It won’t change, I think devs are investing most resources into the microtransactions, balancing and other things are left for later. Very good video, solid points.
No. It won't get better until they lose all their players to the new Valve game. There is no financial incentive, and that is what drives Blizzard. They don't care if you are having fun.
"Winning is not enough of a reward" So true. What I care about more is the moment to moment gameplay, that feeling when I'm outplaying my opponents with skill. It feels bad to play a game where you're playing monkey just trying to stay alive to the 3 brain-dead hard counters, waiting for your teammates to capitalise on the situation and hoping to god they don't turn around and start flaming you and throwing because you're just trying to play monkey, then your team scrapes through a win. There is no remote sense of fun in that scenario.
Literally climbed to diamond the other day and only lost maybe 1 game, and it was still miserable. Did not feel like the enjoyment of being on a win streak. It was just playing into pharah mercy and wrecking ball every game. Whatevsr peoples opinions are on how strong ball is he is objectively not fun to play against
Mark rosewater says most players don't play to win at all costs. They want to win, but under conditions that they deem acceptable to them. In mtg, that means playing a deck they enjoy.
It feels bad to play a game where you're playing whatever you want then a monkey says fuck to you and you can't really swap to reaper just for him because there's a pocketed soj on high ground and you have 3 hours on reaper, so you hope for 2 more of your team to all swap to counter the monkey then you lose because none of you know wtf to do. There is no remote sense of fun in that scenario. /s
"So true. What I care about more is the moment to moment gameplay, that feeling when I'm outplaying my opponents with skill. " Have you considered fighting games? I love Ovw but if you want the thrill of out playing, you'll find that in any genre of fighting games.
It's funny to compare games about this "avoid risk" theme, because in league, as an example, there are characters like Yummi that they just can't be meta. if Yummi is meta the game gets extremely boring and dumb. Same goes for shotguns in some fps titles and projectile spammers on FGCs. But in Overwatch, if you say that Mercy/Lifeweaver cant be meta, you will get death threats sent to your house.
What do you mean? If you say some character is too strong in fgc you will be told to learn the match up. No matter who that character is Edit: good "projectile spammers" in fighting games exist in mortal kombat 11, street fighter 3, 4 and 5, melty blood, guilty gear
@@АртёмТор-к2юbeleive he is discussing what is referred to as “unhealthy designs”. It becomes extremely prominent in games that have been around for 5+ years
I'm sorry but, the culture of a game is determined by the incentives that game presents to them. This idea of blaming community when Overwatch can't even get people to use voice chat (like other even more toxic games can) just shows they haven't designed meaningful reasons for people to interact in a positive way.
But these are still actions that come from the community. The company is at least expecting some minimum degree of civility among players. Once the problem is normalized as common behavior, it only shows that players are not prepared for the game itself. As we say here where I live: Education and respect come from home. This isn't actually Blizzard's fault and it doesn't matter how much they improve or create an anti-toxicity system. If players don't behave like people on the internet, it gets complicated and the game sinks. What is she going to do? send a letter to the 27-year-old player's mom and dad why did he call someone else monk*y? From my perspective, the only point that online game companies really miss is: If you are in an online game, you have committed a crime (be it xenophobia, racism, suicid* apology and any form of prejudice), I believe that the The company should revoke the rights to confidentiality of personal data to the justice and immediately open a police report for the crime committed, passing on the chat logs and situations. Because if the company knows about the crime and does nothing, it is colluding with that person, period... This is the only point that I think Blizzard is actually wrong, regarding this aspect of toxicity. Blizzard isn't anyone's father or mother to have the responsability of educating the player in social behaviors.
game sucks but does not in the slightest account for the community's complete idiocracy over the past year it is bad and it is beyond blizzard that the community is so terrible
nah it was def the players fault. Early on our biggest personalities like xqc were extremely toxic and the biggest videos would be people raging/flaming. Can’t forget dafran’s legacy and how it was seen as cool to throw. Also large creators like maximilianmus that uploaded exclusively ow.
Most of the official stream team are NDA bound though. Whether they consciously know it or not, they're shills. Their opinions are controlled to an extent because they get perks. They may or may not be 50-70% honest, but never are they 100%.
KarQ too. Out of all from his little group, he's the only one who actively avoids saying anything bad about the game. and I doubt it's because he believes it's perfect. Even Flats and Jay3 literally call the game "shit" quite often but you'll never see KarQ doing it. Either he's a shill or just has no backbone at all
Ball main here... Between hard counter picking and my team hard throwing because "ball sucks" I am not even sure how many games I actually lose because of my own personal skill. Last night perfect example. One match my team is asking everyone to report me and the next match the enemy team is asking to report me for smurfing.
im 100% sure that 50% of my losses as ball are my dps's fault specifically and the other 50% are because i was playing like shit. I constantly get "ball sucks swap ball I need shield", as I'm going 30 and 0 into hog sombra, but my dps are walking down mid and losing 3v1 to a solo sombra. They also refuse to swap themselves because they are too busy blaming ball. I've even had the enemy team call me out for throwing, despite spamming the group up button and watching my dps run in and try to 1v5 separately, one dps after the other. LIke yeah, no shit I wasnt doing anything, Im spamming group up, my supports are with me, they heard it, why are dps players so deaf??? "One match my team is asking everyone to report me and the next match the enemy team is asking to report me for smurfing." this happens to me all the time, like which one is it? Am i a smurf or am I a bot? They clearly just slap whatever label makes them feel better about themselves on the tank. I've legit had pharah players complaining that they weren't getting any shield, as they fly directly at the enemy widow and die while the team is still grouping up.
And its fucked up because ball is the most fun character and has a satisfying skill curve and never ending ceiling. Yet, when people play with him they sometimes shut off their brains and start flaming you forgot having a shield (which they rarely do for JQ or doomfist annoyingly). If I'm on ramattra and I do poorly my teammates scarcely notice as much. Keep balling though, even though it would be nice to play him in comp, you have to literally be breaking your back and winning your games for people to be respectful, although even in some of my wins I get flamed. Take care my friend, find other ballers to play with or group up with the few goofy and fun people that talk in chat, and just play at your own pace, whether that means practicing and chilling in quickplay, or grouping up with supportive folks in comp Fuck it we BALL
@@cagxplays9602heh even better when they ask you to swap to a tank you're not good at and they still flame and report you for not winning the game after swapping tank or not swapping earlier lmao
@@mentlegen3887 I could go 30 and 0 and get no endorsements, but play the very next game as support (play like shit) and get endorsed by the entire team. Overwatch players have favourites and ball is not one of them, mostly because no one actually plays ball so they dont realise the amount of skill it takes. You have no idea how many people think ball just "rolls around", I get that A LOT from people.
Characters like orisa, roadhog and mauga are so bad for the game because they get so much value by standing still and holding down shoot. It feels like if you play winston or any skillful tank then you need to but putting in 300% more effort than the enemy tank just to get the same value that they can get while standing still on mauga
No they feel bad because of their near-infinite sustain. Everyone cites Winston as this 500 IQ tank but you don't have to aim and your only cooldowns are leap and bubble, is it really an einstein tank? I actually think rotations on Mauga are more skillful especially because he doesn't have a shield or a bail-out ultimate
@@Anthony-zc7df i said one aspect is, i know it's sacrilege to imply winston doesn't require a PhD but (in my ranked experience) against his good matchups he's actually pretty braindead easy to play and against his bad matchups he's nearly unplayable so what's so skilled about him? It's no different than mauga, oppressive against some comps/heroes and impossible to play into others. Like any other tank.
@@neilmallick20 i feel like both of what we said is true. They have near infinite sustain which allows them to just stand around and shoot to get easy value. If you wanna believe that mauga is a skillful character then there is nothing I can do for you. mauga doesn’t need a “bail out ability” because he has “near infinite sustain” like you said. Also i would argue that mauga’s run ability is also bail out. Literally can run away for free and nothing can stop him. Also also thinking of shield and primal as “bail outs” rather than play making tools is a bit questionable in my opinion. If a winston is only using shield and primal to bail themselves out after they fuck up their dive then their not a good winston and wont climb. Unlike mauga who hits buttons and gets value for free
My biggest issue with the game is that it actively punishes you for putting an effort and trying to improve. The game has been dumbed down so much, skill and effort does not mean that you will actually perform better in the game when they can just swap to whichever cheese hero is meta at the time. (Because the devs will not balance based on skill requirements, everyone must have an equal win rate)
Bro im a bronze 3 tank and it made me proud to improve my way out of Bronze 5, I'm looking forward to season 11, praying to catch up to my wife so we can play competative together
I think the problem is as you get higher rank the game just gets more and more painful to the point that a win just doesn’t feel like it’s worth it, if you really wanna have fun in this game I suggest you just play the game casually and avoid getting too good because the game won’t reward your efforts 😢
I think Overwatch has a huge issue with pandering to ppl who's identity is being a victim online. So when the rest of us have legitimate complaints it's assumed that it's toxic instead of passionate.
@@defaultdan7923 Not that I agree with what they are saying. But it is well known that blizzard makes changes based off people who complain the most and the loudest instead of listening to people with legitimate concerns.
@@ZER0punkI mean look at hanzo, junkrat and genji (mainly hanzo) and even zen in season 9 and mauga in season 10. Everyone complained and they nerfed them. Doom when he was meta for 2 weeks in like season 4. Ball when he got shields and his mines were buffed. Unless it's a blizzard favorite then they won't touch them at all
Eskay has been known to outright call people who prefer 6v6 on twitter “andrew tate fans” and her video (although it has good points) puts the blame on core gameplay issues on the community. I didn’t decide to counter swap, I did so because I would lose otherwise
For the record you can’t even compare valorant and ow comms. I play gold in overwatch and someone is in voice maybe 1 in 5 games. In valroant silver there is at least one other person 90% of the time and often everyone.
Seems like the current game design is neutral when it comes to group chat. The more hero designs leans into self-sustain and less into synergy…there is less and less reason for communication. I can ping a location, I can do heavy DPS, I have an IMO, and I passive healing. Now i don’t need to seek out my team for support. I just stay in my silo and play the game.
after the 1000th “unalive yourself” comment? yeah, i blame blizzard. letting us already (mostly) depressed gamers rot in this stagnant excuse for a game for so SO many years - who else am i to blame? the kids are projecting for a reason. they are unhappy and nobody seems to care. no wonder so many are hopeless. they are not having fun, and are failing to cope. blizzard. fix. the. game!!!!
Format changes came with drastic shifts in how to play across all Roles. Throw in passives (auto-value, de-prioritization, gameplay obscurity...) + "individual impact" type of design + stripped down rewards and there's a recipe here for less engagement. OW2 has a lot of "unfair" structures to it; a lot of new/existing mechanics actively punish engagements and taking risks -- Invulnerabilities, Cleanses, A massive uptick in movement/mobility across all roles, passive reductions, more responsibilities, less role clarity. Throw in the overt hostility of VC + the path of least resistance for who to blame? , and it all makes taking risks highly unworthy of any player's time. Even those at higher ranks who might normally put in 110%. All of this is layered on top of the fact that OW2 is even more punishing to new players (of which there is an abundance) than OW1 was. There is a lot of obscured information (Numbers, Mechanics, constantly shifting technicalities with heroes, UI shrink, etc.) who can't learn the game unless they go out of their way to find necessary information outside of it (Content Creators, Wikis, reddit, forums, patch note breakdowns, etc.), resulting in a playerbase that will look to play the game w/o that information being relevant to them I.E - "casuals". Taken at it's full face, I'd ask: what about this game could possibly convince anyone that it is worth learning to the degree that Eskay and others who have been playing for years, would want out of their matches? The game's entire design is "off" and it isn't just one subject or area. There's multiple areas of development that need to be addressed (as befitting a PvP experience that had less than a year of development, prior to it's launch).
It's a bit crazy to me that Eskay admits smurfing ruins games at the beginning of the video and in the second half admits to smurfing Silver on a Torb one-trick account... Like c'mon. The call is coming from within the house.
ok and? its fun and its not like these good players are silver lobbies for very long, also, WHO CARES about silver players? It's not like rank matters when you're below average.
@@cagxplays9602 then don't cry about cheaters, it's not like they are gonna be in game for long, also who cares about gm players? You are gonna bounce back if you're good, so losing to cheaters doesn't matter.
@@cagxplays9602smurfing probably isn't as much of a problem as a lot of people make it out to be but it's still messed up if you want to stomp on someone else's experience just for some higher amount of elims.
Eskay definitely has the worst take I have ever seen when it comes to the problems with Overwatch. The game's design has the most impact on the type of players that play it. When you look at a game like Stardew Valley you have a very good idea of the kind of person who plays that day-in-day-out. When you look at what changed Overwatch from an experience worth caring about to one people play just because there's nothing like Overwatch out there,it is exclusively Blizzard's fault. They let the game and by association the community rot. When you give nothing to the community, expect nothing back. And that's just completely overlooking the ridiculous hypocrisy of "comp games suck because of us" and then "I got banned while smurfing in silver for playing torb!"
I want to understand her points but she is not being fair at all. Outright contradicting herself every step of the way. Seems like she just want to complain to complain. Screaming into the void with no own thought process
This didn't come across as a very structured video on Eskay's part, more of a rant to vent out frustrations about the game. When I watched it for the first time, I didn't really take it very seriously because it just seemed like a rant about feelings mid-game.
@@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs My issue with this unstructured ranting, especially as a creator that gets frequently featured during events, is the average viewer takes it at face value. Someone with a loud voice and large reach directs their lower ranked fans towards superficial issues and now you have people parroting a creator's rant like it's holy scripture. I'm not gonna pretend like if we rally all the players towards critical thinking and analysis that the game will have its core issues solved because it won't. Making a mercy skin for the spectators is infinitely easier and more profitable, but it would still be nice if creators stopped producing mindless inflammatory content and proofread their scripts
@@LilacVenus Of course, I completely understand! And I totally agree, I think unstructured ranting from content creators with a respectable reach and presence within the Overwatch community is unhealthy for the many people who view them, and can warp their perception of the game in unhealthy ways. My comment was more to advocate that this video should not be taken seriously, as it was clearly self-contradictory in many ways, and very sporadic, lackluster arguments (as well as a few opinions that should have been explained further given how absolute and obvious they were made to sound). But I agree with you, stuff like this should be taken a lot more seriously by those who want to tackle such complex topics. I suspect this video was taken randomly from a twitch stream just for TH-cam content...
@@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs Completely valid, I guess that shifts the conversation from "your points are bad" to "your mindless rants are spreading unhealthy ideas about the game" which are very similar, but in the same way as treating the symptoms vs the cause
What people aren't discussing about communications in Overwatch, and I'm not arguing for 5v5 versus 6v6, I am just making an observation. In Overwatch 1, the main tank and off-tank communicated back and forth about their cooldowns and timing. The main tank would call out when to push forward, usually down main, while the off-tank would call out flankers and their cooldowns. Tanks were generally more vocal than other roles due to their responsibilities, so having two tanks on your team increased the likelihood of active communication. Watching old Overwatch 1 videos, you often see tank duos joking around together. While DPS and Support did contribute to communications, tanks typically initiated and set the tone of those communications which is extremely important, more important than most people think or even consider. In Overwatch 2, with only one tank, you're alone in your communication. You don't have a partner who understands your strategy or might have supported your decisions in the past. This solo tank is more likely to receive blame, as there isn't an off-tank to assist when you're in trouble or to call out when not to push because your supports are being flanked or in danger. As someone who has always been a shot caller and mostly plays main tank heroes, I initially muted comms to avoid toxic players as what I would think of as mini comms vacations. After 10 seasons of OW2, I mostly keep them muted now because dealing with one or two toxic players isn't worth it even if it only happens one game out of five. As the solo tank, you're often the first target for blame, your mistakes are more visible, and it often feels like it is you vs your team.
True. As a solo tank you feel like you're on an island alone while dps and support have a buddy on there's. If you start losing, you get blamed because it's easy to just blame the one role and you don't have anyone to back you up which all factor into not wanting to talk at all.
About the comms discussion ( I'm immovable on this stance so just here to share my perspective, not particularly looking for a back-and-forth): I've given speaking-in-game a couple honest efforts over the years and inadvertenly some bad-faith actor routinely rears their head to spew a racist slur at me. I work a full-day like a lot of people and just want to unwind while having some good competitive fun in a game. Instead, I'm called a 'N*****' in the comfort and safety of my own home from some 'edge-lord' type, looking to get reactions out of strangers online. No thank you. Unless Blizzard can guarantee that there're genuine repercussions for such actions, comms may as well not exist as far as I'm concerned. If ability to totally disengage from comms didn't exist, I probably wouldn't play at all. (Edited for clarity and syntax)
I'm sorry that happened. Pretty sure if you report it (best if it's close to when it happened). They will be silenced or banned. As all in game voice is recorded. Curious was this on console or PC?
One thing I really hate is the whole “one trick” debate. Everyone has their own things they want to achieve. I play rein because I like to play rein. Sometimes I’ll play monkey but buts really only rein and my goals are to get as high as I can with rein. And people get upset because I don’t want to switch. It’s fair but there’s always a way to win from the other 80% of the team, and unironically there’s probably more value in a dps swap than a tank swap. I had a game last night where we got held on second point dorado against an mercy pocketed echo. The dps then blamed my Ana saying she’s getting picked to quickly by echo. My dps picks that round were venture and tracer. I didn’t care to say anything beforehand but when they blamed Ana I was like, “you think Ana is the problem vs echo when tracer and venture are our dps picks?” And they said “she has a pocket” I was dumbfounded like, soooooooo. And the other support was like “and?” And they said they didn’t have a pocket like that was a reason. This anecdote is just to say that everyone has the ability to switch if they want. But who the fuck wants to be forced to switch? If I lose on the character select screen then you just chalk it up to that. I’ve played rein in hardcore orisa meta and right now in this game I’m more comfortable playing against Orisa (even pre nerf) more than I am playing the mirror. Why? Because I’ve learned a ton in Orisa meta. Right now the rein swaps that come in aren’t practiced and I’ll just die to things that shouldn’t be gone for. In the sense that if they knew how the mirror was played they wouldn’t do a certain thing. But because the mirror is so rare most people (including myself) are unpracticed
I totally agree, I hat that people are so comfortable with disregarding the population of players that wants to just have fun with q specific character they vibe with! Like why the FUCK would I want to be swapping to orisa mauga and Zarya, my least favourite characters in any shooter, my weakest characters too, just so I can marginally increase chances of winning. Teams scarcely understand how irrational and intimidating it can be to pile on a tank for being the reason why the team is losing even though theres usually 50 different factors that contribute to the way a match goes. And to top it all off theres this awesome situation where if goj disagree with a call to swap because you dont think the character is the problem, you have an increased chance of getting reported, getting an afk player, or learning new slur that you haven't seen before😢 Blizzard needs to remove the extremes from this game and also make swapping more of a balanced trade (no ult should be maintained in my opinion)
@@mentlegen3887 I end up telling my teammates that want hog or mauga that I’m so bad at the characters we’re probably more likely to lose if I switch than we are if I just play the bad matchup. It like dumbfounds them then I ask the dps, if they can perform on Genji or hanzo the same as on soldier. Usually they answer no and it’s like, what makes you think I can perform the same on a different tank as well as I can on the tank I have hundreds of not thousands of hours in? I say orisa is braindead (and I believe it) but I’ve played maybe 2 hours of orisa total in OW2. I cannot be trusted in a tanked setting at diamond 2- master 5 where I’m at currently. Maybe at plat 5 where I would need to be to learn how to position and cycle cooldowns correctly
@@jamesgomez3455 exactly that man! I'll have to try that as well I'm genuinely baffled by their failure to see the logic applied from a different players perspective. Take care my friend and don't let others make y0u feel lesser for wanting to play a video game in your way✌
Im so happy someone said it. Im honestly over the discourse of One-tricks, because as you mentioned, they're a single aspect in a 5 man team. Im a support main, who enjoys characters like Lifeweaver(there's a certain I like his design, his visuals, and his thron volley) and Moira, and I lowkey let that shit get to my head and its kinda crippled my enjoyment of the game even more than usual. Im tired of letting meta and controversy over the characters that are "better for the game" keep me from playing a character I like and actually wanna improve with. Im def gonna take a page out of your book. If Im gonna sweat, it's gonna be with a character I enjoy because winning isn't enough when I didnt enjoy the process of winning
I feel the same way as a lucio onetrick. I really enjoy being able to wall ride around, I won't ever swap even if it costs the team a win. I can swap to an easy and boring character like illari and carry easily or just play a more complicated hero like lucio and force myself to learn the game more in depth even if it costs me a lot of wins. I also like to play against pharahs, echos, and sombras because I want to know how to fight against one to be more confident against my counters besides just playing for the team. I might learn kiri someday as an alternate hero to flank the enemy team just like i do with lucio but thats kind of it
One tricks are infinitely more healthy for the game than counterswappers. At least they know how to play their hero even in suboptimal situations. Counterswappers don't know how to play any heroes well
Bronze gets flooded with smurfs towards the middle of the season and they don't leave until the next season starts. It's miserable. Doesn't matter how good people can get in bronze when almost every game has at least 1 smurf or hacker. Not to mention if a smurf wins too many games they will throw games to stay in bronze/silver. I've reported accounts that admit to throwing as a smurf in chat and have yet to see any of those accounts punished.
It is mostly Blizzard's fault, L take from Eskay. Also, what is with this toxic Eskay arc where she now demands awful voice comms and demand her team play who she wants? Awful takes.
Yup, opponent picks mauga after losing the fight and it's somehow not devs' fault lmao. The player just didn't one-trick and adapted to the situation in a way they deemed appropriate, from their perspective they did all that was required of them
I had a player tell me the other day in comp "What's the point of playing comp if you aren't going to counterswap" Idk, for a feeling of self improvement with the character I enjoy? Counterswap mindset fits into this "community problem caused by game design problem" and I really wish something was done about it.
Overwatch has a horrible habit of restricting all of the players who follow the rules instead of actually addressing the fraction of players who actually abuse the systems. That's not a player problem. There is nothing more that rule following players can do to encourage those who abuse the system. That is ONLY something that the developers can take care of.
Yeah I don't like this at all. It's a company selling a product. If we don't like it it's our responsibility to literally cry about it. If they don't like our crying, get offended and sad because we're calling them out for their bad game? So what? Its their responsibility to make a good game. That's the customer/seller relationship. If their product is bad and they're bad at selling it, how is it our fault? We choose with our money, it's offensive to insinuate we have some sort of responsibility to be nice to the devs and give them slack even if they've been utterly fucking everything up for years. Yeah no thanks
The core issue of people's toxicity is official competitive systems and rewards. I am under the opinion and confident in that there should not be any rewards whatsoever from doing competitive. Because people who likes shiny things will go for the shiny things, but if they hate the process of getting the shiny things, they will start hating the game, the people the play against, and the people they play with. A lot of people in your competitive matches don't actually want to play competitive. And now you have this mix of people playing competitive who can't stand each other, so both sides now get toxic and it just snowballs. When Overwatch was purely casual, people were chill, but very shortly after competitive got introduced with its rewards, the whole community took a 180 and became the most toxic crap ever. Even Quick Play is pseudo competitive now, sometimes even more competitive than competitive itself. People are so lost in the sauce at this point. Competitive is basically rewarding and encouraging bad behaviour, and then you punish them for what you just encouraged. And telling people to not behave like that isn't gonna solve it, ever. It is a self defeating system. People think banning players actually does anything, when the reason they got banned in the first place was caused by the damn system they felt forced to interact with. Competitive was fine when it was purely community driven. (When I say "you" I mean more the devs who adds competitive in their games).
I usually agree with your takes but there is NO WAY you possibly think blizzard doesn't ban toxic people. If anything I feel like they overdue it with the bans
Hard disagree on comms because back in the xbox 360 days even casually gaming you had people calling out enemy snipers and positions and spawns and whatnot. Halo had teams running like a legit team with nothing but randos on a regular basis. What changed? It's like I went to college, didn't game as much, came back out and the social structures are so different.
You also could log in and get called every slur in the book and then some. Especially during mid to late 2010s. Good matches with good people can happen, but let's not act like there wasn't bad ones back then too
There’s plenty of reasons, but really it’s just the landscape being completely different nowadays. Cod was one of the first big shooters, the fun was fresh and worth biting through the shlt talk. Most of the time they were toxic, they were on the enemy team which let you get used to fighting back and getting revenge. It seperated the “good guys” from the “bad guys” in your head, now the only toxicity your gonna hear, granted much less often, is on your team. Ow1 had more room for less communication, there was more of a defined goal, independent tanks and targets were more intuitively focused. Now if you don’t get on comms and tell everyone to shoot the mercy, she’s not dying as much as she should.
Dude i cant explain how bad i want a customizable preferred hero section with like an hours/hero level display. And imagine if you could hover your teammates at the hero select screen to see thumbnails of their 3 favorites or something??? Wouldnt that be so awesome??? Im excited thinking about it. PLEAASSSSEEEEE BLIZZZZZZ
Rare Eskay L take, people dont take risk in overwatch because if they do take the risk they just get counter picked, no point to take the risk when you know the outcome every time. the game is just stale and I dont see how it gets better until they fix that core issue.
counter picking is only an issue if you play the exact same way into every team comp. map and gamemode will always be much more important when picking what hero to play, and if you get good enough you can make it to gm one tricking any hero. i genuinely do not understand why people complain about counter picking so much. most of the people who counterpick suck ass at the hero and use it as a crutch
@@boinqity4621 map plays a role but a much smaller role than it used to, also why would I want to spend so much time to master a hero when I get 20x more value from simply picking the character that counters the one on the enemy team. They go Winston I go roadhog, they go zarya, I go Winston, they go roadhog I go mauga, they go mauga I go zarya. I've played against streamers and won and got to Gm just by playing Simon says.
I’ve said this for the longest time but I think ow devs need to implement more modding capabilities into the game. How many games has WoW and StarCraft created through their map maker and better workshop for their time. Makes no sense not to implement as the community would make free mods for them and if something really good comes up as a new map, skin, it attracts more people into the game and makes people enjoy the game more..
everything i've clipped through ow1 and ow2 were moments with great interplay. they're the most fun parts. ow2's structure makes it a lot harder to get those moments. partly because there isn't enough of a bank of healthpools/abilities/ultimates to perform reversals in your 1v1's / 2v2's, and come back from disadvantage in teamfights
The problem with Overwatch, at least in my opinion, is that there is no meaningful progression fro casual players. Losing feels awful, winning feels meh, and in the end you're not doing it for anything. Competitive is a lot better in the new system, but Quick Play feels so incredibly stale. So much so that I would argue that the old OW1 level system was better than the current "hero progression" system. Because at least in the old system every level-up gave you a lootbox. In this new system, there aren't any meaningful rewards. The player cards adn titles I honestly forget exist 99% of the time, but more importantly, the grind to get them is so stupendously tedious that it just doesn't make sense. This is ESPECIALLY the case since your XP gain rate is dominated by playtime alone. None of the individual hero "badge" progression challenges (elims, damage, healing, etc.) contribute nearly as much at 200 xp for each level, which scales progressively up in how much you need to level up the badge, while playtime stays the same and yields 5600 (!!!!) xp. It's a blatant time grind and shows very little about your actual skill on the hero.
I'm sorry but one lootbox every couple games, that contains usually sprays, voice lines, and coins, is enough to turn the game from a slog into a worthy use of your time?
Yeah I mean a game should be fun on its own merits, if you need a reason to play and a lootbox is the difference maker then you should move on to something that is fun.
@@Thebestdruid Something is better than nothing. In OW1 I got everything I ever wanted and I still have 25k credits to spare. In OW2 I'm playing for absolutely nothing.
LOL this is the dumbest thing ever. Go play a survival single player game then. if you arent having fun learning the game then go find a different game
@@Thebestdruidyou act like it didnt help. I got a doomfist 3k coin skin and blizzard shit all over the sense of progression and the money i spent on the og game. Thats like saying "oh you dont need shoes to run when youre getting shot at" absolutely ignorant that it helps more than not
The devs are a disgrace in my opinion. The size of the dev team and to deliver season 11 the season of recolors is shameful. Makes you wonder what exactly the devs are doing all week.
Overwatch is the only game I have seen where the top content creators play other games more than they play Overwatch, that alone should tell us there is a massive problem
I think one of the biggest issues OW has is that it's mostly "solved". Outside of wide skill discrepancies or complete lack of awareness, everyone knows what happens when a tracer dives an Ana hard scoped on the tank. We all know how to counter certain characters or prevent certain Team compositions from working as effectively. I think the best way to address that is to look at what Dota 2 does. That is a game that is constantly reinventing itself adding new abilities or heroes in the game that completely upend set expectations. While the fundamentals of the game stay the same, so much of the game outside of those fundamentals completely gets upended allowing the players to feel like the game is fresh Blizzard is so rigid in their belief for the game that we can't feel like the game is being fresh outside of external changes like the new rank system or the dps passive. I look at what happened with Mirrorwatch as a great stepping stone. Instead of it being a mode sandboxed from the rest of the game, it should have been thrown directly into the game as is to create that chaotic fresh experience. This idea of chasing a perfectly balanced game is impossible when you also add in new heroes every 4 months that can upend what we feel is a "perfect" balance
13:30 Spilo is so right!!! So many People Smurf and shit and they don't feel the rush when they win! They go through the motions of destroying in low Elos and not making any progress! They are ruining the game and THEMSELVES!
This was said and happened way worse in OW1 but the gameplay loop was still fun. If a game that was abandoned is comparable in fun to a game that’s consistently updated, then there’s a more inherent issue than just balance
The whole reason im a ball otp is because of shit support comps. In ow1 i was bronze and climbed to diamond otp ball. Bronze in ow1 was filled with lucio, mercy comps. The equivalent today is mercy/lw. I feel so bad for anyone that has a mercy lw backline .
I play open que competitive console and I get other tanks in voice often we want the win. I play mostly Zarya I just hit diamond this season. In role que Tank all the swapping with getting flamed because their whole team will counter pick me if I pop off being forced off my comfort picks teammates not regrouping and feeding it feels RNG. I play this game casually I have way more fun in open que and any role that’s not solo tank.
What actually improved my OW mentality was taking a step back and playing OTHER games. I found that playing Apex Legends helped me mechanically and taught me when to push and when to hold a position.
spilo can you PLEASE make a video about how people assume counterswapping is a core fundamental mechanic in overwatch, as much as the devs want to push that type of gameplay onto its playerbase i think its a very unhealthy way of approaching the game if you want to climb and leads to a lot of the issues that eskay is talking about in this video.
It is a core fundamental mechanic of 5v5, Spilo "debunking" that isn't going to change facts. If you have only one tank then swapping into that tank to counter them is the optimal pick because it reduces the tank's effective HP. You're turning whatever 700 HP monster tank into closer to 400 or 500 effective HP. You know you can kill the other 4 players on the battlefield without needing to counterswap them because their health pools are normal and they have little or no defensive capabilities, so countering can only ever give you an advantage. It's not the ONLY way to play, but its the optimal strategy. Tanks have it the worst because while characters like Zarya soft-countered Dva in Overwatch 1, since now in OW2 both tanks are more powerful and Dva's extra powerful DM still does nothing against Zarya, she just loses against all of Zarya's extra defenses like 2 personal bubbles and extra HP without a second tank helping her. Meanwhile Zarya does zilch against shields. This format change was really garbage for the "enabler" tanks like Zarya and Dva who were never meant to solo tank.
@@neilmallick20 you want to have a 5v5 vs 6v6 conversation and that doesn’t interest me, the value perceived from counterswapping is overrated and easily curbed by teammates actually doing their job and swapping.
@@skyler7017 The value isn't overrated at all. You can do the math on how much more getting swapped hurts you in this game compared to Overwatch 1, the Dva vs Zarya matchup for example. zarya in ow2 has extra hp and an extra bubble for herself, compare a 400 hp zarya with 1 bubble. dva has increased DM which does nothing to help her against the zarya, meaning the matchup is WAY worse, and on top of that there's only one tank and nothing to counteract it so dva just gets melted. The tanks being giga-tanks is what makes counterswapping them tempting and effective. The only reason people "outplay" counters is because either their team is helping them or the enemy tank has no clue how to play whatever tank they're trying to counterswap with. In rare cares it's map-dependent which is the ONLY real strategy left at this point for tanks to think about. Think about an average ranked environment, you don't have the luxury of having teammates pick all the right heroes to help you.
ths guy talks about smurfing and how shitty it is, then eskay goes on a tangent about him smurfing and being reported, laughing it off as people being "stupid'.. how disconnected can he be?
I find it so funny watching people say things like "it's complicated" in Overwatch because I used to play WoW and Diablo, and I watched the exact same thing happen there. It's not complicated because the problem is complicated; it's complicated because Blizzard is incompetent and always makes things worse in any game they run. It's been that way since 2012.
I think some campers are the people that love to stealth through games. It can be a huge rush to try and stay hidden in a group of enemies. It's not always free easy kills. I understand many campers do just want a cheap easy kill, but not all campers
Anyone else that just feels sad about the one-trick debate? I used to feel angry about this discussion before but now I just feel sad cause I feel like I’m no longer welcomed. Also I struggle a lot with this argument because one-tricking is bad but counter-swapping is too, leaving me confused. If the game was balanced in a sense that counter-swapping would not make sense, wouldn’t one-tricks be harmless? Isn’t one-tricking a problem because swapping to another hero would give us an advantage to win the game and thus, essentially counter-swapping? If I counter-swap I’m a problem. If I don’t, I’m a one-trick (essentially, at least for that game in particular). I’m a fairly new player so I might be missing something. Ultimately, it just sucks that after 8 hours of work I get to play a game that I enjoy with the character I enjoy, just to be constantly insulted in both voice and text chat and now having content creators incentivising this as well. I understand that for someone that makes OW their living, one-tricking is probably annoying, but that’s not my reality, nor most players’ reality. Some people just want to enjoy the game the way they want to play it. It might be selfish to say this in a team game, but the truth is I’m playing the game to have fun myself and not make sure every else is having fun at the expense of mine. Of course, I wish we could find a way for us all to have fun, but it seems people are more concerned about blaming the players, the community and the way they play instead of actually contributing with meaningful solutions. Plus, I no longer play with chat. I have both text and voice off and I will not turn them on. Way too much verbal abuse for me.
As a support player in OW1, I felt like I had to babysit my squishies. As a support player in OW2, I now have to baby my tank. Now I cant help my dps with their off angles
The basic simplicity of it that a lot of people are not understanding about Overwatch 1 is that, yes it was not balanced at all (especially early in the game's lifespan), but it was fun. I would say that Overwatch 2 has been very balanced for 80% of the cast for the life cycle of the game, but it still isn't fun. They keep sacrificing the "fun" of the game to make it "balanced," but all it does is make the game as sterile as possible in the process.
Idk man. If online noise is what you're basing your stance off of, Overwatch 1 was fun for like 2 or 3 years. Form an outsiders perspective, the overwatch community has been a bitch fest for way longer than you seem to be recognizing. I can say for certain that I tried out overwatch 1 during the humble bundle thing, didn't like it, looked into the community for help, and got completely turned off because nobody else seemed to like the game. I only came back to overwatch 2 to see how it ran on switch. If I didn't like what I played in 2, id probably look at the community, realize that nothing had changed, and been turned off from the bitchfest of the community a second time.
I don’t talk in chat because I curse a lot. It’s that pretentious quote: “the people curse more when they’re more honest” or “cursing is found in people with intelligence” (maybe it’s all myth) But I just curse a lot and even if I say “good shit, bro” I can probably get banned. I’d rather hear callouts than hear nothing at all, forcefully
I had never watched one of your videos before and you spoke with conviction and passion and you might have just made a point or two here and there… imma lob a sub. Don’t stop talking about the real stuff. Whether it’s over watch or else wise.
9:08 you cant stop them but reduce them....like we did 10yrs ago. Remove the free to play model it's pure garbage and only helps smurfs, cheaters, and throwers......simple. Get a job to play a game that's all and if you don't have the money then you can't play much like how you can't eat without money
I’m not even a 6v6 supporter but it did feel like 2 tanks just required and rewarded team play more than ow2 where everybody just wants to solo frag out. It’s too volatile now as tank I don’t wanna go in voice and have ppl call me garbage when I went 36-3 etc
One of the main goals of overwatch 2 was to lessen the need for team play so while you're correct, you seem to just have a different goal than the devs
@@Lee-fw5bd yes but team play is pretty inherent to tanking as a role and so we suffer the most from this solo pop off shift. Nothing rlly dies against equal skill opponents without dps passive it’s boring as shit. They can’t have one foot in both doors it’ll never work. I don’t see 1-2-2 ever truly being fun for a tank maybe just delete the role but then we may as well go play apex
@@fligisx9916 maybe. I'm fairly optimistic about tanking in 5v5 but I also play overwatch as a casual game and tank is alright to fun when you're casual. Which is to say that it can absolutely become better for me but when you're good enough/high ranked enough that the game needs to become team dependent, it may be way harder to fix.
25:04 As a Gold Wreckingball player I can confirm this. There are a lot of people that refuse to help you in any way or deliberately choose heroes with bad synergy just because you don't play the hero they find to be the most effective one in that match.
Right, so it's everyone else's job to flex around you instead of just making the good pick to begin with in a game that rewards tank hero choice even more than player skill. Listen, people don't like wrecking balls for the same reason they don't like doomfist players, they're often toxic and refuse to work with the team or ever switch off if they're doing poorly. You're leaving the team with no front line so if you're not doing work then swap off. Honestly the only time you should really be playing these heroes is when you swap TO them to counter some niche scenario like a zarya bastion where a traditional frontline tank would have trouble.
@@neilmallick20 You're absolutely right with what you're saying. Even though I like to play Wreckingball, I only play him when the match up and map allow for it. If the conditions aren't right, I mostly start with Sigma, Orisa or D.Va to have a safer match up. If the enemy shows weakness I can exploit and they don't immediately counterswap, I can punish them with Ball. In lower ranks not many people know how to counter him, and those who know are likely not very good at playing his counters. That makes him an easy choice in modes like push or flash point, on maps where you need a lot of mobility. Of course I wouldn't play Wreckingball on the first point of Casine Royal. I always let my team decide their heroes first, especially my supports, so I know what kind of tank I can pick. Thank you for your criticism, but thank god I'm not a one-trick
@@unripetoast-nu4lv That's a great mentality to have. I used to take what Spilo says to heart that there's no real counters and to play into your counters etc. and while there's nothing inherently wrong with that its like, I'm playing ranked, I'm not having fun because I can't play aggressively as tank on the hero I want to play as, and my team isn't helping me at all so why suffer instead of just swapping and getting more value? Learning to play into your counters is useful, but you'll still need your team's help and if they aren't helping you then you need to find a new way to carry the game--you need to expand your tank pool and understanding there's a good tank for every situation. In a perfect world you could play what you want but the 5v5 format doesn't allow tanks to do that.
8:20 boom. overly defensive easy to execute gameplay has been creeping into every game i love in the past 10 years and its so unfortunate and its a game design issue in every case.
I agree with this. I think it's a "die a hero or live long enough to become the villain" problem. That dev's run out of good ideas and begin looking back at scrapped ideas while ignoring the reasons they didn't make the cut. Even though overwatch originally released with plenty of low skill heroes and defensive/turtle heroes. That illari has more negatively impacted the game then any other hero because she encourages and rewards the lowest skill of play while at the same time punishing the highest skill of play. For both teams. Combined with the fact that it's another buildable. It's not some super auto win strat to play sym, torb, illari but it is annoying to play into as you spend half the match clearing buildables.
@@ZER0punk this is by far the dumbest take EVER how does ilalri punish highest skill of play? she takes aim to do damage and timing. her helaing is limited to distance so she is easily punished by bad postioining. KIRI ruined the game FAR more. kiri punishes high level of play from OTHER heroes by one button that does 3 things in one.
@ZER0punk it's not reading comprehension. You redacted it vagely and poorly. Only decipherable with the context of the the seemingly unrelated next couple statements about sym and torb. I get what you're saying tho: her turret, a deployable with near 0 skill expression beyond map knowledge, being the main healing source of illiari and not her beam makes it kind of braindead and not engaging for both teams.
Yeah I want 6v6 and it’s tank power level back to..... but I don’t think it’s ever going to happen sadly. They are hard set on blindly marching into the void... I just want an idea of what they might find in the “void”
@@ivanych6231oh yes, because tank in ow1 was such an incredibly popular role, everyone wanted to play it! It’s totally not like queue times for tanks were so bad that they got rid of one tank right?
I like beating up on low skill players because I dont want to swap. If I didn;t feel like I had to swap and get out of the way to win a game, why play at my rank??? I don't want to swap. That's all that it is.
I so wish i could see players most played heroes/preferred heroes (press tab or something at the hero select screen) because I love flexing around my team. If I’m on tank and see dive preferred DPS ill go ball or winston and see if they want to go their preferred heroes. Or if i see a rein preferred tank ill go cass and run down teams with them. But nah just gotta click on and off heroes and try to communicate that I can go whatever works with them lol.
11:53 hey don’t bully all of Gen Z, just most of us I felt so happy when I hit plat and diamond the first time after struggling for months to finally get it
Coordinating with my team is my least favourite part about overwatch, maybe accident coordination is fine but I'm here to fuck around solo most of the time
Why should we listen to person who gets on every single blizzard marketing event, championship and even allowed to do a patch (even tho she isn't even a well-spoken or a top tier player), meanwhile we all well know how blizzard is so twitter-tarded around cancellations and such?
Honestly when the devs started to ignore player feedback and just resorted on using their army of shills to control the narrative is when I realized the game was doomed. Just reminds me of ow1 the way they ignore the community and pay people to defend them for their bad decisions. No way a game like that could succeed.
Polite comms are boring and pointless. No one talks because everyone's stressed out, passive aggressive and overly formal. Comms moderation chills comms
I used to be a Top500 DPS playstyle otp Kiriko and when they changed the healthpools it completely destroyed that playstyle and made the game just so unfun because I was forced to play in a completely different playstyle that wasn't fun to me and since then I haven't bothered playing because I'm not interested in those other characters...
Aside from moment to moment gameplay like outplaying your opponent with skills, I think cosmetic rewards can also play into feeling rewarded that you play for. Back in Overwatch, cosmetics feel more accessible than Overwatch 2 and you can play the game to earn them. People would talk about how cool the skins are, the voicelines, the sprays, highlight intros. All of these feels very special. But Overwatch 2 is a free to play game and the monetization feels egregious. Playing for cosmetic rewards just doesn't feel rewarding because majority of Overwatch 2 cosmetics are locked behind paywall. People would talk about cosmetics but then you get follow up comments that they're too expensive or they would need to pay for it but mainly the expensive part. And the paying part really adds up overtime. Or people would say that I don't have it or can't afford it. It discourageous people from talking about cosmetics because the system that manages these is terrible. It is one of the ways that gets the community together because they are talking about something good in Overwatch like how cool the cosmetics are. But right now, I see complaints about the monetization and such.
I used to be a bronze player back in season 4 of overwatch 1, i grinded hard and by season 6 i had made low master consistently. I learned 3 tank heroes and thoroughly enjoyed playing them. Occasionally i leanred anither charcter when i wanted to expand my hero pool and being able to flex made me feel accomplished that i was growing as a player, but in ow2. When i play my favoirite tank heroes being zarya rein and hog, i started getting flamed a lot even when i was winning majority of my games just cause i would stick to that one tank hero and find a way to make it work, so i started doing what i did in ow1, flexing to ram or sig or another tank and trying yo learn. But because i felt forced to do it to get advantage and stop being flamed instead of being a choice to give my team more options voluntarily like in ow1. I started feeling burnout which led to me 1 tricking zarya and never flexing regardless of the situation. Atleast for me, i became a zarya 1 trick because of the burn out i felt from perceived force, what are your thoights on this Spilo and everyone else?
@@OverwatchSuffering You're not alone dude. I love playing Dva and I've managed to climb with her (sigma, ram, and orisa make up the rest of my tank pool), but every time I start to carry on her, out comes Zar, Sym, Illiari, and Moira in succession. I've played enough to know when I can be stubborn and when I have to switch, but it sucks when I can clearly outplay the swappers, but the team doesn't see that and just complains to counter swap. Thankfully the more I climb, the more I find teammates who can capitalize on pushes and kills, but the "oh no their tank is decent, better swap to every counter in the game" mentality is absolutely braindead. And I'm not immune either. If my team is having a hard time with a hog when I'm on support, I go ana and it works 90% of the time
4:50 why? See, what if i just picked a hero someone deems underpowered and they decide to throw and now the game's lost and you can't do anything about it?
"5-10% of lower ranks wrecking ball games are lost because the team is mad the tank picked Ball" honestly this might be closer to 15% and goes at least up to Plat
I quit cause tanking sucks and they butchered ranked. I had 2k hours in OW1 ranked, masters player, and I'm telling you OW2 ranked is not real. They need to ACTUALLY reset ranks and mmr fully if they want to fix it, but there's just crazy skill gaps all over the place, so much that I recorded why I lost games and found that 76% of my losses were unwinnable games due to severely imbalanced matchmaking, trolls, throwers whatever. That unwinnable percentage was like 15% in OW1.
One-tricking or people playing a character you don’t like is not valid to the reason why ow sucks that shit is lame asf to blame someone or split the community up like the people who counter swap every team-fight are better or make the game better its FREE to swap Imo one-tricking is cool they actually have to adapt and the win won’t be a crutch swap win at all even with counters/map advantages people spend time/money on whoever they enjoy I don’t wanna counter-swap every match because it is BORING!!
This more or less, all the toxicity you see in games like these is because people take these games far too seriously and instead of enjoying them they get sweaty about it, people can say its a fault of the game or blizzard or whatever for not """fixing""" this but the issue is with the people and their mentality, nothing to do with the game, just let people play whatever character they want and move on.
I hit masters as a ball 1 trick around the time every streamer was calling ball the worst character in the game. The feeling of finally hitting masters on him was amazing.
23:42 interesting, I personally find myself 'swapping' on Tank from my own accord 80% of the time, mostly because I am feeling terrible in the Tank role vs. certain compositions. Like if I'm playing Doom and the enemy team goes Sombra, Cass, Orisa... 9 times out of 10 I am probably going to swap first BEFORE my team says anything. I feel the pain first. Perhaps in other roles (like DPS) you get asked to swap more. I think the most common is probably people asking to switch to Hitscan vs. Pharah.
Winning may not be good enough incentive, maybe. But constant loosing is enough of a deterrent. Also, feeling forced to experiment doesn't feel good. Feeling confident to experiment feels good, and that requires every hero to be good and fun to play. Not just three same ones that keep rotating around. Except one of them doesn't even feel good to play, it just works well enough to be worth running
Shill = people who knowingly pull their punches (criticism) because they are scared of losing all the goodies and freebies that come from Blizzard. I wouldnt call Esskay a shill, but shes forsure one of those people who will wont criticize a game until us (the fans and players) have established a beachhead like in Normandy and have made clear that its safe to land (criticize)
16:32 why...why do you think they people at blizzard who keep making these maps and keep making these heroes and these bad decisions, why do you think it will EVER change unless they clean house over there??
the game feels so shit idk... I only play dps since launch, Idk if it has anything to do with the role, but I dont think so... Winning feels shit, loosing feels shittier
Do you think any of these issues will improve in season 11?
The hype is at an all time low the season will be all hype at the start then everyone realises its the same problems and new ones
Surely 😏
Nope fans are divided and the dev team doesn’t care , the game literally is a cash grab
It won’t change, I think devs are investing most resources into the microtransactions, balancing and other things are left for later. Very good video, solid points.
No. It won't get better until they lose all their players to the new Valve game. There is no financial incentive, and that is what drives Blizzard. They don't care if you are having fun.
"Winning is not enough of a reward"
So true. What I care about more is the moment to moment gameplay, that feeling when I'm outplaying my opponents with skill.
It feels bad to play a game where you're playing monkey just trying to stay alive to the 3 brain-dead hard counters, waiting for your teammates to capitalise on the situation and hoping to god they don't turn around and start flaming you and throwing because you're just trying to play monkey, then your team scrapes through a win. There is no remote sense of fun in that scenario.
Literally climbed to diamond the other day and only lost maybe 1 game, and it was still miserable. Did not feel like the enjoyment of being on a win streak. It was just playing into pharah mercy and wrecking ball every game. Whatevsr peoples opinions are on how strong ball is he is objectively not fun to play against
Mark rosewater says most players don't play to win at all costs. They want to win, but under conditions that they deem acceptable to them. In mtg, that means playing a deck they enjoy.
It feels bad to play a game where you're playing whatever you want then a monkey says fuck to you and you can't really swap to reaper just for him because there's a pocketed soj on high ground and you have 3 hours on reaper, so you hope for 2 more of your team to all swap to counter the monkey then you lose because none of you know wtf to do. There is no remote sense of fun in that scenario. /s
@@MefoWho dont worry about swapping the monkey, just focus on playing better
"So true. What I care about more is the moment to moment gameplay, that feeling when I'm outplaying my opponents with skill. "
Have you considered fighting games?
I love Ovw but if you want the thrill of out playing, you'll find that in any genre of fighting games.
Honestly my last ranked session I asked myself why I put myself through this torture
i asked the same question and my team won lol
Win or lose, its this same feeling regardless
Addictions a hell of a drug
I asked myself that question several months ago, and I have since quit the game and deleted it off my console.
I will return when 6v6 does
idk I just stopped asking and hop in the MR waiting room instead
It's funny to compare games about this "avoid risk" theme, because in league, as an example, there are characters like Yummi that they just can't be meta. if Yummi is meta the game gets extremely boring and dumb. Same goes for shotguns in some fps titles and projectile spammers on FGCs. But in Overwatch, if you say that Mercy/Lifeweaver cant be meta, you will get death threats sent to your house.
What do you mean? If you say some character is too strong in fgc you will be told to learn the match up. No matter who that character is
Edit: good "projectile spammers" in fighting games exist in mortal kombat 11, street fighter 3, 4 and 5, melty blood, guilty gear
@@АртёмТор-к2ю I'm not talking about balancing, I'm talking about hero design
For sure. At that point the developers need to go back to the drawing board to examine why this hero or ability is so unhealthy.
@@АртёмТор-к2юbeleive he is discussing what is referred to as “unhealthy designs”. It becomes extremely prominent in games that have been around for 5+ years
I pray everyday so that Mercy and LW don't get to be meta. It would ruin Support and Tank for me 🙏😭
13:52 Spilo casually mogs everyone watching while giving life improving advice, what an absolute King 👑
I swear you make a video titled this all the time 😂 Bellin' up my notifs 😭
Spilo video titles be like: why overwatch 2 is FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN and WILL NEVER EVER BE BALANCED OR ENJOYABLE
Then we all hop online the next day
next video is titled "WHY OVERWATCH 2 KILLED MY PARENTS AND MADE ME HOMELESS"
@@CoachSpilothen How for the next one
@@CoachSpilo finally some content we can relate to!
@@CoachSpilonext video "OVERWATCH 2 STOLE MY HOUSE"
I'm sorry but, the culture of a game is determined by the incentives that game presents to them. This idea of blaming community when Overwatch can't even get people to use voice chat (like other even more toxic games can) just shows they haven't designed meaningful reasons for people to interact in a positive way.
Valorant has MUCH MUCH better community, despite it being a cuthroat Competitive game.
Ow community is a bunch of crybabies that ONLY complain
But these are still actions that come from the community. The company is at least expecting some minimum degree of civility among players.
Once the problem is normalized as common behavior, it only shows that players are not prepared for the game itself.
As we say here where I live: Education and respect come from home.
This isn't actually Blizzard's fault and it doesn't matter how much they improve or create an anti-toxicity system.
If players don't behave like people on the internet, it gets complicated and the game sinks. What is she going to do? send a letter to the 27-year-old player's mom and dad why did he call someone else monk*y?
From my perspective, the only point that online game companies really miss is: If you are in an online game, you have committed a crime (be it xenophobia, racism, suicid* apology and any form of prejudice), I believe that the The company should revoke the rights to confidentiality of personal data to the justice and immediately open a police report for the crime committed, passing on the chat logs and situations. Because if the company knows about the crime and does nothing, it is colluding with that person, period... This is the only point that I think Blizzard is actually wrong, regarding this aspect of toxicity.
Blizzard isn't anyone's father or mother to have the responsability of educating the player in social behaviors.
game sucks but does not in the slightest account for the community's complete idiocracy over the past year it is bad and it is beyond blizzard that the community is so terrible
I miss the in game lfg function. It was a game changer for me
nah it was def the players fault. Early on our biggest personalities like xqc were extremely toxic and the biggest videos would be people raging/flaming. Can’t forget dafran’s legacy and how it was seen as cool to throw. Also large creators like maximilianmus that uploaded exclusively ow.
The only person in the entire OW community that everyone can easily say that is shill imo is custa.
Most of the official stream team are NDA bound though. Whether they consciously know it or not, they're shills. Their opinions are controlled to an extent because they get perks. They may or may not be 50-70% honest, but never are they 100%.
And Jake, they are the final boss of ow shills
That interaction between Custa and Samito was really shitty from Custa as well
KarQ too. Out of all from his little group, he's the only one who actively avoids saying anything bad about the game. and I doubt it's because he believes it's perfect. Even Flats and Jay3 literally call the game "shit" quite often but you'll never see KarQ doing it. Either he's a shill or just has no backbone at all
@@J.R.Swish1 Nah idk maybe KarQ and Backbone are great friends........
heh
Ball main here... Between hard counter picking and my team hard throwing because "ball sucks" I am not even sure how many games I actually lose because of my own personal skill.
Last night perfect example. One match my team is asking everyone to report me and the next match the enemy team is asking to report me for smurfing.
im 100% sure that 50% of my losses as ball are my dps's fault specifically and the other 50% are because i was playing like shit.
I constantly get "ball sucks swap ball I need shield", as I'm going 30 and 0 into hog sombra, but my dps are walking down mid and losing 3v1 to a solo sombra. They also refuse to swap themselves because they are too busy blaming ball.
I've even had the enemy team call me out for throwing, despite spamming the group up button and watching my dps run in and try to 1v5 separately, one dps after the other. LIke yeah, no shit I wasnt doing anything, Im spamming group up, my supports are with me, they heard it, why are dps players so deaf???
"One match my team is asking everyone to report me and the next match the enemy team is asking to report me for smurfing." this happens to me all the time, like which one is it? Am i a smurf or am I a bot? They clearly just slap whatever label makes them feel better about themselves on the tank.
I've legit had pharah players complaining that they weren't getting any shield, as they fly directly at the enemy widow and die while the team is still grouping up.
And its fucked up because ball is the most fun character and has a satisfying skill curve and never ending ceiling. Yet, when people play with him they sometimes shut off their brains and start flaming you forgot having a shield (which they rarely do for JQ or doomfist annoyingly). If I'm on ramattra and I do poorly my teammates scarcely notice as much.
Keep balling though, even though it would be nice to play him in comp, you have to literally be breaking your back and winning your games for people to be respectful, although even in some of my wins I get flamed.
Take care my friend, find other ballers to play with or group up with the few goofy and fun people that talk in chat, and just play at your own pace, whether that means practicing and chilling in quickplay, or grouping up with supportive folks in comp
Fuck it we BALL
@@cagxplays9602heh even better when they ask you to swap to a tank you're not good at and they still flame and report you for not winning the game after swapping tank or not swapping earlier lmao
YOURE PLAYING BALL??? ARE YOU INSANE, COMRADE???!!!!???????
fellow ball/ monkey/ rein player myself ;)
@@mentlegen3887 I could go 30 and 0 and get no endorsements, but play the very next game as support (play like shit) and get endorsed by the entire team.
Overwatch players have favourites and ball is not one of them, mostly because no one actually plays ball so they dont realise the amount of skill it takes. You have no idea how many people think ball just "rolls around", I get that A LOT from people.
Eskay casually admitting to contributing to all the problems she mentioned in the same video makes me feel a mix of complicated emotions 😭
Characters like orisa, roadhog and mauga are so bad for the game because they get so much value by standing still and holding down shoot. It feels like if you play winston or any skillful tank then you need to but putting in 300% more effort than the enemy tank just to get the same value that they can get while standing still on mauga
No they feel bad because of their near-infinite sustain. Everyone cites Winston as this 500 IQ tank but you don't have to aim and your only cooldowns are leap and bubble, is it really an einstein tank? I actually think rotations on Mauga are more skillful especially because he doesn't have a shield or a bail-out ultimate
@@neilmallick20are you genuinely saying that mauga is more skillful than Winston rn
@@Anthony-zc7df i said one aspect is, i know it's sacrilege to imply winston doesn't require a PhD but (in my ranked experience) against his good matchups he's actually pretty braindead easy to play and against his bad matchups he's nearly unplayable so what's so skilled about him? It's no different than mauga, oppressive against some comps/heroes and impossible to play into others. Like any other tank.
@@neilmallick20 i feel like both of what we said is true. They have near infinite sustain which allows them to just stand around and shoot to get easy value. If you wanna believe that mauga is a skillful character then there is nothing I can do for you. mauga doesn’t need a “bail out ability” because he has “near infinite sustain” like you said. Also i would argue that mauga’s run ability is also bail out. Literally can run away for free and nothing can stop him. Also also thinking of shield and primal as “bail outs” rather than play making tools is a bit questionable in my opinion. If a winston is only using shield and primal to bail themselves out after they fuck up their dive then their not a good winston and wont climb. Unlike mauga who hits buttons and gets value for free
@@neilmallick20its definitely a little of both column a and b
My biggest issue with the game is that it actively punishes you for putting an effort and trying to improve.
The game has been dumbed down so much, skill and effort does not mean that you will actually perform better in the game when they can just swap to whichever cheese hero is meta at the time. (Because the devs will not balance based on skill requirements, everyone must have an equal win rate)
Bro im a bronze 3 tank and it made me proud to improve my way out of Bronze 5, I'm looking forward to season 11, praying to catch up to my wife so we can play competative together
I think the problem is as you get higher rank the game just gets more and more painful to the point that a win just doesn’t feel like it’s worth it, if you really wanna have fun in this game I suggest you just play the game casually and avoid getting too good because the game won’t reward your efforts 😢
I think Overwatch has a huge issue with pandering to ppl who's identity is being a victim online. So when the rest of us have legitimate complaints it's assumed that it's toxic instead of passionate.
that doesn’t seem right even barring the “ppl who’s identity is being a victim online” part. how does that translate to anything blizzard does?
Private profiles, perfect example@@defaultdan7923
If your passion is easily misconstrued as toxicity, you're probably just toxic.
@@defaultdan7923 Not that I agree with what they are saying. But it is well known that blizzard makes changes based off people who complain the most and the loudest instead of listening to people with legitimate concerns.
@@ZER0punkI mean look at hanzo, junkrat and genji (mainly hanzo) and even zen in season 9 and mauga in season 10. Everyone complained and they nerfed them. Doom when he was meta for 2 weeks in like season 4. Ball when he got shields and his mines were buffed. Unless it's a blizzard favorite then they won't touch them at all
Eskay has been known to outright call people who prefer 6v6 on twitter “andrew tate fans” and her video (although it has good points) puts the blame on core gameplay issues on the community.
I didn’t decide to counter swap, I did so because I would lose otherwise
Eskay is the self embodiment of delusion and confusion, do you expect logic from eskay ? 😅
@@charlesgadino1657 he’s a weirdo from the start, from dspstanky 2.0 to this… 😖
@@flyingboyeshe* hopes this helps!
For the record you can’t even compare valorant and ow comms. I play gold in overwatch and someone is in voice maybe 1 in 5 games. In valroant silver there is at least one other person 90% of the time and often everyone.
Seems like the current game design is neutral when it comes to group chat. The more hero designs leans into self-sustain and less into synergy…there is less and less reason for communication. I can ping a location, I can do heavy DPS, I have an IMO, and I passive healing. Now i don’t need to seek out my team for support. I just stay in my silo and play the game.
after the 1000th “unalive yourself” comment?
yeah, i blame blizzard. letting us already (mostly) depressed gamers rot in this stagnant excuse for a game for so SO many years - who else am i to blame?
the kids are projecting for a reason. they are unhappy and nobody seems to care. no wonder so many are hopeless. they are not having fun, and are failing to cope.
blizzard. fix. the. game!!!!
Format changes came with drastic shifts in how to play across all Roles. Throw in passives (auto-value, de-prioritization, gameplay obscurity...) + "individual impact" type of design + stripped down rewards and there's a recipe here for less engagement.
OW2 has a lot of "unfair" structures to it; a lot of new/existing mechanics actively punish engagements and taking risks -- Invulnerabilities, Cleanses, A massive uptick in movement/mobility across all roles, passive reductions, more responsibilities, less role clarity.
Throw in the overt hostility of VC + the path of least resistance for who to blame? , and it all makes taking risks highly unworthy of any player's time. Even those at higher ranks who might normally put in 110%.
All of this is layered on top of the fact that OW2 is even more punishing to new players (of which there is an abundance) than OW1 was. There is a lot of obscured information (Numbers, Mechanics, constantly shifting technicalities with heroes, UI shrink, etc.) who can't learn the game unless they go out of their way to find necessary information outside of it (Content Creators, Wikis, reddit, forums, patch note breakdowns, etc.), resulting in a playerbase that will look to play the game w/o that information being relevant to them I.E - "casuals".
Taken at it's full face, I'd ask: what about this game could possibly convince anyone that it is worth learning to the degree that Eskay and others who have been playing for years, would want out of their matches?
The game's entire design is "off" and it isn't just one subject or area. There's multiple areas of development that need to be addressed (as befitting a PvP experience that had less than a year of development, prior to it's launch).
It's a bit crazy to me that Eskay admits smurfing ruins games at the beginning of the video and in the second half admits to smurfing Silver on a Torb one-trick account...
Like c'mon. The call is coming from within the house.
ok and? its fun and its not like these good players are silver lobbies for very long, also, WHO CARES about silver players? It's not like rank matters when you're below average.
@@cagxplays9602 then don't cry about cheaters, it's not like they are gonna be in game for long, also who cares about gm players? You are gonna bounce back if you're good, so losing to cheaters doesn't matter.
@@cagxplays9602 you completely missed the point they are calling eskay a hypocrite not getting mad because silver games are being ruined
@cagxplays9602 WOW we sweeping for smurfs now!?!? Fucking wonderful.
@@cagxplays9602smurfing probably isn't as much of a problem as a lot of people make it out to be but it's still messed up if you want to stomp on someone else's experience just for some higher amount of elims.
Eskay definitely has the worst take I have ever seen when it comes to the problems with Overwatch.
The game's design has the most impact on the type of players that play it. When you look at a game like Stardew Valley you have a very good idea of the kind of person who plays that day-in-day-out. When you look at what changed Overwatch from an experience worth caring about to one people play just because there's nothing like Overwatch out there,it is exclusively Blizzard's fault. They let the game and by association the community rot. When you give nothing to the community, expect nothing back.
And that's just completely overlooking the ridiculous hypocrisy of "comp games suck because of us" and then "I got banned while smurfing in silver for playing torb!"
I want to understand her points but she is not being fair at all. Outright contradicting herself every step of the way. Seems like she just want to complain to complain. Screaming into the void with no own thought process
This didn't come across as a very structured video on Eskay's part, more of a rant to vent out frustrations about the game. When I watched it for the first time, I didn't really take it very seriously because it just seemed like a rant about feelings mid-game.
@@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs My issue with this unstructured ranting, especially as a creator that gets frequently featured during events, is the average viewer takes it at face value. Someone with a loud voice and large reach directs their lower ranked fans towards superficial issues and now you have people parroting a creator's rant like it's holy scripture.
I'm not gonna pretend like if we rally all the players towards critical thinking and analysis that the game will have its core issues solved because it won't. Making a mercy skin for the spectators is infinitely easier and more profitable, but it would still be nice if creators stopped producing mindless inflammatory content and proofread their scripts
@@LilacVenus Of course, I completely understand! And I totally agree, I think unstructured ranting from content creators with a respectable reach and presence within the Overwatch community is unhealthy for the many people who view them, and can warp their perception of the game in unhealthy ways.
My comment was more to advocate that this video should not be taken seriously, as it was clearly self-contradictory in many ways, and very sporadic, lackluster arguments (as well as a few opinions that should have been explained further given how absolute and obvious they were made to sound). But I agree with you, stuff like this should be taken a lot more seriously by those who want to tackle such complex topics. I suspect this video was taken randomly from a twitch stream just for TH-cam content...
@@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs Completely valid, I guess that shifts the conversation from "your points are bad" to "your mindless rants are spreading unhealthy ideas about the game" which are very similar, but in the same way as treating the symptoms vs the cause
What people aren't discussing about communications in Overwatch, and I'm not arguing for 5v5 versus 6v6, I am just making an observation. In Overwatch 1, the main tank and off-tank communicated back and forth about their cooldowns and timing. The main tank would call out when to push forward, usually down main, while the off-tank would call out flankers and their cooldowns. Tanks were generally more vocal than other roles due to their responsibilities, so having two tanks on your team increased the likelihood of active communication. Watching old Overwatch 1 videos, you often see tank duos joking around together. While DPS and Support did contribute to communications, tanks typically initiated and set the tone of those communications which is extremely important, more important than most people think or even consider.
In Overwatch 2, with only one tank, you're alone in your communication. You don't have a partner who understands your strategy or might have supported your decisions in the past. This solo tank is more likely to receive blame, as there isn't an off-tank to assist when you're in trouble or to call out when not to push because your supports are being flanked or in danger.
As someone who has always been a shot caller and mostly plays main tank heroes, I initially muted comms to avoid toxic players as what I would think of as mini comms vacations. After 10 seasons of OW2, I mostly keep them muted now because dealing with one or two toxic players isn't worth it even if it only happens one game out of five. As the solo tank, you're often the first target for blame, your mistakes are more visible, and it often feels like it is you vs your team.
True. As a solo tank you feel like you're on an island alone while dps and support have a buddy on there's. If you start losing, you get blamed because it's easy to just blame the one role and you don't have anyone to back you up which all factor into not wanting to talk at all.
@@Savevadeyup and if u win they were the reason yall won
Best answer. That co-tank voice chat and how it worked moment to moment as a part of teamplay is what I miss most about OW1 by far.
100%. Completely undeniable how much better ow1 is compared to its successor.
About the comms discussion ( I'm immovable on this stance so just here to share my perspective, not particularly looking for a back-and-forth): I've given speaking-in-game a couple honest efforts over the years and inadvertenly some bad-faith actor routinely rears their head to spew a racist slur at me.
I work a full-day like a lot of people and just want to unwind while having some good competitive fun in a game. Instead, I'm called a 'N*****' in the comfort and safety of my own home from some 'edge-lord' type, looking to get reactions out of strangers online. No thank you.
Unless Blizzard can guarantee that there're genuine repercussions for such actions, comms may as well not exist as far as I'm concerned. If ability to totally disengage from comms didn't exist, I probably wouldn't play at all.
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I'm sorry that happened. Pretty sure if you report it (best if it's close to when it happened). They will be silenced or banned. As all in game voice is recorded.
Curious was this on console or PC?
One thing I really hate is the whole “one trick” debate. Everyone has their own things they want to achieve. I play rein because I like to play rein. Sometimes I’ll play monkey but buts really only rein and my goals are to get as high as I can with rein. And people get upset because I don’t want to switch. It’s fair but there’s always a way to win from the other 80% of the team, and unironically there’s probably more value in a dps swap than a tank swap. I had a game last night where we got held on second point dorado against an mercy pocketed echo. The dps then blamed my Ana saying she’s getting picked to quickly by echo. My dps picks that round were venture and tracer. I didn’t care to say anything beforehand but when they blamed Ana I was like, “you think Ana is the problem vs echo when tracer and venture are our dps picks?” And they said “she has a pocket” I was dumbfounded like, soooooooo. And the other support was like “and?” And they said they didn’t have a pocket like that was a reason.
This anecdote is just to say that everyone has the ability to switch if they want. But who the fuck wants to be forced to switch? If I lose on the character select screen then you just chalk it up to that. I’ve played rein in hardcore orisa meta and right now in this game I’m more comfortable playing against Orisa (even pre nerf) more than I am playing the mirror. Why? Because I’ve learned a ton in Orisa meta. Right now the rein swaps that come in aren’t practiced and I’ll just die to things that shouldn’t be gone for. In the sense that if they knew how the mirror was played they wouldn’t do a certain thing. But because the mirror is so rare most people (including myself) are unpracticed
I totally agree, I hat that people are so comfortable with disregarding the population of players that wants to just have fun with q specific character they vibe with! Like why the FUCK would I want to be swapping to orisa mauga and Zarya, my least favourite characters in any shooter, my weakest characters too, just so I can marginally increase chances of winning. Teams scarcely understand how irrational and intimidating it can be to pile on a tank for being the reason why the team is losing even though theres usually 50 different factors that contribute to the way a match goes.
And to top it all off theres this awesome situation where if goj disagree with a call to swap because you dont think the character is the problem, you have an increased chance of getting reported, getting an afk player, or learning new slur that you haven't seen before😢
Blizzard needs to remove the extremes from this game and also make swapping more of a balanced trade (no ult should be maintained in my opinion)
@@mentlegen3887 I end up telling my teammates that want hog or mauga that I’m so bad at the characters we’re probably more likely to lose if I switch than we are if I just play the bad matchup. It like dumbfounds them then I ask the dps, if they can perform on Genji or hanzo the same as on soldier. Usually they answer no and it’s like, what makes you think I can perform the same on a different tank as well as I can on the tank I have hundreds of not thousands of hours in? I say orisa is braindead (and I believe it) but I’ve played maybe 2 hours of orisa total in OW2. I cannot be trusted in a tanked setting at diamond 2- master 5 where I’m at currently. Maybe at plat 5 where I would need to be to learn how to position and cycle cooldowns correctly
@@jamesgomez3455 exactly that man! I'll have to try that as well I'm genuinely baffled by their failure to see the logic applied from a different players perspective. Take care my friend and don't let others make y0u feel lesser for wanting to play a video game in your way✌
Im so happy someone said it. Im honestly over the discourse of One-tricks, because as you mentioned, they're a single aspect in a 5 man team. Im a support main, who enjoys characters like Lifeweaver(there's a certain I like his design, his visuals, and his thron volley) and Moira, and I lowkey let that shit get to my head and its kinda crippled my enjoyment of the game even more than usual. Im tired of letting meta and controversy over the characters that are "better for the game" keep me from playing a character I like and actually wanna improve with. Im def gonna take a page out of your book. If Im gonna sweat, it's gonna be with a character I enjoy because winning isn't enough when I didnt enjoy the process of winning
I feel the same way as a lucio onetrick. I really enjoy being able to wall ride around, I won't ever swap even if it costs the team a win. I can swap to an easy and boring character like illari and carry easily or just play a more complicated hero like lucio and force myself to learn the game more in depth even if it costs me a lot of wins. I also like to play against pharahs, echos, and sombras because I want to know how to fight against one to be more confident against my counters besides just playing for the team. I might learn kiri someday as an alternate hero to flank the enemy team just like i do with lucio but thats kind of it
One tricks are infinitely more healthy for the game than counterswappers.
At least they know how to play their hero even in suboptimal situations.
Counterswappers don't know how to play any heroes well
Bronze gets flooded with smurfs towards the middle of the season and they don't leave until the next season starts. It's miserable. Doesn't matter how good people can get in bronze when almost every game has at least 1 smurf or hacker. Not to mention if a smurf wins too many games they will throw games to stay in bronze/silver. I've reported accounts that admit to throwing as a smurf in chat and have yet to see any of those accounts punished.
21:39 tf you mean you was smurfing you just complained about smurfing?? 😭😭
It is mostly Blizzard's fault, L take from Eskay. Also, what is with this toxic Eskay arc where she now demands awful voice comms and demand her team play who she wants? Awful takes.
Yup, opponent picks mauga after losing the fight and it's somehow not devs' fault lmao. The player just didn't one-trick and adapted to the situation in a way they deemed appropriate, from their perspective they did all that was required of them
Eskay has always been toxic. Just nobody can say anything
I had a player tell me the other day in comp "What's the point of playing comp if you aren't going to counterswap"
Idk, for a feeling of self improvement with the character I enjoy? Counterswap mindset fits into this "community problem caused by game design problem" and I really wish something was done about it.
Overwatch has a horrible habit of restricting all of the players who follow the rules instead of actually addressing the fraction of players who actually abuse the systems.
That's not a player problem. There is nothing more that rule following players can do to encourage those who abuse the system. That is ONLY something that the developers can take care of.
Yeah I don't like this at all. It's a company selling a product. If we don't like it it's our responsibility to literally cry about it. If they don't like our crying, get offended and sad because we're calling them out for their bad game? So what? Its their responsibility to make a good game. That's the customer/seller relationship. If their product is bad and they're bad at selling it, how is it our fault? We choose with our money, it's offensive to insinuate we have some sort of responsibility to be nice to the devs and give them slack even if they've been utterly fucking everything up for years. Yeah no thanks
The core issue of people's toxicity is official competitive systems and rewards. I am under the opinion and confident in that there should not be any rewards whatsoever from doing competitive. Because people who likes shiny things will go for the shiny things, but if they hate the process of getting the shiny things, they will start hating the game, the people the play against, and the people they play with. A lot of people in your competitive matches don't actually want to play competitive. And now you have this mix of people playing competitive who can't stand each other, so both sides now get toxic and it just snowballs. When Overwatch was purely casual, people were chill, but very shortly after competitive got introduced with its rewards, the whole community took a 180 and became the most toxic crap ever. Even Quick Play is pseudo competitive now, sometimes even more competitive than competitive itself. People are so lost in the sauce at this point.
Competitive is basically rewarding and encouraging bad behaviour, and then you punish them for what you just encouraged. And telling people to not behave like that isn't gonna solve it, ever. It is a self defeating system. People think banning players actually does anything, when the reason they got banned in the first place was caused by the damn system they felt forced to interact with. Competitive was fine when it was purely community driven. (When I say "you" I mean more the devs who adds competitive in their games).
16:09 The way to discourage one-tricking is to design more interesting characters instead of Ramattra
Increase loser penalty for the whole group if people abuse leaving that way
I usually agree with your takes but there is NO WAY you possibly think blizzard doesn't ban toxic people. If anything I feel like they overdue it with the bans
Hard disagree on comms because back in the xbox 360 days even casually gaming you had people calling out enemy snipers and positions and spawns and whatnot. Halo had teams running like a legit team with nothing but randos on a regular basis. What changed? It's like I went to college, didn't game as much, came back out and the social structures are so different.
the entire culture of video game socialization seemed to shift suddenly. one day it was there, the next it was gone.
well made third party apps for voice calls
You also could log in and get called every slur in the book and then some. Especially during mid to late 2010s.
Good matches with good people can happen, but let's not act like there wasn't bad ones back then too
@@passdaboof this. Psn and Xbox have there party systems and PC has discord. Plus alot of gamers are 20 something's with friends.
There’s plenty of reasons, but really it’s just the landscape being completely different nowadays. Cod was one of the first big shooters, the fun was fresh and worth biting through the shlt talk. Most of the time they were toxic, they were on the enemy team which let you get used to fighting back and getting revenge. It seperated the “good guys” from the “bad guys” in your head, now the only toxicity your gonna hear, granted much less often, is on your team. Ow1 had more room for less communication, there was more of a defined goal, independent tanks and targets were more intuitively focused. Now if you don’t get on comms and tell everyone to shoot the mercy, she’s not dying as much as she should.
Dude i cant explain how bad i want a customizable preferred hero section with like an hours/hero level display. And imagine if you could hover your teammates at the hero select screen to see thumbnails of their 3 favorites or something??? Wouldnt that be so awesome??? Im excited thinking about it. PLEAASSSSEEEEE BLIZZZZZZ
Rare Eskay L take, people dont take risk in overwatch because if they do take the risk they just get counter picked, no point to take the risk when you know the outcome every time. the game is just stale and I dont see how it gets better until they fix that core issue.
counter picking is only an issue if you play the exact same way into every team comp. map and gamemode will always be much more important when picking what hero to play, and if you get good enough you can make it to gm one tricking any hero. i genuinely do not understand why people complain about counter picking so much. most of the people who counterpick suck ass at the hero and use it as a crutch
@@boinqity4621 map plays a role but a much smaller role than it used to, also why would I want to spend so much time to master a hero when I get 20x more value from simply picking the character that counters the one on the enemy team. They go Winston I go roadhog, they go zarya, I go Winston, they go roadhog I go mauga, they go mauga I go zarya. I've played against streamers and won and got to Gm just by playing Simon says.
It was such a good feeling when I first hit masters back in ow1 because I felt like I had to fight for it but i felt very little when I hit gm1 in ow2
I’ve said this for the longest time but I think ow devs need to implement more modding capabilities into the game.
How many games has WoW and StarCraft created through their map maker and better workshop for their time.
Makes no sense not to implement as the community would make free mods for them and if something really good comes up as a new map, skin, it attracts more people into the game and makes people enjoy the game more..
They actually spent the last 2 years of overwatch 1 developing a map editor like starcraft and it got canned.
everything i've clipped through ow1 and ow2 were moments with great interplay. they're the most fun parts. ow2's structure makes it a lot harder to get those moments. partly because there isn't enough of a bank of healthpools/abilities/ultimates to perform reversals in your 1v1's / 2v2's, and come back from disadvantage in teamfights
The problem with Overwatch, at least in my opinion, is that there is no meaningful progression fro casual players. Losing feels awful, winning feels meh, and in the end you're not doing it for anything. Competitive is a lot better in the new system, but Quick Play feels so incredibly stale. So much so that I would argue that the old OW1 level system was better than the current "hero progression" system. Because at least in the old system every level-up gave you a lootbox. In this new system, there aren't any meaningful rewards. The player cards adn titles I honestly forget exist 99% of the time, but more importantly, the grind to get them is so stupendously tedious that it just doesn't make sense. This is ESPECIALLY the case since your XP gain rate is dominated by playtime alone. None of the individual hero "badge" progression challenges (elims, damage, healing, etc.) contribute nearly as much at 200 xp for each level, which scales progressively up in how much you need to level up the badge, while playtime stays the same and yields 5600 (!!!!) xp. It's a blatant time grind and shows very little about your actual skill on the hero.
I'm sorry but one lootbox every couple games, that contains usually sprays, voice lines, and coins, is enough to turn the game from a slog into a worthy use of your time?
Yeah I mean a game should be fun on its own merits, if you need a reason to play and a lootbox is the difference maker then you should move on to something that is fun.
@@Thebestdruid Something is better than nothing. In OW1 I got everything I ever wanted and I still have 25k credits to spare. In OW2 I'm playing for absolutely nothing.
LOL this is the dumbest thing ever. Go play a survival single player game then. if you arent having fun learning the game then go find a different game
@@Thebestdruidyou act like it didnt help. I got a doomfist 3k coin skin and blizzard shit all over the sense of progression and the money i spent on the og game. Thats like saying "oh you dont need shoes to run when youre getting shot at" absolutely ignorant that it helps more than not
yea, NO game should be played endlessly (as much as the devs would love this), everything dies.
The devs are a disgrace in my opinion. The size of the dev team and to deliver season 11 the season of recolors is shameful. Makes you wonder what exactly the devs are doing all week.
im ngl... as a t500 support player... I'm considering quitting. comp is just soooo bad.
Ngl eskay undercooked that one raw
Still alive and eating grass
Spilo agreed with some of her points so...
She's right about the community contributing to a vast amount of problems.
@@343ishill he agreed the things she said are problems, not with the causation she gave to them. The environment creates the community.
@@batatanna This
Overwatch is the only game I have seen where the top content creators play other games more than they play Overwatch, that alone should tell us there is a massive problem
I think one of the biggest issues OW has is that it's mostly "solved". Outside of wide skill discrepancies or complete lack of awareness, everyone knows what happens when a tracer dives an Ana hard scoped on the tank. We all know how to counter certain characters or prevent certain Team compositions from working as effectively. I think the best way to address that is to look at what Dota 2 does. That is a game that is constantly reinventing itself adding new abilities or heroes in the game that completely upend set expectations. While the fundamentals of the game stay the same, so much of the game outside of those fundamentals completely gets upended allowing the players to feel like the game is fresh
Blizzard is so rigid in their belief for the game that we can't feel like the game is being fresh outside of external changes like the new rank system or the dps passive. I look at what happened with Mirrorwatch as a great stepping stone. Instead of it being a mode sandboxed from the rest of the game, it should have been thrown directly into the game as is to create that chaotic fresh experience. This idea of chasing a perfectly balanced game is impossible when you also add in new heroes every 4 months that can upend what we feel is a "perfect" balance
13:30 Spilo is so right!!! So many People Smurf and shit and they don't feel the rush when they win! They go through the motions of destroying in low Elos and not making any progress! They are ruining the game and THEMSELVES!
This was said and happened way worse in OW1 but the gameplay loop was still fun. If a game that was abandoned is comparable in fun to a game that’s consistently updated, then there’s a more inherent issue than just balance
The whole reason im a ball otp is because of shit support comps. In ow1 i was bronze and climbed to diamond otp ball. Bronze in ow1 was filled with lucio, mercy comps. The equivalent today is mercy/lw. I feel so bad for anyone that has a mercy lw backline .
mercy lucio is still far worse than mercy lifeweaver lmao
@@lumenox8541 Lucio actaully provides utility and does damage. Mercy pockets dps and lw is a healbot.
I play open que competitive console and I get other tanks in voice often we want the win. I play mostly Zarya I just hit diamond this season. In role que Tank all the swapping with getting flamed because their whole team will counter pick me if I pop off being forced off my comfort picks teammates not regrouping and feeding it feels RNG. I play this game casually I have way more fun in open que and any role that’s not solo tank.
What actually improved my OW mentality was taking a step back and playing OTHER games. I found that playing Apex Legends helped me mechanically and taught me when to push and when to hold a position.
It’s not complicated. Sack 5 v 5 bring back 6 v 6 and watch the magic happen. You’re welcome
spilo can you PLEASE make a video about how people assume counterswapping is a core fundamental mechanic in overwatch, as much as the devs want to push that type of gameplay onto its playerbase i think its a very unhealthy way of approaching the game if you want to climb and leads to a lot of the issues that eskay is talking about in this video.
It is a core fundamental mechanic of 5v5, Spilo "debunking" that isn't going to change facts. If you have only one tank then swapping into that tank to counter them is the optimal pick because it reduces the tank's effective HP. You're turning whatever 700 HP monster tank into closer to 400 or 500 effective HP. You know you can kill the other 4 players on the battlefield without needing to counterswap them because their health pools are normal and they have little or no defensive capabilities, so countering can only ever give you an advantage. It's not the ONLY way to play, but its the optimal strategy. Tanks have it the worst because while characters like Zarya soft-countered Dva in Overwatch 1, since now in OW2 both tanks are more powerful and Dva's extra powerful DM still does nothing against Zarya, she just loses against all of Zarya's extra defenses like 2 personal bubbles and extra HP without a second tank helping her. Meanwhile Zarya does zilch against shields. This format change was really garbage for the "enabler" tanks like Zarya and Dva who were never meant to solo tank.
@@neilmallick20 you want to have a 5v5 vs 6v6 conversation and that doesn’t interest me, the value perceived from counterswapping is overrated and easily curbed by teammates actually doing their job and swapping.
@@skyler7017 The value isn't overrated at all. You can do the math on how much more getting swapped hurts you in this game compared to Overwatch 1, the Dva vs Zarya matchup for example. zarya in ow2 has extra hp and an extra bubble for herself, compare a 400 hp zarya with 1 bubble. dva has increased DM which does nothing to help her against the zarya, meaning the matchup is WAY worse, and on top of that there's only one tank and nothing to counteract it so dva just gets melted. The tanks being giga-tanks is what makes counterswapping them tempting and effective. The only reason people "outplay" counters is because either their team is helping them or the enemy tank has no clue how to play whatever tank they're trying to counterswap with. In rare cares it's map-dependent which is the ONLY real strategy left at this point for tanks to think about. Think about an average ranked environment, you don't have the luxury of having teammates pick all the right heroes to help you.
ths guy talks about smurfing and how shitty it is, then eskay goes on a tangent about him smurfing and being reported, laughing it off as people being "stupid'.. how disconnected can he be?
I find it so funny watching people say things like "it's complicated" in Overwatch because I used to play WoW and Diablo, and I watched the exact same thing happen there.
It's not complicated because the problem is complicated; it's complicated because Blizzard is incompetent and always makes things worse in any game they run.
It's been that way since 2012.
Spilo has clearly never done cocaine
I think some campers are the people that love to stealth through games. It can be a huge rush to try and stay hidden in a group of enemies. It's not always free easy kills.
I understand many campers do just want a cheap easy kill, but not all campers
Anyone else that just feels sad about the one-trick debate? I used to feel angry about this discussion before but now I just feel sad cause I feel like I’m no longer welcomed. Also I struggle a lot with this argument because one-tricking is bad but counter-swapping is too, leaving me confused. If the game was balanced in a sense that counter-swapping would not make sense, wouldn’t one-tricks be harmless? Isn’t one-tricking a problem because swapping to another hero would give us an advantage to win the game and thus, essentially counter-swapping? If I counter-swap I’m a problem. If I don’t, I’m a one-trick (essentially, at least for that game in particular). I’m a fairly new player so I might be missing something.
Ultimately, it just sucks that after 8 hours of work I get to play a game that I enjoy with the character I enjoy, just to be constantly insulted in both voice and text chat and now having content creators incentivising this as well. I understand that for someone that makes OW their living, one-tricking is probably annoying, but that’s not my reality, nor most players’ reality. Some people just want to enjoy the game the way they want to play it. It might be selfish to say this in a team game, but the truth is I’m playing the game to have fun myself and not make sure every else is having fun at the expense of mine. Of course, I wish we could find a way for us all to have fun, but it seems people are more concerned about blaming the players, the community and the way they play instead of actually contributing with meaningful solutions.
Plus, I no longer play with chat. I have both text and voice off and I will not turn them on. Way too much verbal abuse for me.
As a support player in OW1, I felt like I had to babysit my squishies. As a support player in OW2, I now have to baby my tank. Now I cant help my dps with their off angles
The basic simplicity of it that a lot of people are not understanding about Overwatch 1 is that, yes it was not balanced at all (especially early in the game's lifespan), but it was fun. I would say that Overwatch 2 has been very balanced for 80% of the cast for the life cycle of the game, but it still isn't fun.
They keep sacrificing the "fun" of the game to make it "balanced," but all it does is make the game as sterile as possible in the process.
Wow, what an incredibly wrong statement.
Idk man. If online noise is what you're basing your stance off of, Overwatch 1 was fun for like 2 or 3 years. Form an outsiders perspective, the overwatch community has been a bitch fest for way longer than you seem to be recognizing. I can say for certain that I tried out overwatch 1 during the humble bundle thing, didn't like it, looked into the community for help, and got completely turned off because nobody else seemed to like the game.
I only came back to overwatch 2 to see how it ran on switch. If I didn't like what I played in 2, id probably look at the community, realize that nothing had changed, and been turned off from the bitchfest of the community a second time.
Truthpilled
I don’t talk in chat because I curse a lot. It’s that pretentious quote: “the people curse more when they’re more honest” or “cursing is found in people with intelligence” (maybe it’s all myth)
But I just curse a lot and even if I say “good shit, bro” I can probably get banned. I’d rather hear callouts than hear nothing at all, forcefully
I AM SO FUCKING DUMB HAHAHHAHHAHAHAA SHIT
I had never watched one of your videos before and you spoke with conviction and passion and you might have just made a point or two here and there… imma lob a sub. Don’t stop talking about the real stuff. Whether it’s over watch or else wise.
9:08 you cant stop them but reduce them....like we did 10yrs ago. Remove the free to play model it's pure garbage and only helps smurfs, cheaters, and throwers......simple. Get a job to play a game that's all and if you don't have the money then you can't play much like how you can't eat without money
no 30 sec into the video of eskay and I cannot eat enough to puke the amount I want to puke. Im fed up with these "arguments"
i would rather eat puke than play OVERWATCH rn
I’m not even a 6v6 supporter but it did feel like 2 tanks just required and rewarded team play more than ow2 where everybody just wants to solo frag out. It’s too volatile now as tank I don’t wanna go in voice and have ppl call me garbage when I went 36-3 etc
One of the main goals of overwatch 2 was to lessen the need for team play so while you're correct, you seem to just have a different goal than the devs
@@Lee-fw5bd yes but team play is pretty inherent to tanking as a role and so we suffer the most from this solo pop off shift. Nothing rlly dies against equal skill opponents without dps passive it’s boring as shit. They can’t have one foot in both doors it’ll never work. I don’t see 1-2-2 ever truly being fun for a tank maybe just delete the role but then we may as well go play apex
@@fligisx9916 maybe. I'm fairly optimistic about tanking in 5v5 but I also play overwatch as a casual game and tank is alright to fun when you're casual. Which is to say that it can absolutely become better for me but when you're good enough/high ranked enough that the game needs to become team dependent, it may be way harder to fix.
25:04 As a Gold Wreckingball player I can confirm this. There are a lot of people that refuse to help you in any way or deliberately choose heroes with bad synergy just because you don't play the hero they find to be the most effective one in that match.
Right, so it's everyone else's job to flex around you instead of just making the good pick to begin with in a game that rewards tank hero choice even more than player skill. Listen, people don't like wrecking balls for the same reason they don't like doomfist players, they're often toxic and refuse to work with the team or ever switch off if they're doing poorly. You're leaving the team with no front line so if you're not doing work then swap off. Honestly the only time you should really be playing these heroes is when you swap TO them to counter some niche scenario like a zarya bastion where a traditional frontline tank would have trouble.
@@neilmallick20 You're absolutely right with what you're saying. Even though I like to play Wreckingball, I only play him when the match up and map allow for it. If the conditions aren't right, I mostly start with Sigma, Orisa or D.Va to have a safer match up. If the enemy shows weakness I can exploit and they don't immediately counterswap, I can punish them with Ball. In lower ranks not many people know how to counter him, and those who know are likely not very good at playing his counters. That makes him an easy choice in modes like push or flash point, on maps where you need a lot of mobility. Of course I wouldn't play Wreckingball on the first point of Casine Royal. I always let my team decide their heroes first, especially my supports, so I know what kind of tank I can pick. Thank you for your criticism, but thank god I'm not a one-trick
@@unripetoast-nu4lv That's a great mentality to have. I used to take what Spilo says to heart that there's no real counters and to play into your counters etc. and while there's nothing inherently wrong with that its like, I'm playing ranked, I'm not having fun because I can't play aggressively as tank on the hero I want to play as, and my team isn't helping me at all so why suffer instead of just swapping and getting more value? Learning to play into your counters is useful, but you'll still need your team's help and if they aren't helping you then you need to find a new way to carry the game--you need to expand your tank pool and understanding there's a good tank for every situation. In a perfect world you could play what you want but the 5v5 format doesn't allow tanks to do that.
8:20 boom. overly defensive easy to execute gameplay has been creeping into every game i love in the past 10 years and its so unfortunate
and its a game design issue in every case.
I agree with this. I think it's a "die a hero or live long enough to become the villain" problem. That dev's run out of good ideas and begin looking back at scrapped ideas while ignoring the reasons they didn't make the cut.
Even though overwatch originally released with plenty of low skill heroes and defensive/turtle heroes. That illari has more negatively impacted the game then any other hero because she encourages and rewards the lowest skill of play while at the same time punishing the highest skill of play. For both teams. Combined with the fact that it's another buildable. It's not some super auto win strat to play sym, torb, illari but it is annoying to play into as you spend half the match clearing buildables.
@@ZER0punk this is by far the dumbest take EVER how does ilalri punish highest skill of play? she takes aim to do damage and timing. her helaing is limited to distance so she is easily punished by bad postioining. KIRI ruined the game FAR more. kiri punishes high level of play from OTHER heroes by one button that does 3 things in one.
Designing for lowest common denominator.
@@cpenner7086This isn't even remotely close to what I was even talking about. That's some poor reading comprehension.
@ZER0punk it's not reading comprehension. You redacted it vagely and poorly. Only decipherable with the context of the the seemingly unrelated next couple statements about sym and torb.
I get what you're saying tho: her turret, a deployable with near 0 skill expression beyond map knowledge, being the main healing source of illiari and not her beam makes it kind of braindead and not engaging for both teams.
Is tank really at 12% player population? If this is true how should team 4 go about fixing this problem?
Bringing back our second tank and adjusting their power to making them a tanks instead of raid bosses?
@@ivanych6231so going back to ov1 when barely anyone played tank, great idea
Yeah I want 6v6 and it’s tank power level back to..... but I don’t think it’s ever going to happen sadly. They are hard set on blindly marching into the void... I just want an idea of what they might find in the “void”
@@ivanych6231 I like how this doesn't address the original question at all...
@@ivanych6231oh yes, because tank in ow1 was such an incredibly popular role, everyone wanted to play it! It’s totally not like queue times for tanks were so bad that they got rid of one tank right?
I like beating up on low skill players because I dont want to swap. If I didn;t feel like I had to swap and get out of the way to win a game, why play at my rank??? I don't want to swap. That's all that it is.
I am brain rotting with that Gen Z attention span-level video speed up
I also liked solo tanking when it was open Q. The most annoying part was that no one would switch when we were getting stomped.
I so wish i could see players most played heroes/preferred heroes (press tab or something at the hero select screen) because I love flexing around my team. If I’m on tank and see dive preferred DPS ill go ball or winston and see if they want to go their preferred heroes. Or if i see a rein preferred tank ill go cass and run down teams with them. But nah just gotta click on and off heroes and try to communicate that I can go whatever works with them lol.
I think Thor said something in the same direction about how they should build in a positive reinforcement loop that rewards positive behavior.
11:53 hey don’t bully all of Gen Z, just most of us
I felt so happy when I hit plat and diamond the first time after struggling for months to finally get it
Coordinating with my team is my least favourite part about overwatch, maybe accident coordination is fine but I'm here to fuck around solo most of the time
Want OW2 to be amazing? Implement guilds, make it 5 stack comp queue.
Why should we listen to person who gets on every single blizzard marketing event, championship and even allowed to do a patch (even tho she isn't even a well-spoken or a top tier player), meanwhile we all well know how blizzard is so twitter-tarded around cancellations and such?
Honestly when the devs started to ignore player feedback and just resorted on using their army of shills to control the narrative is when I realized the game was doomed. Just reminds me of ow1 the way they ignore the community and pay people to defend them for their bad decisions. No way a game like that could succeed.
Polite comms are boring and pointless. No one talks because everyone's stressed out, passive aggressive and overly formal. Comms moderation chills comms
I used to be a Top500 DPS playstyle otp Kiriko and when they changed the healthpools it completely destroyed that playstyle and made the game just so unfun because I was forced to play in a completely different playstyle that wasn't fun to me and since then I haven't bothered playing because I'm not interested in those other characters...
Kiriko can't dps anymore? Just asking because I only recently started playing and Kiri's my favorite😅
Aside from moment to moment gameplay like outplaying your opponent with skills, I think cosmetic rewards can also play into feeling rewarded that you play for. Back in Overwatch, cosmetics feel more accessible than Overwatch 2 and you can play the game to earn them. People would talk about how cool the skins are, the voicelines, the sprays, highlight intros. All of these feels very special.
But Overwatch 2 is a free to play game and the monetization feels egregious. Playing for cosmetic rewards just doesn't feel rewarding because majority of Overwatch 2 cosmetics are locked behind paywall. People would talk about cosmetics but then you get follow up comments that they're too expensive or they would need to pay for it but mainly the expensive part. And the paying part really adds up overtime. Or people would say that I don't have it or can't afford it. It discourageous people from talking about cosmetics because the system that manages these is terrible.
It is one of the ways that gets the community together because they are talking about something good in Overwatch like how cool the cosmetics are. But right now, I see complaints about the monetization and such.
I used to be a bronze player back in season 4 of overwatch 1, i grinded hard and by season 6 i had made low master consistently. I learned 3 tank heroes and thoroughly enjoyed playing them. Occasionally i leanred anither charcter when i wanted to expand my hero pool and being able to flex made me feel accomplished that i was growing as a player, but in ow2. When i play my favoirite tank heroes being zarya rein and hog, i started getting flamed a lot even when i was winning majority of my games just cause i would stick to that one tank hero and find a way to make it work, so i started doing what i did in ow1, flexing to ram or sig or another tank and trying yo learn. But because i felt forced to do it to get advantage and stop being flamed instead of being a choice to give my team more options voluntarily like in ow1. I started feeling burnout which led to me 1 tricking zarya and never flexing regardless of the situation. Atleast for me, i became a zarya 1 trick because of the burn out i felt from perceived force, what are your thoights on this Spilo and everyone else?
Lmao I literally paused the video at 16 minutes to type how I felt and then you said the exact same thing I did after I unpaused, that's hilarious 😂.
@@OverwatchSuffering You're not alone dude. I love playing Dva and I've managed to climb with her (sigma, ram, and orisa make up the rest of my tank pool), but every time I start to carry on her, out comes Zar, Sym, Illiari, and Moira in succession. I've played enough to know when I can be stubborn and when I have to switch, but it sucks when I can clearly outplay the swappers, but the team doesn't see that and just complains to counter swap. Thankfully the more I climb, the more I find teammates who can capitalize on pushes and kills, but the "oh no their tank is decent, better swap to every counter in the game" mentality is absolutely braindead. And I'm not immune either. If my team is having a hard time with a hog when I'm on support, I go ana and it works 90% of the time
Why did they add the scoreboard.
Then wonder why in OW2, people flame over it? WHAT????
4:50 why? See, what if i just picked a hero someone deems underpowered and they decide to throw and now the game's lost and you can't do anything about it?
"5-10% of lower ranks wrecking ball games are lost because the team is mad the tank picked Ball" honestly this might be closer to 15% and goes at least up to Plat
I quit cause tanking sucks and they butchered ranked. I had 2k hours in OW1 ranked, masters player, and I'm telling you OW2 ranked is not real. They need to ACTUALLY reset ranks and mmr fully if they want to fix it, but there's just crazy skill gaps all over the place, so much that I recorded why I lost games and found that 76% of my losses were unwinnable games due to severely imbalanced matchmaking, trolls, throwers whatever. That unwinnable percentage was like 15% in OW1.
This is my favorite video you’ve made Spilo
One-tricking or people playing a character you don’t like is not valid to the reason why ow sucks that shit is lame asf to blame someone or split the community up like the people who counter swap every team-fight are better or make the game better its FREE to swap Imo one-tricking is cool they actually have to adapt and the win won’t be a crutch swap win at all even with counters/map advantages people spend time/money on whoever they enjoy I don’t wanna counter-swap every match because it is BORING!!
This more or less, all the toxicity you see in games like these is because people take these games far too seriously and instead of enjoying them they get sweaty about it, people can say its a fault of the game or blizzard or whatever for not """fixing""" this but the issue is with the people and their mentality, nothing to do with the game, just let people play whatever character they want and move on.
When I play tank I turn all chat off makes the role so much more fun 😂
Why would i play this game and not have fun when i can play Doom 2016 or Zelda TOTK and have fun? Until overwatch can answer that question im good
Matchmaking makes it unplayable
For the record Spilo playing rust is something the world needs
I hit masters as a ball 1 trick around the time every streamer was calling ball the worst character in the game.
The feeling of finally hitting masters on him was amazing.
23:42 interesting, I personally find myself 'swapping' on Tank from my own accord 80% of the time, mostly because I am feeling terrible in the Tank role vs. certain compositions.
Like if I'm playing Doom and the enemy team goes Sombra, Cass, Orisa... 9 times out of 10 I am probably going to swap first BEFORE my team says anything. I feel the pain first.
Perhaps in other roles (like DPS) you get asked to swap more. I think the most common is probably people asking to switch to Hitscan vs. Pharah.
Winning may not be good enough incentive, maybe.
But constant loosing is enough of a deterrent.
Also, feeling forced to experiment doesn't feel good. Feeling confident to experiment feels good, and that requires every hero to be good and fun to play. Not just three same ones that keep rotating around. Except one of them doesn't even feel good to play, it just works well enough to be worth running
Shill = people who knowingly pull their punches (criticism) because they are scared of losing all the goodies and freebies that come from Blizzard. I wouldnt call Esskay a shill, but shes forsure one of those people who will wont criticize a game until us (the fans and players) have established a beachhead like in Normandy and have made clear that its safe to land (criticize)
Eskay Isn't a she for a start, it's a dude.
16:32 why...why do you think they people at blizzard who keep making these maps and keep making these heroes and these bad decisions, why do you think it will EVER change unless they clean house over there??
This game should be legit deleted off the face of the earth
the game feels so shit idk... I only play dps since launch, Idk if it has anything to do with the role, but I dont think so... Winning feels shit, loosing feels shittier