Very sorry- I cut out part of the quote at 0:47, the paragraph begins with "After thorough examination and discussions with the team, we have decided to re-evaluate Seasons 2.0" before I jump in. Apologies if it sounded odd or jarring!
Yes like NASA "re-evaluated" the problems on Starliner and then just launched the broke thing anyway. They ain't removing seasonal characters, Mark my words.
Right.... Because it's mostly done and now they have to go back and re-code half the update, that couldn't possibly cause any bugs. And btw they definitely did not say it's not happening.
It wouldn't be so bad if the seasonal characters were "optional", not mandatory for players to be involved in. They need to make it flexible for players to have a comfortable selection. ✨✨
@TheTiltblazin My thought as to why having it be optional wouldn't work is that that would divide matchmaking pools and the playerbase too greatly. If people are split 50/50 between the Seasonal and Main realms, then it could become much harder to find consistent groups for PVP or higher-end PVE content
Well artifacts in Destiny have shown us that it can give variety. I would like a new gear piece called "Classified" which is a new isac brick that connects all networks. It would be levelled up every season increasing damage and armor. But also the ability to have mods placed inside it, plus one exotic talent that is different each season.
@RogueGold that was always going to be the case that matching would suffer. Don't you remember the rebuttals that "our mains aren't being taken away" (and you don't lose your stuff) and we could always go back and do whatever on them (divorced from the seasonal pool and segegrated away), vs just wait until the very end of the long season to do anything relevant with the new gear. This little bit of gaslighting was technically correct but missed the forrest for the trees. "You can pick any color you want, as long as it's black!" 🙄 That was always the issue with seasons, mandatory or otherwise.
Yeah. The community took a quick win to get what they want right now while screwing themselves and the game in the long term. Too many people put their immediate wants over the long term health of the game. It's the same people who complained about seasonal wipes who will be complaining how short content is because of power housing their way through the manhunt missions. Seasons 2.0 has been in development for over two years and the community should've put some trust into the dev team with these re-works. Now we actually have nothing to look forward to with the game. Just the same old seasonal content we have be plowing through the past 4 years.
This is incredible news. Now take all the time, money, and other resources that would have gone to Seasonal Characters and use that for new content like game modes, raids, paid DLC, missions, etc.
People fail to understand that new missions render very little re-playability. We're going into new missions and DLCs with the same maxed out, overpowered builds which removes any challenge the missions have to offer.
Probably a good idea. Telling your player base that their six-year-old character is useless 80% of the time from now on, probably not the best thing to do. NAU seasonal characters? No man’s sky did something like that. What they did was every season or couple of months they had a special activity. It was usually about, oh, anywhere from 3 to 6 hours. Maybe more. You started as a brand new character and you ran this whole story mission. At the end you got new gear, a new ship, all kinds of great stuff and it immediately transfers to your main character. And you just had a fun time doing something completely different. Then you go back to your main character with all the cool swag
@@dylanmelotti4301 Wiping would only make me leave the game for good, not everyone wants to start anew regularly, some, like me, wants their character to have the best of the best, heck i'm not pouring 1K hours on another character
@@aaronkeener3389 and once players like you max out their characters, you'll be complaining that there isn't anything left to do and stop playing anyway just like how many players do now. The Division 2 has averaged 1.5k daily players for the past 3 years. It's obvious the current seasonal model isn't working nor is that appealing to players to keep playing. People who are arguing against seasonal characters aren't thinking ahead and how the game will be in other year from now with the current seasonal model. Seasons 2.0 was designed to extend the game's life up until the release of The Division 3. With the cancellation of seasonal characters we have absolutely nothing new to look forward to.
I'm glad they decided not to do the seasonal characters, but I will admit, I was ready to give it a shot. Only because whenever I start a new character in WONY for SHD, I have tons of fun. I don't have to worry much about builds or what guns to use, I just run and gun having fun. The whole experience reminds me of when I first played div2 and why I even like this game so much. But like I said, I'm glad I can use my character with almost 4k hours of grinding, but I was starting to get a little optimistic about the change. I'm super curious about what they have in store for us now
plot twist - the seasonal characters were an Aron Keener minion, and we were going to get to play a division verse story from a rogue agent's perspective . . . and now we get to run grand Washington hotel backwards instead😖
Definately positive that they reconsidered their decision. The open topic is whether the upcoming seasons contain any new playable content. The seasons since the very first were nothing else than replaying content from the campaign, except some changes to (invaded) missions for some final manhunt battles and even these were of gameplay quality that I never want to replay one of these manhunt battles.
I’m with you, Rogue. It worries me. The seasonal characters were, for good or ill, part of a vision for the game. I hope they can adjust the method without losing the vision. A game that’s too beholden to “the crowd” loses vision and becomes static and stagnant. I think Div2 could really benefit from a shake-up. Hopefully they can still achieve it without giving players the feeling that their time spent with their mains has lost value.
From what I've gathered from community feedback, it seems that many people don't fully understand how the new Season 2.0 works. A lot of the opposition is based on the misconception that they won't be able to use their main character, which isn't true. A clear presentation or a Public Test Server (PTS) from the development team would help clarify how everything functions, allowing the community to make a more informed decision. Personally, I would be excited to try it out. If it didn't suit my taste, I could still enjoy the manhunt for a few hours each week and then roam around DC with my main character. This would definitely be better than having no new content until the 2025 DLC. I believe making the seasonal character optional would be a wiser decision. It would ensure that the developers' hard work and passion aren't wasted while giving players the flexibility to choose how they want to experience the game.
I agree with what you stated. I didn't see a single clear presentation on 2.0 and it would have benefited most of the players. I, too, was looking forward to seasonal characters. I mean, it was something different and interesting to see our skill vs. builds during game play. At any rate, we will see what comes.
I just really want the devs to implement a way to play/replay previous seasons. Allowing newer players who didn’t get the chance to experience those seasons, to then have the opportunity to play them. It would be an aspect I would like to see, but not the main point of Seasons 2.0. Just something they add with it for quality of life. Because personally I would love to experience the first couple of seasons the game offered. Collecting all of the apparel, craftable items, and other seasonal rewards.
You can except for the season pass rewards, unless that's what you meant, was the battle pass rewards but then you can just get them normally now. It's in one of the tabs when you bring up your map.
@@saintanubis6177 I already know about this, problem is it only lets you play the manhunts. You can’t access any of the previous season rewards like cosmetics and craftable gear from said season.
1st just amazed to just how much they actually listen to the community, one of the game franchises ( that i know of) that actually keeps the community opinion in mind. 2nd i wasn't the biggest fan of the idea but still wanted to see what they had in mind and at least play it for one season then go from there. But wow, really thought we'd have to play it before they did this but will it create more bugs? Anyway thanks for this monumental update.
If people are looking for the game to be exciting again there's always Hardcore Mode. I just hit level 40 on my first Hardcore character, no exotics, no perfectly rolled gear, earning points for the specializations while trying to get a build together...I have the global settings on challenging and it's pretty fun.
The thing I’m disappointed about is the possibility of having seasonal loot pools. Say for instance, strikers won’t be in the loot pool for a season. It sounds fun to me to find new metas by taking out pieces of gear. And racing to the worlds first dark hours clear each season sounds awesome
100% Happy they are doing this however I do see how someone of late game status like yourself were excited for this, but I will still die on my hill on the fact that this was to late for them to do. Maybe Div 3 could implement this but when a game as certain set in stone style and then suddenly makes a change that though they claim is not mandatory but actually is, thats where you lose me. They claimed that the new seasons needed this seasonal character to experience it from the get go, or wait for the last 2 weeks to burn through the content with your main. Im sorry but that is no where near enough time for players who dont have alot of time to game. Starting over even with a boost is not appealing for those who work late and only get a short time to game. What they should have done is make it optional for the players. Provide incentive for them to do the seasonal character. Like if you run the season with a seasonal agent you get better drop chances, better stat rolls, and an exotic drop that only drops at first for seasonal agents. Then later this exotic drops for everyone to get. This way those who try the seasonal agents are rewarded for doing so allowing them to get better loot and an exotic only they have access till the time gate drops. "But they are using a new exotic that is op" Then go make a seasonal agent and get it. Those who do not wish to make a seasonal agent still get to experience the new seasons full experience and get normal loot drops. Once the time gate lifts the exotic drops for everyone. I feel like this would have been the best outcome for everyone however if they just remove it I'm happy. I been bouncing around between games and I love division but it was not making me wanting to play if i had to force a new agent to play the new season. I would have waiting till the last 2 weeks and played then, which was not ideal for enjoying the game but that would have been my plan.
well they re-assessing things so it could either mean it's still on table but with more polish (based on their idea of course) or they remove it completely. Honestly, i'm fine with either but there must a be a clear incentive for player to start seasonal characters as i always mentioned. oh and about that 'nothing that you can't get in 1 countdown' there is 1 thing actually, a HG backpack with weapon handling or CHC or CHD or any MR useable talent, headshot and vigilance. I tried crafting, summit, countdown, committing war crime against whoever hold the CP with HG target loot, nada. lemme know if you spot one
Great idea to implement in the neXt game. Currently I agree with not using the seasonal character system it's current state. As Year 6 is in full swimg with 6 years invested in a main character it does seem like the right direction to go in... too late to reinvent in a semi restart of a new character. Hoping the Devs have the opportunity/chance at rethinking other alternatives or make adjustments going forward that are less extreme toward the main character experience. Rethink, retool, and rework DPS Vs Survivability in some other ways. Maybe in vein of prestiging a max level character and restarting with the full access but all the weapons/gear/skills have to be unlocked in a different way that is not just level or mode driven. If the idea of a seasonal character could be use in this way would reinvigorate a soft restart without fully investing in a different character. Make it mandatory level 01 - 30 as expected to learn all game elements and modes will need to be completed and a small certain percentage of named weapons/gear/skills wiill be available once level 30 is reached. Followed by DLC content like Warlords of New York has it's own specialty products/skills as you progress but no named until the agent watch is completed to unlock. Since WoNY the I have been staring at the layout on agent watch. When looking at it looks like a second level to all perks can be speced becuase only half the bar space is used. This could continuing with level 30 - 40 is a mandatory seasonal evemts and modes to revisit for named products and remaining skills to unlock through progression for everything going forward. Making all enemies AI tougher more Tactical depending on organization tree and location. Hope this makes since.
Same idea just a different view/take on how it could be remained. Similar to the way Operations IH/DH and Decent have specifc only items. WoNY would have it's own exclusives tied to it. If you do not have the DLC you do not get the item unless you grind and get lucky with the loot drop.
I am happy, not only for the loss of seasonal characters but also that they have listened to the playerbase. Only a few vids ago Rogue was talking about the need for more communication between the devs and players, hopefully this is the first step along this road. I am also curious about what this means for the creative vision and storyline changes coming up due to this, but we will probably never know what we have lost with this change.
Obviously this is a good first step. It’s also obvious that they don’t have a plan b. It’s gonna take them some time to figure out WTF they’re going to do. Faint hope at this point, I’ll stick around and work the Keener trials season and see what they cook up. Could still be that I decide to move on from this game but for now I’m willing to wait and see.
I'm glad they have communicated this, and that they have listened to the feedback. Hopefully not too much time and effort will have been wasted. Now they can concentrate on new content and bug fixes. Really appreciate their message to us all.
I hope people remember this stuff when they insist that the devs don't care, or don't listen. They discarded a considerable plan that they had already invested time and money in, because they were ASKED TO. It should give pause to anyone who immediately blame devs for the woes of not getting everything they want, all the time. Nothing is perfect, and I do personally think they are doing the best they can, and better than some dev teams out there currently.
The problem is they keep having all this new stuff and even a new game everyone waited and was hyped for years. Then back to square one nothing to do in this game/franchise, getting Anthem vibes and hope i'm wrong. An incredible mess this is, whoever is making decisions changing them around halfway through or worse towards the end just means they don't know what they're doing.
Well when they’re faced with tanking their entire game it kind of forces them to care. TD2 is a good game and I’ve been playing it for years. That said, it’s niche. It doesn’t enjoy widespread popularity. It has a smaller but devoted community. They simply couldn’t afford to alienate 90+% of their community with a feature they despised. It’s also an older game and showing its age. It’s not simply going to replace an older devoted audience with brand new fans.
@@buringairline maybe they are doing their best. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are good at what they’re doing. This isn’t some indy dev, this is a major AAA publisher and they’re judged accordingly. Some of the stuff they do is straight up bush league nonsense and criticism of that is absolutely warranted. I’m truly glad to hear that they are backing off of seasonal characters and for now I’m willing to stick around and see what they do next. However that doesn’t change the fact that the game simply isn’t in a good state right now and it’s pretty clear they don’t really know what they’re going to do.
This is a perfect example of the value of a relationship with the community. If they had presented their intentions with seasonal characters and asked for feedback they A. Possibly would have sold some of us on their ideas and received buy in. B. Wouldn't have invest so much time and resources into the idea. By "announing" the change in what looked to be a hastily thrown together video it only created more questions and animosity that along with a rough month of bugs and now we will never get to see what the real intentions of 2.0 were. I'm happy they listened, and I hope they realize the bigger issue is their relationship with the community. Thank RogueGold you're a beast, I appreciate your content.
That's great news! They need to just focus on creating new content. Expanding and connecting the map in NYC and Brooklyn. Giving us realtime PVE/PVP team ups like in Destiny, like in their original 2013 trailer. Give us what we never got. Or even a special mission to Heartland. Something new...
@RogueGold hypothetically with the 50/50 let's say Ubisoft went ahead and put it out as they originally intended. What is a worse scenario? Scenario A: % of the player base gets split in matchmaking WITH the change they make causing community to create seasonal characters starting over. And a % of the community stops playing the game leading to a smaller player base overall. Scenario B: % of the player base gets split in matchmaking WITH the freedom to play seasons with our main characters and the game doesnt lose players bc ubisoft rolled back the decision.
Sad that they failed miserably in the communications of the seasonal character concept to begin with. Very glad they are listening to the player base. This couldn't have been an easy decision for them. However, I am looking forward to seeing what the devs can do with this decision.
First, thanks. Another great video. I have been on the side of wait and see for Seasonal Characters. Your thoughts on it have helped. I am normally one that plays just my main character. I find even "watch mule" stuff too much of a grind usually. I did read the Ubisoft/Div 2 release a bit differently. I read the part about progress and re-evaluating to mean they would do Seasonal Characters but relook at how progress in the game (i.e. new loot, etc) was locked or tied to it. In other words, see if a person could not do a Seasonal character but still get loot, etc via their main character. Your video has made me wonder if I misread it or not. I do look forward to more from the Devs. Either way I am glad they released this. Hopefully it helps. Thanks again.
It's certainly worth waiting until we get those further details to confirm, but the way I read it is that when they say "with the goal of progressing without them," that means progressing through development without them, meaning removing them.
I expect they will find away to strip power off our mains to effectively make them like the original seasonal character idea. It could be something as simple as "oh my you lost your memory in an accident & now you have to retrain" I am sure they will do something more nuanced but we will have to wait & see I guess
Was looking forward to returning to the game with new content and a fresh start. I'm sure I am not the only one that feels this way. However, it is good business to give the people what they want....
All Massive had to do, was just remove the mandatory use of a Seasonal Character from the story bits. Was looking forward to what they could do with modifiers and gear when not being tied to the legacy systems and balance.
I was gonna try the seasonal characters, but I can see why they rolled it back due to the community feedback and its something they can't gamble with at this point it seems. That's the impression I have with this news. Still hoping for a bigger storage... Like 700 items instead of the tiny 300 items. There's alot of gear/weapons in the game we have all collected for our builds and there's been no improvement made for the storage system of them. That's my biggest issue with the game at this time.
I get where you are coming from with respect to chasing loot. My new HC guy building his inventory from the ground up (save named items I can craft from my Descent blueprints). But worrying about permadeath is always in the back of my mind.
Yeah I’m one that was looking forward to seasonal characters and how it would’ve been implemented. If it’s just going back to the normal season model then I’ll probably move on until news of the DLC is released.
Fully automatic ACS Scorpio? 7 billion RPM Ouroboros with 120 round mag? Hip fire and everything on the map dies St. Elmo's? X-Ray Nemesis MMR with armor piercing rounds and 9,000% amplified damage? The possibilities are endless
@@touchstonejean2877 they should hire you ngl I just need some fun exotics like I know it's for balancing purposes but WTF makes them even exotic at that point like give me an exotic smg I can use with my full shield or smth bruh
Honestly, I was looking forward to something new versus the same repetitive grind every season represents. Nonetheless, it is impressive the development team has decided to walk back their original decision around seasonal characters. Hopefully, the devs can find inspiration to change up the seasonal content and make it a more interesting and engaging experience.
This seasons character update for year 6 was a good change for them not to go throught with it I like to play one character and work on that one character I do in Diablo4 and world of warcraft and borderlands Great video as always keep up the great work ain't no reset for the wicked
Wow that's actually great news. I honestly didn't think they would listen. Can you give me some tips on your build ? You seem to do a lot of damage with your 1886. I don't usually do rifle builds but this one seems cool.
It's an updated version of my Hotshot/Determined build that I'll link at the end of this. Everything is the same as showed in the video- only differences are I have 2 pieces of Habsburg Guard for the chestpiece/backpack (same stat rolls and talents as before), and I have an SR-1 as my marksman rifle instead of the White Death 👉 th-cam.com/video/pGSQRYjPVGQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vbcpN52IVlwpsVM1
Well then we shouldn't be hearing any whining and complaining about the game being too stale, too easy, etc. Because the first person I hear saying that I'm going to remind them of this and how they were bitching about the change but didn't come up with a solution to make D2 more engaging
Well, as some have commented, they did NOT say they were gonna get rid of seasonal characters. They’re gonna think about it. But either way, it’s a perfect excuse to delay Y6S2 into 2025
I was really looking forward to something new, ANYTHING new in this game. Needed that storage space too. Who knows what Seasons 2.0 will be now... probably a buggy mess, delayed or the same thing we been doing for the past 5 years.
Shoutout to the crybabies who complained before we even gotten to try the changes; they just single handily killed the future of The Division 2. Seasonal wipes was going to bring life back into the game and was the only reason I was looking to start playing again. Once you reach max gear, the current game model gets boring. This is the same reason we never got to play the Ghost Recon Battle Royal because people complained about it before we even got to try a beta.
Good. Glad they didn’t just hear what we said, but actually listened. For the 7 people who actually wanted the season characters, they can create a new character and start from scratch during a new season. It’s a win-win, all of us get to play the seasons how we want - at least for now.
it doesn't say that they are scrapping seasonal characters. After all the negative feedback,, it was suggested that you could do the season with your main character or a seasonal character
Well, sad to say im a bit disappointed in the devs decision to walk it back. There was definitely something appealing to me about doing the leveling process again. But ill see what they're still going to do for seasons 2.0. But it might be where the game is at now for me where i only play the first week (maxing out the bp), the week of the apparel event, and the last week (playing through the whole seasonal story at once).
I can't say I'm happy because I was willing to give it a fair shake,. But as I've said before, their track record tells me they will very likely screw up putting something like that in the game. I think the biggest issue really is limiting normal characters from story/manhunt content. That being said, I am happy that "most" people are appeased by this revision. Let us see how the cookie crumbles. Happiness or return to boredom?
Both. Because they elected for the status quo. So they are happy that it's being removed but then will whine and complain about D2 being too easy, it's stale, so on, and so on. I truthfully do not want to hear any crying about lack of content. it's not engaging, etc
Make the seasonal OPTIINAL, and give GREAT rewards for the people who CHOOSE to do them. I don't know if that would be a perfect solution, but it would be WAY better than forcing everyone into doing them. For me, I HATED the idea of seasonal characters this late in the games live, and being forced to do them would be the nail in the coffin for me. I'm very happy that they reversed their idea.
thank god, this isn't the game for seasonal characters nor is it during the 6th year of life. Even in future divisions i still don't think it's the type of game for seasonal characters. Imagine them doing this in destiny or any game that isn't an Arpg it's actually ludacris.
I am glad they listened, but i for my self was neither opposed nor for the change due to the lack of information we got. I hoped we could have gotten at least a in depth gameplay reveal or a pts before making any decision. I am now worried that season 2 will feel empty and unfinished. But if they can switch everything planned for seasonal characters to the main character, that would be great.
Them listening to the whiners just killed their own game. Now we get to keep doing the same f&%king sh*t we have been doing the past 5 years. Congrats on the L.
@@kcidermanstuff3385 Same I am SHD 5.8k and was looking forward to seasonal characters. Haven't really been playing The Division 2 for quite a few months even though, it's my favorite game.
@dylanmelotti4301 it's pointless coming to the game at this unless an expansion .. I was looking forward to Hartland but they shelve that to for a money grab in Xdefiant!!
Thank god! Now I can go back to giving the devs money and buying outfits from the store. I love this game and this is great news!!! Thanks RG! Keep doing what you do! You deserve all the success that comes your way!
"Re-Evaluate... with the goal of." Lets keep up the pressure. This language leaves the option for whichever devs had the office power to push the seasonal character idea to push it back in if the community decides to sleep.
Being relatively new to the game, I wasn't sweating this change but I know A LOT of people who were walking away from the game and disheartened by it, a lot of mid range players who were just breaking 1000 on their watches and interested in high-end content and play and they felt this was a huge slap in the face. I think the lack of activity with the main character; versus maybe episodic content with a seasonal character over multiple seasons; was the point that has angered most people.
I know a lot of agents were not happy with these changes. I was willing to give it a shot. But putting out changes people actually want should be the goal. I'm glad they made this change for the community.
I’m happy they listened to us. But I also think they did not cause we were unhappy but because of all the bugs they were probably causing because of the change and we will probably have to deal with this problem in division 3 whenever that comes out
Definitely wasnt expecting this, however, I'm glad they listened. That being said, i kinda agree with Rogue. It woulda been nice to play the game without our high level characters, even for a little while.
Well, thank u D2 community for crying out loud, we might miss best innovation in this game for a long time. Keep grinding, for no reason (because all of u already have everything). Thank you for the bad news (unfortunately).
First and foremost i have to say the dev team for the division is great, they ALWAYS listen to the community. And now while part of me is happy about no seasonal characters, now i patiently wait to see whats coming next.
I for one was excited for seasonal characters. I had played Division 2 on and off during launch, but took time off for last 2 years. Jumping in now just seems like there is so much to do that I would almost rather start fresh on a new season.
What they should be doing is re working gear sets and weapons so everything is viable. True endgame should be legendary missions, raids, incursions,and the dark zone with good rewards instead of useless gear and weapons.
Maybe they can add legendary to the world map for those who would like to change their maps difficulties from heroic to legendary and hit control points or convoys or whatever they feel like doing on legendary
They stated in the previous livestream they did that that's not something they plan to do or have the capacity to pull off, as Legendary content is something that they do hand-crafted, in terms of enemy wave sizes/timing/composition. It's unfortunately not just a switch they can flip to turn that setting on.
Praise the lawd I honestly didn't see this happening. Figured the seasonal characters were some mandate from Ubi corporate that they couldn't do anything about
I was looking forward to this tbh, because i feel like i have been left behind and don't feel like i have enough time to be able to keep up with builds for raids and such. I was hoping 2.0 would change that.
In case you haven't played it, the Countdown mode can get you the majority of loot/builds you want in a pretty short amount of time 👉 th-cam.com/video/DTtg5xQqlZE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qOrec5ynnqk44vQm
i recently came back to the game again a few months and was having a blast but when the seasonal characters thing got announced i just dipped, so im very glad i can play the game again, excellent news honestly, good job man even when not playing the game i still check out the vids to see whats happening and glad i did
I wonder if there was a huge drop in players since the Seasonal news announcement thus causing this reaction from the Devs. Personally Seasonal character would be a fine addition to DIV3 from the very start, trying to do this on DIV2 when its clearly on its last leg and with bugs & glitches that still havent been addressed is just not the right move. I wonder if now Season 2.0 will get a huge delay.
The quote specifically says that their plan is to move forward without them, but I agree it'll be important to see the full scope of what's changed in that livestream/PTS 👍
i'm not surprised it was removed this is just my speculation but i think the reason it was set up for season 2 and not season 1 is because they knew there could be a chance the community wasn't going to be happy about seasonal characters and it would give them time to reevaluate their decision to add that thank god when the community unites gg fellas
I actually think that beacause of the removal in the long rum it will be even worse, there is no way they can keep up with the current power creep... with maxed builds the most difficult content is just to easy and I can't understand why you would want to play in the long run. Every new season I play for a week to get the 100 season levels and I'm done. Every few weeks the new manhunt and that's it... Seasonal characters would have been good for the game, to bad a lot of people don't seem to get that idea and just want to blast through everything in the shortest amount of time
"Nothing i'm chasing loot wise" Thats probably because the loot thats being added is mediocre and on the edge of not being half as useful as anything we already have in our collection
Well, it's has to be mediocre or the playerbase will start complaining about even more power creep, and if Massive fixes that, then the playerbase will complain about being nerfed and how all that time was wasted grinding for now nerfed gear.
@SpiNinGRecOrds I mostly disagree, though of course interesting and worthwhile loot is always a factor. I think it largely comes down to the loot system that we have in the game, as well as how new items are implemented into the game. Under Gear 2.0, it's *very* easy to get a copy of the majority of gear, with the rolls you want. Easier than any previous gear system in the franchise. And then once you have that roll, there's no incentive to farm a better version, since you can optimize the rolls anyway. Additionally, new items aren't placed behind any kind of interesting or longer-term objectives. They're on the Season Pass- which can be completed in a handful of hours, but they're also immediately placed into the General Loot Pool, meaning you can jump into Countdown and earn several copies of the new Gear/Brand set in under an hour. I don't realistically think that those two things will be solved anytime soon, and so the idea of re-rolling progression each Season at least meant that the climb to build up an arsenal for PVP, and higher-end PVE content, would last for the majority of a Season's duration.
@@RogueGold The problem with resetting people every season would mean that every bit of effort put in would be invalidated as soon as the next season goes live, so at most, you'll take a month to get an optimal loadout you're happy with and the rest you do whatever. If the system was put in place at the beginning or over a long period of time, maybe it would work, but right now with some people putting in thouhsands of hours into one character, maxing out their builds, its not a good change. I do agree that the loot being available in the battle pass is dumb, instead i'd prefer to have more skins or cosmetics, when was the last time we got a good emote? But still, even if they would fix that issue by taking the sets out and making them earnable via specific seasonal vendors where you'd earn rep by doing bounties or activities much like projects, it would still not fix the mediocrity of the loot being added...
They should still do it but integrate heartland since that's no longer in the works. So the "seasonal character" is located in silver creek and is a seasoned veteran sent to stop keener's crew member Hopkins from stealing valuable information they were looking for. Based on the new coms (#57) we know keeners associates were successful which means we weren't able to get there in time cause Hopkins says the base was empty, but the seasonal character was able to dig a little deeper into what happened to the four dead division agents. He also finds new skills and gear sets some of which aren't complete yet so he has to search around silver creek for these missing items and airlift them to our main characters in D.C. in hopes we can use them to get an edge against keener.
I wish that were feasible, but with the limited team size and resources they have, everything is going into the new DLC right now. It would take a lot of work to implement Heartland into TD2 as it was built on a different engine version, with different tech, player count factoring, etc.
glad that they hear us...nonetheless...if D3 is years away D2 need content to bridge over. New missions/areas/raids/incursion/modes. Best regards from Germany 🇩🇪
I don’t have a problem with seasonal characters it would have created a challenge to your builds and new items could have been introduced with no effect on the normal game but now they are going to push everything back more
Not that I'm defending the seasonal character approach, there were definitely undeniable problems with the idea given how things have proceeded over the years. However, I'm not sure people should be outright celebrating seeing this idea just be walked back fully, as very likely, changes to how they're developing progression going forward had seasonal characters in mind, and by just REMOVING that, there will now be ripple effect problems. As opposed to changing the idea, loosening the restrictions, giving players reason to make them but not tying them to story or lore unlocks. Make it into a different way to play, which this game desperately needs, rather than just removing it. The same thing happened to Destiny when they tried to sunset weapons as a band-aid because some were overpowered...well, they ended up UNsunsetting them, and the problem is still rampant, just with new toys. They vaulted four whole PAID campaigns partially due to "install size," yet regardless of seasons still being removed periodically, the more expansions they add is just adding more install size BACK as a problem. It's good that Massive listened to the negativity and took action, but...my point is, if seasonal character progression was something baked into the new seasonal approach, removing that per feedback seems like a great thing, but it will likely mean even longer before a new BETTER seasonal approach is reached. That's what I'm getting at.
Devs are that out of touch they thought this would fly is IMO the real problem. Similar to the crap gear and phoned in filler manhunt of the past few seasons. Aegis and Mosquito reported to be the most used items ring any alarm bells?? Because it should if you play the game at all.
@@grumpyoldman6503 No no, I agree with you. I've said for years that Division is a better value than Destiny, for example, and the experiences are different enough. But watching how Division has been developed shows it's been chasing Destiny's model for a long time, without ever really forging their own path and doing things their way. The devs are busy trend chasing when they should be making Division/Division 2 unique offerings in the space. And the devs clearly don't quite know how to accomplish that. I think there's a timeline where seasonal characters could work in Division, but undeniably, the way they proposed is NOT the answer and, like you said, it shows how out of touch they are. Without a doubt.
I think that the Descent mode is where the player can start fresh and get a sense of progression. Fingers crossed they can still create an interesting season w/o seasonal characters 😅
Wow, I almost feel bad now lol. I know at least some people were looking forward to the seasonal system. I definitely wasn't one of them. Aside from Rogue himself, I never saw anything but negative feedback about it, but I know others had to be out there. So, it sucks for them. Hopefully what the devs do in place of that is good.
They could still follow the same theory just differently. Instead of forcing you to create a new character allow you to select an existing character that gets cloned per say, ramp down the watch points, levels or upgrades, lock your weapons, armor, stash away until you reach the end mission, then it opens your stash and weapons/armor and watch back to your levels to include all the perks you already own, from that point you now walking into the end mission with your loaded fully built character plus upgrades from seasonal content. This allows them to do cool and creative things with the seasonal content when your in the starting stage of your cloned character up until you reach the end mission. You can then restart the seasonal content with another character and buff that those as well. Seasonal content becomes a way to upgrade characters if you have 5 total existing characters you can theoretically upgrade them all by playing the seasonal content with each one. Lets say one season has boost to snipers you keep after completion of season, another has explosive, another has upgrades to skills, theoretically you can have these all on one character or play different characters you have and now you have characters build to have special traits that go beyond specializations making builds even more dynamic.
Personally that sounds interesting to me- but I fear that forcing people to lose their progression/power instead of the previous pitch of having Seasonal Characters be optional (albeit having exclusive story content available to them) would garner an even harsher reaction and backlash lol
@@RogueGold Their seasonal wipe model was perfect. We play on a seasonal character, but still have the opportunity to play on our mains later in the season. It's actually very disappointing they canned seasonal characters.
You currently have everything you stated in game already in play. You cant use anything in the stash until you hit lv 40 anyhow. your watch doesnt unlock until you kill keener and you cant add points until you initiate Roy's cutscene. I will say this: give your character ONE of your preset loadouts for that season. and all the rest of the presets is disabled including being able to retrieve it from the stash. That will give you the ability to use it at lv 40 and the entire season.
The coolest boss fight in the game right now is the marauder drone boss. I need more boss fights with giant mechs. Boss fight need to be epic, need to be monumental
Wow...I want to start off by saying that I was not a fan of the new seasonal characters when they first announced it and my opinion still has not changed about it in the slightest...but my reaction to this news is the same as it was back then: why not just make it optional?? I just don't understand why this was always an "all or nothing" type decision.
This is Terrible. This was gonna be such a refreshing Change. As someone who hasn't no lifed or only played one game for the past 6 years. I was so looking forward to this. Im SHD 800 and thus am in shitty tweener stage of the game. I hate that all they ever do is scale the enemies up in order deal with the minority of the player bases +25 weapon damage and armor levels from the expertise system. I feel like everyones gonna whine when they cant carry over there D2 Chad to D3 🙇
Very sorry- I cut out part of the quote at 0:47, the paragraph begins with "After thorough examination and discussions with the team, we have decided to re-evaluate Seasons 2.0" before I jump in. Apologies if it sounded odd or jarring!
it’s all good goat
Triggered!
I have the same pov... adding extra character with 150 extra loot stash will bring enjoyment to everyone now...
Yes like NASA "re-evaluated" the problems on Starliner and then just launched the broke thing anyway. They ain't removing seasonal characters, Mark my words.
Your not allowed to make mistakes you must be perfect 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 js lol great video
They probably saved themselves at least 2000 new bugs by avoiding seasonal characters.
Bro, LMAO I literally thought the same thing 😂😂😂
Right.... Because it's mostly done and now they have to go back and re-code half the update, that couldn't possibly cause any bugs. And btw they definitely did not say it's not happening.
And thousands of players as well
You’re probably correct. Any additional content comes with high risk of additional bugs/glitches.
To be fair, 2000 more bugs may still crop up.
It wouldn't be so bad if the seasonal characters were "optional", not mandatory for players to be involved in. They need to make it flexible for players to have a comfortable selection. ✨✨
exactly. i wanted new seasonal characters for the reasons roguegold mentions toward the end. optional seems like the obvious solution.
@TheTiltblazin My thought as to why having it be optional wouldn't work is that that would divide matchmaking pools and the playerbase too greatly. If people are split 50/50 between the Seasonal and Main realms, then it could become much harder to find consistent groups for PVP or higher-end PVE content
Well artifacts in Destiny have shown us that it can give variety. I would like a new gear piece called "Classified" which is a new isac brick that connects all networks. It would be levelled up every season increasing damage and armor. But also the ability to have mods placed inside it, plus one exotic talent that is different each season.
@@RogueGoldOptional or not, the season character would still divide the matchmaking
@RogueGold that was always going to be the case that matching would suffer.
Don't you remember the rebuttals that "our mains aren't being taken away" (and you don't lose your stuff) and we could always go back and do whatever on them (divorced from the seasonal pool and segegrated away), vs just wait until the very end of the long season to do anything relevant with the new gear.
This little bit of gaslighting was technically correct but missed the forrest for the trees.
"You can pick any color you want, as long as it's black!" 🙄
That was always the issue with seasons, mandatory or otherwise.
Holy shit I didn’t actually think they’d remove the seasonal characters
Yeah. The community took a quick win to get what they want right now while screwing themselves and the game in the long term. Too many people put their immediate wants over the long term health of the game.
It's the same people who complained about seasonal wipes who will be complaining how short content is because of power housing their way through the manhunt missions.
Seasons 2.0 has been in development for over two years and the community should've put some trust into the dev team with these re-works. Now we actually have nothing to look forward to with the game. Just the same old seasonal content we have be plowing through the past 4 years.
This is incredible news. Now take all the time, money, and other resources that would have gone to Seasonal Characters and use that for new content like game modes, raids, paid DLC, missions, etc.
People fail to understand that new missions render very little re-playability. We're going into new missions and DLCs with the same maxed out, overpowered builds which removes any challenge the missions have to offer.
@@dylanmelotti4301and in 2 days after weve maxed out our new seasonal characters we will be in the same boat but with nothing new.
I was bummed at the cancelation of the seasonal character.
Probably a good idea. Telling your player base that their six-year-old character is useless 80% of the time from now on, probably not the best thing to do. NAU seasonal characters? No man’s sky did something like that. What they did was every season or couple of months they had a special activity. It was usually about, oh, anywhere from 3 to 6 hours. Maybe more. You started as a brand new character and you ran this whole story mission. At the end you got new gear, a new ship, all kinds of great stuff and it immediately transfers to your main character. And you just had a fun time doing something completely different. Then you go back to your main character with all the cool swag
This is why the game needs wipes, we have been grinding the same character for half a decade.
Seasonal characters o lyrics work if there is new content..the one thing this game lacks( and by content I mean new levels etc,etc.
@@dylanmelotti4301 Wiping would only make me leave the game for good, not everyone wants to start anew regularly, some, like me, wants their character to have the best of the best, heck i'm not pouring 1K hours on another character
@@aaronkeener3389 Most people stop playing after they max out their builds anyway because there is nothing left that keeps players engaged.
@@aaronkeener3389 and once players like you max out their characters, you'll be complaining that there isn't anything left to do and stop playing anyway just like how many players do now.
The Division 2 has averaged 1.5k daily players for the past 3 years. It's obvious the current seasonal model isn't working nor is that appealing to players to keep playing.
People who are arguing against seasonal characters aren't thinking ahead and how the game will be in other year from now with the current seasonal model.
Seasons 2.0 was designed to extend the game's life up until the release of The Division 3. With the cancellation of seasonal characters we have absolutely nothing new to look forward to.
I'm glad they decided not to do the seasonal characters, but I will admit, I was ready to give it a shot. Only because whenever I start a new character in WONY for SHD, I have tons of fun. I don't have to worry much about builds or what guns to use, I just run and gun having fun. The whole experience reminds me of when I first played div2 and why I even like this game so much.
But like I said, I'm glad I can use my character with almost 4k hours of grinding, but I was starting to get a little optimistic about the change.
I'm super curious about what they have in store for us now
Exactly. Well said
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plot twist - the seasonal characters were an Aron Keener minion, and we were going to get to play a division verse story from a rogue agent's perspective . . . and now we get to run grand Washington hotel backwards instead😖
@@Pacoaznable LMAO 🤣
Definately positive that they reconsidered their decision.
The open topic is whether the upcoming seasons contain any new playable content. The seasons since the very first were nothing else than replaying content from the campaign, except some changes to (invaded) missions for some final manhunt battles and even these were of gameplay quality that I never want to replay one of these manhunt battles.
I’m with you, Rogue. It worries me. The seasonal characters were, for good or ill, part of a vision for the game. I hope they can adjust the method without losing the vision. A game that’s too beholden to “the crowd” loses vision and becomes static and stagnant. I think Div2 could really benefit from a shake-up. Hopefully they can still achieve it without giving players the feeling that their time spent with their mains has lost value.
Another win for Community, I hope so.
Now, they should focus on fixing current bugs.
From what I've gathered from community feedback, it seems that many people don't fully understand how the new Season 2.0 works. A lot of the opposition is based on the misconception that they won't be able to use their main character, which isn't true. A clear presentation or a Public Test Server (PTS) from the development team would help clarify how everything functions, allowing the community to make a more informed decision.
Personally, I would be excited to try it out. If it didn't suit my taste, I could still enjoy the manhunt for a few hours each week and then roam around DC with my main character. This would definitely be better than having no new content until the 2025 DLC.
I believe making the seasonal character optional would be a wiser decision. It would ensure that the developers' hard work and passion aren't wasted while giving players the flexibility to choose how they want to experience the game.
I agree with what you stated.
I didn't see a single clear presentation on 2.0 and it would have benefited most of the players.
I, too, was looking forward to seasonal characters. I mean, it was something different and interesting to see our skill vs. builds during game play.
At any rate, we will see what comes.
I just really want the devs to implement a way to play/replay previous seasons. Allowing newer players who didn’t get the chance to experience those seasons, to then have the opportunity to play them.
It would be an aspect I would like to see, but not the main point of Seasons 2.0. Just something they add with it for quality of life.
Because personally I would love to experience the first couple of seasons the game offered. Collecting all of the apparel, craftable items, and other seasonal rewards.
You can except for the season pass rewards, unless that's what you meant, was the battle pass rewards but then you can just get them normally now. It's in one of the tabs when you bring up your map.
@@saintanubis6177 I already know about this, problem is it only lets you play the manhunts. You can’t access any of the previous season rewards like cosmetics and craftable gear from said season.
1st just amazed to just how much they actually listen to the community, one of the game franchises ( that i know of) that actually keeps the community opinion in mind. 2nd i wasn't the biggest fan of the idea but still wanted to see what they had in mind and at least play it for one season then go from there. But wow, really thought we'd have to play it before they did this but will it create more bugs? Anyway thanks for this monumental update.
👍👍
If people are looking for the game to be exciting again there's always Hardcore Mode. I just hit level 40 on my first Hardcore character, no exotics, no perfectly rolled gear, earning points for the specializations while trying to get a build together...I have the global settings on challenging and it's pretty fun.
The thing I’m disappointed about is the possibility of having seasonal loot pools. Say for instance, strikers won’t be in the loot pool for a season. It sounds fun to me to find new metas by taking out pieces of gear. And racing to the worlds first dark hours clear each season sounds awesome
Very Nice.
Also I still need the Bighorn 😅
This is great news ^_^ Now they can work on something the community would appreciate like... bug fixes!
@@zombiepiecesgaming5018 Yeah, bug fixes with the same old boring stuff.
100% Happy they are doing this however I do see how someone of late game status like yourself were excited for this, but I will still die on my hill on the fact that this was to late for them to do. Maybe Div 3 could implement this but when a game as certain set in stone style and then suddenly makes a change that though they claim is not mandatory but actually is, thats where you lose me. They claimed that the new seasons needed this seasonal character to experience it from the get go, or wait for the last 2 weeks to burn through the content with your main. Im sorry but that is no where near enough time for players who dont have alot of time to game. Starting over even with a boost is not appealing for those who work late and only get a short time to game.
What they should have done is make it optional for the players. Provide incentive for them to do the seasonal character. Like if you run the season with a seasonal agent you get better drop chances, better stat rolls, and an exotic drop that only drops at first for seasonal agents. Then later this exotic drops for everyone to get. This way those who try the seasonal agents are rewarded for doing so allowing them to get better loot and an exotic only they have access till the time gate drops. "But they are using a new exotic that is op" Then go make a seasonal agent and get it.
Those who do not wish to make a seasonal agent still get to experience the new seasons full experience and get normal loot drops. Once the time gate lifts the exotic drops for everyone. I feel like this would have been the best outcome for everyone however if they just remove it I'm happy. I been bouncing around between games and I love division but it was not making me wanting to play if i had to force a new agent to play the new season. I would have waiting till the last 2 weeks and played then, which was not ideal for enjoying the game but that would have been my plan.
not something i was expecting but REALLY glad they walked it back
And in the next season we will get people complaining about how the game is the exact same.
Well done to the Massive Dev's, this was an important issue to get right and we appreciate you listening to the player base.
well they re-assessing things so it could either mean it's still on table but with more polish (based on their idea of course) or they remove it completely. Honestly, i'm fine with either but there must a be a clear incentive for player to start seasonal characters as i always mentioned. oh and about that 'nothing that you can't get in 1 countdown' there is 1 thing actually, a HG backpack with weapon handling or CHC or CHD or any MR useable talent, headshot and vigilance. I tried crafting, summit, countdown, committing war crime against whoever hold the CP with HG target loot, nada. lemme know if you spot one
Great idea to implement in the neXt game. Currently I agree with not using the seasonal character system it's current state. As Year 6 is in full swimg with 6 years invested in a main character it does seem like the right direction to go in... too late to reinvent in a semi restart of a new character. Hoping the Devs have the opportunity/chance at rethinking other alternatives or make adjustments going forward that are less extreme toward the main character experience. Rethink, retool, and rework DPS Vs Survivability in some other ways. Maybe in vein of prestiging a max level character and restarting with the full access but all the weapons/gear/skills have to be unlocked in a different way that is not just level or mode driven. If the idea of a seasonal character could be use in this way would reinvigorate a soft restart without fully investing in a different character. Make it mandatory level 01 - 30 as expected to learn all game elements and modes will need to be completed and a small certain percentage of named weapons/gear/skills wiill be available once level 30 is reached. Followed by DLC content like Warlords of New York has it's own specialty products/skills as you progress but no named until the agent watch is completed to unlock. Since WoNY the I have been staring at the layout on agent watch. When looking at it looks like a second level to all perks can be speced becuase only half the bar space is used. This could continuing with level 30 - 40 is a mandatory seasonal evemts and modes to revisit for named products and remaining skills to unlock through progression for everything going forward. Making all enemies AI tougher more Tactical depending on organization tree and location. Hope this makes since.
Interesting take, however seasons are free to all and WONY is not.
Same idea just a different view/take on how it could be remained. Similar to the way Operations IH/DH and Decent have specifc only items. WoNY would have it's own exclusives tied to it. If you do not have the DLC you do not get the item unless you grind and get lucky with the loot drop.
I am happy, not only for the loss of seasonal characters but also that they have listened to the playerbase. Only a few vids ago Rogue was talking about the need for more communication between the devs and players, hopefully this is the first step along this road. I am also curious about what this means for the creative vision and storyline changes coming up due to this, but we will probably never know what we have lost with this change.
And kicked out new players that are going too work their arse off too reach any off uss who have been playing for a while!
it is a live service game. we lost, we gained. u actually wouldn't not believe what they could do.
its means they will be done doing anything new and will feed you the same crap. Good job whiners.
Nice work, Rogue. You and your fellow D2 content creators helped us, the community, voice our concerns. Glad the devs heard us - even that means a lot
Obviously this is a good first step. It’s also obvious that they don’t have a plan b. It’s gonna take them some time to figure out WTF they’re going to do.
Faint hope at this point, I’ll stick around and work the Keener trials season and see what they cook up.
Could still be that I decide to move on from this game but for now I’m willing to wait and see.
I'm glad they have communicated this, and that they have listened to the feedback.
Hopefully not too much time and effort will have been wasted.
Now they can concentrate on new content and bug fixes.
Really appreciate their message to us all.
I hope people remember this stuff when they insist that the devs don't care, or don't listen. They discarded a considerable plan that they had already invested time and money in, because they were ASKED TO. It should give pause to anyone who immediately blame devs for the woes of not getting everything they want, all the time. Nothing is perfect, and I do personally think they are doing the best they can, and better than some dev teams out there currently.
The problem is they keep having all this new stuff and even a new game everyone waited and was hyped for years. Then back to square one nothing to do in this game/franchise, getting Anthem vibes and hope i'm wrong. An incredible mess this is, whoever is making decisions changing them around halfway through or worse towards the end just means they don't know what they're doing.
Well when they’re faced with tanking their entire game it kind of forces them to care.
TD2 is a good game and I’ve been playing it for years. That said, it’s niche. It doesn’t enjoy widespread popularity. It has a smaller but devoted community. They simply couldn’t afford to alienate 90+% of their community with a feature they despised.
It’s also an older game and showing its age. It’s not simply going to replace an older devoted audience with brand new fans.
So they listen ONCE and that means we can't complain or point out flaws lol
@@buringairline maybe they are doing their best. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are good at what they’re doing. This isn’t some indy dev, this is a major AAA publisher and they’re judged accordingly.
Some of the stuff they do is straight up bush league nonsense and criticism of that is absolutely warranted.
I’m truly glad to hear that they are backing off of seasonal characters and for now I’m willing to stick around and see what they do next. However that doesn’t change the fact that the game simply isn’t in a good state right now and it’s pretty clear they don’t really know what they’re going to do.
I'm still waiting for the reload bug to be fixed 💀
I love that the Black Tusk gif went along with that read along.
This is a perfect example of the value of a relationship with the community. If they had presented their intentions with seasonal characters and asked for feedback they A. Possibly would have sold some of us on their ideas and received buy in. B. Wouldn't have invest so much time and resources into the idea. By "announing" the change in what looked to be a hastily thrown together video it only created more questions and animosity that along with a rough month of bugs and now we will never get to see what the real intentions of 2.0 were. I'm happy they listened, and I hope they realize the bigger issue is their relationship with the community. Thank RogueGold you're a beast, I appreciate your content.
🙏🙏 Thank you
Good it was bad excuse for uping playtime.
That's great news! They need to just focus on creating new content. Expanding and connecting the map in NYC and Brooklyn. Giving us realtime PVE/PVP team ups like in Destiny, like in their original 2013 trailer. Give us what we never got. Or even a special mission to Heartland. Something new...
@RogueGold hypothetically with the 50/50 let's say Ubisoft went ahead and put it out as they originally intended. What is a worse scenario?
Scenario A: % of the player base gets split in matchmaking WITH the change they make causing community to create seasonal characters starting over. And a % of the community stops playing the game leading to a smaller player base overall.
Scenario B: % of the player base gets split in matchmaking WITH the freedom to play seasons with our main characters and the game doesnt lose players bc ubisoft rolled back the decision.
Sad that they failed miserably in the communications of the seasonal character concept to begin with. Very glad they are listening to the player base. This couldn't have been an easy decision for them. However, I am looking forward to seeing what the devs can do with this decision.
First, thanks. Another great video. I have been on the side of wait and see for Seasonal Characters. Your thoughts on it have helped. I am normally one that plays just my main character. I find even "watch mule" stuff too much of a grind usually.
I did read the Ubisoft/Div 2 release a bit differently. I read the part about progress and re-evaluating to mean they would do Seasonal Characters but relook at how progress in the game (i.e. new loot, etc) was locked or tied to it. In other words, see if a person could not do a Seasonal character but still get loot, etc via their main character.
Your video has made me wonder if I misread it or not. I do look forward to more from the Devs. Either way I am glad they released this. Hopefully it helps. Thanks again.
It's certainly worth waiting until we get those further details to confirm, but the way I read it is that when they say "with the goal of progressing without them," that means progressing through development without them, meaning removing them.
I expect they will find away to strip power off our mains to effectively make them like the original seasonal character idea.
It could be something as simple as "oh my you lost your memory in an accident & now you have to retrain"
I am sure they will do something more nuanced but we will have to wait & see I guess
Was looking forward to returning to the game with new content and a fresh start. I'm sure I am not the only one that feels this way. However, it is good business to give the people what they want....
Same here. I was looking forward to character wipes. They still need to have seasonal characters, even if it's optional.
All Massive had to do, was just remove the mandatory use of a Seasonal Character from the story bits. Was looking forward to what they could do with modifiers and gear when not being tied to the legacy systems and balance.
I was gonna try the seasonal characters, but I can see why they rolled it back due to the community feedback and its something they can't gamble with at this point it seems. That's the impression I have with this news.
Still hoping for a bigger storage... Like 700 items instead of the tiny 300 items.
There's alot of gear/weapons in the game we have all collected for our builds and there's been no improvement made for the storage system of them.
That's my biggest issue with the game at this time.
I get where you are coming from with respect to chasing loot. My new HC guy building his inventory from the ground up (save named items I can craft from my Descent blueprints). But worrying about permadeath is always in the back of my mind.
Yeah I’m one that was looking forward to seasonal characters and how it would’ve been implemented. If it’s just going back to the normal season model then I’ll probably move on until news of the DLC is released.
Now hopefully we can change the upcoming exotics to be better
And maybe revamp spec weapons already
Fully automatic ACS Scorpio? 7 billion RPM Ouroboros with 120 round mag? Hip fire and everything on the map dies St. Elmo's? X-Ray Nemesis MMR with armor piercing rounds and 9,000% amplified damage? The possibilities are endless
@@touchstonejean2877 they should hire you ngl I just need some fun exotics
like I know it's for balancing purposes but WTF makes them even exotic at that point
like give me an exotic smg I can use with my full shield or smth bruh
Honestly, I was looking forward to something new versus the same repetitive grind every season represents. Nonetheless, it is impressive the development team has decided to walk back their original decision around seasonal characters. Hopefully, the devs can find inspiration to change up the seasonal content and make it a more interesting and engaging experience.
Agreed 👍
This seasons character update for year 6 was a good change for them not to go throught with it I like to play one character and work on that one character I do in Diablo4 and world of warcraft and borderlands
Great video as always keep up the great work ain't no reset for the wicked
👊 Appreciate it!
Wow that's actually great news. I honestly didn't think they would listen.
Can you give me some tips on your build ? You seem to do a lot of damage with your 1886. I don't usually do rifle builds but this one seems cool.
It's an updated version of my Hotshot/Determined build that I'll link at the end of this. Everything is the same as showed in the video- only differences are I have 2 pieces of Habsburg Guard for the chestpiece/backpack (same stat rolls and talents as before), and I have an SR-1 as my marksman rifle instead of the White Death 👉 th-cam.com/video/pGSQRYjPVGQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vbcpN52IVlwpsVM1
glad they reconsidered, takes some balls to admit it's not what the players want
So great... Seasons 2.0 is going to be literally the same thing we've been doing for years
Agreed, this will make the new seasons just like the previous. Blown opportunity. They caved.
Well then we shouldn't be hearing any whining and complaining about the game being too stale, too easy, etc. Because the first person I hear saying that I'm going to remind them of this and how they were bitching about the change but didn't come up with a solution to make D2 more engaging
Well, as some have commented, they did NOT say they were gonna get rid of seasonal characters. They’re gonna think about it. But either way, it’s a perfect excuse to delay Y6S2 into 2025
I was really looking forward to something new, ANYTHING new in this game. Needed that storage space too. Who knows what Seasons 2.0 will be now... probably a buggy mess, delayed or the same thing we been doing for the past 5 years.
Shoutout to the crybabies who complained before we even gotten to try the changes; they just single handily killed the future of The Division 2.
Seasonal wipes was going to bring life back into the game and was the only reason I was looking to start playing again. Once you reach max gear, the current game model gets boring.
This is the same reason we never got to play the Ghost Recon Battle Royal because people complained about it before we even got to try a beta.
Good. Glad they didn’t just hear what we said, but actually listened.
For the 7 people who actually wanted the season characters, they can create a new character and start from scratch during a new season. It’s a win-win, all of us get to play the seasons how we want - at least for now.
Yeah, I really love the storyline in the campaign. If you added more missions and more story and more depth to it boom I’d be happy.
it doesn't say that they are scrapping seasonal characters. After all the negative feedback,, it was suggested that you could do the season with your main character or a seasonal character
Well, sad to say im a bit disappointed in the devs decision to walk it back. There was definitely something appealing to me about doing the leveling process again. But ill see what they're still going to do for seasons 2.0. But it might be where the game is at now for me where i only play the first week (maxing out the bp), the week of the apparel event, and the last week (playing through the whole seasonal story at once).
Thank you RG for this update
Thanks for watching!
I can't say I'm happy because I was willing to give it a fair shake,. But as I've said before, their track record tells me they will very likely screw up putting something like that in the game. I think the biggest issue really is limiting normal characters from story/manhunt content. That being said, I am happy that "most" people are appeased by this revision. Let us see how the cookie crumbles. Happiness or return to boredom?
Both. Because they elected for the status quo. So they are happy that it's being removed but then will whine and complain about D2 being too easy, it's stale, so on, and so on. I truthfully do not want to hear any crying about lack of content. it's not engaging, etc
@@IvoryTaurean You got me 100%! More of the same then, lol.
The playerbase that so desperately fought against the Seasonal Toon will commence complaining about the lack of content.
Make the seasonal OPTIINAL, and give GREAT rewards for the people who CHOOSE to do them.
I don't know if that would be a perfect solution, but it would be WAY better than forcing everyone into doing them.
For me, I HATED the idea of seasonal characters this late in the games live, and being forced to do them would be the nail in the coffin for me.
I'm very happy that they reversed their idea.
thank god, this isn't the game for seasonal characters nor is it during the 6th year of life. Even in future divisions i still don't think it's the type of game for seasonal characters. Imagine them doing this in destiny or any game that isn't an Arpg it's actually ludacris.
I am glad they listened, but i for my self was neither opposed nor for the change due to the lack of information we got. I hoped we could have gotten at least a in depth gameplay reveal or a pts before making any decision. I am now worried that season 2 will feel empty and unfinished. But if they can switch everything planned for seasonal characters to the main character, that would be great.
I am so done with my main character .. I want the new seasonal characters, so it would've been worth coming back to the game
Them listening to the whiners just killed their own game. Now we get to keep doing the same f&%king sh*t we have been doing the past 5 years. Congrats on the L.
@@kcidermanstuff3385 Same I am SHD 5.8k and was looking forward to seasonal characters. Haven't really been playing The Division 2 for quite a few months even though, it's my favorite game.
@dylanmelotti4301 it's pointless coming to the game at this unless an expansion .. I was looking forward to Hartland but they shelve that to for a money grab in Xdefiant!!
@@kcidermanstuff3385 Heartlands was garbage anyway.
Dang. I’m with you Gold, I’m actually kind of disappointed about losing seasonal characters. At least having the option would have been cool.
I couldn't get to a bounty boss because I couldn't use the rappel in an elevator. Character would climb the elevator's roof instead of using the rope.
Thank god! Now I can go back to giving the devs money and buying outfits from the store. I love this game and this is great news!!! Thanks RG! Keep doing what you do! You deserve all the success that comes your way!
"Re-Evaluate... with the goal of." Lets keep up the pressure. This language leaves the option for whichever devs had the office power to push the seasonal character idea to push it back in if the community decides to sleep.
Being relatively new to the game, I wasn't sweating this change but I know A LOT of people who were walking away from the game and disheartened by it, a lot of mid range players who were just breaking 1000 on their watches and interested in high-end content and play and they felt this was a huge slap in the face. I think the lack of activity with the main character; versus maybe episodic content with a seasonal character over multiple seasons; was the point that has angered most people.
Normally they walk back changes if it benefits them financially... interesting what they will add to compensate for that being removed.
I know a lot of agents were not happy with these changes. I was willing to give it a shot. But putting out changes people actually want should be the goal. I'm glad they made this change for the community.
And we’re back!
I’m happy they listened to us. But I also think they did not cause we were unhappy but because of all the bugs they were probably causing because of the change and we will probably have to deal with this problem in division 3 whenever that comes out
Definitely wasnt expecting this, however, I'm glad they listened. That being said, i kinda agree with Rogue. It woulda been nice to play the game without our high level characters, even for a little while.
Well, thank u D2 community for crying out loud, we might miss best innovation in this game for a long time. Keep grinding, for no reason (because all of u already have everything). Thank you for the bad news (unfortunately).
I think most people that like this idea of seasonal characters are forgetting that you can just start a new fucking character.
First and foremost i have to say
the dev team for the division is great, they ALWAYS listen to the community. And now while part of me is happy about no seasonal characters, now i patiently wait to see whats coming next.
omg - that was unexpected. So happy with this decision!
I for one was excited for seasonal characters. I had played Division 2 on and off during launch, but took time off for last 2 years. Jumping in now just seems like there is so much to do that I would almost rather start fresh on a new season.
What they should be doing is re working gear sets and weapons so everything is viable. True endgame should be legendary missions, raids, incursions,and the dark zone with good rewards instead of useless gear and weapons.
Maybe they can add legendary to the world map for those who would like to change their maps difficulties from heroic to legendary and hit control points or convoys or whatever they feel like doing on legendary
They stated in the previous livestream they did that that's not something they plan to do or have the capacity to pull off, as Legendary content is something that they do hand-crafted, in terms of enemy wave sizes/timing/composition. It's unfortunately not just a switch they can flip to turn that setting on.
Praise the lawd I honestly didn't see this happening. Figured the seasonal characters were some mandate from Ubi corporate that they couldn't do anything about
I was looking forward to this tbh, because i feel like i have been left behind and don't feel like i have enough time to be able to keep up with builds for raids and such. I was hoping 2.0 would change that.
In case you haven't played it, the Countdown mode can get you the majority of loot/builds you want in a pretty short amount of time 👉 th-cam.com/video/DTtg5xQqlZE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qOrec5ynnqk44vQm
i recently came back to the game again a few months and was having a blast but when the seasonal characters thing got announced i just dipped, so im very glad i can play the game again, excellent news honestly, good job man even when not playing the game i still check out the vids to see whats happening and glad i did
Finally some good news
I wonder if there was a huge drop in players since the Seasonal news announcement thus causing this reaction from the Devs. Personally Seasonal character would be a fine addition to DIV3 from the very start, trying to do this on DIV2 when its clearly on its last leg and with bugs & glitches that still havent been addressed is just not the right move. I wonder if now Season 2.0 will get a huge delay.
Wait for the PTS first then we'll find out if they have fully removed them.
The quote specifically says that their plan is to move forward without them, but I agree it'll be important to see the full scope of what's changed in that livestream/PTS 👍
For 5.00 more, you can use your main account the whole season 😂@@RogueGold
Hazah! I'm back in the game!! Now let's fix clan xp and server stability!🎉🎉🎉
i'm not surprised it was removed this is just my speculation but i think the reason it was set up for season 2 and not season 1 is because they knew there could be a chance the community wasn't going to be happy about seasonal characters and it would give them time to reevaluate their decision to add that thank god when the community unites gg fellas
I actually think that beacause of the removal in the long rum it will be even worse, there is no way they can keep up with the current power creep... with maxed builds the most difficult content is just to easy and I can't understand why you would want to play in the long run. Every new season I play for a week to get the 100 season levels and I'm done. Every few weeks the new manhunt and that's it... Seasonal characters would have been good for the game, to bad a lot of people don't seem to get that idea and just want to blast through everything in the shortest amount of time
"Nothing i'm chasing loot wise" Thats probably because the loot thats being added is mediocre and on the edge of not being half as useful as anything we already have in our collection
Well, it's has to be mediocre or the playerbase will start complaining about even more power creep, and if Massive fixes that, then the playerbase will complain about being nerfed and how all that time was wasted grinding for now nerfed gear.
@SpiNinGRecOrds I mostly disagree, though of course interesting and worthwhile loot is always a factor.
I think it largely comes down to the loot system that we have in the game, as well as how new items are implemented into the game. Under Gear 2.0, it's *very* easy to get a copy of the majority of gear, with the rolls you want. Easier than any previous gear system in the franchise. And then once you have that roll, there's no incentive to farm a better version, since you can optimize the rolls anyway.
Additionally, new items aren't placed behind any kind of interesting or longer-term objectives. They're on the Season Pass- which can be completed in a handful of hours, but they're also immediately placed into the General Loot Pool, meaning you can jump into Countdown and earn several copies of the new Gear/Brand set in under an hour.
I don't realistically think that those two things will be solved anytime soon, and so the idea of re-rolling progression each Season at least meant that the climb to build up an arsenal for PVP, and higher-end PVE content, would last for the majority of a Season's duration.
@@RogueGold The problem with resetting people every season would mean that every bit of effort put in would be invalidated as soon as the next season goes live, so at most, you'll take a month to get an optimal loadout you're happy with and the rest you do whatever.
If the system was put in place at the beginning or over a long period of time, maybe it would work, but right now with some people putting in thouhsands of hours into one character, maxing out their builds, its not a good change.
I do agree that the loot being available in the battle pass is dumb, instead i'd prefer to have more skins or cosmetics, when was the last time we got a good emote?
But still, even if they would fix that issue by taking the sets out and making them earnable via specific seasonal vendors where you'd earn rep by doing bounties or activities much like projects, it would still not fix the mediocrity of the loot being added...
They should still do it but integrate heartland since that's no longer in the works. So the "seasonal character" is located in silver creek and is a seasoned veteran sent to stop keener's crew member Hopkins from stealing valuable information they were looking for. Based on the new coms (#57) we know keeners associates were successful which means we weren't able to get there in time cause Hopkins says the base was empty, but the seasonal character was able to dig a little deeper into what happened to the four dead division agents. He also finds new skills and gear sets some of which aren't complete yet so he has to search around silver creek for these missing items and airlift them to our main characters in D.C. in hopes we can use them to get an edge against keener.
I wish that were feasible, but with the limited team size and resources they have, everything is going into the new DLC right now. It would take a lot of work to implement Heartland into TD2 as it was built on a different engine version, with different tech, player count factoring, etc.
OMG I’m so happy! I wouldn’t mind if it were optional. I was looking for another game to play. I’m very happy they listened.
glad that they hear us...nonetheless...if D3 is years away D2 need content to bridge over. New missions/areas/raids/incursion/modes.
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I don’t have a problem with seasonal characters it would have created a challenge to your builds and new items could have been introduced with no effect on the normal game but now they are going to push everything back more
Not that I'm defending the seasonal character approach, there were definitely undeniable problems with the idea given how things have proceeded over the years. However, I'm not sure people should be outright celebrating seeing this idea just be walked back fully, as very likely, changes to how they're developing progression going forward had seasonal characters in mind, and by just REMOVING that, there will now be ripple effect problems. As opposed to changing the idea, loosening the restrictions, giving players reason to make them but not tying them to story or lore unlocks. Make it into a different way to play, which this game desperately needs, rather than just removing it.
The same thing happened to Destiny when they tried to sunset weapons as a band-aid because some were overpowered...well, they ended up UNsunsetting them, and the problem is still rampant, just with new toys. They vaulted four whole PAID campaigns partially due to "install size," yet regardless of seasons still being removed periodically, the more expansions they add is just adding more install size BACK as a problem.
It's good that Massive listened to the negativity and took action, but...my point is, if seasonal character progression was something baked into the new seasonal approach, removing that per feedback seems like a great thing, but it will likely mean even longer before a new BETTER seasonal approach is reached. That's what I'm getting at.
Devs are that out of touch they thought this would fly is IMO the real problem.
Similar to the crap gear and phoned in filler manhunt of the past few seasons.
Aegis and Mosquito reported to be the most used items ring any alarm bells?? Because it should if you play the game at all.
@@grumpyoldman6503 No no, I agree with you. I've said for years that Division is a better value than Destiny, for example, and the experiences are different enough. But watching how Division has been developed shows it's been chasing Destiny's model for a long time, without ever really forging their own path and doing things their way. The devs are busy trend chasing when they should be making Division/Division 2 unique offerings in the space. And the devs clearly don't quite know how to accomplish that.
I think there's a timeline where seasonal characters could work in Division, but undeniably, the way they proposed is NOT the answer and, like you said, it shows how out of touch they are. Without a doubt.
I think that the Descent mode is where the player can start fresh and get a sense of progression. Fingers crossed they can still create an interesting season w/o seasonal characters 😅
Descent is in no way remotely reflective of a "fresh start".
Wow, I almost feel bad now lol. I know at least some people were looking forward to the seasonal system. I definitely wasn't one of them. Aside from Rogue himself, I never saw anything but negative feedback about it, but I know others had to be out there. So, it sucks for them. Hopefully what the devs do in place of that is good.
They could still follow the same theory just differently. Instead of forcing you to create a new character allow you to select an existing character that gets cloned per say, ramp down the watch points, levels or upgrades, lock your weapons, armor, stash away until you reach the end mission, then it opens your stash and weapons/armor and watch back to your levels to include all the perks you already own, from that point you now walking into the end mission with your loaded fully built character plus upgrades from seasonal content. This allows them to do cool and creative things with the seasonal content when your in the starting stage of your cloned character up until you reach the end mission. You can then restart the seasonal content with another character and buff that those as well. Seasonal content becomes a way to upgrade characters if you have 5 total existing characters you can theoretically upgrade them all by playing the seasonal content with each one. Lets say one season has boost to snipers you keep after completion of season, another has explosive, another has upgrades to skills, theoretically you can have these all on one character or play different characters you have and now you have characters build to have special traits that go beyond specializations making builds even more dynamic.
Personally that sounds interesting to me- but I fear that forcing people to lose their progression/power instead of the previous pitch of having Seasonal Characters be optional (albeit having exclusive story content available to them) would garner an even harsher reaction and backlash lol
@@RogueGold Their seasonal wipe model was perfect. We play on a seasonal character, but still have the opportunity to play on our mains later in the season. It's actually very disappointing they canned seasonal characters.
You currently have everything you stated in game already in play. You cant use anything in the stash until you hit lv 40 anyhow. your watch doesnt unlock until you kill keener and you cant add points until you initiate Roy's cutscene. I will say this: give your character ONE of your preset loadouts for that season. and all the rest of the presets is disabled including being able to retrieve it from the stash. That will give you the ability to use it at lv 40 and the entire season.
We did it boys!
Some good news, thank god.
The coolest boss fight in the game right now is the marauder drone boss. I need more boss fights with giant mechs. Boss fight need to be epic, need to be monumental
Baby we did it!
It says a lot that we have to scream to the developers about this change. Why did they EVER think this was a good idea?
Wow...I want to start off by saying that I was not a fan of the new seasonal characters when they first announced it and my opinion still has not changed about it in the slightest...but my reaction to this news is the same as it was back then: why not just make it optional?? I just don't understand why this was always an "all or nothing" type decision.
They need to incorporate Heartland into Division 2 if they wanna keep players around and also not let all that work go to waste!
agree .. be fun to fight in a rural environment.
i was up for seasonal characters, shame its not happening. But I would rather the focus be on Div 3, Im ready for a new city and game to explore
This is Terrible. This was gonna be such a refreshing Change. As someone who hasn't no lifed or only played one game for the past 6 years. I was so looking forward to this. Im SHD 800 and thus am in shitty tweener stage of the game. I hate that all they ever do is scale the enemies up in order deal with the minority of the player bases +25 weapon damage and armor levels from the expertise system. I feel like everyones gonna whine when they cant carry over there D2 Chad to D3 🙇