Sony STRDA4ES No or Intermittent sound most common problem and fix for it

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  • @litzdog911
    @litzdog911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very cool that you did another Sony STR-DA4ES repair video! Your previous video inspired me to repair my STR-DA4ES with a "popping" audio symptom that changed as the Receiver warmed up. I also found many cracked solder joints and re-soldered them, which fixed the unit. My repair video is on my TH-cam channel. Thanks Dave!

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very common fault.

  • @Watcher3223
    @Watcher3223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I own an STR-DA4ES. Great receiver that I still use. Traded up from a Technics SA-DA10 many years ago.

  • @65Superhawk
    @65Superhawk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am driving to grab one of these things this evening. The thing that I like about it is that it has an integrated phono preamp and it has a cassette and a mini disc in and each of them have record out. Because I have enough music that is still on cassette and minidisc, it is attractive to have those inputs. On my current receiver I have to use a phono preamp and that input takes up one of my selectable inputs. I think I will open this thing up before I even hook it up and Reflow all of the solder joints

  • @b.powell3480
    @b.powell3480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, Dave ! He does a great job of soldering! Not sodering!!!

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Soddering sounds like something you could be criminally charged for commiting.

    • @b.powell3480
      @b.powell3480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@12voltvids lol 😆

  • @unitedinvasion2374
    @unitedinvasion2374 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank goodness you've gone back to the old intro and theme music. Just like how it was. Hated the new one.

  • @MrChrisRP
    @MrChrisRP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The sine waves in the sinks are so the heat leaves each arm the most at different spots, so as not too create too much heat in one place. It is a method of dispersing the heat better than without them.

    • @Watcher3223
      @Watcher3223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The "sine wave" in the heat sinks is what Sony referred to as the "S-Fin."
      The purpose was to ensure that each heat sink fin resonated at different frequencies during operation as opposed to all heat sink fins resonating at the same frequency. This was supposed to prevent sympathetic resonance that may result in distortion.

    • @MrChrisRP
      @MrChrisRP 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Watcher3223 Thanks for that! Some research to learn is in order tomorrow about it.

  • @tomaskorenek1259
    @tomaskorenek1259 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I there anything u can't fix ? Always when i'm looking for some hints how to fix repair things your videos popin out in results. You're the man, so much dedication and so much inspiration for me. Thank you

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is lots but you don't see those videos.

  • @mdavidhandler
    @mdavidhandler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As long as the solder is not bridging pins, use all the solder you need. The extra mass is only a problem in aircraft/high G environments. Sitting on a shelf, solder away.

    • @mdavidhandler
      @mdavidhandler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is also why heavy pins are always hand soldered after wave soldering the board.

    • @davidvalega
      @davidvalega 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mdavidhandler hey Dave , I would like to send you my Sony EV-C3 for repair how can I contact you?

    • @mdavidhandler
      @mdavidhandler 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidvalega I am not in the commercial products repair business. I currently work on military products. I do not have any spare parts for this item. Good luck

    • @davidvalega
      @davidvalega 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mdavidhandler sorry, I thought you were the 12voltvid guy that makes the TH-cam videos

    • @zulumax1
      @zulumax1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I worked military circuit boards "ordalts" on torpedoes and fire control systems, my instructors for soldering were NASA certified. I was going to come to Dave's defense, but you beat me to it. His experience has taught him well, I have no issues with his soldering and he explained his reasoning to his method well. In military soldering you need to have a good visual of the conductors underneath to aid the inspector for proper wetting action, a convex fillet of solder is all that is required. This ain't that!

  • @12villages
    @12villages 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, the intermittent repair jobs are the worst. I had a stereo preamp with intermittent sound issue on one channel. Spent days on checking drivers, pots, connectors etc only to trace it to a tiny solid smd capacitor on the pre-amp. Tested fine on the multimeter but would do the intermittent dance while in circuit. These faulty smd caps have sent a whole pile of electronics to the landfill.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes intermittent troubles make service engineers go insane. When I was working in the broadcast industry we had one camera that was intermittent. The poor engineer never did solve the problem. Every time he said ur was fixed, our on a remote shoot it would break. The red registration would go out and no way to correct. Engineer was so burned our he quit, moved back east, opened his own tv repair business. Did that for several years. Closed to shop and died a few years later at 67.

  • @williamchow1624
    @williamchow1624 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do you give a hoot what others say? You are totally correct on the amount of solder and HEAT.

  • @MrChrisRP
    @MrChrisRP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Before I even get to 3 seconds in, my comment is simply, "Sony!" :)

  • @rogertyler3237
    @rogertyler3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yah That's True Those Techs Who
    Claim They Have All Those Degree's
    In This & That. You'r Are Right About That.
    Now My Uncle Bob From
    Kentucky Who Passed On Recently
    Done Great Soldering.
    & He Only When To The 8th Grade.
    & He,s The One Who Taught
    Me How To Do Soldering.

  • @bradr9903
    @bradr9903 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey thanks alot man. Im working on an STR DA-555ES and this is exactly what was wrong. Good work!

  • @Raptor50aus
    @Raptor50aus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Sony FH-100W hifi had the same problem, lots of broken solder joints :) All fixed working 100% now.

  • @villagerse
    @villagerse 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sony makes the fusible resistor in every system sometimes it has the problems. now days fusible reisistor didnt get 😊

  • @MarkRyanSchulz
    @MarkRyanSchulz ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a Sony STR-DE675, which shares a lot of the same components and design elements as this receiver. The front left channel is perfect, but the front right channel is very soft and is not discreet. When I use the balance controls, it will lower the volume on the good channel (left) but no matter where the balance is set the right channel stays at the same soft volume and never goes off, even when it should be silent and balance is set to 100% left. Also, the relays click on and off if I move the unit slightly when on, but this does not turn off the speakers at all, they keep working no matter how much the relays click. I resoldered the relay coil pins along with all the others, but I did not resolder the ICs as shown in the video. Any idea what could be causing this?

  • @leeselectronicwidgets
    @leeselectronicwidgets 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My STR-DB780 has a similar construction, and had non-obvious dry joint issues causing it to go into protection mode randomly. Ended up reflowing a lot on the main board and is a great unit

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lead free Solder. The main problem with electronics.

  • @veb92168
    @veb92168 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome receiver amp , love the older sonys!

  • @nickR6rider
    @nickR6rider 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you run into these intermittent sound/power issues on the Sony STR-DH550 model? I get a fully functional receiver for hours and then no sound/display. I come back later and powers on a works fine. Im guessing an over heating issue?

  • @JuanBataan
    @JuanBataan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The bigger the solder joint the better. Greetings from Philippines

  • @sackick
    @sackick 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    is this a rosin flux wire and what size wire are you using?

  • @Synthematix
    @Synthematix ปีที่แล้ว

    My sony str-db940 powers on and relay clicks but has no sound at all, ive reflowed the mainboard still no sound, it doesnt go in to protect mode, and if i crank the volume to maximum i can just about hear the fm radio, and when i press the test tone button all the tones work on all speakers but again i have to crank the volume to the max to faintly hear them, dont think any of the darlington setup are shorted, i did notice cracks around the voltage amplifiers but ive reflowed them now and checked several fusible resistors, the b+ voltage is present so is the b- im kinda stuck on where to look next, i think a good idea would be to add metal paperclips to these voltage amplifiers to dissipate some heat.

  • @mikeschoettler8851
    @mikeschoettler8851 ปีที่แล้ว

    @12voltvids i have a da555es and im getting a protechtion ( FAN ) can you point me in the right dirction i redid driver ic solder on the 3 that it has i dont see any caps that are swollen im out of ideas please help thanks

  • @dzBOXgaming
    @dzBOXgaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi i have a hst-471 and after a couple of minutes of use there's weird noses that came out from the speakers and i don't think the problem is from the speaker but by the unit itself so if you have any idea plz help

  • @Steffanovitch73
    @Steffanovitch73 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You tell em! You've probably forgotten more than most haters know.

  • @vdochev
    @vdochev 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The HDMI output on my DA3300ES does not work - blank screen. Analogue monitor out works, however. Is it potentially something that can be fixed?

  • @pixxtratus
    @pixxtratus วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi, great video. My Sony mhc-dp800av sound stopped😢. I'm no electrician savvy but I'm a little daring into that matters 😁.
    I took some photos from the inside of my stereo and i can see something interesting. How can i send you photos and Please give me an advice?

  • @Kevclark78
    @Kevclark78 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi I have a Sony Str dh800 and it all works fine apart from the volume I have to have the volume on Max to even hear it. Any ideas please?

  • @MrChrisRP
    @MrChrisRP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok, well surely, those heat sinks are large enough for the finals and do the job well - for them! Sony always seems to be on point in this regard, but a fan is needed in this design and similar to prevent the solder cracks that the heat sinks themselves now cause to the rest of the unit. A cheap but quality fan and some cents worth of components and this design goes from 9 to 10. What does everyone else think? Agreed?

    • @Rob.DB.
      @Rob.DB. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      im wiyh u ! also gonna put one n mine this weekend for sure. anything there would be better than nothing... like the one i pulled from an old dell tower i found on the curb many years ago ! I Love it when i can re-purpose items saved from the landfill to better/ protect my ancient components ! .Ahhhh...feels nice !

    • @MrChrisRP
      @MrChrisRP 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rob.DB. It's been a while, but desktops are always an awesome find, regardless of the power of the components. Good luck!

  • @justincrossley1913
    @justincrossley1913 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are the common problems of Denon avr 5805 I have the more expensive 1 with more HDMI inputs I get mine repaired next week

  • @FIXDIY
    @FIXDIY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you

  • @paulb4uk
    @paulb4uk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does indeed look a quality unit and not to bad to work on Thanks for the video

  • @tejtrambharatt5182
    @tejtrambharatt5182 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work. Sir I have a Technics SUV-7 I bought it not working can I ship it to you so you can let me know if it is fixable?

  • @brianbourgeois6896
    @brianbourgeois6896 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video. I have the same receiver and the power switch does not work. Do you have any recommendations?

  • @MikinessAnalog
    @MikinessAnalog 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quick question:
    Do you see this thermal expansion more or less on lead-free solder or on leaded?
    I was thinking (logically) whichever has the higher melting point would see less of this occurring, but I could be wrong.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is more of a problem with lead free. The big problem is it is hard and brittle. The copper wire it is bonding is softer. Because the metals are different yhetevwull always be slight resistance at the bond. This resistance will produce heat in high current applications. Also heat from the component travels down the lead. This caused the copper to expand. Copper expands at about twice the rate as tin. Over time this expansion will increase the diameter of the lead free bond which will increase the gap when the wire cools which leads to more resistance and more heat. Eventually the bond breaks. High lead solder is soft and expands and contracts better with the copper. Lead free is shit. The only reason we are using it is because the EU defended it. This is the same block of countries that pumped out millions of diesel cars claiming they were cleaner than gas cars while using software to make them appear clean when being tested and then letting them belch all kinds of toxins into the air when they weren't being tested.

  • @genehudson665
    @genehudson665 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can see you know what your talking about. Great job.

  • @cspower7259
    @cspower7259 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My theory of putting loads of solder on is that 1. It gives more support. 2. I reckon it gives better heatsinking. Weather that's true or not.

    • @Watcher3223
      @Watcher3223 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Putting more solder, provided that it has flowed properly to form a good joint between the component lead and the pad on the board, would help the joint to better resist cracking from thermal cycling (the board expands when warmed up and contracts when cooled down).
      That said, you can use too much solder, but usually the concern would be a risk of causing a short to neighboring joints, which is what do not want to have happen on a power amplifier circuit.

  • @jameskrivitsky9715
    @jameskrivitsky9715 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Dave, another reminder that "factory production " has it's weaknesses....skimpy rapid process workmanship....usually automated. Nice reminder to use quality lead based SOLDER for longer lasting connections. Keep the V-twin puttin' like here in HOTston Texas. Have you been to Sturgis ? JwgK

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, I don't go that far on the bike. Usually stick within 100 miles of home and return every night. I don't chance getting caught in bad weather.

    • @jameskrivitsky9715
      @jameskrivitsky9715 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@12voltvids If you get the urge to chalk it off your bucket list, then check the options and consider this as a future 'Voyage " ... your fellow Hog Slapper and electronics enthusiast . JwgK

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jameskrivitsky9715
      Well I am inadmissible in the USA now because I was given pfyzer then moderna so i am blacklisted even though according to the CDC and every other health agency they are equivelant but not to us border services so i can't come down even if I wanted to.

  • @THOMMGB
    @THOMMGB 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dave,
    Thanks for showing this repair. I didn't know there was such a thing as a fusible resistor. Why not just use a regular fuse which is easy to spot and check?

    • @MrChrisRP
      @MrChrisRP 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The resistance is necessary for proper operation of the circuit. The circuit also needs a fuse. The two dead birds thing. One stone.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly.

    • @THOMMGB
      @THOMMGB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrChrisRP Thanks for the quick answer.

    • @THOMMGB
      @THOMMGB 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@12voltvids Dave,
      Thanks for the reassuring quick agreement of the above statement.

    • @video99couk
      @video99couk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Often the currents required are too low for a reliable fuse operation. You can get 100mA fuses for example, but they can be fragile.

  • @ahmadalawadhi538
    @ahmadalawadhi538 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you are very hi professional person sir

  • @anthonycoleman3019
    @anthonycoleman3019 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video ! You know your stuff! I have this receiver if I ever have any problems I'm going to reach out to you.

  • @glasshunter376
    @glasshunter376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant imagine doing this type of work; very much out of my wheelhouse but this video does raise a question. You talked about using alot of heat. What is the proper temp to set a soldering iron at to do this project?

    • @JerryPemberton
      @JerryPemberton 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would guess somewhere between 350 and 400 celsius

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well I use 700 F as that is what my iron displays.

  • @audioman3017
    @audioman3017 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job as usual sir!

  • @rwdplz1
    @rwdplz1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love those ES receivers

  • @markpirateuk
    @markpirateuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is not just amps that suffer the Sony solder issues, I have had the same problem with TV's as well.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lead free solder is an issue but even leases solder has broken connections. Wave soldering was the problem.

  • @Learnelectronics738
    @Learnelectronics738 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great you video, I like

  • @hector7060
    @hector7060 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video PRO Thank You

  • @Sctronic209
    @Sctronic209 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent grasshopper.

  • @Steve-mp7by
    @Steve-mp7by 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I only use lead free solder because it has a higher melting point than the rosin core

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's also more brittle. I work only with 60/40 rosin core.

    • @Steve-mp7by
      @Steve-mp7by 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@12voltvids with lead free you can only use the best like Kester. I never had any problems from units repaired 20 years and I repaired a bunch of old Onkyos and they get hot af

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Steve-mp7by I've used Kester LF. Leaded is still better. 63/37 is ok.

    • @Watcher3223
      @Watcher3223 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In normal operation, the components will never get hot enough to where the melting point is a concern. Besides, you have real, albeit unlikely, problems if the joints are getting hot enough for that to be an issue.
      As Dave points out, regular solder has better ductility than lead free solder, which has advantages over how the joint can endure thermal cycling over an extended period of time.

    • @paulb4661
      @paulb4661 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@12voltvids Nothing like the smell of lead in the morning ! 😉

  • @somebodyx
    @somebodyx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A "cracking" good repair job I have to say

  • @kyoudaiken
    @kyoudaiken 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm just a mere hobbyist. But I cannot understand people who are just hobbyists saying you're soldering wrong. People need to respect people that worked in the repair industry for 20+ years. I don't understand why nobody is able to see that they still need to learn a lot about something. Even the professionals never cease learning something new. I don't get their mindset. I don't get the mindset wanting to be the kind of everything. There's always someone better than you.

  • @ronniepirtlejr2606
    @ronniepirtlejr2606 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really don't care what people have to say about my soldering.
    If you don't like how my soldering looks then, go solder on your own Electronics!👍🇺🇸

  • @rogertyler3237
    @rogertyler3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dose It Have Bluetooth?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you think?

    • @rogertyler3237
      @rogertyler3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@12voltvids what I Like About
      My Turntable It's Bluetooth. Which
      Means No Stereo Patch Cables
      To Mess Around With. That's Wat
      I Like About The Stereo Too.
      I Can Stream My CD's I Load Onto
      My Laptop Phone & Tablet.📱

    • @rogertyler3237
      @rogertyler3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@12voltvids yah Those SONY TV's
      Are Just Like Zenith's They Have
      Such A Natural Color. I Went
      To Target In 2014 & It Too Has A Such
      A Natural Color Too.🎨🌈🔴🔵⚪️
      Around The Fall Of 2015 Me & This
      Friend Whent Up to Lake Superior
      & Boy Oh Boy Dose That Thing Take
      Good Pictures. I Ask My ILS Worker
      Of Mine I Bet If I Took That Camera
      To Montana Or South Dakota
      I'd Get Some Good Pics.

    • @rogertyler3237
      @rogertyler3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@12voltvids oh You Can Make
      An Older Stereo Bluetooth. All You
      Need To Do Is Hook Up A Bluetooth
      Receiver To The Aux Input Of The
      Stereo.

    • @rogertyler3237
      @rogertyler3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@12voltvids I Trancefer Stuff To
      CD All The Time. Even Old LP's. &
      They Just Sound Great.

  • @marcdowling
    @marcdowling ปีที่แล้ว

    That was a great video

  • @rectify2003
    @rectify2003 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Fix

  • @joelcarson4602
    @joelcarson4602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Late 1980's early 1990's RCA TV's, a pound of solder and an hour of time thanks to "safety" solder.

  • @EastAngliaUK
    @EastAngliaUK 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    quite a few problems at least its now good.

  • @akepatinagaraju8564
    @akepatinagaraju8564 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👌👌👌👍👍👍

  • @nononsenseBennett
    @nononsenseBennett 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice job! Very interesting diagnostic.

  • @JasonHalversonjaydog
    @JasonHalversonjaydog 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    according to google it is pronounced "sodder"with no L even though it's spelled that way, this is what it gives as the pronouciation " /ˈsädər/ " It's different in canada, but that's how it is in the US version of google. says (/ˈsoʊldər/,[1] /ˈsɒldər/[1] or in North America /ˈsɒdər/[2])

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Americans are wrong.

  • @markmarkofkane8167
    @markmarkofkane8167 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think "sodder" was supposed to be pronounced "saulder" but people dropped the L accidently in Pronounciation.
    I could be wrong.

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice solder drum with a black line of death, lack of solder and too big pcb holes.
    10 Ohm to 18K, madness :-D

  • @weerobot
    @weerobot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow That a Tank...

  • @fredflintstone1
    @fredflintstone1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am not sure there is such a thing as too much Solder?? :-)

  • @rogertyler3237
    @rogertyler3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So When The Word Solder Is Pronounced
    The L Is Silent.

  • @FuriousTortoise
    @FuriousTortoise ปีที่แล้ว

    I always make a solder ‘hersheys kiss’ and I’ve gotten crap for it before. Always keyboard elites but never friends and customers.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  ปีที่แล้ว

      The keyboard warriors can shove their keyboards up their a55 and go rotate for awhile as far as i am concerned.

  • @rogertyler3237
    @rogertyler3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They Don't Make Receivers Like That Anymore.
    Compared To What They Make Nowadays.
    Nowadays you'd Be Lucky If One Of Those
    New ones Would Last 2 Years.

  • @Madness832
    @Madness832 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sodduh :D

  • @janchristensen9858
    @janchristensen9858 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope you soon upload new video again and not upload old video with you made mix your talking into it.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am shooting new videos as repairs come in. Many (literally hundreds) have asked me to shorten some of the old ones. The long drawn out old versions are eventually going to be put in the subscriber only bin. A few people might like the long drawn out videos, but majority rules and when I get about 50 to 1 in favor of the new format it has encouraged me to continue. Not every old video will be refreshed, but they will continue as it opens up these long boring videos to a new market. I can't ignore the numbers. This is what people want to see. You will see fewer product reviews of things as these do not generate the views, and thus the revenue, so I will be doing less of those in the future. Unless it is something really cool, then I may do it.

  • @TimBorg
    @TimBorg ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bought a used Sony STR-DH810 and it looks like it works but NO SOUND
    WTF should I do?
    I have tried this resetting thing