One interesting note on the Mongols: In the Official Civ Rev Strategy Guide (Bradygames) their Ancient perk is described as "Barbarians convert to Settlers". Wow - Had that been left in place they would be clearly the #1 Civ.
Wow I have to agree on huts becoming settlers. That would seriously put them in contention for being the best Civ in the game (there are a lot of variables mind), but what a start. The ability to snowball early would be tantalising.
This is funny because when I played Civ Rev I always picked Mongols because I thought that bonus of turning barb camps into free cities was broken lmao. I remember the only time I played the game in multiplayer I played with my friends and they just quit because I had like 7 cities on turn 20 lol
@@civrev Nah if you build a couple of warriors (basically just enough to get at least the closest 3-4 Barb's or villages and get the 100 gold settler) and then do a mad dash for code of laws. Let's you build at least a couple more cities than you would otherwise.
50% gold production is massive if you flip all cities to focus on gold when making a dash for the 20k late game, getting the bonus as late as possible is crucial though because of the rush price inflation :L
The one thing about the Mongols is, if you can pull off the "walk-In" trick and steal one of the other four civ's early, you have a chance to convert a lot (like 7-8) of barbarian villages (because you can get to the villages that the conquered civ did not beat yet) and before you know it, you'll have a ton of science squares, making a tech victory pretty easy and even the other types of victories are do-able.
True, the trick is building up those cities. It can be difficult and take a while. Most of the times those cities aren't in the best place (resource wize). It's especially hard if you're 1 population converted city gets flipped because of an enemies cultural influence, or just taken over because of how thin you could be spread. Still, if you got to convert a city AND get the gold/tech/unit bonus, then they'd be a great civ.
@@frozenironforge5133 yeah I forgot to mention that getting to Irrigation first is kind of crucial, to get the population bonus. If you can do that then a Mongol game can be a lot of fun
14 is shocking. I love the French. Had this game for years and for some reason I still have never played with the Russians, Arabs, Chinese, and Indians kind of. When I first purchased the game I picked Indians and lost repeatedly. But I was just building my cities in horrible locations is what the problem was.
I got the game a few months ago after getting heavily into the Napoleonic Wars, so I started with & still often play as the French. They are definitely higher for mine than bottom three. Pretty solid bonuses & a head start on a free wall 👍🏼
If you're going for the late-game domination victory or even a technological victory the Mongols are amazing.. +2 production from mountains and instant communism coupled with Magna Carta and courthouses for culture is an amazing combination.
Cheers for the informative and insightful guide! Made me reevaluate my game plans with a handful of the Civs. Your content has really helped me improve my gameplay. Thanks!
I play almost exclusively mongols in single player. Manager to get a single science victory on deity by genuinely cheesing the shit out of the game. Managed to set up a genuinely amazing early game production city by capturing a barbarian villager. I was probably helped by the fact that I got an early walk in off Egypt who had the colossus, discovering two artifacts (one of them was definitely the knight’s Templar, I don’t remember the other), and I managed to stalemate the English and Arabs long into the late game. However, I’ve played around 80 deity games with mongols. I have won a single game. The mongols are fun to snowball with, but hard to win with.
Late reply but it helps to learn how to game the AI. If you declare war they'll put all their resources into building armies, then you can negotiate piece when they waste all their time marching over to your palace. Also make sure you take all their settlers and kidnap their great people, build spy rings since China will definitely have spies, make sure you're the first to most techs too.
The Mongols barbarian huts turning into cities works great on the Mountains of Madness map. I had cities on the sides of cliff, and while they took a bit to gain population, they gained a huge amount of trade and were easy to defend. Plus, enemy troops couldn't block your resources as easily.
I swear the Egyptians used to have a chance to start off with the great library when I played this as a kid. I guess it is cheap to start off with that.
It's a pretty good list, but as the former #2 player in the world for years in online multiplayer, I'm going to make some corrections. 1. Spanish, 2. Americans, 3. Chinese. When I use any of these civs, I can't lose the game, period. Why Spanish? Navigation + double explore cash give them such unbelievable early bonuses, it's too late for anyone to catch up with them. 1. Double explore cash can net them the earliest free settler in the game, so two cities very quickly. 2. Navigation = early galleon + explorer (even more explore cash), 3. Early access to all the minor wonders, including Atlantis (200+ gold, two great people, an ancient wonder, a knight, 3 techs), 4. Early access to the best 1-square islands with dye, whale, and fish... these islands are safe and are just gold/science machines. 5. Whale... jeez this is ridiculously good... fast growth = extra gold/science squares, or extra production, or extra settlers for city spamming... it is unbelievable. 6. Surprise walk-ins from the sea... they usually get 1 of these per game, at least. 7. Naval support in combat, it is a huge early bonus. 8. They are always just 1 stolen/earned/found great builder from insta-building the East India Company, which is an immediate game-ender. Name me a civ stronger than this. I'm currently playing Arabs only, and am the highest-ranked Arabs player... they are much tougher than you say. Some civs, like Egypt, are highly dependent on which other civs are in the game... Romans in the game will ruin Egypt's ability to get the free trading post, which when coupled with Colossus, makes Egypt very difficult to beat. Chinese, with free Writing, can easily beat Egypt to the free trading post as well. English in the game ruins the strategy of getting to Monarchy first for the free great person for all other civs. English in the game also make for the primary target for Spanish to take their capital with either sneak walk-in or using naval support and get free Monarchy tech to allow for use of the dye on all those little 1-square islands.
You start with ability to build galleon, you do not get it from start. I agree, it's a strong bonus but not the best. Romans code of laws is probably best or Japanese free harbor in every city. Chinese and Greek also are stronger starting bonuses imo
Greeks are top 5 I feel. Tech wins games. Democracy + half cost libraries + 1 food from the sea = tech domination. Pikeman mean great early defence. By the time the AI is ready to take them out its already game over. Only the Americans, Spanish, Chinese and Japanese can try to keep up on tech terms. Greeks are legends.
I personally like the 2% gold interest more than the 50% because I don’t go for economic victories as much as tech, but for an economic victory I think the 50% is actually better, because yes early game it bites due to inflation, but late game you’re going to reach that 20,000 gold milestone quicker than anyone else to be able to win the game with world bank. So it’s situationally good in my eyes, but yeah, I do think 2% interest is universally better, even though early game 2% gets you nowhere until you have at least 50 gold for 1 free gold a turn.
Agreed what you said on all fronts. One thing I'd add, is that be careful having too much tech overflow with 50% gold civs. You don't get the 50% bonus on gold from tech overflow but stuff is still 50% more expensive to rush. From that perspective it would actually be a "negative" bonus
here are some top 10 lists for you to do in videos in the future 1. the top three Civilizations for each type of victory 2. the top 10 best Technologies to research
Rome at #8 really surprises me. I can’t say what you said was wrong or anything, but for mine they are top 3-5 if leveraged properly. Half-priced roads & wonders, + more great people? Yes, please!
Or to rush more defenders to the rescue of a city. Or to move attackers into position to invade the enemy nearby. Or to safely move around valuable people.
Zulu is the most effective option. The two step move at the start is possible the most significant advantage of all the game. 50% gold is huge particularly when you have city with Colossus, Trade Fair, Bank and even the Internet. The Chinese main advantage is equalled with one single special person
First civ I won with on diety was the Romans. That early republic is crazy good. My heart breaks for the Mongols, their barb conversion ability is so fun but it's so tough to play with on higher difficulties.
You should change the name of the video to "Rating the Greco-Roman civilizations too low". They are both top 5. Seriously though, I know I'm necroing this vid, but you produce the best CivRev content that I've found!
Mongols are the most underrated civilization on the game. If they capture a city and settle a scientist, then it's equivalent to the Colossus wonder. I used to think the mongols were the worst until I noticed I was winning with tech victories by 1000AD.
At the start I try to find the closest civilization and take them out before they get archers. After that I focus mainly on defense, research, great people and just do me until i get tanks. Once I get tanks I mass produce tank armies and just steamroll as much cities as possible and whatever I don't take I get by basically converting them into my civ...Don't know if thats effective but for some reason it kinda works for me.
Just stumbled on this post. Have been a Civ die hard for a long time but Weirdly, Civ Rev is My crack. Curremtly my son and i are on 100% wins, every culture, every level, every way quest.
When I started playing Mongols, I was under the impression barbarians would convert to settlers. I was so disappointed when I found out you got the random city with no reward :(
The thing about the Anarchy bonus with the Indians is that it's great for using code of laws swaps without consequence. Well, apart from how easy it is to crash the damn game on multiplayer doing it. If the military adviser tells you about a domination victory during anarchy then the game dies.
@@civrev Yeah, there's a lot of things that the metagamers exploit. But that bug is a killer for the Indians, without it they could basically use the benefits of monarchy and democracy and then swap to either fundamentalism or code of laws on specific turns to maximise their edge. I truly believe that the most broken exploit is called Barb Glitching, it's when you pause during an online barbarian fight and let it end. This resets your turn, it's almost unbeatable with a war edge, especially the Aztecs who would basically overrun any barbarian turn one whilst researching horseback riding. Luckily, you only see someone use it very rarely online.
I like food buffs because in the long run they expand your trade exponentially. I build a robust capital and take the rest via cultural victory. I’d switch Greece and England on the list personally
You neglected to mention the fact that when did Egyptians have Rivers running through their desert and they pop irrigation whether for free or they actually researched it, they get an extra food for each desert tile that the river touches. That's potentially, with a Trading Post, 4 research and two food per desert tile. Also, if you actually research irrigation and not just pop it as a bonus, you do get the plus-one population bonus. Also, plus one Rifleman movement is a solid bonus. I can't tell you how many times I've used my rifle men to attack with Cruiser Fleet and as soon as they take my opponents City, they already have arrived from an Army in it which is very hard to take back unless its flipped. Also, you really sold short the Hanging Gardens Wonder. All You focus long was trees and science squares, but really what you should have been taking into consideration is that the Egyptians have that plus one food / desert Isle. If you were to settle with three or four desert tiles and only one tree tile you can set your production to one tree and to Desert, still pull in food and continue to grow, and set your science to gold. And it's the same as having two tree tiles. I play the Egyptians, so I tripped to hear his commentary on them, but I will say that one of the best Civ players I know rocks the Mongols. I get up to about 20 Technologies before he's past 5 but all of a sudden he makes a jump and he's pulling more Tech than me within about five turns. It's insane. You also sold short the Indians and the French both of which I have seen Mastered by a few other players. Ultimately, what's it really comes down to is knowledge and luck. Luck on what resources are available to you and knowledge of how to play the game with the hand that you're dealt and who you're going against. I rate his critique a. 5/10. He obviously knows quite a few things about Civ, but he also has wide gaps in his knowledge and his opinion comes off as being fact. Its not, and he has much to learn. I've been playing Civ Rev for around 5 years now and I'm still learning new things. Xbox360 gamertag: funkyfingers504
i play germany pretty much constantly, and if you can get at least a 5/10-block difference between another player city, you can play wide and grow tall mid to late game. i tend to start off slow and dominate with tanks mid game, because growing wide allows for a more science-based build early on
Correct. They are not there for early domination. They are the early, mid and late game tech giants. Get a decent build city tech like mad domination well before 2,000. Science or culture victory even earlier. You can't just dismiss them because they can't do one specific thing in the early game. They are a well balance civ that is always in the game.
@@Maniak76 my problem with Greek is more to do with democracy vs code of laws and when to expand with them. If you stay in democracy they cant expand. But getting code of laws and expanding too early makes them more of a generic civ that may not use it's starting bonus to the fullest. I would error on the side of beelining for COL and expanding then switching back to democracy later (maybe). But like compared with China who also has 1/2 price libraries and China has so many great other bonus, All things equal China will blow away the Greek unless a high amount of luck is involved. Of course just beating diety AI if that is what we are talking about you can do with any civ it's not hard, but when trying to play games with constraints or just trying to get your victory as fast as possible, Greeks are ok but can't compare with Chinese or American for sure. Personally I feel like Joe's rankings from 13-7 could all be intertwined. 6-3 you could argue placement.. and 1 and 2 are definitely 1 and 2. Joe knows this game very, very well better than 99% of the people commenting on the vids (including myself)
This video is brought to you by Gatorade. Because water sucks, Gatorade is better. Also, it's because of people like you that I don't dare to try play online. I'd rather play with a cheating computer than people who know math.
I think to fix the Monguls if when they attack the barbarians the result is a settler, even if it remains a 1 population city. The fact you could move it into a better spot alone would make the better.
Strongly disagree about Russia. I just easily won on Deity a Domination victory but I could've also done either cultural or scientific or economic I just wanted to get domination. The 1/2 cost rifleman coupled with Loyalty is actually meta, it makes turning yourself into a mega fortress extremely cheap and easy. Rifleman is the best defensive unit for like 65% of a game's duration. Loyalty Riflemen are excellent vs Canons, Fighters, Tanks, name it, they only become weak when your enemy gets Artillery, and even at that they can be tough to beat. I'm telling you, 1/2 cost Loyal Riflemen is totally OP.
I played the Chinese on the scenario where you start w 1,000 gold on Deity and won a Dom victory by 1200 BC. I bought technologies and then sent in a spy and got 1,100 back.
The even worst thing about being Mongolia is that the barbarian village drops the city in the same spot that the village was. So you don’t even get to keep the valuable resource that’s usually there and the placement usually sucks. In my opinion they could’ve fixed this by making barbarian villagers give you settlers every time
IMO the French are significantly better than bottom three (though I would not put them in the elite category of course). The starting Cathedral & +1 Cannon attack put them in good stead for Cultural or Domination victories, & starting knowledge of Pottery I love - walls are highly valuable & expensive to build - I demand a free one & Frwnce is better poised for this than any other Civ. Throw in half-price roads & they are a definite mid-table Civ for my money. They also have the greatest General in history at their helm (Come at me Alexander fanboys) 😛
Not trying to argue with your list because I know you understand the systematic paths to victory way better than I do, but I feel like you really slept on a few great civs (mostly Greeks). Overall great ranking, I agree with most of your choices. My personal favorite civs to use, even if they aren't actually the best are: 1. Greeks 2. Egyptians 3. Romans 4. Zulu 5. Americans 6. Spanish 7. Germans 8. Japanese
Idk man the japanese end up getting huge boosts to thier economy ive seen citys with like 31 population if you flip that to gold its pretty broken especially with the right wonders
Really good list, I agree about Americans too, they probably are the strongest, but you need to more knowledge to use them effectively more so than China, Aztec and Zulu, who any idiot can use effectively. Also with the Americans in medieval, they can build a galley for 30 gold, and sell it back for 30. This means they can buy one, move the ranger off, and sell it straight away, basically giving them free ranger units, which are useful for defence etc.
It is. When Ps3 servers run out for Civ Rev, 5 on 10 best ranked was China. 2 was mine. They can play as Romans, expandind since the beging. Huge number of cities combined whit literacy and irrigation its so op. Also fast access to catapults, cos writen. You Leonard are a really great player and the best youtuber for Civ Rev by far. Thanks for your dedication.
This is a great game. Can't believe they didn't do a sequl. Shame. It's so much down to personal preference. Top civs in my opinion are the Americans. Totally broken. Do anything any situation. Power House civ. Then the Chinese with 1 plus pop. Also broken but not even close to the Americans. Then I feel any from the rest. Japanese, Greeks, Spanish and perhaps Romans. The rest are situational but the ones mentioned are very adaptable. Great effort. Enjoyed the video.
People play differently my fav is America but I'm also strong with Japanese Germans Romans and Zulu also factories triple production is my favorite perk in the game
Minor correction on the Germans - veteran units are NOT "elites". "Elites" are strictly units that have earned the bonuses (Infiltration, Blitz, Medic, etc.). If they don't earn one of those, the veteran warriors DON'T get upgraded.
If you settle a great whatever in your city post barracks they will get a free elite perk newer folk may not realize this so I'll add it here however late
Question: *If you could fix the mongols in this game, how would you do it?* Secondly. If you could tweek the barbarian perk, how would you do so? Thanks for answering.
Joe Leonard: It would make them unique indeed. I wish Firaxis Games would update this game. I'd be happy with a new Civilization Revolution game for modern consoles. Anyways thanks for answering. It seems you reply to mostly everyone and that shows you care about your fan-base. Thank you. Have a nice day!
The great leader start is great too bec you they're great to use at the time but if you hold onto them and build a city to their strengths then it'll be more power.
I loved this game... The only thing I hate actually is the length time... I always wanted the length of the time is more longer... But it just so short...
@@darthbigred22 it just my opinion, i actually never play any civ games other than revolution... im still a beginners and i don't know what is alpha centauri is.. Can u plz explain it to me? Is it a planet? Or something? Also if it is a planet, i want to know why the game never actually make a Civilization in this alpha centauri planet to make the game much more longer...
Love the Zulu. I create one warrior take out barbarians then create warrior armies and tge free settler from 100 gold. On diety I can usually get enough gold to rush a library and create 3 warrior armies. They allow me to steal settlers and if lucky and early enough take a capital early in the game. I can have 5 cities by 0 ad from stolen settlers
Man I miss this game... Btw you seriously underrated Russia. Local map does kind of suck but the plains bonus allows super cities that have high production, high gold/tech and if you're utilizing it correctly high culture.
I agree with this list, it's pretty accurate though maybe I would have switched Russia with the Mongolians because some barbarian cities are in good spots and you really have to pick and choose which ones you want to conquer but Russians basically have nothing useful besides loyalty for defense.
I don’t even rate that Loyalty bonus. It’s not retroactive & arrives late in the game at a time when your armies are mostly already built. The Russians should not be an elite Civ but they deserved better than what they were given.
@@civrev thank you for the reply! My friend who passed used to play this game, i would laydown beside him and watch him for hours. I miss those times. You are without a doubt the most knowledgeable person I've seen on this game, and it's always fun watching a master work his craft!
This list was great for me since I play heavily in SP. But I wish you can also make the same list but for ranking civs in MP. Or maybe some advice for new people like me who want to play MP?
I actually think +food from plains is pretty good early game along with the Democracy bonuses of the greek, my go to strategy is grow the city as fast as i can with one warrior defending and one exploring, if i have the gold ill buy another warrior or galley for the wonders otherwise start going for advanced tech early game
Played thousands of games of this, and I can't make a strong argument against any of these rankings. The one exception maybe is that Mongolia can be similar to Egypt, in that the right unicorn map can make them over powered, if all the barbarian villages were on viable city locations.
Haha I agree with you joe about number 14 for sure, they are not dead last cause that early culture can be used as a advantage. But number 1 is a tough call Chinese would give America a run for their money if you ask me... Ima still say Chinese number 1 lol but great ranking man
50% gold, here are my thoughts. The fact that it causes 50% inflation on the surface makes it a "non" bonus for me (it doesn't help or hurt). However, 2 things to consider (one pro, one con). Pro: It can help you hit economic achievements faster if going for gold victory (or just want to hit a certain milestone) Con: It can actually be a "negative" bonus if you have too much science overflow. Because you aren't getting the 50% on the "overflow", but stuff still costs 50% more. So too much overflow can actually make this something of a "negative" bonus. So really, unless you are going for a gold victory, it is probably actually a slight "negative" bonus - or at the very least you should be micromanaging your cities so that you have as little science overflow as possible.
Zulu should be No 1 on single player. Their first 3 perks are perfect, if you need the 4th (half cost riflemen) then you've gone wrong somewhere. I've beaten the computer on Deity with every Civ more than once and nobody comes close to the records I have with Zulu. Domination victory 2700bc, Economic victory 750ad and Tech victory 700ad. I've also had a max city (31) in 600bc accredited to their rapid city growth. Definitely top of the tree for me.
@@civrev Really? A tech victory on single player Deity in 400bc? Thats insane. I'm a natural cynic so I wouldn't be staying true to myself if I didn't ask how!!? I get the rushing settler thing but there would have to be so many more factors for that to be possible.
@@whatsthatnow308 he has it on video I've watched it before. Technically the ship can't arrive that early because it won't let you launch it, but that is what it would have been if the game let him launch that early. Need to spam probably 50 cities he had idk exactly how many. Because of how cheap it is to rush units, coupled with being able to settle a settler the same turn you build it (by unit stack) he was settling like 2-4 settlers every single turn
@@whatsthatnow308 another big tip is to try and get large technologies from happy villages. If you’re lucky you can even get space flight from a happy village…
artillery and bombers only! Domination victory. That means you have to wait until you have researched the appropriate Technologies before you could build any units
I’m at 4:30 recently started playing civilization again again I noticed I really like strategy games (even if I have to play them on my old consoles.) anyway I read the little encyclopedia they have available and Catherine was a pretty interesting woman; I agree the perks suck, but it’s fun if your trying to go for a more serious play through.
They are definitely not good (to say the least), but I won with them recently on my hardest setting yet & that was satisfying. It’s definitely a good Civ if you’re up for a challenge.
I've been playing this game on and off since like 2009. It's been there for me through some really tough times
Trippy lights gettin personal in the comment ahhh shiii
Same here, bro, same here… been playing this game for a whole minute now… very replayable
Same
I still play the game all the time
So true, it's really comforting to have. You get really sucked into that whole world and it feels like a safe place which is ironic.
1 Americans 58:28
2 China 55:34
3 Zula 51:58
4 Aztecs 49:37
5 Spanish 45:56
6 Arabs 40:30
7 English 34:54
8 Romans 30:51
9 Egyptians 25:10
10 Germans 21:32
11 Japanese 17:17
12 Indians 12:07
13 Greek 8:42
14 French 5:23
15 Russians 3:09
16 Mongols 0:12
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Thanks for the spoiler, asshole.
You should have started with 16! Massive spoilers
Don't look at the comments before or during watching then.
@@kimjongun1348 Thanks Kim Jong Un
Whoa you were the first to research Ceremonial Burial! Good job but now your gonna lose because there are horseman outside your city.
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One interesting note on the Mongols: In the Official Civ Rev Strategy Guide (Bradygames) their Ancient perk is described as "Barbarians convert to Settlers". Wow - Had that been left in place they would be clearly the #1 Civ.
The spanish translation also has that description.
@@civrev 2 pop would be better. Or 1 pop but you still get the hut bonus, the mongols should be an early game powerhouse
Wow I have to agree on huts becoming settlers. That would seriously put them in contention for being the best Civ in the game (there are a lot of variables mind), but what a start. The ability to snowball early would be tantalising.
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This is funny because when I played Civ Rev I always picked Mongols because I thought that bonus of turning barb camps into free cities was broken lmao. I remember the only time I played the game in multiplayer I played with my friends and they just quit because I had like 7 cities on turn 20 lol
disagree japanese has got to be top 5. The early food on sea is crazy. Makes it so easy to build random cities.
prozb4hoz8 yeah, Japanese were my first civ, and I won easily on king mode.
@@civrev Nah if you build a couple of warriors (basically just enough to get at least the closest 3-4 Barb's or villages and get the 100 gold settler) and then do a mad dash for code of laws. Let's you build at least a couple more cities than you would otherwise.
Absolutely. Japanese get a free harbor in every city they build. That saves 100 production every city, you are correct Japanese are top 5 civ
@@Phoenix-oy3pn only king? I’m always Aztec and I’m winning 70% of my deity matches and 95% of my emperor ones
@@billy-jacklazyboi2941 I'm not amazing at the game, and fairly new, as of then, but I'd say that's good for starts
50% gold production is massive if you flip all cities to focus on gold when making a dash for the 20k late game, getting the bonus as late as possible is crucial though because of the rush price inflation :L
Love this game, onley 360 game I return to again and again, have terrible game, rage quit, and before you know it right back to playing again lol
Its backwards compatible for xbox one now
same i love it when im winnning but when i lose i get so pissed quit and play days later.
Word man I'm the complete same. My poor wife hates hearing me scream at the tv in Spanish while playing as Germans
Losing a battle with an entire army unit to a single unit
The one thing about the Mongols is, if you can pull off the "walk-In" trick and steal one of the other four civ's early, you have a chance to convert a lot (like 7-8) of barbarian villages (because you can get to the villages that the conquered civ did not beat yet) and before you know it, you'll have a ton of science squares, making a tech victory pretty easy and even the other types of victories are do-able.
True, the trick is building up those cities. It can be difficult and take a while. Most of the times those cities aren't in the best place (resource wize). It's especially hard if you're 1 population converted city gets flipped because of an enemies cultural influence, or just taken over because of how thin you could be spread. Still, if you got to convert a city AND get the gold/tech/unit bonus, then they'd be a great civ.
@@frozenironforge5133 yeah I forgot to mention that getting to Irrigation first is kind of crucial, to get the population bonus. If you can do that then a Mongol game can be a lot of fun
14 is shocking. I love the French.
Had this game for years and for some reason I still have never played with the Russians, Arabs, Chinese, and Indians kind of. When I first purchased the game I picked Indians and lost repeatedly. But I was just building my cities in horrible locations is what the problem was.
I got the game a few months ago after getting heavily into the Napoleonic Wars, so I started with & still often play as the French. They are definitely higher for mine than bottom three. Pretty solid bonuses & a head start on a free wall 👍🏼
Hard to argue with but the Mongols ancient bonus is hilarious and a uniquely fun way to play the game so I prefer it to most
Yea, I play emperor, and Mongols is just so fun and chaotic
Its awesome cause you’ll have 15 shit cities and then 3 powerhouses
If you're going for the late-game domination victory or even a technological victory the Mongols are amazing.. +2 production from mountains and instant communism coupled with Magna Carta and courthouses for culture is an amazing combination.
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Cheers for the informative and insightful guide! Made me reevaluate my game plans with a handful of the Civs. Your content has really helped me improve my gameplay. Thanks!
I play almost exclusively mongols in single player. Manager to get a single science victory on deity by genuinely cheesing the shit out of the game. Managed to set up a genuinely amazing early game production city by capturing a barbarian villager. I was probably helped by the fact that I got an early walk in off Egypt who had the colossus, discovering two artifacts (one of them was definitely the knight’s Templar, I don’t remember the other), and I managed to stalemate the English and Arabs long into the late game. However, I’ve played around 80 deity games with mongols. I have won a single game. The mongols are fun to snowball with, but hard to win with.
1 Americans 58:28
2 China 55:34
3 Zulu 51:58
4 Aztecs 49:37
5 Spanish 45:56
6 Arabs 40:30
7 English 34:54
8 Romans 30:51
9 Egyptians 25:10
10 Germans 21:32
11 Japanese 17:17
12 Indians 12:07
13 Greek 8:42
14 French 5:23
15 Russians 3:09
16 Mongols 0:12
"By the time they get there it's their great great grandkids
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When I play on Deity, if China is in the game, they almost always best me via tech victory
Yeah but if you played as the greeks and take advantage of the court house their tech boost is useless
I would either invade them early in the game or play with the greeks
Late reply but it helps to learn how to game the AI. If you declare war they'll put all their resources into building armies, then you can negotiate piece when they waste all their time marching over to your palace.
Also make sure you take all their settlers and kidnap their great people, build spy rings since China will definitely have spies, make sure you're the first to most techs too.
The Mongols barbarian huts turning into cities works great on the Mountains of Madness map. I had cities on the sides of cliff, and while they took a bit to gain population, they gained a huge amount of trade and were easy to defend. Plus, enemy troops couldn't block your resources as easily.
54:38 And Modern, Half cost rifleman, Joe says unimpressed, "okay."
I swear the Egyptians used to have a chance to start off with the great library when I played this as a kid. I guess it is cheap to start off with that.
It's a pretty good list, but as the former #2 player in the world for years in online multiplayer, I'm going to make some corrections. 1. Spanish, 2. Americans, 3. Chinese. When I use any of these civs, I can't lose the game, period. Why Spanish? Navigation + double explore cash give them such unbelievable early bonuses, it's too late for anyone to catch up with them. 1. Double explore cash can net them the earliest free settler in the game, so two cities very quickly. 2. Navigation = early galleon + explorer (even more explore cash), 3. Early access to all the minor wonders, including Atlantis (200+ gold, two great people, an ancient wonder, a knight, 3 techs), 4. Early access to the best 1-square islands with dye, whale, and fish... these islands are safe and are just gold/science machines. 5. Whale... jeez this is ridiculously good... fast growth = extra gold/science squares, or extra production, or extra settlers for city spamming... it is unbelievable. 6. Surprise walk-ins from the sea... they usually get 1 of these per game, at least. 7. Naval support in combat, it is a huge early bonus. 8. They are always just 1 stolen/earned/found great builder from insta-building the East India Company, which is an immediate game-ender. Name me a civ stronger than this. I'm currently playing Arabs only, and am the highest-ranked Arabs player... they are much tougher than you say. Some civs, like Egypt, are highly dependent on which other civs are in the game... Romans in the game will ruin Egypt's ability to get the free trading post, which when coupled with Colossus, makes Egypt very difficult to beat. Chinese, with free Writing, can easily beat Egypt to the free trading post as well. English in the game ruins the strategy of getting to Monarchy first for the free great person for all other civs. English in the game also make for the primary target for Spanish to take their capital with either sneak walk-in or using naval support and get free Monarchy tech to allow for use of the dye on all those little 1-square islands.
J. Wagoner guess I gotta correct you as the #1 player in Civ. 1. Aztecs 2-16. Doesn’t matter.
Former 2 player your full of shit dickhead
You start with ability to build galleon, you do not get it from start. I agree, it's a strong bonus but not the best. Romans code of laws is probably best or Japanese free harbor in every city. Chinese and Greek also are stronger starting bonuses imo
nope usa is number one
Usa bruh.
Rush units for pennies!
if u use the Greeks right there amazing especially starting with a courthouse at least I really find it useful
Greeks are the best for the win with 1 city achievement
Greeks are top 5 I feel. Tech wins games. Democracy + half cost libraries + 1 food from the sea = tech domination. Pikeman mean great early defence. By the time the AI is ready to take them out its already game over. Only the Americans, Spanish, Chinese and Japanese can try to keep up on tech terms.
Greeks are legends.
I find the Greeks interesting. They are great at a defensive game, but so much so that I feel you are limited heavily to that defensive mindset.
I personally like the 2% gold interest more than the 50% because I don’t go for economic victories as much as tech, but for an economic victory I think the 50% is actually better, because yes early game it bites due to inflation, but late game you’re going to reach that 20,000 gold milestone quicker than anyone else to be able to win the game with world bank. So it’s situationally good in my eyes, but yeah, I do think 2% interest is universally better, even though early game 2% gets you nowhere until you have at least 50 gold for 1 free gold a turn.
Agreed what you said on all fronts. One thing I'd add, is that be careful having too much tech overflow with 50% gold civs. You don't get the 50% bonus on gold from tech overflow but stuff is still 50% more expensive to rush. From that perspective it would actually be a "negative" bonus
here are some top 10 lists for you to do in videos in the future
1. the top three Civilizations for each type of victory
2. the top 10 best Technologies to research
What is it?
Rome at #8 really surprises me. I can’t say what you said was wrong or anything, but for mine they are top 3-5 if leveraged properly. Half-priced roads & wonders, + more great people? Yes, please!
Half priced roads make it easy to invade you.
Or to rush more defenders to the rescue of a city. Or to move attackers into position to invade the enemy nearby. Or to safely move around valuable people.
@@ddc2957 I will try it.
Caravan bonus is only for built caravans. Not caravan from barb or goodie hut. Nor free caravan from currency
CB Loyola 23 does it even work for built caravans? I thought it was broken. Either way its completely useless.
mSalmeen10 I believe so. Can't remember last time I built caravan
Someone cue the Community, Chang saying "Ha. Gaaaaaay" meme.
Build caravans on an island with the Arabs or Egyptians and you can make like 250-500 for a train. It’s not the best bonus but it’s decent
Woah, Pottery is best Tec
#FrenchNumberOne
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Zulu is the most effective option. The two step move at the start is possible the most significant advantage of all the game. 50% gold is huge particularly when you have city with Colossus, Trade Fair, Bank and even the Internet. The Chinese main advantage is equalled with one single special person
I hate them so much. Shaka is a thorn in my side in every game he appears in. Nuking Zimbabwe is the games most satisfying action.
I always do well as the Mongols . More of a challenge
First civ I won with on diety was the Romans. That early republic is crazy good. My heart breaks for the Mongols, their barb conversion ability is so fun but it's so tough to play with on higher difficulties.
You should change the name of the video to "Rating the Greco-Roman civilizations too low". They are both top 5. Seriously though, I know I'm necroing this vid, but you produce the best CivRev content that I've found!
Nice vid man, Look forward to more bits :)
Always looking forward to the next stream! Super excited for your setup vid as well.
Mongols are the most underrated civilization on the game. If they capture a city and settle a scientist, then it's equivalent to the Colossus wonder. I used to think the mongols were the worst until I noticed I was winning with tech victories by 1000AD.
Glad you're still making videos about Civ Revolution!
I watch this video once per year. Every year I disagree with you about the Japanese ranking for different reasons.
The Japanese have a great early game.
But they have a lame late game.
At the start I try to find the closest civilization and take them out before they get archers. After that I focus mainly on defense, research, great people and just do me until i get tanks. Once I get tanks I mass produce tank armies and just steamroll as much cities as possible and whatever I don't take I get by basically converting them into my civ...Don't know if thats effective but for some reason it kinda works for me.
WeBe Flexin it might work on single player, no chance on multiplayer.
Just stumbled on this post. Have been a Civ die hard for a long time but Weirdly, Civ Rev is My crack. Curremtly my son and i are on 100% wins, every culture, every level, every way quest.
So, Super excited what you have for Viv Rev! First watch!
When I started playing Mongols, I was under the impression barbarians would convert to settlers. I was so disappointed when I found out you got the random city with no reward :(
And it seems like the new city has terrible resources.
The thing about the Anarchy bonus with the Indians is that it's great for using code of laws swaps without consequence. Well, apart from how easy it is to crash the damn game on multiplayer doing it. If the military adviser tells you about a domination victory during anarchy then the game dies.
@@civrev Yeah, there's a lot of things that the metagamers exploit. But that bug is a killer for the Indians, without it they could basically use the benefits of monarchy and democracy and then swap to either fundamentalism or code of laws on specific turns to maximise their edge. I truly believe that the most broken exploit is called Barb Glitching, it's when you pause during an online barbarian fight and let it end. This resets your turn, it's almost unbeatable with a war edge, especially the Aztecs who would basically overrun any barbarian turn one whilst researching horseback riding. Luckily, you only see someone use it very rarely online.
So much good content, keep em coming!
I like food buffs because in the long run they expand your trade exponentially. I build a robust capital and take the rest via cultural victory. I’d switch Greece and England on the list personally
10/10 on the clickbait side
Deepdark47 what was clickbait?
Commander Peridot #😏14 WILL SHOCK YOU!! 😏 #
Deepdark47 14 did shock me
Ryan Harris Well...uh...uhm....Shit you win
You neglected to mention the fact that when did Egyptians have Rivers running through their desert and they pop irrigation whether for free or they actually researched it, they get an extra food for each desert tile that the river touches. That's potentially, with a Trading Post, 4 research and two food per desert tile.
Also, if you actually research irrigation and not just pop it as a bonus, you do get the plus-one population bonus.
Also, plus one Rifleman movement is a solid bonus. I can't tell you how many times I've used my rifle men to attack with Cruiser Fleet and as soon as they take my opponents City, they already have arrived from an Army in it which is very hard to take back unless its flipped.
Also, you really sold short the Hanging Gardens Wonder. All You focus long was trees and science squares, but really what you should have been taking into consideration is that the Egyptians have that plus one food / desert Isle. If you were to settle with three or four desert tiles and only one tree tile you can set your production to one tree and to Desert, still pull in food and continue to grow, and set your science to gold. And it's the same as having two tree tiles.
I play the Egyptians, so I tripped to hear his commentary on them, but I will say that one of the best Civ players I know rocks the Mongols. I get up to about 20 Technologies before he's past 5 but all of a sudden he makes a jump and he's pulling more Tech than me within about five turns. It's insane. You also sold short the Indians and the French both of which I have seen Mastered by a few other players.
Ultimately, what's it really comes down to is knowledge and luck. Luck on what resources are available to you and knowledge of how to play the game with the hand that you're dealt and who you're going against.
I rate his critique a. 5/10.
He obviously knows quite a few things about Civ, but he also has wide gaps in his knowledge and his opinion comes off as being fact. Its not, and he has much to learn. I've been playing Civ Rev for around 5 years now and I'm still learning new things.
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i play germany pretty much constantly, and if you can get at least a 5/10-block difference between another player city, you can play wide and grow tall mid to late game. i tend to start off slow and dominate with tanks mid game, because growing wide allows for a more science-based build early on
My friend always played Germany and was aggressive as hell...he met another Civ it was war. That early advantage always worked
Great list! Personally I would rank the romans higher, have always enjoyed playing with them
I think the Mongols are the best in Rev. That horse ability can destroy everyone.
im surprised to hear you dislike the greek as much as you do, they are my favorite civ
Correct. They are not there for early domination. They are the early, mid and late game tech giants. Get a decent build city tech like mad domination well before 2,000. Science or culture victory even earlier.
You can't just dismiss them because they can't do one specific thing in the early game. They are a well balance civ that is always in the game.
@@Maniak76 my problem with Greek is more to do with democracy vs code of laws and when to expand with them. If you stay in democracy they cant expand. But getting code of laws and expanding too early makes them more of a generic civ that may not use it's starting bonus to the fullest. I would error on the side of beelining for COL and expanding then switching back to democracy later (maybe). But like compared with China who also has 1/2 price libraries and China has so many great other bonus, All things equal China will blow away the Greek unless a high amount of luck is involved.
Of course just beating diety AI if that is what we are talking about you can do with any civ it's not hard, but when trying to play games with constraints or just trying to get your victory as fast as possible, Greeks are ok but can't compare with Chinese or American for sure. Personally I feel like Joe's rankings from 13-7 could all be intertwined. 6-3 you could argue placement.. and 1 and 2 are definitely 1 and 2. Joe knows this game very, very well better than 99% of the people commenting on the vids (including myself)
This video is brought to you by Gatorade. Because water sucks, Gatorade is better. Also, it's because of people like you that I don't dare to try play online. I'd rather play with a cheating computer than people who know math.
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Vintage Joe. When the apocalypse wasn't just around the corner.
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I think to fix the Monguls if when they attack the barbarians the result is a settler, even if it remains a 1 population city. The fact you could move it into a better spot alone would make the better.
Great list. I always considered Japan top five tho. I love my science cities growing rapidly as a byproduct of the +1 food from sea.
Strongly disagree about Russia. I just easily won on Deity a Domination victory but I could've also done either cultural or scientific or economic I just wanted to get domination.
The 1/2 cost rifleman coupled with Loyalty is actually meta, it makes turning yourself into a mega fortress extremely cheap and easy. Rifleman is the best defensive unit for like 65% of a game's duration. Loyalty Riflemen are excellent vs Canons, Fighters, Tanks, name it, they only become weak when your enemy gets Artillery, and even at that they can be tough to beat.
I'm telling you, 1/2 cost Loyal Riflemen is totally OP.
Wow! You said Mongols are the worst. I was not expecting that.
Plus you made some excellent and often unconsidered points.
Well thought!
I played the Chinese on the scenario where you start w 1,000 gold on Deity and won a Dom victory by 1200 BC. I bought technologies and then sent in a spy and got 1,100 back.
I still remember my mom buying me the game magazine that had this games demo that would end at 1250A.D.😂
The even worst thing about being Mongolia is that the barbarian village drops the city in the same spot that the village was. So you don’t even get to keep the valuable resource that’s usually there and the placement usually sucks. In my opinion they could’ve fixed this by making barbarian villagers give you settlers every time
That would be too powerful. One extra free settler to start the game, or a settler unit from the first hut you take, would be a good balancing act.
IMO the French are significantly better than bottom three (though I would not put them in the elite category of course). The starting Cathedral & +1 Cannon attack put them in good stead for Cultural or Domination victories, & starting knowledge of Pottery I love - walls are highly valuable & expensive to build - I demand a free one & Frwnce is better poised for this than any other Civ.
Throw in half-price roads & they are a definite mid-table Civ for my money. They also have the greatest General in history at their helm (Come at me Alexander fanboys) 😛
Napoleon was badass but I always felt like Alexander the Great was the most badass lol
fantastic video, thank you for the time and effort put in.
Not trying to argue with your list because I know you understand the systematic paths to victory way better than I do, but I feel like you really slept on a few great civs (mostly Greeks). Overall great ranking, I agree with most of your choices. My personal favorite civs to use, even if they aren't actually the best are:
1. Greeks
2. Egyptians
3. Romans
4. Zulu
5. Americans
6. Spanish
7. Germans
8. Japanese
Idk man the japanese end up getting huge boosts to thier economy ive seen citys with like 31 population if you flip that to gold its pretty broken especially with the right wonders
Really good list, I agree about Americans too, they probably are the strongest, but you need to more knowledge to use them effectively more so than China, Aztec and Zulu, who any idiot can use effectively.
Also with the Americans in medieval, they can build a galley for 30 gold, and sell it back for 30. This means they can buy one, move the ranger off, and sell it straight away, basically giving them free ranger units, which are useful for defence etc.
Yes, been waiting a while for this! Looking forward to watch this
What civilization would you say would be best for multiplayer, seeing that the AI has a different dynamic from a real player?
It is. When Ps3 servers run out for Civ Rev, 5 on 10 best ranked was China. 2 was mine. They can play as Romans, expandind since the beging. Huge number of cities combined whit literacy and irrigation its so op. Also fast access to catapults, cos writen.
You Leonard are a really great player and the best youtuber for Civ Rev by far. Thanks for your dedication.
Japan has been my favorite civilization to play with, surprised it didnt rank higher, but I see the defense for it being low
Civ AI: Give me your shit and I'll leave you alone long enough for you to research the next item.
This is a great game. Can't believe they didn't do a sequl. Shame.
It's so much down to personal preference. Top civs in my opinion are the Americans. Totally broken. Do anything any situation. Power House civ. Then the Chinese with 1 plus pop. Also broken but not even close to the Americans.
Then I feel any from the rest. Japanese, Greeks, Spanish and perhaps Romans. The rest are situational but the ones mentioned are very adaptable.
Great effort. Enjoyed the video.
People play differently my fav is America but I'm also strong with Japanese Germans Romans and Zulu also factories triple production is my favorite perk in the game
Minor correction on the Germans - veteran units are NOT "elites". "Elites" are strictly units that have earned the bonuses (Infiltration, Blitz, Medic, etc.). If they don't earn one of those, the veteran warriors DON'T get upgraded.
If you settle a great whatever in your city post barracks they will get a free elite perk newer folk may not realize this so I'll add it here however late
Question:
*If you could fix the mongols in this game, how would you do it?*
Secondly. If you could tweek the barbarian perk, how would you do so?
Thanks for answering.
Joe Leonard:
It would make them unique indeed.
I wish Firaxis Games would update this game. I'd be happy with a new Civilization Revolution game for modern consoles.
Anyways thanks for answering. It seems you reply to mostly everyone and that shows you care about your fan-base. Thank you.
Have a nice day!
Settle a scientist in the barbarian city you capped
doesn't the +1 food roll over to the other era's though? I've found having fast growing cities really pays off.
Mongol domination please, you've made it sound soooo cool
Joe Leonard Aww god damn now you've got me in suspense
Joe Leonard Bruh
How do you manage to stream civi rev ive been trying to get it running one the xbox 1
The great leader start is great too bec you they're great to use at the time but if you hold onto them and build a city to their strengths then it'll be more power.
I loved this game... The only thing I hate actually is the length time... I always wanted the length of the time is more longer... But it just so short...
That's what made it "Revolution" and why the bonuses were so overpowered compared to other Civ games.
@@darthbigred22 it just my opinion, i actually never play any civ games other than revolution... im still a beginners and i don't know what is alpha centauri is.. Can u plz explain it to me? Is it a planet? Or something? Also if it is a planet, i want to know why the game never actually make a Civilization in this alpha centauri planet to make the game much more longer...
0:44 but you need extra cities in the early game to research.
Love the Zulu. I create one warrior take out barbarians then create warrior armies and tge free settler from 100 gold. On diety I can usually get enough gold to rush a library and create 3 warrior armies. They allow me to steal settlers and if lucky and early enough take a capital early in the game. I can have 5 cities by 0 ad from stolen settlers
Yeah Shaka has a long history of stealing my Settlers. He even bankrupted me in one game when I ran out of bribe money. He’s a bastard.
Man I miss this game... Btw you seriously underrated Russia. Local map does kind of suck but the plains bonus allows super cities that have high production, high gold/tech and if you're utilizing it correctly high culture.
i personally would have rated some different, mainly would have to agree. its nice seeing someone elses opinion and play style. Great vid
Played this constantly back in like 2012 and just re-downloaded it in 2021 on Xbox one lol
With the french I settle with many apples to grow fast and build the hanging gardens try it
Well-managed, with an emphasis on Culture, they are certainly much better than bottom three.
I agree with this list, it's pretty accurate though maybe I would have switched Russia with the Mongolians because some barbarian cities are in good spots and you really have to pick and choose which ones you want to conquer but Russians basically have nothing useful besides loyalty for defense.
I don’t even rate that Loyalty bonus. It’s not retroactive & arrives late in the game at a time when your armies are mostly already built. The Russians should not be an elite Civ but they deserved better than what they were given.
I always win with the Japanese the extra food from sea regions I just build I. Islands and you will win
Japanese early game perks are awesome.
Their late game perks are lame.
My top 3 based on the hundreds of games I've played:
Zulu
Japanese
Mongols
Romans not at 1st place is INSANE that half cost wonder bonus is LETHAL
Americans will fill the entire map with cities before you even finish a wonder worth building.
Ive been binge watching a-lot of your videos, man great stuff, have you played Civ 6?
Joe Leonard I feel the same way the game is just so classic, ive just recently started getting back into playing it.. such a timeless game
14 did indeed shocked me
Bro loves that Gatorade lol. Any plans on playing this again? I love this game man, and you are my favorite person who plays this.
@@civrev thank you for the reply! My friend who passed used to play this game, i would laydown beside him and watch him for hours. I miss those times. You are without a doubt the most knowledgeable person I've seen on this game, and it's always fun watching a master work his craft!
@@civrev oh, thank you!
This list was great for me since I play heavily in SP. But I wish you can also make the same list but for ranking civs in MP. Or maybe some advice for new people like me who want to play MP?
Dark Mess pretty much the same list for mp
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I actually think +food from plains is pretty good early game along with the Democracy bonuses of the greek, my go to strategy is grow the city as fast as i can with one warrior defending and one exploring, if i have the gold ill buy another warrior or galley for the wonders otherwise start going for advanced tech early game
By the time I had a cannon army ready to attack, I usually had tanks.
Miss you Joe hope you and the family are doing well
I played my first enjoyable game as the French and I had a swell time. Until I switched to Democracy…
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Played thousands of games of this, and I can't make a strong argument against any of these rankings. The one exception maybe is that Mongolia can be similar to Egypt, in that the right unicorn map can make them over powered, if all the barbarian villages were on viable city locations.
Haha I agree with you joe about number 14 for sure, they are not dead last cause that early culture can be used as a advantage. But number 1 is a tough call Chinese would give America a run for their money if you ask me... Ima still say Chinese number 1 lol but great ranking man
I thought it was a coincidence when China beats me with a tech victory.
I've hoped for this vid since I sub'd. Nice one homie
50% gold, here are my thoughts. The fact that it causes 50% inflation on the surface makes it a "non" bonus for me (it doesn't help or hurt). However, 2 things to consider (one pro, one con).
Pro: It can help you hit economic achievements faster if going for gold victory (or just want to hit a certain milestone)
Con: It can actually be a "negative" bonus if you have too much science overflow. Because you aren't getting the 50% on the "overflow", but stuff still costs 50% more. So too much overflow can actually make this something of a "negative" bonus.
So really, unless you are going for a gold victory, it is probably actually a slight "negative" bonus - or at the very least you should be micromanaging your cities so that you have as little science overflow as possible.
Zulu should be No 1 on single player. Their first 3 perks are perfect, if you need the 4th (half cost riflemen) then you've gone wrong somewhere.
I've beaten the computer on Deity with every Civ more than once and nobody comes close to the records I have with Zulu. Domination victory 2700bc, Economic victory 750ad and Tech victory 700ad. I've also had a max city (31) in 600bc accredited to their rapid city growth. Definitely top of the tree for me.
@@civrev Really? A tech victory on single player Deity in 400bc? Thats insane. I'm a natural cynic so I wouldn't be staying true to myself if I didn't ask how!!? I get the rushing settler thing but there would have to be so many more factors for that to be possible.
@@whatsthatnow308 he has it on video I've watched it before. Technically the ship can't arrive that early because it won't let you launch it, but that is what it would have been if the game let him launch that early. Need to spam probably 50 cities he had idk exactly how many. Because of how cheap it is to rush units, coupled with being able to settle a settler the same turn you build it (by unit stack) he was settling like 2-4 settlers every single turn
@@whatsthatnow308 another big tip is to try and get large technologies from happy villages. If you’re lucky you can even get space flight from a happy village…
artillery and bombers only! Domination victory. That means you have to wait until you have researched the appropriate Technologies before you could build any units
I’m at 4:30 recently started playing civilization again again I noticed I really like strategy games (even if I have to play them on my old consoles.) anyway I read the little encyclopedia they have available and Catherine was a pretty interesting woman; I agree the perks suck, but it’s fun if your trying to go for a more serious play through.
They are definitely not good (to say the least), but I won with them recently on my hardest setting yet & that was satisfying. It’s definitely a good Civ if you’re up for a challenge.
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Yeah I was proud it’s been months but I got the best ranked possible and was so proud
I only found this game about three months ago but man is it satisfying.
@@ddc2957
Agreed I love it but don’t play it anymore my main disk got searched
lol I won as the mongols in a tech victory a culture a economy and a domination victory