I have to disagree with some things of the coat While the patterns are indeed badass it just looks like he’s wearing a half ass made trench coat that was cut with scissors I like the original three tails then the tail on the right side of his leg and the other revealed it just looks ugly
+Marius Urucu It was like the Savior from DMC4...but somehow ever worse. Because at least the Savior fight, for all of its flaws, felt like you were taking a colossal juggernaut of a demon down while simultaneously having to fight off its flunkies in the process. The Mundus fight...hell, I'd take that lame on-rails shooting section from the end of DMC1 over that garbage!
Yeah I feel Vergil's transformation was a little forced... vergil: we did it bruh dante: hell yeah we did vergil: so hey I'm evil now dante: fo real?! vegirl: yeah I want to rule over humanity, wanna join bruh? dante: nah bruh vergil: aw come on bruh dante: I hate you now vergil: I hate you too, I'm gonna beat you now with these skills I just so happen to know and NEVER USED in the entire game dante: bruuuuuhhhhh
2001 DMC: After encountering Dante twice, Nelo Angelo regains his consciousness and reveals that he was Vergil, now under the control of the Devil Emperor Mundus. He and Dante fight once more, with Dante ultimately victorious and left to mourn the loss of his possessed brother. 2003 DMC2: Vergil does not appear, nor is he referenced. 2005 DMC3: Vergil challenges Dante to a battle to trick him into coming so Vergil could take his half of the perfect amulet, and enter the demon world to gain the power of their father Sparda which was sealed away. After the man he was working with betrayed him and stole Sparda’s power for himself, Vergil and Dante team up to stop the madman making a mockery of their father’s legacy, before squaring off one last time. Vergil is unable to move on past his pursuit of power and willingly plunged himself into the depths of Hell after telling Dante to leave him (even rejecting his brother trying to reach out to him), before going out in a blaze of glory fighting against his father’s enemy: Mundus. 2008 DMC4: Nero acquires the Yamato, Vergil’s Sword, and defeats the Order of the Sword. Vergil himself does not appear, though he is referenced. 2013 DmC: After an entire game of “Dante” and “Vergil” trying to “save” the world, “Vergil” just decides to be evil at the end I guess, and tries to get you to join him. 2019 DMC5: After Vergil splits himself into Urizen and V, V begins to realize all the horrible stuff Vergil did. He teams up with Dante and Nero, makes an attempt to almost apologize to Lady for DMC3, and then Dante tells Urizen how their mom tried to save Vergil too but she died before getting the chance, and when V And Urizen reunite into Vergil he begins to question his life. Nero, after learning about his heritage, fights the real Vergil and convinces him to finally turn over a new leaf, but Vergil still being... well Vergil, throws his son, Nero, his book (one of his most treasured possessions), but also tells him that he won’t lose next time. And people still say DmC had a better story, somehow.
People claim DmC had a better story? The actual fuck? I didn't watch any of the promotional material for DMC 5, and I got into the series in 2019. I finished 3 and 4 and attempted one but it just felt way to archaic to me. When I got into five I was actually stunned by the story beats and I loved the game and its ending. I've only seen some of the clips of DmC, but I only need one to know enough about the game, that being the one where Donte and a boss keep telling each other to go fuck themselves with the boss saying she would, what was the exact phrasing btw, rip off his head and piss on his corpse or something like that?
What people actually mean to say is that “DmC: devil may cry has better *THEMES*” because the themes in that game are moderately decent, but the story and the way it’s told are utter nonsense Now, that’s not to say they’d be any less wrong, a preference in themes is subjective and there’s not a lot of ways you can say “This theme is better than this one!” Unless one of the themes is blatantly stupid e.g. “nazi’s are good” or “video games make people violent”
The people claiming DmC had a good story either shills or people that never like devil may cry. There is nothing redeemable about that westernized piece of shit its garbage on every level its actually offensive.
I laugh when people say DMC was just anime cliches but what about DmC: Devil May Cry Dlc where it had "hollow Vergil" I was half expecting Ichigo to come out or vergil to pull out a zanpaktou
If I'm remember right, the guy who made the reboot said he didn't want to the game too Japanese so taking a idea from Japanese anime is ok right it doesn't make the game too Japanese right??
Devil May Cry wasn't based around any anime's, the original first DMC was actually going to be Resident Evil 4. But because the game was a lot more action based, the developer decided to switch the zombies with demons, and Leon with - you guessed it, Dante. It's what he looks somewhat similar in facial features to Leon from previous titles, but eh. But yeah, if anything, the reboot had more anime cliches than the original games.
It still doesn't change the fact that DMC story is simple as fuck and DmC surpassed it. Which wasn't hard to achieve and I won't defend the quality and depth of the latter.
I want to see fan-art with Virgil going about the planet with a mega-phone telling people "DON'T DO THAT!" with a no-no finger waving. He'd just awkwardly move up from behind something in the middle of whatever and start scolding people. People having sex? He pops up at the front of the bed and just makes a pouty face "DON'T DO THAT!" ISIS killing people? His head pops up in a tank. "DON'T DO THAT!" Abortion clinics? ... Oh wait he doesn't seem to have a problem with that.
+TakTheFox a dude getting robbed, he just teleports behind the robber and says DONT DO DAT oh wait, i am supposed to don't give a shit okay, go on with your daily lives
And then DMC5 comes along and the Vergil we know and love quite literally steals the entire game's show with only 20 mins of screentime in a 10 ish hour game
Beyond the obvious I always saw Vergil's biggest strength as an antagonist being his disregard for giving us a reason why he is the way he is. Sure there are some underlying threads leading back to his mother but at the end of the day he doesn't need to justify himself to anyone in his eyes. He has his goals and nobody is going to stand in his way, end of. And that gives him such a rock solid, yet mysterious vibe of conviction it's impossible not to be wowed by him.
Exactly. He doesn't even hate humanity because to him, humanity are rodents that are simply there and if they get caught up in everything - they're just collateral damage.
@@skippitylip6524 Well there's a lot of "open to interpretation" with the character. That's why I loved him in DMC3. He erected the tower to bring hell onto Earth just so he could ascertain power. But to do what exactly? I always thought he was on this quest for power because he secretly blamed his own father for not being their to save Eva, Dante and Vergil's mother. So his whole path was trying to be the man he wanted to believe his father was. In DmC, I do feel NT missed some vital notes with trying to make Vergil more believable. But I did like his psychosis, falling into madness because he was left, after being beaten by Dante, to question himself on why he lost. In doing so, he started to question aspects of himself and create demons through his own thoughts that in turn pushed him deeper. I thought that was actually neat on a psychological level because it makes you wonder what Mundus did to Vergil after DMC3. Surely it wasn't so much as, "Oop, you touched me and now I'll name you Nelo Angelo!"
@@FatalFist I definitely get the desire to see stories which psychoanalyse the main character but oof, the scenes in Vergin's downfall did not help. Shout out to Vergin mentally killing Donte without a boss fight.
Can I just say I am so goddamn tired of video game organizations being named so terribly. You know, "The Order" from DmC, "The Militia" from inFAMOUS 2, it's just so stupid. It's not hard to make an organization with a name that makes sense. Take Prototype for example, the militia unit is called Blackwatch, and they hey WATCH for the BLACKlight virus. It's not genius, but at least they weren't called "The anti-virus military" or something.
+Victor Viridian Maybe I'm wrong but I thought it, like the blue rose, was a reference to DMC 4. If I remember correctly, the group that Nero was apart of was the Order of the Sword.
About inFAMOUS 2, they are called the militia... because they are a militia. There is no point in naming a movement that literally could not afford to spend time coming up with a name. It isn't like with Cole who single-handedly puts Empire City into and out of chaos thus earning the name "Demon of Empire City". Like there is no reason for the militia to come up with a name, they aren't some kind of fantasy world group of rebels trying to usurp a country, they are militia wanting to take back their city and put things back to normal.
+HyperBitHero why are you giving this any apologism? bad writing is just that. bad writing. it does not had any narrative value or quality, so it's useless to talk about it in any relevant manner.
I kind of liked him in DmC to be honest, they tried to bring more life into him. His move set was awesome and his DLC did kind of make the character more real proving he was a narcissist. He corrupted himself because he was fighting his own subconscious. Granted, Vergil of DMC3 and 5 is loads better because the character is so ambiguous and incognito. In DMC3, he didn't hate humanity... they were just in the way.
5:38 WAIT WAIT WAIT. Flip their roles for a second. If Dante was the villian, he would appear to be a total sadist that the player would want to brutally slaughter. He's acting like Volgin from MGS3. Mundus would be the sympathetic character the player would hope pulverizes Dante
> Trilby > Katana > Sort of a trenchcoat > Teleports behind Mundus before unzipping his katana I didn't think it was possible for this game to get any cringier.
5:33 Yea, the climatic dialogue that establishes our hero as the undeniable force of good, and the demonic villain as pure evil, probably shouldn't have the villain (in a mildly depressing tone) ask why the hero ended the life of his unborn child, and then have the hero justify his actions by claiming it was entertaining to murder an unborn child and amusing to watch the father's distress as it happened.
FatalFist No it is not. Murdering an “Unborn” child for the sins of the father was not “cool”. You cant really justify your “heroic” actions when you have kill a kid, and subsequently sacrifice millions of innocent humans to the father’s wrath. Their whole plan of merging limbo and reality was stupid too, as demons are free to roam around and slaughter whomever they want. Think a little next time you want to be edgy.
FatalFist Im pretty sure Not-Vergil pulled the trigger in an attempt to emotionally wound Mundus and stop another Demon King from rising, so “The Sins of The Father” line still applies. Lilith despite being rather disgusting, didnt need to see her own baby explode from within her. Demons have feelings too you know. Goes to show how vile the scene really is, as simply shooting her first would have been a little kinder than the kid first. But hey, anything to get some cheap shock value and some sort of set up to the Virgil “misunderstanding”. God this game is bad.. Also no comment or justification for that rather tasteless display of angst? If so good on you for being rather accepting overall, and I hope the negative feelings you had while commenting are long gone now, and you have a happy life
That scene where Vergil tells Dante about his past and how only a nephilim can defeat the demon lord shows just how small minded the authors actually are. When you plaster the walls with graffiti that clearly represents your story and you even focus on it more than the characters, you fucking failed. They couldn't have shoved it farther into our faces if they tried. There is no subtext, there is no symbolism, no metaphors, it's just showing us the literal meaning of what Vergil is saying like a coloring book or a kids show for five year olds. And it also doesn't make any sense. Why is that shit even there? Yeah, having one painting in the background that resembles the meaning could be believeable. But this? it just comes off as trying too hard and takes you even further out of the game. The worst part is, that I don't get it. Was this written by completely different people than Enslaved? Because that game actually had very clever designs that both worked in terms of "Journey to the West" and the world the game takes place in. The story in that game also tried way to hard and never understand the subtle use of symbolism, but in DmC it's just terrible. I honestly thought this was done by edgy tryhard high schoolers who just watched Fight Club for the first time.
+SpeckObst it was written by a completely different people then enslaved what probably happened with enslaved was Tameem (the head of ninja theory) wrote his script and then the others just threw it out and wrote a good script but that didn't happen this time Tameem probably pulled a George Lucas and got rid of anyone who questioned his writing
Honestly I thought that was the most absolutely self absorbed pretentious bullshit you can do with explaining the detail of any narrative within story telling. Absolutely reminded me of this edgy writting elitist asshat I had the great displeasure of having creative writing classes with in college. Trolling around in his dumbass fedora, litterally critiquing everyone's work with the utmost sense of self importance and then get emotionally bitchy when people don't approve of his work. .... Sounds a lot like Taneem.
you knows whats worse? thats not even original art the game devolpers created, those graffiti paintings existed before this game. i remember seeing a few of them on deviant art
Not much more to add. You got it pretty spot on. It's weird when the guy who ripped an innocent woman's heart out with his bare hands in front of her son is one of the most sympathetic characters.
+The4thSnake I think it's because it's not in his character to kill children. There's a reason for mandass capturing dontey into his own prison instead of just kill him. wait? you didn't know dontey got captured and was rescued by vorgul and Kat? there was a shitty prequel comic tells a story how vorgul made the order and used superman's kiss to erase both his and Kat's memory for being a couple.
It's kind of funny how the original Vergil is a power-hungry but admirably clever and honourable character - he hides his emotions, but he's not evil, just misguided. He's surprisingly sincere about everything he does, and has no illusions about nobility. Almost definitely has an inferiority complex, and he wants power for power's sake (it would guarantee him physical safety, though not psychological safety). The reboot Vergil is more expressive, and he seems to pursue power and freedom because he is self-conscious about his strength (which is kind of like a retcon to make him more similar to OG Vergil, since we get this insight from the DLC), but he conceals his powerlust by claiming humans need a ruler. He killed Lilith, but worse, he killed the child first. Stabbed Mundus from behind. He wanted everybody around him to die for perceived slights, not actual conflicts. This to me differs him immensely from OG Vergil - reboot Vergil is a liar and dishonourable. And unlike Vergil, who despite being a bastard, conceals a good side, reboot Vergil conceals a deep ugliness inside of him and convinces himself he's righteous.
A "bastard", huh? You don't know what a real bastard looks like, let alone what an actual scumbag is capable of. Now do you? For you to resort to insulting this character... I can't help but wonder what that says about you, y'know what I mean? Because what I think, is that no human should be treated as inferior compared to someone else. Because that is exactly the type of thinking that creates conflict, and terrorization. I cannot tell you how long I had to deal with shit like this, and how much suffering this has caused. Not just for me, but for so many other people as well. Those are the type of situations that are caused by the actual bastards, and Vergil is certainly *not* one of them.
This is a good analysis. The thing is, people are too absorbed about the mainline version, ignoring the fact this Vergil ISN'T supposed to be exactly like the original. The reboot version is honestly his own complicated character and although the dlc sheds his psychological issues, only scratches the surface and also because they never did plan to make a dlc anyway and when they did they were forced on a tight deadline of releasing it in 6 months or so, after the main game's release.
As I'm sure you already know. I really suggest playing this game in Spanish. It adds a whole new layer of soap opera cheese that you'll love it in a whole new way!
+Lord Dagger I'm still befuddled *why* Capcom chose to go in this route with the series instead of creating it like a very loose spiritual successor (barely) instead of trying to replace an established series with this whatthefuckery version. It's even weirder with people trying to connect the series with one another and just...no. Hell, NT even (I'm hoping purposely) got the lore wrong about Nephilim just for the sake of their story. Fuck is wrong with ya'll Capcom for letting this out?!
To be fair, he was much more animated than in DMC3. So they tried to make him more human in the regards of being relatable and he is, if you interpret the DLC as such. People wrestle between narcissism and self conscious thoughts, that's why they're narcissists. But he is by no means deeper than Vergil in DMC3. That being said, even DMC5 kind of disappoints me with how they handled Vergil.
@@FatalFist dmc5 handled vergil fine Due to vergil finally achieving what he wished for most (to remove his human half) said human half realized how futile his efforts were .from there once vergil was whole again he had grown from the experience and rebirth, dante thwn proceeded to challenge him to finish things and in the end the two actually start to act like brothers Thus both dante and vergil have completed their character arcs Dante about embracing his inner demon And vergil about embracing his humanity Also the whole feeling betrayed and thinking he was left behind when eva died was a good additiin to his motivation I consider dmc5 vergil to be stellar
@@V2ULTRAKill Actual development that peaked at the best DMC game> Disappointing. Badly written characters with cntradicting concepts backing their incredibly bland and unfitting personalities, while no clear development is anywhere in sight> better. Yeah. That checks out.
oldmanglitch I was thinking more in the lines of Resident Evil of which you can see an example on this channel. That's almost a mean comparison though.
"The Nephilim (plural) are the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" in Genesis 6:4, or giants who inhabit Canaan in Numbers" Nothing about demons It's a 2 second google search Good job Ninja Theory
+Henry Narukami its spelled in the game as Nephalem. and if you google Nephalem Physiology you can find some bullshit pages on it referencing Dante and Vergil from some bullshit comic book super power wiki or something. i didnt make it up, im just saying that theres apparently a difference.
I think they just spelled Nephilim wrong either on purpose or on accident and just didn't do researh... Besides It's already been established that Palademon's are Half-Human, Half-Angel
+JJF I don't want to defend DMC:DMC, but that's often interpreted as fallen angels or fallen angels that possessed men. Remember even the devil was a son of God.
Don't forget the classic but ever-retarded, "At least Dante and Vergil are acting like brothers SHOULD!" Those people are a special type of brain dead.
+Sonickick120reborn Meh, I liked DmC as much as I liked the original series and even I admit the much hyped up better story and characterization kinda fell flat. I still liked it though. Different strokes for different folks.
wiseguy240 Winston There's a legit reason he wanted power. It's called SUBTEXT. It's in his actions and his words. Vergil wants to gain power so that he will never lose anything close to him ever again, like how he and Dante lost their mom to a demon sent by Mundus. "Might controls everything - and without strength, you cannot protect anything; let alone yourself." That line he said to Dante after defeating him the first time speaks volumes of his motivation. Notice how he never tried to legitimately kill Dante until their final encounter. It's because he was trying his damnedest to convince Dante to embrace his demon heritage because he genuinely cares for his brother, unlike bitch-boy, fedora tipping Vino. He seeks power so that he can become better than his father yet ironically abhors human weakness and hates himself for being half human. Sparda risked his life to defend humanity and fight for those he loved. Vergil is a hypocrite who considers human weak, yet fails to realize they possess a quality most demons lack, possibly what drove Sparda to fall in love with a human woman in the first place. Vergil's goal is an ironically cruel fate in the grand scheme of things. He wishes to become the most powerful demon, not to rule the demon world or even dominate humans, but so that he will be unchallenged and never lose anyone dear to him again. The irony is that the only one who he has left is his brother, Dante, and at the end of it all is willing to kill him to achieve his goal. Which will leave him with nothing when you think about it, really nailing home how insane Vergil truly is. Another reason why he doesn't completely answer Dante's question is because he TRULY doesn't know what he'll do once he obtains his power. His whole life was centered around pursuing power that, should he obtain it, what he sacrificed to get it will just leave it a hollow victory.
Rene p Soares people give it a lot of shit, but i think it's awesome all over, and the special edition even more. All the characters are awesome to play
Having played through all 4 Devil May Cry games (with 3 being my favourite and 4 nearly hitting the mark), I'm happy. Happy, because I now have every right to legitimately pan DmC and call Ninja Theory out on their bullshit. Devil May Cry 3 was much simpler in terms of story than in this game, yet it did so much more. Dante's crushing defeat at the hands of Vergil atop the tower was genuinely impactful, and Vergil himself saw no other way than his own. He stuck to his convictions, selfish though it may be, and stopped at nothing to purge the world of the weak. Despite being the main antagonist, he made a lot of valid points, like when he tells Dante that without power, he will never be able to protect the things he loves. Instead of crying and bruding over his defeat, Dante picks himself right back up with his new-found Devil Trigger awakened. He's still alive, and he knows that as long as he's alive, he has to see this through to the end. He knows there's no time for doubts, and doing so would be a betrayal of who he is. The only way to save the world from Vergil is by surpassing him whist sticking to his own convictions. He gains the power Vergil spoke of, but through his own way, and his faith in humanity that drives him. Yeah, I know it sounds very cliche, but the cutscenes managed to convey all of those raw emotions and inspirational themes without spoon-feeding it to the audience. The extreme difficulty curve of the game actually adds to the whole experience, too. You have to earn the right to meet Vergil in the final mission. The game's tough, but incredibly fun and addictive. Each fight is well-designed and fair to the player. You have all the tools you need to win, you just have to do your part. The combat system requires the player to mix up their moves with flashy combos whilst dodging the enemy's attacks and taunting them to reach the SSS (Stylish) rank, earning them more rewards and making for one of the best combat systems in any game. Let's also remember that all of this happened in glorious 60fps, even on PAL PS2's, when Capcom finally decided to give UK players the option to play in 60Hz. Compare all of that to this... DmC: Devil May Cry. 30fps unless you're lucky enough to have waited for the Definitive edition to experience it, a deeper yet still stupid story full of teenage angst and nursery-level politcal commentary that they force-feed you to leave little to the imagination, a dumbed-down combat system in which you can spam the same moveset repeatedly to get SSS (as well as a colour-coded enemy mechanic, because Ninja Theory forgot that they were making a hack'n'slash game and not fucking Ikaruga), super saiyan fights apparently (you can mindlessly slash away at enemies in mid-air now with minimal effort and no sense of accomplishment, unlike with Nero's awesome grabbing mechanic which took skill AND rewarded you with a higher combo rank and extra damage to enemies), and shitter, more detestable counter parts to the ones found in the better games. It doesn't help that Ninja Theory thought they were the big I Am because Capcom let them make the game, and because they had "better hardware than the first three games", it automatically means everything they bring to the table is better than what came before it. I get it. It's a reboot. It's supposed to be different. But you can't tell me that the "Not in a million years..." scene isn't an immature and shameful reaction to die-hard fans on their part, can you? And how can you not blame people like HyperBitHero, GamingBrit, GamingSins e.t.c for comparing Ninja Theory's defication to the superior games it's based on? Sure, I wouldn't mind giving the Definitive Edition a try whenever I get a PS4, but I'm also going to be basking in DMC4: Special Edition's combat mechanics and Legendary Dark Knight mode at the same time, this time with the much better Vergil than Bigger Dick Vergil. On it's own, DmC is not a bad game overall. It is enjoyable if you let yourself enjoy it. But damn... It's just so depressing to know that Angry Joe's review of it is the most popular Devil May Cry-related video on TH-cam. It doesn't deserve that coverage. I don't care if you're an inexperienced player at the hack-and-slash genre. So was I when I played the first 2 Devil May Cry games. They did a good enough job of easing me in to the genre, and by that time, I was ready to tackle the third game again and this time get past the second boss (granted, I was also ready for anything more exciting than DMC2). There's no excuse for you not to get the originals before DmC, especially considering how cheap they are second-hand. Well, there's my long-winded take-rant on the whole situation. I'd like to thank HyperBitHero for really putting into perspective the reasons why DmC is so flawed in the character department, because we're not just angry about Dante's hair, contrary to what all the ignorant, trailer-trash nay-sayers who don't know the meaning of the word research like to say.
+NintendanGX Oh, and I nearly forgot. Devil May Cry's dialogue wasn't mind-blowing, but at least it's not as sloppily-written, "edgy" and thoughtless as DmC's. Okay, I've said my piece.
+NintendanGX Not to mention the 1st 3 original DMC games are available for Xbox 360 and PS3 in an awesome HD collection that even includes the special edition version of DMC 3. Not many people know this, but because of complaints about how easy DMC 2 was Capcom released DMC 3 in America with the Japanese hard mode as the American normal mode. DMC 3: Special Edition finally allows American players the option to play the "real" (aka Japanese) normal mode. The point I'm trying to make is that if anyone here wanted to play DMC 3 but was turned off by the game's difficulty the special edition is out there for PS2 and as part of the HD collection for PS3 and Xbox 360. In addition, I want people to know you don't have to own a PS2 to play the original DMC trilogy on a console. There is literally no excuse, if you've played the original version DmC: Devil May Cry you can play the original trilogy and DMC 4 just as easily on the same consoles. I won't judge you too harshly, however, if you choose to skip DMC 2. DMC 2 just sucks.
+NintendanGX: Respect, extremely well written article about the main difference between DMC3 & DmC. DMC3's story is simple but extremely well presented. Most of the story and true intention of the characters are expressed through subtle dialogs & their expression instead of those forceful dump-downed Sssshakespearan conversation. DMC3 is still one of my top 5 video game of all time.
Since you guys seem to know what you're talking about do you mind if I ask, should I get into this game? I'm pretty damn bad at hack and slash. But also, what order should I play them in?
9 years later and I still love playing this game. If it wasn't for this game introducing me to this series I wouldn't have gotten DMC 1-5 in the first place.
I recall listening to a couple of podcasts back in 2013 praising the games story and characters IGN and Joystiq especially lol it's like they're standards of what's compelling is dreadfully low
+HollowIchigo136 Games Media has a tendency to be very anti-Japanese and ignorant about that side of gaming, unless Nintendo or Sony is involved and even then they also fuck up there. Plus they don't know how to play video games so I doubt they reached the end of DMC3
+ew275x it would not surprise me if they were paid to only say positive things about the game. i remember alot of journalist ignoring all the positive things about the older games and telling people to shut up and buy dmc.
zyonhunter Nah, they don't know any of the advanced techniques in the game. Plus it had everything a games journalist loves that allow them to make the game get good scores: - Lots of cutscenes - Dumbed down battle system that allows them to get SSS by just attacking - Stupidly easy to complete - "Pretty" graphics - Serious story, because games journalist hate campy stories because they are pretentious twits. - A reason to attack gamers because they didn't like the game
I feel like most game journalists don't meet the requirements that reviewers/journalists meet in other fields, and because of that, they aren't qualified to critique certain aspects of games. They know how to look for bullet points, ie. are the graphics "advanced", are the controls streamlined, do the people in these cutscenes sound like they act for a living, and is there an interesting mechanic or two. Problem is that the people that watch IGN videos tend to only really care about that stuff. The smarter guys in the business tend to get the most hate from the community when they release a review that looks deeper into things (usually narrative and pacing). It's like when Sessler gave uncharted 3 a 4 out of 5 and everyone went crazy.
kratosmaycry The problem is that those both perspectives ignore gameplay, how many games journalists do you think know how to dodge in MGR:R? Or have made a challenge run? Or know fighting game combos?
if this game was not called devil may cry and something else, it would just be an average action game people would forget after a month of its release.
I never understood why they called it Devil trigger in this game. The powers being tapped are both angelic, and demonic. Devil trigger is weaker then both if you've got two supernatural abilities.
Vergil never shows any kind of battle prowess in the main game itself. He's just the intellect. So the final boss battle felt out of nowhere and there was no buildup. In the end you're just beating up some guy with brains, not a super skilled, deadly swordsman. Also, the "yehmahto". This game is terrible.
I honestly have to wonder what this Vergil would have been like if they'd gone with the _original_ version of DMC's Dante. There might have been some interesting conflict between this Vergil and a smoking, antisocial Dante. What does he think of the fact that his brother is constantly getting into trouble with the demonic forces of the world? What does he feel about the Dante basically being a depressive smoker? Unfortunately since they tried to appease fans (and failed by not appeasing them enough) we'll probably never get to see that interaction.
+Chewable Arsenic Candies You know, now that I think about it, a drug-addict Dante would be very interesting if they retained that aspect of his character. This Dante would have had more potential to grow as a character because in the very first trailer for DmC, Dante being interrogated implies that he's been through so much with Mundus and the Demons that his perspective towards his life would clash with Vergil's own throughout DmC. The drugs iteslf would serve as an interesting story element in that it would have also explained how Dante learned to use Rebellion, gained lots of experience in doing all types of odd jobs (which would help foreshadow the establishment of his own shop). I know it can be apalling at first, but I'm sure that if Ninja Theory pulled this off right, Dante would have quit smoking eventually anyway; I was never bothered by that part of his character. I was bothered by the fact that when I was watching that trailer, that they changed his personality. And THAT would be a more pressing issue. Either way, both the main games and DmC leave so much to be desired in terms of the story. How can I know more about these characters and the lore when there is so little to explore?
This game is an embarrassment and should never be touched upon again. What we need from the REAL series is a game for Sparda, Vergil, and perhaps one to properly flesh out Nero. Nero has a lot of potential and deserves better.
DevilHunterJames That song and the ending with Dante walking off after his farewells to Nero is always what I picture when I think of "the end" of the real DMC, and the hopes and dreams of an eventual 5. Gives me the chills just about every time I think how powerful that scene is, and how much better it seems overall watching it as the years pass by.
I'm glad DMC4SE came out it's good to play as the True Vergil of DMC again. Seriously after everything that has happened with DmC I'm glad it's not getting a sequel. Let's just focus on the future of Devil May Cry series with DMC5.
Amen. Even Capcom knows the reboot was a failure, they said so in their 3 year report. www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/oar/2014/message/verification.html Soon the REAL Devil May Cry will return, and to be honest, I rewatched the ending to DMC4, and I cried when Nero asked Dante "will we meet again"? And whaddya know? The answer is HELL YEAH!
***** I talked about that a while back where if Capcom or Itsuno plans to bring Vergil back it has to be a DMC game where Dante finds out he's alive and searches for him or Rescues him from Hell. Actually the Main bad guy would be Mundus. In DMC1 he didn't die so he would want revenge against Dante. There should also be an epic Final Battle between Dante and Vergil vs Mundus.
***** I can see more powerful demons in the underworld but Mundus is the ruler so he must have a "Real" spawn of his to take over his place if he falls. There is no way they are going to forget Nero he's Vergil's son they need to put him in the next DMC game and give him a "True" Devil Trigger.
***** Who knows what other Demons exist in the DMC world they could make new ones and bring back a few that deserve a 2nd chance *Cough* Argosax the Chaos *Cough*
Once again you hit the nail on the head. This game had TERRIBLE characterization with Vergil, and heck, you KNOW he's inferior to the original when his Final Boss Battle is lame compared to the original.
@WarWolf Well, they're badly done because Dante is like a rebel teen at this age. Ideally this was to be his origin story where he later would grab a bike and set up a home in some rundown bar and then you'd have DMC3 some years later. So Dante's character made sense somewhat. Vergil on the other hand, he moved like the Vergil we love but they definitely twisted him with giving him a sick and twisted personality which I wasn't a fan of. In DMC3, you know Vergil's twisted based on how he believes he killed Arkham. "To further your study in the black arts, you sacrificed your loving wife to become a devil as well. Knowing this, I thought you would be more use to me. But I was wrong." The delivery of that quote with how monotone and methodical Vergil is definitely paints a twisted personality behind a stoic shade.
It's actually not lame on harder difficulties Vergil pulls off fucking DMC3:SE Vergil combos On devil hunter it's all oh Summoned swords rapidly slash and judgment cut that's hard right?
The DmC reboot would've been a good game if it was its own title. I liked the idea of corruption and brainwashing people through the media. Kinda like the illuminati. And the whole idea about Limbo was pretty cool but they fucked up the whole story for the Devil May Cry franchise, it pissed me off. I played the game for both Dante and Vergil and it did not make me want to play the story again like the other DMC games. I just hope Capcom makes a DMC5.
NT definitely missed some elements. I wouldn't say the game pissed me off and I do somewhat liked some of the moments Vergil had, I just thought they tried too hard to make him edgy and sadistic. I mean Vergil in DMC3 was twisted too but that was a product of, what I believed, was him loving his mother so dearly and not having a father to protect the one he loved - so Vergil went off in the pursuit of power so he would be the better man.
The idea that only a nephalim can slay a demon king in this game is utterly ridiculous. If that were the case, then wouldn't angels have lost whatever war they were fighting already? Also in the official comic prequel of this game where Vergil meets Kat, they actually fall in love, which makes the entire sequence of Vergil's mood shifts even stranger.
I agree, the gameplay was awesome, the story is surprisingly good concept wise, shit in execution. The butchering of the characters was the worst part, and the new ones didnt add shit to the story,
The end plot twist was unbearable honestly. I could at least tolerate it more if he brought it up early on and came back to it multiple times in conversations with Dante. Maybe he could have had a struggle figuring out if it was right or wrong to control humans for the sake of protecting them from the demons and themselves leading to his ultimate decision at the end end to turn on Dante after he himself disagrees with the idea altogether. Even THEN it still wouldn't work well enough because how would he be strong enough to fight Dante (The killer of Mundus) even though he had Dante go on all of these errandswtfisthisplothelpmeimdying.
There's alot of hidden hints in the game that give this conclusion, you probably just don't remember or didn't care at first - in the first ever scene he appears, he was using a mask on tv trying to sway public opinion - when dante meets him, you can see him on the shadows while dante is in the light - about the only a nephilim can beat the demon king, there's that Demon vs Angel paint on the wall, Vergil on the demon side and Dante in the angel one - he most of the times manipulates both dante and kat - he literally killed mundus child, he did that before even killing lilith, just to piss off mundus, dante got really mad over that So yeah, is that enough?
Ugh. Poor Vergil deserved better. Although he is a villain I love him . OG Vergil had some sense of honor. He went to great lengths to get ultimate power because he considered himself weak and wanted to rid himself of his humanity.
You know what is sad? Sparda... In original DMC series He was a powerful demon capable to love humans . For the humanity he BEATS Mundus and sealed demon world. Then he took care of the people for 1000 years ,Later he married and fathered sons. And then He disappeared ....We still do not know what happened to him . In reebot he is average demon. Sparda was condemned by Mundus because of the relationship with an angel .... He was easily defeated and imprisoned . It's sad how the creators turned powerful , interesting and important character into weak , insignificant and repulsive . Sorry for bad english. I'm from Poland. You have got new spectator.
DmC is simply disgusting, I admit the combat is fluid and fun but the story and characters made me want to puke beating all difficulty is not as hard as watching all the cutscene
Can't argue with you there. I was hoping that at least Kat would be a good character but even she flat out was just... Underwhelming to downright uninteresting. It really did culminate to what Antichrist2000 said, just an edgy circle-jerk that missed the train of 2005 where games with characters like this frolicked lol
I don't think DmC Vergil wanting to rule humanity "for their own good" makes him any less evil. If anything that makes him worse. He's so full of himself and looks down on humanity so much that he thinks that they need to be protected by himself as some higher being. That's the attitude of an evil dictator if there ever was one. Not that it makes his character better or anything. In comparing how Vergil fights in DmC vs. DMC3 I have to agree. Or well, kind of. I've never finished DMC3 (only ever got to the boss rush level on Normal), so most of my experience of his mechanics comes from playing as him multiple times in DMC4SE. Comparing that to how he plays in the DmC DLC, there's such a huge difference in terms of feel. Some sword moves and special abilities are the same, but in DmC he feels sort of clumsy. Very stop-start and without a natural flow to him. In DMC4SE, he's brilliant to play. So quick and fluid. It's crazy how different they can make the same character feel.
+Scrustle I agree, but I don't think that makes him more "evil" it just makes him a big asshole, like I said in the video. He's super condescending and smug so he think's he is the best man for the job, but in his eyes he sees it as a good thing, like he's being the hero by protecting humanity and making sure they're safe. He even says they'll "respect their subjects, not enslave them." He is doing this out of a will to do good, it's just that he is too full of himself to see that no one wants him to rule over them, haha.
Honestly if he had just chosen his words with a bit more tact, and said something like 'Now is our chance to guide humanity towards a better world!' people would probably have trouble with seeing how what he's doing is wrong.
+HyperBitHero The trouble is that I think humanity actually needed someone like Vergil after all that those two bumbling idiots had just done. Up until that point, the human race had managed to get along without being hunted and slaughtered by demons thanks to Mundus' barrier. Now that those prats had broken it down, they'd just unleashed a torrent of chainsaw-armed monstrosities onto the population and nobody was really prepared for such an event. It's stupid of Dante to assume they can just let the humans do what they want now, since society had just undergone such an enormous upheaval. If anything, Vergil was crucial because he's at least someone who pretends to understand what's going on around him. But whatever, it's a dumb game with a poorly thought out conclusion. Logic doesn't really come into it.
You don't even have to be a longtime DMC fan or DMC classic purist to even realize that DmC's adaptation of Vergil is just nothing short of embarrassing on the fact he was just poorly written as a character let alone another cliche self righteous antagonist. Which they even made worst with that forcefully contrived edge lord wubfest that was the VD DLC. Which had a poorly timed Pre-order launch which intentionally spoiled the upcoming plot of the game like "no shit Sherlock, have you ever played a DMC title?". Ninja Theory clearly had an active reimagining but they absolutely failed in understanding what made these characters iconic in the first fucking place; which ultimately they and there apologist assume is purely just a weeaboo thing. In any staple third person character action title. Vergil made his mark in DMC 3 as the definitive badass rival character in Gaming. Not because he wore opposing colors and had a completely opposite demeanor and style of fashion, no. A good rival character is designed to not only have an opposing ideology to you the protagonist; but also has an active and endearing presence that constantly re-evaluates your own capability and mastery at the game. Thus by overcoming this person who seemingly can kick your ass, you the player feel greatly empowered when you defeat them, and none of the cliche plotwist bullshit that had almost little to no direct build-up to a poorly executed final battle. I wish the next Devious Extent actually gives a better example of how an endearing rival character should be portrayed. Like Jetstream Sam.
Well of course the DLC was developed like that. NT was hoping people new to the DMC franchise but loved hack and slashes would pick up their game and want to tune in. It's not rocket science.
I do wonder if Vergil was a late addition to the game. Like they had the original character anonymous guy with the mask as a new character and Capcom made them change him into Vergil to tie more to the original game.
Remember when NT said they were going to blow the story of the original DMC out of the water? They cant even surpass the story of DMC1, i would rather have a simple but good paced story with good build up and progression rather this mess that NT wrote
Oh lol, did they really removed the fedora? That's just hilarious. Excellent video as always, I'm really interested in seeing more of your Devious Intent videos with both video game and anime villains (since you said in twitter that you were interested in the idea.)
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!! I have a friend who actually loves DmC's version of Vergil more than the original, to point of cosplaying him on stage and re-enacting that melodramatic final scene. Thank you for this. Pizza's on me if I ever meet you :)
I believe when Vergil starts "pulling abilities out of his ass" that's because once he seals Mundus' power source and the whole world goes into Limbo Vergil gets access to his powers. I noticed that Dante never used any of his abilities when he wasn't in limbo, so that's my reasoning on why he never used them prior.
Should also mention that Vorgil never really combos you. All of his attacks are one and done while Vergil in DMC3 had a nifty combo you might get a chunk of lifebar taken away from you.
What seriously irks me about Vergil in this game is that he COULD have been so much more charming and likeable given what they originally intended for him. See those dumb blue surgical gloves? They're there because their original plan for his character was gonna be that he's a super germophobic clean-freak or always cleans himself and his blade whenever he finishes a fight. Could you imagine if we got that instead? A Vergil with a personality like Levi from AOT? A cold, stoic badass with a dry sense of humour who slices through demons with ease only to look at the blood on his hands and sword and go "Ew, gross." and clean it off? That alone sounds so much more likeable than what they did.
One praise I never understood for the rebooted Donte and Vergil is the whole "at least they're not anime characters this time!" (compared to, uh, whatever "anime" the originals were supposed to be from?), as if edgelord Dante and "Euphoric" Vergil are somehow more preferable? And criticizing something for being too "anime" just reeks of, I don't know, racism to begin with anyway. If it's too cartoony/over-the-top, then just say so. Implying that the previous titles were nowhere near as good because of how "Japanese" it was is just stupid on multiple levels.
+MundoSD You know, I never understood that criticism either. The series as a whole screams of a shonen jump manga--especially DMC3. This is a series where the hero is constantly impaled on his own sword, he has no trouble talking to a half naked version of his mother, he willingly allows his business partner to put a gun to his head, taunts his enemies all the time. is constantly in debt, loses in all forms of gambling, and gets drunk enough to propose to a mop, . I don't see where realism comes into play
The criticism is especially funny after the vergils downfall dlc. He LITERALLY goes through vizard training by dealing with his hollow (Bleach) to become a super Saiyan (dbz) in order to master the shadow clone jutsu (naruto).
+MundoSD I think too many people just look at Vergil and Dante's design and assume it's just some anime bullshit without actually paying attention to how the characters act.
“They’re just two dumbasses with magical weapons”
Holy shit I’ve never heard a better summary of Donte and Vergin
donte and vergin...you just killed me 😂
the originals are just cut out of Inuyasha nad Sesshomaru
Two dumbass indead
@@devildavin Still btter than Donte and Vergin.
@@devildavin If Sesshomaru has the weapon that actually kills
This reboot was supposed to bring new life to a franchise that was never really all that dead to begin with.
And we never heard any announcement of a new DMC game since then... stupid Capcom
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But hey, at least there's the remasters! /sarcasm.
I was hoping these remasters would lead to an announcement of a new game but no.
***** same here, i was expecting a DMC5 teaser in capcom's tgs after dmc4:se ... but no.
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It's really not too surprising considering Capcom is broke lol.
+civilwarfare101 Still waiting for that DMC5 announcement Capcom...
and the ya-mah-toe, for Vergil
+TheGamingBritShow Glad I wasn't the only one who made massive fun at the bad pronunciations.
You're-my-toe.
+TheGamingBritShow Ya-MAH BOI. Vergin's plan was to control humanity through TH-cam Poop.
+TheGamingBritShow Yah meh tou
jesus that part killed me 💀
*unsheathes katana*
*teleports behind you*
Nothing personnel kid...
+Turboviikinki *tips fedora*
+Turboviikinki omfg its dat sanic fan character what the hell was its name again?
Pokechao Coldsteel the Hedgeheg
+Turboviikinki THE GREATEST STUDENT OF THE SONIC FIGHIN ACADEMY...
*teleports behind you*
ᴵᵗ'ˢ ᶠʳᵉᵉ ʳᵉᵃˡ ᵉˢᵗᵃᵗᵉ
"I'm better looking."
You're fucking TWINS.
+Mr Clandestine "I have the bigger dick"
+WaddleDee105 Why does he know that?
+HyperBitHero top banter tbh m8
+HyperBitHero More like *HOW* does he know that, y'know what I mean!?
Perhaps Ninja Theory had a cutscene deleted that explained it. :^)
Ignoring absolutely everything else, there is one thing I like about this Vergil.
His coat and the pattern on his back. It looks badass.
I agree! Much more interesting than Dante’s “edgy” coat
Apparently even Itsuno likes it because dmc 5 vergil wears something similar. Having cool patterns with a mostly black outfit.
Loved his hair as well, very reminiscent of DMC1 when Nelo unmasks himself.
I have to disagree with some things of the coat
While the patterns are indeed badass it just looks like he’s wearing a half ass made trench coat that was cut with scissors I like the original three tails then the tail on the right side of his leg and the other revealed it just looks ugly
@@cake6851 I thought DMC5 Vergil’s coat was dark blue?
You know you've done fucked up in a Devil May Cry game when the "climactic" boss fight is compared to a boss fight from Sonic 06.
+Marius Urucu And even that boss seems more climactic than DmC Mundus just because of the better music that isn't wob wob wob wob...
+XXNemesisXXXX Come to think of it, you're right. The music alone makes that fight a bit more enjoyable than DmC Mundus. Oh sorry, I meant Mahndus.
+Marius Urucu It was like the Savior from DMC4...but somehow ever worse.
Because at least the Savior fight, for all of its flaws, felt like you were taking a colossal juggernaut of a demon down while simultaneously having to fight off its flunkies in the process.
The Mundus fight...hell, I'd take that lame on-rails shooting section from the end of DMC1 over that garbage!
+Marius Urucu To be fair he compared the "sparda" fight in dmc3 to a boss fight in Sonic Adventure.
Sonic Adventure is a better game but still...
+shooterb0y23 Yeah, but Sonic Adventure is a great game.
"Villian" : Why did you kill my child and lover? :'(
"Hero": Cause it was funny! Huurrrr
Pan Z poor monday I'm sad he died :'( at least he might be with his wife I hope :'(
but he did lol, he kill himself and became insane in dlc
"Vergil": Haha, Gun go Brr
Well he had to get Mundus’ angry
Remember writers: Morally Ambiguous actions doesnt equal Deep Character. A Deep Character is much, much more than their actions.
Shit, morally ambiguity comes when a character understands AND REFLECTS the ambiguity of the action.
"Oh we had a slight misunderstanding and now I have to descend into madness and you're all dead to me because I killed you in my mind." Holy shit XD
Yeah I feel Vergil's transformation was a little forced...
vergil: we did it bruh
dante: hell yeah we did
vergil: so hey I'm evil now
dante: fo real?!
vegirl: yeah I want to rule over humanity, wanna join bruh?
dante: nah bruh
vergil: aw come on bruh
dante: I hate you now
vergil: I hate you too, I'm gonna beat you now with these skills I just so happen to know and NEVER USED in the entire game
dante: bruuuuuhhhhh
BRUH
Which is really weird because the whole game is spent telling you how weak Vergil is and he just pops up evil.
MrViral20 that's Dmc:devil may cry ending in a nutshell for ya
This is great.
What’s a “DMC”?
2001 DMC: After encountering Dante twice, Nelo Angelo regains his consciousness and reveals that he was Vergil, now under the control of the Devil Emperor Mundus. He and Dante fight once more, with Dante ultimately victorious and left to mourn the loss of his possessed brother.
2003 DMC2: Vergil does not appear, nor is he referenced.
2005 DMC3: Vergil challenges Dante to a battle to trick him into coming so Vergil could take his half of the perfect amulet, and enter the demon world to gain the power of their father Sparda which was sealed away. After the man he was working with betrayed him and stole Sparda’s power for himself, Vergil and Dante team up to stop the madman making a mockery of their father’s legacy, before squaring off one last time. Vergil is unable to move on past his pursuit of power and willingly plunged himself into the depths of Hell after telling Dante to leave him (even rejecting his brother trying to reach out to him), before going out in a blaze of glory fighting against his father’s enemy: Mundus.
2008 DMC4: Nero acquires the Yamato, Vergil’s Sword, and defeats the Order of the Sword. Vergil himself does not appear, though he is referenced.
2013 DmC: After an entire game of “Dante” and “Vergil” trying to “save” the world, “Vergil” just decides to be evil at the end I guess, and tries to get you to join him.
2019 DMC5: After Vergil splits himself into Urizen and V, V begins to realize all the horrible stuff Vergil did. He teams up with Dante and Nero, makes an attempt to almost apologize to Lady for DMC3, and then Dante tells Urizen how their mom tried to save Vergil too but she died before getting the chance, and when V And Urizen reunite into Vergil he begins to question his life. Nero, after learning about his heritage, fights the real Vergil and convinces him to finally turn over a new leaf, but Vergil still being... well Vergil, throws his son, Nero, his book (one of his most treasured possessions), but also tells him that he won’t lose next time.
And people still say DmC had a better story, somehow.
People claim DmC had a better story? The actual fuck? I didn't watch any of the promotional material for DMC 5, and I got into the series in 2019. I finished 3 and 4 and attempted one but it just felt way to archaic to me. When I got into five I was actually stunned by the story beats and I loved the game and its ending. I've only seen some of the clips of DmC, but I only need one to know enough about the game, that being the one where Donte and a boss keep telling each other to go fuck themselves with the boss saying she would, what was the exact phrasing btw, rip off his head and piss on his corpse or something like that?
What people actually mean to say is that “DmC: devil may cry has better *THEMES*” because the themes in that game are moderately decent, but the story and the way it’s told are utter nonsense
Now, that’s not to say they’d be any less wrong, a preference in themes is subjective and there’s not a lot of ways you can say “This theme is better than this one!” Unless one of the themes is blatantly stupid e.g. “nazi’s are good” or “video games make people violent”
The people claiming DmC had a good story either shills or people that never like devil may cry. There is nothing redeemable about that westernized piece of shit its garbage on every level its actually offensive.
Correction:
2019 DMC 5
*IAMTHESTORMTHATISAPPROACHING!!!*
@@marzeloperas PROVOKING!!!
7:15 We did it Patrick we saved the city!
+Presipizle's Productivity Protest All's well that ends well, right?
Lmao your comment deserves more love
I laugh when people say DMC was just anime cliches but what about DmC: Devil May Cry Dlc where it had "hollow Vergil" I was half expecting Ichigo to come out or vergil to pull out a zanpaktou
Anime? Not really a bad thing.
I know it just that people say DMC : devil may cry is better for not being based on anime
If I'm remember right, the guy who made the reboot said he didn't want to the game too Japanese so taking a idea from Japanese anime is ok right it doesn't make the game too Japanese right??
Devil May Cry wasn't based around any anime's, the original first DMC was actually going to be Resident Evil 4. But because the game was a lot more action based, the developer decided to switch the zombies with demons, and Leon with - you guessed it, Dante. It's what he looks somewhat similar in facial features to Leon from previous titles, but eh.
But yeah, if anything, the reboot had more anime cliches than the original games.
It still doesn't change the fact that DMC story is simple as fuck and DmC surpassed it. Which wasn't hard to achieve and I won't defend the quality and depth of the latter.
I want to see fan-art with Virgil going about the planet with a mega-phone telling people "DON'T DO THAT!" with a no-no finger waving.
He'd just awkwardly move up from behind something in the middle of whatever and start scolding people.
People having sex? He pops up at the front of the bed and just makes a pouty face "DON'T DO THAT!"
ISIS killing people? His head pops up in a tank. "DON'T DO THAT!"
Abortion clinics? ... Oh wait he doesn't seem to have a problem with that.
+TakTheFox You're doing God's work.
Congratualtions, you have killed me. XD
+TakTheFox a dude getting robbed, he just teleports behind the robber and says
DONT DO DAT
oh wait, i am supposed to don't give a shit
okay, go on with your daily lives
+TakTheFox OH LAWD MY SIDES
+TakTheFox PERFECT
And then DMC5 comes along and the Vergil we know and love quite literally steals the entire game's show with only 20 mins of screentime in a 10 ish hour game
Beyond the obvious I always saw Vergil's biggest strength as an antagonist being his disregard for giving us a reason why he is the way he is. Sure there are some underlying threads leading back to his mother but at the end of the day he doesn't need to justify himself to anyone in his eyes. He has his goals and nobody is going to stand in his way, end of. And that gives him such a rock solid, yet mysterious vibe of conviction it's impossible not to be wowed by him.
Yeah but i mean you could use that for any antagonist who doesn't show us why they are like that it just sounds like lazy writing to me
Exactly. He doesn't even hate humanity because to him, humanity are rodents that are simply there and if they get caught up in everything - they're just collateral damage.
@@skippitylip6524 Well there's a lot of "open to interpretation" with the character. That's why I loved him in DMC3. He erected the tower to bring hell onto Earth just so he could ascertain power. But to do what exactly? I always thought he was on this quest for power because he secretly blamed his own father for not being their to save Eva, Dante and Vergil's mother. So his whole path was trying to be the man he wanted to believe his father was.
In DmC, I do feel NT missed some vital notes with trying to make Vergil more believable. But I did like his psychosis, falling into madness because he was left, after being beaten by Dante, to question himself on why he lost. In doing so, he started to question aspects of himself and create demons through his own thoughts that in turn pushed him deeper. I thought that was actually neat on a psychological level because it makes you wonder what Mundus did to Vergil after DMC3. Surely it wasn't so much as, "Oop, you touched me and now I'll name you Nelo Angelo!"
Well, now with DMC5 out, you can have all the answers.
@@FatalFist I definitely get the desire to see stories which psychoanalyse the main character but oof, the scenes in Vergin's downfall did not help. Shout out to Vergin mentally killing Donte without a boss fight.
Can I just say I am so goddamn tired of video game organizations being named so terribly.
You know, "The Order" from DmC, "The Militia" from inFAMOUS 2, it's just so stupid.
It's not hard to make an organization with a name that makes sense. Take Prototype for example, the militia unit is called Blackwatch, and they hey WATCH for the BLACKlight virus.
It's not genius, but at least they weren't called "The anti-virus military" or something.
+Ferfles can't call them good guys after them "saving city".
+Victor Viridian Maybe I'm wrong but I thought it, like the blue rose, was a reference to DMC 4. If I remember correctly, the group that Nero was apart of was the Order of the Sword.
sofakingimmature Yes I do believe so.
LOL. I always thought Umbrella corporation sounds pretty cool.
About inFAMOUS 2, they are called the militia... because they are a militia. There is no point in naming a movement that literally could not afford to spend time coming up with a name. It isn't like with Cole who single-handedly puts Empire City into and out of chaos thus earning the name "Demon of Empire City". Like there is no reason for the militia to come up with a name, they aren't some kind of fantasy world group of rebels trying to usurp a country, they are militia wanting to take back their city and put things back to normal.
"But soon they shall know this nephilim's power.
A nephilim greater than they ever imagined.
The power of a nephilim of Sparda."
nephilim = sayain
+HyperBitHero im your prom date you ugly sack of shit
Hilarious ! Great video.
"but soon the flame will fade, and only a nephilim will remain."
Ups wrong video game
+HyperBitHero
why are you giving this any apologism?
bad writing is just that. bad writing. it does not had any narrative value or quality, so it's useless to talk about it in any relevant manner.
1r0zz it allows Nice puns ;)
Those 2 extra cutscenes of Vergil in DMC4SE were more interesting than any time Vergin appears in both DmC and his DLC.
+Darkrlos He had better dialogue as well.
It just wasn't "nearly Shakespearian."
+Darkrlos I'm not the only one who calls him Vergin! YES!
i can't deny that tho..
His few minutes appearance was more epic than this whole shameful game ninja Theory literally turned gold into shit
I kind of liked him in DmC to be honest, they tried to bring more life into him. His move set was awesome and his DLC did kind of make the character more real proving he was a narcissist. He corrupted himself because he was fighting his own subconscious. Granted, Vergil of DMC3 and 5 is loads better because the character is so ambiguous and incognito. In DMC3, he didn't hate humanity... they were just in the way.
5:38 WAIT WAIT WAIT. Flip their roles for a second. If Dante was the villian, he would appear to be a total sadist that the player would want to brutally slaughter. He's acting like Volgin from MGS3. Mundus would be the sympathetic character the player would hope pulverizes Dante
+Pan Z Uh, I wanted to see Mundus wreck his smug ass anyway...
+Pan Z So Dante would be like "Kuwabara, Kuwabara" with Alastor then?
***** At least Volgin didn't make fun of murdered unborn children
> Trilby
> Katana
> Sort of a trenchcoat
> Teleports behind Mundus before unzipping his katana
I didn't think it was possible for this game to get any cringier.
SuperLlama42 I’ll take a “dark soul with light” more seriously than this
*I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE TO FILL YOUR DARK SOUL WITH LIEIAGIHT*
Devil May Cry is the coolest game franchise while DmC is the cringiest
5:33 Yea, the climatic dialogue that establishes our hero as the undeniable force of good, and the demonic villain as pure evil, probably shouldn't have the villain (in a mildly depressing tone) ask why the hero ended the life of his unborn child, and then have the hero justify his actions by claiming it was entertaining to murder an unborn child and amusing to watch the father's distress as it happened.
I thought that was kind of twisted to be honest, in a cool way. Fuck Mundus, his child would have been a shit head anyways.
FatalFist
No it is not. Murdering an “Unborn” child for the sins of the father was not “cool”. You cant really justify your “heroic” actions when you have kill a kid, and subsequently sacrifice millions of innocent humans to the father’s wrath. Their whole plan of merging limbo and reality was stupid too, as demons are free to roam around and slaughter whomever they want. Think a little next time you want to be edgy.
@@Joawlisdoingfine Sins of the father? Lilith wasn't innocent herself either.
FatalFist
Im pretty sure Not-Vergil pulled the trigger in an attempt to emotionally wound Mundus and stop another Demon King from rising, so “The Sins of The Father” line still applies. Lilith despite being rather disgusting, didnt need to see her own baby explode from within her. Demons have feelings too you know. Goes to show how vile the scene really is, as simply shooting her first would have been a little kinder than the kid first. But hey, anything to get some cheap shock value and some sort of set up to the Virgil “misunderstanding”. God this game is bad.. Also no comment or justification for that rather tasteless display of angst? If so good on you for being rather accepting overall, and I hope the negative feelings you had while commenting are long gone now, and you have a happy life
That scene where Vergil tells Dante about his past and how only a nephilim can defeat the demon lord shows just how small minded the authors actually are. When you plaster the walls with graffiti that clearly represents your story and you even focus on it more than the characters, you fucking failed. They couldn't have shoved it farther into our faces if they tried. There is no subtext, there is no symbolism, no metaphors, it's just showing us the literal meaning of what Vergil is saying like a coloring book or a kids show for five year olds.
And it also doesn't make any sense. Why is that shit even there? Yeah, having one painting in the background that resembles the meaning could be believeable. But this? it just comes off as trying too hard and takes you even further out of the game.
The worst part is, that I don't get it. Was this written by completely different people than Enslaved? Because that game actually had very clever designs that both worked in terms of "Journey to the West" and the world the game takes place in. The story in that game also tried way to hard and never understand the subtle use of symbolism, but in DmC it's just terrible. I honestly thought this was done by edgy tryhard high schoolers who just watched Fight Club for the first time.
+SpeckObst it was written by a completely different people then enslaved
what probably happened with enslaved was Tameem (the head of ninja theory) wrote his script and then the others just threw it out and wrote a good script
but that didn't happen this time Tameem probably pulled a George Lucas and got rid of anyone who questioned his writing
Honestly I thought that was the most absolutely self absorbed pretentious bullshit you can do with explaining the detail of any narrative within story telling. Absolutely reminded me of this edgy writting elitist asshat I had the great displeasure of having creative writing classes with in college. Trolling around in his dumbass fedora, litterally critiquing everyone's work with the utmost sense of self importance and then get emotionally bitchy when people don't approve of his work.
.... Sounds a lot like Taneem.
you knows whats worse? thats not even original art the game devolpers created, those graffiti paintings existed before this game.
i remember seeing a few of them on deviant art
fusiontoa18 Oh dude that's a dick move, laziness much?
I'm not the only one that thinks this version of Vergil looks like Fred from Scooby Doo, right?
lmao, this fucking game.
Oh my god... lol
+WaddleDee105 i cannot unsee it.
Sckarton Good.
dont call him vergil...call him vagil
Virgin*
Not much more to add. You got it pretty spot on. It's weird when the guy who ripped an innocent woman's heart out with his bare hands in front of her son is one of the most sympathetic characters.
+The4thSnake Why did Mandus let go of child Donte? He could have easily killed him.
Darkrlos Oh, that's easy. It's because...
...
...
Uh...
Lazy writing?
The4thSnake
B-b-but Ninja Theory
+The4thSnake I think it's because it's not in his character to kill children. There's a reason for mandass capturing dontey into his own prison instead of just kill him. wait? you didn't know dontey got captured and was rescued by vorgul and Kat? there was a shitty prequel comic tells a story how vorgul made the order and used superman's kiss to erase both his and Kat's memory for being a couple.
Sckarton I own that comic for some reason. It's a real shame that the only completed DMC comic project ever was related to the reboot.
It's kind of funny how the original Vergil is a power-hungry but admirably clever and honourable character - he hides his emotions, but he's not evil, just misguided. He's surprisingly sincere about everything he does, and has no illusions about nobility. Almost definitely has an inferiority complex, and he wants power for power's sake (it would guarantee him physical safety, though not psychological safety).
The reboot Vergil is more expressive, and he seems to pursue power and freedom because he is self-conscious about his strength (which is kind of like a retcon to make him more similar to OG Vergil, since we get this insight from the DLC), but he conceals his powerlust by claiming humans need a ruler. He killed Lilith, but worse, he killed the child first. Stabbed Mundus from behind. He wanted everybody around him to die for perceived slights, not actual conflicts. This to me differs him immensely from OG Vergil - reboot Vergil is a liar and dishonourable. And unlike Vergil, who despite being a bastard, conceals a good side, reboot Vergil conceals a deep ugliness inside of him and convinces himself he's righteous.
Yeah, he has an inferiority complex because he was literally almost killed since he was weak.
A "bastard", huh? You don't know what a real bastard looks like, let alone what an actual scumbag is capable of. Now do you?
For you to resort to insulting this character...
I can't help but wonder what that says about you, y'know what I mean?
Because what I think, is that no human should be treated as inferior compared to someone else.
Because that is exactly the type of thinking that creates conflict, and terrorization.
I cannot tell you how long I had to deal with shit like this, and how much suffering this has caused. Not just for me, but for so many other people as well. Those are the type of situations that are caused by the actual bastards, and Vergil is certainly *not* one of them.
Well said
This is a good analysis. The thing is, people are too absorbed about the mainline version, ignoring the fact this Vergil ISN'T supposed to be exactly like the original.
The reboot version is honestly his own complicated character and although the dlc sheds his psychological issues, only scratches the surface and also because they never did plan to make a dlc anyway and when they did they were forced on a tight deadline of releasing it in 6 months or so, after the main game's release.
When a 10 years late sequel fleshes out a character more than full on reboot
nephilim is the hybrid between humans and fallen angel. Even that they got wrong.
As I'm sure you already know. I really suggest playing this game in Spanish. It adds a whole new layer of soap opera cheese that you'll love it in a whole new way!
Listen to this guy! Trust me, Donte becomes more tolerable!
+Black “The Lonely” Knight Donte, el exterminador de demonios.
PolarPhantom llamame Donte, el exterminador de demonios, a que suena bien?
I'm still asking myself why the hell Capcom allowed this...
Vergil Oh, hey, it's the real Vergil! :o
Money
@@YourBuddyTom01 hey nero
Kenji Inafune prevented DMC V at the time for this shite
CrapCom ad always
Inb4 DmC apologists complain about how "deep" and "realistic" this Vorgil is.
+Lord Dagger I'm still befuddled *why* Capcom chose to go in this route with the series instead of creating it like a very loose spiritual successor (barely) instead of trying to replace an established series with this whatthefuckery version.
It's even weirder with people trying to connect the series with one another and just...no. Hell, NT even (I'm hoping purposely) got the lore wrong about Nephilim just for the sake of their story. Fuck is wrong with ya'll Capcom for letting this out?!
ras144 to bad that god is good
To be fair, he was much more animated than in DMC3. So they tried to make him more human in the regards of being relatable and he is, if you interpret the DLC as such. People wrestle between narcissism and self conscious thoughts, that's why they're narcissists. But he is by no means deeper than Vergil in DMC3.
That being said, even DMC5 kind of disappoints me with how they handled Vergil.
@@FatalFist dmc5 handled vergil fine
Due to vergil finally achieving what he wished for most (to remove his human half) said human half realized how futile his efforts were
.from there once vergil was whole again he had grown from the experience and rebirth, dante thwn proceeded to challenge him to finish things and in the end the two actually start to act like brothers
Thus both dante and vergil have completed their character arcs
Dante about embracing his inner demon
And vergil about embracing his humanity
Also the whole feeling betrayed and thinking he was left behind when eva died was a good additiin to his motivation
I consider dmc5 vergil to be stellar
@@V2ULTRAKill
Actual development that peaked at the best DMC game> Disappointing.
Badly written characters with cntradicting concepts backing their incredibly bland and unfitting personalities, while no clear development is anywhere in sight> better.
Yeah. That checks out.
This is honestly like a bad movie adaptation, I almost can't believe it's a game.
+Apples Malus Best review ever.
oldmanglitch
I was thinking more in the lines of Resident Evil of which you can see an example on this channel. That's almost a mean comparison though.
+Apples Malus If the DMC Reboot was supposed to be a live action reboot of an anime, it still sucks
+oldmanglitch Makes me think of the awful 97 Godzilla movie from Tristar everything is wrong
+JayDee284 They got some things right the old one failed at though.
"Never show that face before me again." ~ *Vergil sheathes his Yamato*
"The Nephilim (plural) are the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" in Genesis 6:4, or giants who inhabit Canaan in Numbers"
Nothing about demons
It's a 2 second google search
Good job Ninja Theory
+JJF Vergil and Dante are Nephalem, not Nephilim
+Itzakadoozie Oh so they're Diablo 3 characters now?
+Henry Narukami its spelled in the game as Nephalem. and if you google Nephalem Physiology you can find some bullshit pages on it referencing Dante and Vergil from some bullshit comic book super power wiki or something. i didnt make it up, im just saying that theres apparently a difference.
I think they just spelled Nephilim wrong either on purpose or on accident and just didn't do researh...
Besides
It's already been established that Palademon's are Half-Human, Half-Angel
+JJF I don't want to defend DMC:DMC, but that's often interpreted as fallen angels or fallen angels that possessed men. Remember even the devil was a son of God.
Can't wait for the DmC-Apologist make bullshit excuses defending this bastarization of Vergil.
Don't forget the classic but ever-retarded, "At least Dante and Vergil are acting like brothers SHOULD!"
Those people are a special type of brain dead.
***** holy crap, this guy just nailed it.
+ClipOnSunglasses [ ] "Go back to play your japanesy weaboo games."
(Quote taken from DmC-Apologist Threat Lo )
+Sonickick120reborn Meh, I liked DmC as much as I liked the original series and even I admit the much hyped up better story and characterization kinda fell flat. I still liked it though. Different strokes for different folks.
wiseguy240 Winston
There's a legit reason he wanted power. It's called SUBTEXT. It's in his actions and his words. Vergil wants to gain power so that he will never lose anything close to him ever again, like how he and Dante lost their mom to a demon sent by Mundus.
"Might controls everything - and without strength, you cannot protect anything; let alone yourself."
That line he said to Dante after defeating him the first time speaks volumes of his motivation. Notice how he never tried to legitimately kill Dante until their final encounter. It's because he was trying his damnedest to convince Dante to embrace his demon heritage because he genuinely cares for his brother, unlike bitch-boy, fedora tipping Vino.
He seeks power so that he can become better than his father yet ironically abhors human weakness and hates himself for being half human. Sparda risked his life to defend humanity and fight for those he loved. Vergil is a hypocrite who considers human weak, yet fails to realize they possess a quality most demons lack, possibly what drove Sparda to fall in love with a human woman in the first place.
Vergil's goal is an ironically cruel fate in the grand scheme of things. He wishes to become the most powerful demon, not to rule the demon world or even dominate humans, but so that he will be unchallenged and never lose anyone dear to him again. The irony is that the only one who he has left is his brother, Dante, and at the end of it all is willing to kill him to achieve his goal. Which will leave him with nothing when you think about it, really nailing home how insane Vergil truly is. Another reason why he doesn't completely answer Dante's question is because he TRULY doesn't know what he'll do once he obtains his power. His whole life was centered around pursuing power that, should he obtain it, what he sacrificed to get it will just leave it a hollow victory.
i just want a sequal to DMC4....
It might be happening, since DMC4 SE was a success. They've hinted it and stuff
+night1952
It sold more than the DmC Definitive Edition, so yeah.
Rene p Soares people give it a lot of shit, but i think it's awesome all over, and the special edition even more. All the characters are awesome to play
I'll hate to see how reboot Nero, Trish and Lady would be like
Grim1952 Can we have a whole game for a sequel this time? Thanks, boss.
Glad to see you tackle this bastardization of Vergil. He really felt schizophrenic in terms of writing and story.Thanks, Hyperbit. Great video
Maybe that was the goal
Maybe that was the goal
Having played through all 4 Devil May Cry games (with 3 being my favourite and 4 nearly hitting the mark), I'm happy. Happy, because I now have every right to legitimately pan DmC and call Ninja Theory out on their bullshit. Devil May Cry 3 was much simpler in terms of story than in this game, yet it did so much more.
Dante's crushing defeat at the hands of Vergil atop the tower was genuinely impactful, and Vergil himself saw no other way than his own. He stuck to his convictions, selfish though it may be, and stopped at nothing to purge the world of the weak. Despite being the main antagonist, he made a lot of valid points, like when he tells Dante that without power, he will never be able to protect the things he loves. Instead of crying and bruding over his defeat, Dante picks himself right back up with his new-found Devil Trigger awakened. He's still alive, and he knows that as long as he's alive, he has to see this through to the end. He knows there's no time for doubts, and doing so would be a betrayal of who he is. The only way to save the world from Vergil is by surpassing him whist sticking to his own convictions. He gains the power Vergil spoke of, but through his own way, and his faith in humanity that drives him.
Yeah, I know it sounds very cliche, but the cutscenes managed to convey all of those raw emotions and inspirational themes without spoon-feeding it to the audience. The extreme difficulty curve of the game actually adds to the whole experience, too. You have to earn the right to meet Vergil in the final mission. The game's tough, but incredibly fun and addictive. Each fight is well-designed and fair to the player. You have all the tools you need to win, you just have to do your part. The combat system requires the player to mix up their moves with flashy combos whilst dodging the enemy's attacks and taunting them to reach the SSS (Stylish) rank, earning them more rewards and making for one of the best combat systems in any game. Let's also remember that all of this happened in glorious 60fps, even on PAL PS2's, when Capcom finally decided to give UK players the option to play in 60Hz.
Compare all of that to this... DmC: Devil May Cry. 30fps unless you're lucky enough to have waited for the Definitive edition to experience it, a deeper yet still stupid story full of teenage angst and nursery-level politcal commentary that they force-feed you to leave little to the imagination, a dumbed-down combat system in which you can spam the same moveset repeatedly to get SSS (as well as a colour-coded enemy mechanic, because Ninja Theory forgot that they were making a hack'n'slash game and not fucking Ikaruga), super saiyan fights apparently (you can mindlessly slash away at enemies in mid-air now with minimal effort and no sense of accomplishment, unlike with Nero's awesome grabbing mechanic which took skill AND rewarded you with a higher combo rank and extra damage to enemies), and shitter, more detestable counter parts to the ones found in the better games. It doesn't help that Ninja Theory thought they were the big I Am because Capcom let them make the game, and because they had "better hardware than the first three games", it automatically means everything they bring to the table is better than what came before it. I get it. It's a reboot. It's supposed to be different. But you can't tell me that the "Not in a million years..." scene isn't an immature and shameful reaction to die-hard fans on their part, can you? And how can you not blame people like HyperBitHero, GamingBrit, GamingSins e.t.c for comparing Ninja Theory's defication to the superior games it's based on?
Sure, I wouldn't mind giving the Definitive Edition a try whenever I get a PS4, but I'm also going to be basking in DMC4: Special Edition's combat mechanics and Legendary Dark Knight mode at the same time, this time with the much better Vergil than Bigger Dick Vergil. On it's own, DmC is not a bad game overall. It is enjoyable if you let yourself enjoy it. But damn... It's just so depressing to know that Angry Joe's review of it is the most popular Devil May Cry-related video on TH-cam. It doesn't deserve that coverage. I don't care if you're an inexperienced player at the hack-and-slash genre. So was I when I played the first 2 Devil May Cry games. They did a good enough job of easing me in to the genre, and by that time, I was ready to tackle the third game again and this time get past the second boss (granted, I was also ready for anything more exciting than DMC2). There's no excuse for you not to get the originals before DmC, especially considering how cheap they are second-hand.
Well, there's my long-winded take-rant on the whole situation. I'd like to thank HyperBitHero for really putting into perspective the reasons why DmC is so flawed in the character department, because we're not just angry about Dante's hair, contrary to what all the ignorant, trailer-trash nay-sayers who don't know the meaning of the word research like to say.
+NintendanGX Oh, and I nearly forgot. Devil May Cry's dialogue wasn't mind-blowing, but at least it's not as sloppily-written, "edgy" and thoughtless as DmC's. Okay, I've said my piece.
+NintendanGX Not to mention the 1st 3 original DMC games are available for Xbox 360 and PS3 in an awesome HD collection that even includes the special edition version of DMC 3. Not many people know this, but because of complaints about how easy DMC 2 was Capcom released DMC 3 in America with the Japanese hard mode as the American normal mode. DMC 3: Special Edition finally allows American players the option to play the "real" (aka Japanese) normal mode. The point I'm trying to make is that if anyone here wanted to play DMC 3 but was turned off by the game's difficulty the special edition is out there for PS2 and as part of the HD collection for PS3 and Xbox 360. In addition, I want people to know you don't have to own a PS2 to play the original DMC trilogy on a console. There is literally no excuse, if you've played the original version DmC: Devil May Cry you can play the original trilogy and DMC 4 just as easily on the same consoles. I won't judge you too harshly, however, if you choose to skip DMC 2. DMC 2 just sucks.
+NintendanGX
almost everything that Dante says in DMC4 is quotable thats amazing
+NintendanGX: Respect, extremely well written article about the main difference between DMC3 & DmC.
DMC3's story is simple but extremely well presented. Most of the story and true intention of the characters are expressed through subtle dialogs & their expression instead of those forceful dump-downed Sssshakespearan conversation. DMC3 is still one of my top 5 video game of all time.
Since you guys seem to know what you're talking about do you mind if I ask, should I get into this game? I'm pretty damn bad at hack and slash. But also, what order should I play them in?
I listen to your videos a lot while I’m working and I only just noticed the Sonic 06 footage
“Priceless”
"Oh, I didn't tell you I was evil LOL"... Followed up with Family Guy - esque "Oh, no!... Oh no!... Oh no!....""OH YEAH!!!!!!!!"
9 years later and I still love playing this game. If it wasn't for this game introducing me to this series I wouldn't have gotten DMC 1-5 in the first place.
I recall listening to a couple of podcasts back in 2013 praising the games story and characters IGN and Joystiq especially lol it's like they're standards of what's compelling is dreadfully low
+HollowIchigo136 Games Media has a tendency to be very anti-Japanese and ignorant about that side of gaming, unless Nintendo or Sony is involved and even then they also fuck up there.
Plus they don't know how to play video games so I doubt they reached the end of DMC3
+ew275x it would not surprise me if they were paid to only say positive things about the game. i remember alot of journalist ignoring all the positive things about the older games and telling people to shut up and buy dmc.
zyonhunter
Nah, they don't know any of the advanced techniques in the game. Plus it had everything a games journalist loves that allow them to make the game get good scores:
- Lots of cutscenes
- Dumbed down battle system that allows them to get SSS by just attacking
- Stupidly easy to complete
- "Pretty" graphics
- Serious story, because games journalist hate campy stories because they are pretentious twits.
- A reason to attack gamers because they didn't like the game
I feel like most game journalists don't meet the requirements that reviewers/journalists meet in other fields, and because of that, they aren't qualified to critique certain aspects of games.
They know how to look for bullet points, ie. are the graphics "advanced", are the controls streamlined, do the people in these cutscenes sound like they act for a living, and is there an interesting mechanic or two.
Problem is that the people that watch IGN videos tend to only really care about that stuff. The smarter guys in the business tend to get the most hate from the community when they release a review that looks deeper into things (usually narrative and pacing). It's like when Sessler gave uncharted 3 a 4 out of 5 and everyone went crazy.
kratosmaycry The problem is that those both perspectives ignore gameplay, how many games journalists do you think know how to dodge in MGR:R? Or have made a challenge run? Or know fighting game combos?
if this game was not called devil may cry and something else, it would just be an average action game people would forget after a month of its release.
But since it has devil my cry in the name we dont forgive or forget
Was that "Hollow Virgil" fight straight from Bleach?
Why does everyone compare it to bleach...?
+Brandon Lorenzo (Ragnarok) Because it looks so similair.
Oh....
+Rik van Elst Doesn't really look similar only he's just called Hollow Vergil so people say it's like Bleach because his name says Hollow.
Zen Razor that's dumb...
This game gives us a glimpse of what would happen if Netflix or Fox made a DMC movie/series the wrong way.
I never understood why they called it Devil trigger in this game. The powers being tapped are both angelic, and demonic. Devil trigger is weaker then both if you've got two supernatural abilities.
Vergil never shows any kind of battle prowess in the main game itself. He's just the intellect. So the final boss battle felt out of nowhere and there was no buildup. In the end you're just beating up some guy with brains, not a super skilled, deadly swordsman.
Also, the "yehmahto".
This game is terrible.
I honestly have to wonder what this Vergil would have been like if they'd gone with the _original_ version of DMC's Dante. There might have been some interesting conflict between this Vergil and a smoking, antisocial Dante. What does he think of the fact that his brother is constantly getting into trouble with the demonic forces of the world? What does he feel about the Dante basically being a depressive smoker?
Unfortunately since they tried to appease fans (and failed by not appeasing them enough) we'll probably never get to see that interaction.
+Chewable Arsenic Candies You know, now that I think about it, a drug-addict Dante would be very interesting if they retained that aspect of his character.
This Dante would have had more potential to grow as a character because in the very first trailer for DmC, Dante being interrogated implies that he's been through so much with Mundus and the Demons that his perspective towards his life would clash with Vergil's own throughout DmC.
The drugs iteslf would serve as an interesting story element in that it would have also explained how Dante learned to use Rebellion, gained lots of experience in doing all types of odd jobs (which would help foreshadow the establishment of his own shop).
I know it can be apalling at first, but I'm sure that if Ninja Theory pulled this off right, Dante would have quit smoking eventually anyway; I was never bothered by that part of his character. I was bothered by the fact that when I was watching that trailer, that they changed his personality. And THAT would be a more pressing issue.
Either way, both the main games and DmC leave so much to be desired in terms of the story. How can I know more about these characters and the lore when there is so little to explore?
Fedora
Trenchcoat
Le anonymoose
Katana
Le hacker skills
Le gentleman rejected
Teleports behind you
Is like they did it on purpose
This game is an embarrassment and should never be touched upon again. What we need from the REAL series is a game for Sparda, Vergil, and perhaps one to properly flesh out Nero. Nero has a lot of potential and deserves better.
+DevilHunterJames And so the DMC fans *still* await the announcement of DMC5...
Xilivian4560 It'll be worth it when it does happen. I may have to burst into tears.
DevilHunterJames Me too man, me too.
Xilivian4560 *Gets to the chorus of Never Surrender* We'll fight until eternity! Come with me, we'll stand and fight together!!
DevilHunterJames That song and the ending with Dante walking off after his farewells to Nero is always what I picture when I think of "the end" of the real DMC, and the hopes and dreams of an eventual 5. Gives me the chills just about every time I think how powerful that scene is, and how much better it seems overall watching it as the years pass by.
Something good about DmC is that vergil has his own story
I'm glad DMC4SE came out it's good to play as the True Vergil of DMC again. Seriously after everything that has happened with DmC I'm glad it's not getting a sequel. Let's just focus on the future of Devil May Cry series with DMC5.
Amen. Even Capcom knows the reboot was a failure, they said so in their 3 year report.
www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/oar/2014/message/verification.html
Soon the REAL Devil May Cry will return, and to be honest, I rewatched the ending to DMC4, and I cried when Nero asked Dante "will we meet again"?
And whaddya know? The answer is HELL YEAH!
***** Who knows man will have to look forward to the future of DMC and to also give Vergil his own game.
***** I talked about that a while back where if Capcom or Itsuno plans to bring Vergil back it has to be a DMC game where Dante finds out he's alive and searches for him or Rescues him from Hell.
Actually the Main bad guy would be Mundus. In DMC1 he didn't die so he would want revenge against Dante. There should also be an epic Final Battle between Dante and Vergil vs Mundus.
***** I can see more powerful demons in the underworld but Mundus is the ruler so he must have a "Real" spawn of his to take over his place if he falls. There is no way they are going to forget Nero he's Vergil's son they need to put him in the next DMC game and give him a "True" Devil Trigger.
***** Who knows what other Demons exist in the DMC world they could make new ones and bring back a few that deserve a 2nd chance *Cough* Argosax the Chaos *Cough*
Vergil's Hollow form? So wait....when did Bleach come into Devil May Cry?
Ever since team ninja got involved
@ ninja theory. Team Ninja made way better stuff than this
@@mycycleminorities Oh my god wtf is wrong with me lol. I meant ninja theory. Team ninja made some of my most beloved games ever.
@ its alright it was a simple mistake
the music in the beginning is: "also sprach brooks" from catherine
What's the music at the end? I'm pretty sure it's from No More Heroes, but I don't remember the song name.
+EpicShadow26 'It's kill or be killed' from No More Heroes 2.
thesecondkat Thank you.
Hopefully, we will get DMC5, with original gameplay and story.
Master Vidxad 58 and we did yey
@@petrsauer8240
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oh my god, that thing starting 6:55 where dante scream no, and then that "aaah" is so comedic to me, I burst out laughing. I forgot that gem existed.
Wait so vergil wore a fedora and teleported behind a character nothing personal style? Man...
And he has a Katana.
Nuthin PERSONNEL KID!!!!!
Once again you hit the nail on the head. This game had TERRIBLE characterization with Vergil, and heck, you KNOW he's inferior to the original when his Final Boss Battle is lame compared to the original.
@WarWolf Well, they're badly done because Dante is like a rebel teen at this age. Ideally this was to be his origin story where he later would grab a bike and set up a home in some rundown bar and then you'd have DMC3 some years later. So Dante's character made sense somewhat. Vergil on the other hand, he moved like the Vergil we love but they definitely twisted him with giving him a sick and twisted personality which I wasn't a fan of.
In DMC3, you know Vergil's twisted based on how he believes he killed Arkham. "To further your study in the black arts, you sacrificed your loving wife to become a devil as well. Knowing this, I thought you would be more use to me. But I was wrong." The delivery of that quote with how monotone and methodical Vergil is definitely paints a twisted personality behind a stoic shade.
It's actually not lame on harder difficulties Vergil pulls off fucking DMC3:SE Vergil combos
On devil hunter it's all oh Summoned swords rapidly slash and judgment cut that's hard right?
The DmC reboot would've been a good game if it was its own title. I liked the idea of corruption and brainwashing people through the media. Kinda like the illuminati. And the whole idea about Limbo was pretty cool but they fucked up the whole story for the Devil May Cry franchise, it pissed me off. I played the game for both Dante and Vergil and it did not make me want to play the story again like the other DMC games. I just hope Capcom makes a DMC5.
you got your wish
NT definitely missed some elements. I wouldn't say the game pissed me off and I do somewhat liked some of the moments Vergil had, I just thought they tried too hard to make him edgy and sadistic. I mean Vergil in DMC3 was twisted too but that was a product of, what I believed, was him loving his mother so dearly and not having a father to protect the one he loved - so Vergil went off in the pursuit of power so he would be the better man.
The idea that only a nephalim can slay a demon king in this game is utterly ridiculous. If that were the case, then wouldn't angels have lost whatever war they were fighting already?
Also in the official comic prequel of this game where Vergil meets Kat, they actually fall in love, which makes the entire sequence of Vergil's mood shifts even stranger.
The unmotivated Vergil: DMC
The *motivated* Vergil: Devil May Cry
Here's my opinion of the game
Gameplay- good
Story- good concept but could be executed better
Characters- god awful
I agree, the gameplay was awesome, the story is surprisingly good concept wise, shit in execution. The butchering of the characters was the worst part, and the new ones didnt add shit to the story,
@@Joawlisdoingfine only decent characters: bob barbas and the black guy
7:14
"We did it Patrick we saved the city"
Is it me or does Vergil look like Michael Fassbender?
I can't get over how he throws the summoned swords around like he's spiderman shooting webs.
The end plot twist was unbearable honestly. I could at least tolerate it more if he brought it up early on and came back to it multiple times in conversations with Dante. Maybe he could have had a struggle figuring out if it was right or wrong to control humans for the sake of protecting them from the demons and themselves leading to his ultimate decision at the end end to turn on Dante after he himself disagrees with the idea altogether.
Even THEN it still wouldn't work well enough because how would he be strong enough to fight Dante (The killer of Mundus) even though he had Dante go on all of these errandswtfisthisplothelpmeimdying.
There's alot of hidden hints in the game that give this conclusion, you probably just don't remember or didn't care at first
- in the first ever scene he appears, he was using a mask on tv trying to sway public opinion
- when dante meets him, you can see him on the shadows while dante is in the light
- about the only a nephilim can beat the demon king, there's that Demon vs Angel paint on the wall, Vergil on the demon side and Dante in the angel one
- he most of the times manipulates both dante and kat
- he literally killed mundus child, he did that before even killing lilith, just to piss off mundus, dante got really mad over that
So yeah, is that enough?
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Ugh. Poor Vergil deserved better. Although he is a villain I love him . OG Vergil had some sense of honor. He went to great lengths to get ultimate power because he considered himself weak and wanted to rid himself of his humanity.
You know what is sad? Sparda... In original DMC series He was a powerful demon capable to love humans . For the humanity he BEATS Mundus and sealed demon world. Then he took care of the people for 1000 years ,Later he married and fathered sons. And then He disappeared ....We still do not know what happened to him . In reebot he is average demon. Sparda was condemned by Mundus because of the relationship with an angel .... He was easily defeated and imprisoned . It's sad how the creators turned powerful , interesting and important character into weak , insignificant and repulsive . Sorry for bad english. I'm from Poland. You have got new spectator.
+Meshifuari Arimota ithank u the voice of reason you know what would have been cool a game were u play as sparda and we can find what happen to him
DmC is simply disgusting, I admit the combat is fluid and fun but the story and characters made me want to puke
beating all difficulty is not as hard as watching all the cutscene
LOL "beating all difficulty is not as hard as watching all the cutscene" brilliant
Shut up anime profile pic
SMouf nice argument
How is it disgusting? Except for the different haircuts they act like cocky assholes in all games.
Can't argue with you there. I was hoping that at least Kat would be a good character but even she flat out was just... Underwhelming to downright uninteresting. It really did culminate to what Antichrist2000 said, just an edgy circle-jerk that missed the train of 2005 where games with characters like this frolicked lol
Devil May Cry 3!Vergil: Foolishness, Ninja Theory. Foolishness...
After watching all of your very well done DMC videos I decided to try out the old games for the first time with the HD Collection. Can't wait!
Have fun!
I would actually love to see a sequel where Virgil is in Australia with a megaphone running a political campaign though.
Gotta love that after almost killing his brother, Dante still goes to cop a feel on Kat 10:48
Danti : "Who are you again ?"
Virgil : "My name is Vergil, SCARED MOTHAFAHKA!?!?"
Danti : "NO"
Nero/Dante/Agnus : "Daaaaaaam"
'sequel that will probably never happen'
you mean
'sequel that will HOPEFULLY never happen'
I don't think DmC Vergil wanting to rule humanity "for their own good" makes him any less evil. If anything that makes him worse. He's so full of himself and looks down on humanity so much that he thinks that they need to be protected by himself as some higher being. That's the attitude of an evil dictator if there ever was one. Not that it makes his character better or anything.
In comparing how Vergil fights in DmC vs. DMC3 I have to agree. Or well, kind of. I've never finished DMC3 (only ever got to the boss rush level on Normal), so most of my experience of his mechanics comes from playing as him multiple times in DMC4SE. Comparing that to how he plays in the DmC DLC, there's such a huge difference in terms of feel. Some sword moves and special abilities are the same, but in DmC he feels sort of clumsy. Very stop-start and without a natural flow to him. In DMC4SE, he's brilliant to play. So quick and fluid. It's crazy how different they can make the same character feel.
+Scrustle I agree, but I don't think that makes him more "evil" it just makes him a big asshole, like I said in the video. He's super condescending and smug so he think's he is the best man for the job, but in his eyes he sees it as a good thing, like he's being the hero by protecting humanity and making sure they're safe. He even says they'll "respect their subjects, not enslave them." He is doing this out of a will to do good, it's just that he is too full of himself to see that no one wants him to rule over them, haha.
Honestly if he had just chosen his words with a bit more tact, and said something like 'Now is our chance to guide humanity towards a better world!' people would probably have trouble with seeing how what he's doing is wrong.
+HyperBitHero The trouble is that I think humanity actually needed someone like Vergil after all that those two bumbling idiots had just done. Up until that point, the human race had managed to get along without being hunted and slaughtered by demons thanks to Mundus' barrier. Now that those prats had broken it down, they'd just unleashed a torrent of chainsaw-armed monstrosities onto the population and nobody was really prepared for such an event. It's stupid of Dante to assume they can just let the humans do what they want now, since society had just undergone such an enormous upheaval. If anything, Vergil was crucial because he's at least someone who pretends to understand what's going on around him.
But whatever, it's a dumb game with a poorly thought out conclusion. Logic doesn't really come into it.
the endslate song is ''It's kill or be killed'' from No More Heroes 2.
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?
I've never played this game but I always come back to this video. Excellent work man
Dante: Ok Vergil give me the Yamato
Vergil: If you want it then you'll have to take it
Let me sum up Virgil's Downfall:
CRRAAAAAAAWWLING IIIIIIIIIINNN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINN!!!!
I cannot think of a better summary of DmC Virgil's character than this.
You don't even have to be a longtime DMC fan or DMC classic purist to even realize that DmC's adaptation of Vergil is just nothing short of embarrassing on the fact he was just poorly written as a character let alone another cliche self righteous antagonist.
Which they even made worst with that forcefully contrived edge lord wubfest that was the VD DLC. Which had a poorly timed Pre-order launch which intentionally spoiled the upcoming plot of the game like "no shit Sherlock, have you ever played a DMC title?". Ninja Theory clearly had an active reimagining but they absolutely failed in understanding what made these characters iconic in the first fucking place; which ultimately they and there apologist assume is purely just a weeaboo thing.
In any staple third person character action title. Vergil made his mark in DMC 3 as the definitive badass rival character in Gaming. Not because he wore opposing colors and had a completely opposite demeanor and style of fashion, no. A good rival character is designed to not only have an opposing ideology to you the protagonist; but also has an active and endearing presence that constantly re-evaluates your own capability and mastery at the game. Thus by overcoming this person who seemingly can kick your ass, you the player feel greatly empowered when you defeat them, and none of the cliche plotwist bullshit that had almost little to no direct build-up to a poorly executed final battle.
I wish the next Devious Extent actually gives a better example of how an endearing rival character should be portrayed. Like Jetstream Sam.
Well of course the DLC was developed like that. NT was hoping people new to the DMC franchise but loved hack and slashes would pick up their game and want to tune in. It's not rocket science.
I do wonder if Vergil was a late addition to the game. Like they had the original character anonymous guy with the mask as a new character and Capcom made them change him into Vergil to tie more to the original game.
Remember when NT said they were going to blow the story of the original DMC out of the water? They cant even surpass the story of DMC1, i would rather have a simple but good paced story with good build up and progression rather this mess that NT wrote
Should've been a dinosaur.
+Perils of Pokey funny how that rumor was one of the only good things about that game.
Agreed.
+zyonhunter What?
+Perils of Pokey Don't insult the husbando-tier Diego Brando.
+iWillWakeYouUp Rumour had it Vergil would have become a t rex as his final boss form due to a hazy leaked picture of the game.
Oh lol, did they really removed the fedora? That's just hilarious.
Excellent video as always, I'm really interested in seeing more of your Devious Intent videos with both video game and anime villains (since you said in twitter that you were interested in the idea.)
So glad they brought back The Alpha and The Omega
i am now convinced this game was intended to be a joke
Had to do a double take when I read this in my Subscription box. xD
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!
I have a friend who actually loves DmC's version of Vergil more than the original, to point of cosplaying him on stage and re-enacting that melodramatic final scene.
Thank you for this. Pizza's on me if I ever meet you :)
I believe when Vergil starts "pulling abilities out of his ass" that's because once he seals Mundus' power source and the whole world goes into Limbo Vergil gets access to his powers. I noticed that Dante never used any of his abilities when he wasn't in limbo, so that's my reasoning on why he never used them prior.
Not gonna lie, the part where he talked about Vergil and his megaphone made me laugh my ass off.
One thing I really like about this game - Vergil's costume design.
Should also mention that Vorgil never really combos you. All of his attacks are one and done while Vergil in DMC3 had a nifty combo you might get a chunk of lifebar taken away from you.
What seriously irks me about Vergil in this game is that he COULD have been so much more charming and likeable given what they originally intended for him. See those dumb blue surgical gloves? They're there because their original plan for his character was gonna be that he's a super germophobic clean-freak or always cleans himself and his blade whenever he finishes a fight. Could you imagine if we got that instead? A Vergil with a personality like Levi from AOT? A cold, stoic badass with a dry sense of humour who slices through demons with ease only to look at the blood on his hands and sword and go "Ew, gross." and clean it off? That alone sounds so much more likeable than what they did.
dmc is a prime example of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
"Nooo!"
"Ahh!"
I still wince a little at the voice acting of those parts
One praise I never understood for the rebooted Donte and Vergil is the whole "at least they're not anime characters this time!" (compared to, uh, whatever "anime" the originals were supposed to be from?), as if edgelord Dante and "Euphoric" Vergil are somehow more preferable?
And criticizing something for being too "anime" just reeks of, I don't know, racism to begin with anyway. If it's too cartoony/over-the-top, then just say so. Implying that the previous titles were nowhere near as good because of how "Japanese" it was is just stupid on multiple levels.
+MundoSD You know, I never understood that criticism either. The series as a whole screams of a shonen jump manga--especially DMC3.
This is a series where the hero is constantly impaled on his own sword, he has no trouble talking to a half naked version of his mother, he willingly allows his business partner to put a gun to his head, taunts his enemies all the time. is constantly in debt, loses in all forms of gambling, and gets drunk enough to propose to a mop, . I don't see where realism comes into play
The criticism is especially funny after the vergils downfall dlc. He LITERALLY goes through vizard training by dealing with his hollow (Bleach) to become a super Saiyan (dbz) in order to master the shadow clone jutsu (naruto).
+Donovin Eh. Doppelgänger is more like the multiform technique (DBZ.)
+MundoSD I think too many people just look at Vergil and Dante's design and assume it's just some anime bullshit without actually paying attention to how the characters act.
sofakingimmature It was plain boicot to Japanese products if wasn't clear enough.
7:06 we did twenty takes, and that was the best one!