. It's a thriving retro platform. But the so called "Next generation" Amigas are expensive curiosities that lag far behind modern computers in every way. The Amiga like OSs are very, very clever, and very impressive in many ways. They have huge amounts of time and love poured into them. But they too are curiosities, a reminder of past glories, which add nothing new to modern computing. In reality they are all stuck in the 1990s and early 2000s, and even now, will only run properly on limited harware setups. Sadly, they don't even provide the best platform for emulating classic Amigas. 😔
Nice!
Amiga O.S (Open Source)
Love the word play! :D
Looks like a better experience than the AGSMini you bought. The furry theme is kinda weird but everything else looked alright.
Swapping to a total Fedora Gnome setup soon with full fake computers planned as well (Amiberry, ZX Spectrum etc)
It's a lot nicer experience than the 600gs as of now. The 600gs is 68k aros though. So it has some more programs working.
Proteque - Do you have mind reading abilities ?!?!?!
I was just going to take another look at AROS, then your video popped up on my
feed.
I've had a couple of fairly brief interactions with AROS, and I've liked what I have
seen so-far, (running it in Virtual Box, on my Linux PC).
I enjoy setting up and configuring Amiga's / Amiga/Workbench environments almost as
much as using Amiga games and productivity software.
Always trying to get a "Perfect" set-up.
Based upon what you (and others have shown) this seems like a very good way to use
an Amiga (both Classic and NG Amiga's and OS's).
Thanks for another great video
Take it easy.
I share the same interest. I seem to use more time on seting things up than actually using. I was like this back in the days as well. Making icons, backgrounds, amigaampthemes etcetc. Have fun with aros one.
will defo be giving AROS One 2.6 a try out very soon-ish, I have both the dvd and usb versions downloading as I type this
Have fun! Perfect weekend activity.
For the AROS One x86(32bit) will there be an AROS one x64 (64 bit)? Have they increase hardware compatibility? Like I have ab AMD Radeon 7800xt graphics card will it work with it? I remember on AmigaOS 3.0 they had RTG (Retargetable Graphics). Be kind of cool if AmigaOS could become like Linux; have a modernize browser, even able to run STEAM to use proton to play Windows games. I migrated from Win11 to Ubuntu 24.04 LTS; sort of like Amiga compared to Windows. Thanks for letting us know about it, sometimes curious about the Amiga scene.
AROS 64bit is also being developed. For now it has fewer drivers and software than 32bit, but that will probably change in the future! Currently AMD cards have worse support than NVIDIA cards, you can find a list of compatible hardware on AROS Wiki. The easiest way to start is to try AROS on a virtual machine.
As retrofaza said there is a list of compatable hardware at their page, but it needs some cherry picking of parts. It can also run hosted in Linux. That way Linux handle the drivers, or in a vm like I did here.
Linux is my goto as well for everyday computing. Good choice there!
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for AROS to compete with any modern OS in terms of hardware and software support. They are amazing pieces of work, created with love and an unsurpassed passion... but they only recreate a 30+ year old OS with most of it's original limitations. The limited hardware support is completely understandable, and is impressive considering the size of the development community... but they will never catch up with Linux, Windows, Android or MacOS in terms of features and hardware support. Windows XP and Windows 7 have better compatibility, and they will also run 'Classic' Amiga emulators better than AROS.
wouldnt it be time to switch from abiv0 to abiv1? all the older apps have to be recompiled sooner or later anyway. cheers
I don't know tbh. Is Abi-1 mature now? Last I heard it was okay on 68k but not there yet on PC. But that is dated information so it could very well be that the time is there!
Can it work with TH-cam? Can it open jxl files? can it video edit? I'd like a port of Firefox, Shotcut, Libre Office, and Chromium.
Well. not really. So if those are what you are after you wan't a modern operating system. This is really more if you want a "bit more modern take on AmigaOS". Not an OS to rely on as a daily driver.
he is the beer version of network chuck
had to search for network chuck and have a look! I think he should get himself a beer as well ;)
Is that a Pentium2/Celeron motherboard on your top shelf?
It is indeed a pentium 2 motherboard. I am strugling to figure out the dipswitches for it. Not sure if the cpu was upgraded and the old owner never got it to work or if it could be something wrong with it. It was my hope to make a computer from that era with it.
If you do any programming, you'll likely hit memory problems requiring a reboot as there's no memory protection afair.
Not sure. It makes more sense to program in C on this. And a compiler for AROS would likely help on making those checks? I really don´t know. Have you done any programming for AROS?
@@proteque As I said, you'll hit memory problems using C, array bounds errors, writing over memory, etc. Use a language with ranges to be safe. i.e. C is NOT a safe language.
Will it run Native Amiga programs?
AROS has its own versions for the 68k processor and runs native Amiga programs there. AROS x86, on the other hand, runs native Amiga programs through an emulator (just like Amiga OS4 or MorphOS).
@retrofaza gave you the answer when I was sleeping :) . It needs emulation to run classic 68k programs.
AROS by design is source compatible so everything to run has to be compiled for the target platform. In this case software has to be compiled for X86 to work. It does not run f.e. AMD64 versions of software or 68k.
I really don't see the point of AROS One, not to be confused with AROS x86 or AROS 68K. AROS One is running a Linux kernel under the hood (AKA Linux hosted) with an Amiga-like API running on top so why not just run Linux with UAE if there's some classic Amiga app that you just can't live without? Linux has many more apps which offer better features than anything that could be ported from OS3/OS4 to AROS One.
You are confusing things. AROS One is an AROS x86 distribution. You can run AROS One natively on supported hardware or in a virtual machine. AROS x86 has a version that you can run in linux hosted mode, which is very convenient (but AROS One is not distributed in this version). And why use an Amiga system these days? Maybe simply because you can? Because it's a cool and nostalgic adventure. A way of ‘amiging’ these days :)
Sorry for the late reply and thanx to retrofaza for answering your question. And yes. Retrofaza is right. AROS One is not the version hosted on Linux.
@@proteque OK, so it's essentially AROS x86. But my question is still valid. AROS One doesn't offer anything other than a handful of x86 ports of classic 68K Amiga apps. And those apps (and the OS) are woefully outdated and lacking in features that modern users expect. So in order to use other classic Amiga apps that haven't yet been ported or apps that will NEVER be ported to x86, you will still need emulation in some form. So again, what advantage does AROS One offer anyone who needs to run a classic 68K Amiga app? You would still be better off running some form of UAE on a more stable, modern, feature-rich and robust, x86_x64 OS than trying to use AROS One. AROS One has all of the inherent problems of OS3.x but running on x86 hardware.
@@ferrellsl No real advantages I would say. I just enjoy tinkering with lots of different stuff. And I am very much a fan of open/free software. So it ticks a lot of my interests. So the advantage is "it brings me joy". But so does the good old WB 3.1 from Commodore :)
@@proteque Yeah, I understand and as original hardware becomes more scarce, the only real way to experience that Amiga feel is to use AROS or get something like the A500 Mini. I played around a lot with AROS X86_64 and liked the progress I saw with SMP, but even so, it was still tough to find x86 hardware that was old enough to meet its hardware requirements so I resorted to running it under VMware. I wish AROS had as many enthusiastic and talented devs as does Haiku. If it did, AROS would be much further along.