Episode 170 ... Albert Camus - The Fall
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after listening to his versions of the classics it’s made me realize how much of our free will we have lost to the institutions influencing our thinking in todays world. I mean, humanity has always seen cycles of trauma making it easy for people to be sheep, so I have much respect for these great thinkers that have actually moved the needle to help empower us. These are once in a lifetime minds, that’s for sure.
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This concept hits too close to home, I feel like I have adopted personas my whole life to avoid real judgement of my actual authentic essense, and recently I have been put into many situations that test my value systems and always ended up not doing the thing I thought I would do. Causing some cognitive dissonance. This episode really made me reflect.
Wow thanks for sharing! I definitely used some of his strategies but for some reason I was always self aware and I was able to see what I was doing immediately.
I kind of feel that too sometimes. I think being a latch key kid growing up (spending several hours a day at home alone), and now working from home (also spending several hours a day home alone), you have plenty of time to develop this persona that has no outside judgement. No one to look at you and go, wow, you really going to eat that cupcake for lunch? Or whatnot. We then go to soccer practice or something with other adults and you store that away, and just “act like everyone else”.
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To me, in reading The Fall shortly after going through The Plague for the second time, Jean-Baptiste's true lesson was that if everyone is guilty, then your only options are to become judge-penitent, and judge everyone else guilty, miring yourself further in guilt, or to forgive everyone, including yourself.
Jean Baptiste closes the book by saying he hopes that one day when he finds the drowning woman again, he lets her drown all over again, because he *is* guilty, and he is guilt. The antithesis of a judge penitent would know that they have fallen, know that they might fall again, but still face the new day as themselves, not as a shadow of someone they were once.
The Stranger denies meaning in the universe, The Plague tells that while we cannot hope to become saints, we cannot let ourselves become pestilences. And The Fall acknowledges the idealism of The Plague, acknowledges that we are all Plagues, and we have to forgive ourselves and try again. The stages of Camus' writing were titled "The Absurd", "Revolt", and "Love", and The Fall was not a turn in a new direction, but a resolution to what he had already written. How else can we see love in The Fall except in its lesson that we are all the same, and as a hope, that we can love humanity despite our failures?
Sartre often demeaned Camus as an ivory tower idealist (himself, sitting in paris and justifying Stalin's death toll as necessary for the future). In the Plague, to me, Camus says yes, I do not live up to my ideal, and you do not live up to yours, but we must love ourselves, and love life, enough to try again.
I know from personal experience it's extremely difficult to be a moral atheist. It requires constant analysis and re-analysis of past actions, the analyses are rarely settled because there are always new pieces of information to factor in. It would be so much easier to be a religious person who has been spoon-fed a pre-written set of morals, do whatever I want, and apologize later to the diety (or its proxy) for the infractions. Sometimes I wish I were that type of person! It doesn't make me weak to wish that though, and I think it's unfair to describe Clemence as weak for wishing it. Life would be so much easier without any of a number of time- and energy-consuming burdens we might bear (like being politically informed, as you mentioned). But I'm pretty sure a person who self-analyzes cannot convert into someone who doesn't.
I got halfway through the novella when I was in year 10 and have never had the motivation to pick it back up. So glad this was covered. Steven, please do more Albert Camus.
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Ego protection. Virtue signalling. Echo chambers. We have so many ways to run from ourselves. To seek approval from the outside, that we cannot give ourselves on the inside. But wherever you go, there you are.
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thank you for this episode! i've just finished The Fall last night and immidiately went to youtube to try to understand it a little better. honestly i felt like this book's message was very frantic, disconnected from each other, like every scene was critizing other facet of modern life and there was no coherent way for me to grasp it all. i wanted to have a bigger message, instead of a lot of tips and examples of what not to do. and you've delivered greatly on that! thank you, your interpretation and analysis made me realize a lot of things and finally appreciate the book much more. i'll be looking forward to reading it again in the future, with the foresight from your analysis, to hopefully extract even more meaning out of it. this was a great listen and i greatly appreciate your work
Thank you so much for this lucid interpretation of a grand work of art like The Fall!!!
Will wait for a detailed description of Philosophical Suicide.
Huh. Thats a great point about people thinking they'd resist Hitler or free slaves while currently doing nothing about human trafficking. I feel challenged.
The term human trafficking has become somewhat muddied, under the law I mean. If you do decide to fight human trafficking, be mindful that some laws and organizations hurt victims and supposed victims as much or more then their sometimes nonexistent abusers.
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@@bugsbunny2944 I'm not a lawyer. I suggest you look into it. From what I hear some laws have been written braodly enough that two sex workers sharing an apartment, and splitting the rent, could be charged with trafficking each other. Hypothetically a group of sex workers who pool resources as a effort toward mutual aid, say scheduling baby sitting duties with each other, could be considered a trafficking ring. The term has an emotional charge that some have used for political benefit, often at the expense of the women they want to be seen as saving, who are often arrested and prosecuted as prostitutes regardless of extenuating circumstances or, you know, actually being sex workers.
Human trafficking .. i never met single person who got trafficked.
We dont have that where i live
@@joeshugabowski1444 I mean be careful who you donate to or support. First do no harm. Also I assure you it does happen where you live, assuming you live where other people live
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This is probably my fav Camus book. Would love it if you did First Man next.
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Man I have been following this podcast for years now and somehow didnt listen to this episode, i just finished “The Fall” and I cant express how happy i got when i saw this podcast has an episode about it!! Keep it up brother
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Just what I needed to help me understand this book. Thank you.
Yes, you can say "better than anyone else." My favorite novel. (My tears fall for Francine.) I recently memorized Coleridge's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner." I wonder if Camus knew the story of the cursed sailor and his redemption (?). The Clamence's, Jim's, Philip Carey's, Mariner's, Raskolnikov's, and Eschenbach's are some of the most intriguing characters in literature. So many parallels.
Great video and analysis. Just discovered the channel and am looking forward to working through prior videos.
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Really the only podcast I listen to. Great breakdown of a great book!
I like the way you wove the book into your Creation of Meaning series. Nicely done. A great episode and one that has me doing a lot of self evaluation. I have been affected. However, I am not boiling in my own soup yet. I think you're on to something with that phrase.
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just finished reading the fall and really enjoyed this!!! thank you!
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I prefer to be happy and judged.
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Boy, i need to start reading the Fall soon. It has been sitting gathering dust for weeks.
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That was gold. Maybe it's alcohol talking but still this was a great topic and made me think. Thanks
Perhaps instead of saying "you" say "most people" or "one", because, for example, I like being around people who do think differently from me. It is how I learn and become more open. I say this, because I also have the bad habit of saying "you" instead of "most people" or "one". That said, this is one of the few actually very good podcast out there.
Very interesting take. The French intellectuals game, I hadn't thought of, the judge pentency (?)
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Judge Penitent is giving Eminem's 8 mile verse
Exactly what I was thinking haha.
AI art is nuts...did a Samuel Beckett dancing...now it's my wallpaper
Thanks man, I just finished The Fall and was wondering if I was interpreting it correctly, your video was a perfect explanation. What else from Camus do you recommend?
Great podcast on a very difficult to understand book, Camus literary works are full of interesting philosophical concepts although they arent just shoved in your face, you must look for them and think about them.
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Uh oh this just sounds like me. Is there a DIY solution at the end of the book by any chance
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Thank you very much for this piece. I remember being rather irritated by Clement when I read the book some years ago, so I probably didn't see some of the aspects of his character that you mention.
As to the AI pic of Camus: The man was born stylish, and wouldn't appear to be eating anything in such a clumsy way. I know it can be difficult to eat pizza elegantly, but (my vision of) Camus would have managed it easily.
I just heard about the chinese room argument by John Searle and I think it's a really interesting debate in days of AI art.
Forty seconds in and both feet in. ❤
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Am I tripping or is there no audio?
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Works now
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That AI Albert Camus looks rough at 13:00
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capitalism and religion are doing their best to make slaves. If you're not fighting everyone loses. Great episode keep up the great work
What happens if the person does hold up to what they say they're capable of. Or if they are right?
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Every man indeed does have the innate tendency to sin. And, let us not forget that man also has the tendency to not sin. This is the fundamental realization of free will.
We must not exaggerate our abilities or what we may do in a hypothetical situation, least we become hypocrites. Therefore, honest self awareness is imperative.
Keep in mind to not be too hard on yourselves. You very well may jeopardize your own life, in futility, while trying to save another person. So it is wise to look for alternative solutions.
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I wonder how camus feels after knowing that his philosophical take in his myth of sisyphus has been transformed and solidified into modern meme culture
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Not a drinker here. Can you explain to me the importance of Jean drinking Gin?
"On Paper People."
Great video. But how does Clement become a moral person? Just say all his actions are helpful to the vulnerable but his motivations are not good as described by Camus, what does one do to change their motivations? In this case, think really hard that they want to only be motivated by the desire to help the vulnerable?
Amazing
Okay so not want the super system or be better than the rest but then that in itself is done because you consider it good, you are always doing what best pleases you.
Oh damn… Didn’t know my drink of choice was a gutter spirit. Anyone know Jolene by Ray LaMontagne? Makes me think of that