Thank you Stefan, For looking into this serious problem that seems to come unexpectedly. I hope this solves the death wobble issue. It would be saving life's and many accidents. Again, thank you Stefan. Peace ✌️😎
Thanks your instructions were simple direct to the point oh and thanks for correcting the flags first time I've seen your channel I will try to catch more 🇺🇲👍
I’d like to schedule a swing arm under carriage wash. Thank you. 😂 great video Stefan. Also I think you’re a better tech than most dudes at HD dealerships. Not Laidlaws though 😜
🤣I learned from the best, Eric, John, Tony, Steve, Jamie and more. Sorry to say that I do underside swing arm cleaning only on higher displacement engines, but maybe You have a surprise for me in 2024? Can't wait to see you guys at Laidlaws again...
Thank you Mr. Stephan and team! Very much appreciate your sharing knowledge and guidance in our bike ownership experience! Awesome work! Thank you again!
good video, the entire kit can be installed without wheel or swingarm removal by just adding it through the plug holes, and without removing the pivot shaft, but a jack is needed to align bushing in hole, fat part of the green goes on bottom.
Thank you for this great video. I’ll be sure to share it with my trusted mechanic to get this job done for me because no way I’m taking that on! Awesome job! 💯
How has it taken me this long to realize Stefan had his own channel?! Awesome vid Stefan, will definitely coming back for more. I was fortunate enough to live in Germany for a few years and I miss it often. I always appreciated the no nonsense, seemingly dry, but very witty senses of humor that Stefan is full of is great. In regards to the compensator, kush is pronounced more like koosh and is in reference to cannibis, which makes the "legal in 50 states" claim funny, but Stefan relating it to TÜV was hilarious. Again, great vid, will have to do this update myself. Danke!
Thank you, Gentlemen, for this outstanding block of instruction and introducing the Alloy Arts suspension bushing reinforcements and compensator to us your audience! I purchased a 2023 Road King Special on Sep. 30 2023 and this will be great preventative maintenance for my bike!
I installed the rear wheel Alloy Arts compensator this past season definitely tightened up my rear wheel much better quality than OEM. This off season I plan on replacing my rubber swing arm isolators and add the Alloy Arts reinforcement plugs. I will of course inspect the bearing for wear replace if needed and will definitely clean the swing arm 😂😂😂😂
Excellent. I've always known this was a neglected system the motorcycle and not just Harleys but most all. I will looking for your part to add stability to my bike as well, thank you.
Thanks for the show Stefan. Indeed I know how to install the rear wheel, and at 20:22 I see your (?) little detail, that is the black marker spot on the belt tensioner cam, to see if it stays in the same position after riding, so the axle nut is tight enough. I put on the same marker there on my bike, and after replacing the rear tire, I turn the cam back on the marker, and then the rear belt tension is the same as before the rear wheel removal. So I can see that the belt does never stretch on my bikes. And of course, I clean the swing arm as well !
Poly or stiff bushings in the neck/trees and bars on touring/baggers makes a big difference too.. I changed swingarm,bushings front and rear motor mount bushings, rack and pull for adjustments, and new legends +2 in front & 14" piggy backs in rear.. After the winter motor work, I found how bad my old 2010 bike with 36k miles on it had got.. When you buy one new and ride it stock for 1yr then, full stg 2 w/ S&S 583, V&H pro pipe, & big sucker intake.. Rode it like that for over 30k miles thru 14yrs as I bought it new.. In spring of 2022, she started ticking on the top end, and needed a new clutch, stator & compensator anyways, so I went all out and restored the whole bike.. Took it down to bare frame, all new bushings and bearings, new suspension as I stated, new radio, painted inner fairing, 19in front wheel, 14+ bags & lids, new LePera Step up seat, chain drive, down one tooth on front inside primary, full S&S 107cu inch cylinders & custom ported S&S heads with bigger valves & 10.8:1 compression, S&S cam plate, HP oil pump ect,.. The whole bike has transformed into an amazing riding bike.. I love how easy it is for the M8 to make power, but I love my old analog bike, with no screens, no abs, no t/c, no nothing to impede.. Its so easy to transform a boring old bike into something amazing for $10-15k bucks..
I truly enjoyed your step by step how-to-video and the need for the upgrade. Captain, you can fly me anywhere with confidence, motorcycle or airplane. Great video drop! Thank you for sharing.
Great vlog Stefan! Excellent detail in the work you are performing. I like that you were able to perform the work on the floor. My 07 FLTR with 195K miles and my 94 FXR may be in need of the service you recommend... All my best 🇺🇸
For those who don’t want to dive into removing the swing arm and installing the bushings alloy art also has the M8 touring stabilizer I have one on my 2018 street glide and it helped tame the death wobble. The only weird thing is it doesn’t have left and right hand threads on the heim joints so turning the turn buckle to adjust isn’t possible.
thank u for the help. I ordered mine and started removing things!! I hope no left extra screws in the end. I even started recording on my 360 but i'm not as good as u. From Miami!! I got a 2022 special ride glide. Cheers
Fantastic video describing the procedure of removing the rear swing arm Stephan. I changed the drive belt on my 2018 Street Glide, and followed the Harley Davidson Maintenance manual procedure as written. It’s very confusing when it comes to removing the swing arm axle and bolts from each side, if trying to understand the manual. But after having done it once, and now, watching your video, for those that are going to tackle the job…Stephan’s video makes it abundantly clear as to how to remove the bolts and axle as opposed to how the manual is written. Bravo Stephan! BTW..My rotations have me operating the South Pacific/Caribbean routes from Canada lately. Hopefully I’ll be crossing the Atlantic again in the near future. I’ll be maintaining my listening watch on 123.45… Cheers
Your welcome, only use it when you actually have wobble. It definitely introduces engine vibrations into the frame. It’s only worth it, when actually affected and not for just precautionary means
This may have been addressed already but I’ve read elsewhere that this helps out tremendously. Only drawback is it also creates a rougher ride given the material is stiffer than stock. I don’t really care if it is or isn’t. I will still be replacing mine ASAP. Great video, just want some feedback on ride quality. Thanks.
Good video Stefan. I believe the Rack and Pull industries Equalizer tool used in conjunction with the installation of an adjustable top front stabilizer (replacing the oem non adjustable) to be able to bring the drive train into alignment correct? The swing arm can't move up and down for adjustment as the swing arm pivot shaft runs through the rear transmission case. The adjustable front stabilizer is the key the same as it was on Twin Cams & FXR's.
@@stefansgarage3014 Their tool is very nice to have. The missing Link is also a good investment in my opinion. I'm still rocking and loving the Wilbers also. Stay safe.
You are correct. The only way to get rear swing arm in a correct vertical plan is to check swing arm vertical alignment with the equalizer tool to get a measurement of the left and right rear swing arm. Normally the left side is off due to that being the drive side. In order to properly align the rear swing arm vertical plane. You need to adjust the motor left to right alignment and that is done by replacing the none adjustable stabilizer link with an adjustable stabilizer link this allows you to move the whole drive train to the left or right then check the rear swing arm alignment when stabilizer tool shows in alignment then you can lock down the stabilizer link nuts. Just adding those bushings is not addressing the true issue.
Greetings from Scandinavia! My Road Glide is much improved since I followed your Wilbers recommendation. Sometimes it is necessary for me to ride at high speeds to cover longer motorway routes. I’ve had the wobble before and will book this next modification with you.
Thank you for watching, there will definitely be a follow up in the future, as the solution is not just bushings. Some bikes wobble, others don't (like ours).
@@ashebarley77385 it varies from bike to bike. On this M8 it was immediately noticeable, being wobbly, I would accept it, but being stable, it’s annoying
Great video! I should really do this on my '17 King, as I'm almost positive the rear swing arm is misaligned. Will give these a try, and clean my swing arm!
You can do a quick measurement with a measuring tape iso the equalizer and check the resistance of the swingarm bearing with wheel and shocks removed, before you go deep down the rabbit hole
There is an adjustable motor mount link that is on the top front of the engine. It can be adjusted to correct and mis alignment in the frame. The stock fixed length unit is avarage close enough for most bikes but to be exact. The adjustable is required. Great video
Unfortunately not anymore. In 2009 Harley seems to have replaced the adjustable front motor mount with a rigid one. But aftermarket (Rack and Pull) they are still offered.
On my 2016 Roadglide the lower mount bracket was still on the frame. No connector there but the mounting point was. I purchased a link that ran from the stock frame mount to the engine mount bolts and used it till I sold the bike last month.. There is also an after market adjustable mount for the replacement of the fixed HD mount link.. @@stefansgarage3014
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Cleaned the part. So few do. The mark of a Master in any endeavor.
Clear video, Stefan. Best I've seen on yt in terms of explanation. However, a question about the rear shock absorbers. I have a new set of Hyperpro where the left one is 5mm longer than the right one (it is also in the description). Also, I have Progressive Suspenion 912 lying around where the same applies. So why is that? Greetz from holland
Honestly, I do Hyperpro only on fork springs for models, I don't get Wilbers (as well with good results). I have no idea why they would do symmetrical shocks with different length.
Great job , one part mostly neglected by tuners , never saw this addressed on Tube before for sure I'll do that to my roadglide . A 2019 with 134k miles bushings must be jelly by now. Thanks good video.
Stefan, I surely enjoyed your videos and they are very informative and entertaining. I’ve purchased a new 24 FLTRX and I’m having the Wilbur’s Nivomat and also the Alloy Art Bushings and Cush damper installed from the beginning. I had a previous 24 FLTRX for a short time, for 1399 miles. But someone decided to run into my new bike and it’s totaled. So I’ve purchased a replacement.
Greetings from California,USA! Great demonstration,very clear and easy to understand. But where did you acquire that measuring device? What is the manufacturer's name please.
I could do it, but that's a lot of work, but if I need these upgrades I'll pick a snowy day to do it. Glad to see I'm not the only person to keep the swing arm clean, front to back. Although, this CVO is a little tougher to get in and clean the front of the arm. Oh, and I think your new '23 CVO is the best, fast smooth, nice looking, well even smoother when I put the Wilber shocks on. And again, my wife wants to see more of your rides around your countryside.
Nice video/work. I've seen others change the top engine fixed stabilizer bar with an adjustable one that is used to pull the swing arm and frame into alignment based on the differences of the shock mounting holes. Makes me wonder if the engine/frame/swing arm alignment issue is putting undue stress on the swing arm bushings and allowing them to become compromised? Chicken or the egg??
It's a combination of many factors, I have the adjustable engine mount and removed the bushings again. There are bike out being cured after bushings/engine mount, others are not. It's far more complicated than that. I just didn't have time for the follow up video...
Darn it Stefan, once i have seen that i cannot unsee it. And i just got the back wheel in after a tyre change and a clean up. I may as well order some now and pull the swinger.
Kurzer Erfahrungsbericht: Hab die Dinger nach 300km testen am Wochenende wieder ausgebaut😟. Verbaut waren sie in einer Street Glide mit 103er TC mit Wilbers Fahrwerk. Alles ordnungsgemäß verbaut, Schwingenlager gereinigt, gefettet und mit dem notwendigen Drehmoment wieder zusammengebaut. Nach dem Einbau wurden die motorseitigen Vibrationen so verstärkt, dass es bis 2000 Umdrehungen fast nicht möglich war den Tacho abzulesen. Extrem spürbar speziell beim Abtouren (Gaswegnehmen). Absolute Zumutung in Verbindung mit dem TC Motor und daher für mich keine Option. Werde jetzt noch mal testen, ob ich nur mit dem korrekt eingestellten verstellbaren Stabi eine Vetbesserung spüre.
Danke für das Feedback. Unser TC-Freund hatte die gleichen Erfahrungen gemacht, das steht in keinem Verhältnis zu den Vorteilen, zumal in einem Geschwindigkeitsbereich, in dem er eh nicht fährt.
Hallo Stefan,Ich habe in meiner 2018 Street Glide schon das Wilbers eingebaut,absolut genial,in Verbindung mit Metzeler Cruistec Reifen richtig geil.Nun habe ich,nach dem ich das Video gesehen habe,mir noch die Buchsen in USA bestellt,und eingebaut.Heute dann die ernüchternde Probefahrt.Meine 1440 Stroker Shovel schüttelt kaum weniger wie die Street Glide mit den Buchsen.Ich finde das eigentlich unfahrbar.Harley hat sich sicherlich auch was dabei gedacht,als sie die Geometrie,und das Material für die Silentelemente entwickelt haben.Kurzum,ich hab das Zeug wieder ausgebaut,und nichts schüttelt,so wie es sich für so einen Reisekoffer gehört.
Servus „Mercury“ danke für das Feedback, bei unseren zwei 131er CVOs sind die Motorvibrationen deutlich wahrnehmbar, aber nicht unangenehm. Die 103erTC und die 121VVT konnten wir noch nicht fahren. Wilbers hat auch schon ein paar umgebaut, ohne Beanstandung. Momentan hab ich keine Idee, was bei deiner fehlen könnte.
good video, i have an 08 UC with a stage 3 kit and go 200 kph alot and never had this problem, only issue is with wind on fairing on a windy day that causes a little instability. That 131 is to much motor for laced wheels would have got cast, should have checked to see if all tight when you had it out. Cheers from toronto
Maybe a misunderstanding, it's preventive upgrade. The 2021 CVO with 131 was solid as a rock, we just wanted to get experience on the reinforcement bushings and have an ultralight moving swing arm
It does, browse through the comments, I gave my experience about the vibrations. From noticeable to unbearable, depending on model and engine. But unfortunately no specifics
Great job Stefan,like your channel by the way the flag was right when you go to war you run towards the battlefield which means the flag would be blowing in the wind as you run.Great channel
Not yet, as the weather is still to bad to get a lot of miles. There is a significant introduction of engine vibrations by the reinforcement bushings. Therefore on the TC, we removed them. On the M8 it’s noticeable but ok, so here they will stay. I want to emphasize that both bikes were stable and we want to get experience with the bushings. Unstable bikes were cured, with the bushings and an adjustable upper engine mount, as some comments show.
Stefan looking forward to your thoughts later down the road on this product…have read of more vibration after installing these bushings..your opinion will be greatly appreciated
So far I made a short ride with RHCP on brandnew tires with the Gooden-Tite. It felt very good, no vibration. Of course on Wilbers, maybe stock suspension has a negative effect. I will put them on Singlemalt as well, when she’s back from Wilbers
Stefan; I have a 2002 CVO Road king, 95 cu.in. would this be the same procedure on mine? I have always replaced my own tires, both front and rear. my lift has a drop out to lower the rear wheel. thank you nice video.
I saw an American video and they said that all Harley's that they've seen have this problem, but cure it with a front engine mount that is adjustable to give you perfect alignment, not 0.5mm out. Is this correct as I'm led to believe that the swingarm bolt goes through the transmission case ?
Adjustable front engine mount does help, some Harleys have an aligned swingarm, others don't. You are right, the swing arm axle goes through the transmission case, therefor tilting the engine affects the swingarm alignment.
Ladies and Gentlemen, watch in wonder as Stefan shows you the Ninth (or maybe Tenth) Wonder of the World, the Underside of a Harley Swingarm. 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously, great info and you remind me of what I miss most of Deutschland, the people. Ride safe, Amigo.
The Equalizer von rackandpull.com , schicken glaube ich nicht nach Europa. Nur Not geht auch ein Zollstock, bzw Wilbers hat auch so ein ähnliches Werkzeug gebaut.
Hi, How much did the vibration levels increase after fitting this kit? I ask because I fitted the same kit to my RG24 as per the instructions and the comments and tips in this video. The OE istaltors are in the right place. Bushings o ALLOY ART are positioned correctly. The vibration level is significant - especially when letting off the gas. The vibration is strongest in the 2500-3500 rpm range. Even the handlebar shake a lot.
On ours it was much less than you describe. Nevertheless we removed them again. All bikes were stable in the first place, so getting vibrations for nothing didn’t make sense. I know 5 different M8s, that were unstable, being straight now. For that I would accept the vibrations.
@@WhiteRG24 No as the swing arm axle is rear engine mount as well, everything that increases stability on the swing arm introduces vibrations into the frame. Wilbers did some research, with those stabilizers as well.
Congrats Stefan for your sensational TH-cam Episode now going viral 😎👍 You earned it - please continue to post helpful HD content! I'm sad that you do not change bushings as a service, because I would like to enjoy Apfelstrudel watching you replacing these parts like when you optimzed my bike's suspnsion😄 One question: In standstill or while driving, is there a clear indication that the bushings should be replaced? Greetings from Patrick 🙋♂
You would gain a lot of weight while watching me… If your bike isn’t wobbly, don’t change anything. I would check the easy movement of the swing arm during a rear tire change. If the movement is stiff, the swing arm needs to be removed to clean/change the bearings. That’s the proper moment to change the bushings. If you have wobble, change them right away
Hey Stefan, can I also ask you what you think about replacing front motor stabilizer with the adjustable one as well as adding a rear motor stabilizer of Alloy Art? Is the green bushings replacement good enough or we should also think of the front and the rear motor stabilizers? Thank you in advance. Your fan who watched all your US adventures with Matt, MDB and Cycle Fanatix.
Hi Kadim, thanks for your support and for taking part in the „adventures“. I have ordered some missing link adjustable front motor mounts for our bikes. However all swingarms were aligned precisely-the bikes were all stable before. Honestly I’m not a good(hard) enough rider to get my Harley to the limits, partly because of proper maintenance, good tires, good suspension. RHCP is stable above 120 mph during turns on the Autobahn. I will continue the research with other bikes, for the moment I have no answer for your question. Ride safe and continue watching
This guy is a comedian, a teacher, motorcycle mechanic, TH-camr, and a pilot. I think it's safe to call Stefan a bona fide INTERNATIONAL SUPERSTAR.
😂😇👍🏻
Yes... but is he an astronaut???
You're not stupid my friend 😉Greetings from North Carolina USA 🇺🇸 👍😎
I'm from denton NC myself.
Thank you Stefan,
For looking into this serious problem that seems to come unexpectedly. I hope this solves the death wobble issue.
It would be saving life's and many accidents.
Again, thank you Stefan.
Peace ✌️😎
At least it solves it for mild custom upgrades. The more you interfere (handlebars/wheel sizes etc), the more complex it gets.
Thanks your instructions were simple direct to the point oh and thanks for correcting the flags first time I've seen your channel I will try to catch more 🇺🇲👍
I served as well, the flag always needs to be put up correctly...
I’d like to schedule a swing arm under carriage wash.
Thank you. 😂 great video Stefan. Also I think you’re a better tech than most dudes at HD dealerships. Not Laidlaws though 😜
🤣I learned from the best, Eric, John, Tony, Steve, Jamie and more. Sorry to say that I do underside swing arm cleaning only on higher displacement engines, but maybe You have a surprise for me in 2024? Can't wait to see you guys at Laidlaws again...
Thank you Mr. Stephan and team! Very much appreciate your sharing knowledge and guidance in our bike ownership experience!
Awesome work! Thank you again!
Ha. The American flag part made me laugh. Great video.
good video, the entire kit can be installed without wheel or swingarm removal by just adding it through the plug holes, and without removing the pivot shaft, but a jack is needed to align bushing in hole, fat part of the green goes on bottom.
Definitely not!
Thank you for this great video. I’ll be sure to share it with my trusted mechanic to get this job done for me because no way I’m taking that on! Awesome job! 💯
Hi John, Get lowered have them on their website, so they are definitely familiar with it.
Safe rides, hope to meet you in 2024!
Stefan,Thank You for Sharing Your tutorials on Improving motorcycle maintenance and performance.
Nice job sir. Even swept the garage floor after the work was completed. Thanks.
Well it starts with the details...
How has it taken me this long to realize Stefan had his own channel?!
Awesome vid Stefan, will definitely coming back for more. I was fortunate enough to live in Germany for a few years and I miss it often. I always appreciated the no nonsense, seemingly dry, but very witty senses of humor that Stefan is full of is great.
In regards to the compensator, kush is pronounced more like koosh and is in reference to cannibis, which makes the "legal in 50 states" claim funny, but Stefan relating it to TÜV was hilarious.
Again, great vid, will have to do this update myself. Danke!
Sehr gerne! Now I get the joke about the legal in 50 states, 😉🪴
Thank you, Gentlemen, for this outstanding block of instruction and introducing the Alloy Arts suspension bushing reinforcements and compensator to us your audience! I purchased a 2023 Road King Special on Sep. 30 2023 and this will be great preventative maintenance for my bike!
I installed the rear wheel Alloy Arts compensator this past season definitely tightened up my rear wheel much better quality than OEM.
This off season I plan on replacing my rubber swing arm isolators and add the Alloy Arts reinforcement plugs. I will of course inspect the bearing for wear replace if needed and will definitely clean the swing arm 😂😂😂😂
Thanks for your tip Stefan and best wishes for the new year
You are welcome and same to you.
Excellent. I've always known this was a neglected system the motorcycle and not just Harleys but most all. I will looking for your part to add stability to my bike as well, thank you.
Great Job Stefan, glad to see such a well put together video on this topic I'll be replacing the rear isolator bushings and bearings soon.
@@JoeFurtado-xv5no Be careful, align the swingarm, but hesitate with the bushings. You will definitely get vibrations into the frame,
Thanks for the show Stefan.
Indeed I know how to install the rear wheel, and at 20:22 I see your (?) little detail, that is the black marker spot on the belt tensioner cam, to see if it stays in the same position after riding, so the axle nut is tight enough.
I put on the same marker there on my bike, and after replacing the rear tire, I turn the cam back on the marker, and then the rear belt tension is the same as before the rear wheel removal. So I can see that the belt does never stretch on my bikes.
And of course, I clean the swing arm as well !
Excellent and well done Stephan, danke schön.
Sehr gerne!
I like that you have mechanical sympathy, patience, experience and skill and you do not just "tear down" the bike like some amateur. Brilliant
Well, I am convinced that these machines have a soul and I treat them accordingly.
Excellent video guys.
Thanks so much!
Poly or stiff bushings in the neck/trees and bars on touring/baggers makes a big difference too.. I changed swingarm,bushings front and rear motor mount bushings, rack and pull for adjustments, and new legends +2 in front & 14" piggy backs in rear.. After the winter motor work, I found how bad my old 2010 bike with 36k miles on it had got.. When you buy one new and ride it stock for 1yr then, full stg 2 w/ S&S 583, V&H pro pipe, & big sucker intake.. Rode it like that for over 30k miles thru 14yrs as I bought it new.. In spring of 2022, she started ticking on the top end, and needed a new clutch, stator & compensator anyways, so I went all out and restored the whole bike.. Took it down to bare frame, all new bushings and bearings, new suspension as I stated, new radio, painted inner fairing, 19in front wheel, 14+ bags & lids, new LePera Step up seat, chain drive, down one tooth on front inside primary, full S&S 107cu inch cylinders & custom ported S&S heads with bigger valves & 10.8:1 compression, S&S cam plate, HP oil pump ect,.. The whole bike has transformed into an amazing riding bike.. I love how easy it is for the M8 to make power, but I love my old analog bike, with no screens, no abs, no t/c, no nothing to impede.. Its so easy to transform a boring old bike into something amazing for $10-15k bucks..
@@Clutch_Kick187 You put quite some work (and love!) in your ride👍🏻
I truly enjoyed your step by step how-to-video and the need for the upgrade. Captain, you can fly me anywhere with confidence, motorcycle or airplane. Great video drop! Thank you for sharing.
@@elviejogo2008 Thank you very much for the feedback
I never really knew that about the swingarm. Thank you for letting us know. Love the video.
Thank you for the feedback
I wish Stefan had a shop in the States.
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Great vlog Stefan! Excellent detail in the work you are performing. I like that you were able to perform the work on the floor. My 07 FLTR with 195K miles and my 94 FXR may be in need of the service you recommend... All my best 🇺🇸
195K! Wow you definitely own the crown👍
thx for the comedy !!!
Winter in Massachusetts US so this as well as the motor mounts are on my winter project list. This is a great video so thanks for sharing.
Winter in Germany as well😁
For those who don’t want to dive into removing the swing arm and installing the bushings alloy art also has the
M8 touring stabilizer I have one on my 2018 street glide and it helped tame the death wobble. The only weird thing is it doesn’t have left and right hand threads on the heim joints so turning the turn buckle to adjust isn’t possible.
Big G'day Stefan from Down Under 🇦🇺
Some great information that the home mechanic overlook.
May all your days be Harley days🖤🧡🖤
Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺
Greetings back down under.
thank u for the help. I ordered mine and started removing things!! I hope no left extra screws in the end. I even started recording on my 360 but i'm not as good as u. From Miami!! I got a 2022 special ride glide. Cheers
Good luck with the screws, do it with a friend, so you can blame him...
Fantastic video describing the procedure of removing the rear swing arm Stephan. I changed the drive belt on my 2018 Street Glide, and followed the Harley Davidson Maintenance manual procedure as written. It’s very confusing when it comes to removing the swing arm axle and bolts from each side, if trying to understand the manual. But after having done it once, and now, watching your video, for those that are going to tackle the job…Stephan’s video makes it abundantly clear as to how to remove the bolts and axle as opposed to how the manual is written. Bravo Stephan!
BTW..My rotations have me operating the South Pacific/Caribbean routes from Canada lately. Hopefully I’ll be crossing the Atlantic again in the near future. I’ll be maintaining my listening watch on 123.45…
Cheers
It's good to know, that someone is watching me! Always Happy Landings.
Love this guy ❤
Awesome tutorial guys. Needed this. Thank you from Texas.
Your welcome, only use it when you actually have wobble. It definitely introduces engine vibrations into the frame. It’s only worth it, when actually affected and not for just precautionary means
Huge lesson from this guy!!
This may have been addressed already but I’ve read elsewhere that this helps out tremendously. Only drawback is it also creates a rougher ride given the material is stiffer than stock. I don’t really care if it is or isn’t. I will still be replacing mine ASAP. Great video, just want some feedback on ride quality. Thanks.
It has been addressed earlier, precision improves but vibrations as well. Noticable on M8, tremendous on TC
Excellent
Good video Stefan. I believe the Rack and Pull industries Equalizer tool used in conjunction with the installation of an adjustable top front stabilizer (replacing the oem non adjustable) to be able to bring the drive train into alignment correct? The swing arm can't move up and down for adjustment as the swing arm pivot shaft runs through the rear transmission case. The adjustable front stabilizer is the key the same as it was on Twin Cams & FXR's.
Definitely correct, I have bought a couple of „missing links“, so far our bikes are not misaligned. So I’m going to keep them for the really bad ones.
@@stefansgarage3014 Their tool is very nice to have. The missing Link is also a good investment in my opinion. I'm still rocking and loving the Wilbers also. Stay safe.
You are correct. The only way to get rear swing arm in a correct vertical plan is to check swing arm vertical alignment with the equalizer tool to get a measurement of the left and right rear swing arm. Normally the left side is off due to that being the drive side. In order to properly align the rear swing arm vertical plane. You need to adjust the motor left to right alignment and that is done by replacing the none adjustable stabilizer link with an adjustable stabilizer link this allows you to move the whole drive train to the left or right then check the rear swing arm alignment when stabilizer tool shows in alignment then you can lock down the stabilizer link nuts. Just adding those bushings is not addressing the true issue.
Greetings from Scandinavia! My Road Glide is much improved since I followed your Wilbers recommendation. Sometimes it is necessary for me to ride at high speeds to cover longer motorway routes. I’ve had the wobble before and will book this next modification with you.
But first the fork seals and my special oil level...🤣
@@stefansgarage3014 I think a full Stefan review is required 😎👍
Great video !!!!
Great video, very informative; thank you.
Thank you for watching, there will definitely be a follow up in the future, as the solution is not just bushings. Some bikes wobble, others don't (like ours).
Awesome video Stefan, I was just rewatching the Matt Laidlaw road trip to Sturgis😅. Looks you guys really had good time.
Thank you very much. Sturgis with the Laidlaw Crew-definitely my greatest motorcycle experience ever👍
Great job!!
I never knew German guys were so cool! I could hang out with this guy, no problem.
😂, and the three of us are considered to be the uncool kind of guys here…😉
I was about to order the super cush and saw your video..great job guys! Keep it up!
Thank you! Cush drive is fine, however the bushings introduce some vibrations into the frame- ok on a M8, but annoying on a TC
@@stefansgarage3014 how bad is the vibration after installing this kit?
@@ashebarley77385 it varies from bike to bike. On this M8 it was immediately noticeable, being wobbly, I would accept it, but being stable, it’s annoying
Great Video Stefan Thanks
Super Video, der Stefan kann einfach alles.😜
Danke für die Lorbeeren, der kann vieles nicht, aber davon macht er keine Videos...
On my night train it was rear suspension, upgraded to progressive.
Great video! I should really do this on my '17 King, as I'm almost positive the rear swing arm is misaligned. Will give these a try, and clean my swing arm!
You can do a quick measurement with a measuring tape iso the equalizer and check the resistance of the swingarm bearing with wheel and shocks removed, before you go deep down the rabbit hole
Thank you Great Video as all ways.....👌🇦🇺👌
Thank you very much
There is an adjustable motor mount link that is on the top front of the engine. It can be adjusted to correct and mis alignment in the frame. The stock fixed length unit is avarage close enough for most bikes but to be exact. The adjustable is required. Great video
Unfortunately not anymore. In 2009 Harley seems to have replaced the adjustable front motor mount with a rigid one. But aftermarket (Rack and Pull) they are still offered.
On my 2016 Roadglide the lower mount bracket was still on the frame. No connector there but the mounting point was. I purchased a link that ran from the stock frame mount to the engine mount bolts and used it till I sold the bike last month.. There is also an after market adjustable mount for the replacement of the fixed HD mount link.. @@stefansgarage3014
Cleaned the part.
So few do. The mark of a Master in any endeavor.
Stefan , very good video , thanks ! Greetings from Amsterdam
Thank you very much.
The stars are always on the left looking at the flag.
I would enjoy seeing a german engineer go thru a harley motorcycle. To see how he would simplify the whole machine.
Cool! ❤
Clear video, Stefan. Best I've seen on yt in terms of explanation. However, a question about the rear shock absorbers. I have a new set of Hyperpro where the left one is 5mm longer than the right one (it is also in the description). Also, I have Progressive Suspenion 912 lying around where the same applies. So why is that? Greetz from holland
Honestly, I do Hyperpro only on fork springs for models, I don't get Wilbers (as well with good results). I have no idea why they would do symmetrical shocks with different length.
Great job , one part mostly neglected by tuners , never saw this addressed on Tube before for sure I'll do that to my roadglide . A 2019 with 134k miles bushings must be jelly by now. Thanks good video.
Wow 134K on a 2019! You probably want to rebuild the whole swingarm assembly, including new bearings and the black rubber mounts.
Excellent Video Sir.
Thank you
Heck ya 👋👋😁🏍️👍
Stefan, I surely enjoyed your videos and they are very informative and entertaining. I’ve purchased a new 24 FLTRX and I’m having the Wilbur’s Nivomat and also the Alloy Art Bushings and Cush damper installed from the beginning. I had a previous 24 FLTRX for a short time, for 1399 miles. But someone decided to run into my new bike and it’s totaled. So I’ve purchased a replacement.
Sorry to hear Robert, I hope you’ve found a good replacement.
@@stefansgarage3014 yes I did another 24 RG, just a different color. Not all black but White Onyx.
Greetings from California,USA! Great demonstration,very clear and easy to understand. But where did you acquire that measuring device? What is the manufacturer's name please.
rackandpull.com The Equalizer
Superclean bike.
I could do it, but that's a lot of work, but if I need these upgrades I'll pick a snowy day to do it. Glad to see I'm not the only person to keep the swing arm clean, front to back. Although, this CVO is a little tougher to get in and clean the front of the arm. Oh, and I think your new '23 CVO is the best, fast smooth, nice looking, well even smoother when I put the Wilber shocks on. And again, my wife wants to see more of your rides around your countryside.
Thank you for the in-depth comment. Trying to have a camera with me on the bike during spring.
Nice video/work. I've seen others change the top engine fixed stabilizer bar with an adjustable one that is used to pull the swing arm and frame into alignment based on the differences of the shock mounting holes.
Makes me wonder if the engine/frame/swing arm alignment issue is putting undue stress on the swing arm bushings and allowing them to become compromised? Chicken or the egg??
It's a combination of many factors, I have the adjustable engine mount and removed the bushings again. There are bike out being cured after bushings/engine mount, others are not. It's far more complicated than that. I just didn't have time for the follow up video...
Darn it Stefan, once i have seen that i cannot unsee it. And i just got the back wheel in after a tyre change and a clean up. I may as well order some now and pull the swinger.
Is yours wobbling? If not, I would wait for the next tire change.
No wobble 100% stable. BTW your Wilburs worked well through our Balkans 9000km trip last summer.
Excellent video .
Thank you very much
Well done even a guy who knows nothing about working on a bike understands what you are showing.
Thank you, that's the intention of my channel.
Kurzer Erfahrungsbericht:
Hab die Dinger nach 300km testen am Wochenende wieder ausgebaut😟.
Verbaut waren sie in einer Street Glide mit 103er TC mit Wilbers Fahrwerk. Alles ordnungsgemäß verbaut, Schwingenlager gereinigt, gefettet und mit dem notwendigen Drehmoment wieder zusammengebaut.
Nach dem Einbau wurden die motorseitigen Vibrationen so verstärkt, dass es bis 2000 Umdrehungen fast nicht möglich war den Tacho abzulesen. Extrem spürbar speziell beim Abtouren (Gaswegnehmen). Absolute Zumutung in Verbindung mit dem TC Motor und daher für mich keine Option.
Werde jetzt noch mal testen, ob ich nur mit dem korrekt eingestellten verstellbaren Stabi eine Vetbesserung spüre.
Danke für das Feedback. Unser TC-Freund hatte die gleichen Erfahrungen gemacht, das steht in keinem Verhältnis zu den Vorteilen, zumal in einem Geschwindigkeitsbereich, in dem er eh nicht fährt.
I just installed the cush rear swing arm bushings. I'm experiencing a lot more vibration up front I'm going to change the front motor mounts next
Is your Harley actual wobbling? Only if so, I would keep the bushings (and vibrations)
thank you!
Hallo Stefan,Ich habe in meiner 2018 Street Glide schon das Wilbers eingebaut,absolut genial,in Verbindung mit Metzeler Cruistec Reifen richtig geil.Nun habe ich,nach dem ich das Video gesehen habe,mir noch die Buchsen in USA bestellt,und eingebaut.Heute dann die ernüchternde Probefahrt.Meine 1440 Stroker Shovel schüttelt kaum weniger wie die Street Glide mit den Buchsen.Ich finde das eigentlich unfahrbar.Harley hat sich sicherlich auch was dabei gedacht,als sie die Geometrie,und das Material für die Silentelemente entwickelt haben.Kurzum,ich hab das Zeug wieder ausgebaut,und nichts schüttelt,so wie es sich für so einen Reisekoffer gehört.
Servus „Mercury“ danke für das Feedback, bei unseren zwei 131er CVOs sind die Motorvibrationen deutlich wahrnehmbar, aber nicht unangenehm. Die 103erTC und die 121VVT konnten wir noch nicht fahren. Wilbers hat auch schon ein paar umgebaut, ohne Beanstandung. Momentan hab ich keine Idee, was bei deiner fehlen könnte.
👍 cool
Good job and thanks for the info. German wife approved too!
😂👍🏻
good video, i have an 08 UC with a stage 3 kit and go 200 kph alot and never had this problem, only issue is with wind on fairing on a windy day that causes a little instability. That 131 is to much motor for laced wheels would have got cast, should have checked to see if all tight when you had it out. Cheers from toronto
Maybe a misunderstanding, it's preventive upgrade. The 2021 CVO with 131 was solid as a rock, we just wanted to get experience on the reinforcement bushings and have an ultralight moving swing arm
It took me a while to figure out what “Stupe” means….then I realized he was saying “Stupid” 😂
I was like….What’s a Stupe German?
Stefan, can you please inform us of the alignment tool make/model and where you purchased it? Danke
It's from rackandpull.com called the Equalizer
Danke
So i know the title says no more death wobble but how much more firm was the rear end? I was told it transfers the vibration back through the frame.
It does, browse through the comments, I gave my experience about the vibrations. From noticeable to unbearable, depending on model and engine. But unfortunately no specifics
Great job Stefan,like your channel by the way the flag was right when you go to war you run towards the battlefield which means the flag would be blowing in the wind as you run.Great channel
Hi Robert, thanks for the support. I had that in mind and as we are not riding backwards with our Harleys, I had to correct it😉
Great Video and thanks for sharing. What tool is that red alignment one you use? Brand? Thanks again.
rackandpull.com the equalizer
Stefan is funny.
Belt tension should be adjusted every time rear wheel is removed. Don’t rely on marking axle. What if it was a little off when you started ?
Hi Bob, good Input. Of course we checked it, should have put it in the video, but is was getting longer and longer…
Hi Stefan
I was wondering what your final thoughts were on the bushings and cush drive. Is there another video review on these?
Not yet, as the weather is still to bad to get a lot of miles. There is a significant introduction of engine vibrations by the reinforcement bushings. Therefore on the TC, we removed them. On the M8 it’s noticeable but ok, so here they will stay. I want to emphasize that both bikes were stable and we want to get experience with the bushings. Unstable bikes were cured, with the bushings and an adjustable upper engine mount, as some comments show.
Stefan looking forward to your thoughts later down the road on this product…have read of more vibration after installing these bushings..your opinion will be greatly appreciated
So far I made a short ride with RHCP on brandnew tires with the Gooden-Tite.
It felt very good, no vibration. Of course on Wilbers, maybe stock suspension has a negative effect. I will put them on Singlemalt as well, when she’s back from Wilbers
Thank you Stefan appreciate the reply
Great video Stefan, now I feel guilty to ride with a neglected dirty swing arm! Looking forward to ride with you in Vancouver in 2024
I will check the cleanliness of the CVO swing arm before😉. Definitely looking forward to riding with the Vancouver crew again.
I can visualize Stefan in the cockpit of his own ME109 that he maintains himself.
😂Let's make it a Me262, I am more a jet fighter kind of guy...
Stefan; I have a 2002 CVO Road king, 95 cu.in. would this be the same procedure on mine? I have always replaced my own tires, both front and rear. my lift has a drop out to lower the rear wheel. thank you nice video.
Honestly, I wouldn’t do it. The Twin Cam introduces too many vibrations in the frame
I saw an American video and they said that all Harley's that they've seen have this problem, but cure it with a front engine mount that is adjustable to give you perfect alignment, not 0.5mm out. Is this correct as I'm led to believe that the swingarm bolt goes through the transmission case ?
Adjustable front engine mount does help, some Harleys have an aligned swingarm, others don't. You are right, the swing arm axle goes through the transmission case, therefor tilting the engine affects the swingarm alignment.
Stephan the full time mechanic 😂
You as well spend more time riding/wrenching than in the cockpit...😂
thanks Stefan…any idea if they are going to make a similar style bushing for the Harley bagger front engine mounts ?
For the front top engine mount there is an adjustable solution, called missing link by rackandpull.com
Hi Stefan, enjoyed this video. What did you do to make the swing arm move freely? And I also keep mine clean!
About 20 minutes cleaning and relubing. Packed this thing in grease to hopefully keep out the moisture. The easy movement was solely because of that.
@@stefansgarage3014 what kind of grease is that
@@ashebarley77385 just regular bearing grease
Ladies and Gentlemen, watch in wonder as Stefan shows you the Ninth (or maybe Tenth) Wonder of the World, the Underside of a Harley Swingarm. 🤣🤣🤣
Seriously, great info and you remind me of what I miss most of Deutschland, the people.
Ride safe, Amigo.
The people here miss you too. Let’s get those swingarms clean😉
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Great video as always, do you have a link or something for the products? Would like to get those for my road glide thanks
thanks a lot. Check alloyart.com for further
Bringen die Buchsen auch was, bei Originalen Dämpfern hinten?
Vorne habe ich bereits die Wilbers Gabelfedern und deren Öl verbaut.
Lg
Kann ich nichts zu sagen, das Wackeln verschiebt sich mit unterschiedlichen Fahrwerken eher in andere Bereiche, ist aber nicht die Ursache.
G'day. Please provide the part number for the tool that you used to check the swing arm.
The Equalizer
rackandpull.com
What was the orange floor jack that you used to support the bike?
It belongs to Mark, no special brand as far as I know
Super Video, wo bekomme ich das Messwerkzeug bzw. Wie heißt es
The Equalizer von rackandpull.com , schicken glaube ich nicht nach Europa. Nur Not geht auch ein Zollstock, bzw Wilbers hat auch so ein ähnliches Werkzeug gebaut.
@@stefansgarage3014 danke für die schnelle Antwort
Hi,
How much did the vibration levels increase after fitting this kit?
I ask because I fitted the same kit to my RG24 as per the instructions and the comments and tips in this video. The OE istaltors are in the right place. Bushings o ALLOY ART are positioned correctly. The vibration level is significant - especially when letting off the gas. The vibration is strongest in the 2500-3500 rpm range. Even the handlebar shake a lot.
On ours it was much less than you describe. Nevertheless we removed them again. All bikes were stable in the first place, so getting vibrations for nothing didn’t make sense. I know 5 different M8s, that were unstable, being straight now. For that I would accept the vibrations.
Wouldn't a rear frame stabiliser solve this problem without increasing vibration?
@@WhiteRG24 No as the swing arm axle is rear engine mount as well, everything that increases stability on the swing arm introduces vibrations into the frame. Wilbers did some research, with those stabilizers as well.
Thank you very much! I just saved 250 Euros thanks to you 😉 .
Congrats Stefan for your sensational TH-cam Episode now going viral 😎👍
You earned it - please continue to post helpful HD content!
I'm sad that you do not change bushings as a service, because I would like to enjoy Apfelstrudel watching you replacing these parts like when you optimzed my bike's suspnsion😄
One question: In standstill or while driving, is there a clear indication that the bushings should be replaced?
Greetings from Patrick 🙋♂
You would gain a lot of weight while watching me…
If your bike isn’t wobbly, don’t change anything. I would check the easy movement of the swing arm during a rear tire change. If the movement is stiff, the swing arm needs to be removed to clean/change the bearings. That’s the proper moment to change the bushings. If you have wobble, change them right away
Hey Stefan, can I also ask you what you think about replacing front motor stabilizer with the adjustable one as well as adding a rear motor stabilizer of Alloy Art? Is the green bushings replacement good enough or we should also think of the front and the rear motor stabilizers? Thank you in advance. Your fan who watched all your US adventures with Matt, MDB and Cycle Fanatix.
Hi Kadim, thanks for your support and for taking part in the „adventures“.
I have ordered some missing link adjustable front motor mounts for our bikes. However all swingarms were aligned precisely-the bikes were all stable before. Honestly I’m not a good(hard) enough rider to get my Harley to the limits, partly because of proper maintenance, good tires, good suspension. RHCP is stable above 120 mph during turns on the Autobahn. I will continue the research with other bikes, for the moment I have no answer for your question. Ride safe and continue watching
@@stefansgarage3014 thank you my friend, you are a Legend... Oppss, my bad, I was gonna say Wilbers 😁
@@kadimsilahtar 😂👍🏻