"I can only note that the past is beautiful because one never realises an emotion at the time. It expands later, and thus we don't have complete emotions about the present, only about the past." --Virginia Woolf
I would like to thank TED for all these amazing videos about the Brain. During my educational life i was not sure about with what i wanted to do with my life. Thanks to these videos, my love for nerves and brain has awakened.I appreciate a lot your efforts for helping human kind, but also me who you helped A LOT
I wonder if he understood the ambiguity of that statement. A bad memory is where you can't remember things. A bad memory is a negative memory that you can recall.
...and suffers several times from the same bad but forgotten expiriense. If saving your life is a value then avoiding "bad things" is smarter then having "more pleasure"
Thank you so much for talking of this very important argument and explaining very well what is PTSD and how to overcome it. Lovely watching and listening to you here on the top of Italian mountain.
As a PTSD sufferer this encouraged me. I would do anything to be able to do seemingly the simplest of tasks without paralyzing fear which seems to come from out of nowhere.
That graph about fear levels and memory activation/ optimisation is so interesting and makes so much sense to my life! If you take something too seriously, you can't activate your brain, if you do not take something seriously enough, you cannot activate your brain either. The key to brain optimisation is therefore to take something fairly serious on a day-to-day level and being lax towards something generally then getting super hyped every so often just does not work with high brain optimisation and high achievement - amazing how easy it is to forget this in the world and fall into the complacency/ super hyped trap.
Excellent talk, and the great news is - we can already change memories much quicker and easier than you may expect - and without Propranolol, or any other drug - if we edit the original "reference" (non-declarative, emotional - childhood - memory), first. The one that created the "reference" for the response to the trauma experience. Then, as Amy Milton points out in this talk, we can still remember the original event, but without the emotional response.
Sometimes, those traumatic memories also help you to not repeat the same kind of mistakes which you made and save you from creating another haunting memory. That's what PTSD has taught me.
That's why she put an emphasis on the fact that declarative memory was not affected. It was also mentioned that the participants could recall the memory and still had the ability to explain the triggers. Much like if you've burned yourself on the stove. Cooking in the future doesn't cause anxiety but your brain has that memory that tells you to be more cautious next time you follow through that action. Your brain doesn't need such extreme responses in our day to day lives. With the amount of safety that we enjoy in developed countries a lot of our primitive survival instincts are null and void. Those like PTSD tend to interfere more than they help. Soldiers for example when home don't need those triggers that keep them safe in war. When PTSD is present it can get in the way of what now needs to be done, which is to go to work and make a living. Soldiers tend to have some of the more severe cases. But what I'm trying to say is that what is great about this treatment if it comes to fruition is that it can turn off that trigger for an extreme reaction while still keeping the memory intact with the ability to explain more or less why that situation was dangerous. You would still maintain the ability to learn from that experience and apply it in following situations when needed.
Yep but ptsd is also crippling..she is talking of not deleting the memory but being able to alter the emotional connection to it..the fear and terror of ptsd that is so damaging..so you don't lose the memory you lose the ptsd ..tbh in my situation right now i would so be grateful for that
As a person with PTSD the memories of trauma aren't the issue, the actual trauma is and how that affects you. Most of my trauma I don't remember, so some of those memories aren't being remembered, but they still affect me regardless and only therapy has helped. See describes how people with PTSD store memories about their trauma but my own memories are extremely vivid and I can tell you every detail of what was happening and describe every aspect, in fact my trauma based memories are my strongest in terms of nonemotional information of course along side emotional information. God damn lady, I don't want my trauma memories erased, I just want them to be treated and have help living with them. That trauma is major aspect of who I am now, don't get rid of it, and especially don't get rid of my worst moments because we only consciously experience emotions after having contrast to understand them with; my darkest moments make my bright one even brighter, don't take that away!
Time Line Therapy(R) works for PTSD and doesn't involve 'destroying memory', which could be problematic as it would leave a gap in memory. This process involves removing the emotional charge on traumatic and stops the trigger response. The Rewind Technique is also used to treat PTSD successfully and is similar to Time Line Therapy(R).
*ap·o·plex·y* /ˈapəˌpleksē/ (noun) 1. _unconsciousness or incapacity resulting from a cerebral hemorrhage or stroke._ 2. _incapacity or speechlessness caused by extreme anger._ (ex: "TED often manage to drive decent, thoughtful human beings into a state of apoplexy.") EDIT: ill-considered wording, based on immediate emotional reaction
What a leap forward in mental health! Reprogramming the brain to run in a typical manor as opposed to the atypical mix-ups. Is that what all mental problems are, memories that aren't cataloged properly?
What if PTSD puts memories into a vault in the hippocampus that isn’t accessible from the conscious (working) brain, and can only be accessed by the subconscious (passive) brain? Therefore, the fears seem irrational because it isn’t consciously attached to a memory, but the memory is still stored in the vault. 🤔
Its "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind", this could get out of control for regular people who want to clear their mind of an ex lover. Trauma and flashbacks, war zone memories 100% ok to do it.
by recalling the memory, feeling all the events through it...you are in edit mode...during this mode if you play tetris or make house chores(intergrate whatever info you want I guess) ...you reduce the bad effect of PTST , she is supporing...amazing TED eX video !
She didn't make it clear but by the sound of it, recalling the memory and doing an activity of the same sensory type (ie flashbacks = Tetris) This forces the brain to add this extra sensory data to the original memory as the circuits are all active together and the data gets all jumbled up.
"Memories" is one of the human's adaptational mechanisms, which allows to remember how and where positive expiriense was achieved in regards to reproduce it again if needed and also remember the negative experience in regards to know how to avoid it. Why should we think about possibility of how to maladapt a human? Even if we can edit smth connected with memories we cannot edit facts which caused these memories.
Please don't. I don't want a real life version of the game "Remember Me" where this technology gets into wrong hands and destroys human freedom. I also don't want to live in Total Recall.
The editing, renegotiating of traumatic memories, and laying down of new neural pathways can be done withour dissociation, or overwhelm, or drugs that overwhelm the physiology. This has been done out of the Canadian Foundation for Trauna and Research with Self Regulation Therapy for 25 years. It's just not funded from a large university with a lab but is a resilience building nervous sytem regulating modality that is effective with PTSD and all traumatic experience. Having patients recall and retell their traumas is contraindicated for creating new neural pathways without disassociating....like with tetris or EMDR. And while test in rats with drugs we do that because they cannot cognitively participate in rewiring their nervous system the way humans can.
Tara Miller Self regulation therapy is just another bs mind-body therapy that does nothing but give people suffering hope that will just end in disappointment and possibly added trauma.
@@aggravatedHart I know that's a common experience with EMDR also. I would love to hear more about your negative experience with SRT so I can share that feedback with the creators of it too.
Can anyone share the article that is referenced at the bottom of the screen? I am a PhD candidate in Ed Psych and interested in the original research. Specifically the info on declarative and non-declaritive memory and stress levels effect on these.
It’s not the point. Stop saying “memory destroying” and then admit the memory is still there, just not emotional any more. That’s fine for someone who is scared because they had a fall, my memories I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. I don’t want to remember them. Even without the emotional loading, they are still the memories you just don’t want in your head. I found this video disappointing. After counselling, CBT, EMDR, the whole gamut....I’ve still got the nasty memories of what was done to me. And it looks like they’re staying........apparently I just won’t be so upset about them anymore.
if you can remove one, you might be able to overwrite too, means you can give people memories that are not real.. super teaching, or modifying people to know only what you want them to know.. dangerous science, but important science, could be used for both good and bad depending on who uses it
Ok. But how could we access the "edit mode"? I know just a psychologist should do it, but to explain it to him what words should I use? Can't tell him - hey do you know my word file? Can you erase something here while I take those pills and play some Tetris?
I want to jump ahead to the technology where we can upload information into our brains like Johnny Mnemonic or The Matrix. Pay a one shot fee for a 2,4,6,8 or 10 year college education. Of course, the more information, the more expensive the fee. Just like in the traditional sense of learning.
Also the movie "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" and the game "remember me" are about editing and erasing memories, both very good stories that question the ethics of altering your own mind
Does it works to long term memories or just recent memories? The experiment uses recent memories, with a quick exposure to traumatic event. And the memories that are reinforced everyday, as to share the same place with a sexual offender?
This same concept literally applies to society's financial system and destroys human beings spirits that are kept in poverty. Mankind has alot of fucking work to do
If yes then you guys could have a ton of views on this video . Also does it mean that big corporations could pay to put advertisements in our memories ? Oh no!!
@@Noah-sx5hc And that's just a mild consequence. Image an elite able to alter the memories of large swaths of the population. This technology could lead to one of the most dystopian worlds imaginable.
Noah Yi If understood it correctly it is not the fact that they forget, but the fear that came with it. So you‘d rather build your own army of fearless soldiers because they do not get traumatized anymore. Something like that.
I'm curious as to why she never mentions EMDR therapy, which has helped countless PTSD sufferers. Are they trying to push this pharmaceutical? I'm also curious about those who suffer with Complex PTSD, since it's mostly an emotional response (emotional flashback) and not so much the traditional symptoms that, for example, war veterans deal with.
so if you see someone looking for cover in fear after seeng you playing tetris this is one of her clients. i'd be impressed if in the end of the lecture the lecturer pet a wasp
Just reading the title "Can we edit memories" Yes. Yes we can. The top intelligence agencies of this world has been doing it for many many years. There's a whole science to this... but the short answer is yes we most definitely can.
Cleaning our memory is a blessing we might be taking it for granted
"I can only note that the past is beautiful because one never realises an emotion at the time. It expands later, and thus we don't have complete emotions about the present, only about the past."
--Virginia Woolf
I would like to thank TED for all these amazing videos about the Brain. During my educational life i was not sure about with what i wanted to do with my life. Thanks to these videos, my love for nerves and brain has awakened.I appreciate a lot your efforts for helping human kind, but also me who you helped A LOT
"The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same good things for the first time."
--Friedrich Nietzsche
I wonder if he understood the ambiguity of that statement. A bad memory is where you can't remember things. A bad memory is a negative memory that you can recall.
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THIS IS ME. i can watch/read shows/books for the “first time” over and over again. :((
@@techwg he understood it better than you mate.
...and suffers several times from the same bad but forgotten expiriense. If saving your life is a value then avoiding "bad things" is smarter then having "more pleasure"
Thank you so much for talking of this very important argument and explaining very well what is PTSD and how to overcome it. Lovely watching and listening to you here on the top of Italian mountain.
As a PTSD sufferer this encouraged me. I would do anything to be able to do seemingly the simplest of tasks without paralyzing fear which seems to come from out of nowhere.
That graph about fear levels and memory activation/ optimisation is so interesting and makes so much sense to my life! If you take something too seriously, you can't activate your brain, if you do not take something seriously enough, you cannot activate your brain either. The key to brain optimisation is therefore to take something fairly serious on a day-to-day level and being lax towards something generally then getting super hyped every so often just does not work with high brain optimisation and high achievement - amazing how easy it is to forget this in the world and fall into the complacency/ super hyped trap.
Excellent talk, and the great news is - we can already change memories much quicker and easier than you may expect - and without Propranolol, or any other drug - if we edit the original "reference" (non-declarative, emotional - childhood - memory), first. The one that created the "reference" for the response to the trauma experience. Then, as Amy Milton points out in this talk, we can still remember the original event, but without the emotional response.
Sometimes, those traumatic memories also help you to not repeat the same kind of mistakes which you made and save you from creating another haunting memory. That's what PTSD has taught me.
That's why she put an emphasis on the fact that declarative memory was not affected. It was also mentioned that the participants could recall the memory and still had the ability to explain the triggers. Much like if you've burned yourself on the stove. Cooking in the future doesn't cause anxiety but your brain has that memory that tells you to be more cautious next time you follow through that action. Your brain doesn't need such extreme responses in our day to day lives. With the amount of safety that we enjoy in developed countries a lot of our primitive survival instincts are null and void. Those like PTSD tend to interfere more than they help. Soldiers for example when home don't need those triggers that keep them safe in war. When PTSD is present it can get in the way of what now needs to be done, which is to go to work and make a living. Soldiers tend to have some of the more severe cases. But what I'm trying to say is that what is great about this treatment if it comes to fruition is that it can turn off that trigger for an extreme reaction while still keeping the memory intact with the ability to explain more or less why that situation was dangerous. You would still maintain the ability to learn from that experience and apply it in following situations when needed.
Yep but ptsd is also crippling..she is talking of not deleting the memory but being able to alter the emotional connection to it..the fear and terror of ptsd that is so damaging..so you don't lose the memory you lose the ptsd ..tbh in my situation right now i would so be grateful for that
@@Krmcgchy I'm looking forward to this process in the near future
Not every traumatic memory is your fault tho
it was the most mesmerizing video and findings I have ever heard of in psychology stuff
Great job!
Ted.com so perfect channel..i develop my eng. Lang. With this channel
AHHHHHH SO INTELLIGENT AND UNDERSTANDING! ❤️❤️❤️👏👏👏
As a person with PTSD the memories of trauma aren't the issue, the actual trauma is and how that affects you. Most of my trauma I don't remember, so some of those memories aren't being remembered, but they still affect me regardless and only therapy has helped. See describes how people with PTSD store memories about their trauma but my own memories are extremely vivid and I can tell you every detail of what was happening and describe every aspect, in fact my trauma based memories are my strongest in terms of nonemotional information of course along side emotional information. God damn lady, I don't want my trauma memories erased, I just want them to be treated and have help living with them. That trauma is major aspect of who I am now, don't get rid of it, and especially don't get rid of my worst moments because we only consciously experience emotions after having contrast to understand them with; my darkest moments make my bright one even brighter, don't take that away!
This sounds wonderful, I hope more research goes into this.
Eternal sunshine of a spotless mind
I've asked this question so many times.
As a PTSD sufferer, this scares me more than excited me. Everything can be weaponized
Yup. Literally everything too
The world is fucked!!!
Wel, then you do not use it. And people who want their life back do.
"Our memory is a more perfect world than the universe: it gives back life to those who no longer exist."
--Guy de Maupassant
Poetic gibberish.
@@Miranox2 Hello hater! 🤗
Wow! You are quite a presenter! Thank you.
Ted is an great channel that allow you to get infos in many topics and it helps you to learn English in the same time.
Keep going!
Whoever is coughing in the background is giving me PTSD
Perhaps that was staged to enforce on us the sensation she was speaking to an actual audience and not just to the production team.
SAME
@@User-jr7vf perhaps it is one of the production team members themselve already having COVID-19 )
Thank You!
Very enlightening
I remember the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind while watching this and it's making me sad ☹️
Time Line Therapy(R) works for PTSD and doesn't involve 'destroying memory', which could be problematic as it would leave a gap in memory. This process involves removing the emotional charge on traumatic and stops the trigger response. The Rewind Technique is also used to treat PTSD successfully and is similar to Time Line Therapy(R).
*ap·o·plex·y* /ˈapəˌpleksē/ (noun) 1. _unconsciousness or incapacity resulting from a cerebral hemorrhage or stroke._ 2. _incapacity or speechlessness caused by extreme anger._ (ex: "TED often manage to drive decent, thoughtful human beings into a state of apoplexy.")
EDIT: ill-considered wording, based on immediate emotional reaction
What a leap forward in mental health! Reprogramming the brain to run in a typical manor as opposed to the atypical mix-ups. Is that what all mental problems are, memories that aren't cataloged properly?
Fabulous. Do the studies!
Great video 👍
Huge thanks to Amy for her great TED talk :)
amazing !!!
Thenk you 📚🇺🇸
What if PTSD puts memories into a vault in the hippocampus that isn’t accessible from the conscious (working) brain, and can only be accessed by the subconscious (passive) brain? Therefore, the fears seem irrational because it isn’t consciously attached to a memory, but the memory is still stored in the vault. 🤔
Awesome
Its "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind", this could get out of control for regular people who want to clear their mind of an ex lover. Trauma and flashbacks, war zone memories 100% ok to do it.
12:42
I watched it twice. Can anyone tell me how you open a memory in edit mode!?
by recalling the memory, feeling all the events through it...you are in edit mode...during this mode if you play tetris or make house chores(intergrate whatever info you want I guess) ...you reduce the bad effect of PTST , she is supporing...amazing TED eX video !
She didn't make it clear but by the sound of it, recalling the memory and doing an activity of the same sensory type (ie flashbacks = Tetris)
This forces the brain to add this extra sensory data to the original memory as the circuits are all active together and the data gets all jumbled up.
Great!
"Memories" is one of the human's adaptational mechanisms, which allows to remember how and where positive expiriense was achieved in regards to reproduce it again if needed and also remember the negative experience in regards to know how to avoid it. Why should we think about possibility of how to maladapt a human? Even if we can edit smth connected with memories we cannot edit facts which caused these memories.
"La vida sería imposible si todo se recordase. El secreto está en saber elegir lo que debe olvidarse."
Roger Martin du Gard
Gracias 🙏
Please don't. I don't want a real life version of the game "Remember Me" where this technology gets into wrong hands and destroys human freedom. I also don't want to live in Total Recall.
Only a matter of time
very true , this knowledge in the hands of criminal minds would be bad 🌻
The editing, renegotiating of traumatic memories, and laying down of new neural pathways can be done withour dissociation, or overwhelm, or drugs that overwhelm the physiology. This has been done out of the Canadian Foundation for Trauna and Research with Self Regulation Therapy for 25 years. It's just not funded from a large university with a lab but is a resilience building nervous sytem regulating modality that is effective with PTSD and all traumatic experience. Having patients recall and retell their traumas is contraindicated for creating new neural pathways without disassociating....like with tetris or EMDR. And while test in rats with drugs we do that because they cannot cognitively participate in rewiring their nervous system the way humans can.
Tara Miller Self regulation therapy is just another bs mind-body therapy that does nothing but give people suffering hope that will just end in disappointment and possibly added trauma.
@@aggravatedHart I know that's a common experience with EMDR also. I would love to hear more about your negative experience with SRT so I can share that feedback with the creators of it too.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️THANK YOU.
Shes a good talker
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the beginning of Total Recall.
Can anyone share the article that is referenced at the bottom of the screen? I am a PhD candidate in Ed Psych and interested in the original research. Specifically the info on declarative and non-declaritive memory and stress levels effect on these.
Google it?
I search on scholar.google.com as 'memories Amy Milton' and found many articles related
oh no...
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it
Simply not relevant.
Oh so why don’t we all get traumatized to bits to prevent us from making mistakes then?
This reminds me of the movie Bloodshot
Or Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind.
You should research Project MK-ULTRA, the Manchurian Candidate! Its been ongoing since the 50s! The CIA admitted to it in 1973 to Congress!
Incrível!
Only what we focus on.
This is good but highly weaponizable!!
What's the status of this treatment 🙏🏾.I'm suffering from PTSD
there is still question about edit mode
We edit memories with every recollection. The brain is constantly rewiring itself according to its use
It’s not the point. Stop saying “memory destroying” and then admit the memory is still there, just not emotional any more. That’s fine for someone who is scared because they had a fall, my memories I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. I don’t want to remember them. Even without the emotional loading, they are still the memories you just don’t want in your head. I found this video disappointing. After counselling, CBT, EMDR, the whole gamut....I’ve still got the nasty memories of what was done to me. And it looks like they’re staying........apparently I just won’t be so upset about them anymore.
if you can remove one, you might be able to overwrite too, means you can give people memories that are not real.. super teaching, or modifying people to know only what you want them to know.. dangerous science, but important science, could be used for both good and bad depending on who uses it
Glad to see videos being posted that are actually based on Facts..rare thing nowadays..
Ok. But how could we access the "edit mode"? I know just a psychologist should do it, but to explain it to him what words should I use? Can't tell him - hey do you know my word file? Can you erase something here while I take those pills and play some Tetris?
5:47 time zones
Is that a Sussex or Kent accent? Trying to place it
We do that already don’t we? Everytime we re-remember a memory we do it like we want it to.
*Short answer: yes*
watch at 1.50x
Great
It is the TV Show Homecoming by Prime TV in real life!
To The Moon players: *listening intensifies*
Great game
There is no such thing as "memory retrieval" it's a bluff. I surprised how many people clicked like to this bullshit.
I want to jump ahead to the technology where we can upload information into our brains like Johnny Mnemonic or The Matrix. Pay a one shot fee for a 2,4,6,8 or 10 year college education. Of course, the more information, the more expensive the fee. Just like in the traditional sense of learning.
Now this technology is definitely not gonna be exploited
Isn't there a Black Mirror episode about editing memories?
There is one about deleting them
Also the movie "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" and the game "remember me" are about editing and erasing memories, both very good stories that question the ethics of altering your own mind
I'm 24 ND can't make life choices due to this. Trauma is real and PTSD is evil
Does it works to long term memories or just recent memories? The experiment uses recent memories, with a quick exposure to traumatic event. And the memories that are reinforced everyday, as to share the same place with a sexual offender?
hmm
how can we weaponize it
If an asteroid doesn't exterminate us too soon, we'll arm the entire universe. 🙃
This same concept literally applies to society's financial system and destroys human beings spirits that are kept in poverty.
Mankind has alot of fucking work to do
Movie on editing memory "Eternal sunshine of a spotless mind "
Where it also turned out to be a bad idea
ليه فيديوهات مش بتنزل مترجمة باللغة العربية
I'd like to edit my memories to insert Amy
Stop saying stuff that's disgusting
@@gagj5740 what's disgusting? Grow up.
Mark C that comment is..that’s what disgusting
I am guessing you are a man judging by your guts you have to openly sexualize a woman
@@gagj5740do u know that you are acting very rude?
It is a slippery slope in being able to edit memory.
Is there a pill to erase memorie like trauma🙏🏾
i personally suffer from PTSD, if this proves effective it would change my and many other worlds. Thank you for your effort, sincerely.
I have PTSD too and absolutely hate what this new treatment would be doing
You still have your head, so that you have memories.
So from now on i will play Tetris during all my dates
If yes then you guys could have a ton of views on this video .
Also does it mean that big corporations could pay to put advertisements in our memories ? Oh no!!
The playing tetris part is really really really interesting I think! I want to learn more about the way memory works
Talk about a BAD IDEA...
10:45
Something like this while created for good, will be used the opposite way you can be sure.
@@Noah-sx5hc And that's just a mild consequence. Image an elite able to alter the memories of large swaths of the population. This technology could lead to one of the most dystopian worlds imaginable.
@@Noah-sx5hc long since done, read yourself 1984 😁
MY thoughts exactly...
Noah Yi If understood it correctly it is not the fact that they forget, but the fear that came with it. So you‘d rather build your own army of fearless soldiers because they do not get traumatized anymore. Something like that.
I'm curious as to why she never mentions EMDR therapy, which has helped countless PTSD sufferers. Are they trying to push this pharmaceutical? I'm also curious about those who suffer with Complex PTSD, since it's mostly an emotional response (emotional flashback) and not so much the traditional symptoms that, for example, war veterans deal with.
Isn’t it called “Inception”? (Leo Di Caprio Movie)
Inception wasn't about memories but about ideas, and not about removing ideas but adding them
More like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind
This will be used the the military.
Me : I can't express my emotions in words
My friends: What's the point of your education then
すごい!
so if you see someone looking for cover in fear after seeng you playing tetris this is one of her clients. i'd be impressed if in the end of the lecture the lecturer pet a wasp
nice speech
Here we bring you the prequel of the game called "Remember Me"
Just reading the title "Can we edit memories"
Yes. Yes we can. The top intelligence agencies of this world has been doing it for many many years. There's a whole science to this... but the short answer is yes we most definitely can.
Can you use any 3d game instead of Tetris?
The stuff of nightmares. Someone call Charlie Brooker.
13:16
Constantly trying to CONTROL someone....