This isn't just how Apple works - it's how computers work. You build a faster CPU, software engineers take advantage of the new power and do new things like AI. I updated to M1 because my 2018 MacBook Pro couldn't run the Mercury 6 synth plugin by Cherry Audio. Companies aren't going to stop innovating because of compatibility with old hardware.
That's life in the computer world things never stop advancing been that way since the beginning. Apple supports old versions of hardware and software more than any other company.
I have a M1 chip a Mac 12 don’t worry about it. You’re not really left out. They’re still a lot of great things on logic Pro and there’s a lot of third-party plug-ins that could do the same.😊
@@mutzmusic5737 As M-chip owner, I second Justin thoughts. No need for you to upgrade your machinery, if it runs well (I am sure it does, as I did have 2018 like yours previously (no I didn't get rid of it, I just left my previous job, so I had to give back that computer, because it was not mine). It's ridiculous and almost outrages how corporate, like Apple forces you to spend thousands of dollars every years as we are sort of millionaires. You are not missing out that much. Stem Splitter is really mediocre, only usable for education purpose, as it doesn't sound that great. Splitting track are full of artefacts, bleed ins, so not really usable for professional work, only as I said for education purpose - to check how musicians play each part. Chroma Glow is... Ok, I mean it does the job, but you can easily get any free saturation plugin to do same job and use less CPU (yes, Chroma Glow uses quite a lot of CPU). Only fascinating feature I find in Logic 11 is Session Players which you can use as well on Intel Mac, so hooray! So yeah... To summarise, you basically don't miss anything. Stay strong!
Nothing is forever. Right now the line has been Intel vs M chips. I’m sure next will be versions of Apple Silicon beginning to not get updates. Honestly the mastering plugin is nothing to write home about. I have an Intel 13” MBP so I can speak to seeing the writing on the wall. My wife has a M2 Air and let me tell you, the hype about Apple silicon is real. The battery life and speed at which that thing runs is amazing. The M4 might be my time to make the jump and trust me I’m not thrilled about spending the money but the fact I have an entire studio in a 3.5 lb laptop is worth the price of admission.
Nope - you're lucky to get 8 years out of Apple now and it has got shorter and shorter. Make the software cheap and the hardware expensive and slowly move the goal posts so you have you upgrade your hardware. 2 years from now M1 owners will also be moaning as they begin to get locked out of features because they don't have enough 'neural cores' to run the AI or AGI bit of the new upgrade. Logic is a great DAW and yours for a one off payment but you'll have to keep buying the latest chip to keep up. We're at M4 already! It's the Apple business model and it's deliberate and well planned.Why care about screwing over your customers if enough of them keep buying into it..? and the share price keeps going up.
Isn't that just typical Apple? In 2006 they would sell you a PowerMac G5 for $3300 ($5100 in today's money) that wouldn't be able to run Snow Leopard when it released in 2009.
@@ugh.idontwanna yeah probably - to be honest its still fine for me - I have a pretty good workflow anyway so not sure how much the missing features will effect me anyway but just feels like for an investment that large it would have been nice to not have to consider upgrading for a long time!
I have a M1 only because my 2012 MacBook Pro would not have a system installed on it no matter what I did.. & I have physical disks of every Mac OS X version.. so I needed to get up an running asap so I got the base M1 Mac mini! The fun thing is.. I will probably never use the Ai features as the kinds of music I make have no use for them.. the I have thought about the drummers fills as I always struggle with making fill patterns. so yeah.
Thanks for the video. You have cleared up some things for me. I am using a MacBook pro with Intel and am considering getting a second hand Mac mini M1. It does not seem urgent from this. The choices are still endless….
Don't feel bad you don't have the latest gimmicks, you've got an insanely powerful machine with one of the best DAWs with loads of abilities, use them, your machine might last a decade, enjoy it, why do you need the latest everything? You don't! Use what you have and enjoy it, don't be bitter about it at all.
2020 intel Mac user here 🙋🏽♂️. Looks like im stuck with using 3rd party apps to keep my workflow “STEADY” not faster lol. My biggest workflow improvements i need are stem splitting and browsing drums while music plays. No updates for browsing samples even with the all powerful M1/Silicon smh but YAY for stem splitting but NOPE NOT FOR INTEL USERS!! 🤬
A workaround is to right click on the tracks in the mixer you want to rearrange, click "create track". Those mixer tracks will now show up in your arrangement window. Rearrange them in arrangement view as to the order you want to see them in your mixer. Not perfect but it works!
That’s Apple SOP (Standard Operating Procedure). The objective is to continuously force you into new hardware. You should resist this as long as you can. One way would be to migrate to another DAW and leave Logic Pro behind. It’s only going to get worse. I would love to leave Apple and Microsoft behind but how I work won’t allow me to at this time. DAW and VST Linux support isn’t there yet.
I dont really understand the complains. I have zero knowledge about sound/music apps, and i'm sure this is also a part of the usual Apple-tricks, BUT: you have a 6 years old machine, and everything is developing very quickly, so they need to cut the line somewhere sometimes. Your machine is capable (i have a 2018 macbookpro too), but it is very far from the actual M-series. If compatibility is key too long time, the development is suffering. Its the same as in console-industry. The new games come only to PS5/Xbox Series machines... sad, but this is the future/present.
Exactly the attitude they need to carry on doing the same thing. Change comes from action, complaint, and collectively we as the customer have far more power than we realise. as I said above enought buy into it no change.... enough stand up as say wait a minute... then you might get a change.
This isn't just how Apple works - it's how computers work. You build a faster CPU, software engineers take advantage of the new power and do new things like AI. I updated to M1 because my 2018 MacBook Pro couldn't run the Mercury 6 synth plugin by Cherry Audio. Companies aren't going to stop innovating because of compatibility with old hardware.
That's life in the computer world things never stop advancing been that way since the beginning. Apple supports old versions of hardware and software more than any other company.
I have a M1 chip a Mac 12 don’t worry about it. You’re not really left out. They’re still a lot of great things on logic Pro and there’s a lot of third-party plug-ins that could do the same.😊
True, there are a lot of great things you can still do with Logic Pro.
@@mutzmusic5737 As M-chip owner, I second Justin thoughts. No need for you to upgrade your machinery, if it runs well (I am sure it does, as I did have 2018 like yours previously (no I didn't get rid of it, I just left my previous job, so I had to give back that computer, because it was not mine). It's ridiculous and almost outrages how corporate, like Apple forces you to spend thousands of dollars every years as we are sort of millionaires. You are not missing out that much. Stem Splitter is really mediocre, only usable for education purpose, as it doesn't sound that great. Splitting track are full of artefacts, bleed ins, so not really usable for professional work, only as I said for education purpose - to check how musicians play each part. Chroma Glow is... Ok, I mean it does the job, but you can easily get any free saturation plugin to do same job and use less CPU (yes, Chroma Glow uses quite a lot of CPU). Only fascinating feature I find in Logic 11 is Session Players which you can use as well on Intel Mac, so hooray! So yeah... To summarise, you basically don't miss anything. Stay strong!
Nothing is forever. Right now the line has been Intel vs M chips. I’m sure next will be versions of Apple Silicon beginning to not get updates. Honestly the mastering plugin is nothing to write home about. I have an Intel 13” MBP so I can speak to seeing the writing on the wall. My wife has a M2 Air and let me tell you, the hype about Apple silicon is real. The battery life and speed at which that thing runs is amazing. The M4 might be my time to make the jump and trust me I’m not thrilled about spending the money but the fact I have an entire studio in a 3.5 lb laptop is worth the price of admission.
the Ai thing is not really worth it as a multi instrumentalist its pointless there's really nothing that is truly ground breaking
Nope - you're lucky to get 8 years out of Apple now and it has got shorter and shorter. Make the software cheap and the hardware expensive and slowly move the goal posts so you have you upgrade your hardware. 2 years from now M1 owners will also be moaning as they begin to get locked out of features because they don't have enough 'neural cores' to run the AI or AGI bit of the new upgrade. Logic is a great DAW and yours for a one off payment but you'll have to keep buying the latest chip to keep up. We're at M4 already! It's the Apple business model and it's deliberate and well planned.Why care about screwing over your customers if enough of them keep buying into it..? and the share price keeps going up.
Isn't that just typical Apple? In 2006 they would sell you a PowerMac G5 for $3300 ($5100 in today's money) that wouldn't be able to run Snow Leopard when it released in 2009.
I spent £15k on an iMac Pro in 2017 - its still a beast but it hurts that this stuff won't work and the trade in price is like £900
@@UncoolAdam I'm almost afraid to ask, but what kind of specs did you get for £15k back then?
@@ugh.idontwanna 2.3Ghz 18 core Intel Xeon 128gb RAM pro vega 64 16 Graphics card 4 Tb SSD storage
@@UncoolAdam Still a pretty impressive machine! Surely you'd be able to get a better price on eBay or the like?
@@ugh.idontwanna yeah probably - to be honest its still fine for me - I have a pretty good workflow anyway so not sure how much the missing features will effect me anyway but just feels like for an investment that large it would have been nice to not have to consider upgrading for a long time!
I have a M1 only because my 2012 MacBook Pro would not have a system installed on it no matter what I did.. & I have physical disks of every Mac OS X version..
so I needed to get up an running asap so I got the base M1 Mac mini!
The fun thing is.. I will probably never use the Ai features as the kinds of music I make have no use for them.. the I have thought about the drummers fills as I always struggle with making fill patterns.
so yeah.
Thanks for the video. You have cleared up some things for me. I am using a MacBook pro with Intel and am considering getting a second hand Mac mini M1. It does not seem urgent from this. The choices are still endless….
Thanks for watching. Hopefully, my video wasn't too long. I'm not exactly a professional TH-cam blogger..Lol
I got a m1 16 ram and its still fast for production. I did see the m2 base minis for 479 right now.
Don't feel bad you don't have the latest gimmicks, you've got an insanely powerful machine with one of the best DAWs with loads of abilities, use them, your machine might last a decade, enjoy it, why do you need the latest everything? You don't! Use what you have and enjoy it, don't be bitter about it at all.
Fair point. Sometimes you got be thankful for what you have and not worry about what you don't have.
2020 intel Mac user here 🙋🏽♂️. Looks like im stuck with using 3rd party apps to keep my workflow “STEADY” not faster lol. My biggest workflow improvements i need are stem splitting and browsing drums while music plays. No updates for browsing samples even with the all powerful M1/Silicon smh but YAY for stem splitting but NOPE NOT FOR INTEL USERS!! 🤬
As per my video, I found LALAL.AI very good for Stem Splitting, but you do have to pay to use it.
looks like Slap bass is part of the M chip list, or am i missing something?
I am leaving logic for sure. They will go down like Cakewalk Sonar
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Don’t care about AI…. Why the flip can we still not rearrange channel strips around in the mixer!!!!!! 🙄
A workaround is to right click on the tracks in the mixer you want to rearrange, click "create track". Those mixer tracks will now show up in your arrangement window. Rearrange them in arrangement view as to the order you want to see them in your mixer. Not perfect but it works!
I totally agree with this. Logic screwed everybody who doesn’t own a M1 chip
This is why I use Digital Performer.
Apple has gotten greedy under Tim Cook. Sad.
What do you expect from crApple?
Get Cuba’s pro !!!! Done !!
That’s Apple SOP (Standard Operating Procedure). The objective is to continuously force you into new hardware. You should resist this as long as you can.
One way would be to migrate to another DAW and leave Logic Pro behind. It’s only going to get worse.
I would love to leave Apple and Microsoft behind but how I work won’t allow me to at this time. DAW and VST Linux support isn’t there yet.
I dont really understand the complains. I have zero knowledge about sound/music apps, and i'm sure this is also a part of the usual Apple-tricks, BUT:
you have a 6 years old machine, and everything is developing very quickly, so they need to cut the line somewhere sometimes.
Your machine is capable (i have a 2018 macbookpro too), but it is very far from the actual M-series. If compatibility is key too long time, the development is suffering. Its the same as in console-industry. The new games come only to PS5/Xbox Series machines... sad, but this is the future/present.
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Moaning about inevitable obsolescence, planned or otherwise seems about as futile and pointless as trying to beat sense into a liberal.
Exactly the attitude they need to carry on doing the same thing. Change comes from action, complaint, and collectively we as the customer have far more power than we realise. as I said above enought buy into it no change.... enough stand up as say wait a minute... then you might get a change.
Ok. Your whining and whinging stopped this before 1 minute was up. You're not contributing anything.
buy a used M1. simple. it is how things work! Right?! Yes! Plus, if you still get good work done, don't bother.
Lol, I just upgraded to a Mac Studio in March 🙂