SUBSCRIBE! Did I convince you about this whole "DAVE" name yet? Let me know! :D I will say the claim that Dave is gotten more consistently than Cassidy is certainly a hot take, and one I know people will not agree with, although I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies between all of the letters. I did originally mention how the "MY NAME"s weren't on all her letters but apparently some versions are misprinted, some have them, some don't, so I'm not too sure what to make of that and just cut me saying they're "not on all of them" out the video to not spread misinformation - although the letter "i" definitely doesn't have it on the page the letter is solved, instead being on a page that redirects to it which means they're undeniably not on all of the pages the letters are solved and makes another inconsistency in the puzzle but neither here nor there... doesn't matter, cut it just in case! All in all I totally get if you disagree with that part, but it should be highlighted how different each of the letters were to solve while Dave's is simply point A -> B for all of them.
Hell yeah you did. I was never convinced on Evan, and refused to call him as such. William, Elizabeth, Michael and then- Evan. David it's just 10 times better lmao.
yo hyper droid you forgot the fnaf encyclopedia page 210 and 211 that's all about the crying child confirming that he is a FNAF 4 protagonist and that nightmare appears on his page plus not to mention FNAF 4 is his first debut and also mike and his friends are only 4 bullies so 4 is the magic number for Dave Afton and if you type 1983 in the week before book we get the bite of 83 recordings and Ralph somehow remembers it meaning he work at Fredbear's and at Freddy's at the same time in 1983. Also in the FNAF Mike talks to Ghost kid the spirit of golden Freddy who wants answers about his brother Garret and this also parallels Michel in the Games that he to try to talk to Cassidy about his brother Dave and tries to set both of them free! Specking of opposites of each other Dave and Cassidy have opposite personalities like Jack and Andrew in the stichwraith epilogues of Fazbear frights , one more thing is that the my name grave stone is drawn by mike with a flower vase on it and where else we see it no other then FNAF 4 meaning that the grave stone with a flower vase isn't cassidy's but rather then Dave's grave stone because Cassidy doesn't have a flower vase at the end of fnaf 6 with the other kids plus Charlotte.
The "One Steve Limit" is quite heavily averted in FNAF as a whole. There's at least four people in there named Jeremy that I know of -- the FNAF2 protag Jeremy Fitzgerald, the missing child who became Bonnie, the beta tester who cut his face off, and the subject of Comedian Bot's "jokes". So why not have three Daves, being the sucky one, William's alias, and the Crying Child?
@@Kawa-oneechanto be fair I'm pretty sure the message is supposed to be an easter egg reference to Dave Miller, which by extension would also be connected to the crying child. But names are reused a lot, all the Jeremys (and if you really want to stretch Mike's coworker at the mall in the beginning of the movie is named Jeremiah), two Cassidys, one in game and one in the books, and Mike/Michael, Michael Afton, movie Mike, and Michael from the novel trilogy.
even if you don't add the extra nightmare drawing, I still think that answer fits because we know what Dave's "dreams" were like and they were HORRIFYING. I feel like remembering those dreams from the question alone would make you scared enough even without the visual clue
honestly my thoughts exactly but I know people want the intentionality of it all to make more sense, so while I do think it works without the image I think it's easier to convince people that WAS the intended "dreams" they're talking about with the image itself
I want to add in something: the mirror is used for BOTH names if you think about it. When looking at the word search, you see two things, “WHO ARE YOU?” And “WHAT IS YOUR NAME?”. Looking to the next page, you see a giant (in your face) mirror with Faded Text saying “WHAT DO YOU SEE?”. This outright tells you to look for the answer in the word search. Collect all the clues, go to the word search, and solve it. This means that the mirror itself is the clue to solve both names, further adding to the fact that the way to solve both names are opposites of each other; or, in other words, REFLECTIONS of each other. You solve one mystery name by putting numbers in a word search, you solve another mystery name by putting words in a number grid. Symmetry, my friend.
@@_quf Except Cassidy might not be TOYSNHK. I’m not saying the possibility isn’t there, but there has been a lot of recent stuff that points to Andrew or at least a game counterpart of Andrew (whether you believe StitchlineGames or FrightsReboot) is TOYSNHK. And Cassidy has shown peace before, and Crying Child has shown some vengeance in The Week Before. So it seems that Crying Child/Dave and the MCI souls are all somewhat a mix of benevolent and malevolent. They’re benevolent to each other and children, but malevolent to adults because of William’s remnant manipulation. Until he gets springlocked of course. But the Vengeful Spirit/TOYSNHK was never benevolent to anyone else at all (and if u believe AndrewTOYSNHK then you get to see him actually learn how to be benevolent by becoming friends with Jake.)
This is the most important comment under this video, because if we as a community accept the name Dave then the only way for cassidy to know Dave's name or help himsolve it is if they are connected in some way, I.E if we accept Dave being the crying childs name because of the survival log book then that would also imply that, either golden duo or shatter victim is the proceeding understanding.
@emountypitts6811 A third option is that the two had been friends or at minimum neutral acquaintances before their deaths. A fourth option only exists because I do not believe we have "Charlotte's" name directly stated in the games. If that is indeed correct then Cassidy might be the game equivalent of Charlotte from the silver eyes (William Afton's business partner's daughter... because I know we don't have Henry's name confirmed in games only implied HRY223).
@@RFDN0 i wouldn't be sure considering how friendless Dave is during the minigames in fnaf 4, and the fact that there is 2 full years of separation between their deaths. If anything if Dave did know any dead child before their death it would most likely just like you said, be charlotte
I also want to point out that when it comes to the conversation with Cassidy and Dave, if you take it into full context, Cassidy is trying to jog Dave's memory to see what he can remember. That last question with the Nightmare picture just screams that Dave remembers the horrible things that happened to him. It's such a natural response to say "I'm scared" when he remembers the nightmares he metophorically and literally experienced From a narrative standpoint, it fits to a tea.
While ideally, something like "I'm scared of them" would fit better... yeah, it still makes a lot of sense for this one loose piece of changed text to fit in the most likely question of all the remaining ones.
@@HyperDroid My only issue is that from an author's perspective, why would the answers requiring a visual be so weird? "The party was for you" "it was for me" is as direct of a response as you can get, so "does he still talk to you" would make much more sense to have "i can hear a voice" or simply "he does" as an answer. The middle responses also show that the answer isn't supposed to be obscure, but obvious. So why wouldn't Scott or the editors make the answers fit better? We can just say "scott's a troll" but that's a cop out :/
@@bigbungubingu8291 but scot isn't "just a troll." I'd say he's doing his best to both make an engaging puzzle, but also obfuscate it so that it isn't super easy to solve (a hard tightrope to tread, evidently) He didn't obfuscate it to be a jerk, but to cast a slight doubt as people solved the puzzle and compared their alternate solutions to the same problem. It's there to make the puzzle challenging enough to be fun, although clearly he overdid it since we all acknowledge the slight doubt cast over the only viable solution to the foxy grid. Just my perspective, your opinion can be valid as well 👍
Alright I'm sold. Before you released this video I didn't really have a strong opinion on what the CC name is it was likely Dave but i didn't really think much of it other than it being a pretty solid convenient answer. But now I'm completely sold on it being Dave.
@@HyperDroidWilliam Afton uses fake name "Dave" as Security Guard in Silver Eyes book. Giving that name to most important character in the series must hint at something
Another clue for “I can hear sounds” being a response to “does he still talk to you” is how this would play out in a real conversation. Cassidy asks, “does he still talk to you?” And BV responds with, “Well, I can hear sounds, but I don’t know if it’s him or not.”
You could look at this that way: Mike's input gives the last name of Cassidy's name and FIRST not last letter of Dave. You repeatedly say "last letter of Dave" because it's last before reflection, but it's actually first letter of the name further showing more connection by giving another contrast
With Cassidy's 11-12 questions only having 4* answers- there's an interesting detail. Dave only answers 4 of the 11 questions if you don't count "My Name" and potentially 5 of the 12 if you do count it. How many questions/statements does that leave behind? 7- the amount of letters in Cassidy's name. I'm sorta a FNAF bystander, watching from a distance- so idk if this is anything crazy, but it's interesting at the very least.
The "do you have dreams" one is a little wonky but consider this I just thought of... What if Mike putting nightmare was a way for him to clarify what Cassidy was asking Dave... C: Do you have dreams? M: What about a Nightmare? D: I'M SCARED!!! it makes ALL too much sense in that context, considering how much even seeing an animatronic suit would terrify dave... If it was any other animatronic, I'd consider it less, but it's NAME IS FREAKING NIGHTMARE... and being we view Mike as trying to help the spirits communicate and find their names, it only makes sense that he gives each of them the final part they have been missing...
ALSO, with Mike being the one helping with the last letter to both puzzles, it parallels how Michael wants to help both Cassidy and his brother to reach their end, end of their suffering, of their limbo, of their torment with freeing their spirits. Kinda poetic.
hyper droid is only delivering peak content since that first theory 3 months ago. and it's only a third video since then bro is definitely making his name in the community
I think the major issue people have with connecting "Do you have dreams?" with "I'm scared" is that these are adults trying to solve something and as adults we know that there's a difference between a dream and a nightmare, and they completely forget that it's a child responding to a question, a young child may refer to a nightmare as "a bad dream" because they don't know the word nightmare yet.
As if the theroy wasn't good and solid enough with just the first video (it was), here's a second video to back up the theory even more. Honestly calling it a theory (essentially at this point) just feels like an understatement. I think it's a borderline fact. Once again, well done Hyper Droid
I couldn't agree with your theory more! I actually believed it right away, because this makes so much sense, it's really hard to believe only few people in the whole fnaf community came up with this solution. You did an amazing job, Hyper Droid!
In the Silver eyes, Dave constantly references familly, happiest day and talks about "wanting to love". To me this is linked to his child. Especially happiest day.
Yeah I'm convinced with this theory lmao. I was a bit iffy on it when I watched your original video on the logbook but now that you've said this, I think its just a straight up fact honestly. Like even right now, I'm trying insanely hard to find SOMETHING in the theory that doesn't make sense and I can't think of anything. Which is an insanely impressive feat consider this is FNaF lol. Good job!
I like the fact that it starts with the FREDBEAR Plush to get the 'E' And it ends with the FREDBEAR drawing to get the 'D' Peak video Hyper Droid, keep doing this 👍
Why does no one consider the fact that “I can hear sounds” is a valid response to “Does he still talk to you”? The character saying that they can hear sounds basically just says they don’t hear a voice or language but they are still hearing something, which could be a form of communication from whoever “he” is or just some type of noise in general. If such a scary situation was happening to someone they aren’t going to just say “no I don’t hear someone talking” and just not say anything about the other noise they are hearing.
Mike needing to help with the final letter in both names I think adds even more credibility as it’s showing him helping these two kids remember themselves, which is required for them to be able to move on and that is the goal we all agree Michael has, to help the kids souls finally pass on.
I believe I have the solution that explains the conversational language between Cassidy and David. Most theories I see go about the responses in the logbook being a Question/Answer solution (Cassidy asking the question, and David responding), but I believe it is the opposite. Cassidy, going through the book, notices statements made by another spirit (by altering the text), and then proceeds to try and ask follow up questions, some of which by using book relevant visual ques (Book images/Mike’s drawings): “I’m scared” -> “Do you still have dreams?” “I can’t see” -> “What do you see?” “It was for me” -> “The party was for you” “I can hear sounds” -> “Does he still talk to you?” In a literal sense, Cassidy, a child spirit, is interacting/writing responses, based on the text information provided (David’s statements) in a Children’s Activity Book. Great work HyperDroid, and the rest of the FNAF community who helped work out Crying Child’s name! (Edit: I realized that, in order to use visual cues, Cassidy would have to know who the spirit is that they’re interacting with. This would then mean that Cassidy knew who they were talking to [David], and was helping him [as well as potentially Mike/the reader] to remember who he is/what his name is.)
Not gonna lie, with Cassidy's puzzle being more complicated than the crying child, it kinda matches their personalities a little doesn't it? I mean, we don't know much about them personally, but Cassidy seems more active, less passive, we know she's angry and keeps William alive at any cost, she's very emotional. While the Crying child definitely would be more meek, keeping himself in line, just like his puzzle keeps to the same rules. Just a little thing that seemed curious to me, great video btw!
@Trontotario ok I'll just nod and agree because I definitely don't want to start arguing about book characters being canon or not for the games. I couldn't care less about being right with how chaotic is the frenchise 😅... So yeah, debunked.
@@Trontotariono it didn’t? FLAF confirmed Tales being Canon. There’s no way frights can be as canon as tales it will ruin the whole thing. We also know that Golden duo was confirmed in TWB and the only two possible spirits that can be in there are BV(Dave) and Cassidy as said in the logbook. But whatever I also don’t want to argue so sure Andrew is TOYSHK
@ the week before didn’t confirm GoldenDuo it in fact confirms ShatterVictim or GoldenConduit. Also Tales and frights are canon because of the story frailty.
@ I don’t think that alll of tales is completely 1:1 so that’s why I’m ignoring fraility for now. Yes but TWB does imply that there are atleast 1 or two inside GF. Idk this is my opinion I don’t really wanna argue abt it anymore. Have a good day!
@ They are all canon stop denying it. The week before confirms ShatterVictim since the crying child’s memories are haunting Freddy’s. We literally hear a recording of that said memory. Anyways yeah you’re wrong so goodbye 👋👋
...unless i'm counting wrong i think if you take the coordinates in the other order (down then over) and rearrange the resultant letters you can get FROG. which probably doesn't mean anything but it's kinda funny that it happens anyway (unless something something it's a connection to Happy Frog and possibly then by extension the one you should not have killed switching around what they mediocres were supposed to say... but it's probably just a coincidence)
You want to know the craziest thing about this? In UnderScore's Golden Freddy may not exist video, he made an amazing discovery, that being the drowning ending in UCN has its file name being "Your Own" which thanks to FNAF World and the Logbook, we can infer to be Cassidy's Happiest Day, "Your Own Happiest Day", because then we can combine it with the speculation that FNAF World is a literal metaphor or a representation of Dave's mind, and the different glitch levels are layers of his brain, when Dave goes to drown himself at OMC's lake, he falls into a Happy Memory, that being of Mike and Elizabeth being there with him as they watch Television, his deepest lost memory of him and his siblings being happy together. The Logbook on one page literally even says "Reflect on your Happiest Day" and said minigame is a mirrored reflection of FNAF 4's daytime Minigames and Dave's Birthday/The Bite of 83, and how it was supposed to be a happy day celebrating his life, so the Missing Kids put on the masks of not only the vessels they posses, but also the faces of Dave's friends that Mike and his group used to torture Dave, only this time it's to heal him, rather than scar him. If the Drowning Ending for Dave is about falling into a Happy Memory, then what does the drowning ending mean for Cassidy? It's to finally rest as OMC advises them to do, to let go of the vengeance towards William, and allow themselves to find peace, that is Cassidy's Happiest Day. Dave's Drowning Ending is reflecting back, Cassidy's Drowning Ending is Moving on, they both mirror and foil each other yet again! Edit 1: Shoutout to Candi Buunny for the FNAF World is Dave's Mind connections and theory!
I want to add support onto this theory, as it’s something I’ve been thinking about since talesgames got confirmed with Edwin and his son, along with tiger rock. I think Dave/David Afton being the crying child’s name is only further supported by the fact that Edwin’s son is named David. You mentioned Dave Miller already, but if you recall there’s a David mentioned on one of the drawings in the fnaf movie, holding a party balloon, of course connecting the Dave/David Afton and his birthday. I wouldn’t be surprised if William named one of his kids after Edwin’s son, who so happens to have the same name. William, as we know, is an incredibly jealous person and would most likely do something like that to get back at Edwin, like how he killed Charlie to teach Henry a lesson. Why not do the same by naming his last kid after Edwin’s son who died? That would definitely make William feel superior. Another thing is that Edwin actually serves as a parallel/connection to both Henry and William, not just Henry like we thought. Like Henry, he’s an engineer, an inventor that goes on to influence future creations, while like William, he suffers from the loss of his son, who died in a tragic accident, becoming abusive as a result. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both William and Edwin have a son named David, but that’s just me. Scott reuses names a lot, which in my opinion tells us how important a specific name is to the series. I really think talesgames being confirmed only further proves the Dave/David Afton “theory”. I’d like to add one more thing: both David’s are the reason why the events in fnaf happen in the first place; they fuel the mimic and William’s motivations as the core villains of the franchise, William for the original 6 games and the mimic for the modern games
"Do u have a dream,im scared, nightmare fredbear drawing",this refers to fnaf 4 being dave's nightmare. "Do u still hear him, do you see ,i cant see" refers to both spirits controlling golden freddy ,one can hear and control, one can see.
I was already pretty sure, but with all those connections, the visual hints, and the fact that Mike helps with the last letter of both, it's as close to fact as most theories will ever be.
That realization of how Cassidy's solution is actually more convoluted than Dave's... ...feels similar to when I realized that in FNaF 2, the Phone Guy never tells you that you should be faster at putting on the mask for the Withereds, and that's something Markiplier stumbled onto after being killed by W. Bonnie and W. Chica for about a video and a half. He just found the solution, we all saw it and accepted it as the default and the sensible thing to do, and now every time we play a fangame with a mask mechanic, we all put it on as quickly as possible, mainly due to PTSD, even if the game has no reaction time mechanics or at least not to such a ridiculous degree. And like, yeah, I know it sounds intuitive that you should put the mask on to hide from their sight as fast as possible, but with how lax Toy Freddy is (the only one that works just like the Withereds, weirdly enough), you don't really have a true reason to rush it. But the main factor for why Mark took so long wasn't even because the Phone Guy said nothing. It's how his reaction and its consequences were showcased. When you manage to trick Toy Freddy or a Withered into leaving, the screen flashes for a bit, and they disappear. When you don't do it in time, the sceeen flashes for a bit, and they disappear... and _then_ you get jumpscared after lifting the monitor. The winning outcome is presented to you in the same way as the losing outcome, so it makes things startling for you, definitely, but also kind of unclear. I mean, if it took Mark a whole video and the halfway point of the next one to think about putting the mask on more quickly, something was definitely lost in translation. And in terms of underexplained mechanics, here's one that's also really underutilized: the camera lights. To think those were the key for making FNaF 2's 10/20 mode beatable with 0% of RNG is kinda funny. Makes me wonder if Scott had meant them to play a more prominent role in the game. Well, if only the music box didn't wind down so quickly, maybe they would. And even then, the mask is already a serviceable safety net, so there's less given reason to use the lights lol
Consider this: they can’t seem to use a lot of words to converse. The questions and answers are concise, short; they are spirits, they have limits to what they can do. If someone is trying to converse using short phrases, they’ll not give textbook answers - so no “no, I can’t hear him, but a hear sounds”; instead they would choose to “go to the point”, in a way. Also consider they are children. Often times kids answer in “unusual” ways because they think what they’re saying is obvious; if you’re asking about dreams they had, they might assume you know of its content so they answer accordingly “I’m scared”. That’s just to say the Dave solutions makes sense, practical sense. It’s not convoluted, or a leap; it fits the narrative, is logical, and simple.
Have you tried switching the page numbers around for the location? Like instead of doing down, then across, do across then down. Or the opposite of whatever is actually used, I'm not sure.
I’m all about that last arguement. The classic Sherlock Holmes: when you’ve eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. The fact is that people don’t want an answer that works and benefits them when it doesn’t align with their ideals. It’s a microcosm for US politics right now. Lol
I genuinely feel anyone who doesn't believe the Dave Theory is just mad they didn't work it out themselves. The theory without this additional explanation was surperb. But kudos to you for being able to back it up further!
It's cool is that Mike prompts the "opposite" letter of each of the kids' names; the Y in Cassidy is the final letter, and the D in Dave is the first letter It's also interesting that in the sequence we're given, it's the final letter of both names that is solved by Mike
Maybe this is just me as an autistic person with a funky lil brain, but the answer to "Do you have dreams?" being "I'm sacred." always made perfect sense to me. It's still a legitimate answer in every which way, just an unusual one Not to mention... I just think it works with how children tend to talk anyway? They can be quite nonsensical with how they talk because they're still learning, growing & trying to understand language. They say things in a way that makes perfect sense to their young minds but might come across a little odd to us, more fully grown adults. In a way we have to interpret their language as though we were speaking two completely different ones "Do you have dreams?" "I'm scared." basically translates to "I experience dreams and they scare me." that's an answer a child would give without directly responding with a 'yes' or a 'no'
I watched your last video and I agreed with you on it, than you put this out and I noticed something that has been mentioned before from other theorist about 2 people possessing Golden Freddy. From what you was saying it makes perfect sense, and if people remember the ending stories from the Faze Bear Freights and how 2 possessed the stitch wraith makes it really compelling argument. Not to mention if you listen to some of their discussions sounds like some of these where one can not see, while the other can.
I feel like the community has gaslit itself to overthink everything so much that even simple solutions appearing complicated even slightly makes them disbelieve theories. Or worse they drown out a plausible theory because they just really really like a different theory better narratively. Or even worse they do this subconsciously without even realizing that's the inward reason they disregard a theory.
I accept Dave as a name. It's alot better than people calling him cici. Also, I guess it makes sense, since one is vengeful, and the other one moving on.
3:13 Hyper droid: how we get Dave is actually more consistent and solid than how we get Cassidy Also hyper droid: Evan can’t be right since it isn’t consistent for its last solution!
i always wondered if "i can hear sounds" was an answer to "what do you see?", but "what do you see?" being under a mirror means "i can't see" would make more sense
Perhaps, the puzzles were part of the log book, Mike noticed that some pages were repeated, either number wise or puzzle wise, he solved most of the puzzles, except for the I’m scared, he solved what it means and drew the nightmare Freddy for us, the next person to find his log book, Mike wants us to know who’s haunting our book.
I like that he said everyone overlooked the part with Michael being the one to solve the final letter... NOT TRUE I commented on the game theory video on his video and pointed this OUT and I'm sure others have as well so If you guys wanna go and find game theory's video and find my comment you can because I went more in depth on this
I am only a little upset on this because he did watch game theory's reaction to his video since hyper droid commented but maybe he didn't see it I didn't have much replies and only had about 500 likes on it
@@GauravSidh Yeah totally agree looking back on this is a little eh Idk why I was so bothered by this. I guess its because I went a bit deeper on that subject
I believe it was Game Theory that said that if you use the page numbers for the questions you either don’t get a letter because the second letter is a zero or you don’t get a name. But context clues also work
I always thought the addition of the nightmare drawing made total sense. A nightmare is a scary drean. It seems very straight forward. I never got people saying it was grasping at straws.
I have a small theory: Both Cassidy and Dave needed Micheal to help them remember each other’s names because Micheal drew nightmare under one of Cassidy’s questions to lead to one of Dave’s answers that is put into the Foxy grid started with some faded letters to find Dave’s name and he put in numbers to put into an altered word search to find Cassidy’s name.
My only real contention with this theory is Garrett. We already had example of character named in other continuity, and being the correct one in the games. the movie itself wants to solidify and correct some theories, like mike working at the FNaF 1 location, possibly Vanessa being an Afton, possibly showing GF as the "kipnapper" in MM. So why should be the CC name different? And not that is too different of a character (at least from what we see) to not follow this pattern. Even Abby is a 4th wall clue to being Baby anagram, so why not Garrett? Other than that, the theory is the best theory using the Logbook, so congrats : )
I always thought that Cassidy's felt more like the stretch, its always irked me that some solutions are deemed "too complicated" or "unrealistic" yet everyone accepts Cassidy (and Scott has confirmed it, making it even clearer that odd solutions are more reasonable than you think)
I know that I've been sticking to this theory longer than you but now that the TalesGames has been a thing, it means there are two Daves: David Murray and David Afton (if David is the longer version of Dave). It feels weird to have to David's in one lore universe right?
I agree and I think this is a great theory, only problem I can see is people are going to say “Nuh uh” or something like that (mainly to the “I’m scared” response) it’s just mighty unfortunate
SUBSCRIBE! Did I convince you about this whole "DAVE" name yet? Let me know! :D
I will say the claim that Dave is gotten more consistently than Cassidy is certainly a hot take, and one I know people will not agree with, although I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies between all of the letters. I did originally mention how the "MY NAME"s weren't on all her letters but apparently some versions are misprinted, some have them, some don't, so I'm not too sure what to make of that and just cut me saying they're "not on all of them" out the video to not spread misinformation - although the letter "i" definitely doesn't have it on the page the letter is solved, instead being on a page that redirects to it which means they're undeniably not on all of the pages the letters are solved and makes another inconsistency in the puzzle but neither here nor there... doesn't matter, cut it just in case! All in all I totally get if you disagree with that part, but it should be highlighted how different each of the letters were to solve while Dave's is simply point A -> B for all of them.
Hell yeah you did. I was never convinced on Evan, and refused to call him as such.
William, Elizabeth, Michael and then- Evan. David it's just 10 times better lmao.
Yes, we can retire "Crying Child" now imo
Yes, and you convinced Matpat which was even more impressive. I'm easy to convince ut he took the hard work you put in.
yo hyper droid you forgot the fnaf encyclopedia page 210 and 211 that's all about the crying child confirming that he is a FNAF 4 protagonist and that nightmare appears on his page plus not to mention FNAF 4 is his first debut and also mike and his friends are only 4 bullies so 4 is the magic number for Dave Afton and if you type 1983 in the week before book we get the bite of 83 recordings and Ralph somehow remembers it meaning he work at Fredbear's and at Freddy's at the same time in 1983. Also in the FNAF Mike talks to Ghost kid the spirit of golden Freddy who wants answers about his brother Garret and this also parallels Michel in the Games that he to try to talk to Cassidy about his brother Dave and tries to set both of them free! Specking of opposites of each other Dave and Cassidy have opposite personalities like Jack and Andrew in the stichwraith epilogues of Fazbear frights , one more thing is that the my name grave stone is drawn by mike with a flower vase on it and where else we see it no other then FNAF 4 meaning that the grave stone with a flower vase isn't cassidy's but rather then Dave's grave stone because Cassidy doesn't have a flower vase at the end of fnaf 6 with the other kids plus Charlotte.
Yes definitely. Dave seems to be one of the most sensible answers I’ve seen for the past 6 years.
"You should fire Dave. He sucks." -- One of the very first messages you find in SB
The "One Steve Limit" is quite heavily averted in FNAF as a whole. There's at least four people in there named Jeremy that I know of -- the FNAF2 protag Jeremy Fitzgerald, the missing child who became Bonnie, the beta tester who cut his face off, and the subject of Comedian Bot's "jokes". So why not have three Daves, being the sucky one, William's alias, and the Crying Child?
@@Kawa-oneechanto be fair I'm pretty sure the message is supposed to be an easter egg reference to Dave Miller, which by extension would also be connected to the crying child. But names are reused a lot, all the Jeremys (and if you really want to stretch Mike's coworker at the mall in the beginning of the movie is named Jeremiah), two Cassidys, one in game and one in the books, and Mike/Michael, Michael Afton, movie Mike, and Michael from the novel trilogy.
Honestly my first thought was Dave from Dayshift at Freddy's, completely forgetting that that legendary fangame didn't make the name
I like to think Dave in TWB is the same Dave in SB (I don't think it was William).
@@z24hourgamer2 Same
I like the "mike has to help with one letter in both names"
I can't believe I didn't realize that the first time, they both literally end in the same way which makes it feel much more intentional
I think that really is the clincher here. It deals with the biggest counter argument against the solution without any difficulty
even if you don't add the extra nightmare drawing, I still think that answer fits because we know what Dave's "dreams" were like and they were HORRIFYING. I feel like remembering those dreams from the question alone would make you scared enough even without the visual clue
honestly my thoughts exactly but I know people want the intentionality of it all to make more sense, so while I do think it works without the image I think it's easier to convince people that WAS the intended "dreams" they're talking about with the image itself
yeah if my dreams had horrified versions of my plushies coming for my life at all angles i'd be terrified to even blink
I want to add in something: the mirror is used for BOTH names if you think about it.
When looking at the word search, you see two things, “WHO ARE YOU?” And “WHAT IS YOUR NAME?”. Looking to the next page, you see a giant (in your face) mirror with Faded Text saying “WHAT DO YOU SEE?”. This outright tells you to look for the answer in the word search. Collect all the clues, go to the word search, and solve it.
This means that the mirror itself is the clue to solve both names, further adding to the fact that the way to solve both names are opposites of each other; or, in other words, REFLECTIONS of each other. You solve one mystery name by putting numbers in a word search, you solve another mystery name by putting words in a number grid.
Symmetry, my friend.
*Kicks mike
@@King_Kong-Zilla
No.
First mike Gotta say: „go to hell"
Contradiction. One soul seeks revenge and the other just wants peace
@@_quf Except Cassidy might not be TOYSNHK. I’m not saying the possibility isn’t there, but there has been a lot of recent stuff that points to Andrew or at least a game counterpart of Andrew (whether you believe StitchlineGames or FrightsReboot) is TOYSNHK. And Cassidy has shown peace before, and Crying Child has shown some vengeance in The Week Before. So it seems that Crying Child/Dave and the MCI souls are all somewhat a mix of benevolent and malevolent. They’re benevolent to each other and children, but malevolent to adults because of William’s remnant manipulation. Until he gets springlocked of course. But the Vengeful Spirit/TOYSNHK was never benevolent to anyone else at all (and if u believe AndrewTOYSNHK then you get to see him actually learn how to be benevolent by becoming friends with Jake.)
@@princessquest4762 Does that mean even his Crying Child/Dave is malevolent?
Mike "knowing" Cassidy's name could imply that Dave and Cassidy actually knew each other.
Incredible point.
Or Mike knows Cassidy's name because of missing children poster or something
But i like your interpretation
This is the most important comment under this video, because if we as a community accept the name Dave then the only way for cassidy to know Dave's name or help himsolve it is if they are connected in some way, I.E if we accept Dave being the crying childs name because of the survival log book then that would also imply that, either golden duo or shatter victim is the proceeding understanding.
@emountypitts6811 A third option is that the two had been friends or at minimum neutral acquaintances before their deaths.
A fourth option only exists because I do not believe we have "Charlotte's" name directly stated in the games. If that is indeed correct then Cassidy might be the game equivalent of Charlotte from the silver eyes (William Afton's business partner's daughter... because I know we don't have Henry's name confirmed in games only implied HRY223).
@@RFDN0 i wouldn't be sure considering how friendless Dave is during the minigames in fnaf 4, and the fact that there is 2 full years of separation between their deaths. If anything if Dave did know any dead child before their death it would most likely just like you said, be charlotte
I also want to point out that when it comes to the conversation with Cassidy and Dave, if you take it into full context, Cassidy is trying to jog Dave's memory to see what he can remember. That last question with the Nightmare picture just screams that Dave remembers the horrible things that happened to him. It's such a natural response to say "I'm scared" when he remembers the nightmares he metophorically and literally experienced
From a narrative standpoint, it fits to a tea.
"Do you have dreams (Showing Nightmare Fredbear)?"
"I'm scared (of them (referring to the awful dreams he had))."
EXACTLY it seems so simple to me I don't see the complication
While ideally, something like "I'm scared of them" would fit better... yeah, it still makes a lot of sense for this one loose piece of changed text to fit in the most likely question of all the remaining ones.
@@HyperDroid My only issue is that from an author's perspective, why would the answers requiring a visual be so weird? "The party was for you" "it was for me" is as direct of a response as you can get, so "does he still talk to you" would make much more sense to have "i can hear a voice" or simply "he does" as an answer. The middle responses also show that the answer isn't supposed to be obscure, but obvious. So why wouldn't Scott or the editors make the answers fit better? We can just say "scott's a troll" but that's a cop out :/
@@bigbungubingu8291 but scot isn't "just a troll." I'd say he's doing his best to both make an engaging puzzle, but also obfuscate it so that it isn't super easy to solve (a hard tightrope to tread, evidently)
He didn't obfuscate it to be a jerk, but to cast a slight doubt as people solved the puzzle and compared their alternate solutions to the same problem. It's there to make the puzzle challenging enough to be fun, although clearly he overdid it since we all acknowledge the slight doubt cast over the only viable solution to the foxy grid.
Just my perspective, your opinion can be valid as well 👍
Alright I'm sold.
Before you released this video I didn't really have a strong opinion on what the CC name is it was likely Dave but i didn't really think much of it other than it being a pretty solid convenient answer.
But now I'm completely sold on it being Dave.
THAT'S GREAT THANK YOU! :D
@@HyperDroidWilliam Afton uses fake name "Dave" as Security Guard in Silver Eyes book. Giving that name to most important character in the series must hint at something
Another clue for “I can hear sounds” being a response to “does he still talk to you” is how this would play out in a real conversation. Cassidy asks, “does he still talk to you?” And BV responds with, “Well, I can hear sounds, but I don’t know if it’s him or not.”
You could look at this that way: Mike's input gives the last name of Cassidy's name and FIRST not last letter of Dave. You repeatedly say "last letter of Dave" because it's last before reflection, but it's actually first letter of the name further showing more connection by giving another contrast
With Cassidy's 11-12 questions only having 4* answers- there's an interesting detail. Dave only answers 4 of the 11 questions if you don't count "My Name" and potentially 5 of the 12 if you do count it. How many questions/statements does that leave behind? 7- the amount of letters in Cassidy's name.
I'm sorta a FNAF bystander, watching from a distance- so idk if this is anything crazy, but it's interesting at the very least.
Nice addition to the theory!! I love that you pointed that out!!
It's just like John from Fuhnaff whenever someone doesn't believe his theory he's just like "Need more proof?" Also love the content keep it up.
Yeah and ends up completely wrong
@Trontotario still though. Reminds me of it somewhat
@ yeah, both make really bad theories with only 1 decent evidence that age poorly
@Trontotario I trust the Dave theory. If you don't that's your choice. But I personally trust the Dave theory.
I should've kept that in the video I DID originally say after my quick explaination of part one "need more proof?" but cut it dammit
I don't know if I can wait another hour and fifteen minutes. I'm going to go freeze myself like Cartman.
Cartman mentioned (me too)
The "do you have dreams" one is a little wonky but consider this I just thought of... What if Mike putting nightmare was a way for him to clarify what Cassidy was asking Dave... C: Do you have dreams? M: What about a Nightmare? D: I'M SCARED!!! it makes ALL too much sense in that context, considering how much even seeing an animatronic suit would terrify dave... If it was any other animatronic, I'd consider it less, but it's NAME IS FREAKING NIGHTMARE... and being we view Mike as trying to help the spirits communicate and find their names, it only makes sense that he gives each of them the final part they have been missing...
Does this impilies he was fnaf 4 player
ALSO, with Mike being the one helping with the last letter to both puzzles, it parallels how Michael wants to help both Cassidy and his brother to reach their end, end of their suffering, of their limbo, of their torment with freeing their spirits. Kinda poetic.
hyper droid is only delivering peak content since that first theory 3 months ago. and it's only a third video since then
bro is definitely making his name in the community
He’s been making theories for over 2 years 😑
THANK YOU! THAT'S THE GOAL, only peak content from here, quality > quantity it's gonna get so good in 2025 just you wait
Dave Cassidy was a singer/actor famous in the 70s, 80s.Partridge Family, Not sure if this was intended or not
As much as it makes sense, it's gonna be hard to not called it the Crying Child anymore. It just sounds much cooler in my head.
It's kind of like how a lot of us still call Afton purple guy because we like the name more
Me too
I actually won't stop calling him crying child
I think the major issue people have with connecting "Do you have dreams?" with "I'm scared" is that these are adults trying to solve something and as adults we know that there's a difference between a dream and a nightmare, and they completely forget that it's a child responding to a question, a young child may refer to a nightmare as "a bad dream" because they don't know the word nightmare yet.
Excellent defense of your argument, with lots of evidence to support it. I am convinced and impressed.
As if the theroy wasn't good and solid enough with just the first video (it was), here's a second video to back up the theory even more. Honestly calling it a theory (essentially at this point) just feels like an understatement. I think it's a borderline fact. Once again, well done Hyper Droid
I couldn't agree with your theory more! I actually believed it right away, because this makes so much sense, it's really hard to believe only few people in the whole fnaf community came up with this solution. You did an amazing job, Hyper Droid!
peak video, cant believe we all FINALLY have a name for the crying child after so many years 🙏
Hey I like your content
We had it for like for 4 years
@@johnjordan211 oh yeah that's true
peak recognises peak THANK YOU, and yes FINALLY 🙏
@@johnjordan211 Yes, it is important to highlight this. He did solve it himself, but he wasn't the first. Hats off to those people.
In the Silver eyes, Dave constantly references familly, happiest day and talks about "wanting to love".
To me this is linked to his child. Especially happiest day.
Yeah I'm convinced with this theory lmao. I was a bit iffy on it when I watched your original video on the logbook but now that you've said this, I think its just a straight up fact honestly. Like even right now, I'm trying insanely hard to find SOMETHING in the theory that doesn't make sense and I can't think of anything. Which is an insanely impressive feat consider this is FNaF lol. Good job!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! :D
I like the fact that it starts with the FREDBEAR Plush to get the 'E'
And it ends with the FREDBEAR drawing to get the 'D'
Peak video Hyper Droid, keep doing this 👍
and they're in opposite bottom corners
didn't even think about that that's a good point
it's literally like Nightmare Foxy in FNAF 4 lol, normal plush -> nightmare version
@@HyperDroid OMG YOU'RE RIGHT! That's a very cool parallel 😆
This time, the theoy shall convince more!
Why does no one consider the fact that “I can hear sounds” is a valid response to “Does he still talk to you”? The character saying that they can hear sounds basically just says they don’t hear a voice or language but they are still hearing something, which could be a form of communication from whoever “he” is or just some type of noise in general. If such a scary situation was happening to someone they aren’t going to just say “no I don’t hear someone talking” and just not say anything about the other noise they are hearing.
Also I’d like to bring up the fact that Dave is easy to find, whereas Cassidy is hard to find which once again plays into them being opposites point.
Mike needing to help with the final letter in both names I think adds even more credibility as it’s showing him helping these two kids remember themselves, which is required for them to be able to move on and that is the goal we all agree Michael has, to help the kids souls finally pass on.
So basically
Cassidy: Yo Michael, help me out here with Dave's acquired memory loss (which you directly contributed to) ☺️
I believe I have the solution that explains the conversational language between Cassidy and David.
Most theories I see go about the responses in the logbook being a Question/Answer solution (Cassidy asking the question, and David responding), but I believe it is the opposite. Cassidy, going through the book, notices statements made by another spirit (by altering the text), and then proceeds to try and ask follow up questions, some of which by using book relevant visual ques (Book images/Mike’s drawings):
“I’m scared” -> “Do you still have dreams?”
“I can’t see” -> “What do you see?”
“It was for me” -> “The party was for you”
“I can hear sounds” -> “Does he still talk to you?”
In a literal sense, Cassidy, a child spirit, is interacting/writing responses, based on the text information provided (David’s statements) in a Children’s Activity Book. Great work HyperDroid, and the rest of the FNAF community who helped work out Crying Child’s name!
(Edit: I realized that, in order to use visual cues, Cassidy would have to know who the spirit is that they’re interacting with. This would then mean that Cassidy knew who they were talking to [David], and was helping him [as well as potentially Mike/the reader] to remember who he is/what his name is.)
The last video was really convincing, but now I'm 100% sold on Dave.
Not gonna lie, with Cassidy's puzzle being more complicated than the crying child, it kinda matches their personalities a little doesn't it? I mean, we don't know much about them personally, but Cassidy seems more active, less passive, we know she's angry and keeps William alive at any cost, she's very emotional. While the Crying child definitely would be more meek, keeping himself in line, just like his puzzle keeps to the same rules.
Just a little thing that seemed curious to me, great video btw!
@Trontotario ok I'll just nod and agree because I definitely don't want to start arguing about book characters being canon or not for the games. I couldn't care less about being right with how chaotic is the frenchise 😅... So yeah, debunked.
@@Trontotariono it didn’t? FLAF confirmed Tales being Canon. There’s no way frights can be as canon as tales it will ruin the whole thing. We also know that Golden duo was confirmed in TWB and the only two possible spirits that can be in there are BV(Dave) and Cassidy as said in the logbook. But whatever I also don’t want to argue so sure Andrew is TOYSHK
@ the week before didn’t confirm GoldenDuo it in fact confirms ShatterVictim or GoldenConduit.
Also Tales and frights are canon because of the story frailty.
@ I don’t think that alll of tales is completely 1:1 so that’s why I’m ignoring fraility for now. Yes but TWB does imply that there are atleast 1 or two inside GF. Idk this is my opinion I don’t really wanna argue abt it anymore. Have a good day!
@ They are all canon stop denying it. The week before confirms ShatterVictim since the crying child’s memories are haunting Freddy’s. We literally hear a recording of that said memory. Anyways yeah you’re wrong so goodbye 👋👋
This is not only making me gain appreciation for the Dave theory, but for the Logbook. Wow, that is some really clever puzzle-making!
"How we get Dave is actually more consistent and solid than how we get Cassidy"
OH YEAH BROTHER YOU COOKED WITH THIS ONE
...unless i'm counting wrong i think if you take the coordinates in the other order (down then over) and rearrange the resultant letters you can get FROG. which probably doesn't mean anything but it's kinda funny that it happens anyway (unless something something it's a connection to Happy Frog and possibly then by extension the one you should not have killed switching around what they mediocres were supposed to say... but it's probably just a coincidence)
the Crying Child possesses Happy Frog confirmed
Yup makes sense to me. I was already convinced but I’m even MORE convinced !
Wow. You somehow made me more convinced.
Theory: FNaF has wierd parents and the real names are Evad and Ydissac
You want to know the craziest thing about this? In UnderScore's Golden Freddy may not exist video, he made an amazing discovery, that being the drowning ending in UCN has its file name being "Your Own" which thanks to FNAF World and the Logbook, we can infer to be Cassidy's Happiest Day, "Your Own Happiest Day", because then we can combine it with the speculation that FNAF World is a literal metaphor or a representation of Dave's mind, and the different glitch levels are layers of his brain, when Dave goes to drown himself at OMC's lake, he falls into a Happy Memory, that being of Mike and Elizabeth being there with him as they watch Television, his deepest lost memory of him and his siblings being happy together. The Logbook on one page literally even says "Reflect on your Happiest Day" and said minigame is a mirrored reflection of FNAF 4's daytime Minigames and Dave's Birthday/The Bite of 83, and how it was supposed to be a happy day celebrating his life, so the Missing Kids put on the masks of not only the vessels they posses, but also the faces of Dave's friends that Mike and his group used to torture Dave, only this time it's to heal him, rather than scar him. If the Drowning Ending for Dave is about falling into a Happy Memory, then what does the drowning ending mean for Cassidy? It's to finally rest as OMC advises them to do, to let go of the vengeance towards William, and allow themselves to find peace, that is Cassidy's Happiest Day. Dave's Drowning Ending is reflecting back, Cassidy's Drowning Ending is Moving on, they both mirror and foil each other yet again!
Edit 1: Shoutout to Candi Buunny for the FNAF World is Dave's Mind connections and theory!
That Mike helping the kids remember their final letter thing is the nail in the coffin for me, great observation
3:35 this has actually ALWAYS bothered me especially with the issue with finding “Evan” being inconsistent
You turned a A tier theory to a S tier theory....congrats mate!
I want to add support onto this theory, as it’s something I’ve been thinking about since talesgames got confirmed with Edwin and his son, along with tiger rock. I think Dave/David Afton being the crying child’s name is only further supported by the fact that Edwin’s son is named David. You mentioned Dave Miller already, but if you recall there’s a David mentioned on one of the drawings in the fnaf movie, holding a party balloon, of course connecting the Dave/David Afton and his birthday.
I wouldn’t be surprised if William named one of his kids after Edwin’s son, who so happens to have the same name. William, as we know, is an incredibly jealous person and would most likely do something like that to get back at Edwin, like how he killed Charlie to teach Henry a lesson. Why not do the same by naming his last kid after Edwin’s son who died? That would definitely make William feel superior.
Another thing is that Edwin actually serves as a parallel/connection to both Henry and William, not just Henry like we thought. Like Henry, he’s an engineer, an inventor that goes on to influence future creations, while like William, he suffers from the loss of his son, who died in a tragic accident, becoming abusive as a result. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that both William and Edwin have a son named David, but that’s just me. Scott reuses names a lot, which in my opinion tells us how important a specific name is to the series. I really think talesgames being confirmed only further proves the Dave/David Afton “theory”.
I’d like to add one more thing: both David’s are the reason why the events in fnaf happen in the first place; they fuel the mimic and William’s motivations as the core villains of the franchise, William for the original 6 games and the mimic for the modern games
"Do u have a dream,im scared, nightmare fredbear drawing",this refers to fnaf 4 being dave's nightmare.
"Do u still hear him, do you see ,i cant see" refers to both spirits controlling golden freddy ,one can hear and control, one can see.
Ah yes, Golden Freddy, or as I like to call them, Cassidave
goldenduo 🤮
@@StaleTide 🤨????
I was already pretty sure, but with all those connections, the visual hints, and the fact that Mike helps with the last letter of both, it's as close to fact as most theories will ever be.
Gotta love the Dave theory is the LAST FNAF theory approved by MatPat before he retired from GTLive.
I think so many people questioned or denied this theory because it's so obvious and the fact everyone missed it for YEARS is frustrating
This video feels like Hyperdroid just spelling it all out for the dumb ones thay didn't comprehend this
oi 😼
@EddmondXD_003 Why the fuck are you here
😭😭😭
@@HyperDroid LMAO-
That realization of how Cassidy's solution is actually more convoluted than Dave's...
...feels similar to when I realized that in FNaF 2, the Phone Guy never tells you that you should be faster at putting on the mask for the Withereds, and that's something Markiplier stumbled onto after being killed by W. Bonnie and W. Chica for about a video and a half.
He just found the solution, we all saw it and accepted it as the default and the sensible thing to do, and now every time we play a fangame with a mask mechanic, we all put it on as quickly as possible, mainly due to PTSD, even if the game has no reaction time mechanics or at least not to such a ridiculous degree.
And like, yeah, I know it sounds intuitive that you should put the mask on to hide from their sight as fast as possible, but with how lax Toy Freddy is (the only one that works just like the Withereds, weirdly enough), you don't really have a true reason to rush it.
But the main factor for why Mark took so long wasn't even because the Phone Guy said nothing. It's how his reaction and its consequences were showcased. When you manage to trick Toy Freddy or a Withered into leaving, the screen flashes for a bit, and they disappear. When you don't do it in time, the sceeen flashes for a bit, and they disappear... and _then_ you get jumpscared after lifting the monitor. The winning outcome is presented to you in the same way as the losing outcome, so it makes things startling for you, definitely, but also kind of unclear. I mean, if it took Mark a whole video and the halfway point of the next one to think about putting the mask on more quickly, something was definitely lost in translation.
And in terms of underexplained mechanics, here's one that's also really underutilized: the camera lights. To think those were the key for making FNaF 2's 10/20 mode beatable with 0% of RNG is kinda funny. Makes me wonder if Scott had meant them to play a more prominent role in the game. Well, if only the music box didn't wind down so quickly, maybe they would. And even then, the mask is already a serviceable safety net, so there's less given reason to use the lights lol
Consider this: they can’t seem to use a lot of words to converse. The questions and answers are concise, short; they are spirits, they have limits to what they can do. If someone is trying to converse using short phrases, they’ll not give textbook answers - so no “no, I can’t hear him, but a hear sounds”; instead they would choose to “go to the point”, in a way.
Also consider they are children. Often times kids answer in “unusual” ways because they think what they’re saying is obvious; if you’re asking about dreams they had, they might assume you know of its content so they answer accordingly “I’m scared”.
That’s just to say the Dave solutions makes sense, practical sense. It’s not convoluted, or a leap; it fits the narrative, is logical, and simple.
11:55 "Game Theory cough cough sry got smth in my throat"
I love that Mike has to help both of them help each other remember. Super Poetic. I think you nailed this theory!
I really, really think we should reevaluate if Cassidy is the Fifth Missing Child.
The evidence is way too flimsy for us to be so certain.
Have you tried switching the page numbers around for the location? Like instead of doing down, then across, do across then down. Or the opposite of whatever is actually used, I'm not sure.
I genuinely don't see a single hole in this theory. No stretches, no weird logic, not pulling clues from weird places. Amazing job my man
HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I already know it will be an absolute PEAK!!! 🎉🎉🎉
I’m all about that last arguement. The classic Sherlock Holmes: when you’ve eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. The fact is that people don’t want an answer that works and benefits them when it doesn’t align with their ideals. It’s a microcosm for US politics right now. Lol
I genuinely feel anyone who doesn't believe the Dave Theory is just mad they didn't work it out themselves. The theory without this additional explanation was surperb. But kudos to you for being able to back it up further!
12:43 Part II It's a big change in the quality and you notice it right away thank you for your effort
On the topic of the two names almost mirroring each other, the constant emphasis on the word “Reflect” further proves your theory!
11 Statements and we get 11 letters 7 for Cassidy and 4 for Dave another clue
It's cool is that Mike prompts the "opposite" letter of each of the kids' names; the Y in Cassidy is the final letter, and the D in Dave is the first letter
It's also interesting that in the sequence we're given, it's the final letter of both names that is solved by Mike
I already agreed with you in the previous video but this makes it a much more solid theory than it already was! Great video too
Bravo man, this became really solid
Maybe this is just me as an autistic person with a funky lil brain, but the answer to "Do you have dreams?" being "I'm sacred." always made perfect sense to me. It's still a legitimate answer in every which way, just an unusual one
Not to mention... I just think it works with how children tend to talk anyway? They can be quite nonsensical with how they talk because they're still learning, growing & trying to understand language. They say things in a way that makes perfect sense to their young minds but might come across a little odd to us, more fully grown adults. In a way we have to interpret their language as though we were speaking two completely different ones
"Do you have dreams?"
"I'm scared." basically translates to "I experience dreams and they scare me." that's an answer a child would give without directly responding with a 'yes' or a 'no'
Glad u acknowledged the screenplay part 😅
Earnt my sub man, you did a fantastic job on this and hope to see more of you
Love ur vids hyperdroid!
I watched your last video and I agreed with you on it, than you put this out and I noticed something that has been mentioned before from other theorist about 2 people possessing Golden Freddy. From what you was saying it makes perfect sense, and if people remember the ending stories from the Faze Bear Freights and how 2 possessed the stitch wraith makes it really compelling argument. Not to mention if you listen to some of their discussions sounds like some of these where one can not see, while the other can.
I feel like the community has gaslit itself to overthink everything so much that even simple solutions appearing complicated even slightly makes them disbelieve theories.
Or worse they drown out a plausible theory because they just really really like a different theory better narratively.
Or even worse they do this subconsciously without even realizing that's the inward reason they disregard a theory.
I accept Dave as a name. It's alot better than people calling him cici. Also, I guess it makes sense, since one is vengeful, and the other one moving on.
3:13
Hyper droid: how we get Dave is actually more consistent and solid than how we get Cassidy
Also hyper droid: Evan can’t be right since it isn’t consistent for its last solution!
What if his name is just something like Timothy, and we've been overthinking it this whole time? 😂
i always wondered if "i can hear sounds" was an answer to "what do you see?", but "what do you see?" being under a mirror means "i can't see" would make more sense
HES AT IT AGAIN
i LOVE the intense background music
Matpat must be proud of you rn
The sequel we didn’t hope to get but needed
Its time
Perhaps, the puzzles were part of the log book, Mike noticed that some pages were repeated, either number wise or puzzle wise, he solved most of the puzzles, except for the I’m scared, he solved what it means and drew the nightmare Freddy for us, the next person to find his log book, Mike wants us to know who’s haunting our book.
I like that he said everyone overlooked the part with Michael being the one to solve the final letter... NOT TRUE I commented on the game theory video on his video and pointed this OUT and I'm sure others have as well so If you guys wanna go and find game theory's video and find my comment you can because I went more in depth on this
I am only a little upset on this because he did watch game theory's reaction to his video since hyper droid commented but maybe he didn't see it I didn't have much replies and only had about 500 likes on it
I even checked with a different account and my comment was in the top comments
Even with 500 likes it may still take like a bit to scroll to the comment
@@GauravSidh Yeah totally agree looking back on this is a little eh Idk why I was so bothered by this. I guess its because I went a bit deeper on that subject
MY NAME IS DAVID YEAH
Yes, there is a 2 part !!!!!
Baller theory. No other words needed.
With this theory at hand, I'm sold to it being Dave. Idc if other disagree but I truly believe this is solid enough. No questions required.
In the book the silver eyes Charlie's dad describes one of his projects as "Be loved" the same meaning as David.
I believe it was Game Theory that said that if you use the page numbers for the questions you either don’t get a letter because the second letter is a zero or you don’t get a name.
But context clues also work
I always thought the addition of the nightmare drawing made total sense. A nightmare is a scary drean. It seems very straight forward. I never got people saying it was grasping at straws.
I have a small theory:
Both Cassidy and Dave needed Micheal to help them remember each other’s names because Micheal drew nightmare under one of Cassidy’s questions to lead to one of Dave’s answers that is put into the Foxy grid started with some faded letters to find Dave’s name and he put in numbers to put into an altered word search to find Cassidy’s name.
My only real contention with this theory is Garrett.
We already had example of character named in other continuity, and being the correct one in the games.
the movie itself wants to solidify and correct some theories, like mike working at the FNaF 1 location, possibly Vanessa being an Afton, possibly showing GF as the "kipnapper" in MM. So why should be the CC name different?
And not that is too different of a character (at least from what we see) to not follow this pattern. Even Abby is a 4th wall clue to being Baby anagram, so why not Garrett?
Other than that, the theory is the best theory using the Logbook, so congrats : )
I always thought that Cassidy's felt more like the stretch, its always irked me that some solutions are deemed "too complicated" or "unrealistic" yet everyone accepts Cassidy (and Scott has confirmed it, making it even clearer that odd solutions are more reasonable than you think)
I already agreed with the theory but now I'm 99%convinced
I know that I've been sticking to this theory longer than you but now that the TalesGames has been a thing, it means there are two Daves: David Murray and David Afton (if David is the longer version of Dave). It feels weird to have to David's in one lore universe right?
I missed the premiere LOL
I agree and I think this is a great theory, only problem I can see is people are going to say “Nuh uh” or something like that (mainly to the “I’m scared” response) it’s just mighty unfortunate
The downside of his name not being Evan means i can't make jokes about it with my friend Evan
yeah, it makes sense. Crazy how people missed this over how many years?