Nietzche claimed that theistic explanation was bankrupt and so man must rise out of the ashes of intellectual cowardice and dishonesty, to rise above primitive concepts of good and evil and discard comforting lies in favour of harsh yet empowering truths. To live is to struggle and so to embrace truth, to value life one must praise struggle and the fatalistic nature of reality. Man in his efforts is ultimately doomed but by accepting this bravely we transcend our limitations by the courage of our intellect and strength of our spirit. Plus he was an impeccable dresser.
Nietzsche may have been the first to describe people operating on 2 levels. The Christian who acts out of what he believes to be loving self sacrificing humility and the craven coward who comforts himself with delusions because he has nothing to be proud of and relishes the thought of his enemies being punished in the after life even as he "loves his enemies". A conscious and an unconscious level to which even the individual is not aware. Nietzsche had a powerful influence on the psychoanalysts of the 20th century.
B.R. Jesus may not have existed. Even if he did he is not the most inspirational or profound thinker. Only another dying and rising messiah like so many others. Just think about the message. His way, and ONLY his way, else you'll be in danger of hellfire. Worship him or DIE in fire. That's very humble of him. That's very peaceful and loving of Jesus.
Nah, this is stupid. Nietzsche never meant God is dead as a triumphant statement; it was more like a statement of lament. And his ideas did play out just as he predicted in the form of Soviet Communism / Nazism. You Christians are just too salty
This video indicates a total misunderstanding of Nietzsche. Nietzsche never suggested that 'we get rid of morality'. This is a common and unsubtle sort of 'reading into' of Nietzsche that takes him as a kind of political propagandist, a man who desired to change the minds of his society in general. He had no such agenda. He suggested that the societies of his milieu had already effectively abandon Christian morality and that what was left of it was a shell game which served mostly to confuse people's senses. He suggested that individuals, not the big 'We', try to revisit the study of moral phenomena in light of past events (hence the title - 'the genealogy of morals'), and bring as few pretensions to the table as they could manage in doing so.
Nietzsche said much, and most of what he says is misconstrued to service an agenda. The Nazi's for instance tried to claim him as their own, when he specifically mentions on more than one occasion he despised both "antisemitism" and "nationalism". The christian will pick and choose Nietzsche's most contentious claims without ever researching in any way what it is he meant by it.
He despised much if not all of the paradigm which naturally lead to the common morality of the West, beginning with Christ. He believed that those who should be in control, the most powerful, were being held back by Christian morality, to allow the weak to flourish and be exalted above them, which Nietzsche saw as blaspheming the laws of nature, so to speak. He believed the greatest, the Übermensch should reign superior and dictate morality in place of Christian morality. I'm afraid in the end it was essentially a slight modification of social Darwinism in essence.
What kind of morality one talks about in the world where nothing makes sense , absurd and meaningless. Nietzsche believes he is just an animal and thus has to act on his instincts unapologetically. He advocates for the aristocracy to do what they please and stop to examine or question themselves. That's why he hates Socrates for his desire to look for logic and explain one's actions. Nietzsche loathes Christian values because they advocate for compassion which he considers to be the moral of the slave. He basically is a proponent of social darwinism and eugenics: the survival of the fittest and letting suffer and die the less fortunate. He was a misanthrope and misogynist. What he thinks of women is appalling and downright abhorrent ! And yet Nietzsche is deemed to be a gran intellectual. Especially, the nazis , Mussolini anf Hitler himself just loved his work...I wonder why😂
If this is how you feel after actually reading and THINKING or analysing ALL of Nietzsche's books, then you are easily moved, specially by this pseudo-intellectual.
Transformational experience changes the physical structure of the mind. After one of these experiences you are no longer the same person. The interesting thing is, this experience cannot be measured and quantified, is is a quality in the relationship of your orientation to the world.
I find it interesting how Dionysus is also the god of wine and sensual pleasure. This guy (and nietzsche) talk about how the Greeks understood this figure as I guess a sorta outward expression of the tragedy of life itself. I wanted him to point out how and clarify exactly how Dionysus is a tragic figure. I guess it’s because Dionysus is a figure of sensual pleasure but also one who understands the innately cruel aspect of life.
Nietzsche was too good a person to truly understand the value and neccessity of morals. That is the achilles heel of his philosophy. He did concede the need for a pleb religion, but failed to see that elites need guardrails even more than the plebs.
I think he understood that morals were a byproduct to maintaining a sustainable society, yet he also knew that morality often constrains ones mental state in exchange for docility. This is immediately apparent when we analyze who exactly it was who placed these moral laws into the minds of plebs, thus being Augustus upon becoming Emperor and Hong Qigong also when he became Emperor. To live as Nietzsche suggests is thrilling for the individual, yet dangerous for the meek and vulnerable, i.e weak men, women and children.
Nice summary! Re the conclusion: It is the injection of Aristotelian elements by Aquinas that renders Christianity this worldly. In essence it is Platonist/other worldly. Nietzsche was objecting to the Platonist aspect of Christianity, especially the “slave morality”.
Chritianity debunked using science & history As per Bible the creation Begins in 4004 BC at 9 AM on 23rdOctober. Means creation took place nearly 6000 year ago. Bible said earth is flat , sun moving around the , But Galileo said that the earth is round and circles the sun , and the church blinded him , so that he can never look into another telescope. Also punish copernicus . In reality by modern science cosmos is 15 billion years old and that the mind and consciousness has to be factored in. Well the advent of quantum physics has proved Bible wrong. Undermining of science is evil When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it’ - Oscar Wilde (1854-1900), Irish author
"In the entire first Christian century Jesus was not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! references." "Jesus Christ Was never Exist " Plz see video... th-cam.com/video/QTmZlckcwMY/w-d-xo.html
@@SamMoreno970 His point is that Nietzsche's morality was anti-Christian -- evil. The Nazis were even more evil and so if Nietzsche was ahead of his time, then you could say the Nazis were even more ahead of their time.
I used to read a lot of Nietzsche, but now I really have out grown his philosophy and thought, for I as an individual have made my own mind up and view the semantics of life to be more important than the dryness of a scholarly world of theological concepts. Meaning is essential to life, i have chosen to view life as an experience for which we cannot place in tangible and physical concepts solely but in an expanding mind of intelligence.
Nietzsche clearly defined his "human exemplar" (free spirit, ubermensch, philosopher of the future, etc) as someone who was worldly and rejected any supernatural foundations for himself. I am not sure what you mean by "old metaphysical sense", but Nietzsche would clearly be against any such thing as is clear in his attacks on Platonism.
Since we are in a theological context, I think he means metaphysical in the sense of that old german lutheran based subjectivism, as opposed to the catholic materialistic philosophies
Thank you Nicola Reddwooddforest and Leopard King. I am about to start reading and feel as if I have had a primer in reading your debate. You both raise some excellent points and a few nutty ones. Leopard-King has values closer to my own. Clearly, you are more advanced in understanding Nietzsche than me. I will be thinking about your comments.
Nietzsche used his own body as a human shield to protect the horse from being beaten by a carriage driver. Nietzsche saw compassion and responsibility as power. So the power he was talking about is real love.
The idea that taste is what will drive people to abandon Christian morality is very true, and reveals what's really going on with Neitsche, what he was rationalising and what had alienated Christian morality, and continues to alienate people from Christianity and Judaism in western society, which is capitalist consumerism, and the false values inculcated by advertising and by commodity exchange in itself. The power of advertising should hardly need explaining, but it is remarkable how much intellectuals tend to ignore it as a cultural force influencing public mores, especially those who like to blame all moral decline on the presence of religious or skin-colour minorities, or so-called "cultural marxism" (which doesn't exist, and actually turns out to be traditional Christian humanism on inpection). That was the force driving atheism during Neitsche's lifetime, and remains the case, both by the implicit and explicit denigration of all means of joy, wonder, fulfilment and hope not available for sale in shiny packaging, on the same basis as the implicit denigration of all things not for sale, such as the home-made, homecooked and home grown. The broader commecial necessity is of destroying popular capacity to resist advertising pressures, such as fulfilment and inner peace and joy through relationship with God, by the inculcation of false values which facilitate consumerism such as greed, selfishness, gluttony and egotism in general ("you're worth it"), as well as the corrolaries of low self-esteem, social anxiety, body dismorphia and addictional consumption of all kinds, and the squeezing of Christian expression and self-representation out of popular culture, primarily just by incessant barrage of entertainment commodities. Tastes are manufactured with the invention of new products and lifestyles, as well as the advertising of the same, as Marx noted. Thus Nietsche was just another fashion victim, another unconscious object of capitalist cultural dissolving and corrupting.
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the problem we have is that most people want to interpret the bible literally, that's when it becomes an absurd mess of hypocrisy and misconceptions, not all of us have the intellectual capability to understand it metaphorically, as it was intended, it took a long time for me to gain this perception,
Jim Adams this is a later response but he was against the categorical imperative, which was devised but Immanuel Kant and which is in essence a highly intellectual golden rule. Read Twilight of the idols by Nietzsche for more.
That is not true. Nietzsche did not try to get rid of morality. He kept pointing out that the old morality based on Christianity is false. He offered a new morality which is the morality of love, freedom, and full responsibility.
***** As I said before, Nietzsche wanted to get rid of the old Christian based morals. He offered new ones. You need to read Nietzsche's books again and pay close attention to what he says. He tries to educate others on higher morals, on love and kindness for all beings free from dictation, religion, and dogma based ideas like holding the other cheek. That is not utilitarian and not materialistic. He protected a horse once from being beaten by shielding him with his own body. That action proved that he was walking his talk on the ideal of the superhuman. He was only against what other people regarded as responsibility which he rejected. Kant is the philosopher who taught irresponsibility in a very dangerous form giving people permission to do cruel acts. Nietzsche condemned this. Someone might argue that they find it "responsible" to shoot abortion doctors to do "gods" work. I am using a drastic example here, there are many more examples in the Christian religion which would take months to describe. Nietzsche's idea of responsibility is to live a clean life free from alcohol, free from tobacco, free from dishonesty, free from bragging, free from speciecism, racism and bigotry. His teachings are very clear and straightforward. Nietzsche gave his life to teaching and it was indeed rough.
***** I have a problem with the current translations that's why I am translating Thus Spoke Zarathustra and will later on translate his other books if I still have the time to do so since it will take years and years. But I have seen some of the English translations and they are pitiful and even dangerous because they make themselves misunderstood. Nietzsche's work is already subject for misinterpretation enough that's why Hitler and later Nazis hawked his work for themselves to promote something that he was against. His sister Elisabeth has rewritten some of his text! This is a horrific crime because it falsified Nietzsche's important teachings of love, respect and honesty. She made it into something which it was Not. Rudolf Steiner has tried to rescue his work but who knows how much was falsified. How could anybody have found out which was which. What he praised was not to be a ruthless dictator like Napoleon, but the power from within instead of the submissiveness to dictators. He criticized people for rewarding the pity instead of helping others to empower themselves. Compassion is Not pity. Compassion is feeling the other being's needs and doing something to really help that individual. Not to pity him. Not to feed him and make him dependent. This in regards to humans of course. For animals they can't feed themselves so we have to feed them because we took them out of the wild where they used to be independent. But we can still empower a dog or horse by showing him or her how to do certain simple things and then praise them with love, words and food, that empowers them, that makes them feel like they achieved something. I talk from experience with dogs and horses who I have trained. All beings work on this principle of empowerment.
If you read the books by Rudolf Steiner you will see that Elisabeth was capable of manipulating his statements. And who knows who else has tempered with them. Have you read Thus Spoke Zarathustra yet? This book is a fairy tale about a teacher who had actually lived before the Buddha. His wisdom is free from religion and full of love. Nietzsche most likely did not touch a darker skinned person inappropriately. He was very careful and particular about his conduct. Only when he got sick with a virus which disabled his frontal cortex he began doing weird things, but not aggressive things and not abusive things. His love for the horse has nothing to do with his illness. I would do the same if I encountered a situation like that. He taught deep caring and love and mental freedom therefore he was unhappy with the main agenda on people's minds which is hedonism, wastefulness, and selfishness.
I only have read the German version. In that version the eagle, snake and other animals are only equated with specific good characteristics, I don't remember anything like what you pointed out. They probably translated it poorly. I have seen this before from other translated books. That is very sad. That is the only reason why I translate the book other than that its hard work and would rather be drinking hot carob with whipped cream on it. What he means by favoring sickly over healthy folks is that society in general seems to value a submissiveness over a self empowerment. Those values today have shifted a bit with people like Tony Robbins. They did indeed carry a lot of impotent beliefs in the past which have come from Christianity. The native beliefs before the Roman Empire took over Europe were much more in tune with nature, the animals and with metabolism. They respected their own needs, mental and physical. Christianity was trying to take that natural self respect away from people in order to make them more dependent and submissive. Only this trend is what Nietzsche criticized. He wrote provocatively and loud but one has to put things into perspective. I do appreciate your interest in this historic figure.
***** Just because the dominating factor of survival is the flight syndrome rather than the fight syndrome does not give the concept of submission a glorification status.
Do not watch "specials" about Nietzsche, unless you have already read and feel like you've comprehended him through his own books and words; this man isn't intended to perhaps be properly understood by esteemed speakers or school-teachers. There is a curious exception on TH-cam . . . See channel 'Ontologistics', and his videos. The seperate rest I have seen were completely obnoxious and without proper purpose. They typically tend to include "expected" character attacks versus an objective penetration of the man's thought. Or more properly put: "blah blah blah"
+Paul R. ...thnx Paul...I'm a home reader (wanna-be-scholar) and find it frustrating with vids that do not get to the meat of the matter. I'll check out that channel.
I find the most useful thing about this video is that is it a more reasonable Christian response to Nietzsche. Nothing beat just reading the original works, rather than someone else' interpretation.
Jerad Clark-----Sounds GOOD to me. I have nothing against self-confidence or autoreliance. However I know no one is "Superman". I almost died in ER from blood infection. My life was in the hands of the nurses.
I'm surprised that you are not interested, especially with your obvious opinions, but it is just as well....we both agree that neither of us really know, that's a great accomplishment for me.
"The Christian theological division of agent and action itself is artificial for Nietzsche, if not all out false. For him, it is impossible for a person not to be equal to their actions or for their worth not to be defined by their actions. Further, by affirming the division between agent and action in ideology we... we perpetuate the system of masters and slaves." The Journal of Magnus Opium The Chaotic Impulse of Philosophy A Wordpress Blog
It is a held thought even in psychology that a fully socialized individual needs to maintain proper boundaries between himself and others. It is the basis of the social contract in both sociology and politics. Think what you will of Christianity, but do unto others is so much preferred than do what thou wilt as aliester Crowley would’ve had it. Whatever paths are chosen, there are benefits and consequences. I myself see it’s better to “err” on the side of Christianity. I firmly believe that Neitzsche’s madness stemmed from the struggle he had with God. That’s just my opinion.
I like what Zizek said about this: Christianity IS, in a literal sense, faith in the shadow of the death of god, of an absolute beyond or transcendent certainty
Correction…his critique of Catholicism…He was heavily influenced by Dostoyevsky….another guy who criticized Catholics for becoming superstitious….Christian god is a moral god. Early Greek Christian’s we’re all about following morality,free will and study of psychology
It's really too bad Nietzsche never came across the esoteric aspects of Torah. He derived much of the dogma on his own, but only the questions never reaching over to grasp even a single answer. We can all learn from this. What a noble and brave soul.
Which esoteric aspects do you mean? Years ago, I read Nietzsche alot, and some of the Kabbalah. A lot of passages in Zarathustra seemed to echo the Zohar
The idea of a supreme being is man's creation. Someone we humans can look up to emulate and regard as a model and a good example. But God or whatever we want to call it has a life independently of us humans. God doesn't need us. It is the other way around.
"and he never reached a point of sanity again".. Insanity is a social construct. His thoughts were probably evolving and accelerating, breaking his thoughts out of the prison frameworks of society. Definitely the most misunderstood thinker of all time.
17:06 Is that face in the clouds in the upper right corner of the painting intentionally painted by the artist? What Nietzsche means is that humans have "killed" or a better term is disconnected themselves from the infinite cosmos through their religiousness. That's why he said in his books that humans need to yet be saved from their savior. The infinite cosmos can not die because it is eternal.
Nietzche's brother in law could not have been properly fascist before Mussolini, as the syndicalist anarchism/socialism movement had not splitted yet from the internationalism. The germans have carried the supermacist vice for centuries
Nietzsche's success in spreading his view was heavily infuenced by timing principally. Mid to late 19th century was simmering in the psychological understanding of the human being.
I will write about the first two minutes of this video, and it is no good: He says, "...it's hard to say why N. is so influential in some ways, because it's been pointed out that his thought is idiosyncratic [0:15]....." Why is that a bad or a good thing?? He is of course idiosyncratic, he is an individual. And to say he doesn't KNOW why, and then make a video telling us why... well, that's just dishonest, not to mention he is most probably wrong. "... and there's always an element that's incalculable here I think,... but N. I think, spoke for things that were already going on, articulated things going on... christianity has come to an end in terms of intellectual respectability... and I think one reason he is so influential is that N. pushes hard to get us to understand the implications of what he called the death of god... now lets get rid of morality..." Incalculable?? well tell me something that is not so damn obvious!! Anything that lends itself to interpretation by so much a wide range of "intellectuals" has to have an "incalculable" element, or ten. The whole damn video is like that. A dwarf disguisedly hating on a giant, in the form of "criticism". I mean, "... it caught something in the atmosphere in his day, and has caught something in the atmosphere since then as well..."
As someone with great respect for Nietzsche, I think it is really cool that Christians are able to present his life and philosophy in a fair and respectable manner. Especially not giving any heed to the accusations of fascism that are common. I would agree that Christianity is not just otherworldly in its outlook, and I think in a sense N. would agree too. I think the real problem here is that Christians use the otherworldly as a foundation for their values. This is was N. was attacking.
@@eagleeye182 his apparent intellect lead him to sleep with prostitutes which of course lead to his syphilitic downfall. Which life was superior, Christ's or Nietzsche's?
I found the opening remarks unfathomable. All thoughts comes from someone somewhere. Why wouldn't someone be inclined to think critically and independently?! Did I detect a hint of chauvinism?! Interesting.
It seems to me that Nietzsche derived his understanding of Christian anthropology from a particular tradition- namely, the tradition in which he was raised, Lutheranism- that isn't actually representative of Christian thought more generally. The Reformers (Luther and Calvin, etc) had a bleak and pessimistic understanding of human nature; whereas thinkers such as Thomas Aquinas and the Eastern Fathers were far more balanced. I would also add that the OT & NT give the lie to the Reformers, I think
One thing people should know is that Nietzsche's criticism of Christianity is mostly about German Christianity, which is all he knew, though he traveled to Italy a few times it seems he had little interactions with the Italians. German Christianity was perhaps one of the most dour forms of Christianity, and so speaks more perhaps of the Germans than of Christianity. How Germans went from being barbarians in the Roman times to freaks about precision and punctuality is impossible to explain, but they did, and the German dourness may have been present in Roman times as well, but I don't think anyone really knows. Few people seem to know that shortly (a few decades) after the murder of Yeshua of Nazareth, Christianity spread to Southwest India where it barely spread, but it did a little, and did not have any of the German dourness in it's character. And those who took up Christianity initially in S. West India formed a lasting community which came to be more pleasant and sane in many ways than life in the rest of India. Even today, Kerala, India, which is I think a majority Christian state, has one of the highest, if not the highest literacy rates in India. Life is laid back in Kerala and nothing at all like Germany. So I think it makes sense to look around a bit and see if Christianity really is the poison claimed by Nietzsche.
Huh? Kerala is much different than Germany, and Christianity in Kerala never acquired the Lutheran dourness or bitterness that N. disliked. So reaction to Christianity actually did change people differently in these two widely separated places. One can hardly call the difference between Kerala and Germany "nothing". Another example of a very different cultural feel brought about by Christianity is in the Indian state of Meghalaya, which is generally considered a Christian state in India though there are still many tribals on the outskirts. Like Kerala, Meghalaya is very laid back, except that the tribals often have squabbles over land rights and government handouts, but those flare up and then extiquish again without much of significant effect on the overall laidbackness. The largest golf course in the world is in Meghalaya. Meghalaya is somtimes called the Scotland of India due to similar weather.
+rh001YT why does Wikipedia say Kerala's population is 50% Hindu the other 50% Christians and Muslim ? It seems Christianity is not reason for the area's high standard of living conditions.
Huh? 50% Christian is incredibly significant for India where Christians make up only about 10% or less of the population. It is the significant % of Christians in Kerala that tip the culture into the more pleasant environment. That comes about for several reasons, one notable reason being the large number of Christian schools which have spurred that state towards something close to 100% literacy which is quite impressive for India. Within Christianity in Kerala women have enjoyed good status, higher than that of Hindu women in HIndu culutre who are typically considered second to men. In fact Hindus have a holiday known as Bhai Phonta, which means "brother gratitude/celebration" when boys put on their finest clothing and sisters give them presents and serve them a special holiday meal. There is no similar holiday for the girls. Meghalaya, the other state in India with a large percent of Christians, is the only state not connected to the rail grid. It's not that the govt in Delhi does not want to pay for the connection, it's that the people of Meghalaya oppose the connection! Meghalaya is fairly sedate with a low crime rate, but there are somewhat frequent agitations and sometimes political murders by indigineous/animist groups that can't get along with each other and want more government sops. None of this would be a surprise to Nietzsche who sometimes praised Christianity and only sometimes disparaged her on the mere grounds of having a dim view of some strong pleasures, and on the claim that all people are politically equal which can lead to a dumbing down of society. However Christianities significant effort to educate has sort of dispelled the dumbing down hypothesis.
rh001YT btw, Nietzsche also critiqued the supposed life of Jesus as described in the Bible. That is central to all Christianity, not just in Germany.
When you only have been exposed to the western form of christianity that lacks all true mysticism and understanding of the mysteries, this is what happens. Orthodoxy had the answers.
Jim Adams, truth is what you make it. It is NOT absolute but personal and diverse. Why do you think there are so many paths to heaven-man's perception/s. The creators spirit lives in all things organic. Love and respect of others is the ultimate act and conquest. That's my perspective.
The Gnostic ideology is quite interesting. While most enjoy learning, if it is taken to its end though an abnormal reasoning process the consequences appear profound. The more you know should demonstrate that you may not know much at all. As an old man, that's where I am ending up and it's not a bad thing at all.
Very limited views of the work of Nietzsche. I could easily say this guy is a Christian Apologist. It hurts to say "dead is god", hun? I saw your pain. I am on the wrong channel.
Compassion is not pity. It has been observed that animals of a social species DO have a functional conscience that guides their social organization; it is the same type of internal mechanism that guides the social organization of ALL social species. Humanity is a social species. What makes it a social species is baked into our DNA...as morality. The primary function of that morality is to ensure the survival of the species. It is not enough to ensure the survival of the individual...it must also guide the survival of the entire species. We are wired to serve two masters...Our "morality" is manifested by, and revealed by, how we work with others, NOT by how we are when alone. That is the basis for compassion...a DNA-given mechanism that allows us to occupy the ecological niche of a social species...not a solitary species. That is what Ayn Rand did not understand about her species, denying the existence of the morality that equips humans for teamwork and social organization...you know: love of others...and a joy in united efforts. The FINAL determinant of good and bad is what is good for the species...not the individual. This will be fought over throughout the spectrum of human moral guidance...but understanding its function is the first step to comprehending its source and its role in our survival as a species.
So when he said, "God is dead.", he was referring to his father, who died when he was 4. Or he was angry at God for taking his father away when he was so young.
No, he meant that modern thought had made the historical conception of a purpose-giving God obsolete, and that humanity was both free and cursed to find their own reason to live on Earth.
the message of Jesus is the same as the message of Nietzche, which is : Struggle to survive and triumph in the world of lies by being the truth. Neitzche is not Anti Jesus, but anti christian organization and anti interpretation of Jesus's ministry by imaginitive authors of scriptures. The narrator incorrectly interprets the signature of Nietzche.
Grasping this tension in the mind of Nietzsche, would be odd . . . people are a perception between the distraught and open dialect. Change the adjective to a noun and see what it means; grasping notions upon this is a point of logic, if it was to say a point in time it would mean some new definition, as i say this, it seems to be a point of a direct path with conceptual motivation directing to a bold solution. (We are) to become a surging of emotion and feeling. Nietzsche is talking about the nerve and the culture surrounding this so called Christianity in no appointment for any nerve, yet they try to define it, and as I can say is always there. A solution decays in a universe where the mind is apart of the antenna's dimension.
Like thousands of journalists and economists mostly speculate over contemporary issues; do modern philosophers and teachers do the same (needless thing) ? About these by-gone greats and personas important? Almost every major post-modern philosopher disagrees about the definitions we can draw about Nietzche's discourse and text - or for that matter Spinoza, Kant and XYZ
Christianity is no system but rather its a process, a process with an end game which is directly connected to the nature of the ubermensche. So what really did Nierzsche actually believe??
16:03 "In Human, All Too Human, Nietzsche talks about the way in which Christian's, barely humans as it were, in mud. [Christians] regard humans as miserable little worms, and then humans cry out gratefully to God because of all his grace. And Nietzsche hates that." Sounds like Nietzsche was of sound mind to reject that version of Christian anthropology which comes from Luther and Calvin.
Well of course he isn't 'real', why are we having this conversation again? Nietzsche's human ideals (of which the ubermensch is only one example) are human exemplars which illustrate his philosophy. It is pretty silly to say that because Nietzsche uses these ideal people in his philosophy he is somehow a Platonist.
Nietzche claimed that theistic explanation was bankrupt and so man must rise out of the ashes of intellectual cowardice and dishonesty, to rise above primitive concepts of good and evil and discard comforting lies in favour of harsh yet empowering truths. To live is to struggle and so to embrace truth, to value life one must praise struggle and the fatalistic nature of reality. Man in his efforts is ultimately doomed but by accepting this bravely we transcend our limitations by the courage of our intellect and strength of our spirit. Plus he was an impeccable dresser.
+Jerad To embrace which truth?
not truth. he didnt like that search for truth.
+Daniel Pasterp I think Truth is that which is revealed after we discard the primitive concepts of good and evil. May be it is God in Real sense.
Nietzsche may have been the first to describe people operating on 2 levels. The Christian who acts out of what he believes to be loving self sacrificing humility and the craven coward who comforts himself with delusions because he has nothing to be proud of and relishes the thought of his enemies being punished in the after life even as he "loves his enemies". A conscious and an unconscious level to which even the individual is not aware. Nietzsche had a powerful influence on the psychoanalysts of the 20th century.
B.R. Jesus may not have existed. Even if he did he is not the most inspirational or profound thinker. Only another dying and rising messiah like so many others. Just think about the message. His way, and ONLY his way, else you'll be in danger of hellfire. Worship him or DIE in fire. That's very humble of him. That's very peaceful and loving of Jesus.
Nietzsche: God is dead.
God: Nietzsche is dead.
Nietzsche: Some are born posthumously.
Jesus: True dat.
(The) Word..
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This is a seriously under-appreciated set of puns. I guess the audience is too Nietzsche.
Nah, this is stupid. Nietzsche never meant God is dead as a triumphant statement; it was more like a statement of lament. And his ideas did play out just as he predicted in the form of Soviet Communism / Nazism. You Christians are just too salty
This video indicates a total misunderstanding of Nietzsche. Nietzsche never suggested that 'we get rid of morality'. This is a common and unsubtle sort of 'reading into' of Nietzsche that takes him as a kind of political propagandist, a man who desired to change the minds of his society in general. He had no such agenda. He suggested that the societies of his milieu had already effectively abandon Christian morality and that what was left of it was a shell game which served mostly to confuse people's senses. He suggested that individuals, not the big 'We', try to revisit the study of moral phenomena in light of past events (hence the title - 'the genealogy of morals'), and bring as few pretensions to the table as they could manage in doing so.
Nietzsche said much, and most of what he says is misconstrued to service an agenda. The Nazi's for instance tried to claim him as their own, when he specifically mentions on more than one occasion he despised both "antisemitism" and "nationalism". The christian will pick and choose Nietzsche's most contentious claims without ever researching in any way what it is he meant by it.
@@666Nietzschie Not all ' Christians'. How do we define one, anyway?
He despised much if not all of the paradigm which naturally lead to the common morality of the West, beginning with Christ. He believed that those who should be in control, the most powerful, were being held back by Christian morality, to allow the weak to flourish and be exalted above them, which Nietzsche saw as blaspheming the laws of nature, so to speak. He believed the greatest, the Übermensch should reign superior and dictate morality in place of Christian morality. I'm afraid in the end it was essentially a slight modification of social Darwinism in essence.
What kind of morality one talks about in the world where nothing makes sense , absurd and meaningless. Nietzsche believes he is just an animal and thus has to act on his instincts unapologetically. He advocates for the aristocracy to do what they please and stop to examine or question themselves. That's why he hates Socrates for his desire to look for logic and explain one's actions. Nietzsche loathes Christian values because they advocate for compassion which he considers to be the moral of the slave. He basically is a proponent of social darwinism and eugenics: the survival of the fittest and letting suffer and die the less fortunate. He was a misanthrope and misogynist. What he thinks of women is appalling and downright abhorrent
! And yet Nietzsche is deemed to be a gran intellectual. Especially, the nazis , Mussolini anf Hitler himself just loved his work...I wonder why😂
Very good recap. I read all the books, but there's nothing like an earnest review to get you thinking it all over again. Great video!
If this is how you feel after actually reading and THINKING or analysing ALL of Nietzsche's books, then you are easily moved, specially by this
pseudo-intellectual.
Transformational experience changes the physical structure of the mind.
After one of these experiences you are no longer the same person.
The interesting thing is, this experience cannot be measured and quantified, is is a quality in the relationship of your orientation to the world.
To live as a devout Christian is hard but wonderfully rewarding. I believe the best way to experience it is to try to be holy for a few days.
I find it interesting how Dionysus is also the god of wine and sensual pleasure. This guy (and nietzsche) talk about how the Greeks understood this figure as I guess a sorta outward expression of the tragedy of life itself. I wanted him to point out how and clarify exactly how Dionysus is a tragic figure. I guess it’s because Dionysus is a figure of sensual pleasure but also one who understands the innately cruel aspect of life.
He was tortured to death by other gods
Superb intellectual and teacher
Nietzsche was too good a person to truly understand the value and neccessity of morals. That is the achilles heel of his philosophy. He did concede the need for a pleb religion, but failed to see that elites need guardrails even more than the plebs.
I think he understood that morals were a byproduct to maintaining a sustainable society, yet he also knew that morality often constrains ones mental state in exchange for docility. This is immediately apparent when we analyze who exactly it was who placed these moral laws into the minds of plebs, thus being Augustus upon becoming Emperor and Hong Qigong also when he became Emperor. To live as Nietzsche suggests is thrilling for the individual, yet dangerous for the meek and vulnerable, i.e weak men, women and children.
He had a deep sense of guilt: homosexual tendency, which he repressed, hanki panki with Elizabeth Förster Nietzsche...yes, he was a saint.
Very interesting thought provoking. Fantastic 💯
Nice summary! Re the conclusion: It is the injection of Aristotelian elements by Aquinas that renders Christianity this worldly. In essence it is Platonist/other worldly. Nietzsche was objecting to the Platonist aspect of Christianity, especially the “slave morality”.
Nietzsche reminded me of Einstein...Briliently driven and gave insight to how power can be used for good or evil.
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Just read the first essay of the genealogy of morals, and it appears that power decides what is good and evil
Noble vs common
Even einstien got it wrong too. See: static universe vs big bang. And unto whom twas it revealed..
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You might revisit the USA and the war in Vietnam USA and the war in the Philippines USA and the Mexican American war...
Do I need to go?
Chritianity debunked using science & history
As per Bible the creation Begins in 4004 BC at 9 AM on 23rdOctober. Means creation took place nearly 6000 year ago.
Bible said earth is flat , sun moving around the , But Galileo said that the earth is round and circles the sun , and the church blinded him , so that he can never look into another telescope.
Also punish copernicus .
In reality by modern science cosmos is 15 billion years old and that the mind and consciousness has to be factored in. Well the advent of quantum physics has proved Bible wrong.
Undermining of science is evil
When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it’
- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900), Irish author
"In the entire first Christian century Jesus was not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! references."
"Jesus Christ Was never Exist "
Plz see video...
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Nietzsche was way ahead of his time...
As he said himself "Some are born posthumously."
and the Nazis were thousands of years ahead of their time
@@ArnoldTohtFan how, retard?
@@SamMoreno970 His point is that Nietzsche's morality was anti-Christian -- evil. The Nazis were even more evil and so if Nietzsche was ahead of his time, then you could say the Nazis were even more ahead of their time.
@@robertbrandywine Nietzsche despised anti semites.
Such a precise analysis. Well done, Sir.
I used to read a lot of Nietzsche, but now I really have out grown his philosophy and thought, for I as an individual have made my own mind up and view the semantics of life to be more important than the dryness of a scholarly world of theological concepts. Meaning is essential to life, i have chosen to view life as an experience for which we cannot place in tangible and physical concepts solely but in an expanding mind of intelligence.
"'Do not flatter your benefactor.' Repeat this in a Christian church: right away it clears the air of everything Christian." (FN, "The Gay Science")
I’m new to Nietzsche and don’t follow you. What does this mean??
lol "christian church"
Nietzsche clearly defined his "human exemplar" (free spirit, ubermensch, philosopher of the future, etc) as someone who was worldly and rejected any supernatural foundations for himself. I am not sure what you mean by "old metaphysical sense", but Nietzsche would clearly be against any such thing as is clear in his attacks on Platonism.
Since we are in a theological context, I think he means metaphysical in the sense of that old german lutheran based subjectivism, as opposed to the catholic materialistic philosophies
This was fascinating. Thanks
He never proposed getting rid of God. This lost me in the first minute.
Thank you Nicola Reddwooddforest and Leopard King. I am about to start reading and feel as if I have had a primer in reading your debate. You both raise some excellent points and a few nutty ones. Leopard-King has values closer to my own. Clearly, you are more advanced in understanding Nietzsche than me. I will be thinking about your comments.
He arose at the crucible and his spirited fire yet burns bright.
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Thanks this is gold.
Bravo! This guy is the real deal.
No he is not, he is in the manic phase of bipolar disorder
Nietzsche used his own body as a human shield to protect the horse from being beaten by a carriage driver. Nietzsche saw compassion and responsibility as power. So the power he was talking about is real love.
Yet he didn't see the all powerful God standing in front of His own people to take their whipping as virtuous.
@@jesusistheonlygodamen3406 Religion is blinding you from seeing real love and compassion.
@@jesusistheonlygodamen3406 Whipping an animal or human is Horror, Cruelty and Terror.
The idea that taste is what will drive people to abandon Christian morality is very true, and reveals what's really going on with Neitsche, what he was rationalising and what had alienated Christian morality, and continues to alienate people from Christianity and Judaism in western society, which is capitalist consumerism, and the false values inculcated by advertising and by commodity exchange in itself. The power of advertising should hardly need explaining, but it is remarkable how much intellectuals tend to ignore it as a cultural force influencing public mores, especially those who like to blame all moral decline on the presence of religious or skin-colour minorities, or so-called "cultural marxism" (which doesn't exist, and actually turns out to be traditional Christian humanism on inpection). That was the force driving atheism during Neitsche's lifetime, and remains the case, both by the implicit and explicit denigration of all means of joy, wonder, fulfilment and hope not available for sale in shiny packaging, on the same basis as the implicit denigration of all things not for sale, such as the home-made, homecooked and home grown. The broader commecial necessity is of destroying popular capacity to resist advertising pressures, such as fulfilment and inner peace and joy through relationship with God, by the inculcation of false values which facilitate consumerism such as greed, selfishness, gluttony and egotism in general ("you're worth it"), as well as the corrolaries of low self-esteem, social anxiety, body dismorphia and addictional consumption of all kinds, and the squeezing of Christian expression and self-representation out of popular culture, primarily just by incessant barrage of entertainment commodities. Tastes are manufactured with the invention of new products and lifestyles, as well as the advertising of the same, as Marx noted. Thus Nietsche was just another fashion victim, another unconscious object of capitalist cultural dissolving and corrupting.
Syphilis was a terror in those days. Text Books lie, he had paresis cerebral atrophy in late-stage syphilis.which the wrongly label Mental Breakdown .
General paresis, also known as general paralysis of the insane
(GPI) or paralytic dementia, is a severe neuropsychiatric disorder,
classified as an organic mental disorder and caused by the chronic
meningoencephalitis that leads to cerebral atrophy in late-stage syphilis.Signs and symptoms · Prognosis · History
This is one of my favorite youtube channels.
the problem we have is that most people want to interpret the bible literally, that's when it becomes an absurd mess of hypocrisy and misconceptions, not all of us have the intellectual capability to understand it metaphorically, as it was intended, it took a long time for me to gain this perception,
Different denominations view the Bible more metaphorically than literal.
Tell me about Nietzsche: prove his thoughts on the Golden Rule.
Jim Adams this is a later response but he was against the categorical imperative, which was devised but Immanuel Kant and which is in essence a highly intellectual golden rule. Read Twilight of the idols by Nietzsche for more.
That is not true. Nietzsche did not try to get rid of morality. He kept pointing out that the old morality based on Christianity is false. He offered a new morality which is the morality of love, freedom, and full responsibility.
***** As I said before, Nietzsche wanted to get rid of the old Christian based morals. He offered new ones. You need to read Nietzsche's books again and pay close attention to what he says. He tries to educate others on higher morals, on love and kindness for all beings free from dictation, religion, and dogma based ideas like holding the other cheek. That is not utilitarian and not materialistic. He protected a horse once from being beaten by shielding him with his own body. That action proved that he was walking his talk on the ideal of the superhuman. He was only against what other people regarded as responsibility which he rejected. Kant is the philosopher who taught irresponsibility in a very dangerous form giving people permission to do cruel acts. Nietzsche condemned this. Someone might argue that they find it "responsible" to shoot abortion doctors to do "gods" work. I am using a drastic example here, there are many more examples in the Christian religion which would take months to describe. Nietzsche's idea of responsibility is to live a clean life free from alcohol, free from tobacco, free from dishonesty, free from bragging, free from speciecism, racism and bigotry. His teachings are very clear and straightforward. Nietzsche gave his life to teaching and it was indeed rough.
***** I have a problem with the current translations that's why I am translating Thus Spoke Zarathustra and will later on translate his other books if I still have the time to do so since it will take years and years. But I have seen some of the English translations and they are pitiful and even dangerous because they make themselves misunderstood. Nietzsche's work is already subject for misinterpretation enough that's why Hitler and later Nazis hawked his work for themselves to promote something that he was against. His sister Elisabeth has rewritten some of his text! This is a horrific crime because it falsified Nietzsche's important teachings of love, respect and honesty. She made it into something which it was Not. Rudolf Steiner has tried to rescue his work but who knows how much was falsified. How could anybody have found out which was which.
What he praised was not to be a ruthless dictator like Napoleon, but the power from within instead of the submissiveness to dictators. He criticized people for rewarding the pity instead of helping others to empower themselves. Compassion is Not pity. Compassion is feeling the other being's needs and doing something to really help that individual. Not to pity him. Not to feed him and make him dependent. This in regards to humans of course. For animals they can't feed themselves so we have to feed them because we took them out of the wild where they used to be independent. But we can still empower a dog or horse by showing him or her how to do certain simple things and then praise them with love, words and food, that empowers them, that makes them feel like they achieved something. I talk from experience with dogs and horses who I have trained. All beings work on this principle of empowerment.
If you read the books by Rudolf Steiner you will see that Elisabeth was capable of manipulating his statements. And who knows who else has tempered with them. Have you read Thus Spoke Zarathustra yet? This book is a fairy tale about a teacher who had actually lived before the Buddha. His wisdom is free from religion and full of love. Nietzsche most likely did not touch a darker skinned person inappropriately. He was very careful and particular about his conduct. Only when he got sick with a virus which disabled his frontal cortex he began doing weird things, but not aggressive things and not abusive things. His love for the horse has nothing to do with his illness. I would do the same if I encountered a situation like that. He taught deep caring and love and mental freedom therefore he was unhappy with the main agenda on people's minds which is hedonism, wastefulness, and selfishness.
I only have read the German version. In that version the eagle, snake and other animals are only equated with specific good characteristics, I don't remember anything like what you pointed out. They probably translated it poorly. I have seen this before from other translated books. That is very sad. That is the only reason why I translate the book other than that its hard work and would rather be drinking hot carob with whipped cream on it. What he means by favoring sickly over healthy folks is that society in general seems to value a submissiveness over a self empowerment. Those values today have shifted a bit with people like Tony Robbins. They did indeed carry a lot of impotent beliefs in the past which have come from Christianity. The native beliefs before the Roman Empire took over Europe were much more in tune with nature, the animals and with metabolism. They respected their own needs, mental and physical. Christianity was trying to take that natural self respect away from people in order to make them more dependent and submissive. Only this trend is what Nietzsche criticized. He wrote provocatively and loud but one has to put things into perspective. I do appreciate your interest in this historic figure.
***** Just because the dominating factor of survival is the flight syndrome rather than the fight syndrome does not give the concept of submission a glorification status.
Do not watch "specials" about Nietzsche, unless you have already read and feel like you've comprehended him through his own books and words; this man isn't intended to perhaps be properly understood by esteemed speakers or school-teachers.
There is a curious exception on TH-cam . . . See channel 'Ontologistics', and his videos.
The seperate rest I have seen were completely obnoxious and without proper purpose.
They typically tend to include "expected" character attacks versus an objective penetration of the man's thought.
Or more properly put: "blah blah blah"
+Paul R. ...thnx Paul...I'm a home reader (wanna-be-scholar) and find it frustrating with vids that do not get to the meat of the matter. I'll check out that channel.
I find the most useful thing about this video is that is it a more reasonable Christian response to Nietzsche. Nothing beat just reading the original works, rather than someone else' interpretation.
Paul R. I’ll try finding Ontologistics. Thank you.
I love the narrator.
Jerad Clark-----Sounds GOOD to me. I have nothing against self-confidence or autoreliance. However I know no one is "Superman". I almost died in ER from blood infection. My life was in the hands of the nurses.
I'm surprised that you are not interested, especially with your obvious opinions, but it is just as well....we both agree that neither of us really know, that's a great accomplishment for me.
Brilliant, thanks so much for sharing your insights.
I love Friedrich Nietzsche, he inspires me to be a better a better Christian (person.) Well, he absolutely does, it is in his core.
Why does talk about philosophy always fall into gossip about the person’s life?
because it shapes there philosophy ?
This was interesting. Thanks
"The Christian theological division of agent and action itself is artificial for Nietzsche, if not all out false. For him, it is impossible for a person not to be equal to their actions or for their worth not to be defined by their actions. Further, by affirming the division between agent and action in ideology we... we perpetuate the system of masters and slaves."
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Very interesting, thanks!
thank you! great post
It is a held thought even in psychology that a fully socialized individual needs to maintain proper boundaries between himself and others. It is the basis of the social contract in both sociology and politics. Think what you will of Christianity, but do unto others is so much preferred than do what thou wilt as aliester Crowley would’ve had it. Whatever paths are chosen, there are benefits and consequences. I myself see it’s better to “err” on the side of Christianity. I firmly believe that Neitzsche’s madness stemmed from the struggle he had with God. That’s just my opinion.
Extremely good comment Sir. "What morals do you want", I ask peope.
The personification of talking a good fight. That in a nutshell is Nietzsche.
Very nicely done! Thank you
Personal spirituality does not necessitate religious dogma...
I like what Zizek said about this: Christianity IS, in a literal sense, faith in the shadow of the death of god, of an absolute beyond or transcendent certainty
What exactly does that mean?
Explain please
@@NogGonnaMakeIt the first thing you see when you enter most churches is a crucifix
The tea most sought after is the flavorless flavor.
No shirty; No ticky. Oblivion ensues..
Correction…his critique of Catholicism…He was heavily influenced by Dostoyevsky….another guy who criticized Catholics for becoming superstitious….Christian god is a moral god.
Early Greek Christian’s we’re all about following morality,free will and study of psychology
Thank you for this synopsis.
This was very interesting and helpful.
Christianity is Plato for the masses. It is the metaphysics of the hangman.
It's really too bad Nietzsche never came across the esoteric aspects of Torah. He derived much of the dogma on his own, but only the questions never reaching over to grasp even a single answer. We can all learn from this. What a noble and brave soul.
Which esoteric aspects do you mean? Years ago, I read Nietzsche alot, and some of the Kabbalah. A lot of passages in Zarathustra seemed to echo the Zohar
The idea of a supreme being is man's creation. Someone we humans can look up to emulate and regard as a model and a good example. But God or whatever we want to call it has a life independently of us humans. God doesn't need us. It is the other way around.
It's interesting that the story of Christ as portrayed in the gospels is a great example of Greek tragedy.
The person you show as Plato, is actually Aristotle.
"and he never reached a point of sanity again".. Insanity is a social construct. His thoughts were probably evolving and accelerating, breaking his thoughts out of the prison frameworks of society. Definitely the most misunderstood thinker of all time.
No, he had syphilis and it damaged his brain. I adore Nietzsche, but that's the truth
17:06 Is that face in the clouds in the upper right corner of the painting intentionally painted by the artist? What Nietzsche means is that humans have "killed" or a better term is disconnected themselves from the infinite cosmos through their religiousness. That's why he said in his books that humans need to yet be saved from their savior. The infinite cosmos can not die because it is eternal.
Nietzche's brother in law could not have been properly fascist before Mussolini, as the syndicalist anarchism/socialism movement had not splitted yet from the internationalism. The germans have carried the supermacist vice for centuries
Thank you sir !!
Yes, indeed. There must be a better world than this. But where? Maybe in the afterlife. Thank you ☺️
Where's part 2?
Nietzsche's success in spreading his view was heavily infuenced by timing principally. Mid to late 19th century was simmering in the psychological understanding of the human being.
Quite informative.
Belief in the transforming power of love is a belief in magic, and is therefore an otherworldly belief.
I will write about the first two minutes of this video, and it is no good:
He says,
"...it's hard to say why N. is so influential in some ways, because it's been pointed out that his thought is idiosyncratic [0:15]....."
Why is that a bad or a good thing?? He is of course idiosyncratic, he is an individual. And to say he doesn't KNOW why, and then make a video telling us why... well, that's just dishonest, not to mention he is most probably wrong.
"... and there's always an element that's incalculable here I think,... but N. I think, spoke for things that were already going on, articulated things going on... christianity has come to an end in terms of intellectual respectability... and I think one reason he is so influential is that N. pushes hard to get us to understand the implications of what he called the death of god... now lets get rid of morality..."
Incalculable?? well tell me something that is not so damn obvious!! Anything that lends itself to interpretation by so much a wide range of "intellectuals" has to have an "incalculable" element, or ten.
The whole damn video is like that. A dwarf disguisedly hating on a giant, in the form of "criticism".
I mean, "... it caught something in the atmosphere in his day, and has caught something in the atmosphere since then as well..."
At about 11:23... which Greek amphitheater is it? There is a beautiful backdrop of the mountains, a picturesque scene.
As someone with great respect for Nietzsche, I think it is really cool that Christians are able to present his life and philosophy in a fair and respectable manner. Especially not giving any heed to the accusations of fascism that are common. I would agree that Christianity is not just otherworldly in its outlook, and I think in a sense N. would agree too. I think the real problem here is that Christians use the otherworldly as a foundation for their values. This is was N. was attacking.
when someone knows a subject so well any expression will become deep erudition by default.
Simple, he made it personal.
How many devils are on the head of Nietzsche's pin?
Advanced intellect with no fear of God is a pathway to madness.
He didn`t become " mad " because of his high intellect. And one more thing, he didn`t believe in demons and angels.
@@eagleeye182 maybe he believed in angels and demons during his final illness, or before or just after his death. We'll never know.
@@davidstokes5905 As far as I know, he had an advanced stage of syphilis, hence the mental illness.
@@eagleeye182 his apparent intellect lead him to sleep with prostitutes which of course lead to his syphilitic downfall. Which life was superior, Christ's or Nietzsche's?
Do an episode on Liberation Theology Please!
I found the opening remarks unfathomable. All thoughts comes from someone somewhere. Why wouldn't someone be inclined to think critically and independently?! Did I detect a hint of chauvinism?! Interesting.
It seems to me that Nietzsche derived his understanding of Christian anthropology from a particular tradition- namely, the tradition in which he was raised, Lutheranism- that isn't actually representative of Christian thought more generally. The Reformers (Luther and Calvin, etc) had a bleak and pessimistic understanding of human nature; whereas thinkers such as Thomas Aquinas and the Eastern Fathers were far more balanced. I would also add that the OT & NT give the lie to the Reformers, I think
for whatever it is worth . i truly believe Nietzsche thought himself to death.
Pythagoras' story in relation to reincarnation precedes both Dostoevsky and Nietzsche's.
One thing people should know is that Nietzsche's criticism of Christianity is mostly about German Christianity, which is all he knew, though he traveled to Italy a few times it seems he had little interactions with the Italians. German Christianity was perhaps one of the most dour forms of Christianity, and so speaks more perhaps of the Germans than of Christianity. How Germans went from being barbarians in the Roman times to freaks about precision and punctuality is impossible to explain, but they did, and the German dourness may have been present in Roman times as well, but I don't think anyone really knows. Few people seem to know that shortly (a few decades) after the murder of Yeshua of Nazareth, Christianity spread to Southwest India where it barely spread, but it did a little, and did not have any of the German dourness in it's character. And those who took up Christianity initially in S. West India formed a lasting community which came to be more pleasant and sane in many ways than life in the rest of India. Even today, Kerala, India, which is I think a majority Christian state, has one of the highest, if not the highest literacy rates in India. Life is laid back in Kerala and nothing at all like Germany. So I think it makes sense to look around a bit and see if Christianity really is the poison claimed by Nietzsche.
Huh? Kerala is much different than Germany, and Christianity in Kerala never acquired the Lutheran dourness or bitterness that N. disliked. So reaction to Christianity actually did change people differently in these two widely separated places. One can hardly call the difference between Kerala and Germany "nothing". Another example of a very different cultural feel brought about by Christianity is in the Indian state of Meghalaya, which is generally considered a Christian state in India though there are still many tribals on the outskirts. Like Kerala, Meghalaya is very laid back, except that the tribals often have squabbles over land rights and government handouts, but those flare up and then extiquish again without much of significant effect on the overall laidbackness. The largest golf course in the world is in Meghalaya. Meghalaya is somtimes called the Scotland of India due to similar weather.
+rh001YT
why does Wikipedia say Kerala's population is 50% Hindu the other 50% Christians and Muslim ? It seems Christianity is not reason for the area's high standard of living conditions.
Huh? 50% Christian is incredibly significant for India where Christians make up only about 10% or less of the population. It is the significant % of Christians in Kerala that tip the culture into the more pleasant environment. That comes about for several reasons, one notable reason being the large number of Christian schools which have spurred that state towards something close to 100% literacy which is quite impressive for India. Within Christianity in Kerala women have enjoyed good status, higher than that of Hindu women in HIndu culutre who are typically considered second to men. In fact Hindus have a holiday known as Bhai Phonta, which means "brother gratitude/celebration" when boys put on their finest clothing and sisters give them presents and serve them a special holiday meal. There is no similar holiday for the girls.
Meghalaya, the other state in India with a large percent of Christians, is the only state not connected to the rail grid. It's not that the govt in Delhi does not want to pay for the connection, it's that the people of Meghalaya oppose the connection! Meghalaya is fairly sedate with a low crime rate, but there are somewhat frequent agitations and sometimes political murders by indigineous/animist groups that can't get along with each other and want more government sops.
None of this would be a surprise to Nietzsche who sometimes praised Christianity and only sometimes disparaged her on the mere grounds of having a dim view of some strong pleasures, and on the claim that all people are politically equal which can lead to a dumbing down of society. However Christianities significant effort to educate has sort of dispelled the dumbing down hypothesis.
rh001YT so, you're saying that all the Hindus are taught at Christian schools and this makes them better citizens ?
rh001YT btw, Nietzsche also critiqued the supposed life of Jesus as described in the Bible. That is central to all Christianity, not just in Germany.
'Thus Spake Zarathustra - audiobook - Friedrich Nietzsche - Midwinter Update'. (english.) TH-cam.
When you only have been exposed to the western form of christianity that lacks all true mysticism and understanding of the mysteries, this is what happens. Orthodoxy had the answers.
At 12:37 it talks about Plato, however, it actually shows a photo of Aristotle
Great video
Jim Adams, truth is what you make it. It is NOT absolute but personal and diverse. Why do you think there are so many paths to heaven-man's perception/s. The creators spirit lives in all things organic. Love and respect of others is the ultimate act and conquest. That's my perspective.
The Gnostic ideology is quite interesting. While most enjoy learning, if it is taken to its end though an abnormal reasoning process the consequences appear profound. The more you know should demonstrate that you may not know much at all. As an old man, that's where I am ending up and it's not a bad thing at all.
Nietzche was a zealot confounded by his own searing criticism of Christianity descended into madness
Very limited views of the work of Nietzsche. I could easily say this guy is a Christian Apologist. It hurts to say "dead is god", hun? I saw your pain. I am on the wrong channel.
Life: We are born. The average life is 85 years. We suffer 83 years. We are happy 2 years. We are use delusional 1 1/2 years. Welcome to life.
Compassion is not pity. It has been observed that animals of a social species DO have a functional conscience that guides their social organization; it is the same type of internal mechanism that guides the social organization of ALL social species. Humanity is a social species. What makes it a social species is baked into our DNA...as morality. The primary function of that morality is to ensure the survival of the species.
It is not enough to ensure the survival of the individual...it must also guide the survival of the entire species. We are wired to serve two masters...Our "morality" is manifested by, and revealed by, how we work with others, NOT by how we are when alone. That is the basis for compassion...a DNA-given mechanism that allows us to occupy the ecological niche of a social species...not a solitary species. That is what Ayn Rand did not understand about her species, denying the existence of the morality that equips humans for teamwork and social organization...you know: love of others...and a joy in united efforts. The FINAL determinant of good and bad is what is good for the species...not the individual. This will be fought over throughout the spectrum of human moral guidance...but understanding its function is the first step to comprehending its source and its role in our survival as a species.
So when he said, "God is dead.", he was referring to his father, who died when he was 4. Or he was angry at God for taking his father away when he was so young.
No, he meant that modern thought had made the historical conception of a purpose-giving God obsolete, and that humanity was both free and cursed to find their own reason to live on Earth.
Jesus and Nietzsche! 👍
I was hoping to hear what Nietzsche's arguments were. I did not hear any arguments against Christianity. Very disappointed.
What do you expect from a Christian apologist?
the message of Jesus is the same as the message of Nietzche, which is : Struggle to survive and triumph in the world of lies by being the truth.
Neitzche is not Anti Jesus, but anti christian organization and anti interpretation of Jesus's ministry by imaginitive authors of scriptures. The narrator incorrectly interprets the signature of Nietzche.
Right wring equal small government, free market capitalism and individual freedom. How on the Hell is fascism right wing?
Grasping this tension in the mind of Nietzsche, would be odd . . . people are a perception between the distraught and open dialect. Change the adjective to a noun and see what it means; grasping notions upon this is a point of logic, if it was to say a point in time it would mean some new definition, as i say this, it seems to be a point of a direct path with conceptual motivation directing to a bold solution. (We are) to become a surging of emotion and feeling. Nietzsche is talking about the nerve and the culture surrounding this so called Christianity in no appointment for any nerve, yet they try to define it, and as I can say is always there. A solution decays in a universe where the mind is apart of the antenna's dimension.
Like thousands of journalists and economists mostly speculate over contemporary issues; do modern philosophers and teachers do the same (needless thing) ? About these by-gone greats and personas important? Almost every major post-modern philosopher disagrees about the definitions we can draw about Nietzche's discourse and text - or for that matter Spinoza, Kant and XYZ
Humorous hubris would be a scientist attempting to disprove God using logic which we now know is either inconsistent or incomplete.
Christianity is no system but rather its a process, a process with an end game which is directly connected to the nature of the ubermensche. So what really did Nierzsche actually believe??
You said nothing about the subject.
16:03 "In Human, All Too Human, Nietzsche talks about the way in which Christian's, barely humans as it were, in mud. [Christians] regard humans as miserable little worms, and then humans cry out gratefully to God because of all his grace. And Nietzsche hates that." Sounds like Nietzsche was of sound mind to reject that version of Christian anthropology which comes from Luther and Calvin.
Does anyone else notice how this guy sounds like A.C Grayling?
Sounds just like him.
I would have loved to hear Nietzsche insight on consciousness and reality after having taken a high dose of DMT
_"Mystical explanations are thought to be deep; the truth is that they are not even shallow."_
Zarathustra
Well of course he isn't 'real', why are we having this conversation again? Nietzsche's human ideals (of which the ubermensch is only one example) are human exemplars which illustrate his philosophy. It is pretty silly to say that because Nietzsche uses these ideal people in his philosophy he is somehow a Platonist.