It’ blows my mind that there are so little views of the videos that have come out in the last few weeks. I get excited when I see that Adam West has uploaded a video. I’m so grateful for you Mr. West. You make philosophy a lot easier to understand than any other philosophy videos I’ve seen on TH-cam. I’m a 9th grade drop out so my education stopped long ago. At the age of 29 I was introduced to Alan Watts and the world oh philosophy exploded open for me. Thank you for being the best channel to have fun learning philosophy with. Keep up the awesome work my friend!
I say your life your choice. No matter what people think of it , you are still in full control of your life. And some people cannot stand it. They want to control everything and everybody. Its my life , my game , im the protagonist in my head , i decide what happens, i decide what i believe in, i decide whats right and whats wrong. Why do i think that? Simple. Because to be born is not a decision . It is an involuntary act. If i could read the terms and conditions before, then we could talk about, if i own my life to society.
But you at one moment are not the same person as you at another moment? I have been in a rough place before, and I'm very grateful to have made it through that and to still be here. Does my past self really have the right to control my life now? Is that moral? In the same way, perhaps it's not moral for me to ask my past self to endure suffering so that I can enjoy my life today. It's not just society. The whole idea of 'making a decision' about whether to be born or not or to live or not doesn't make sense. It assumes that you are an unchanging entity. It's not possible to just decide something for yourself, because it always ropes in your past and future selves as well
'Suicide is death caused by injuring oneself with the intent to die.' Indirectly causing one's death wouldn't qualify under my definition of the word. Getting crucified, going in a battle or getting one self condemned to death, ... Have other designated words for them.
thank you so much for this video! I'm writing a paper about this topic for university and this video has been of great help to get insight on the whole discussion. Is there a way to get to the sources you used?
This being thing after suicide stuff... its really weird. Well, conclusion then, even such famous thinkers could have weird thoughts. Time to think deeper about what my thoughts are weird.
The only problem I see with suicide is that it puts the people around you into a turmoil. Especially the closest of them: Children, etc. Other than this, sure, suicide looks to me a reasonable and moral choice when life becomes more significantly suffering than fun, more despair than hope. And yes, I admit, I am an atheist.
If suicide puts those around you in turmoil, why don't they join you in suicide then, they won't be in turmoil anymore. This to me is all excuses, suicide is considered "wrong" by most people because people are afraid to DIE, it's all FEAR.
@@jessicaF61985It's fear of suffering over fear of death, they don't want their loved one to be gone, it will cause them to mourne and suffer emotionally, and that would potentially put them in the same position optionally, to suffer emotionally or go through the possible physical suffering that leads to death and pass on the emotional suffering to the loved ones you leave behind and potentially put them in the same dilema. Fear of suffering is the root of almost all other fears. Maybe some people are jealous they transcended the fear of possible physical suffering that leads to death, but other people are genuinely empathetic to the suffering of both the individual and the loved ones they leave behind and wish they could have done something to help.
I very thankful that I didn't commit suicide. Kant's take clearly comes from a man who never felt the need to leave his home town, who was very likely Asexual and who had an active social life.
Facilitating your own death in the name of a cause is not suicide though its martyrdom or sacrificing yourself these things have different names for a reason that like redefining all killing as murder so you can say murder is necessary sometimes when in reality thats why theyre separate words in the first place. In other words "suicide " doesn't include all types of giving up your life it naturally precludes a lot of things.
I mean... choosing one moral act it ALWAYS forbids you to do another. If you lets say become a good doctor then you won't be a good vet. Every ever animal saved by you is sacrificed in a moment of choosing to become a doctor. I don't get why people so adore Kant. He was kinda dumb.
The reason we don't like suicide is for the same reason we don't like when someone gives up in a game. The implied premise of our existence is that it sucks, so if you complain or quit (suicide) you either haven't understood this premise or you think that your suffering is worse than everyone else's. To think that your suffering is the worst is the biggest sin you can make. This makes more sense in a judeo-christian culture than others, for sure.
@@elhamhussainemy5116 That's a bit deeper question than this format allows, so I will refrain from answer that question, if you allow. A "game" can be thought of as a metaphor for something. Many games, for example, are metaphors for war ( i.e. chess). Likewise, we can use a "game" as a metaphor for life. The metaphor in my case being a set of rules you have to abide by (natural, cultural) and a goal or exit which can either be death or rebirth or some form of immortality (biological offspring, heroic legacy, intellectual legacy etc)
Kant? Any existentialists insights into suicide? Suicide as being brace and courageous? To paraphrase Camus, it's an admission one doesn't understand life. Running from existence isn't brave, it's merely transferring ones pain onto others An no suicide is what one assumes it is, existential realities one cannot shoulder. So it is sad and ignoble
Some people are jealous of the individual for transcending the fear of the possible physical suffering that leads to death. The individual may not be in any state to think about those left behind because extreme emotional suffering, just like physical suffering, makes it difficult to focus on anything else, Imagine trying to think about anything else while someone was sawing part of your body off without anaesthetic. The individual may on the other hand after much contemplation genuinely think their loved ones or the world would be better off without them, and so bravely face the possible physical suffering they may feel in ending their life for the sake of others.
we should start be defining suicide. I mean, most people commit suicide, only that a slow and agonizing one: eat like shit, live like shit, with a completly lack of balance and peace of mind, in constant conflict with everything and everyone around them, to finally get cancer or a heart desease. Aint that a poetic suicide, in name of everything that is wrong with the world? Because, anyone who reads A LITTLE and investigates A LITTLE knows that junk food, stress and violence are root for a lot of deseases. Being uninformed in hte era of technologies is no more than A CHOICE. Then: you are commiting suicide if you live in automatic pilot.
God wanted Jesus to feel what it was like to be human. He got his own power through God. He did not want to meet this fate but was forced to by God and the Romans.
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It’ blows my mind that there are so little views of the videos that have come out in the last few weeks. I get excited when I see that Adam West has uploaded a video. I’m so grateful for you Mr. West. You make philosophy a lot easier to understand than any other philosophy videos I’ve seen on TH-cam. I’m a 9th grade drop out so my education stopped long ago. At the age of 29 I was introduced to Alan Watts and the world oh philosophy exploded open for me. Thank you for being the best channel to have fun learning philosophy with. Keep up the awesome work my friend!
Adam West has been posthumously podcasting about philosophy, he didnt do enough work as a vigilante xD I think his name is Stephen
@@silverdragon710 what?
@Vanta Black cringe
@@MoarteaLunii his name is Steven, not Adam
Good final point. 👍
Oh my God.. _Jesus commited suicide in the name of your sins" is the best thing I've heard all week.
how come? perhaps I grew up with one too many church visits but it seemed to me to be always pretty much portrayed that way
I say your life your choice. No matter what people think of it , you are still in full control of your life. And some people cannot stand it. They want to control everything and everybody. Its my life , my game , im the protagonist in my head , i decide what happens, i decide what i believe in, i decide whats right and whats wrong.
Why do i think that? Simple.
Because to be born is not a decision . It is an involuntary act.
If i could read the terms and conditions before, then we could talk about, if i own my life to society.
But you at one moment are not the same person as you at another moment? I have been in a rough place before, and I'm very grateful to have made it through that and to still be here. Does my past self really have the right to control my life now? Is that moral? In the same way, perhaps it's not moral for me to ask my past self to endure suffering so that I can enjoy my life today.
It's not just society. The whole idea of 'making a decision' about whether to be born or not or to live or not doesn't make sense. It assumes that you are an unchanging entity. It's not possible to just decide something for yourself, because it always ropes in your past and future selves as well
Making my way through this whole podcast, love your style!
Absolutely cracking up at that final line. I love this show so much
In the 10 commandment is not written Thou shalt not kill, rather: Thou shalt not murder! A striking difference! 17:20
Thou shalt not murder [ones brother in faith]*
It's even more limiting...
Thank You Adam West for making philosophy a lot easier to understand than most professors! (Yeah, I said it.)
Kant should have got out more :)
'Suicide is death caused by injuring oneself with the intent to die.'
Indirectly causing one's death wouldn't qualify under my definition of the word. Getting crucified, going in a battle or getting one self condemned to death, ... Have other designated words for them.
Lol.. where is the Kant part?..
By the way, if jesus had summoned an army of unicorns to defend him, i would definitly be a christian.
thank you so much for this video! I'm writing a paper about this topic for university and this video has been of great help to get insight on the whole discussion.
Is there a way to get to the sources you used?
This being thing after suicide stuff... its really weird. Well, conclusion then, even such famous thinkers could have weird thoughts. Time to think deeper about what my thoughts are weird.
So when does he start talking about Kant?
around 30 mins in
The only problem I see with suicide is that it puts the people around you into a turmoil. Especially the closest of them: Children, etc. Other than this, sure, suicide looks to me a reasonable and moral choice when life becomes more significantly suffering than fun, more despair than hope. And yes, I admit, I am an atheist.
If suicide puts those around you in turmoil, why don't they join you in suicide then, they won't be in turmoil anymore. This to me is all excuses, suicide is considered "wrong" by most people because people are afraid to DIE, it's all FEAR.
@@jessicaF61985It's fear of suffering over fear of death, they don't want their loved one to be gone, it will cause them to mourne and suffer emotionally, and that would potentially put them in the same position optionally, to suffer emotionally or go through the possible physical suffering that leads to death and pass on the emotional suffering to the loved ones you leave behind and potentially put them in the same dilema. Fear of suffering is the root of almost all other fears.
Maybe some people are jealous they transcended the fear of possible physical suffering that leads to death, but other people are genuinely empathetic to the suffering of both the individual and the loved ones they leave behind and wish they could have done something to help.
I very thankful that I didn't commit suicide. Kant's take clearly comes from a man who never felt the need to leave his home town, who was very likely Asexual and who had an active social life.
Facilitating your own death in the name of a cause is not suicide though its martyrdom or sacrificing yourself these things have different names for a reason that like redefining all killing as murder so you can say murder is necessary sometimes when in reality thats why theyre separate words in the first place. In other words "suicide " doesn't include all types of giving up your life it naturally precludes a lot of things.
Skip to 29:40 if you want to hear about Kant's take. VERY misleading title.
Didn't know that I'm even the owner of my body 🤣
I holdout the option to be or not to be.
Some goes at war which is pure suicide! its in a wayasisted suicide..thus you cant say suicide is absolutely wrong
So if my character is so far gone I get a free pass
I mean... choosing one moral act it ALWAYS forbids you to do another. If you lets say become a good doctor then you won't be a good vet. Every ever animal saved by you is sacrificed in a moment of choosing to become a doctor.
I don't get why people so adore Kant. He was kinda dumb.
Suicide is not the same as non-escaping death. So I disagree with Jesus and Socrates examples, they didn't commit suicide, they were killed.
19:00
The reason we don't like suicide is for the same reason we don't like when someone gives up in a game. The implied premise of our existence is that it sucks, so if you complain or quit (suicide) you either haven't understood this premise or you think that your suffering is worse than everyone else's. To think that your suffering is the worst is the biggest sin you can make. This makes more sense in a judeo-christian culture than others, for sure.
But don't you voluntarily participate in a game? Is it the same case when you are born into this world?
@@elhamhussainemy5116 That's a bit deeper question than this format allows, so I will refrain from answer that question, if you allow.
A "game" can be thought of as a metaphor for something. Many games, for example, are metaphors for war ( i.e. chess). Likewise, we can use a "game" as a metaphor for life. The metaphor in my case being a set of rules you have to abide by (natural, cultural) and a goal or exit which can either be death or rebirth or some form of immortality (biological offspring, heroic legacy, intellectual legacy etc)
I do not agree with this because some people are born into a beautiful existence while some are born straight into a suffering.
If you thought you would be the next hitler one day, and chose to end your own life to stop the suffering of others, you can't say that's wrong.
Kant?
Any existentialists insights into suicide?
Suicide as being brace and courageous? To paraphrase Camus, it's an admission one doesn't understand life.
Running from existence isn't brave, it's merely transferring ones pain onto others
An no suicide is what one assumes it is, existential realities one cannot shoulder. So it is sad and ignoble
Some people are jealous of the individual for transcending the fear of the possible physical suffering that leads to death.
The individual may not be in any state to think about those left behind because extreme emotional suffering, just like physical suffering, makes it difficult to focus on anything else, Imagine trying to think about anything else while someone was sawing part of your body off without anaesthetic.
The individual may on the other hand after much contemplation genuinely think their loved ones or the world would be better off without them, and so bravely face the possible physical suffering they may feel in ending their life for the sake of others.
Christ committed suicide? Interesting
too bad these are just surface level takes on his ethics. It would be nice to get into The Critique instead of dumb trolley questions.
Socrates ... a "noble" suicide ... at 70???
Uh ... no ... not for the beauty of philosophy! Weltschmerz, yes ....(You are too young to understand....)
we should start be defining suicide. I mean, most people commit suicide, only that a slow and agonizing one: eat like shit, live like shit, with a completly lack of balance and peace of mind, in constant conflict with everything and everyone around them, to finally get cancer or a heart desease. Aint that a poetic suicide, in name of everything that is wrong with the world? Because, anyone who reads A LITTLE and investigates A LITTLE knows that junk food, stress and violence are root for a lot of deseases. Being uninformed in hte era of technologies is no more than A CHOICE. Then: you are commiting suicide if you live in automatic pilot.
You're a cutie ❤
God wanted Jesus to feel what it was like to be human. He got his own power through God. He did not want to meet this fate but was forced to by God and the Romans.
So... were Romans gods also? 🤔
They sold me the take 'God controls everything'. I didn't buy it... but at least it was cohesive!